• Windows 3.1 Terminal

    From Basschestra@VERT/DMINE to All on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 07:46:41
    Hello again!
    So I installed Windows 3.1 on my virtualbox. I was browsing menus and I found a Terminal. I started it up and dialbox appeared to set new connection.
    Can anyone help? I don't know how to set it up.
    Thanks!!!
    Basschestra

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Basschestra on Tuesday, June 30, 2020 20:24:00
    Basschestra wrote to All <=-

    Hello again!
    So I installed Windows 3.1 on my virtualbox. I was browsing menus
    and I found a Terminal. I started it up and dialbox appeared to
    set new connection. Can anyone help? I don't know how to set it
    up. Thanks!!!

    Well, a 4-second google search found this:

    http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/a06a.htm



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  • From Basschestra@VERT/DMINE to Gamgee on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 03:02:36
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Gamgee to Basschestra on Tue Jun 30 2020 08:24 pm

    Basschestra wrote to All <=-

    Hello again!
    So I installed Windows 3.1 on my virtualbox. I was browsing menus
    and I found a Terminal. I started it up and dialbox appeared to
    set new connection. Can anyone help? I don't know how to set it
    up. Thanks!!!

    Well, a 4-second google search found this:

    http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/a06a.htm



    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
    THANK YOU I NOW FIXED MY PROBLEm.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Basschestra on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 09:07:42
    Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Basschestra to All on Tue Jun 30 2020 07:46 am

    So I installed Windows 3.1 on my virtualbox. I was browsing menus and I found a Terminal. I started it up and dialbox appeared to set new connection. Can anyone help? I don't know how to set it up.
    Thanks!!!

    I'm wondering if it might be easier to do that with DOSBox. DOSBox can emulate a modem to be used over telnet, so you can use old communication programs with telnet BBSes (you can say ATDT with an IP address or internet address to have it connect). Windows 3.1 seems to run decently in DOSBox too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 14:04:00
    On 01 Jul 2020, Nightfox said the following...

    I'm wondering if it might be easier to do that with DOSBox. DOSBox can em a modem to be used over telnet, so you can use old communication programs elnet BBSes (you can say ATDT with an IP address or internet address to ha connect).

    I've been meaning to give this a try with Telix. It'd be fun to give that a spin again!

    Jay

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 13:37:28
    Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to Basschestra on Wed Jul 01 2020 09:07 am

    I'm wondering if it might be easier to do that with DOSBox. DOSBox can emulate a modem to be used over telnet, so you can use old communication programs with telnet BBSes (you can say ATDT with an IP address or internet address to have it connect). Windows 3.1 seems to run decently in DOSBox too.

    There's a version of DOSBOX that emulates a NE2000 ethernet card, too. I have it working with packet drivers and am trying to get Windows for Workgroups 3.11 networking to work alongside it.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Warpslide on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 14:18:54
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Wed Jul 01 2020 02:04 pm

    I'm wondering if it might be easier to do that with DOSBox. DOSBox
    can em a modem to be used over telnet, so you can use old
    communication programs elnet BBSes (you can say ATDT with an IP
    address or internet address to ha connect).

    I've been meaning to give this a try with Telix. It'd be fun to give that a spin again!

    I've tried Telix in DOSBox (version 0.74.3). For some reason, Telix didn't seem to be rendering ANSI properly in DOXBox for me. I've also tried Telemate (my old favorite comm program), which seems to work better in DOSBox for me. I've heard Telix has worked fine for others in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some different DOSBox settings that might help with Telix.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 14:19:56
    Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jul 01 2020 01:37 pm

    I'm wondering if it might be easier to do that with DOSBox. DOSBox
    can emulate a modem to be used over telnet, so you can use old
    communication programs with telnet BBSes (you can say ATDT with an
    IP address or internet address to have it connect). Windows 3.1
    seems to run decently in DOSBox too.

    There's a version of DOSBOX that emulates a NE2000 ethernet card, too. I have it working with packet drivers and am trying to get Windows for Workgroups 3.11 networking to work alongside it.

    I've downloaded that version of DOSBox and have tried to get ethernet working in Windows 3.1. Windows 3.1 was still having an issue with the network device for me, and I haven't spent the time yet to try to get it working.

    Nightfox

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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 22:01:00
    On 01 Jul 2020, Nightfox said the following...

    I've tried Telix in DOSBox (version 0.74.3). For some reason, Telix didn'
    to be rendering ANSI properly in DOXBox for me. I've also tried Telemate ld favorite comm program), which seems to work better in DOSBox for me. I ard Telix has w

    It was a really slow day for work (being Canada Day) so I took the plunge & installed DOSBox & downloaded Telix. It was a lot easier than I expected. I found a Reddit thread from a few years back that had the line to edit in the config. He also pointed out that going faster than 19,200 caused a lot of "line noise" which was certainly the case.

    A fun little nostalgia trip, glad I did it, but I'm happy w/ SyncTerm. ;)

    Jay

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Warpslide on Wednesday, July 01, 2020 20:52:20
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Wed Jul 01 2020 10:01 pm

    It was a really slow day for work (being Canada Day) so I took the plunge & installed DOSBox & downloaded Telix. It was a lot easier than I expected. I found a Reddit thread from a few years back that had the line to edit in the config. He also pointed out that going faster than 19,200 caused a lot of "line noise" which was certainly the case.

