You know, BBS Spam like that drug market mess we got hit with earlier is bad enough,
You know, BBS Spam like that drug market mess we got hit with earlier is bad enough, but even more annoying is when it's peppered with not just the usual
Re: The worst thing about BBS Spam
By: Kurisu to All on Mon Jun 29 2020 01:32 pm
You know, BBS Spam like that drug market mess we got hit with earlier is bad enough,
Has anyone (or everyone) sent a message to the sysop to lock their system do I tried looking in the Fido nodelist but got sidetracked.
I tried looking in the Fido nodelist but got sidetracked.
Kurisu wrote to All <=-
You know, BBS Spam like that drug market mess we got hit with earlier
is bad enough, but even more annoying is when it's peppered with not
just the usual HTML (since it's web format spam being auto posted, of course) but the fact that it's also filled with references to all the apps, services, and web sites that we're avoiding by being in the BBS Scene. It's like a steady reminder of how absolutely crap the greater internet is.
Just a musing. Hope everyone is well.
On 06-29-20 14:37, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Kurisu <=-
Has anyone (or everyone) sent a message to the sysop to lock their
system down? I tried looking in the Fido nodelist but got sidetracked.
you dont look in the fidonet nodelist. it's a synchronet bbs
Re: The worst thing about BBS Spam
The same spammer hit some Fido echoes with the same message.
Does a FIDO echo show the originating location? I'd guess that BBS is set up for both DOVE-net and FIDO and thus everything accessable from that BBS got slammed. Understandable then to, if that's the first you saw of it, think that it was a fidonet originating problem.
Re: The worst thing about BBS Spam
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jun 29 2020 07:05 pm
you dont look in the fidonet nodelist. it's a synchronet bbs
The same spammer hit some Fido echoes with the same message.
Does a FIDO echo show the originating location? I'd guess that BBS is set up for both DOVE-net and FIDO and thus everything accessable from that BBS got slammed. Understandable then to, if that's the first you saw of it, think th it was a fidonet originating problem.
It's not net specific, it's specific to one BBS; I'm sure whatever networks that BBS was connected to got spammed equally. Although, Fido only got the message on a couple of echoes.
Kurisu wrote to All <=-
You know, BBS Spam like that drug market mess we got hit with earlier
is bad enough, but even more annoying is when it's peppered with not
just the usual HTML (since it's web format spam being auto posted, of course) but the fact that it's also filled with references to all the apps, services, and web sites that we're avoiding by being in the BBS Scene. It's like a steady reminder of how absolutely crap the greater internet is.
Just a musing. Hope everyone is well.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
you dont look in the fidonet nodelist. it's a synchronet bbs
The same spammer hit some Fido echoes with the same message.
dovenet is gated to some fidonet echos
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media" just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social medi just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
I'd certainly think not and, given what was captured in the BBS documentary, would seem the BBS scene has traditionally been full of far more supportive
I personally feel the "centralized" nature of the modern web, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc, are what has done the most damage - that and everyon
having access via smartphones they barely know how to use.
well lets be fair here. the bbs documentary was a piece of junk largely. that's not 'jason scott's' fault. he had no idea what he was doing and he did his best.
bbses were centralized. we were all in a small fishbowl.
yeah people hated me and TRIED it. :D
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Kurisu on Wed Jul 01 2020 05:17 pm
well lets be fair here. the bbs documentary was a piece of junk largely. that's not 'jason scott's' fault. he had no idea what he was doing and did his best.
Not to derail my own thread, but what was bad about it from your / the actua scenes POV? I was born in 85 so I missed out on the entire BBS scene. I ask
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Dennisk on Wed Jul 01 2020 05:12 pm
yeah people hated me and TRIED it. :D
You know, I feel this would have been something to happen to me were I aroun for that scene. More things change, more they stay the same eh?
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Tue Jun 30 2020 10:16 pm
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media" just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
I'd certainly think not and, given what was captured in the BBS documentary, it would seem the BBS scene has traditionally been full of far more supportive people and actions than anything else when it comes
to any given group on a whole.
I personally feel the "centralized" nature of the modern web, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc, are what has done the most damage - that and everyone having access via smartphones they barely know how to use.
Everyone thrown in the same small space is never good. With BBS's and personal websites of yore, it was a case of "come to this little place
and hang out if you like. Otherwise, you never have to see it or be
there again" which worked out well -- didn't force people to see or be around junk they didn't like or expose people who mean no harm to those who want to raise hell becuase they have mental issues....
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so it was OK, but poor coverage and not well planned and executed.
people dont like individuals. if you arent part of the herd you must be cut out.
i'm not an angel though. i dont like spending energy debating people and i have been mean and childish in the past.
often times i like to state my opinion and not go into a paragraph or 2 explaining it.
i am a real selfless person and i have been screwed over by a few people in bbsing, so that doesnt help.
