• Building PCs

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Monday, August 03, 2020 09:10:48
    Re: Re: Home network security
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Aug 03 2020 07:03 pm

    In the old days, you had a bunch of cards you wanted to keep, so you could replace the motherboard/RAM and swap the cards across. Today, you swap the motherboard/RAM, and there's nothing else left, so yes, now it's definitely new PC time. :)

    I used to keep some cards a long time ago, but often I'd sell older parts when I'd upgrade. I've never been too much of a hoarder, even with computer parts. However I used to have a stash of things like screws, misc. cables, misc. little tools for various jobs, etc.. I finally donated that stuff to a Goodwill after deciding I probably didn't need most of it for not having used any of it in years. :P Much of that stuff was fairly old and I probably didn't really need it anyway. There was some fairly old stuff I had, like a special tool I had bought around 2005 or 2006 that someone had made just for getting into a section of a Mac Mini from around that time (right after Apple transitioned to Intel), I think to make it easier to get the hard drive out in order to replace it. And I had various other old things like a couple of CD audio cables that PCs used to use between the CD-ROM drive and sound card, old SATA cables (for SATA 1.5GB/s), etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 20:22:00
    On 08-03-20 09:10, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I used to keep some cards a long time ago, but often I'd sell older
    parts when I'd upgrade. I've never been too much of a hoarder, even
    with computer parts. However I used to have a stash of things like screws, misc. cables, misc. little tools for various jobs, etc.. I finally donated that stuff to a Goodwill after deciding I probably

    I tended to keep old cards, because I had a habit of recycling them into a second PC, or using thmto fix someone else's PC. But those days are long past, and when I can, I need to load up the trailer and take it all down to the e-waste recycling yard. now that it's obsolete. :)

    didn't need most of it for not having used any of it in years. :P
    Much of that stuff was fairly old and I probably didn't really need it anyway. There was some fairly old stuff I had, like a special tool I
    had bought around 2005 or 2006 that someone had made just for getting
    into a section of a Mac Mini from around that time (right after Apple transitioned to Intel), I think to make it easier to get the hard drive out in order to replace it. And I had various other old things like a couple of CD audio cables that PCs used to use between the CD-ROM drive and sound card, old SATA cables (for SATA 1.5GB/s), etc..

    Some of those can be useful.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 10:49:00
    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Aug 04 2020 08:22 pm

    On 08-03-20 09:10, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I used to keep some cards a long time ago, but often I'd sell older parts when I'd upgrade. I've never been too much of a hoarder, even with computer parts. However I used to have a stash of things like screws, misc. cables, misc. little tools for various jobs, etc.. I finally donated that stuff to a Goodwill after deciding I probably

    I tended to keep old cards, because I had a habit of recycling them into a second PC, or using thmto fix someone else's PC. But those days are long pa and when I can, I need to load up the trailer and take it all down to the e-waste recycling yard. now that it's obsolete. :)

    didn't need most of it for not having used any of it in years. :P
    Much of that stuff was fairly old and I probably didn't really need it anyway. There was some fairly old stuff I had, like a special tool I had bought around 2005 or 2006 that someone had made just for getting into a section of a Mac Mini from around that time (right after Apple transitioned to Intel), I think to make it easier to get the hard drive out in order to replace it. And I had various other old things like a couple of CD audio cables that PCs used to use between the CD-ROM drive and sound card, old SATA cables (for SATA 1.5GB/s), etc..

    Some of those can be useful.


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    I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for light
    duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other single
    board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of power compared to an ARM cpu. I have a pc set up as a print and scan station, and
    I can probably do everything I need it to do on an sbc, plus act as network at tached storage.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Moondog on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 15:46:35
    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 04 2020 10:49 am

    I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for light duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other single board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of power

    Yeah, power usage increased like crazy after the pentiums. I was looking the other day at the comparative TDP of older processors like the 8088 through 80486, and then the absolute spike shortly thereafter. These days we think a 60W TDP on an x86 is sipping power, when the old processors were like 5W and it was just the monitors and hard drives that slurped it back.

    I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing toolchain. I know there's options like the Atom, but that's really pretty much limited to USB and more modern OSes, and options like the NuXT are just really pricey for what they are.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 15:25:00
    On 08-04-20 10:49, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for
    light duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or
    other single board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a
    considerable level of power compared to an ARM cpu. I have a pc set up
    as a print and scan station, and I can probably do everything I need it
    to do on an sbc, plus act as network at tached storage.