    Interesting to know.. I'll give that a try.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, July 02, 2020 02:06:33
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to Warpslide on Wed Jul 01 2020 02:18 pm


    I've tried Telix in DOSBox (version 0.74.3). For some reason, Telix didn't seem to be rendering ANSI properly in DOXBox for me. I've also tried Telema (my old favorite comm program), which seems to work better in DOSBox for me. I've heard Telix has worked fine for others in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some different DOSBox settings that might help wi Telix.

    did you try bbstermbox? works ok there.
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  • From basschestra@VERT/ABINARY to Nightfox on Thursday, July 02, 2020 04:28:00
    Well I didn't knew that dosbox can emulate modem.
    Thanks. I will try that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, July 02, 2020 08:53:05
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jul 02 2020 02:06 am

    I've tried Telix in DOSBox (version 0.74.3). For some reason, Telix
    didn't seem to be rendering ANSI properly in DOXBox for me. I've also
    tried Telema (my old favorite comm program), which seems to work
    better in DOSBox for me. I've heard Telix has worked fine for others
    in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some
    different DOSBox settings that might help wi Telix.

    did you try bbstermbox? works ok there.

    I haven't tried that. Maybe I should go find it and give it a try.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, July 02, 2020 14:17:45
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:53 am

    in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some
    different DOSBox settings that might help wi Telix.

    did you try bbstermbox? works ok there.

    I haven't tried that. Maybe I should go find it and give it a try.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, July 02, 2020 19:08:38
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jul 02 2020 02:17 pm

    in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some
    different DOSBox settings that might help wi Telix.

    did you try bbstermbox? works ok there.

    I haven't tried that. Maybe I should go find it and give it a try.

    http:// bbses.info / termbox /

    Interesting.. That one has Telix 3.51 in it, which seems to work in my DOSBox setup better than my copy of Telix was working. For some reason I had set up Telix 3.22, even though I also have Telix 3.51 for download on my BBS..

    Nightfox

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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Warpslide on Thursday, July 02, 2020 19:37:57
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Wed Jul 01 2020 02:04 pm

    On 01 Jul 2020, Nightfox said the following...

    I'm wondering if it might be easier to do that with DOSBox. DOSBox
    can em a modem to be used over telnet, so you can use old
    communication programs elnet BBSes (you can say ATDT with an IP
    address or internet address to ha connect).

    I've been meaning to give this a try with Telix. It'd be fun to give that a spin again!

    Jay

    I tried with Terminate 5.0 and the ANSI never formatted correctly. Sucks too, because I'd love to use TER5.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to basschestra on Thursday, July 02, 2020 20:36:56
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: basschestra to Nightfox on Thu Jul 02 2020 04:28 am

    Well I didn't knew that dosbox can emulate modem.
    Thanks. I will try that.

    You'll have to ask where the software is first. And how to install it. And....

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to paulie420 on Friday, July 03, 2020 09:25:42
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: paulie420 to basschestra on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:36 pm

    Well I didn't knew that dosbox can emulate modem.
    Thanks. I will try that.

    You'll have to ask where the software is first. And how to install it. And....

    All that information can be found online (with Google, or DuckDuckGo, or whatever your favorite search engine might be).

    Nightfox

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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Nightfox on Friday, July 03, 2020 16:39:05
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Fri Jul 03 2020 09:25 am

    Well I didn't knew that dosbox can emulate modem.
    Thanks. I will try that.
    You'll have to ask where the software is first. And how to install
    it. And....

    All that information can be found online (with Google, or DuckDuckGo, or whatever your favorite search engine might be).
    Nightfox

    You know the funny bit; I always try to like... search for keywords or exact quotes of an issue I'm having... but my girlfriend showed me, especially on Google but even on DuckDuckGo, that even just asking whatever the damn question is that you're trying to answer... that works surprisingly well.

    Like she'll just search 'Whats the best restaurant around me right now' or 'top 10 live music venues in portland' or whatever... simply searching the normal conversation type question that you want answered & Goole/duck will do all the heavy listing. In fact, sometimes her way of just asking does a better job at my... computer minding it.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to paulie420 on Saturday, July 04, 2020 10:20:00
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 04:39 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Fri Jul 03 2020 09:25 am

    Well I didn't knew that dosbox can emulate modem.
    Thanks. I will try that.
    You'll have to ask where the software is first. And how to install
    it. And....

    All that information can be found online (with Google, or DuckDuckGo, o whatever your favorite search engine might be).
    Nightfox

    You know the funny bit; I always try to like... search for keywords or exact
    to answer... that works surprisingly well.

    Like she'll just search 'Whats the best restaurant around me right now' or ' fact, sometimes her way of just asking does a better job at my... computer m

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    Search engines have gone a long way. On the TV seres Halt and Catch Fire
    they dramatized what the search engine designers were encountering regarding relevance of searches. A search for the Dallas Cowboys could either bring up the football franchise, or a small group of single action pistol shooters
    based in Dallas.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Warpslide on Thursday, July 02, 2020 07:03:00
    Warpslide wrote to Nightfox <=-

    A fun little nostalgia trip, glad I did it, but I'm happy w/ SyncTerm.
    ;)

    I did it just to hear that boop boop BEEP connect tone. So many
    nights I'd set a dozen or so BBSes to dial, and let it cycle through
    the busy signals in the other room. The connect tone would get my
    attention and I'd go log in.