It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opinion. The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion on the internet, and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because the technology didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult or cumbersome. That and the fact that each BBS was its own separate island, and the only people on there, were people who were technically proficient enough to be able to log in (a barrier that many people today could not ovecome).
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Tue Jun 30 2020 10:16 pm
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media" just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
I'd certainly think not and, given what was captured in the BBS documentary, it would seem the BBS scene has traditionally been full of far more supportive people and actions than anything else when it comes to any given group on a whole.
I personally feel the "centralized" nature of the modern web, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc, are what has done the most damage - that and everyone having access via smartphones they barely know how to use.
Everyone thrown in the same small space is never good. With BBS's and personal websites of yore, it was a case of "come to this little place and hang out if you like. Otherwise, you never have to see it or be there again" which worked out well -- didn't force people to see or be around junk they didn't like or expose people who mean no harm to those who want to raise hell becuase they have mental issues....
Ku> /rant
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It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opinion. The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion on the interne and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because the technolog didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult or cumbersome. That and the fact that each BBS was its own separate island, and the only people on there were people who were technically proficient enough to be able to log in (a barrier that many people today could not ovecome).
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
I can relate to all of this, honestly. The only difference is I do tend to explain myself - quite thoroughly, actually - but people don't care. They don't look at the
reasons for an opinion, only the opinion itself and if you try to give logical reason, they TLDR you and continue with their crap.
Suffice it to say I'm not a big fan of most people...
Colleges and universities were originally great forums for differing opinion and thougths, however now it's like any type of language that disagrees with whatever vocal minority's point should be banned from further discussion and suppressed. When I refer to minority in this case, I refer to narrow minded special interest groups that believe they are fighting for social justice.
well lets be fair here. the bbs documentary was a piece of junk largely. that's not 'jason scott's' fault. he had no idea what he was doing and he did his best.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Moondog to Dennisk on Thu Jul 02 2020 11:11 am
Colleges and universities were originally great forums for differing opin and thougths, however now it's like any type of language that disagrees w whatever vocal minority's point should be banned from further discussion suppressed. When I refer to minority in this case, I refer to narrow min special interest groups that believe they are fighting for social justice
Oh, I understood what you meant by minority.
All in all, it isn't about the value of actual ideas anymore, but simply whatever is trending as the flavor of the week issue to get pissy about. I'm all for progress, but not like this, where the very act of being human and being yourself is a crime by default.
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Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:36 pm
It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opinion. The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion on the internet, and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because the technology didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult or cumbersome. That and the fact that each BBS was its own separate island, and the only people on there, were people who were technically proficient enough to be able to log in (a barrier that many people today could not ovecome).
Certainly. Things are not the same now, with both how people think
about things and how the speed and ease of the internet facilitates certain actions.
A fun note on the technical barriers of BBSing these days, that's
actually why I set my BBS up - to put up a certain "you must be this
nerdy to enter" barrier between the average internet user (or spammer)
and a social end of my personal projects. This BBS exists to somewhat replace typcial forums I would have hosted on my website, which never
last well thanks to spam bots and general jerk kids. Haha.
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"You must be this nerdy to enter". Nice! It is frustrating to have
people I know use consumer "web services", when there are better ways.
People using cloud storage services to send me a file, when I have my
own FTP server, or wanting to chat online on FB or some other complex
chat system, when I have a private BBS that can easily log into.
I believe the modem emulation was already configured by default with DOSBox.. I just had to run Telemate, and then you can telnet into a BBS with ATDT and then the IP address/internet address. I think it was already set up for COM1 which was working with the modem emulation.
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:36 pm
It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opini The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion on the internet, and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because technology didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult or cumbersome. That and the fact that each BBS was its own separate island, and the only people on there, were people who were technically proficient enough to be able to log in (a barrier that many people today could not ovecome).
Certainly. Things are not the same now, with both how people think about things and how the speed and ease of the internet facilitates certain actions.
A fun note on the technical barriers of BBSing these days, that's actually why I set my BBS up - to put up a certain "you must be this nerdy to enter" barrier between the average internet user (or spammer) and a social end of my personal projects. This BBS exists to somewhat replace typcial forums I would have hosted on my website, which never last well thanks to spam bots and general jerk kids. Haha.
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"You must be this nerdy to enter". Nice! It is frustrating to have people know use consumer "web services", when there are better ways. People using cloud storage services to send me a file, when I have my own FTP server, or wanting to chat online on FB or some other complex chat system, when I have private BBS that can easily log into.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Dennisk wrote to Kurisu <=-
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media" just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised
against someone?
Dennisk wrote to Kurisu <=-
It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opinion.
