So I agree that a lot of people are careless, the vast majority in fact. They expect theses device to be like appliances that you just plug and forget about it. The industry has to step up.
I'm not sure how much of it is the industry's responsibility. People should be responsible in knowing how to use their stuff too. Computer technology has been around for a long time now..
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Tue Jul 28 2020 03:06 pm
So I agree that a lot of people are careless, the vast majority in fact. They
expect theses device to be like appliances that you just plug and forget abou
it. The industry has to step up.
I'm not sure how much of it is the industry's responsibility. People should be
responsible in knowing how to use their stuff too. Computer technology has been
around for a long time now..
Nightfox
If as a user you use a password like "123456" then that's the user problem
When you have an hard coded master password in you device readable in
the firmware, you should bare some responsibility. Especially if the
user has no possibility to change it.
You can't expect every user to audit a device and check the firmware
code to decide if your buying it or not. And it's not something obtainable before purchase and it's not even accessible after.
should be responsible in knowing how to use their stuff too. Computer technology has been around for a long time now..
If a device has a hard-coded password that can't be changed, then I'd agree that's a flaw in the device and should be fixed. I have yet to see a device like that, though I haven't worked with any webcams myself.. I've
Yup. Computers have been in the home longer than modern automobiles had been in the 60s. The fact people still think of these things as "New" technology is astounding.
It gets serious stupid really fast. My boss once told me to secure
some assets so I pseudo-full-disk-encrypt the computer in which they
were stored, put a lock on the door of the room, that sort of thing. I
told the boss that for the thing to be remotely secure, it was
absoultely essential to follow thes esecurity practices:
The encryption system is fully transparent and the only difference
between it and a regular operatin system is you have to input a
passphrase when powering up.
Boss answer was: "If I can't leave the computer unatended this is
rubbish. I need something that is simple to use".
I think he was expecting me to install some magic on the comptuer that would magically make it secure and GDPR compliant without any effort
from the system user.
Re: Home network security
By: Nightfox to Ennev on Tue Jul 28 2020 10:45 pm
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Tue Jul 28 2020 03:06 pm
So I agree that a lot of people are careless, the vast majority in f expect theses device to be like appliances that you just plug and f it. The industry has to step up.
I'm not sure how much of it is the industry's responsibility. People sho responsible in knowing how to use their stuff too. Computer technology h around for a long time now..
Nightfox
The trend is to make the service provider responsible. MOst users think IT i magic. You sacrifice a chicken and stuff works, no need to know what the dem doing in the background.
It gets serious stupid really fast. My boss once told me to secure some asse pseudo-full-disk-encrypt the computer in which they were stored, put a lock door of the room, that sort of thing. I told the boss that for the thing to remotely secure, it was absoultely essential to follow thes esecurity practi
* Don't let the computer unlocked if you are not in the room.
* If you are not in the room, ensure the computer is powered off and the doo locked.
The encryption system is fully transparent and the only difference between i regular operatin system is you have to input a passphrase when powering up.
Boss answer was: "If I can't leave the computer unatended this is rubbish. I something that is simple to use".
I think he was expecting me to install some magic on the comptuer that would make it secure and GDPR compliant without any effort from the system user.
--
gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Jul 29 2020 07:13 am
If as a user you use a password like "123456" then that's the user prob
When you have an hard coded master password in you device readable in the firmware, you should bare some responsibility. Especially if the user has no possibility to change it.
You can't expect every user to audit a device and check the firmware code to decide if your buying it or not. And it's not something obtainable before purchase and it's not even accessible after.
If a device has a hard-coded password that can't be changed, then I'd agree rs I've used, and those at least let you change the admin password, set the
Nightfox
On 2020-07-29 12:27 p.m., Nightfox wrote:
On a home router, you can even set it up to not broadcast the SSID so
people normally won't see it when doing a scan.
That's how i'm set and no stupid WPS !!!
and what does WPS stand for ?? : "Wi-Fi Protected Setup" .... yeah
right, since 2011 it's been hacked
What I hate to hear the most is "I'm not good with computers" I used to hear that from the older generations, but no now it's people even way younger than me. I'm sorry if your under 40 ( I'm tempted to say 50)and you don't basic skills with computer you have no good excuses, computers where accessible in almost and school, junior high and colleges since
the mid 80's
On 2020-07-29 3:09 p.m., Underminer wrote:
Yup. Computers have been in the home longer than modern automobiles had been in t
60s. The fact people still think of these things as "New" technology is astoundin
What I hate to hear the most is "I'm not good with computers" I used to
hear that from the older generations, but no now it's people even way younger than me. I'm sorry if your under 40 ( I'm tempted to say 50)and
you don't basic skills with computer you have no good excuses, computers where accessible in almost and school, junior high and colleges since
the mid 80's
I don't expect you to compile a kernel but come on ....
The encryption system is fully transparent and the only difference between it and a regular operatin system is you have to input a passphrase when powering up.
Boss answer was: "If I can't leave the computer unatended this is rubbish. I need something that is simple to use".
If he wants to leave the computer on and walk away for a while, why not force the pc to go into standby after a few mintes, and then have a
password to come out of standby.
At one place I owrked at we really pushed locking workstations if we step away for more than 5 minutes. One co-wokrer would walk up to unattended machines and send emails to our superviser under the other user's accounts When my supervisor would reply back, it didn't go well for that person. I person figured my co-worker did it, he'd say something like imagine if someone send a nasty email to the CEO while you were getting coffee or got pulled into an impromptu hallway meeting? Even worse, what if someone lau d malicious code, and it appears they were the ones who sent it?
Moondog wrote to Arelor <=-
At one place I owrked at we really pushed locking workstations if we
step away for more than 5 minutes. One co-wokrer would walk up to unattended machines and send emails to our superviser under the other user's accounts.
Arelor wrote to Ennev <=-
No sorry, my job is that you have a computer that works and a platform
to upload customer data to and that sort of thing. Your job is to use
the computer. Geez :-)
I have a better one. "I don't need to know how to use a computer! That is your job!"