    That's one difference between then and now - you wouldn't be sure of
    which BBS you connected to when you sat down!



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to paulie420 on Saturday, July 04, 2020 12:07:37
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Fri Jul 03 2020 04:39 pm

    You know the funny bit; I always try to like... search for keywords or exact quotes of an issue I'm having... but my girlfriend showed me, especially on Google but even on DuckDuckGo, that even just asking whatever the damn question is that you're trying to answer... that works surprisingly well.

    Like she'll just search 'Whats the best restaurant around me right now' or 'top 10 live music venues in portland' or whatever... simply searching the normal conversation type question that you want answered & Goole/duck will do all the heavy listing. In fact, sometimes her way of just asking does a better job at my... computer minding it.

    That's a good tip. I've done that a few times. You have to know how to use the search engines to get the results you're looking for.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Sunday, July 05, 2020 19:06:00
    On 07-04-20 10:20, Moondog wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Search engines have gone a long way. On the TV seres Halt and Catch
    Fire they dramatized what the search engine designers were encountering regarding relevance of searches. A search for the Dallas Cowboys could either bring up the football franchise, or a small group of single
    action pistol shooters based in Dallas.

    I remember an issue in the late 90s. Back then, there was an AFL team called the Brisbane Bears (they no longer exist, as they merged with another team and became the Brisbane Lions). Anyway, putting "Brisbane Bears" into a search engine of the day would come up with results totally unexpected, and not really appropriate for young footy fans.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Sunday, July 05, 2020 07:41:00
    Moondog wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Search engines have gone a long way. On the TV seres Halt and Catch
    Fire they dramatized what the search engine designers were encountering regarding relevance of searches. A search for the Dallas Cowboys could either bring up the football franchise, or a small group of single
    action pistol shooters based in Dallas.

    I just finished the audiobook Into the Plex - it's about the
    beginnings of Google, and goes into great detail about what made
    Google beat out the Alta Vistas, Yahoos, and Excites of the day.

    Definitely worth checking out.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, July 05, 2020 11:59:36
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sun Jul 05 2020 07:41 am

    Moondog wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Search engines have gone a long way. On the TV seres Halt and Catch Fire they dramatized what the search engine designers were encountering regarding relevance of searches. A search for the Dallas Cowboys could either bring up the football franchise, or a small group of single action pistol shooters based in Dallas.

    I just finished the audiobook Into the Plex - it's about the
    beginnings of Google, and goes into great detail about what made
    Google beat out the Alta Vistas, Yahoos, and Excites of the day.

    Definitely worth checking out.


    whats the name of the audiobook
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Sunday, July 05, 2020 21:45:09
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 05 2020 11:59 am

    whats the name of the audiobook

    "Into the Plex"

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, July 06, 2020 21:07:40
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2020 09:45 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 05 2020 11:59 am

    whats the name of the audiobook

    "Into the Plex"


    sorry i misunderstood you. i thought you were saying you put it into your plex server.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Monday, July 06, 2020 20:44:00
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 05 2020 11:59 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Sun Jul 05 2020 07:41 am

    Moondog wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Search engines have gone a long way. On the TV seres Halt and Catch Fire they dramatized what the search engine designers were encounter regarding relevance of searches. A search for the Dallas Cowboys co either bring up the football franchise, or a small group of single action pistol shooters based in Dallas.

    I just finished the audiobook Into the Plex - it's about the
    beginnings of Google, and goes into great detail about what made
    Google beat out the Alta Vistas, Yahoos, and Excites of the day.

    Definitely worth checking out.


    whats the name of the audiobook

    The Natgeo Channel had a mini-series called Valley of the Boom, which chronicled companies that were either ahead of their time or didn't know how
    to monetize what they had. In between all the little stories of startups, there was the battle between Netscape and Microsoft, and how Netscape went
    from being worth a whole lot to becoming an honorable mention. Funny thing
    is the Mozilla name and mascot pre-dated the open source side of the company.
    They coined the term for being the successor of Mosaic.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 01, 2020 13:03:19
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jul 02 2020 02:17 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:53 am

    in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some
    different DOSBox settings that might help wi Telix.

    did you try bbstermbox? works ok there.

    I haven't tried that. Maybe I should go find it and give it a try.


    http:// bbses.info / termbox /

    http://bbses.info/termbox/termbox.dosbox.installer.with.terminal.programs.rar

    RAR? Seriously?

    But to whoever created this package: very cool. Thank you!

    But once installed (on Windows 10), I don't get any new start menu options. The included readme.txt says "Select software from start menu". I'm not sure if that's referring to the Windows start menu, but there's nothing new there. I'll figure how to start the installed dosbox.exe with the included *.conf files manually, but this installer (or the doc?) needs some help, at least with Windows 10.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 01, 2020 13:29:19
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Aug 01 2020 01:03 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jul 02 2020 02:17 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:53 am

    in DOSBox though. Maybe there's another build of DOSBox or some
    different DOSBox settings that might help wi Telix.

    did you try bbstermbox? works ok there.