The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion
on the internet, and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because the technology didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult
or cumbersome.
paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-
I have spent hours watching the extra videos.. I seemed to like most of what he was trying to capture.
guessing of someone wanted "security by obscurity" they would communicate th ugh older or lesser used formats. If a BBS is well pitched and has an activ
user base, it will draw spammers. The price of being popular?
I've been culling my Facebook friends list to great effect recently.
I figured out that when that brother-in-law of yours reposts
political crap, you can mute your brother-in-law, *or* mute the
author of the forwarded crap. Being able to mute the source of the
forwarded crap has helped me get Facebook back to what it used to be
- a way to keep up with absent friends.
paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-
I have spent hours watching the extra videos.. I seemed to like most of what he was trying to capture.
I could have been in the documentary. Dr. Strangelove was invited and
he invited me along, but I thought otherwise. In retrospect, it would
have been fun to have my say.
anonymity can come a lack of accountability.
Back then, we used handles but we built reputations on them. I was as
protective of poindexter FORTRAN as I was of my real name on the
BBSes. Both reputations were me. While I could have trashed my
handles and re-appeared as someone new, you wouldn't want to.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Kurisu on Wed Jul 01 2020 05:17 pm
well lets be fair here. the bbs documentary was a piece of junk largely that's not 'jason scott's' fault. he had no idea what he was doing and did his best.
Oh, I disagree... I think he did a good job at capturing 1994 anyway..
I have spent hours watching the extra videos.. I seemed to like most of what was trying to capture.
Mastadon is commercial-free, I'm enjoying it but wish I had more
friends move to it.
with today's cancel culture we should all be using fake names.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Fri Jul 03 2020 07:10 pm
Kurisu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Kurisu on Thu Jul 02 2020 08:36 pm
It was also a different time when people could accept difference of opini The real difference is how easy it is now to blast an opinion on the internet, and arrange a hate mob. You couldn't do this on a BBS because technology didn't allow it, or if it did, it was difficult or cumbersome. That and the fact that each BBS was its own separate island, and the only people on there, were people who were technically proficient enough to be able to log in (a barrier that many people today could not ovecome).
Certainly. Things are not the same now, with both how people think about things and how the speed and ease of the internet facilitates certain actions.
A fun note on the technical barriers of BBSing these days, that's actually why I set my BBS up - to put up a certain "you must be this nerdy to enter" barrier between the average internet user (or spammer) and a social end of my personal projects. This BBS exists to somewhat replace typcial forums I would have hosted on my website, which never last well thanks to spam bots and general jerk kids. Haha.
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"You must be this nerdy to enter". Nice! It is frustrating to have people know use consumer "web services", when there are better ways. People using cloud storage services to send me a file, when I have my own FTP server, or wanting to chat online on FB or some other complex chat system, when I have private BBS that can easily log into.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
When I came back to the BBS scene a few years ago, the idea someone
would spam
on a BBS was not on my radar. But then again it sort of makes sense.
I;m guessing of someone wanted "security by obscurity" they would communicate thro ugh older or lesser used formats. If a BBS is well pitched and has an active
user base, it will draw spammers. The price of being popular?
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= Synchronet = The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.net
You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own the platform yourself.
with today's cancel culture we should all be using fake names.
Alternatively, have a very, very common name. there's at least a dozen people with the name "Mike Miller" in my area alone.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I could have been in the documentary. Dr. Strangelove was invited and
he invited me along, but I thought otherwise. In retrospect, it would
have been fun to have my say.
that was a weird interview. and why is he sitting on a tabletop in a
shack ---
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Node operators that peer with nodes deemed hateful or host pople deemed hateful usually get harassed by the cancel culture mob. There is also a push in order to get hardcoded blacklists of nodes in order to prevent nodes deemed hateful for joining the network. While the tech is interesting, I suspect the community built around it is very toxic.
Dennisk wrote to Moondog <=-
You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security
through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own the platform yourself.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I could have been in the documentary. Dr. Strangelove was invited and
he invited me along, but I thought otherwise. In retrospect, it would have been fun to have my say.
that was a weird interview. and why is he sitting on a tabletop in a shack ---
That is his wood shop. As to why he picked that area? Don't know.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Node operators that peer with nodes deemed hateful or host pople deemed hateful usually get harassed by the cancel culture mob. There is also a push in order to get hardcoded blacklists of nodes in order to prevent nodes deemed hateful for joining the network. While the tech is interesting, I suspect the community built around it is very toxic.
I didn't know that - wouldn't be surprised if managing mastadon was
controlled anarchy at best.
You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security
through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own De>> the platform yourself.
True, but then you're starting down a slippery slope of obscurity.
First dial-up, then supporting EBCDIC only, then 5-bit Baudot
encoding, then minitel - and we're back in the '60s again!
well lets be fair here. the bbs documentary was a piece of junk
largely. that's not 'jason scott's' fault. he had no idea what he
was doing and did his best.
