Oh, I disagree... I think he did a good job at capturing 1994 anyway..
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Kurisu <=-
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media" just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised
against someone?
I've been culling my Facebook friends list to great effect recently.
I figured out that when that brother-in-law of yours reposts
political crap, you can mute your brother-in-law, *or* mute the
author of the forwarded crap. Being able to mute the source of the
forwarded crap has helped me get Facebook back to what it used to be
- a way to keep up with absent friends.
Mastadon is commercial-free, I'm enjoying it but wish I had more
friends move to it.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Kurisu <=-
It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opinion.
Oh, No no no no no no...
We had flame wars to compare with today's flame wars, with one
difference.
We were local.
Two callers of mine - Sam Uzi and Ranxerox had one of the largest
flame wars in recent history. I'd compare it to the Helsinki incident
of 1917, and we all know how that turned out.
They *hated* each others posts, and Sam would call just waiting to
flame on the next one.
We were all part of NIRVANAnet(tm), a San Francisco Bay area network
comprised of several boards all maybe 30 miles apart. So we got
together quarterly. And ate, and drank, and socialized.
Sam and Ranxerox met, looked at each other for a good 10 seconds,
then shook hands, and continued their arguments. At the end of the
night they had a newfound respect for each other and were enjoying
each other's company. You couldn't get a word in edgewise with those
two.
Seeing a face behind a post is important. It's what's missing now and
we need to make up for, somehow.
The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion
on the internet, and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because the technology didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult
or cumbersome.
I think more of the problem is anonymity. While I've supported
anonymity for years, even before the internet I'm concerned that with
anonymity can come a lack of accountability.
Back then, we used handles but we built reputations on them. I was as
protective of poindexter FORTRAN as I was of my real name on the
BBSes. Both reputations were me. While I could have trashed my
handles and re-appeared as someone new, you wouldn't want to.
Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
People weren't seeking to destroy each other professionally, destroy
their careers and "call them out", where they?
Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
People weren't seeking to destroy each other professionally, destroy their careers and "call them out", where they?
No, they weren't - for the most part. There were some people who took
things too far, even back then - but it wasn't common. I stand corrected.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Moondog <=-
You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security
through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own the platform yourself.
True, but then you're starting down a slippery slope of obscurity.
First dial-up, then supporting EBCDIC only, then 5-bit Baudot
encoding, then minitel - and we're back in the '60s again!
Re: Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Ogg to All on Sun Jul 05 2020 03:25 pm
BBS Documentary has nothing else on the subject to compare it to. For M to criticize it too much isn't fair. It's a fine result of a complex project. At first, I wasn't overly excited of just the sit-down-style o
I've heard some people criticize the BBS Documentary on the fact that it cen l pretty good though. It captured a lot of what I remembered about the BBS
Those were earlier days of computing, and I still remember it feeling really
I first got my own computer and modem, I was fairly young (12 years old), b
to offer as far as files, games, etc..
Nightfox
Groovy!
I'm looking at a private BBS, and I will only allow SSH access, with users not being able to create an account. Users will have to ask by e-mail or something, and they will be sent the details of a new account.
paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dennisk to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 06 2020 09:40 pm
Groovy!
I'm looking at a private BBS, and I will only allow SSH access, with users not being able to create an account. Users will have to ask by e-mail or something, and they will be sent the details of a new account.
Sounds like FreeBSD; checkout SDF.ORG, regardless of the bad that folks
on BBSes talk about it... I think it shows great use of a IX system for BBS-like usage.
When I got my first modem, a neighbor and I would joke around and dial into each other's comm software, and chat. Sometimes his line would go quiet, then his mother would start typing, telling me to get off the line because she is trying to call my mother, or should move the computer downstairs so my mother could learn how to direct dial and chat.
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social medi
just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about
the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
Dude, I was away from Dove-Net when everyone was discussing the 'cheeseburger view thing'! I searched youtube and saw a few quick bbs-reviews, if you can ca
them that, BUT.... what was the whole cheeseburger debacle?!
I missed it!
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Jul 06 2020 08:50 pm
When I got my first modem, a neighbor and I would joke around and dial into each other's comm software, and chat. Sometimes his line would go quiet, then his mother would start typing, telling me to get off the li because she is trying to call my mother, or should move the computer downstairs so my mother could learn how to direct dial and chat.
:) Fun times. When I was 12, soon after I got my first modem, I met someon ee if it would work. WWIV was the only BBS software I was able to get runni
computers and BBSes, I started running my own BBS with RemoteAccess.
Nightfox
Dude, I was away from Dove-Net when everyone was discussing the 'cheesebur view thing'! I searched youtube and saw a few quick bbs-reviews, if you ca ca
them that, BUT.... what was the whole cheeseburger debacle?!
I missed it!
We never did determine who it was, I don't think. Seeing as how you were "away" during the whole "debacle," I am getting suspicious... <GRIN>
We never did determine who it was, I don't think. Seeing as how you were "away" during the whole "debacle," I am getting suspicious... <GRIN>
the first few were funny but then it got old.
Groovy!