No sorry, my job is that you have a computer that works and a platform to upload customer data to and that sort of thing. Your job is to use the computer. Geez :-)
I left my computer unlocked once when I went to a meeting and found
out I'd sent a message entitled "Free CUPCAKES in my cube!!"
Had to explain to the entire floor my misdeed. And buy cupcakes the
next day.
I had a facilities manager who insisted that we need 11x17 MFPs in our office. We ended up getting HP MFPs that were absolute cows - they overheated and killed their hard drives, had more consumables than I
could keep track of, left smeary ink on the paper path regularly, and broke down more than they were up.
I have a better one. "I don't need to know how to use a computer! That is your job!"
If I happen to be walking by a desk with an unlocked computer I'll send a simple email saying "Ask me about leaving my desk without locking my computer" to their manager if I happen to know who that is. Sometimes I'll send it to their department group.
Often if there's time I'll paste a gif in-line, just so they know they're not in trouble, it's just to keep security in mind. That's why it's called security awareness training.
There have been times I've been caught walking away with my computer unlocked. I've come back to some funny replies to email sent from my computer...
them out, mark them up by hand, and copy them.
I figured it out when I asked him to email me a copy of the current
plan and he kept leaving hard copies on my desk.
He retired a few years later.
Nightfox wrote to Ennev <=-
If a device has a hard-coded password that can't be changed, then I'd agree that's a flaw in the device and should be fixed. I have yet to
see a device like that, though I haven't worked with any webcams
Ennev wrote to Underminer <=-i
On 2020-07-29 3:09 p.m., Underminer wrote:
Yup. Computers have been in the home longer than modern automobiles had been
n the 60s. The fact people still think of these things as "New"
technology is astounding.
What I hate to hear the most is "I'm not good with computers" I used to hear that from the older generations, but no now it's people even way younger than me. I'm sorry if your under 40 ( I'm tempted to say 50)and you don't basic skills with computer you have no good excuses,
computers where accessible in almost and school, junior high and
colleges since the mid 80's
I don't expect you to compile a kernel but come on ....
There have been times I've been caught walking away with my computer
unlocked. I've come back to some funny replies to email sent from my
computer...
sounds like you work at a weird place. we dont do that at my company.
we had a guy who'd been at the company for 50 years. he could NOT help himself from clicking spam links. he knew fedex doesnt have a package for him. he knew they wouldnt know his work email address and contact him. still clicked it.
twice he really fucked some stuff up and some of our stuff got crypto'd.
Re: Re: Home network security
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu Jul 30 2020 08:20 am
them out, mark them up by hand, and copy them.
I figured it out when I asked him to email me a copy of the current plan and he kept leaving hard copies on my desk.
He retired a few years later.
we had a guy who'd been at the company for 50 years. he could NOT help hims
twice he really fucked some stuff up and some of our stuff got crypto'd.
Anyways, I would expect public school to teach students the basics of these things we use every day. The history of how we got here, and how to do some basic programming. Instead, the best I've heard from a student is "yeah, we learned how to make a website in Dreamweaver".
On 07-30-20 21:30, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I've worked at 2 places now that sometimes send phishing test emails to test us to see whether we'd click on links or report it as a phishing email. They'd also have training videos to show how to spot phishing emails.
On 07-31-20 01:14, Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
It is easy to assume engineers with multipler degrees and a PE license would be generally smart across the board, however I've seen a few that would lcick on emails that said "urgent! Open right away" without
looking at the sketchy email address the he email was sent from. When
the "love letter" virus came out, I asked a high level manager how many times a vendor for industrial pumps refers to him as "sweetheart" in'
their emails. Even after we held physical meetings telling people not
to click on certain links, it would happen anyways. The reply, "ugh,
you sadi that yesterday. Today is a different day." I now understand most engineers are borderline autistic, and obvious danger signs do not register.
all with regular reports to the client and opportunity for input...
And on completion their response is "But I don't want to have to do
it that way, I want to do it (insert convoluted, likely technically impossible demand)."
And similarly, I'm a telemerketer's worst nightmare, because high pressure sales tactics are also in my large base of experience, and they more they try those tactics, the more they lose me! :D For them, trying to sell to me is like swimming in quicksand. But an honest, customer focused calesperson who listens can get a sale out of me very quickly, if they're selling what I want at the time. :)
Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
They decided on that model and I ordered one in. It turns out that it works really well until you decide to laminate the signs, then you get
a trippy tie-dye effect. She wanted to return the printer (which would have been a pain) as we were leasing it. I ended up buying them a cool laminator and everyone was happy.
Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-
A long time ago, I worked for someone who said one time one of his
clients (an older guy, I think) said "I got a computer that don't work.
Fix sumbitch."
Underminer wrote to Arelor <=-
My favourite is when you spend days or weeks trying to find or build
the simplest and most user friendly solution possible with the
available resources for a client, spend more days documenting
procedures, maintenance, and training, all with regular reports to the client and opportunity for input... And on completion their response is "But I don't want to have to do it that way, I want to do it (insert convoluted, likely technically impossible demand)." ---
Dreamer wrote to Ennev <=-
Basic hardware concepts. I teach a class called introduction to pc operating systems. It has some computer literacy, but it's pretty much crammed in amongst heavier concepts.
Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
It is easy to assume engineers with multipler degrees and a PE license would be generally smart across the board,
Re: Re: Home network security
By: MRO to Warpslide on Thu Jul 30 2020 04:45 pm
There have been times I've been caught walking away with my
computer unlocked. I've come back to some funny replies to email
sent from my computer...
sounds like you work at a weird place. we dont do that at my
company.
At the last place I worked, they had employee training for how to keep company information safe. One thing they recommended was always locking your laptop when you step away from it, even when you're in the company office, so that anyone who happened to walk by wouldn't be able to sneak onto your laptop and copy data off or do other nefarious things.
There was a guy from another team I sometimes worked with, and if I stepped away without locking my laptop, he'd often joke about getting on my laptop and sending an awkward email to the company CEO.
Re: Re: Home network security
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 30 2020 04:51 pm
we had a guy who'd been at the company for 50 years. he could NOT
help himself from clicking spam links. he knew fedex doesnt have a
package for him. he knew they wouldnt know his work email address
and contact him. still clicked it.
twice he really fucked some stuff up and some of our stuff got
crypto'd.