Not to derail my own thread, but what was bad about it from your / the
actua scenes POV? I was born in 85 so I missed out on the entire BBS
scene. I ask
well he had a lot of material, but it was too much. so, it never ended
up in the documentary.
it didnt really cover 'the scene'. it included stories from some people
he knew.
i think there were also some technical problems with the interviews. not
only that, but some people he interviewed just werent interesting.
so it was OK, but poor coverage and not well planned and executed.
well lets be fair here. the bbs documentary was a piece of junk
largely. that's not 'jason scott's' fault. he had no idea what he was
doing and he did his best.
Not to derail my own thread, but what was bad about it from your / the actual scenes POV? I was born in 85 so I missed out on the entire BBS scene. I ask out of curiosity so my understanding can be better, even
if it's just from a production POV - it was still the "best"
introduction to the reality of the scene I could have; it is critical
to why I'm here, after all.
...Compare to twitter, where you can post something and virtually
anyone from anywhere can see it and, if they wish, start some crap,
which people are want to do as history shows. Of course with FIDOnet
and the like things got more intermingled, for better or worse, and
sure, the BBS scene was very much a "call all the boards you can" kind
of thing (from what I gathered) but it was an effort, I'd think -- not
like today where people all use the same like 4 websites for
everything. That's all.
And.. you *do* understand why the "4 websites" for everything *is* practically everything? ...because "easy and fast" might have something
to do with it.
well he had a lot of material, but it was too much. so, it never ended up in the documentary.
i think there were also some technical problems with the interviews.
not only that, but some people he interviewed just werent interesting.
i am a real selfless person and i have been screwed over by a few people in bbsing, so that doesnt help.
BBS Documentary has nothing else on the subject to compare it to. For MRO to criticize it too much isn't fair. It's a fine result of a complex project. At first, I wasn't overly excited of just the sit-down-style of
On 07-05-20 14:39, Ogg wrote to All <=-
It didn't have the popular documentary style of other commercial documentaries, but it was still quite a bold undertaking with a basic
sit- down interview "60 minutes" style.
What did he miss?
On 07-05-20 15:25, Ogg wrote to All <=-
BBS Documentary has nothing else on the subject to compare it to. For
MRO to criticize it too much isn't fair. It's a fine result of a
complex project. At first, I wasn't overly excited of just the sit-down-style of interviews. But it's not much different if people
got together at a bbs- get-together someplace and had a good visit.
Personally, I was hoping that the series could have included more info about the different bbs software, screen shots, people actually working
a bbs, an actual sysop/user chat session, hosting on different OSes,
the transition of bbs dialup to telnet, ..that sort of thing.
Oh, I disagree... I think he did a good job at capturing 1994 anyway..
I have spent hours watching the extra videos.. I seemed to like most
of what was trying to capture.
i see that he is putting videos on archive.org from bbs doc and it took him 16 years to do this. sixteen years.
for a large portion of that time he was doing jack shit.
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media"
just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
Tracker1 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about
the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
It didn't have the popular documentary style of other commercial documentaries, but it was still quite a bold undertaking with a basic sit- down interview "60 minutes" style.
What did he miss?
In any event, why not execute your version of "the REST of the documentary" with your idea of better execution, planning and coverage? ;)
Re: Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Ogg to All on Sun Jul 05 2020 03:25 pm
And.. you *do* understand why the "4 websites" for everything *is* practically everything? ...because "easy and fast" might have something to do with it.
Oh, I certainly do. I get the reasons, but it isn't much of a stretch, to me from checking out one persons profile on a service vs another person on the same service to just going to a persons personal website like in the early internet days... barring the fact that too required at least basic skill to up and a social media feed is so trivial to manage 5 year olds can do it.... which I guess says quite a bit about the overall tech skills of the average person.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Kurisu on Thu Jul 02 2020 02:09 am
well he had a lot of material, but it was too much. so, it never ended in the documentary.
i think there were also some technical problems with the interviews. not only that, but some people he interviewed just werent interesting.
True, I found it to be somewhat informative but really drawn out.
Jason could have tightened it up allot, however it was interesting in a historical point of view.
Not something I would sit through again but worth watching once.
Not something I would sit through again but worth watching once.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Kurisu on Thu Jul 02 2020 02:12 am
i am a real selfless person and i have been screwed over by a few peopl in bbsing, so that doesnt help.
I really only got screwed over by one Sysop, named Tim Smith.
My first BBS was in the mid to late 80's then through the 90's I ran my sec Most people I've met on BBS's have been cool.