I'm looking at a private BBS, and I will only allow SSH access, with
users not being able to create an account. Users will have to ask by
e-mail or something, and they will be sent the details of a new
account.
Sounds like FreeBSD; checkout SDF.ORG, regardless of the bad that
folks on BBSes talk about it... I think it shows great use of a IX
system for
BBS-like usage.
I do have an SDF.ORG account, but I have forgotten my password, and there doesn't seem to be a working way to recover it.
Dude, I was away from Dove-Net when everyone was discussing the
'cheeseburger view thing'! I searched youtube and saw a few quick
bbs-reviews, if you can ca them that, BUT.... what was the whole
cheeseburger debacle?!
I missed it!
We never did determine who it was, I don't think. Seeing as how you were "away" during the whole "debacle," I am getting suspicious... <GRIN>
I eventually got my own line as well. A fun game to paly was 688 Attack sub.
One player would drive the 688 while the other piloted a Russian typhoon class. I'd fire off some noisemaker torpedoes and my friend would start following them thinking it was the typhoon's screws cavitating at full speed.
I'd duck a few thermal layers off of his, and passively home on his sonar pings.
I do have an SDF.ORG account, but I have forgotten my password, and there doesn't seem to be a working way to recover it.
Login as new and 'recover'...
:P
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Jul 07 2020 09:15 pm
I eventually got my own line as well. A fun game to paly was 688 Attack sub.
One player would drive the 688 while the other piloted a Russian typhoo class. I'd fire off some noisemaker torpedoes and my friend would start following them thinking it was the typhoon's screws cavitating at full speed.
I'd duck a few thermal layers off of his, and passively home on his son pings.
Yea 688 AS!!! Good stuff... also, I remember some comanche helicopter game t
I had a pretty hefty /DOS/games folder. :P
pAULIE42o
M@STERMiND
AmericanPiBBS.com
Yea 688 AS!!! Good stuff... also, I remember some comanche helicopter
game t
Novalogic had a Comanche game, but I think that was alter on or near the end o f DOS gaming. I do recall Gunship 2000 being a cool game, and LHX allowed flying of an Osprey.
Regarding basic combat flight sims, I liked JF2, Dynamix software's A10, Red Baron, Aces of the Pacific, and Aces over Europe (I think AoE was Win95 era though.) I never liked Falon 3.0, but I liked EA Game's A12 Stealth fighter and Strike Eagle. Aces of the Pacific had an expansion packed called 1946, which extended the war several months, allowing the P-80 shooting star and the Japanese copy of the Me262 and a high altitude intercepter the Japanese could reach the B-29's with. I don't know if I'd call it an Easter egg, but o n the stand alone missions there was a mission where your wingman is Ensign George Bush. In real life Bush was shot down on a mission and picked up by a sub, but it's still cool trying to keep an eye on him and IIRC it was possible to protect him.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 07-08-20 21:45, Dennisk wrote to Moondog <=-
A lot of people don't have landlines anymore because they use their mobiles instead. In many parts of Australia, we have NBN, which is a part-replacement to the copper network (we still use copper for the
last mile). So there is no ability to have an analog phone, instead we have landline phones running off the NBN system.
This makes using a dial-up modem pretty much impossible I think.
I'm in that boat, but a modem should be usable on the right setup. One
of my VoIP providers allows me to configure the codecs used, and I can choose g711u or g711a, which are the same as what was used in digital
POTS exchanges. Looks like I'll have to dig up an old modem and experiment. :)
Since you're in Oz, look up www.oztell.com :)
paulie420 wrote to Moondog <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Moondog to paulie420 on Thu Jul 09 2020 03:29 pm
Yea 688 AS!!! Good stuff... also, I remember some comanche helicopter
game t
Novalogic had a Comanche game, but I think that was alter on or near the end o f DOS gaming. I do recall Gunship 2000 being a cool game, and LHX allowed flying of an Osprey.
Regarding basic combat flight sims, I liked JF2, Dynamix software's A10, Red Baron, Aces of the Pacific, and Aces over Europe (I think AoE was Win95 era though.) I never liked Falon 3.0, but I liked EA Game's A12 Stealth fighter and Strike Eagle. Aces of the Pacific had an expansion packed called 1946, which extended the war several months, allowing the P-80 shooting star and the Japanese copy of the Me262 and a high altitude intercepter the Japanese could reach the B-29's with. I don't know if I'd call it an Easter egg, but o n the stand alone missions there was a mission where your wingman is Ensign George Bush. In real life Bush was shot down on a mission and picked up by a sub, but it's still cool trying to keep an eye on him and IIRC it was possible to protect him.
Yes, I also played LHX... and the Comanche game I was thinking of seems
to be called LHA Comance??? But, I didn't spin up DosBox to check; I
just went and looked at the .BAT files in the directory... however, I remember LHX too... all three we spoke of bring back memories of my
high school DOS days. :P
Best times.
pAULIE42o
Since you're in Oz, look up www.oztell.com :)
That is good to know. The problem will be then, who ELSE has a modem I can connect to?
On 07-11-20 20:57, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That is good to know. The problem will be then, who ELSE has a modem I can connect to?
That is good to know. The problem will be then, who ELSE has a modem I can connect to?