I've worked at 2 places now that sometimes send phishing test emails to test us to see whether we'd click on links or report it as a phishing email. They'd also have training videos to show how to spot phishing emails.
I've worked at 2 places now that sometimes send phishing test
emails to test us to see whether we'd click on links or report it
as a phishing email. They'd also have training videos to show how
to spot phishing emails.
they did that to me and i just wrote fake info in.
i wonder if it counted as a win for them.
Unsolicited telemarketing & similar things annoy me. If I want something, likely I'll find out about it and research it myself before buying. Honestl there have been times where I'd just hang up on a telemarketer because I did want to waste my time talking about buying some random thing they're selling Or if my phone says it detects a potential telemarketer or scammer, sometime I'd answer my phone in German or Portuguese (which I've studied a bit) and pretend I don't speak English and don't understand them, and they'll usually hang up.
Nightfox
Nightfox
I usually just hang up. Time is precious. I'd rather not waste mine talking to telespammers when I can be doing something more interesting, like trimming my nails or something.
I usually just hang up. Time is precious. I'd rather not waste mine
talking to telespammers when I can be doing something more
interesting, like trimming my nails or something.
just be nice because they are regular people. you are the one that probably got your number leaked anyways.
On 07-31-20 09:22, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Unsolicited telemarketing & similar things annoy me. If I want
something, likely I'll find out about it and research it myself before buying. Honestly there have been times where I'd just hang up on a telemarketer because I didn't want to waste my time talking about
On 07-31-20 08:22, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dreamer <=-
It would have been a great class in the old days, with jumpers, IRQs,
and I/O boards instead of having everything built-in to the
motherboard.
On 07-31-20 09:34, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
He claimed the University wanted it back in a week, so, armed with a
BSD/OS CD, O'Reilly's DNS and BIND book and a free weekend, I
installed a new box, learned DNS from cover to cover, set up the new
resolver, repointed all of the clients to it, added a few bells and
whistles engineering guy hadn't thought of, and turned BIND off on
the box.
He told his boss, who was unaware that this was happening and
concerned over downtime that he was sure the transition would be
alright, since Kurt "Knows at least as much as I do about DNS."
Probably the most passive-agressive non-compliment I've ever
received.
The deadline? Never happened. The box stayed on our network for
months afterwards. I knew because I was running DNS and the network.
I don't know how his network port was locked into 10 megabit,
half-duplex, I must have been (spins the BOFH excuse wheel...) a
firmware incompatibility with the network driver.
Never go passive-agressive on a sysadmin, we wrote the book - and
we'll make your packets crawl.
... Define an area as 'safe' and use it as an anchor
On 07-31-20 11:54, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
At the company I worked at, if we just clicked on the links rather than immediately report it as suspected phishing, the system would count
that as us failing the phishing test and we'd be required to watch
their phishing training video.
On 07-31-20 23:45, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
What do you mean by "got your number leaked"? There always used to be phone books with peoples' phone numbers published in them, and now
there are online versions of that. Your name and phone number are probably out there somewhere without you even doing anything.
At the company I worked at, if we just clicked on the links rather th immediately report it as suspected phishing, the system would count that as us failing the phishing test and we'd be required to watch their phishing training video.
Clever. ;)
Anyways, I would expect public school to teach students the basics of th things we use every day. The history of how we got here, and how to do s basic programming. Instead, the best I've heard from a student is "yeah, learned how to make a website in Dreamweaver".
Will be a nice future will all theses uneducated people. Promising
What do you mean by "got your number leaked"? There always used to be phone books with peoples' phone numbers published in them, and now there are online versions of that. Your name and phone number are probably out there somewhere without you even doing anything.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 07-31-20 08:22, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dreamer <=-
It would have been a great class in the old days, with jumpers, IRQs,
and I/O boards instead of having everything built-in to the
motherboard.
I miss those days. The fun was getting it all working properly, and
the satisfaction of getting a bunch of cards to peacefully coexist was immense. :)
Rampage wrote to Underminer <=-
i once had a client that was very big on backups... insisted on getting the latest (at that time) DAQ tape backup system... there were two problems, though... the first is no one in their organization changed
the tapes and the second was they refused to buy another machine to
test the restoration on... there was also kinda a third problem... they expected me to come out each day at the close of their business and do
the tape swap but they didn't want to pay for the on-site trip and
time...
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
I usually just hang up. Time is precious. I'd rather not waste mine talking to telespammers when I can be doing something more interesting, like trimming my nails or something.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah, when we had real POTS lines here, you had to be listed in the
phone book, unless you paid extra to have a silent number.
paulie420 wrote to Ennev <=-
What do you mean, its all right there in the Apple-cloud, its on my
iMac, iPhone and even my AppleTV.
I don't need to know what a folder is.
Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
It is easy to assume engineers with multipler degrees and a PE license would be generally smart across the board,
At one company I worked at, they always seemed to assume that since
they knew what they knew so well, that they knew more than IT did.
One VP of engineering only hired the best candidates from a handful
of schools, and not a one of them worked well with others.
I still remember one of them dropping in my lap a task to migrate DNS
from a SUN workstation that was loaned to us from the local
university - I think he was concerned that DNS was slowing down his
work.
He claimed the University wanted it back in a week, so, armed with a
BSD/OS CD, O'Reilly's DNS and BIND book and a free weekend, I
installed a new box, learned DNS from cover to cover, set up the new
resolver, repointed all of the clients to it, added a few bells and
whistles engineering guy hadn't thought of, and turned BIND off on
the box.
He told his boss, who was unaware that this was happening and
concerned over downtime that he was sure the transition would be
alright, since Kurt "Knows at least as much as I do about DNS."
Probably the most passive-agressive non-compliment I've ever
received.
The deadline? Never happened. The box stayed on our network for
months afterwards. I knew because I was running DNS and the network.
I don't know how his network port was locked into 10 megabit,
half-duplex, I must have been (spins the BOFH excuse wheel...) a
firmware incompatibility with the network driver.
Never go passive-agressive on a sysadmin, we wrote the book - and
we'll make your packets crawl.
in my career.
