I found an old laptop with Pentium II. I think it is Pentium II because it was on sticker.
I tried to boot it up but nothing happened. I also tried to dismount a battery but still nothing.
Can you help me then please?
Sorry for my english I'm from Slovakia.
Thanks,
I tried to boot it up but nothing happened. I also tried to dismount a battery but still nothing.
Hello Guys!
I found an old laptop with Pentium II. I think it is Pentium II because it w on sticker.
I tried to boot it up but nothing happened. I also tried to dismount a batte but still nothing.
Can you help me then please?
Sorry for my english I'm from Slovakia.
Thanks,
On 06-12-20 20:19, Havok wrote to Basschestra <=-
Most likely if you don't get POST, (power on self test) most likely it
is
dead. Mother board, GPU or CPU. Power on self test is the screen you
see
when it tests memory and computer peripherals (things attached to the
PC. or if you don't see a screen that states HP, DELL and so on.
After it does the test then it starts to load the OS, operating
system.
Systems of that era often needed PCI or AGP video cards, and these would sometimes move in their slot over time. If you pull the card out and startu you should get a patterns of beeps from the PC speaker. If that's the case, try reseating the card. If still no joy, then another card should fix the issue.
On 06-12-20 20:19, Havok wrote to Basschestra <=-
Most likely if you don't get POST, (power on self test) most likely it is
dead. Mother board, GPU or CPU. Power on self test is the screen you see
when it tests memory and computer peripherals (things attached to the
PC. or if you don't see a screen that states HP, DELL and so on.
After it does the test then it starts to load the OS, operating system.
Systems of that era often needed PCI or AGP video cards, and these would sometimes move in their slot over time. If you pull the card out and startu you should get a patterns of beeps from the PC speaker. If that's the case, try reseating the card. If still no joy, then another card should fix the issue.
I've had to do that countless times on a fleet of PCs in a training centre - they were early Pentiums up until around the P3 era (it was many years ago : .
... Remember, you don't have to be smart to be a Sysop.It might require a new BIOs battery. The laptop may ahve a door or cover to access it, or you would have to open the case up.
Thanks. I will try it.
no we can't help you.
take it to a computer store or buy a new one.
Re: Pentium Laptop
By: MRO to Basschestra on Fri Jun 12 2020 08:53 pm
no we can't help you.
take it to a computer store or buy a new one.
Other the not being in the right echo (Hardware) Why shouldn't he ask?
Back in the 80's and 90's people went out of their way to help other!
I guess your not from that age group though.
Rude is what I call it but that is just me...
On 06-13-20 09:32, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i never heard of pci or agp video cards moving out of their sockets
over time. i used to get off lease computers and go through them all
and keep what i wanted. i never ran into that problem, even with my own stock of computers.
and if you get beeps, there's a reason. those are beep codes and you
can figure out what the real problem is by knowing what that code
means. monkeying around with shit is stupid if you have better options.
On 06-13-20 12:59, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It might require a new BIOs battery. The laptop may ahve a door or
cover to access it, or you would have to open the case up.
On 06-13-20 16:08, Havok wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to Havok on Sat Jun 13 2020 05:28 pm
I agree but in his case it's a laptop and as you know most if not all
are hardwired to the mother board.
he should take it to a computer store or buy a new one.
it's better for someone to see it in person to diagnose the issue.
over time. i used to get off lease computers and go through them all and keep what i wanted. i never ran into that problem, even with my own stock of computers.
I've seen it countless times - a combination of poorly made cases and freque PC movements in this situation.
My point is when you have the video card seating issue, you get nothing - it looks like the PC just won't boot, no beep codes, nothing. The quickest tes for this is to pull the card and see (hear) if there's a beep code. If ther is, try reseating the card, if not, the problem is elsewhere, keep troubleshoting.
On 06-13-20 12:59, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It might require a new BIOs battery. The laptop may ahve a door or cover to access it, or you would have to open the case up.
That's one I've never seen cause a "no boot". Normally a bad BIOS battery causes incorrect time on the RTC and/or setup errors on boot.
On 06-13-20 12:59, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It might require a new BIOs battery. The laptop may ahve a door or cover to access it, or you would have to open the case up.
That's one I've never seen cause a "no boot". Normally a bad BIOS battery causes incorrect time on the RTC and/or setup errors on boot.