I run a new dial-up only BBS in the UK. Started back in January. I have had about 80 calls I think, but from only five different users. Saying that, I've made next to no attempts to advertise the board.
When I started out and posted adverts on a couple of computer forums on the internet - catering for retro users - the general response was one of annoyance if not anger. I suppose people are so bought in to the idea that if you're doing anything with a computer today, it should be internet related and preferably on an app store.
I run a new dial-up only BBS in the UK. Started back in January. I have had about 80 calls I think, but from only five different users. Saying that, I'v made next to no attempts to advertise the board.
When I started out and posted adverts on a couple of computer forums on the internet - catering for retro users - the general response was one of annoya if not anger. I suppose people are so bought in to the idea that if you're doing anything with a computer today, it should be internet related and preferably on an app store.
That is good to know. The problem will be then, who ELSE has a modem I can connect to?
On 07-12-20 10:36, Nightfox wrote to Ginger1 <=-
In a forum for retro computer users, I'd think they'd appreciate a
dialup BBS more than that.
On 07-12-20 10:36, Nightfox wrote to Ginger1 <=-
In a forum for retro computer users, I'd think they'd appreciate a
dialup BBS more than that.
You'd think so, but the Internet can be a strange place.
On 07-12-20 23:59, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In a forum for retro computer users, I'd think they'd appreciate a
dialup BBS more than that.
You'd think so, but the Internet can be a strange place.
Internet ruined the media.
On 07-13-20 08:03, alterego wrote to Dennisk <=-
Funny I was cleaning out my office on the weekend and found my US
Robotics 56K modem! I'd like to put it on, but I'll need to wait for my Telstra smartmodem to come back, which would be my ATA since I'm now on
my NBN.
I've seen reference to asterisk and a softmodem module - that might be something to play with as well.
I was never in the hurry to get a modem back on, mainly because I
thought nobody would end up ringing it!
That is good to know. The problem will be then, who ELSE has a modem I can connect to?
My dialup line has gone months without a phonecall, then all of a sudden I'll get a dozen in a week from multiple people. It goes in bursts, and I have no idea why.
On 07-12-20 23:59, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Internet ruined the media.
Yet, we rely on it for our BBSs. :)
When I started out and posted adverts on a couple of computer forums on the internet - catering for retro users - the general response was one annoyance if not anger. I suppose people are so bought in to the idea t if you're doing anything with a computer today, it should be internet related and preferably on an app store.
In a forum for retro computer users, I'd think they'd appreciate a dialup BB
On 07-13-20 08:03, alterego wrote to Dennisk <=-
Funny I was cleaning out my office on the weekend and found my US Robotics 56K modem! I'd like to put it on, but I'll need to wait for my Telstra smartmodem to come back, which would be my ATA since I'm now on my NBN.
Some good signs. :) I could either use one of the phone ports on my router, use an ATA. The router would probably be the better option, but currently, it's not in a great location. Maybe in the next house, where I'm planning t setup a small server cabinet to put the network infrastructure.
I've seen reference to asterisk and a softmodem module - that might be something to play with as well.
Hmm, interesting, not sure what it's supposed to do.
I was never in the hurry to get a modem back on, mainly because I thought nobody would end up ringing it!
Much the same here. I did toy with the idea of putting it on the POTS line when I had one, because other than carrying the DSL signal, all it did was collect telemarketing calls. :)
... All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?
Hello DaiTengu!
** On Monday 13.07.20 - 08:54, daitengu wrote to Dennisk:
My dialup line has gone months without a phonecall, then all of a sudden I'll get a dozen in a week from multiple people. It goes in bursts, and I have no idea why.
Voice calls? Or.. are these people actually executing keyboard commands?
On 07-13-20 17:07, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yet, we rely on it for our BBSs. :)
Although, a lot of local community BBSes shut down. I guess that's
social distancing. :)
On 07-14-20 00:11, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've seen some funny Youtube videos about an application called Lenny.
It runs on an Asterisk server. When a telemarketer calls, they are greeted by a recording of an elderly gentleman, and the sound board is somewhat interactive towards keywords the marketer uses. Lenny will
keep them on the linefor up to 30 or more minutes rambling on, or
asking them to repeat themselves.
On 07-13-20 17:07, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yet, we rely on it for our BBSs. :)
Although, a lot of local community BBSes shut down. I guess that's
social distancing. :)
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've seen some funny Youtube videos about an application called Lenny.
It runs on an Asterisk server. When a telemarketer calls, they are greeted by a recording of an elderly gentleman, and the sound board is somewhat interactive towards keywords the marketer uses. Lenny will
keep them on the linefor up to 30 or more minutes rambling on, or
asking them to repeat themselves.
Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Vk3jed to Jon Justvig on Tue Jul 14 2020 07:41 pm
On 07-13-20 17:07, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yet, we rely on it for our BBSs. :)
Although, a lot of local community BBSes shut down. I guess that's
social distancing. :)
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around where
I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
On 07-14-20 17:59, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around where
I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
Vk3jed wrote to Jon Justvig <=-
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around where
I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing,
but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
DaiTengu wrote to Dennisk <=-
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Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dennisk to Vk3jed on Sat Jul 11 2020 08:57 pm
That is good to know. The problem will be then, who ELSE has a modem I can connect to?