On 6/30/2020 5:16 AM, Dennisk wrote:
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social media"
just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about
the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
Tracker1 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
Yeah, it's documented in the last episode of the BBS documentary. SEA
was a company that made ARC, one of the original archivers. They
released source code to licensees. PKARC came out, claiming to be
PKARC came out, claiming to be
faster, better, etc - and looking through the source code people
claimed that it was copied from ARC. SEA sued and was painted as the
claimed that it was copied from ARC. SEA sued and was painted as the
big bad guy, PK changed their product to PKZIP and people bailed on
ARC en masse.
i dont know how you can see it that way. most of the documentary was
bouncing back and forth from person to person. they'd say one sentence
and then it'd go to another person in most cases.
What did he miss?
he missed a lot. like almost everything about bbsing.
In any event, why not execute your version of "the REST of the
documentary" with your idea of better execution, planning and coverage?
;)
i dont know whats up with your smiley. why shouldn't i?
it would be a waste of time and money.
What did he miss?
The rest of the world. ;)
it was very USA centric, but given the nature of the undertaking and the
size of the potential audience, that is understandable. Covering t
entire world of BBSing would have been a hugely expensive undertaking.
Today, using videoconferencing would be more feasible to conduct international interviews, with generally faster Internet speeds
available.
When I came back to the BBS scene a few years ago, the idea someone would spam
on a BBS was not on my radar. But then again it sort of makes sense. I;m guessing of someone wanted "security by obscurity" they would communicate thro ugh older or lesser used formats. If a BBS is well pitched and has an active
user base, it will draw spammers. The price of being popular?
---
= Synchronet = The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.net
You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own the platform yourself.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Sun Jul 05 2020 11:07 am
You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own the platf yourself.
yeah that sounds like something useful.
nobody would ever fucking call it. better to just not run one.
It didn't have the popular documentary style of other commercial
documentaries, but it was still quite a bold undertaking with a
basic sit- down interview "60 minutes" style.
I quite enjoyed it for what it was.
What did he miss?
The rest of the world. ;)
On 6/30/2020 5:16 AM, Dennisk wrote:
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now.
"Social media" just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever
organised against someone?
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
coverage? ;)i dont know whats up with your smiley.
that was sea. and sea misrepresented themselves to be a big bad corp. but they werent. it's very interesting to see what went on there. you have to read the old posts. god damn that was a lot of animosity on both sides.
phil paid them and then beat them by being better.
then he drank himself to death.
An updated documentary/report, that covers today's current status would be interesting. It would be a sad commentary if the last thing we have is the Cheesburger version! LOL
people dont change. people used bbses back then the way they do now with websites. they go to the ones they want and talk to the people they want.
they didnt call every bbs they could unless they were curious.
also it wasnt hard to call a bbs back in the day. usually someone showed you if you were a noob, but that took 2 mins.
well i liked it at first. then i thought about it and i didnt really like how it jumped around and just left out some info. i think he had technical problems.
it wasnt bad, better than i could have done.
btw, if you are watching it online, that is my re-encode of it that i put on google video years ago. i did it for jason scott because he wasnt able to.
pissed me off that people took copies and made money off of views.
Yeah, it's documented in the last episode of the BBS documentary. SEA
was a company that made ARC, one of the original archivers. They
released source code to licensees. PKARC came out, claiming to be
they released source code to everyone in the beginning. that was how it was done back them. thom's own words.
PKARC came out, claiming to be
faster, better, etc - and looking through the source code people
claimed that it was copied from ARC. SEA sued and was painted as the
it was faster and better because phil was awesome at assembly.
only SEA claimed the source code was the same as arc 'even the spelling mistakes'. nobody else said that. nobody saw the code outside of court.
he perfected it. it wasnt the same source code. the structure of arc was used, of course. also as i said before this might have been a scheme to make money off of all the other developers. sea demanded they get money from all the other archiver developers because they MUST have used some of the code released by sea.
phil took the fight public. and he really was a bad ass on the msg nets. almost everyone was behind phil katz.
i think it's entirely possible phil was an asshole and the sea people were assholes.
I wonder how many people have landlines these days, let alone a modem? I guess if you DSL, you may require to maintain some landline phone service depending on how greedy the phone provider is, however I haven't connected a modem to a Windows system since XP. I stayed with dialup way past most people switching over because the cable and telco providers made empty promises toward bringing service to our area for the last 20 years. When I did have dialup, I repurposed and old K6-233 running Coyote linux off a floppy to act as a diaup router and dhcp server. I had a true external serial modem connected. Winmodems were mostly useless on a linux box.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Moondog to Dennisk on Mon Jul 06 2020 08:17 pm
I wonder how many people have landlines these days, let alone a modem? guess if you DSL, you may require to maintain some landline phone servi depending on how greedy the phone provider is, however I haven't connec a modem to a Windows system since XP. I stayed with dialup way past mos people switching over because the cable and telco providers made empty promises toward bringing service to our area for the last 20 years. Whe did have dialup, I repurposed and old K6-233 running Coyote linux off a floppy to act as a diaup router and dhcp server. I had a true external serial modem connected. Winmodems were mostly useless on a linux box.