... Define an area as 'safe' and use it as an anchor
We have that set up at my work. You can choose all sorts of phishing templates that you think your users may fall for: O365 password reset
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dreamer <=-
Basic hardware concepts. I teach a class called introduction to pc operating systems. It has some computer literacy, but it's pretty much crammed in amongst heavier concepts.
One of the best summer camps I sent my (then 15 year-old ) son
to was a computer hardware camp. They learned all of the components,
and built computers from the motherboard on up, learned about
voltages, different types of memory, SATA versus SSD, and so on. Got a nice little toolkit in a vinyl zipper case.
He was able to buy a new motherboard, memory, CPU and graphics
card, and build a new system from scratch, then sell his old one to
pay for it.
It would have been a great class in the old days, with jumpers,
IRQs, and I/O boards instead of having everything built-in to the motherboard.
It would have been a great class in the old days, with jumpers,
IRQs, and I/O boards instead of having everything built-in to the
motherboard.
I miss those days. The fun was getting it all working properly, and the satisfaction of getting a bunch of cards to peacefully coexist was immense. :) Today's PCs are too easy - slap a mother board, SSD/HDD and power supply into the case, hook up a few wires and you're done - no working out what cards to put where, or set I/O and IRQ jumpers - the stuff that really demanded the technical knowledge. :)
What do you mean, its all right there in the Apple-cloud, its on my iMac, iPhone and even my AppleTV.
I don't need to know what a folder is.
What are you using for click tracking, if you don't mind me asking? I have
client offices that I should really do some compliance testing with in th
future.
That's awesome. Didn't know such a thing existed. What I would
have given to have attended that way back when. :-)
I've heard rumors to the extent that some of those shops pay by the
call, and as long as they have you on the phone for >X number of
seconds, they get paid.
Staying on the line doesn't cost them anything materially any more,
so providing incentive for their workers to find another career is
the best option.
Underminer wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 31 2020 04:29 pm
That's awesome. Didn't know such a thing existed. What I would
have given to have attended that way back when. :-)
In high school I built my own first computer to modernize from
the Atari 8-bit I inherited from my father when he moved up to
the XE line, I had this book out pretty much permanently from the
library for a couple months in order to familiarize myself with
the ins and outs of PC hardware. I remember it being a pretty
thorough resource:
https://www.amazon.ca/Build-Your-386Sx-Compatible-Bundle/dp/0830637508
That's very cool. I may have seen that book too, back around that
time frame. A lot of knowledge back in those days was gained by
trial and error, and word of mouth between like-minded folks. I
built and tinkered with a lot of hardware in that era. Great
times.
On 08-01-20 09:14, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We have that set up at my work. You can choose all sorts of phishing templates that you think your users may fall for: O365 password reset emails, Canada Post Delivery, "HR Infraction", Bank messages among many others.
One of the ones I sent out was a "Free McDonalds Breakfast" message, I
was actually surprised at the number of people who clicked on that one.
You can choose to send them all your users, or only a certain
department, whether to send them all at once or stagger them over a
period of time.
You get a dashboard to see who clicked on what & whether they reported
it as a phishing message.
On 08-01-20 09:01, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I miss those days. The fun was getting it all working properly, and
the satisfaction of getting a bunch of cards to peacefully coexist was immense. :)
Exactly!
I had serial mice from very early on - Logitech had a TSR that would
let you define mouse actions per program, so you could make a
non mouse-aware application mousable. I was hooked on making it work
with my DOS apps.
Then, I had an old Apple Laserwriter that only had serial and
Appletalk interfaces.
Add in a high-speed serial port for the modem, and a network card,
and you've got IRQ hell.
When I finally got everything working, I wrote them all down on a
piece of paper and taped it inside of the case.
You might appreciate this story:
In the early 90s, I was working at the company that made After Dark,
the screen saver. They had DOS, Windows and Mac versions at the time.
We traded for tons of software and hardware, and built up a pretty
impressive lab.
Our QA lab manager at the time was ripe for some practical joking, so
a audio engineer friend of mine went to his desk, took his sound card
setup disks, and added a stutter to the test sounds.
"Perperperperperforming iiiiiiiiiiiRQ Testttttttttttt"
So, even when he got the IRQ and port right, it sounded wrong.
We heard a stream of obscenities coming from the lab, apparently he'd
been working for hours trying to get a card working...
... Take away the elements in order of apparent non-importance
--- MultiMail/XT v0.52
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On 08-01-20 09:30, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah, when we had real POTS lines here, you had to be listed in the
phone book, unless you paid extra to have a silent number.
Paying them to do less work - genius marketing!
An April Fool's article back in the 90's reported that Hollywood was
running out of imaginary 555- numbers. The solution was to run an FX
(Foreign Exchange) service to Hollywood, where other number exchanges
could be used. There'd be a mileage charge for each imaginary number,
however. They said that the Bells had experience charging for
non-service, such as non-publish charges.
About the same time, I moved to a new house; I convinced the Pacific
Bell agent taking the order that Poindexter Fortran was my roommate
and got the number listed under "his" name.
On 08-01-20 13:24, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Occasionally I'd run into an issue where a card would have a fairly limited selection of IRQs, so you'd have to figure out if you can
shuffle IRQs on other cards so you could use all the cards together.
But I kinda miss those days too. These days, I've noticed that many PC cases don't even have any external-facing drive bays for things like internal card readers, optical drives, etc.. I still like to use
optical discs sometimes (at least for ripping music and movies), and I also like having an internal card reader in my PC to make it easier to copy photos from my camera. I suppose you could use external USB
versions of those things though.. But when building a PC these days,
as you said, you don't need to mess with I/O and IRQ settings. And one might not even be apt to put in an optical drive or a card reader, etc.
There are some other cool things you could put in a 3.5" or 5.25" drive bay, such as a readout to show CPU & system temperature, etc.. Also,
in the past, there were other things such as a front audio panel for a 5.25" drive bay that was included with the Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
sound card.
On 08-01-20 20:30, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
all you have to do is ask them to take you off their list. they are a person doing their job.