I have a dialup board, but it's also running over my ISP's VOIP
system. I've been able to call out to other dialup BBSes just fine,
and plenty of users have dialed in. I notice a lot of hangups/disconnects, but the people that call usually are new users,
the spend a little time here, then I never see them again.
My dialup line has gone months without a phonecall, then all of a
sudden I'll get a dozen in a week from multiple people. It goes in bursts, and I have no idea why.
DaiTengu
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing, but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around where I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
calcmandan wrote to Jon Justvig <=-
We used to have quarterly SAMUPTs (Sacramento Area Modem Users Party Thingy) back in the 90s and kept up the friendships.
Though, today, I'm the only bbs user left. Everyone else moved on
assuming the bbs world was dead.
Vk3jed wrote to Jon Justvig <=-
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around wher I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing,
Agreed, not likely.
paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing,
Agreed, not likely.
But... I think we could create something - well, not even close
BUT... we could create a better BBS scene. I am pumped that the
BBS scene IS what it is in 2020... however, I'm interested in
ways to continue to get new users interested in what we do.
You have the guys who have been around FOREVER... the guys who
have been around a while... new sysops... new users... and all of
us kinda either knew about boards or learned about boards - but
what are some ways to bring NEW blood to BBSes?
They are fun. They do offer social media without the facebook
bullshit ... and I think people would enjoy the services.
I wish we could continue the networking: like walls with a wider
group. Or; new ways to link BBSes TOGETHER...
Theres something here... and I think people would play the game,
if they knew about it.
Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've seen some funny Youtube videos about an application called
Lenny. It runs on an Asterisk server. When a telemarketer calls,
they are greeted by a recording of an elderly gentleman, and the
sound board is somewhat interactive towards keywords the marketer
uses. Lenny will keep them on the linefor up to 30 or more minutes
rambling on, or asking them to repeat themselves.
That's sooo funny. What a great invention!!!
If I still had a smartphone, I'd use that app and adapt it to sit in some of my daily meetings.
I solved the telemarketer problem with my digital landline.
Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around
where I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that
possibility.
I'm lucky that way. Some of my oldest friends and acquaintences are those I met through the BBS world.
We used to have quarterly SAMUPTs (Sacramento Area Modem Users Party Thingy) back in the 90s and kept up the friendships.
Though, today, I'm the only bbs user left. Everyone else moved on assuming the bbs world was dead.
Went to one of their birthday parties a few weeks ago and they were all surprised how many boards still exist now.
On 07-14-20 17:59, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing, but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around where
I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
I was out for a decade or so, came back.
I dunno... I think the typical FB/IG/Twitter user today is so
ingrained with "clickety-click" and fancy links/graphics/photos,
that the BBS interface doesn't interest them in the slightest. I
mean, it's "just text"... :-) That's a quote from one of my
kids. They are enslaved to selfies/vidclips/special effects and
do not see the attraction of a BBS.
Vk3jed wrote to Jon Justvig <=-
On 07-14-20 17:59, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yrue, but hopefully some will come back.
Hopefully more than less. I've yet to see anybody or BBS around where
I live that used to have BBSes; although there is that possibility.
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing, but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
But... I think we could create something - well, not even close BUT... we could create a better BBS scene. I am pumped that the BBS scene IS what it
On 07-15-20 07:30, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
I think it's already been carved! We're in it right now! ;-)
On 07-15-20 09:41, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Vk3jed to Jon Justvig on Wed Jul 15 2020 05:59 pm
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing, but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
Hell NO! I'd be too afraid of getting raped by one of you MF's. lol
On 07-16-20 03:43, Jon Justvig wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It was a historical moment back in time. I'm pleased to see that BBSes still exist for the demand of them isn't quite as much but enough to
keep them going.
On 07-15-20 20:14, Dennisk wrote to DaiTengu <=-
Ahh, I'm in Melbourne, Australia. Not quite willing to pay those extra phone charges.
On 07-15-20 16:37, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can't see us ever getting back to the heyday of BBSing, but I do see potential to carve out a niche in the modern online environment.
I think we already carved out a niche.
Really, some of us need to be users. Even if it's in addition to running our own boards. I try to call a few other boards a week and play a few games here and there. If enough of us made a point of doing that, there'd be a sense of activity again and a few old timers may take part for a while again.That's the thing, people that are still around are geek enough to run theirs own boards. That's the user base.
You have the guys who have been around FOREVER... the guys who have been around a while... new sysops... new users... and all of us kinda either knew about boards or learned about boards - but what are some ways to bring NEW blood to BBSes
paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-
I dunno... I think the typical FB/IG/Twitter user today is so
ingrained with "clickety-click" and fancy links/graphics/photos,
that the BBS interface doesn't interest them in the slightest. I
mean, it's "just text"... :-) That's a quote from one of my
kids. They are enslaved to selfies/vidclips/special effects and
do not see the attraction of a BBS.