    I haven't tried that. Maybe I should go find it and give it a try.


    http:// bbses.info / termbox /

    http://bbses.info/termbox/termbox.dosbox.installer.with.terminal.programs.ra r

    RAR? Seriously?

    But to whoever created this package: very cool. Thank you!

    But once installed (on Windows 10), I don't get any new start menu options. The included readme.txt says "Select software from start menu". I'm not sure if that's referring to the Windows start menu, but there's nothing new there. I'll figure how to start the installed dosbox.exe with the included *.conf files manually, but this installer (or the doc?) needs some help, at least with Windows 10.

    To load a DOSBox .conf file via command-line, you run "dosbox -conf <path/name.conf>", so in a command prompt (run as admin), you can you can run C:\Program Files (x86)\termbox>dosbox -conf telix.conf

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Saturday, August 01, 2020 20:43:50
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Aug 01 2020 01:03 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many advantages.

    But to whoever created this package: very cool. Thank you!

    But once installed (on Windows 10), I don't get any new start menu options. The included readme.txt says "Select software from start menu".



    https://i.imgur.com/ZWoWsyG.png


    i'm on windows 10
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 01, 2020 20:45:44
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:43 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Aug 01 2020 01:03 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many advantages.

    RAR is obscure and not nearly as widely supported as ZIP. When making an install package, I would try to make something either a self-extracting .exe or at-last archive as ZIP. You know, to make it easier for the average user to actually install.

    But to whoever created this package: very cool. Thank you!

    But once installed (on Windows 10), I don't get any new start menu options. The included readme.txt says "Select software from start menu".



    https://i.imgur.com/ZWoWsyG.png


    i'm on windows 10

    Ah, indeed, there it is... under "DOS Terminal Software". For whatever reason it did not appear under "Newly Installed" (or whatever its called) and I had no idea it wouldn't be under "Termbox" or "DOSBox". Anyway, it's a way cool package. You make it?

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 00:32:28
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:45 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many
    advantages.

    RAR is obscure and not nearly as widely supported as ZIP. When making an install package, I would try to make something either a self-extracting .exe or at-last archive as ZIP. You know, to make it easier for the average user to actually install.

    yeah but i dont care about that.
    it might be in rar format from my torrent site or i just did it on the fly.

    rar is really used a lot. especially if you download movies and tv.
    i love it for backing up, too. the syntax is great, too.

    But to whoever created this package: very cool. Thank you!

    But once installed (on Windows 10), I don't get any new start menu
    options. The included readme.txt says "Select software from start
    menu".



    https://i.imgur.com/ZWoWsyG.png


    i'm on windows 10

    Ah, indeed, there it is... under "DOS Terminal Software". For whatever reason it did not appear under "Newly Installed" (or whatever its called) and I had no idea it wouldn't be under "Termbox" or "DOSBox". Anyway, it's a way cool package. You make it?

    i think electro made it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 00:31:27
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:43 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many advantages.

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended) see RAR archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 00:35:13
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:32 am

    rar is really used a lot. especially if you download movies and tv.

    I've download movies & TV shows with BitTorrent before, and none of it has ever been RAR'ed.. It's usually just a video file, not in any archive container.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 22:00:00
    Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:32 am

    rar is really used a lot. especially if you download movies and tv.

    I've download movies & TV shows with BitTorrent before, and none of it
    has ever been RAR'ed.. It's usually just a video file, not in any
    archive container.

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    I have seen people who have put a large video file into a multipart RAR file, then RAR'ed the multipart RAR files into a single RAR file.

    And i've seen that more than once.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 07:56:00
    Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many advantages.

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun
    intended) see RAR archives these days.

    I occasionally download e-books from an IRC network, and they are
    almost always compressed with RAR. Not sure why, but they are.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 08:36:12
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:35 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:32 am

    rar is really used a lot. especially if you download movies and tv.

    I've download movies & TV shows with BitTorrent before, and none of it has e been RAR'ed.. It's usually just a video file, not in any archive container.

    Nightfox


    Actually, some people try to compress movies and series within RAR files.

    They are usually malware or password protected.

    Using a general compressor fortorrenting video is a very sad thing.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 10:09:47
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:31 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:43 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many advantages.

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended) see RAR archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.

    But the amount of additional compression available by more obscure compression schemes, be it 7zip or bzip2 or rar, is just rarely worth the extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:20:18
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:31 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:43 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many
    advantages.

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended) see RAR archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.


    it's used by the scene and that's huge.

    i love rar. i even paid for it.
    7zip compresses what better than rar? what format?
    have you tested with their current specs?

    anyways, i .rar'd the archive because i wanted to. if people dont want it, they can just not download it. not hurting me any.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:20:35
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:35 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:32 am

    rar is really used a lot. especially if you download movies and tv.

    I've download movies & TV shows with BitTorrent before, and none of it has ever been RAR'ed.. It's usually just a video file, not in any archive

    that's because you are a fucking noob
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dennisk on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:22:05
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:00 pm


    I have seen people who have put a large video file into a multipart RAR file, then RAR'ed the multipart RAR files into a single RAR file.