On 08-01-20 22:00, Gamgee wrote to Underminer <=-
That's very cool. I may have seen that book too, back around that
time frame. A lot of knowledge back in those days was gained by
trial and error, and word of mouth between like-minded folks. I
built and tinkered with a lot of hardware in that era. Great
times.
Re: Re: Home network security
By: paulie420 to Ennev on Sat Aug 01 2020 06:09 am
What do you mean, its all right there in the Apple-cloud, its on my i iPhone and even my AppleTV.
I don't need to know what a folder is.
If you open the photo gallery, all the places you organize photos into
are folde rs on your storage. It's not rocket science..
Nightfox
Pretty neat system. And does it record those of us who simply delete it?
Occasionally I'd run into an issue where a card would have a fairly limited
noticed that many PC cases don't even have any external-facing drive bays f al card reader in my PC to make it easier to copy photos from my camera. I ight not even be apt to put in an optical drive or a card reader, etc.
There are some other cool things you could put in a 3.5" or 5.25" drive bay, e Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS sound card.
Nightfox
2003. My original PC evolved through a series of upgrades from the XT to a low end Pentium, in stages, over the years. :)
2003. My original PC evolved through a series of upgrades from the XT to a low end Pentium, in stages, over the years. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
That's very cool. I may have seen that book too, back around that
time frame. A lot of knowledge back in those days was gained by
trial and error, and word of mouth between like-minded folks. I
built and tinkered with a lot of hardware in that era. Great
times.
They were great times. I'm self taught from that era. Trial and
error, and reading whatever I could - books, downloads from BBSs,
and later, the web. I built my first PC in 1991 - an XT clone,
and I didn't buy one until 2003. My original PC evolved through
a series of upgrades from the XT to a low end Pentium, in stages,
over the years. :)
2003. My original PC evolved through a series of upgrades from the
XT to a low end Pentium, in stages, over the years. :)
Funny how that works. I had a 386 dx40 that ended life as a K6-233.
On 08-02-20 14:16, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/NRBBS
On 02 Aug 2020, Vk3jed said the following...
Pretty neat system. And does it record those of us who simply delete it?
The usual entries I see are "Received", "Opened", "Clicked" or
"Reported".
Those that simply delete the message come up as "Received".
On 08-02-20 13:52, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/UNDRMINE
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Vk3jed to Gamgee on Sun Aug 02 2020 09:54 pm
2003. My original PC evolved through a series of upgrades from the XT to a low end Pentium, in stages, over the years. :)
Funny how that works. I had a 386 dx40 that ended life as a K6-233.
On 08-02-20 13:58, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Funny how that works. I had a 386 dx40 that ended life as a K6-233,
though it by far spent the longest time as a 486 dx2 66 ---
On 08-02-20 15:12, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I followed very similar steps. A new CPU here, a new (16550) UART there... eventually need a new motherboard. RAM was never a big
issue, not sure I ever had more than 4MB in the DOS days. Video
cards were critical after Doom/Duke came out, and sound cards too.
It really was fun trying to get it all to work together.
On 08-02-20 15:09, Nightfox wrote to Underminer <=-
If you upgrade enough components over the years, including the case and everything, you'd end up with a totally different PC than what you
started with. I upgraded my PC sometimes, but sometimes I felt like it
was best to build a whole new PC and sell my old one to someone who
could use it. For instance, if you want to upgrade to a new CPU,
you'll also probably have to buy a new motherboard to support it, which
in turn would need newer/faster RAM, etc., etc., and you might as well just buy everything new anyway.
Ennev> Will be a nice future will all theses uneducated people. Promising
sounds like Idiocracy...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Cideo cards were never critical for me, until I needed VGA and HDMI out together. Today, a better GPU is going to be of more use for its computational power than graphics rendering. In case you didn't already know, I'm not a gamer. :)
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Underminer to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 02 2020 01:52 pm
2003. My original PC evolved through a series of upgrades from the
XT to a low end Pentium, in stages, over the years. :)
Funny how that works. I had a 386 dx40 that ended life as a K6-233.
If you upgrade enough components over the years, including the case and ever I upgraded my PC sometimes, but sometimes I felt like it was best to build a t, which in turn would need newer/faster RAM, etc., etc., and you might as w
Nightfox
If you upgrade enough components over the years, including the caseIn the old days, you had a bunch of cards you wanted to keep, so you could replace the motherboard/RAM and swap the cards across. Today, you swap the
and everything, you'd end up with a totally different PC than what
you started with. I upgraded my PC sometimes, but sometimes I felt
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Vk3jed to Gamgee on Mon Aug 03 2020 06:52 pm
Cideo cards were never critical for me, until I needed VGA and HDMI out together. Today, a better GPU is going to be of more use for its computational power than graphics rendering. In case you didn't already know, I'm not a gamer. :)
Graphics cards these days can actually be fairly useful for general-purpose
And GPU processing can often be much faster than CPU processing because GPU s/threads available. One thing though is that I think GPUs tend to be good
Nightfox
Graphics cards these days can actually be fairly useful for
general-purpose And GPU processing can often be much faster than CPU
processing because GPU s/threads available. One thing though is that
I think GPUs tend to be good
Other than crypto currency, do any other applications use the extra number crunching power of GPU's for things other than graphics? it would make sense, but I've never heard any applications named before.
Other than crypto currency, do any other applications use the extra number crunching power of GPU's for things other than graphics? it would make sense, but I've never heard any applications named before.
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
I followed very similar steps. A new CPU here, a new (16550) UART there... eventually need a new motherboard. RAM was never a big
issue, not sure I ever had more than 4MB in the DOS days. Video
RAM often was an issue for me, especially once I discovered
DESQview. And that showed me the different between on board RAM
and expansion cards, which even on a 386 were poles apart in
performance. Back then, I had 2MB RAM on the mother board, and
another 2BM on a card, which I configured as extended memory (and
let the 306's MMU sort things out). When multitasking on DV, I
could tell when I went past the 2MB limit - additional sessions
were rather sluggish. :)
cards were critical after Doom/Duke came out, and sound cards too.
It really was fun trying to get it all to work together.