I just lol'ed right out loud... and, yes yer right. :/ I do wish
we had better like... at least when someone posts a link, it
would be nice if it was just one tap and it loaded... you know? I
use syncterm, and I have to copy and paste and even tho its GOOD
- its not quick, nor easy really..
Use the same VoIP provider and get free calls (in some cases). ;) Or at w pick one that has an untimed local call rate to the destination BBS. :)
Jon Justvig wrote to calcmandan <=-
I've seen some funny Youtube videos about an application called
Lenny. It runs on an Asterisk server. When a telemarketer calls,
they are greeted by a recording of an elderly gentleman, and the
sound board is somewhat interactive towards keywords the marketer
uses. Lenny will keep them on the linefor up to 30 or more minutes
rambling on, or asking them to repeat themselves.
That's sooo funny. What a great invention!!!
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calcmandan wrote to Jon Justvig <=-
We used to have quarterly SAMUPTs (Sacramento Area Modem Users Party Thingy) back in the 90s and kept up the friendships.
We used to have quarterly network get-togethers in the SF bay area.
We didn't have a snappy acronym, though! A group of them have stayed
in contact through a web zine they produce, and I've been
zoomdrinking with that group every thursday.
Though, today, I'm the only bbs user left. Everyone else moved on
assuming the bbs world was dead.
Yeah, none of my BBS users or friends from the diak-up era are active
any more. There was a momentum to the BBS scene back then, if I were
in those shoes I probably wouldn't rejoin ever. The key is to not
have left. :)
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: paulie420 to Gamgee on Wed Jul 15 2020 04:13 pm
You have the guys who have been around FOREVER... the guys who have been around a while... new sysops... new users... and all of us kinda either k about boards or learned about boards - but what are some ways to bring NE blood to BBSes
You really have to offer people something other platforms don't offer alread And make it clear what it is.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to calcmandan <=-
We used to have quarterly network get-togethers in the SF bay area.
We didn't have a snappy acronym, though! A group of them have stayed
in contact through a web zine they produce, and I've been
zoomdrinking with that group every thursday.
Yeah, none of my BBS users or friends from the diak-up era are active
any more. There was a momentum to the BBS scene back then, if I were
in those shoes I probably wouldn't rejoin ever. The key is to not
have left. :)
On 07-16-20 11:28, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/NRBBS
On 16 Jul 2020, Vk3jed said the following...
Use the same VoIP provider and get free calls (in some cases). ;) Or at w pick one that has an untimed local call rate to the destination BBS. :)
voip.ms has free calling between customers & they have two servers in
Oz.
That's what I'm using for my home alarm system now. I bought a DID for
my BBS and have been meaning to play with trying to get that to work
with my ATA.
On 07-16-20 07:43, Gamgee wrote to paulie420 <=-
One thing that can help with that is to use an offline mail reader
such as MultiMail. I can (center)click on a link in a post, and
it opens in a browser. There are quite a few other benefits to
using an offline reader too, in my opinion.
yep, everything a bbs can do, the internet does better.
there is no reason to use a bbs.
i had an idea like 15 years ago about how bbses should all be networked in every possible way. another bbs joins the swarm and all the files are added. users could talk to other users.
have an up to date UI so new people wouldnt know they were using old shit.
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
One thing that can help with that is to use an offline mail reader
such as MultiMail. I can (center)click on a link in a post, and
That has never worked for me.
I just lol'ed right out loud... and, yes yer right. :/ I do wish
we had better like... at least when someone posts a link, it
would be nice if it was just one tap and it loaded... you know? I
use syncterm, and I have to copy and paste and even tho its GOOD
- its not quick, nor easy really..
One thing that can help with that is to use an offline mail reader
such as MultiMail. I can (center)click on a link in a post, and
it opens in a browser. There are quite a few other benefits to
using an offline reader too, in my opinion.
Really, some of us need to be users. Even if it's in addition to
I do have a few regulars loggers but they are usually there to play a specific game and rarely interact. The rest are nostalgic that want to try
Getting users to get invloved in message bases has always been a task. Back in the day most of my users just wanted to download and logoff. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. lol
have an up to date UI so new people wouldnt know they were using old sh
In that case, you pretty much have the internet and associated tools.
I think Synchronet at least has the potential to provide some of that. Ther is inter-BBS messaging with Synchronet, and Synchronet has the various protocols like web, newsgroup, telnet, SSH, etc..
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Ennev to Underminer on Thu Jul 16 2020 08:04 am
Really, some of us need to be users. Even if it's in addition to
I always call other boards. I think many Sysops just install their BBS and t forget about it.
I do have a few regulars loggers but they are usually there to play a specific game and rarely interact. The rest are nostalgic that want to
Getting users to get invloved in message bases has always been a task. Back the day most of my users just wanted to download and logoff. Can't teach an dog new tricks. lol
paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-
I just lol'ed right out loud... and, yes yer right. :/ I do wish
we had better like... at least when someone posts a link, it
would be nice if it was just one tap and it loaded... you know? I
use syncterm, and I have to copy and paste and even tho its GOOD
- its not quick, nor easy really..