I first got broadband in 2002, soon after I started using Windows XP. I hav I never used Winmodems either.. I didn't want to buy something that only wo nce the name 'Winmodem') - and since it relied on software, it would have us
Nightfox
On 07-05-20 23:07, Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-
I've heard some people criticize the BBS Documentary on the fact that
it centered mainly on the US-based BBS experience, and leaving out some
information (I don't remember what specifically off the top of my
head). I think the BBS Documentary was overall pretty good though. It captured a lot of what I remembered about the BBS scene (I started
using BBSes in 1992).
Those were earlier days of computing, and I still remember it feeling really cool and a bit magical that people were using computers to host small online systems in their own homes that you could connect to from another computer over a phone line.. When I first got my own computer
and modem, I was fairly young (12 years old), but I was really excited that I not only had my own computer, but I could basically use a modem
and a phone line to get onto someone else's computer remotely and see
what they had to offer as far as files, games, etc..
On 07-06-20 08:50, Tracker1 wrote to Dennisk <=-media"
@VIA: VERT/TRN
On 6/30/2020 5:16 AM, Dennisk wrote:
I'm with you on the Internet being largely a garbage pile now. "Social
just killed it. Has a hate mob from BBS's ever organised against someone?
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about
the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
On 07-06-20 23:27, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well.. the logistics just to cover the domestic USA was probably an immense feat.
It has been a long time since I watched the whole thing, but did they
not perhaps mention international calls and thus allude to bbs activity
in the rest of the world? Did not the software developers that they interviewed boast about international sales?
An updated documentary/report, that covers today's current status would
be interesting. It would be a sad commentary if the last thing we have
is the Cheesburger version! LOL
On 07-07-20 00:36, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes... specifically, I do love how he covered ANSI art.. but going
along with 'the rest of the world', he left out DEMOscene... :P
The things the guys over the pond were doing with graphics once DOS machines started picking up was breathtaking. I remember (many prior,
too) when UNREAL 2 came out thinking that... like we've reached the
peak here ladies and gentlemen... nothing is ever gonna look better
than this.
My bedroom/apt thing was in the basement and the bedroom had no
windows; I can remember blasting the speakers thru some SoundBlaster & just knowing that I was on the bleeding edge of tech. Lulz... look at
us now, daddios!
On 07-07-20 08:38, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-\
Yeah, I don't think other people should have made money off it. I
bought the DVD set of the BBS Documentary, but I remember reading somewhere Jason Scott said you're free to make copies of the DVDs and share it. People shouldn't have tried to make money off it though.
I could never get a winmodem to play nice with linux however I recall there were attempts to make it work. About 13 years ago there was a similar problem regarding poor suport for broadcom wireledd cards. A tool called NDISwrapper was needed to adapt a windows driver to function with linux.
Hello MRO!
** On Monday 06.07.20 - 21:50, mro wrote to Ogg:
i dont know how you can see it that way. most of the documentary was bouncing back and forth from person to person. they'd say one sentence and then it'd go to another person in most cases.
It was a conversational style, like visiting someone at home.
No need to get anxious about a smiley. Move on. Many projects like that can get funding from government.
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both about the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
Yes, really ending in a sad story too...
I'm not perfect on the names but... the one guy who got screwed, by the othe company basically just taking his IP, drank himself into oblivion for years. I believe even passing away later because of the alchoholism.
Guess I'm just regurgitating what I watched in a youtube/archive video... bu it sucks. I think there was an amount of trust when boards STARTED... that g less and less as some peoples colors came out.
https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/ .... it was a crazy 'who's side are y on' thing.... glad that phil ended up with the users, but sad how the ordeal helped continue him down that alchoholic path.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
pissed me off that people took copies and made money off of views.
Yeah, I don't think other people should have made money off it. I bought th DVD set of the BBS Documentary, but I remember reading somewhere Jason Scott said you're free to make copies of the DVDs and share it. People shouldn't have tried to make money off it though.
Nightfox
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Sun Jul 05 2020 11:07 am
When I came back to the BBS scene a few years ago, the idea someone would spam
on a BBS was not on my radar. But then again it sort of makes sense. I;m guessing of someone wanted "security by obscurity" they would communicate thro ugh older or lesser used formats. If a BBS is well pitched and has an active
user base, it will draw spammers. The price of being popular?
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You could go one step further, and have a dial-up BBS. Security through obscurity is a technique I like, especially when you get to own the platform yourself.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
I wonder how many people have landlines these days, let alone a modem?
I guess if you DSL, you may require to maintain some landline phone service depending on how greedy the phone provider is, however I
haven't connected a modem to a Windows system since XP. I stayed with dialup way past most people switching over because the cable and telco providers made empty promises toward bringing service to our area for
the last 20 years. When I did have dialup, I repurposed and old K6-233 running Coyote linux off a floppy to act as a diaup router and dhcp server. I had a true external serial modem connected. Winmodems were mostly useless on a linux box.