Cideo cards were never critical for me, until I needed VGA and
HDMI out together. Today, a better GPU is going to be of more
use for its computational power than graphics rendering. In case
you didn't already know, I'm not a gamer. :)
On 08-03-20 09:29, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Graphics cards these days can actually be fairly useful for general-purpose computing. There are more and more applications these days that can make use of a graphics card for computing, such as photo
that I think GPUs tend to be good at floating-point math, whereas I
think CPUs tend to be better for integer math.
On 08-03-20 18:06, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yup, when I was going through generations it was always a case of
changing out a part or two at a time until I went from the k6 to the
k6-2. At that point everything was ATX and an AT case and power supply wouldn't cut it, and you really wanted to go AGP for video instead of
PCI, ram was incompatible, etc etc, so it was the first time I needed
to build an entire system to upgrade. In the years since then that's become the norm. ---
On 08-03-20 07:54, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I never did much with DV, but did use various memory managers such
as QEMM. It was an art to fiddle with the loading order and stuff
like "loadhigh" to squeeze every bit of stuff (drivers, TSR's)
into upper memory to conserve that precious bottom 640K. :-)
I'm not much of a gamer now, but certainly was back then. Video
cards made a HUGE difference in gaming performance then (as they
do now, but it seemed more important then with the limited
horsepower of the CPU's).
We can do so much more these days with hardware and software
advances, and mostly it's pretty easy. I still look back at my
DOS years, roughly 1986 - 1996, before the internet but at the
peak of BBS'ing, as the best period of my computer life. The
feeling of success after fighting with drivers/configs, finally
getting the complicated batch file to do what you wanted it to do,
getting the IRQ's and jumpers set properly, attaching a SCSI
multi-disc CDROM to the computer, mailers such as FrontDoor, and
DOS BBS's were the Golden Age to me. :-)
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 03 2020 09:29 am
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Vk3jed to Gamgee on Mon Aug 03 2020 06:52 pm
Cideo cards were never critical for me, until I needed VGA and HDMI together. Today, a better GPU is going to be of more use for its computational power than graphics rendering. In case you didn't alre know, I'm not a gamer. :)
Graphics cards these days can actually be fairly useful for general-purpo
And GPU processing can often be much faster than CPU processing because s/threads available. One thing though is that I think GPUs tend to be go
Nightfox
Other than crypto currency, do any other applications use the extra number crunching power of GPU's for things other than graphics? it would make sense, but I've never heard any applications named before.
Other than crypto currency, do any other applications use the extra number crunching power of GPU's for things other than graphics? it would make sense, but I've never heard any applications named before.
I never did much with DV, but did use various memory managers such
as QEMM. It was an art to fiddle with the loading order and stuff
like "loadhigh" to squeeze every bit of stuff (drivers, TSR's)
into upper memory to conserve that precious bottom 640K. :-)
QEMM was awesome. My best result was around 720k conventional, IIRC.
QEMM and running in CGA mode allowed one to do that. :)
Yes, those were very satisfying times to be doing computers. I loved
that tinkering myself. Today, it seems software is where it's at, whatever your interest is. I'm loving technology such as software
defined radio. :)
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Aug 03 2020 07:03 pm
If you upgrade enough components over the years, including the caseIn the old days, you had a bunch of cards you wanted to keep, so you co replace the motherboard/RAM and swap the cards across. Today, you swap
and everything, you'd end up with a totally different PC than what
you started with. I upgraded my PC sometimes, but sometimes I felt
Yup, when I was going through generations it was always a case of changing o
for video instead of PCI, ram was incompatible, etc etc, so it was the firs
Back in the late 90's and early 2000's technology was neary doubling itself every 18 months, so a new pc would either have twice the cpu speed or close to twice the processing power of a pc built 2 years earlier.
Doubling every 18 months was Moore's Law.. Some say it's still true (espe
Intel), but some people say processors aren't progressing as fast
as that anymore.
On 08-04-20 10:52, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/TBOLT
Tony,
QEMM was awesome. My best result was around 720k conventional, IIRC.
QEMM and running in CGA mode allowed one to do that. :)
I always got a kick out of the optimizing options with QEMM. :)
Yes, those were very satisfying times to be doing computers. I loved
that tinkering myself. Today, it seems software is where it's at, whatever your interest is. I'm loving technology such as software
defined radio. :)
But, SDR has another acronym -- Spousally Declined Radio. <G>
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Moondog to Underminer on Tue Aug 04 2020 10:37 am
Back in the late 90's and early 2000's technology was neary doubling itself every 18 months, so a new pc would either have twice the cpu spe or close to twice the processing power of a pc built 2 years earlier.
Doubling every 18 months was Moore's Law.. Some say it's still true (especi as that anymore.
Nightfox
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I had serial mice from very early on - Logitech had a TSR that would
let you define mouse actions per program, so you could make a
non mouse-aware application mousable. I was hooked on making it work
with my DOS apps.
There was another mouse TSR that gave some mouse functionality on DOS.
I quickly switched to PS/2 mice when I could - that freed up a serial port. ;)
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
When I put an network card in my Portable II (8mhz 286) I had to
remember XT systems and AT used different address ranges for
peripherals,
Vk3jed wrote to Underminer <=-
Yeah, the fun. I think my XT ended up as a P90. I know I had a 200
MHz machine of some sort, before I bought the Athlon in 2003.
Doubling every 18 months was Moore's Law.. Some say it's still true
(espe Intel), but some people say processors aren't progressing as
fast as that anymore.
I seem to remember the leap from 3GHz to 4GHz taking quite some time, though I'm tired and can't recall the reasons off the top of my head...
Moore's law had to do with transistor integration, however the rule had been adopted for processing power. I think the time has stretched out to more than 18 months. Instead of clock speed, the solution is to add more cores.
On 04 Aug 2020, Nightfox said the following...
Doubling every 18 months was Moore's Law.. Some say it's still true (e
Intel), but some people say processors aren't progressing as fast
as that anymore.
I seem to remember the leap from 3GHz to 4GHz taking quite some time, though I'm tired and can't recall the reasons off the top of my head...
Jay
I always got a kick out of the optimizing options with QEMM. :)
WEMM was awesome.
