• TeleMate dialing directory

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Thursday, July 02, 2020 22:19:32
    Does anyone use TeleMate (in DOSBox) to call BBSes? Usually these days I've been using SyncTerm, but TeleMate was my favorite in the 90s. Recently I have set up TeleMate in DOSBox and have been able to telnet into BBSes with TeleMate with DOSBox's modem emulation.

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory, supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course, there's no BBS information in that entry for it to use). I was curious if there's something I forgot about adding an entry into TeleMate's dialing directory, or perhaps if it has some weird behavior in DOSBox?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nkeck72@VERT/FINALZON to Nightfox on Friday, July 03, 2020 05:49:22
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Nightfox to All on Thu Jul 02 2020 10:19 pm

    Does anyone use TeleMate (in DOSBox) to call BBSes? Usually these days I've Recently I have set up TeleMate in DOSBox and have been able to telnet into BBSes with TeleMate with DOSBox's modem emulation.

    How have you managed to do that? I tried following the instructions in the comments of dosbox.conf but I must be missing something. I typically use MS-Kermit as my terminal emulator in DOS.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Nkeck72 on Friday, July 03, 2020 09:23:32
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Nkeck72 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 05:49 am

    Does anyone use TeleMate (in DOSBox) to call BBSes? Usually these
    days I've Recently I have set up TeleMate in DOSBox and have been able
    to telnet into BBSes with TeleMate with DOSBox's modem emulation.

    How have you managed to do that? I tried following the instructions in the comments of dosbox.conf but I must be missing something. I typically use MS-Kermit as my terminal emulator in DOS.

    I believe the modem emulation was already configured by default with DOSBox.. I just had to run Telemate, and then you can telnet into a BBS with ATDT and then the IP address/internet address. I think it was already set up for COM1 which was working with the modem emulation.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Friday, July 03, 2020 12:46:47
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Nightfox to All on Thu Jul 02 2020 10:19 pm

    Does anyone use TeleMate (in DOSBox) to call BBSes? Usually these days I've been using SyncTerm, but TeleMate was my favorite in the 90s. Recently I have set up TeleMate in DOSBox and have been able to telnet into BBSes with TeleMate with DOSBox's modem emulation.

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory, supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course, there's no BBS information in that entry for it to use). I was curious if there's something I forgot about adding an entry into TeleMate's dialing directory, or perhaps if it has some weird behavior in DOSBox?

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6. Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with mostly all default settings. Tried a Zmodem download and it failed, just as it seems to with other telecom programs I've used in DOSBox. Timing issues as I recall, not sure that can be fixed. Anyway... the key is to use F6 for editing the phone book.

    I much prefer Telix for DOS telecom, personally.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Friday, July 03, 2020 12:29:33
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 12:46 pm

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory,
    supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS
    entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course,

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6. Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with

    I'll have to give that a try. Now that I think about it though, I think dialing directories for DOS comm programs probably only accept a phone number,
    so I don't think I could use the dialing directory for telnet addresses anyway.

    I much prefer Telix for DOS telecom, personally.

    I liked Telix too, though in the 90s, Telemate ended up being my favorite. One thing I thought was cool about Telemate was that Telemate could control the CD-ROM drive to play a music CD while you're browsing BBSes etc.. I suppose I just got used to the overall look & feel of Telemate and its feature set too.

    Now that I have a version of Telix set up that seems to work semi-okay in DOSBox, I might use that from time to time too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Friday, July 03, 2020 21:38:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 12:46 pm

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory,
    supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS
    entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course,

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6. Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with

    I'll have to give that a try. Now that I think about it though,
    I think dialing directories for DOS comm programs probably only
    accept a phone number, so I don't think I could use the dialing
    directory for telnet addresses anyway.

    I used the IP address of my system on the local LAN and it worked
    fine. Didn't try putting in a "bbs.domain.net" type address.



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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Friday, July 03, 2020 16:46:30
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 12:46 pm

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6. Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with mostly all default settings. Tried a Zmodem download and it failed, just as it seems to with other telecom programs I've used in DOSBox. Timing issues as I recall, not sure that can be fixed. Anyway... the key is to use F6 for editing the phone book.

    I much prefer Telix for DOS telecom, personally.