One thing that can help with that is to use an offline mail reader
such as MultiMail. I can (center)click on a link in a post, and
it opens in a browser. There are quite a few other benefits to
using an offline reader too, in my opinion.
Very well.... in my entire BBS history, I never used one! I guess
maybe I should give it a whirl... I've heard of BlueWave reader
but its for DOS. Is there any Linux offerings?
The best one that I know of, and use daily, is MultiMail. Native
version for Linux (and DOS/Win/Mac/OS2). Get it here:
https://multimail.sourceforge.io/
calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Seeing how the www has decayed into a completely different animal than what attracted me to begin with, I find that I'm more on bbs's nowadays than ever.
it has no sim card so she just uses it to play her kids youtube videos. she's not talking to child predators.
Just keep in mind you can still dial 911 from a phone with no sim card. I found this out the hard way with my little nephew.
He didn't actually dial 911 but 111 which I guess is an emergency number in another country but still forwards to 911 here in Canada.
My dialup line has gone months without a phonecall, then all of a
sudden I'll get a dozen in a week from multiple people. It goes in
bursts, and I have no idea why.
Voice calls? Or.. are these people actually executing keyboard commands?
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are complete drivel and/or are created specifically to drive consumerism, but I also learned several things watching cartoons when I was younger.
I also feel like they helped exercise my young imagination.
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are complete drivel and/or are created
specifically to drive consumerism, but I also learned several things watching cartoons when I was
younger.
I also feel like they helped exercise my young imagination.
* SLMR 2.1a * A Macintosh is an EtchaSketch you don't have to shake.
Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-a
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Tue Jul 28 2020 10:55 am
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are complete drivel
nd/or are createdwatching
specifically to drive consumerism, but I also learned several things
cartoons when I was
younger.
I also feel like they helped exercise my young imagination.
* SLMR 2.1a * A Macintosh is an EtchaSketch you don't have to shake.
I am going to come across as a grumpy old dude, but most of today's cartoons I have come across are very stupid in general.
I extend that to lots of entertainment media, such as reality shows.
Dunno, I remember some old shows that managed to convey some knowledge while being entertaining. "The
I didn't know Synchronet BBSes had any sort of user profiles you
could browse.. What kind of information would be in there there,
other than his BBS settings & preferences?
why should i say? so he can hide himself better and be a bigger dick? i looked him up.
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what
sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't
know there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a profile you could fill out for yourself.
There isn't.
It's just more of his hallucinations.
why should i say? so he can hide himself better and be a bigger
dick? i looked him up.
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what sort user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't know there wer profiles of other users you could look up, or a profile you could fil for yourself.
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the documentation.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are
complete drivel and/or are created specifically to drive
consumerism, but I also learned several things watching cartoons
when I was younger.
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the
documentation.
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who aren't around all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are complete regulars,
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are complete drivel and/or are created specifically to drive consumerism, but I also learned several things watching cartoons when I was younger.
I also feel like they helped exercise my young imagination.
* SLMR 2.1a * A Macintosh is an EtchaSketch you don't have to shake.
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: paulie420 to MRO on Tue Jul 28 2020 05:01 pm
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the
documentation.
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who aren't around
all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are complete regulars,
What does that mean? Did I come across as a dick in some way?
Nightfox
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: paulie420 to MRO on Tue Jul 28 2020 05:01 pm
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the
documentation.
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who aren around all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are complete regu
What does that mean? Did I come across as a dick in some way?
Nightfox
Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what
sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't
know there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a
profile you could fill out for yourself.
There isn't.
It's just more of his hallucinations.
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who
aren around all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are
complete regu
What does that mean? Did I come across as a dick in some way?
No - I always try to talk so as to not piss ANYONE off -
that means that Nightfox is a long timer, someone who gives TO the scene - and why would MRO act a dick to you when you were simply being ... normal.
nevermind; i should just watch all the BS go on by and not interject. :P
But no, Nightfox - you were completely normal and never a dick. But not so much for the other poster.
I think it's probably best to NOT let a young baby watch TV/video
until they're a little bit developed. Certainly *WAY* beyond 7
months.
In the 80's is when I noticed cartoons were turning into half hour cartoons for selling toys. I recall a live action series call Captain Power and the Soldiers of Future, and it was written by J Michael Stracynski. Each episode had interactive scenes that allowed the viewer at home to either score hits or take damage with a toy space ship with optical sensors built in. it was similar to the zapper games, where parts of the screen would flash at certain frequencies, and the ship's receiver would pick them up. For example, an interactive scene may involve your ship chasing another ship and you're viewing the other ship from a cockpit's view. The engines and the gun turrets will be flashing boxes you could shoot at. If the co-pilot says "take evasive action," you would turn the ship away from the screen so the eye won't record damage.
I do know of people who think of the TV (and more so now, the ipad) as a form of babysitter, but I do agree there is something that seems a little too young about it. They really need to have parental interraction at such a young age.
Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Tue Jul 28 2020 10:55 am
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are completea
drivel
nd/or are created
specifically to drive consumerism, but I also learned several thingswatching
cartoons when I was
younger.
I also feel like they helped exercise my young imagination.