But, SDR has another acronym -- Spousally Declined Radio. <G>
I don't have that problem. :P
On 08-03-20 10:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Oh, then there were bus mice and CD-ROM drives with proprietary
cards...And, when work gave me a DDS-2 DAT drive, an Adaptec 1541
SCSI card...
On 08-03-20 19:16, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
As a sysop, you always had trickle-down hardware. My BBS started off
as a clone 286 in an AT-style case, then a 386SX/16, then a 386/40,
then a 486SX, as my desktop computer shed parts.
Then, I ended up inheriting a 486 server-class box with 16 MB of RAM
and SCSI drives, and I could run the BBS on my desktop without it
breaking a sweat, and I halved my computer count.
On 08-05-20 15:16, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/TBOLT
Tony,
I always got a kick out of the optimizing options with QEMM. :)
WEMM was awesome.
WEMM?? Is that the Austrailian version?? <G>
But, SDR has another acronym -- Spousally Declined Radio. <G>
I don't have that problem. :P
At present, I don't either. <G>
Or "Do You, Ham, Take Radio, To Be Your Lawfully Wedded Spouse??"<G>.
Or the following from "The Honeymoon And More, after Ham And Radio
Were United In Holy Telephony...we have this verifed from a trusted
group of "Official Observers" (hi hi).
After turning down the lights, and putting on some soft JT-65 music,
ham and radio assumed positions of horizontal and vertical
polarization, as they intimately got to know each other...because he wanted to work Up Her Sideband, and Zero Beat Her Frequencies. But,
they had to be careful not to put the wedding gifts of Morse Code
keyers where they'd sleep. Otherwise, they'd become infested with
bedbugs, and that would be a real pain in the brass.
Yes, I have too much time on my hands...and more of a QWK Packet
to read (hi hi).
For those who want "the rest of the story", point your web browser
to https://www.theweatherwonder.com/elk.htm -- and look for the file
"The Triple Play".
I always got a kick out of the optimizing options with QEMM. :)
WEMM was awesome.
WEMM?? Is that the Austrailian version?? <G>
LOL the fat fingered version. :D
Or "Do You, Ham, Take Radio, To Be Your Lawfully Wedded Spouse??"<G>.
Haha. :D BBSs, ham radio, barbell, athletics track... :D
Yes, I have too much time on my hands...and more of a QWK Packet
to read (hi hi).
Haha got lockdown syndrome? :D
For those who want "the rest of the story", point your web browser
to https://www.theweatherwonder.com/elk.htm -- and look for the file
"The Triple Play".
:)
... I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me!
On 08-06-20 18:36, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
At least it wasn't "the fart fingered version". Remember, as the
blooper notes, "you can stop a gas leak with one finger". :P
Or "Do You, Ham, Take Radio, To Be Your Lawfully Wedded Spouse??"<G>.
Haha. :D BBSs, ham radio, barbell, athletics track... :D
I won't ask about ones medicine balls. <G>
Yes, I have too much time on my hands...and more of a QWK Packet
to read (hi hi).
Haha got lockdown syndrome? :D
Practically. Would you believe that yesterday, when I posted a
message out on a local college ham radio club list server, about precautions for COVID-19, this one individual went ballistic and
defiant, saying "I will NOT wear a mask". He obviously didn't care
about anyone else except him (in other words, he's selfish). He
also cussed us out.
Practically. Would you believe that yesterday, when I posted a
message out on a local college ham radio club list server, about
precautions for COVID-19, this one individual went ballistic and
defiant, saying "I will NOT wear a mask". He obviously didn't care
about anyone else except him (in other words, he's selfish). He
also cussed us out.
There's wankers like that everywhere.
At least it wasn't "the fart fingered version". Remember, as the
blooper notes, "you can stop a gas leak with one finger". :P
Hrmm....
Or "Do You, Ham, Take Radio, To Be Your Lawfully Wedded Spouse??"<G>.
Haha. :D BBSs, ham radio, barbell, athletics track... :D
I won't ask about ones medicine balls. <G>
From a dodgy Chinese importer. ;P
Practically. Would you believe that yesterday, when I posted a
message out on a local college ham radio club list server, about precautions for COVID-19, this one individual went ballistic and
defiant, saying "I will NOT wear a mask". He obviously didn't care
about anyone else except him (in other words, he's selfish). He
also cussed us out.
There's wankers like that everywhere.
On 08-08-20 12:24, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Agreed. But to refraise there are a lot of ignorant, stupid people out there is how I would put it. People don't want to admit our way of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people that refuse
to get vaccinated once one is found?
On 08-08-20 17:58, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And, as the tagline notes...
"Status Quo -- Latin for 'the mess we're in'". :P
I personally don't want or need those idiots in the hobby. I even
quoted US Federal Law that covers amateur radio, and Maria Somma,
AB1FM, head of ARRL/VEC, told me that "you are correct". It is Part
97.511 -- and since I consider COVID-19 instructions part of the exam session instructions, if he isn't going to comply, he needs to go elsewhere.
around 10%, I'd bet on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.
Vk3jed wrote to HusTler <=-
take the vaccine anyway. Given that the probability of chronic side effects of COVID-19 is unknown, but estimated to be around 10%, I'd bet
on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.
I was a long-time listener to Coast to Coast AM, and I love a good conspiracy theory for entertainment value, but haven't found one yet that's worth repeating in all seriousness.
I personally don't want or need those idiots in the hobby. I even
quoted US Federal Law that covers amateur radio, and Maria Somma,
AB1FM, head of ARRL/VEC, told me that "you are correct". It is Part
97.511 -- and since I consider COVID-19 instructions part of the exam session instructions, if he isn't going to comply, he needs to go elsewhere.
That's one way to deal with it, and COVID-19 safety rules are there to
be followed.
I used to listen to Coast To Coast sometimes. Sometimes I wondered how much truth there was to some of the stories on that show.. If those stories really had serious validity, then why would they only be reported on a late-night AM radio talk show like that?
On 08-09-20 08:06, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/PALANT
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:06 pm
around 10%, I'd bet on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.
"Properly tested" being the golden combination of words.
What I am hearing so far is that they are dropping regular procedure to hurry vaccines to the market. That is not reassuring at all.
