Ogg wrote to All <=-
Hello Nightfox!
** On Friday 17.07.20 - 17:04, nightfox wrote to MRO:
...new Linux distribution that looks pretty much just like Windows 10:
https://youtu.be/UEVM9W2H3ow
normally i would shit on this, but i like some of the things i see in the
video. i'm going to check it out in vm right now
Yeah, I don't really think a Linux distro needs to look exactly like Windows, but some of the things there looked interesting.
I think the strength and appeal of the linux distros is that their
designs *are* fresh and innovative - and *can* be far removed from the "look" of Windows.
Sure.. throw in a Windows background and use one of the distros that resembles Windows menuing if you really can't bear missing Windows.
But why would you want to dumb-down the look and operations like that?
My last foray into linux distros was an early Ubuntu when they offered them for free via mail. Ubuntu completely revitalized my then maxed-out WinME pc - and even performed better! The look n feel and operations
were wonderful. Even the smaller ones like Puppy seemed amazing. That
was over 15 years ago.
A couple years ago, I had an opportunity to equip a friend's failed XP system with a linux distro. (The person had no budget for a new pc,
but they needed to retain some legacy support with an existing printer
and an all their photos.)
When I started looking at the various distro offerings, I was amazed
how far along the designs and operations had come. The choices between
all the different desktops KDE Xfce LXLE MATE etc.. were wonderful to experience. So nice.
Ogg wrote to All <=-
Hello Nightfox!
** On Friday 17.07.20 - 17:04, nightfox wrote to MRO:
...new Linux distribution that looks pretty much just like Windows 10:
https://youtu.be/UEVM9W2H3ow
normally i would shit on this, but i like some of the things i see in
video. i'm going to check it out in vm right now
Yeah, I don't really think a Linux distro needs to look exactly like Windows, but some of the things there looked interesting.
I think the strength and appeal of the linux distros is that their designs *are* fresh and innovative - and *can* be far removed from the "look" of Windows.
Sure.. throw in a Windows background and use one of the distros that resembles Windows menuing if you really can't bear missing Windows.
But why would you want to dumb-down the look and operations like that?
My last foray into linux distros was an early Ubuntu when they offered them for free via mail. Ubuntu completely revitalized my then maxed-out WinME pc - and even performed better! The look n feel and operations were wonderful. Even the smaller ones like Puppy seemed amazing. That was over 15 years ago.
A couple years ago, I had an opportunity to equip a friend's failed XP system with a linux distro. (The person had no budget for a new pc, but they needed to retain some legacy support with an existing printer and an all their photos.)
When I started looking at the various distro offerings, I was amazed how far along the designs and operations had come. The choices between all the different desktops KDE Xfce LXLE MATE etc.. were wonderful to experience. So nice.
I am looking at getting a new(er) laptop for the family, and my wife is a lifelong Apple user. The reality is that we don't specifically need a Mac, the extra dollars it costs to get an equivalently powered machine that runs OS isn't really justified, especially when you factor in the cost of keeping current version of Mac OS running.
The main programs run are just Firefox, Thunderbird and a photo viewer. But wife would prefer a familiar interface, so Linux is an easier sell if it can operate the same way.
This is probably the only scenario where mimicking an existing OS helps, whe you want to use a better option but someone ELSE doesn't. For those who wil move on their own accord, I think the fact that Linux offers something different is more appealing. It was for me. When I first started AfterStep and saw a new type of UI, very different to the taskbar/startmenu set up tha GNOME had, I was quite impressed by the possibilities that were open, that I wasn't confined to a particular set up or vision.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: LinuxFX - A Linux tha
By: Dennisk to Ogg on Mon Jul 20 2020 10:31 am
Ogg wrote to All <=-
Hello Nightfox!
** On Friday 17.07.20 - 17:04, nightfox wrote to MRO:
...new Linux distribution that looks pretty much just like Windows 10:
https://youtu.be/UEVM9W2H3ow
normally i would shit on this, but i like some of the things i see in
video. i'm going to check it out in vm right now
Yeah, I don't really think a Linux distro needs to look exactly like Windows, but some of the things there looked interesting.
I think the strength and appeal of the linux distros is that their designs *are* fresh and innovative - and *can* be far removed from the "look" of Windows.
Sure.. throw in a Windows background and use one of the distros that resembles Windows menuing if you really can't bear missing Windows.
But why would you want to dumb-down the look and operations like that?
My last foray into linux distros was an early Ubuntu when they offered them for free via mail. Ubuntu completely revitalized my then maxed-out WinME pc - and even performed better! The look n feel and operations were wonderful. Even the smaller ones like Puppy seemed amazing. That was over 15 years ago.