    Yes, I've run into the same issue as well. The Pi really changed the game there, and is often my first "goto" when I need another small(ish) system. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Underminer on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 15:43:00
    On 08-04-20 15:46, Underminer wrote to Moondog <=-

    I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty
    of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing

    I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has real parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even the R-PI2B+ runs rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've put on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to it.

    This is what Linux has to say. :)

    repeater@stn639:~/custom/rebel$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor : 0
    vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
    cpu family : 5
    model : 10
    model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS
    stepping : 2
    microcode : 0x8b
    cpu MHz : 498.131
    cache size : 128 KB
    fdiv_bug : no
    hlt_bug : no
    f00f_bug : no
    coma_bug : no
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 1
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu de pse tsc msr cx8 sep pge cmov clflush mmx mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
    bogomips : 996.26
    clflush size : 32
    cache_alignment : 32
    address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
    power management:

    Here's the Banana Pi that the BBSs run on for comparison (note the bogomips)

    root@lemaker:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
    Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
    processor : 0
    BogoMIPS : 1431.55

    processor : 1
    BogoMIPS : 1436.46

    Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt
    CPU implementer : 0x41
    CPU architecture: 7
    CPU variant : 0x0
    CPU part : 0xc07
    CPU revision : 4

    Hardware : sun7i
    Revision : 0000
    Serial : 0800f1e0555248488075868516516619

    And finally, the desktop that is taking over a lot of the radio stuff...

    processor : 0
    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
    cpu family : 6
    model : 15
    model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
    stepping : 11
    microcode : 0xba
    cpu MHz : 1600.000
    cache size : 4096 KB
    physical id : 0
    siblings : 4
    core id : 0
    cpu cores : 4
    apicid : 0
    initial apicid : 0
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 10
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
    bugs :
    bogomips : 4800.27
    clflush size : 64
    cache_alignment : 64
    address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
    power management:

    processor : 3
    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
    cpu family : 6
    model : 15
    model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
    stepping : 11
    microcode : 0xba
    cpu MHz : 1600.000
    cache size : 4096 KB
    physical id : 0
    siblings : 4
    core id : 1
    cpu cores : 4
    apicid : 1
    initial apicid : 1
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 10
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
    bugs :
    bogomips : 4800.27
    clflush size : 64
    cache_alignment : 64
    address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
    power management:


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Underminer on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 22:33:00
    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Underminer to Moondog on Tue Aug 04 2020 03:46 pm

    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 04 2020 10:49 am

    I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for li duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other sing board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of po

    Yeah, power usage increased like crazy after the pentiums. I was looking the ing power, when the old processors were like 5W and it was just the monitors

    I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level ades of existing toolchain. I know there's options like the Atom, but that's

    You could check industrial electronics supply sites for low power x86 systems or even discrete IO cards with a stand alone UART chip. There's a good
    chance there are fairly moidern solutions to interface with equipment that is long in the tooth in computing years but young in industrial years. A 20
    year old robot arm isn't much different than a new one, except it's software running it may be Windows 98.


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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 01:48:07
    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Vk3jed to Underminer on Wed Aug 05 2020 03:43 pm

    I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has real parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even the R-PI2B+ runs rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've put on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to it.

    That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with proper tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Underminer on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 20:14:00
    On 08-05-20 01:48, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I
    love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with proper tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream. ---

    Yes, a low powered, afforable X86 system with reasonable performance would be nice. Surely it's possible by applying today's energy efficient architectures to a simpler CPU at a slightly lower clock speed. Maybe it's really an issue of market demand now, especially with ARM so strong in that end of the market now, and with ARM running Linux or Android, x86 compatibility isn't exactly a priority.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Underminer on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 20:29:00
    Underminer wrote to Moondog <=-

    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Moondog to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 04 2020 10:49 am

    I've run into the dilemma where re-purposing some older machines for light duty being less cost effective as replacing them with Pi4 or other single board pc. A pre-Core2 Pentium 4 cpu consumes a considerable level of power

    Yeah, power usage increased like crazy after the pentiums. I was
    looking the other day at the comparative TDP of older processors like
    the 8088 through 80486, and then the absolute spike shortly thereafter. These days we think a 60W TDP on an x86 is sipping power, when the old processors were like 5W and it was just the monitors and hard drives
    that slurped it back.