On 08-09-20 07:13, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Even the one that Bill Gates has put nanotech into for mind control
and physical tracking? The one that'll need to be updated every year
as new strains come out, guaranteeing that we're subjugated and human
will is finally extinguished by the global government?
The conspiracy theorists have come out of the woodwork, recently.
David Icke has been touting something similar recently, and I heard someone parroting that almost verbatim to a hapless shopkeeper just
happy to have some walk-in business.
I was a long-time listener to Coast to Coast AM, and I love a good conspiracy theory for entertainment value, but haven't found one yet that's worth repeating in all seriousness.
On 08-09-20 12:05, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't like to wish bad on folks, but if "karma" bites him where he ends up getting a severe case of COVID-19, then he'll have gotten what
he deserved, for his selfishness.
Daryl
... Meteor shower tonight, bring your own soap!
I don't like to wish bad on folks, but if "karma" bites him where he ends up getting a severe case of COVID-19, then he'll have gotten what
he deserved, for his selfishness.
Yeah, one hopes he comes to his senses, before karma balances the
books.
... Meteor shower tonight, bring your own soap!
I don't want to know what a "baby shower" is then! :P
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I used to listen to Coast To Coast sometimes. Sometimes I wondered how much truth there was to some of the stories on that show.. If those stories really had serious validity, then why would they only be
reported on a late-night AM radio talk show like that?
I used to listen to Coast To Coast sometimes. Sometimes I wondered
how much truth there was to some of the stories on that show.. If
those stories really had serious validity, then why would they only
be reported on a late-night AM radio talk show like that?
I miss Art Bell. He had the ability to suspend disbelief and give his callers and guests the air to share their thoughts.
^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Agreed. But to refraise there are a lot of ignorant, stupid people
out there is how I would put it. People don't want to admit our way
of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people
that refuse to get vaccinated once one is found?
Yes, that is true. :( Anti vaxxers are particularly troubling. I
will probably be relatively early in the queue, when a viable vaccine
is available, because of my emergency service connection. And I
suspect it would be mandatory for me to be vaccinated, if I was going
to continue in that role. As a volunteer, that's my choice, but
unless there's documented evidence of significant risk of side
effects, I'll take the vaccine anyway. Given that the probability of chronic side effects of COVID-19 is unknown, but estimated to be
around 10%, I'd bet on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.
On 08-10-20 13:36, Daryl Stout wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And, it does bite hard...my karma ran over your dogma. <G>
... Meteor shower tonight, bring your own soap!
I don't want to know what a "baby shower" is then! :P
They provide the water...and I'll let your mind take it from there.
Today, I heard that Russia has made the claim of producing a successful vaccine. Putin even said that one of daughters got innoculated and that she is fine. Wow, we should all leap for joy! His daughter is fine! I find it suspect that Putin himself did not get vaccinated with the stuff.
Ogg wrote to All <=-
Hello Vk3jed!
** On Sunday 09.08.20 - 03:06, vk3jed wrote to HusTler:
Agreed. But to refraise there are a lot of ignorant, stupid people
out there is how I would put it. People don't want to admit our way
of life has been seriously altered. What will we say to the people
that refuse to get vaccinated once one is found?
Yes, that is true. :( Anti vaxxers are particularly troubling. I
will probably be relatively early in the queue, when a viable vaccine
is available, because of my emergency service connection. And I
suspect it would be mandatory for me to be vaccinated, if I was going
to continue in that role. As a volunteer, that's my choice, but
unless there's documented evidence of significant risk of side
effects, I'll take the vaccine anyway. Given that the probability of chronic side effects of COVID-19 is unknown, but estimated to be
around 10%, I'd bet on any properly tested vaccine that comes out.
^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Be cautious of the numbers arm-chair researchers throw out. The
numbers change depending on other factors that they might disclose - later.
Be dubious about the definition of "properly tested".
It would be a sad commentary that after working so hard to build and maintain a healthy body that you are so proud of, one rushed-to-market vaccine could uproot all of it. Would you have any (legal?) recourse
if the stuff would make you sick or ruin your quality of life?
I find it particularly troubling to hear that the 1st people to get
this stuff *will* be the front-line health and emergency workers. These are the people that other people's safety depends on. But if the injection proves fatal or debilitating, then the very services that
people depend on will be less effective.
Today, I heard that Russia has made the claim of producing a successful vaccine. Putin even said that one of daughters got innoculated and
that she is fine. Wow, we should all leap for joy! His daughter is
fine! I find it suspect that Putin himself did not get vaccinated with
the stuff.
Today, I heard that Russia has made the claim of producing a
successful vaccine. Putin even said that one of daughters got
innoculated and that she is fine. Wow, we should all leap for joy!
His daughter is fine! I find it suspect that Putin himself did not
get vaccinated with the stuff.
putin is a fucking bad ass. he doesnt need a vaccine for anything.
his white blood cells are little assassins.
Re: Re: Home network security
By: MRO to Ogg on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:20 pm
Today, I heard that Russia has made the claim of producing a
successful vaccine. Putin even said that one of daughters got
innoculated and that she is fine. Wow, we should all leap for joy!
His daughter is fine! I find it suspect that Putin himself did not
get vaccinated with the stuff.
putin is a fucking bad ass. he doesnt need a vaccine for anything.
his white blood cells are little assassins.
I saw a photo of Putin standing next to the Chinese leader, Putin is a littl fugger.
putin is a fucking bad ass. he doesnt need a vaccine for
anything. his white blood cells are little assassins.
I saw a photo of Putin standing next to the Chinese leader, Putin is a
littl fugger.
It's the little guys you have to watch out for. They think they have to do mo re in order to make a statement.
Re: Re: Home network security
By: Moondog to Denn on Tue Aug 18 2020 10:57 am
putin is a fucking bad ass. he doesnt need a vaccine for
anything. his white blood cells are little assassins.
I saw a photo of Putin standing next to the Chinese leader, Putin is a
littl fugger.
It's the little guys you have to watch out for. They think they have to mo re in order to make a statement.
well he has nothing to prove. he has probably personally killed tons of peop
well he has nothing to prove. he has probably personally killed tons
of peop
He probably killed them to earn people's fear.
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