... Honor thy error as a hidden intention
Good point. :)
It might require a new BIOs battery. The laptop may ahve a door or cover to access it, or you would have to open the case up.
On 06-14-20 11:59, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
the only thing that i can see unseating a video card is if it's not screwed in there to begin with and the plugging/unpluging of the
display pushes it up.... or if it's moved in a very rough manner. like dropped down a few inches.
if you say so but there's many things that can cause a computer not to boot. it could be ram, a card, something fried. it's strange that you dwell on the video card.
On 06-14-20 14:59, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've seen it with the Dallas RTC clock/ battery combos. A shorted coin cell could cause problems. Do not assume dead battery behavior will be the same as having no battery
On 06-14-20 18:34, Havok wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Laughing I DO remember the days of a ISA network card or a video card needing
to be pushed back in it's slot.
Sigh, you made me think of the old DOS/Winodows 3.0 days!
Good times...
Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It might require a new BIOs battery. The laptop may ahve a door or cover to access it, or you would have to open the case up.
That's one I've never seen cause a "no boot". Normally a bad BIOS battery causes incorrect time on the RTC and/or setup errors on boot.
I've seen it with the Dallas RTC clock/ battery combos.
A shorted coin cell could cause problems. Do not assume dead
battery behavior will be the same as having no battery
My experience was more in the Windows 95 - 98 era. :) The problem of cards working loose went away when everything was integrated onto the motherboard. :)
My experience was more in the Windows 95 - 98 era. :) The problem of cards They were actually. :)
No, I'm just countering what looked like false assumptions, you misinterpret what I was saying the first time around. And secondly, I was going through
You'll be surprised. I've seen it.
On 06-15-20 08:54, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't recall having a significant issue with expansion cards becoming loose. I really liked that a lot of the common things became
integrated onto the motherboard and was happy when I built my first PC where I didn't need an IDE card or an I/O card with COM ports. :) I still put a dedicated graphics card in my PC though, and with some PCs, I've also put in a PCI Express wifi card (though some motherboards now have integrated wifi too).
One thing I was always concerned about was integrated sound. I had
often heard that sound chipsets on motherboards were often fairly basic and relied more on CPU processing through drivers in order to produce sound, which would increase the CPU load a bit. I always liked having functionality in hardware if possible, at least to offload from the
CPU. I even had a dedicated sound card in my last PC. It didn't do hardware MIDI like older soundcards did though, but it had some control panel software that let you configure sound options, and it seemed to optimize sound when you're using headphones etc.. I'm not sure how
much of that was done in hardware on the card or by the driver though.
In the 90s, one of my favorite sound cards was the Sound Blaster AWE32 (and later, AWE64), and one thing I liked was their wavetable MIDI processing. Those cards even let you add dedicated RAM for wavetable samples (though I never actually added RAM to them). These days, it
seems wavetable MIDI is all done via software MIDI synthesis. I
suppose it's not a big deal these days and doesn't load down the CPU
too much. And if you're doing music recording on a PC, software MIDI makes it a lot easier to render a multi-track song to a single WAV
file.
On 06-15-20 15:21, Havok wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes my friend they were good times!
You made me think with Windows 95 how I let it boot to, what was it?
DOS 7.0
And still mostly used it as a DOS box.
Yes indeed, good times lots of fun back then!!!
On 06-15-20 18:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Jun 15 2020 10:55 am
No, I'm just countering what looked like false assumptions, you misinterpret what I was saying the first time around. And secondly, I was going through
i didnt misinterpret anything. quit trying to twist your bad advise
into something else.
On 06-15-20 20:31, Havok wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Jun 15 2020 10:55 am
You'll be surprised. I've seen it.
Laughing should we take this to the debate echo?
Hard to understand why trying to help someone out goes on and on!
In the 90s, one of my favorite sound cards was the Sound Blaster
AWE32 (and later, AWE64), and one thing I liked was their wavetable
MIDI processing. Those cards even let you add dedicated RAM for
For me, it was always the PCM that I made the most use of. I'm not much of a musician, sadly. :( For me, PCM was/is the gateway to tying all sorts of communication systems together, and wideband options beyond soundcards just make it more fun! :)
Yeah. Kinda miss some of those days, though I have to admit, I do love what today's tech can do - those old PCs wouldn't be doing what the newest additions to the shack are doing - like the dual SDR based receivers. :)
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't recall having a significant issue with expansion cards becoming loose.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Secondly, these PCs were frequently moved - daily to weekly, so cards would often work themselves just slightly loose - not visibly, but
enough to cause problems.
