In the old days, you had a bunch of cards you wanted to keep, so you could replace the motherboard/RAM and swap the cards across. Today, you swap the motherboard/RAM, and there's nothing else left, so yes, now it's definitely new PC time. :)
On 08-03-20 09:10, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I used to keep some cards a long time ago, but often I'd sell older
parts when I'd upgrade. I've never been too much of a hoarder, even
with computer parts. However I used to have a stash of things like screws, misc. cables, misc. little tools for various jobs, etc.. I finally donated that stuff to a Goodwill after deciding I probably
didn't need most of it for not having used any of it in years. :P
Much of that stuff was fairly old and I probably didn't really need it anyway. There was some fairly old stuff I had, like a special tool I
had bought around 2005 or 2006 that someone had made just for getting
into a section of a Mac Mini from around that time (right after Apple transitioned to Intel), I think to make it easier to get the hard drive out in order to replace it. And I had various other old things like a couple of CD audio cables that PCs used to use between the CD-ROM drive and sound card, old SATA cables (for SATA 1.5GB/s), etc..
On 08-03-20 09:10, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I used to keep some cards a long time ago, but often I'd sell older parts when I'd upgrade. I've never been too much of a hoarder, even with computer parts. However I used to have a stash of things like screws, misc. cables, misc. little tools for various jobs, etc.. I finally donated that stuff to a Goodwill after deciding I probably
I tended to keep old cards, because I had a habit of recycling them into a second PC, or using thmto fix someone else's PC. But those days are long pa and when I can, I need to load up the trailer and take it all down to the e-waste recycling yard. now that it's obsolete. :)
didn't need most of it for not having used any of it in years. :P
Much of that stuff was fairly old and I probably didn't really need it anyway. There was some fairly old stuff I had, like a special tool I had bought around 2005 or 2006 that someone had made just for getting into a section of a Mac Mini from around that time (right after Apple transitioned to Intel), I think to make it easier to get the hard drive out in order to replace it. And I had various other old things like a couple of CD audio cables that PCs used to use between the CD-ROM drive and sound card, old SATA cables (for SATA 1.5GB/s), etc..
Some of those can be useful.
... There's always one more bug.
I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for light duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other single board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of power
On 08-04-20 10:49, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for
light duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or
other single board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a
considerable level of power compared to an ARM cpu. I have a pc set up
as a print and scan station, and I can probably do everything I need it
to do on an sbc, plus act as network at tached storage.
On 08-04-20 15:46, Underminer wrote to Moondog <=-
I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty
of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing
Re: Re: Building PCs
By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 04 2020 10:49 am
I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for li duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other sing board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of po
Yeah, power usage increased like crazy after the pentiums. I was looking the ing power, when the old processors were like 5W and it was just the monitors
I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level ades of existing toolchain. I know there's options like the Atom, but that's
I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has real parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even the R-PI2B+ runs rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've put on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to it.
On 08-05-20 01:48, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I
love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with proper tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream. ---
Underminer wrote to Moondog <=-
Re: Re: Building PCs
By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 04 2020 10:49 am
I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for light duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other single board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of power
Yeah, power usage increased like crazy after the pentiums. I was
looking the other day at the comparative TDP of older processors like
the 8088 through 80486, and then the absolute spike shortly thereafter. These days we think a 60W TDP on an x86 is sipping power, when the old processors were like 5W and it was just the monitors and hard drives
that slurped it back.
I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty
of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing
toolchain. I know there's options like the Atom, but that's really
pretty much limited to USB and more modern OSes, and options like the
NuXT are just really pricey for what they are. ---
Underminer
On 08-05-20 01:48, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with prope tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream. ---
Yes, a low powered, afforable X86 system with reasonable performance
would be nice. Surely it's possible by applying today's energy
efficient architectures to a simpler CPU at a slightly lower clock
speed. Maybe it's really an issue of market demand now, especially with ARM so strong in that end of the market now, and with ARM running Linux
or Android, x86 compatibility isn't exactly a priority.
On 08-04-20 15:46, Underminer wrote to Moondog <=-
I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing
I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has rea parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even the R-PI2B+ ru rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've put on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to it.