    I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty
    of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing
    toolchain. I know there's options like the Atom, but that's really
    pretty much limited to USB and more modern OSes, and options like the
    NuXT are just really pricey for what they are. ---
    Underminer

    I would love that too. In fact, recently I was looking to see if such a thing existed.


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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 11:16:00
    On 08-05-20 01:48, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with prope tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream. ---

    Yes, a low powered, afforable X86 system with reasonable performance
    would be nice. Surely it's possible by applying today's energy
    efficient architectures to a simpler CPU at a slightly lower clock
    speed. Maybe it's really an issue of market demand now, especially with ARM so strong in that end of the market now, and with ARM running Linux
    or Android, x86 compatibility isn't exactly a priority.


    Of course this is probablt widely known/thought, but I think we are in for
    more options in the future of single-board tinkers options. Raspberry Pi has done an awesome job over the last 5 years; and there is competition
    already... I think the next 5 years will bring more powerful options to the users.

    Personally, I hope that Raspberry Pi does it; as I trust them and know the power of their user base. (us!)



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 15:50:00
    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Vk3jed to Underminer on Wed Aug 05 2020 03:43 pm

    On 08-04-20 15:46, Underminer wrote to Moondog <=-

    I would absolutely LOVE if we had some x86 Pi equivalent with 486-ish level performance and proper onboard uart 16550. I mean that's plenty of power for tinkering with anything terminal or serial based, still really low power, and gives you access to decades of existing

    I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has rea parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even the R-PI2B+ ru rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've put on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to it.

    This is what Linux has to say. :)

    repeater@stn639:~/custom/rebel$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor : 0
    vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
    cpu family : 5
    model : 10
    model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS
    stepping : 2
    microcode : 0x8b
    cpu MHz : 498.131
    cache size : 128 KB
    fdiv_bug : no
    hlt_bug : no
    f00f_bug : no
    coma_bug : no
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 1
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu de pse tsc msr cx8 sep pge cmov clflush mmx mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
    bogomips : 996.26
    clflush size : 32
    cache_alignment : 32
    address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
    power management:

    Here's the Banana Pi that the BBSs run on for comparison (note the bogomips)

    root@lemaker:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
    Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l)
    processor : 0
    BogoMIPS : 1431.55

    processor : 1
    BogoMIPS : 1436.46

    Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiv idivt
    CPU implementer : 0x41
    CPU architecture: 7
    CPU variant : 0x0
    CPU part : 0xc07
    CPU revision : 4

    Hardware : sun7i
    Revision : 0000
    Serial : 0800f1e0555248488075868516516619

    And finally, the desktop that is taking over a lot of the radio stuff...

    processor : 0
    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
    cpu family : 6
    model : 15
    model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
    stepping : 11
    microcode : 0xba
    cpu MHz : 1600.000
    cache size : 4096 KB
    physical id : 0
    siblings : 4
    core id : 0
    cpu cores : 4
    apicid : 0
    initial apicid : 0
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 10
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca c pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monit ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
    bugs :
    bogomips : 4800.27
    clflush size : 64
    cache_alignment : 64
    address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
    power management:

    processor : 3
    vendor_id : GenuineIntel
    cpu family : 6
    model : 15
    model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
    stepping : 11
    microcode : 0xba
    cpu MHz : 1600.000
    cache size : 4096 KB
    physical id : 0
    siblings : 4
    core id : 1
    cpu cores : 4
    apicid : 1
    initial apicid : 1
    fpu : yes
    fpu_exception : yes
    cpuid level : 10
    wp : yes
    flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca c pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monit ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
    bugs :
    bogomips : 4800.27
    clflush size : 64
    cache_alignment : 64
    address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
    power management:


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    Core 2's are at least lower power than the previous P4 cpu's. I have an AMD 5000x2 that acts as my Guitarix emulator and it's got enough power to run it.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Underminer on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 16:27:45
    On 8/5/2020 12:48 AM, Underminer wrote:
    That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my Pis for what they are, I just think it would be nice to have something comparable in performance and consumption in x86 with proper tinker/tweaker IO. *Shrugs* might be a pipe dream.