    I know it was late in the BBS game, but did anyone ELSE use Terminate 5.00? I remember when Terminate came around... it has scripts; for logging on... or auto-playing Tradewars, etc.. and it was just pretty sick. Had all the bells and whistles of a comm program; and sure it was later in the BBS timeline... but it was good. Whenever I use that under DOSBOX, the ANSI never comes out just right... and in fact, its not even useable IMO - like... I don't get correct ANSI graphics at all.

    But I wanna use the termbox version of DOSBOX we've been talking about on here, cause if I could get TER500 to work PERFECTLY I think it might be a contender even for a daily driver ...

    for me, anyway.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Gamgee on Saturday, August 01, 2020 14:39:49
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 12:46 pm

    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Nightfox to All on Thu Jul 02 2020 10:19 pm

    Does anyone use TeleMate (in DOSBox) to call BBSes? Usually these days I've been using SyncTerm, but TeleMate was my favorite in the 90s. Recently I have set up TeleMate in DOSBox and have been able to telnet into BBSes with TeleMate with DOSBox's modem emulation.

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory, supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course, there's no BBS information in that entry for it to use). I was curious if there's something I forgot about adding an entry into TeleMate's dialing directory, or perhaps if it has some weird behavior in DOSBox?

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6. Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with mostly all default settings. Tried a Zmodem download and it failed, just as it seems to with other telecom programs I've used in DOSBox. Timing issues as I recall, not sure that can be fixed. Anyway... the key is to use F6 for editing the phone book.

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23), likely, those file transfers will work just fine:
    atd yourbbs:513


    digital man

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Digital Man on Saturday, August 01, 2020 17:51:45
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Sat Aug 01 2020 02:39 pm

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23),

    Really? Maybe it's different on *nix vs Windows, 'cause I've used dosbox with both Telix and Ripterm off and on for years just for giggles, and never had a problem with downloads working out of the box.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Underminer on Saturday, August 01, 2020 20:46:30
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Underminer to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 05:51 pm

    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Sat Aug 01 2020 02:39 pm

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23),

    Really? Maybe it's different on *nix vs Windows, 'cause I've used dosbox with both Telix and Ripterm off and on for years just for giggles, and never had a problem with downloads working out of the box.

    Maybe you did something to enable Telnet?

    digital man

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Saturday, August 01, 2020 21:57:00
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory, supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course, there's no BBS information in that entry for it to use). I was curious if there's something I forgot about adding an entry into TeleMate's dialing directory, or perhaps if it has some weird behavior in DOSBox?

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6. Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with mostly all default settings. Tried a Zmodem download and it failed, just as it seems to with other telecom programs I've used in DOSBox. Timing issues as I recall, not sure that can be fixed. Anyway... the key is to use F6 for editing the phone book.

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet
    BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513)
    instead of Telnet (23), likely, those file transfers will work
    just fine: atd yourbbs:513

    Excellent, thanks DM. I'll be testing this again very soon,
    appreciate the info!



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Gamgee on Saturday, August 01, 2020 21:44:54
    Re: Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 09:57 pm

    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    It has been a long time, but in TeleMate's dialing directory, supposedly you should be able to press Insert to insert a new BBS entry. However, when I press insert, it tries to dial (and of course, there's no BBS information in that entry for it to use). I was curious if there's something I forgot about adding an entry into TeleMate's dialing directory, or perhaps if it has some weird behavior in DOSBox?

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6.
    Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with mostly all default settings. Tried a Zmodem download and it failed, just as it seems to with other telecom programs I've used in DOSBox. Timing issues as I recall, not sure that can be fixed. Anyway... the key is to use F6 for editing the phone book.

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet
    BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23), likely, those file transfers will work
    just fine: atd yourbbs:513

    Excellent, thanks DM. I'll be testing this again very soon,
    appreciate the info!

    BTW, by looking at the DOSBox source code, I found out how you enable telnet support for the built-in soft modem: type "ATNET1" before dialing the BBS. "ATNET0" turns off Telnet support. Pretty stupid. Is this even documented anywhere? Oh, and that DOSBox source code is pretty sad stuff (at least where the serial/modem/telnet stuff is implemented).

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Underminer on Saturday, August 01, 2020 22:07:05
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Underminer on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:46 pm

    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Underminer to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 05:51 pm

    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Sat Aug 01 2020 02:39 pm

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23),

    Really? Maybe it's different on *nix vs Windows, 'cause I've used dosbox with both Telix and Ripterm off and on for years just for giggles, and never had a problem with downloads working out of the box.

    Maybe you did something to enable Telnet?