    And i've seen that more than once.

    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi rar.
    i think that's stupid.

    usually the scene does rar parts to make distribution easier and to make it easy to fix mistakes.


    rar is a very feature rich archiver and i suggest everyone check it out if they havent. i use it for backups.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:24:40
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:36 am


    Actually, some people try to compress movies and series within RAR files.

    They are usually malware or password protected.

    no no no. dont say that.

    you probably got that fake file off some scrub site.

    it's not usually like that.
    it's a standard various groups follow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_(warez)
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:27:14
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am


    But the amount of additional compression available by more obscure compression schemes, be it 7zip or bzip2 or rar, is just rarely worth the extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to


    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.


    i dont consider it a hassle. but if it is a hassle to other people, that's okay with me too! :D

    i like the syntax and the features of rar
    i use .zip if i distribute anything but that's been many years.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 10:50:07
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended)
    see RAR archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it
    seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.

    But the amount of additional compression available by more obscure compression schemes, be it 7zip or bzip2 or rar, is just rarely worth the extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I like to make things easy for people when I'm sharing things too.
    I've seen 7-zip and RAR often enough though that I'm not sure I'd consider them very obscure. And at the last place I worked at, there was an internal web site where they'd share drivers & software tools, and I started seeing a lot of things there archived with 7-zip.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 11:13:08
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:27 pm

    i like the syntax and the features of rar

    I only have unrar.exe on one Windows system, only for those rare cases when I need it. Otherwise, most of my other Windows systems (including my work laptop) don't have it and don't need it.

    I just think for a publicly-distributed installer, the most important feature of the archive format used (if one is used at all), is that it's highly-available. And there's nothing more highly-available than a ZIP extractor for Windows: it's built-in.

    If I have to find/install some special extractor for your install package, that's just one extra step and an unnecessary hassle. One that I'm certainly capable of overcoming, but with this particular install package (Termbox), I was thinking of the general user who might be easily dissuade by that hassle.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 11:15:53
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:50 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended)
    see RAR archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it
    seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.

    But the amount of additional compression available by more obscure compression schemes, be it 7zip or bzip2 or rar, is just rarely worth the extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I like to make things easy for people when I'm sharing things too.
    I've seen 7-zip and RAR often enough though that I'm not sure I'd consider them very obscure. And at the last place I worked at, there was an internal web site where they'd share drivers & software tools, and I started seeing a lot of things there archived with 7-zip.

    If the place you worked at pre-installed 7-zip on every corporate Windows computer, then I suppose that wouldn't be terrible. But I've never worked anywhere that pre-installed 7-zip on their Windows systems.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 11:04:40
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:20 pm

    i love rar. i even paid for it.

    Which RAR program? I paid for WinRAR, but I'm not sure if that covers other RAR programs for other operating systems etc..

    7zip compresses what better than rar? what format?

    Pretty much anything. Usually I use its LZMA2 setting. Sometimes you might have to play with the dictionary size and word size and get different results though.

    have you tested with their current specs?

    Specs for RAR & 7-zip? And I'm not sure what you mean by "specs" here.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:53:34
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 11:15 am

    I like to make things easy for people when I'm sharing things too.
    I've seen 7-zip and RAR often enough though that I'm not sure I'd
    consider them very obscure. And at the last place I worked at, there
    was an internal web site where they'd share drivers & software tools,
    and I started seeing a lot of things there archived with 7-zip.

    If the place you worked at pre-installed 7-zip on every corporate Windows computer, then I suppose that wouldn't be terrible. But I've never worked anywhere that pre-installed 7-zip on their Windows systems.

    Normally they didn't pre-install 7-zip. Also, our team often set up our own systems for testing, installing Windows from scratch etc. I don't think it's a big deal to install a program to handle another archive format.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 12:55:13
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Dennisk on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:22 pm

    I have seen people who have put a large video file into a multipart
    RAR file, then RAR'ed the multipart RAR files into a single RAR
    file.

    And i've seen that more than once.

    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi rar.
    i think that's stupid.

    I've seen that done with software too. I don't know why people do that.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 13:54:58
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Underminer on Sunday, August 02, 2020 17:45:00
    Underminer wrote to Digital Man <=-

    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)

    PKARC for the win! ;-)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:50:55
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:50 am

    I like to make things easy for people when I'm sharing things too.
    I've seen 7-zip and RAR often enough though that I'm not sure I'd consider them very obscure. And at the last place I worked at, there was an internal web site where they'd share drivers & software tools, and I started seeing a lot of things there archived with 7-zip.


    the windows interface for 7zip seems real ugly though.

    there's a lot of features for the .rar archiver, you should check it out.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:52:49
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 11:13 am

    work laptop) don't have it and don't need it.

    I just think for a publicly-distributed installer, the most important feature of the archive format used (if one is used at all), is that it's highly-available. And there's nothing more highly-available than a ZIP extractor for Windows: it's built-in.