A couple years ago, I had an opportunity to equip a friend's failed XP system with a linux distro. (The person had no budget for a new pc, but they needed to retain some legacy support with an existing printer and an all their photos.)
When I started looking at the various distro offerings, I was amazed how far along the designs and operations had come. The choices between all the different desktops KDE Xfce LXLE MATE etc.. were wonderful to experience. So nice.
I am looking at getting a new(er) laptop for the family, and my wife is a lifelong Apple user. The reality is that we don't specifically need a Mac, the extra dollars it costs to get an equivalently powered machine that runs OS isn't really justified, especially when you factor in the cost of keeping current version of Mac OS running.
The main programs run are just Firefox, Thunderbird and a photo viewer. But wife would prefer a familiar interface, so Linux is an easier sell if it can operate the same way.
This is probably the only scenario where mimicking an existing OS helps, whe you want to use a better option but someone ELSE doesn't. For those who wil move on their own accord, I think the fact that Linux offers something different is more appealing. It was for me. When I first started AfterStep and saw a new type of UI, very different to the taskbar/startmenu set up tha GNOME had, I was quite impressed by the possibilities that were open, that I wasn't confined to a particular set up or vision.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Gnome is very silmilar to the OSX gui.
Kind of. I've used OS X at work for a few years, but I never got the GNOME 3 GUI. I tried it, but found it convoluted. Maybe with the OS X experience I'll give Gnome another try, but I can't see myself liking it. Gnome is dead to me.
If you want something Mac like, you'd probably choose elementary OS.
When I started looking at the various distro offerings, I was amazed
how far along the designs and operations had come. The choices
between all the different desktops KDE Xfce LXLE MATE etc.. were
wonderful to experience. So nice.
I am looking at getting a new(er) laptop for the family, and my wife
is a lifelong Apple user. The reality is that we don't specifically
need a Mac, so the extra dollars it costs to get an equivalently
powered machine that runs Mac OS isn't really justified,
especially when you factor in the cost of keeping a current version of
Mac OS running. The main programs run are just Firefox, Thunderbird
and a photo viewer. But my wife would prefer a familiar interface, so Linux is an easier sell if it can operate the same way.
This is probably the only scenario where mimicking an existing OS
helps, when you want to use a better option but someone ELSE doesn't.
For those who will move on their own accord, I think the fact that
Linux offers something different is more appealing. It was for me.
When I first started AfterStep and saw a new type of UI, very
different to the taskbar/startmenu set up that GNOME had, I was quite impressed by the possibilities that were open, that I wasn't confined
to a particular set up or vision.
Underminer wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: LinuxFX - A Linux tha
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Tue Jul 21 2020 10:05 am
Kind of. I've used OS X at work for a few years, but I never got the GNOME 3 GUI. I tried it, but found it convoluted. Maybe with the OS X experience I'll give Gnome another try, but I can't see myself liking it. Gnome is dead to me.
If you want something Mac like, you'd probably choose elementary OS.
I've never been a big fan of Gnome. I understand why some like it, but
it just seems like a lot more work to truly customize it than something like xfce.
XFCE with the right window decorations, theme, and dock, can be made to feel like just about anything. My main desktop has an OSX inspired
look, but cleaner and with proper multi-display setup. ---
Underminer
Ogg wrote to Dennisk <=-
Hello Dennisk!
** On Monday 20.07.20 - 11:31, dennisk wrote to Ogg:
When I started looking at the various distro offerings, I was amazed
how far along the designs and operations had come. The choices
between all the different desktops KDE Xfce LXLE MATE etc.. were
wonderful to experience. So nice.
I am looking at getting a new(er) laptop for the family, and my wife
is a lifelong Apple user. The reality is that we don't specifically
need a Mac, so the extra dollars it costs to get an equivalently
powered machine that runs Mac OS isn't really justified,
One thing that impressed with the Mac approach was that the OS and upgrades to the next version were practically free. The admission cost
to play with it was/is buying specific hardware.
especially when you factor in the cost of keeping a current version of
Mac OS running. The main programs run are just Firefox, Thunderbird
and a photo viewer. But my wife would prefer a familiar interface, so Linux is an easier sell if it can operate the same way.
I think you will have fun and success with that. The distros and
desktop environment choices out there are so nice. The plank menu
thing would be the primary presentation. Then, considering that pretty much everything else computer-wise only needs a browser, email and a
photo manager, Linux is probably fine for most people. An added bonus: much less heartache regarding malware and security fixes.
This is probably the only scenario where mimicking an existing OS
helps, when you want to use a better option but someone ELSE doesn't.