I learned how to use pkzip on my dad's computer in the late 80s and early 90 At the time I was totally unaware of what happened between SEA and Phil Katz and only learned about that when I saw the BBS Documentary in 2007.. So although I didn't see it happening at the time, it seems a little weird. Ev if Phil Katz was a brilliant programmer, of Phil Katz did take code from SEA then I could see there being a legit legal case for intelletcual property theft.
Re: Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 06 2020 05:47 pm
Tracker1 wrote to Dennisk <=-
Wasn't there some flair up with pkware and another company? both abo the same size, but one mis-represented to be much larger.
this really sums it all up pretty well about sea's attitude about
the pkarc stuff.
really, read all of this. you will see what a jerk thom is.
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2398
the pkarc stuff.
really, read all of this. you will see what a jerk thom is.
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2398
Thanks for sharing the link...
I read a whole bunch of threads on this topic @ ipingthereforiam.com ... his 'jerkiness' doesn't stop or change... :P
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Jul 07 2020 09:08 pm
I could never get a winmodem to play nice with linux however I recall the were attempts to make it work. About 13 years ago there was a similar problem regarding poor suport for broadcom wireledd cards. A tool called NDISwrapper was needed to adapt a windows driver to function with linux.
The ones that sucked were those USB modems that introduced themselves as USB mass storage to the operating system. The idea with those is that the operat system (Windows) would get the drivers from the mass storage mode, and then those drivers to switch the USB unit to modem.
Linux developed the usb-switch utility to counter that, but in the early day when such utility was not widespread in repositories, it was ugly.
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gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es
I wonder how many people have landlines these days, let alone a modem? I guess if you DSL, you may require to maintain some landline phone service depending on how greedy the phone provider is, however I haven't connected a modem to a Windows system since XP. I stayed with dialup way past most people switching over because the cable and telco providers made empty promises toward bringing service to our area for the last 20 years. When I did have dialup, I repurposed and old K6-233 running Coyote linux off a floppy to act as a diaup router and dhcp server. I had a true external serial modem connected. Winmodems were mostly useless on a linux box.
A lot of people don't have landlines anymore because they use their mobiles instead. In many parts of Australia, we have NBN, which is a part-replaceme to the copper network (we still use copper for the last mile). So there is ability to have an analog phone, instead we have landline phones running off the NBN system.
This makes using a dial-up modem pretty much impossible I think.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
On 07-08-20 21:45, Dennisk wrote to Moondog <=-
A lot of people don't have landlines anymore because they use their mobiles instead. In many parts of Australia, we have NBN, which is a part-replacement to the copper network (we still use copper for the
last mile). So there is no ability to have an analog phone, instead we have landline phones running off the NBN system.
This makes using a dial-up modem pretty much impossible I think.
I'm in that boat, but a modem should be usable on the right setup. One of my VoIP providers allows me to configure the codecs used, and I can choose g711u or g711a, which are the same as what was used in digital POTS exchanges. Looks like I'll have to dig up an old modem and experiment. :)
On 07-11-20 03:10, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There's more than just the codec at play. Far bigger issue is packet delivery timing, stability, and latency. Don't try anything over 14.4
or it's pretty much universally unstable after a very short period. The slower the connection you try, the longer you can make it work as a
rule. ---
An updated documentary/report, that covers today's current status
would be interesting. It would be a sad commentary if the last thing
we have is the Cheesburger version! LOL
Dude, I was away from Dove-Net when everyone was discussing the
'cheeseburger review thing'! I searched youtube and saw a few quick bbs-reviews, if you can call them that, BUT.... what was the whole cheeseburger debacle?!
I missed it!
MRO wrote to Kurisu <=-
i know a 7 month baby and i gave her an old phone i wiped. somehow she
MRO wrote to Kurisu <=-
i know a 7 month baby and i gave her an old phone i wiped. somehow
she
Why would any sensible humanbeing give a month old baby
MRO wrote to Hakuchi <=-
she was 7 months.
she likes phones.
MRO wrote to Hakuchi <=-
she was 7 months.
Month, 7 months, 7 years ... what ever. Does not need a phone what so ever.
she likes phones.
O'RLY? I bet she would like blenders also, you should try if shes into blenders ...
MRO wrote to Hakuchi <=-
it has no sim card so she just uses it to play her kids youtube
videos. she's not talking to child predators.
yeah, that's something dangerous and what is essentially a tablet
computer can't hurt her. ---
MRO wrote to Hakuchi <=-
it has no sim card so she just uses it to play her kids youtube
videos. she's not talking to child predators.