I have young kids so I get to watch a lot of the new shows, and most are dumb. There are a few rare good ones, Bluey, Ben and Holly's Magic Kingdom, Peppa Pig, but they are for younger children. The ones for my older daughter are either a bit infantile, or just silly. They lack themes, archetypes and any seriousness, as if children will never need to grow up. Most of these shows don't seem to have a point at all, except to showcase the creators idiosyncracies and favoured affectations. My older daughter prefers to watch shows and movies that are "funny", that is to say, silly and anything.
There is one clear exception, Pixar. Pixar movies both convey meaning and information and are loved by kids.
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who aren't around all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are complete regulars,
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: paulie420 to MRO on Tue Jul 28 2020 05:01 pm
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the
documentation.
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who
aren't around all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are
complete regulars,
What does that mean? Did I come across as a dick in some way?
In the 80's is when I noticed cartoons were turning into half hour cartoons for selling toys. I recall a live action series call Captain Power and the Soldiers of Future, and it was written by J Michael Stracynski. Each episode had interactive scenes that allowed the viewer at
Dreamer wrote to Gamgee <=-
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what
sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't
know there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a
profile you could fill out for yourself.
There isn't.
It's just more of his hallucinations.
Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
I think it's probably best to NOT let a young baby watch TV/video
until they're a little bit developed. Certainly *WAY* beyond 7
months.
I do know of people who think of the TV (and more so now, the
ipad) as a form of babysitter, but I do agree there is something
that seems a little too young about it. They really need to have
parental interraction at such a young age.
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dennisk to Arelor on Wed Jul 29 2020 09:53 am
Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Tue Jul 28 2020 10:55 am
You're a moron. Watching cartoons is not "intellectual stimuli".
I think that might depend on the cartoon. Some of them are completea
drivel
nd/or are created
specifically to drive consumerism, but I also learned several thingswatching
cartoons when I was
younger.
I also feel like they helped exercise my young imagination.
I have young kids so I get to watch a lot of the new shows, and most are dumb. There are a few rare good ones, Bluey, Ben and Holly's Magic Kingdom, Peppa Pig, but they are for younger children. The ones for my older daughter are either a bit infantile, or just silly. They lack themes, archetypes and any seriousness, as if children will never need to grow up. Most of these shows don't seem to have a point at all, except to showcase the creators idiosyncracies and favoured affectations. My older daughter prefers to watch shows and movies that are "funny", that is to say, silly and anything.
There is one clear exception, Pixar. Pixar movies both convey meaning and information and are loved by kids.
there's a lot of educational stuff out there. it doesnt replace real teaching, but it's better than nothing.
kids are intellectual sponges so it's important to give them good stuff
to soak up.
i'm also getting into kidz bop. those kids are pretty talented dancers. it's a shame they phase them out when they get old.
It's just more of his hallucinations.
Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
Had to look that one up... Looks like it's used by the Finger
service. Honestly, how many users would know/use that? Or even
how many sysops have that enabled on their boards?
MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-
Jesus... NF is like - ahhh I dunno... I can understand folks who aren't around all the time, but why be a dick to folks who are complete regulars,
this isnt a bbs support issue.
he is being autistic and harping on shit about my little fan gamgee
who likes to try to troll em with different names.
fuck off.
i'm also getting into kidz bop. those kids are pretty talented
dancers.
it's a shame they phase them out when they get old.
Maybe. I don't let my kids roam free on the internet, so its just whats on free to air, and its not that appealing.
Never heard of Kids Bop.
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dreamer to Gamgee on Wed Jul 29 2020 07:09:00
It's just more of his hallucinations.
Dreamer> Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
true but a .plan is not a .profile ;)
In the 80's is when I noticed cartoons were turning into half hour cartoon for selling toys. I recall a live action series call Captain Power and th Soldiers of Future, and it was written by J Michael Stracynski. Each epis had interactive scenes that allowed the viewer at home to either score hit or take damage with a toy space ship with optical sensors built in. it wa similar to the zapper games, where parts of the screen would flash at cert frequencies, and the ship's receiver would pick them up. For example, an interactive scene may involve your ship chasing another ship and you're viewing the other ship from a cockpit's view. The engines and the gun turrets will be flashing boxes you could shoot at. If the co-pilot says "take evasive action," you would turn the ship away from the screen so the eye won't record damage.
I am not familiar with that one, but it sounds even worse than any examples I could think of.
He-Man was supposedly created by a toy company and was a vehicle to sell
the toys related to the cartoon.
* SLMR 2.1a * So many messages ... So little time left.
Gamgee wrote to Dreamer <=-
Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
Had to look that one up... Looks like it's used by the Finger
service. Honestly, how many users would know/use that? Or even
how many sysops have that enabled on their boards?
My answers to those to questions are: "zero", and "near-zero".
Rampage wrote to Dreamer <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dreamer to Gamgee on Wed Jul 29 2020 07:09:00
It's just more of his hallucinations.