Yeah, the mind boggles. :)
On 06-16-20 08:39, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like to play music sometimes, but the quality of the waveform/PCM
audio is very important too. In the 90s, I used MIDI more often for PC
game music than playing/recording my own music. :) I did a lot of
gaming, and PC games back then used MIDI quite a bit.
On 06-16-20 08:46, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like the older PCs too, but I also like what computers can do these days. Dedicated graphics cards these days can even be used for general computing and number-crunching. And when a graphics card has maybe
1,500 or 2,000 cores or more, it can make number crunching a whole lot faster than using the CPU. I think graphics cards usually operate with
floating-point numbers most often though. But I've used applications
that can make use of a graphics card - For a while I was running some distributed computing projects (with BOINC), such as SETI@Home, World Community Grid, and others, and sometimes I'd get work units using the graphics card. The graphics card work units would usually finish in
about 2-10 minutes, whereas the CPU-bound work units would take about
3-6 hours or more to complete.
Recenty I've also been using some photo & video enlarging/upscaling software from Topaz Labs - Their software uses AI to enlarge & upscale photos & video in a way that makes them look more clear & sharp than
they would be with traditional software. Their AI video upscaling software can make use of an Nvidia graphics card, which is
significantly faster than using the CPU. Using the graphics card for
its upscaling can cut days off the upscaling time compared to using the CPU.
On 06-16-20 08:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Secondly, these PCs were frequently moved - daily to weekly, so cards would often work themselves just slightly loose - not visibly, but
enough to cause problems.
LAN PARTY!
On 06-16-20 20:48, Havok wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to Havok on Tue Jun 16 2020 08:29 pm
Yeah, the mind boggles. :)
Laughing I do enjoy reading your posts...
Even the ugly ones you reply to!
... I'm frequently appalled by the low regard you Earthmen have for
life.
Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Jun 15 2020 10:55 am
You'll be surprised. I've seen it.
Laughing should we take this to the debate echo?
Hard to understand why trying to help someone out goes on and on!
On 06-15-20 18:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Jun 15 2020 10:55 am
No, I'm just countering what looked like false assumptions, you misinterp what I was saying the first time around. And secondly, I was going throu
i didnt misinterpret anything. quit trying to twist your bad advise into something else.
That's not how the thread reads.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't recall having a significant issue with expansion cards becoming loose.
ISA and VLB cards did - especially the long VLB cards, if you didn't
mount the motherboard just right in a home-built computer.
If I start upgrading my video cards, it'll be mainly for the GPUs for all sorts of number crunching. ;)
when the cybercoin phase hit heavy, NVIDIA was releasing GPUs with no actual video connectors... they were only for doing calculations... some people bought some used GPUs when new ones came out... they were wanting to connect monitors but found they couldn't without the connectors... not sure if you only needed to solder on the connectors or if additional chips were needed but for many, they felt ripped off... i almost fell into that ""trap"" but had heard about this and inquired of the sellers if the GPUs had video connectors... they were honest with me, at least...
Even the ugly ones you reply to!
Someone's gotta do it. :)
Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jun 17 2020 02:44 pm
If I start upgrading my video cards, it'll be mainly for the GPUs for a sorts of number crunching. ;)
I just built a new desktop PC last year, and I thought of buying a second GP card for it to match the one I have, so I can do even more/faster number crunching.. :) The cards can be set up to work together to make video processing faster for games, too - but last time I tried that years ago, I don't think I could perceive any increase in speed with the games I was playing.
Graphics cards can be rather expensive though.. I'm not sure about the cost/benefit of buying a second one of what I already have. :)
And that is kewl I just can't do it any more too old I guess.
Laughing I guess what I'm saying is it nice someone picks up the club
and still swings it!
this is fucking dovenet. shit goes on forever.
That's a big difference. I'm not sure how much a GPU would help with the st I'm interested in, like software defined radio, which can get CPU intensive the bandwidth gets into the several MHz range, especially with multiple transmitters and/or receivers running simultaneously. I'm running a SDR wit 2.4 MHz RF bandwidth running 2 FM receivers in that passband, which uses aro 11% CPU. Not bad, but if I add receivers, I wonder what'll happen. :) I m have found a convenient way to monitor multiple calling and other frequencie :)
Recenty I've also been using some photo & video enlarging/upscaling software from Topaz Labs - Their software uses AI to enlarge & upscale photos & video in a way that makes them look more clear & sharp than they would be with traditional software. Their AI video upscaling software can make use of an Nvidia graphics card, which is significantly faster than using the CPU. Using the graphics card for its upscaling can cut days off the upscaling time compared to using the CPU.