    If I have to find/install some special extractor for your install package, that's just one extra step and an unnecessary hassle. One that I'm certainly capable of overcoming, but with this particular install package (Termbox), I was thinking of the general user who might be easily dissuade by that hassle.

    the official disto for termbox is a self extracting installer. i'm not distributing it other than linking it a few times.

    you should get rar and check it out. you might like it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:54:11
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 11:04 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:20 pm

    i love rar. i even paid for it.

    Which RAR program? I paid for WinRAR, but I'm not sure if that covers other RAR programs for other operating systems etc..

    yeah it should work for other oses except the android one.

    have you tested with their current specs?

    Specs for RAR & 7-zip? And I'm not sure what you mean by "specs" here.


    well rar has different compression specifications. you can use and old version and a newer one.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:55:10
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:55 pm


    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi
    rar. i think that's stupid.

    I've seen that done with software too. I don't know why people do that.


    i call it the pandora's box. it is some standard but i cant find where they write about it.
    maybe they are traying to hide the keygens from av software
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Underminer on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:56:31
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Underminer to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 01:54 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I
    try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares
    about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)


    that's another software that is more robust than zip.
    and bbs people used it a lot
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Underminer on Sunday, August 02, 2020 19:49:54
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Underminer to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 01:54 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)

    Or PKPAK!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 19:42:56
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:50 pm

    the windows interface for 7zip seems real ugly though.

    I don't mind it much. It seems to work fairly well, and it's free.

    there's a lot of features for the .rar archiver, you should check it out.

    I used to use WinRAR quite a bit, but not as much these days. I seem to remember features like you said for error correction, though I remember there being separate tools for that too.. SmartPAR and such, that could analyze a set of files and if have the PAR data, it could recover the files if they were damaged under a certain amount.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 19:44:37
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:55 pm

    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi
    rar. i think that's stupid.

    i call it the pandora's box. it is some standard but i cant find where they write about it. maybe they are traying to hide the keygens from av software

    I'd think that could be done by password-protecting the archive (which I've also seen done).

    People at my last workplace used to password-protect zip files when sending attachment so the company's email scanner wouldn't strip out what it saw as potentially dangerous files (such as script files, etc.).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sunday, August 02, 2020 19:45:28
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Gamgee to Underminer on Sun Aug 02 2020 05:45 pm

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)

    PKARC for the win! ;-)

    How about .tar.gz?

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:23:14
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:52 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 11:13 am

    work laptop) don't have it and don't need it.

    I just think for a publicly-distributed installer, the most important feature of the archive format used (if one is used at all), is that it's highly-available. And there's nothing more highly-available than a ZIP extractor for Windows: it's built-in.

    If I have to find/install some special extractor for your install package, that's just one extra step and an unnecessary hassle. One that I'm certainly capable of overcoming, but with this particular install package (Termbox), I was thinking of the general user who might be easily dissuade by that hassle.

    the official disto for termbox is a self extracting installer. i'm not distributing it other than linking it a few times.

    Oh, cool. Where's the official distro located (got a link)?

    you should get rar and check it out. you might like it.

    Like I said, I have/use unrar, when needed. And I've installed WinRAR on systems in the past, but never really took to it. I remember when RAR first came out, it's not new to me.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 20:25:00
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 07:44 pm

    People at my last workplace used to password-protect zip files when sending attachment so the company's email scanner wouldn't strip out what it saw as potentially dangerous files (such as script files, etc.).

    I think that only works if you double-zip though as you can still view the manifest of a password-protected zip file.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Sunday, August 02, 2020 21:36:54
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Aug 02 2020 07:45 pm

    How about .tar.gz?

    Well that's still pretty standard in some communities :)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Sunday, August 02, 2020 21:22:39
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:25 pm

    People at my last workplace used to password-protect zip files when
    sending attachment so the company's email scanner wouldn't strip out
    what it saw as potentially dangerous files (such as script files,
    etc.).

    I think that only works if you double-zip though as you can still view the manifest of a password-protected zip file.

    They didn't have to be double-zipped. If we had any scripts, executable programs, etc. that we'd want to email someone for some reason, we'd just zip it and password-protect the zip file. Although a manifest for a zip file could still be viewed, That seemed to be enough to prevent the attachment scanner from stripping certain files out of the zip file. It probably was unable to unzip it in order to re-zip without the "bad" files.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Monday, August 03, 2020 10:12:00
    MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:00 pm


    I have seen people who have put a large video file into a multipart RAR file, then RAR'ed the multipart RAR files into a single RAR file.

    And i've seen that more than once.

    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi rar.
    i think that's stupid.

    usually the scene does rar parts to make distribution easier and to
    make it easy to fix mistakes.


    rar is a very feature rich archiver and i suggest everyone check it out
    if they havent. i use it for backups. ---

    I have tried out RAR, and it is nice. The ability to add parity information is quite good, but that can be done by something like Parchiver.

    I use DAR, the Disk ARchiver for backups, as I need something which stored POSIX file attributes. Otherwise, it is ZIP because most people would be confused if they received anything else. For my own archiving I would use 7zip, or TAR with LZip.


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Monday, August 03, 2020 11:49:00
    Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended)
    see RAR archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it
    seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.