This is what Linux has to say. :)
repeater@stn639:~/custom/rebel$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 5
model : 10
model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS
stepping : 2
microcode : 0x8b
cpu MHz : 498.131
cache size : 128 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu de pse tsc msr cx8 sep pge cmov clflush mmx mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips : 996.26
clflush size : 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:
Here's the Banana Pi that the BBSs run on for comparison (note the bogomips)
root@lemaker:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
processor : 0
BogoMIPS : 1431.55
processor : 1
BogoMIPS : 1436.46
Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiv idivt
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xc07
CPU revision : 4
Hardware : sun7i
Revision : 0000
Serial : 0800f1e0555248488075868516516619
And finally, the desktop that is taking over a lot of the radio stuff...
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 15
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
stepping : 11
microcode : 0xba
cpu MHz : 1600.000
cache size : 4096 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 4
core id : 0
cpu cores : 4
apicid : 0
initial apicid : 0
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 10
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca c pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monit ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
bugs :
bogomips : 4800.27
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
processor : 3
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 15
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
stepping : 11
microcode : 0xba
cpu MHz : 1600.000
cache size : 4096 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 4
core id : 1
cpu cores : 4
apicid : 1
initial apicid : 1
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 10
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca c pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monit ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
bugs :
bogomips : 4800.27
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
... BEWARE - Tagline Thief is in the area...
That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with proper tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream.
Of course this is probablt widely known/thought, but I think we are in for more options in the future of single-board tinkers options. Raspberry Pi has done an awesome job over the last 5 years; and there is competition already... I think the next 5 years will bring more powerful options to the users.
Personally, I hope that Raspberry Pi does it; as I trust them and know the power of their user base. (us!)
Re: Re: Building PCs
By: Vk3jed to Underminer on Wed Aug 05 2020 03:43 pm
I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has real parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even R-PI2B+ runs rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've pu on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to i
That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my eam.
On 08-05-20 11:16, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Of course this is probablt widely known/thought, but I think we are in
for more options in the future of single-board tinkers options.
Raspberry Pi has done an awesome job over the last 5 years; and there
is competition already... I think the next 5 years will bring more powerful options to the users.
Personally, I hope that Raspberry Pi does it; as I trust them and know
the power of their user base. (us!)
On 08-05-20 15:50, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Core 2's are at least lower power than the previous P4 cpu's. I have
an AMD 5000x2 that acts as my Guitarix emulator and it's got enough
power to run it.
of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people
that refuse to get vaccinated once one is found?
Yes, that is true. :( Anti vaxxers are particularly troubling. I will probably be relatively early in the queue, when a viable vaccine is available, because of my emergency service connection. And I suspect it would be mandatory for me to be vaccinated, if I was going to continue in that role. As a volunteer, that's my choice, but unless there's documented evidence of significant risk of side effects, I'll take the vaccine anyway. Given that the probability of chronic side effects of COVID-19 is unknown, but estimated to be around 10%, I'd bet on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.
HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:06 pm
of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people
that refuse to get vaccinated once one is found?
Yes, that is true. :( Anti vaxxers are particularly troubling.
I don't see any benefits in stopping Covid-19 unless most of the population gets the vaccine.
On 08-09-20 10:26, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't see any benefits in stopping Covid-19 unless most of the population gets the vaccine. I think we are in for yet another uphill battle. Parents are refusing to get their kids vaccinated even when schools mandate it. If people refuse to wear a mask I doubt they'll get vaccinated. I'm not bothered by it because I'm not a people person. Limiting my time spent with them should keep me healthy. That's what
I'm counting on anyway.I think Cam girls are going to get bigger and better. VR is now available. Whaaawhooo!
I'm taking a glass half full approach - if I have to wear a mask, why
not make them a fashion accessory? I've had some masks produced with
my own photographic works on them for myself, and they're for sale
online to anyone who wants one. :) Should be another couple arriving anytime, and I'm also getting a mask from my strength trainer - don't
mind plugging a good service. )
percentage of US population vaccinations, 80-90% of the population *is* inoculated against most serious diseases. The areas where 20% is not
are for things like Hepatitis B and Pneumonia.
Those are US numbers. Aussies are sitting at about 95%.
Those are US numbers. Aussies are sitting at about 95%.
well also understand that usa is a lot larger with many more people than your country and other countries.
On 08-10-20 13:37, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/TBOLT
Tony,
I'm taking a glass half full approach - if I have to wear a mask, why
not make them a fashion accessory? I've had some masks produced with
my own photographic works on them for myself, and they're for sale
online to anyone who wants one. :) Should be another couple arriving anytime, and I'm also getting a mask from my strength trainer - don't
mind plugging a good service. )
I've seen a wide variety of things...on hobbies, pets, etc.
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