    There are some AIB from Intel and AMD that are x86 and under 60W at max
    load, with ~10-15W at typical load. But they are much more powerful and pricey than a Pi, and often more than a desktop system.

    This one caught my eye... more than I'd really like to spend for an HTPC/Emulator machine.

    https://www.gearbest.com/mini-pc/pp_009162872547.html

    The pi isn't going to be able to emulate gamecube or ps3 any time soon,
    and I'd like to expand my emulation collection beyond the 80's at this
    point.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to paulie420 on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 16:36:04
    On 8/5/2020 4:16 AM, paulie420 wrote:

    Of course this is probablt widely known/thought, but I think we are in for more options in the future of single-board tinkers options. Raspberry Pi has done an awesome job over the last 5 years; and there is competition already... I think the next 5 years will bring more powerful options to the users.

    Personally, I hope that Raspberry Pi does it; as I trust them and know the power of their user base. (us!)

    I'm not sure any upstart will really be able to pull away from RPi.
    Every one I've tried has maybe been a bit more powerful, but in the end
    poorly supported and an also-ran compared to the RPi.

    I may reach for an RPi, or a docker container when I need to run
    something extra, it just depends.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Underminer on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 15:54:00
    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Underminer to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 05 2020 01:48 am

    Re: Re: Building PCs
    By: Vk3jed to Underminer on Wed Aug 05 2020 03:43 pm

    I'd prefer a bit more processing power. One of my machines is a 500 MHz AMD Geode based board. It's a low power board that runs off 12V DC (but has real parallel and serial ports), but in terms of performance, even R-PI2B+ runs rings around it, and it barely copes with the load I've pu on the system. I've offloaded as much as I can to the desktop next to i

    That's quite the impressive difference. Also, don't get me wrong, I love my eam.

    Ameridroid's site had some boards they called the Atomic Pi, which really is the board that they bought off another company that abandoned a robotics project. It's an Atom based system, and is probably close to a desktop from the middle of the last decade. IIRC they were $35 and needed a power adapter that was fairly inexpensive.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to paulie420 on Thursday, August 06, 2020 19:27:00
    On 08-05-20 11:16, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Of course this is probablt widely known/thought, but I think we are in
    for more options in the future of single-board tinkers options.
    Raspberry Pi has done an awesome job over the last 5 years; and there
    is competition already... I think the next 5 years will bring more powerful options to the users.

    History has shown there is a market for it, so we will definitely see more of these sorts of boards.

    Personally, I hope that Raspberry Pi does it; as I trust them and know
    the power of their user base. (us!)

    The Raspberry Pi certainly has a good following, even though some of the other boards have been more powerful (e.g. Banana Pi) for the same generation. For example, while the R-Pi was struggling with throughput because of its USB based I/O, the Banana Pi had a 1Gbps Etherne port.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Thursday, August 06, 2020 19:30:00
    On 08-05-20 15:50, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Core 2's are at least lower power than the previous P4 cpu's. I have
    an AMD 5000x2 that acts as my Guitarix emulator and it's got enough
    power to run it.

    Hmm, you went a little out of context. And I'm not familiar with the rest. :)


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 09, 2020 10:26:47
    Re: Re: Home network security
    By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:06 pm

    of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people
    that refuse to get vaccinated once one is found?

    Yes, that is true. :( Anti vaxxers are particularly troubling. I will probably be relatively early in the queue, when a viable vaccine is available, because of my emergency service connection. And I suspect it would be mandatory for me to be vaccinated, if I was going to continue in that role. As a volunteer, that's my choice, but unless there's documented evidence of significant risk of side effects, I'll take the vaccine anyway. Given that the probability of chronic side effects of COVID-19 is unknown, but estimated to be around 10%, I'd bet on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.

    I don't see any benefits in stopping Covid-19 unless most of the population gets the vaccine. I think we are in for yet another uphill battle. Parents are refusing to get their kids vaccinated even when schools mandate it. If people refuse to wear a mask I doubt they'll get vaccinated. I'm not bothered by it because I'm not a people person. Limiting my time spent with them should keep me healthy. That's what I'm counting on anyway.I think Cam girls are going to get bigger and better. VR is now available. Whaaawhooo!