And.. if the person who is crying for aMac (but hasn't really worked
with a Mac) keeps insisting on a Mac, then you can show them something really close to Mac-like ..and they can probably adapt to it quite nicely.
For those who will move on their own accord, I think the fact that
Linux offers something different is more appealing. It was for me.
When I first started AfterStep and saw a new type of UI, very
different to the taskbar/startmenu set up that GNOME had, I was quite impressed by the possibilities that were open, that I wasn't confined
to a particular set up or vision.
Never heard of AfterStep. I'm not exposed to that circle of unix
things. But I like what I see! "Shows to go you" that if I (and I am
not averse to exploring new computer things) can miss developments like AfterStep and even some of the fine new Linux distro rollouts, a vast number of other people who simply need a browser, email, and
photomanager - are missing out on being unshackled from the Windows mindset.
One thing that impressed with the Mac approach was that the OS and
upgrades to the next version were practically free. The admission cost Og>> to play with it was/is buying specific hardware.
I'm open to getting a Mac, but my wife uses Apple products and finds herself in a position now and then that what she wants to do is no
longer supported. Whether it is iTunes syncing with the phone, or
whatever. Maybe its just a matter of updating the OS, but we don't
keep the hardware up to date. She is relunctant to update the OS
because it slows things down.
I don't have that problem with Linux, which is why I'm leaning towards that. Despite the fact my desktop is 10 years old, the software is
still bleeding edge. And if your hardware is a little older, you can
just move to a lighter DE like XFCE, which does make a difference.
However, I wasn't really aware that updating Mac OS X was next to
free, that does indeed change things.
I'm more familiar with it, so if anything needs to be done, I'll know
what to do. While my wife is more familiar with the Mac interface,
she doesn't really know how the OS works, so any OS updates and
software installs and troubleshooting I'll have to do anyway.
FVWM is my Window Manager of choice, far more customisable (though more difficult to customize) than any other I've used. The most underrated of them all.
Yes.. OS downloads are free. The only concern is that the upgrade/new OS version is supported with the existing hardware. There is a point where the latest version would nolonger be possible on some hardware. At that point Apple would be very pleased with your next hardware purchase! LOL
Ogg wrote to Dennisk <=-
Hello Dennisk!
** On Wednesday 22.07.20 - 10:55, dennisk wrote to Ogg:
One thing that impressed with the Mac approach was that the OS and
upgrades to the next version were practically free. The admission cost
to play with it was/is buying specific hardware.
I'm open to getting a Mac, but my wife uses Apple products and finds herself in a position now and then that what she wants to do is no
longer supported. Whether it is iTunes syncing with the phone, or whatever. Maybe its just a matter of updating the OS, but we don't
keep the hardware up to date. She is relunctant to update the OS
because it slows things down.
Regarding slowing things down, is there room to add more ram?
I think iTunes is the only game in town if you absolutely need to sync with an Apple device. Do you still need the ability to purchase your music from iTunes too? I think I ran into some difficulty getting a
linux distro to work with the windows version of iTunes. Wine was/is
the only way, but I had different results depending on the core distro.
I even considered the commercial CrossOver as a last resort (but it is 32bit only)
I don't have that problem with Linux, which is why I'm leaning towards that. Despite the fact my desktop is 10 years old, the software is
still bleeding edge. And if your hardware is a little older, you can
just move to a lighter DE like XFCE, which does make a difference.
The was part of the fun I was having trying to find the best distro to match the modest hardware I was working with. I really liked all the choices and their different desktop environments.
However, I wasn't really aware that updating Mac OS X was next to
free, that does indeed change things.
Yes.. OS downloads are free. The only concern is that the upgrade/new
OS version is supported with the existing hardware. There is a point where the latest version would nolonger be possible on some hardware.
At that point Apple would be very pleased with your next hardware purchase! LOL
I'm more familiar with it, so if anything needs to be done, I'll know
what to do. While my wife is more familiar with the Mac interface,
she doesn't really know how the OS works, so any OS updates and
software installs and troubleshooting I'll have to do anyway.
If you can get Wine or CrossOver to cooperate with iTunes, 90% of
reaching that familiary will be accomplished!
Underminer wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: LinuxFX - A Linux tha
By: Dennisk to Underminer on Wed Jul 22 2020 09:42 am
FVWM is my Window Manager of choice, far more customisable (though more difficult to customize) than any other I've used. The most underrated of them all.
Interesting. I hadn't heard of it, and may have to check it out. That said, I haven't found anything that you can't customize about xfce,
though some things take more effort than others. ---
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However, I wasn't really aware that updating Mac OS X was next to free, that does indeed change things.
However, I wasn't really aware that updating Mac OS X was next to
free, that does indeed change things.