Dreamer> Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
true but a .plan is not a .profile ;)
Rampage wrote to Gamgee <=-
Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
Had to look that one up... Looks like it's used by the Finger
service. Honestly, how many users would know/use that? Or even
how many sysops have that enabled on their boards?
it is enabled by default, tho ;)
it may not work, however, if the operator doesn't open the needed
port(s) through their firewall...
when sitting at the main menu, CTRL-P I loads the "active user"
stuff and uses these protocols to display what's happening (users
logging on/off, playing games, reading messages, etc) on other
sbbs systems...
eg: this cut from my system right now... blank lines inserted to
avoid word-wrap hell... the "Private:" line is the prompt from
the CTRL-P keystroke...
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
i'm also getting into kidz bop. those kids are pretty talented dancers. it's a shame they phase them out when they get old.
Maybe. I don't let my kids roam free on the internet, so its
just whats on free to air, and its not that appealing.
Never heard of Kids Bop.
MRO wrote to Rampage <=-
It's just more of his hallucinations.
Dreamer> Users can edit their plan file using the ;plan command.
true but a .plan is not a .profile ;)
i dont know why you dipshits keep going on about it.
it's not just about his finger plan.
just shut up about it already.
Gamgee wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
i'm also getting into kidz bop. those kids are pretty talented dancers. it's a shame they phase them out when they get old.
Maybe. I don't let my kids roam free on the internet, so its
just whats on free to air, and its not that appealing.
That's a good practice/policy.
Never heard of Kids Bop.
It's a dancing fad which appeals to 8 year olds, and pedophiles.
Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Wed Jul 29 2020 04:25 pm
In the 80's is when I noticed cartoons were turning into half hour cartoon for selling toys. I recall a live action series call Captain Power and th Soldiers of Future, and it was written by J Michael Stracynski. Each epis had interactive scenes that allowed the viewer at home to either score hit or take damage with a toy space ship with optical sensors built in. it wa similar to the zapper games, where parts of the screen would flash at cert frequencies, and the ship's receiver would pick them up. For example, an interactive scene may involve your ship chasing another ship and you're viewing the other ship from a cockpit's view. The engines and the gun turrets will be flashing boxes you could shoot at. If the co-pilot says "take evasive action," you would turn the ship away from the screen so the eye won't record damage.
I am not familiar with that one, but it sounds even worse than any examples I could think of.
He-Man was supposedly created by a toy company and was a vehicle to sell
the toys related to the cartoon.
* SLMR 2.1a * So many messages ... So little time left.
He Man, GI Joe, Transformers, MASK, and quite a few others were made to sell toys. Captain Power was much better written than most
product-based programming.
true but a .plan is not a .profile ;)
i dont know why you dipshits keep going on about it.
just shut up about it already.
That is true. I think the 80's were the transition period between when cartoons were about the cartoon (ie, Looney Tunes, which I loved as a kid) and todays pure merchandising opportunities. With Transformers, I think in some ways, even though it was designed to sell toys, was still used by people as a vehicle for story telling.
Nightfox wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: The worst thing about
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Fri Jul 31 2020 08:12 pm
That is true. I think the 80's were the transition period between when cartoons were about the cartoon (ie, Looney Tunes, which I loved as a kid) and todays pure merchandising opportunities. With Transformers, I think in some ways, even though it was designed to sell toys, was still used by people as a vehicle for story telling.
I imagine some cartoons these days are still about the cartoons. But there are definitely some that are about selling toys. I have a niece
who likes to watch "Barbie Life in the Dreamhouse", which is a computer animated show on Netflix with the Barbie doll, and it seems like
someone playing with the dolls but in a CGI animated version. The CGI characters on the show even have plastic seams & things, and there are even occasional meta-jokes in the show about them being made of plastic
& stuff..
He Man, GI Joe, Transformers, MASK, and quite a few others were made to sell toys. Captain Power was much better written than most product-based programming.
That is true. I think the 80's were the transition period between when cartoons were about the cartoon (ie, Looney Tunes, which I loved as a kid) a todays pure merchandising opportunities. With Transformers, I think in some ways, even though it was designed to sell toys, was still used by people as vehicle for story telling.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
MRO wrote to Rampage <=-
i dont know why you dipshits keep going on about it.
it's not just about his finger plan.
Since most FAX machines were 9600 or 14.4k, that's all that most VOIP providers tend to actually support. I had a dialup line setup for
about 3-5 months back in 2002 or so. In that time, there were only 2
dial in connections, both test connections I ran myself... I took those off and stuck to telnet after thta.
Daryl Stout wrote to Tracker1 <=-
running the Classic Phone Tools that came with the US Robotics
software CD under Windows 10, but have that for a fax line, for
incoming faxes. Years ago, with running GT Power under dial-up, I
had InterMail at the frontend, GT Power as the BBS, and BGFAX at the backend. This way, I could do FIDONet Netmail, GT Power Netmail,
human BBS callers, and faxes.
I remember wanting to get one of those deals where you had 2 numbers on one line, and each rang differently. You could use the fax software to only pick up the calls on one of the lines.
Those were fun days, getting everything running. I remember wanting
to get one of those deals where you had 2 numbers on one line, and
each rang differently. You could use the fax software to only pick up
the calls on one of the lines.
She got her own phone number and it just rang differently on the main house line. Heaven help you if you ever answered the phone when
someone called her number...
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