    Oh, FYI: https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/bugs/538/

    digital man

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 00:25:33
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Underminer on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:46 pm

    Maybe you did something to enable Telnet?

    It's entirely possible I edited a conf in a half asleep state at some point, but I don't THINK I did.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Underminer on Saturday, August 01, 2020 23:37:15
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Underminer to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:25 am

    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Underminer on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:46 pm

    Maybe you did something to enable Telnet?

    It's entirely possible I edited a conf in a half asleep state at some point, but I don't THINK I did.

    As it turns out, there's actually nothing you *can* edit in the conf file to enable Telnet mode (unless you were using the 'nullmodem' setting). The only way I see currently to enable Telnet mode for 'modem' serial devices is via the "ATNET1" command sent to the soft-modem before "calling" a Telnet BBS.

    digital man

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 00:31:41
    Re: Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Gamgee on Sat Aug 01 2020 09:44 pm

    the BBS. "ATNET0" turns off Telnet support. Pretty stupid. Is this even documented anywhere? Oh, and that DOSBox source code is pretty sad stuff (at least where the serial/modem/telnet stuff is implemented).

    Unsurprising, as I'm pretty sure networking of any sort was only given enough attention to make Dos games playable in multiplayer on modern systems.
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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 02:21:48
    Re: TeleMate dialing directory
    By: Digital Man to Underminer on Sat Aug 01 2020 11:37 pm

    only way I see currently to enable Telnet mode for 'modem' serial devices is via the "ATNET1" command sent to the soft-modem before "calling" a Telnet BBS.
    digital man

    You're likely right. Checked my "modem" init strings and they did indeed contain that. I have no recollection of adding that in, but who know how many eons ago I did.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Underminer on Sunday, August 02, 2020 21:58:00
    On 08-01-20 17:51, Underminer wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Really? Maybe it's different on *nix vs Windows, 'cause I've used
    dosbox with both Telix and Ripterm off and on for years just for
    giggles, and never had a problem with downloads working out of the box.

    I've never had a problem with downloads, but uploads using DOSBox, that's a different matter. That's when running the terminal end on DOSBox.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 22:00:00
    On 08-01-20 21:44, Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    BTW, by looking at the DOSBox source code, I found out how you enable telnet support for the built-in soft modem: type "ATNET1" before
    dialing the BBS. "ATNET0" turns off Telnet support. Pretty stupid. Is
    this even documented anywhere? Oh, and that DOSBox source code is
    pretty sad stuff (at least where the serial/modem/telnet stuff is implemented).

    Thanks, I've never seen that documented! I'll have to try tweaking my Telix init string sometime. :)


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 07:51:00
    Digital Man wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I set this up in DOSBox this morning to check it out. I got the same strange results with the Insert key (using Telemate v4.20). I paged through the (rather difficult to follow) "Help" screens (F1 I think), and eventually saw that "F6" allows editing a phone book entry. Went back to the main phone book page, press Enter on the first line, and then F6.
    Now the entry is edit-able. Put in my own system and connected just fine, with mostly all default settings. Tried a Zmodem download and it failed, just as it seems to with other telecom programs I've used in DOSBox. Timing issues as I recall, not sure that can be fixed. Anyway... the key is to use F6 for editing the phone book.

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet
    BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23), likely, those file transfers will work
    just fine: atd yourbbs:513

    Excellent, thanks DM. I'll be testing this again very soon,
    appreciate the info!

    BTW, by looking at the DOSBox source code, I found out how you
    enable telnet support for the built-in soft modem: type "ATNET1"
    before dialing the BBS. "ATNET0" turns off Telnet support. Pretty
    stupid. Is this even documented anywhere? Oh, and that DOSBox
    source code is pretty sad stuff (at least where the
    serial/modem/telnet stuff is implemented).

    SWEET! Nice work there! Thank you again for looking into this.
    It's certainly not documented anywhere that I've found...



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 07:52:00
    Digital Man wrote to Underminer <=-

    The problem is that DOSBox and its shims to connect to Internet BBSes don't actually support Telnet (or may require some special configuration to enable). If you connect to an RLogin port (513) instead of Telnet (23),

    Really? Maybe it's different on *nix vs Windows, 'cause I've used dosbox with both Telix and Ripterm off and on for years just for giggles, and never had a problem with downloads working out of the box.

    Maybe you did something to enable Telnet?

    Oh, FYI: https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/bugs/538/

    Perfect! Hopefully they'll implement your suggestions and fix
    this.



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