Not next to free, it IS free, as far as I know, as long as you have
purchased a Mac.
I'm happily running Catalina (the current OSX) on my 2013 iMac, and as much as I would love to upgrade to something newer, I just cannot
justify the spend. My i Mac works really well still..
...ëîåï
Unlike most linux people, I'm not willing to let go of my Apple experience. Because nothing looks or feels as good as my 5k Apple iMac... to me. And another reason; they freaking GOT ME... I've been on iPhone for so long, own so many movies and content on Apple; they hooked me just like they wanted too, and I'd lose functionality if I DID stop using Apple products...
Dennisk wrote to Ogg <=-
The was part of the fun I was having trying to find the best distro to match the modest hardware I was working with. I really liked all the choices and their different desktop environments.
Puppy Linux is great for modest hardware. Easy to use, well thought
out.
Unlike most linux people, I'm not willing to let go of my Apple
experience. Because nothing looks or feels as good as my 5k Apple
iMac... to me. And another reason; they freaking GOT ME... I've been
Yeah.. I have to admit that I a member of the same club. My stuff are mostly apple too. It's the comfort and that everything work together seamlessly.
Hello my name is Ennev and I'm an apple addict.
p.s. and with parallel I run windows 10 and Linux all at the same time
on the same screen. Comfy !
Hello my name is Ennev and I'm an apple addict.
I'll take your experience as a warning, and avoid linking my music and movies to distribution platforms. Thanks!
Hello my name is Ennev and I'm an apple addict.
I'll take your experience as a warning, and avoid linking my music and movies to distribution platforms. Thanks!
Oh no no no, I have my music and movies backup on non drm format thanks. I'm still able to watch on all my devices trough my nas. I don't like to see the stuff I like dissapering because of censorship or a contract
deal ending or changing with a particular platform.
The was part of the fun I was having trying to find the best distro
Puppy Linux is great for modest hardware. Easy to use, well thought
out.
Good to see others out there are aware of Puppy Linux. I used it for a few years, and almost went with a derivitive this time that has 64-bit support.
We never had to deal with that kind of thing before streaming platforms came around. It's one reason I often still like to buy my movies & music on blu-ray & CD. I can play it any time I want, and I can also rip it if I want and put it on my own media server.
Re: Re: LinuxFX - A Linux tha
By: Ennev to Arelor on Thu Jul 23 2020 10:44 am
Oh no no no, I have my music and movies backup on non drm format thanks I'm still able to watch on all my devices trough my nas. I don't like t see the stuff I like dissapering because of censorship or a contract deal ending or changing with a particular platform.
We never had to deal with that kind of thing before streaming platforms came server.
Nightfox
HusTler wrote to Dreamer <=-
Re: Re: LinuxFX - A Linux tha
By: Dreamer to Dennisk on Wed Jul 22 2020 02:32 pm
The was part of the fun I was having trying to find the best distro
Puppy Linux is great for modest hardware. Easy to use, well thought
out.
Good to see others out there are aware of Puppy Linux. I used it for a few years, and almost went with a derivitive this time that has 64-bit support.
My personal choice is Lubuntu. But that's just me. ;-)
now I read they want to kill broadcast AM ( and FM eventually ) because you can stream radio nowadays !!! Well broadcast radio don't track you ( o.k. o.k. radio using superheterodyne circuit can but you get me )
Years ago i heard watchdog groups warning about streaming media and content which requires the application to "call home" occasionally to be played. imagine what it would be like in the future to pull out an media format and player that's no longer in use, and it won't work because the server it checks in with is no longer active? The same applies to video games. If your games will not run offline and a service such as steam no longer exists, theyre' pretty much locked on the old system they were installed on.
because you can stream radio nowadays !!! Well broadcast radio don't
track you ( o.k. o.k. radio using superheterodyne circuit can but
Re: Re: LinuxFX - A Linux tha
By: Dreamer to Dennisk on Wed Jul 22 2020 02:32 pm
The was part of the fun I was having trying to find the best distro
Puppy Linux is great for modest hardware. Easy to use, well thought
out.
Good to see others out there are aware of Puppy Linux. I used it for a years, and almost went with a derivitive this time that has 64-bit support.
My personal choice is Lubuntu. But that's just me. ;-)
HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23
now I read they want to kill broadcast AM ( and FM eventually ) because
you can stream radio nowadays !!! Well broadcast radio don't track you ( o.k. o.k. radio using superheterodyne circuit can but you get me )
I don't know, at least in Spain, AM/FM is an extremely popular way of consuming news and music while driving and working. It works well in many areas where there are no solid Internet connections so I don't see it going away anytime soon. Besides, the government makes a big load of money selling radio station licensing.
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