You realise that is one messed up thing to say, don't you? You truly are something else ... aren't you?
yeah, that's something dangerous and what is essentially a tablet
computer can't hurt her. ---
The ignorance ... Poor girl.
if you think a little baby watching educational videos on youtube is 'messed up' and dangerous, there is probably something seriously wrong with you.
you're probably a pedophile.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Hakuchi on Sat Jul 25 2020 04:37 pm
if you think a little baby watching educational videos on youtube is
'messed up' and dangerous, there is probably something seriously
wrong with you.
you're probably a pedophile.
You seem to make some werid assumptions about people sometimes. How do you even come to the conclusion that he's a pedophile?
MRO wrote to Hakuchi <=-
if you think a little baby watching educational videos on youtube
is 'messed up' and dangerous, there is probably something
seriously wrong with you.
you're probably a pedophile.
if you think a little baby watching educational videos on youtube
is 'messed up' and dangerous, there is probably something
seriously wrong with you.
A little baby (7 months old you said) is not getting "educated" by
videos on youtube. It's simply being used as a baby-sitting
Jas Hud wrote to Gamgee <=-
if you think a little baby watching educational videos on youtube
is 'messed up' and dangerous, there is probably something
seriously wrong with you.
A little baby (7 months old you said) is not getting "educated" by
videos on youtube. It's simply being used as a baby-sitting
it's not a babysitting device. i'm right there[literally holding
her] and she also likes to watch kidzbop videos.
it's very important to give children as much intellectual stimuli
as possible so they don't end up like people like you.
he's a fucking weirdo. i also looked at his profile on vert.
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Jul 25 2020 11:37 pm
he's a fucking weirdo. i also looked at his profile on vert.
I didn't know Synchronet BBSes had any sort of user profiles you could browse.. What kind of information would be in there there, other than his BBS settings & preferences?
I didn't know Synchronet BBSes had any sort of user profiles you
could browse.. What kind of information would be in there there,
other than his BBS settings & preferences?
why should i say? so he can hide himself better and be a bigger dick?
i looked him up.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I didn't know Synchronet BBSes had any sort of user profiles you
could browse.. What kind of information would be in there there,
other than his BBS settings & preferences?
why should i say? so he can hide himself better and be a bigger dick?
i looked him up.
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what
sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't
know there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a
profile you could fill out for yourself.
why should i say? so he can hide himself better and be a bigger
dick? i looked him up.
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't know there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a profile you could fill out for yourself.
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what
sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't know
there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a profile
you could fill out for yourself.
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the documentation.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Re: The worst thing about BBS
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 26 2020 10:19 pm
I wasn't asking about specific details; I was just curious what
sort of user profile even exists on a Synchronet BBS. I didn't know
there were profiles of other users you could look up, or a profile
you could fill out for yourself.
sounds pretty specific to me. maybe you should read the documentation.
I'm familiar with the Synchronet documentation, and I've been using Synchronet since 2007.. I think I've become fairly familiar with Synchronet after 13 years. In 13 years I've never seen a user profile other than just the user's BBS settings/preferences. Except perhaps if
the user wants to create a profile in the Synchronet matchmaker door.
I'm familiar with the Synchronet documentation, and I've been using
Synchronet since 2007.. I think I've become fairly familiar with
Synchronet after 13 years. In 13 years I've never seen a user
profile other than just the user's BBS settings/preferences. Except
perhaps if
the user wants to create a profile in the Synchronet matchmaker door.
I just mentioned in another post about the plan file. Users can use finger to view another user's information, and they can put anything they want in the plan file.
"finger" and "plan", it comes up with no results. Does Synchronet support the finger protocol? I don't recall seeing that in the Synchronet docs,
I just mentioned in another post about the plan file. Users can use
finger to view another user's information, and they can put anything
they want in the plan file.
MRO wrote to Hakuchi <=-
if you think a little baby watching educational videos on youtube is 'messed up' and dangerous, there is probably something seriously wrong with you.
you're probably a pedophile.
Nightfox wrote to Dreamer <=-
I just mentioned in another post about the plan file. Users can use finger to view another user's information, and they can put anything they want in the plan file.
That's a *nix thing though, not a Synchronet thing (as far as I know).
I'm currently running Synchronet in Windows. Searching the Synchronet wiki for "finger" and "plan", it comes up with no results. Does Synchronet support the finger protocol? I don't recall seeing that in the Synchronet docs, but I suppose it's possible.
On 07-30-20 16:44, Dreamer wrote to Nightfox <=-
I think I'm probably one of the few who were ever really interested in
it, mainly
because I used these features in the early '90s before Linux was even a thing.
There's more than just the codec at play. Far bigger issue is packet delivery timing, stability, and latency. Don't try anything over 14.4 or it's pretty much universally unstable after a very short period. The slower the connection
you try, the longer you can make it work as a rule.
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