    But the amount of additional compression available by more obscure compression schemes, be it 7zip or bzip2 or rar, is just rarely worth the extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I like to make things easy for people when I'm sharing things too.
    I've seen 7-zip and RAR often enough though that I'm not sure I'd
    consider them very obscure. And at the last place I worked at, there
    was an internal web site where they'd share drivers & software tools,
    and I started seeing a lot of things there archived with 7-zip.

    Nightfox

    The problem is that Windows natively handles ZIP, so people may be used to not needing a decompressor program to extract an archive. In the 90s, it was a given that you needed an addon program, and what is one more for a different archive type? Anyone extracting a ZIP would be cluey enough to also extract an ARJ or LZH archive.

    I'd like to use 7Zip, but some people may find it strange needing to install ANYTHING to use it, and that it would most likely be me having to walk them through how to install it and use it.

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Underminer on Monday, August 03, 2020 11:52:00
    Underminer wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)

    Make ARJ Great Again.

    I still use LHA to this day for archiving stuff for my XT system.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Monday, August 03, 2020 19:12:00
    On 08-02-20 19:45, Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    PKARC for the win! ;-)

    How about .tar.gz?

    I use that a lot, though .tar.bz2 gives better compression. :)


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dennisk on Monday, August 03, 2020 06:26:23
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 03 2020 10:12 am

    MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:00 pm


    I have seen people who have put a large video file into a multipart RAR file, then RAR'ed the multipart RAR files into a single RAR file.

    And i've seen that more than once.

    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi rar. i think that's stupid.

    usually the scene does rar parts to make distribution easier and to make it easy to fix mistakes.


    rar is a very feature rich archiver and i suggest everyone check it out if they havent. i use it for backups. ---

    I have tried out RAR, and it is nice. The ability to add parity information quite good, but that can be done by something like Parchiver.

    I use DAR, the Disk ARchiver for backups, as I need something which stored POSIX file attributes. Otherwise, it is ZIP because most people would be confused if they received anything else. For my own archiving I would use 7zip, or TAR with LZip.


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

    DAR is quite handy. I remember using some custom scripts and magic to simulate tha a CD drive was a tape and make Tar output a continuous tape. It would fill a CD, open the tray and ask for a new blank CD, then keep writing on the "tape". Good fun.

    Nowadays most people I work with supports 7z, so that is what I use when sneding files away. For archival I use tar+lrzip. tar+gz and zip are used for public sharing only here.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dennisk on Monday, August 03, 2020 09:04:07
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Mon Aug 03 2020 11:49 am

    The problem is that Windows natively handles ZIP, so people may be used to not needing a decompressor program to extract an archive. In the 90s, it was a given that you needed an addon program, and what is one more for a different archive type? Anyone extracting a ZIP would be cluey enough to also extract an ARJ or LZH archive.

    I'd like to use 7Zip, but some people may find it strange needing to install ANYTHING to use it, and that it would most likely be me having to walk them through how to install it and use it.

    I agree.
    I like that Windows Explorer handles zip files, but I've never fully liked its interface for creating & extracting zip files. Sometimes it's handy to be able to create a zip file with Explorer, but it doesn't give you any options for compression level, etc.. I still tend to use a 3rd-party program for zip files (usually 7-zip these days), even for extracting zip files - Usually I'll use 7-zip's right-click menu option to extract a zip file.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Digital Man on Monday, August 03, 2020 09:49:00
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 12:31 am

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 01 2020 08:43 pm

    RAR? Seriously?

    yeah, seriously. .rar is a widely used archive format with many advantages.

    Used by whom? RAR is a good format, but I rarely (no pun intended) see R archives these days. Several years ago I tried 7-zip, and it seems 7-zip might actually compress better than RAR. And it's free.

    But the amount of additional compression available by more obscure compressi ble - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    digital man

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    I know some virus scanners will scan zipped files using the zip format. I wonder if someone would use rar as a means to prevent other programs that can scan or view better known compressed file formats from reading them?

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Arelor on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 00:46:00
    Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 03 2020 10:12 am

    MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:00 pm


    I have seen people who have put a large video file into a multipart RAR file, then RAR'ed the multipart RAR files into a single RAR file.

    And i've seen that more than once.

    they do that with software. and it's usually multi zip and multi rar. i think that's stupid.

    usually the scene does rar parts to make distribution easier and to make it easy to fix mistakes.


    rar is a very feature rich archiver and i suggest everyone check it out if they havent. i use it for backups. ---

    I have tried out RAR, and it is nice. The ability to add parity information quite good, but that can be done by something like Parchiver.

    I use DAR, the Disk ARchiver for backups, as I need something which stored POSIX file attributes. Otherwise, it is ZIP because most people would be confused if they received anything else. For my own archiving I would use 7zip, or TAR with LZip.


    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!

    DAR is quite handy. I remember using some custom scripts and magic to simulate tha a CD drive was a tape and make Tar output a continuous
    tape. It would fill a CD, open the tray and ask for a new blank CD,
    then keep writing on the "tape". Good fun.

    Nowadays most people I work with supports 7z, so that is what I use
    when sneding files away. For archival I use tar+lrzip. tar+gz and zip
    are used for public sharing only here.