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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to HusTler on Sunday, August 09, 2020 19:46:00
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    Re: Re: Home network security
    By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:06 pm

    of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people
    that refuse to get vaccinated once one is found?

    Yes, that is true. :( Anti vaxxers are particularly troubling.

    I don't see any benefits in stopping Covid-19 unless most of the population gets the vaccine.

    First of all, hi, relatively new (well.. back but it's been so long so
    as not to count.

    I have always kinda felt like the "anti-vaxxer" argument against pushing
    for a vaccine is something of a false flag. Looking at numbers the
    percentage of US population vaccinations, 80-90% of the population *is* inoculated against most serious diseases. The areas where 20% is not
    are for things like Hepatitis B and Pneumonia.

    Those are US numbers. Aussies are sitting at about 95%.

    Sadly the media has done a bang-up job trying to make screw-tops and
    foil hat types look like the mainstream when it comes to resistance to vaccines. Government types do one better by trying to make things scary
    by grouping numbers or fudging time-lines.

    So-called "herd immunity" doesn't require 100% vaccinations. Sure, the
    higher the percentage the better but it does not have to be absolute.

    My opinion - there's a lot of idiots out there but not enough to make
    a vaccine or personal protections irrelevant.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to HusTler on Monday, August 10, 2020 16:18:00
    On 08-09-20 10:26, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I don't see any benefits in stopping Covid-19 unless most of the population gets the vaccine. I think we are in for yet another uphill battle. Parents are refusing to get their kids vaccinated even when schools mandate it. If people refuse to wear a mask I doubt they'll get vaccinated. I'm not bothered by it because I'm not a people person. Limiting my time spent with them should keep me healthy. That's what
    I'm counting on anyway.I think Cam girls are going to get bigger and better. VR is now available. Whaaawhooo!

    Things seem to be a bit better here. There's a few so called "civil rights" and "soverign citizens" in the big cities, but the cops take a dim view of that and will hit them with a hefty fine or even a summons to the magistrates court.
    Because we're now in a state of disadter, the cops to legitimately have extra powers during the pandemic.

    I'm taking a glass half full approach - if I have to wear a mask, why not make them a fashion accessory? I've had some masks produced with my own photographic works on them for myself, and they're for sale online to anyone who wants one. :) Should be another couple arriving anytime, and I'm also getting a mask from my strength trainer - don't mind plugging a good service.
    )


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to Vk3jed on Monday, August 10, 2020 13:37:00
    Tony,

    I'm taking a glass half full approach - if I have to wear a mask, why
    not make them a fashion accessory? I've had some masks produced with
    my own photographic works on them for myself, and they're for sale
    online to anyone who wants one. :) Should be another couple arriving anytime, and I'm also getting a mask from my strength trainer - don't
    mind plugging a good service. )

    I've seen a wide variety of things...on hobbies, pets, etc.

    Daryl

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hatton on Monday, August 10, 2020 20:35:07
    Re: Re: Covid Vaccine
    By: Hatton to HusTler on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:46 pm

    percentage of US population vaccinations, 80-90% of the population *is* inoculated against most serious diseases. The areas where 20% is not
    are for things like Hepatitis B and Pneumonia.

    Those are US numbers. Aussies are sitting at about 95%.


    well also understand that usa is a lot larger with many more people than your country and other countries.

    i see people compairing the usa to norway, sweden, finland and other countries. it's apples and oranges. almost everything is different.
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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to MRO on Tuesday, August 11, 2020 02:57:47
    Re: Re: Covid Vaccine
    By: MRO to Hatton on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:35 pm

    Those are US numbers. Aussies are sitting at about 95%.

    well also understand that usa is a lot larger with many more people than your country and other countries.

    Oh that I completely understand and my comparison between US and Australia was only because of the VK reference ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 17:29:00
    On 08-10-20 13:37, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
    Tony,

    I'm taking a glass half full approach - if I have to wear a mask, why
    not make them a fashion accessory? I've had some masks produced with
    my own photographic works on them for myself, and they're for sale
    online to anyone who wants one. :) Should be another couple arriving anytime, and I'm also getting a mask from my strength trainer - don't
    mind plugging a good service. )

    I've seen a wide variety of things...on hobbies, pets, etc.

    Yes, I figured why not have a bit of fun and self expression with masks, if we have to wear them. :)


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