That's pretty cool.
If I start upgrading my video cards, it'll be mainly for the GPUs for all so of number crunching. ;)
... After Tuesday, even the calender says WTF.
On 06-16-20 08:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Secondly, these PCs were frequently moved - daily to weekly, so cards would often work themselves just slightly loose - not visibly, but enough to cause problems.
LAN PARTY!
Haha they were never used for that, but were frequently moved around for different training needs.
... There are many internet scams; send me $20 to learn how.
Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jun 17 2020 02:44 pm
If I start upgrading my video cards, it'll be mainly for the GPUs for a sorts of number crunching. ;)
I just built a new desktop PC last year, and I thought of buying a second GP o - but last time I tried that years ago, I don't think I could perceive any Graphics cards can be rather expensive though.. I'm not sure about the cost
Nightfox
Last month I saw a company produced an 80 core ARM cpu. I cannot see it having ustility in a desktop role, however I could see it having applications in cloud computing and containers.
On 06-17-20 03:29, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it's your story, tell it how you wanna tell it.
you were wrong from the start anyways. didnt this guy have a laptop?
On 06-17-20 10:06, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Pentium Laptop
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jun 17 2020 14:44:00
Vk3jed> If I start upgrading my video cards, it'll be mainly for the
Vk3jed> GPUs for all sorts of number crunching. ;)
when the cybercoin phase hit heavy, NVIDIA was releasing GPUs with no actual video connectors... they were only for doing calculations...
some people bought some used GPUs when new ones came out... they were wanting to connect monitors but found they couldn't without the connectors... not sure if you only needed to solder on the connectors
or if additional chips were needed but for many, they felt ripped
off... i almost fell into that ""trap"" but had heard about this and inquired of the sellers if the GPUs had video connectors... they were honest with me, at least...
On 06-17-20 08:38, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just built a new desktop PC last year, and I thought of buying a
second GPU card for it to match the one I have, so I can do even more/faster number crunching.. :) The cards can be set up to work together to make video processing faster for games, too - but last time
On 06-17-20 13:47, Havok wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Your a younger man then and can still put up with all the nonsense.
And that is kewl I just can't do it any more too old I guess.
Laughing I guess what I'm saying is it nice someone picks up the club
and still swings it!
Thanks...
On 06-18-20 09:12, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Last month I saw a company produced an 80 core ARM cpu. I cannot see
it having ustility in a desktop role, however I could see it having applications in cloud computing and containers.
On 06-18-20 09:21, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
tore into the site sales rep. The purchase of 2000 more machines
counted on how they would fix that one system.
Sure enough we received an RMA later that day!
On 06-17-20 03:31, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
vk3jed is just full of shit. a card cant pop out if it's screwed in
the case.
On 06-17-20 16:22, MRO wrote to Havok <=-
dont forget to jerk him off while you are eating his ass.
On 06-17-20 03:29, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it's your story, tell it how you wanna tell it.
you were wrong from the start anyways. didnt this guy have a laptop?
I missed that bit initially, my bad, but I've already said that. But you ne to work on attitude.
On 06-17-20 03:31, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
vk3jed is just full of shit. a card cant pop out if it's screwed in the case.
No, not fully, but they can move enough to stop working. Been there, done that, seen it numerous times.
On 06-18-20 23:26, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
dont believe you. there's nothing that would make a card rise up on
its own considering the components.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
vk3jed is just full of shit. a card cant pop out if it's screwed in the case.
No, not fully, but they can move enough to stop working. Been there, done that, seen it numerous times.
dont believe you. there's nothing that would make a card rise up
on its own considering the components.
dropping it might do it a little. if it's not screwed into the
case that would make it possible.
it's your story, tell it how you wanna tell it.
you were wrong from the start anyways. didnt this guy have a laptop?
I missed that bit initially, my bad, but I've already said that. But you need to work on attitude.
On 06-19-20 18:10, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Lol; work on attitude.. on a BBS - good luck.
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