    It has an awkward command line syntax, but it does work. What I like most about DAR is the author has thought of EVERYTHING. I was writing a front end for DAR, designed to be a graphical backup program, but that has been abandoned. It's not a suitable way to
    distribute files though.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Monday, August 03, 2020 07:34:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)

    PKARC for the win! ;-)

    How about .tar.gz?

    I use that pretty much daily! :-)



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  • From Gallaxial@VERT/SPACESST to Digital Man on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 11:44:36
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Underminer on Sun Aug 02 2020 19:49:54

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Underminer to Digital Man on Sun Aug 02 2020 01:54 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 10:09 am

    extra hassle. If it's a public archive (e.g. an install package), I try to go as easy and as main stream as possible - nobody cares about the few extra kilobytes these days.

    I disagree and think we should all start using ARJ again ;)

    Or PKPAK!


    Use Nanozip !

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 18:13:28
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 07:42 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:50 pm

    the windows interface for 7zip seems real ugly though.

    I don't mind it much. It seems to work fairly well, and it's free.

    there's a lot of features for the .rar archiver, you should check it
    out.

    I used to use WinRAR quite a bit, but not as much these days. I seem to remember features like you said for error correction, though I remember there being separate tools for that too.. SmartPAR and such, that could analyze a set of files and if have the PAR data, it could recover the files if they were damaged under a certain amount.


    winrar used to have this memory test thing. i'm not sure if it still has it, i dont see it in the menus now.

    i had some crazy stuff happening with my computer and i was using all these diagnostic programs. winrar actually caught the issue as the memory and it was correct.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 18:14:47
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 07:44 pm


    i call it the pandora's box. it is some standard but i cant find
    where they write about it. maybe they are traying to hide the
    keygens from av software

    I'd think that could be done by password-protecting the archive (which I've also seen done).


    maybe this is to subvert gmail or something because they reject archives with executables and scripts

    People at my last workplace used to password-protect zip files when sending attachment so the company's email scanner wouldn't strip out what it saw as potentially dangerous files (such as script files, etc.).


    we would just rename .zip .zipped instead
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 18:38:01
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:23 pm


    the official disto for termbox is a self extracting installer. i'm not
    distributing it other than linking it a few times.

    Oh, cool. Where's the official distro located (got a link)?

    no clue, you can try googling it.

    Like I said, I have/use unrar, when needed. And I've installed WinRAR on systems in the past, but never really took to it. I remember when RAR first came out, it's not new to me.


    you should try using it. unrar isnt the same.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dennisk on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 18:41:34
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 03 2020 10:12 am


    I use DAR, the Disk ARchiver for backups, as I need something which stored POSIX file attributes. Otherwise, it is ZIP because most people would be confused if they received anything else. For my own archiving I would use 7zip, or TAR with LZi

    oh i forgot about DAR.

    i'll have to take a look at it again.
    not sure if i have the space to do backups, though
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 17:28:37
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Aug 04 2020 06:38 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Aug 02 2020 08:23 pm


    the official disto for termbox is a self extracting installer. i'm not
    distributing it other than linking it a few times.

    Oh, cool. Where's the official distro located (got a link)?

    no clue, you can try googling it.

    I did with no luck.

    Like I said, I have/use unrar, when needed. And I've installed WinRAR on systems in the past, but never really took to it. I remember when RAR first came out, it's not new to me.


    you should try using it. unrar isnt the same.

    I did. I've installed WinRAR on systems in the past... like I said.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 23:07:59
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Aug 04 2020 05:28 pm


    Oh, cool. Where's the official distro located (got a link)?

    no clue, you can try googling it.

    I did with no luck.

    oh, his website used to come up. the sfx installer is the last version

    Like I said, I have/use unrar, when needed. And I've installed
    WinRAR on systems in the past, but never really took to it. I
    remember when RAR first came out, it's not new to me.


    oh, unrar isnt really like winrar though. winrar / rar is more feature rich. unrar is just a free program to extract .rar archives
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Saturday, August 08, 2020 11:08:11
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Aug 05 2020 11:07 pm

    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Aug 04 2020 05:28 pm


    Oh, cool. Where's the official distro located (got a link)?

    no clue, you can try googling it.

    I did with no luck.

    oh, his website used to come up. the sfx installer is the last version

    So he made the termbox.exe and you added the readme.txt?

    Like I said, I have/use unrar, when needed. And I've installed
    WinRAR on systems in the past, but never really took to it. I
    remember when RAR first came out, it's not new to me.


    oh, unrar isnt really like winrar though. winrar / rar is more feature rich. unrar is just a free program to extract .rar archives

    Yup, but I used both over many years. Not a fan of winrar.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Saturday, August 08, 2020 18:29:26
    Re: Re: Windows 3.1 Terminal
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Aug 08 2020 11:08 am


    oh, his website used to come up. the sfx installer is the last version

    So he made the termbox.exe and you added the readme.txt?


    i didnt make the readme or anything for termbox.
    you can ask electro if you have any questions about it.

    i wasnt involved and it was like 10 years ago.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Monday, August 10, 2020 14:54:23
    On 8/5/2020 9:07 PM, MRO wrote:

    oh, unrar isnt really like winrar though. winrar / rar is more feature rich. unrar is just a free program to extract .rar archives

    partial to 7-zip myself, which can at least extract .rar files (and
    pretty much everything else).

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