Anyone else involved in the hobby? I'm quite enjoying being back into it again. Got some great views of M13 and the Ring Nebula with the wife's 8" the other night. Looking forward to pointing that SBIG camera at both.
Chickenhead wrote to All <=-
So I decided to use the extra time I now have thanks to having to "work from home" thanks to the virus to clean up my old 11" SCT which has
been gathering dust (and worse) for a good 10 years. The wife has an
8" Orion dobsonian that was in a bad need of a cleanup as well.
Mine is a Celestron 11" CGE, a german equatorial go-to scope..I
upgraded from my trusty 8" wedge-mount for astrophotography but I ended
up drifting away from it all (probably thanks to meeting my wife).
I've also got an "old" (hah) SBIG ST-2000XCM single-shot color camera.
I had barely started using it when it failed and had to be sent back to California for repair...and I don't think I ever tested it out when I
got it back.
Well the time for that has come, as soon as the full moon goes away.
Anyone else involved in the hobby? I'm quite enjoying being back into
it again. Got some great views of M13 and the Ring Nebula with the
wife's 8" the other night. Looking forward to pointing that SBIG
camera at both.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chickenhead <=-
Re: Any Amateur Astronomers out there?
By: Chickenhead to All on Thu May 07 2020 03:41 pm
Anyone else involved in the hobby? I'm quite enjoying being back into it again. Got some great views of M13 and the Ring Nebula with the wife's 8" the other night. Looking forward to pointing that SBIG camera at both.
I've got a no-frills 3" refractor with a couple of eyepieces that I
have fun with. With a sky chart app for my phone it adds a whole new dimension to stargazing for me.
The kids always get a kick out of looking at the planets.
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby - aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
On 05-07-20 15:41, Chickenhead wrote to All <=-
Anyone else involved in the hobby? I'm quite enjoying being back into
it again. Got some great views of M13 and the Ring Nebula with the
wife's 8" the other night. Looking forward to pointing that SBIG
camera at both.
On 05-08-20 02:49, calcmandan wrote to Chickenhead <=-
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby -
aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
On 05-08-20 02:50, calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I can relate. My first time seeing Jupiter through a telescope, at 12,
was a major event of my life.
Anyone else involved in the hobby? I'm quite enjoying being back
into it again. Got some great views of M13 and the Ring Nebula
with the wife's 8" the other night. Looking forward to pointing
that SBIG camera at both.
On 05-08-20 02:49, calcmandan wrote to Chickenhead <=-
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby - aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
Yeah, aviation is rather expensive. Would love to learn to fly, but I can't see that happening. :/
... 100% of people who breathe, die.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Any Amateur Astronomers o
By: calcmandan to Chickenhead on Fri May 08 2020 02:49 am
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby - aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
A long time ago, I thought about getting a pilot's license (for small single-engine or 2-engine prop planes), but it's very expensive. At
the time (around 2005), I found the cost of training & licensing would
be around $10,000 for such a pilot license.
On 05-08-20 10:28, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Inspections and maintenence can get pricey. A former co-worker bought
a 1946 Piper Cub in pieces at an auction for $6000, but it took about $50k-$60k to make it air worthy. The canvas work had to be redone, and once assembled, the special UV resistant paint job cost at least $10k. outside the mechanic time, work had to be inspected during the build.
Sounds pricey, but if he would've bought it ready to fly he could've
spent twice as much.
On 05-08-20 11:35, Ogg wrote to Chickenhead <=-
Is it possible to see any of the equipment left on the moon?
Someone dropped off a Bushnell Computerized Star Locator, w/NorthStar Model 78-7860.
Is it worthwhile taking it out of the box?
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 05-08-20 02:49, calcmandan wrote to Chickenhead <=-
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby -
aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
Yeah, aviation is rather expensive. Would love to learn to fly, but I can't see that happening. :/
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 05-08-20 02:50, calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I can relate. My first time seeing Jupiter through a telescope, at 12,
was a major event of my life.
Indeed, and taking photos, that caps it off. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Chickenhead <=-
On 05-07-20 15:41, Chickenhead wrote to All <=-
Anyone else involved in the hobby? I'm quite enjoying being back into
it again. Got some great views of M13 and the Ring Nebula with the
wife's 8" the other night. Looking forward to pointing that SBIG
camera at both.
Cool, I have a 6" Newtonian, but haven't brought it out for stargazing
for ages. Used to do a bit of astrophotography as well - planetary
photos with a CCD astro camera.
Ogg wrote to Chickenhead <=-
Is it possible to see any of the equipment left on the moon?
Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-
On 05-08-20 10:28, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Inspections and maintenence can get pricey. A former co-worker bought
a 1946 Piper Cub in pieces at an auction for $6000, but it took about $50k-$60k to make it air worthy. The canvas work had to be redone, and once assembled, the special UV resistant paint job cost at least $10k. outside the mechanic time, work had to be inspected during the build.
Sounds pricey, but if he would've bought it ready to fly he could've
spent twice as much.
Yeah I can understand that. Seems most things involving aviation are expensive, because of the safety implications among other things. It's highly unlikely I'll get to fly a plane, not enough money or time these days.
On 05-09-20 06:34, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I forgot who told me on mumble that ham is more expensive, then showed
me an antenna to make his point.
i would find myself divorced if i had 200ft antenna installed in the
back yard.
On 05-09-20 06:35, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ican only imagine. Just the cost of a high quality imager. do they
still sell the ccd's? or do you just attach cameras now since they're
all digital now?
On 05-09-20 06:38, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Cool, I have a 6" Newtonian, but haven't brought it out for stargazing
for ages. Used to do a bit of astrophotography as well - planetary
photos with a CCD astro camera.
Share a link please
On 05-09-20 06:56, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We all make our choices on how we want our leisure money spent. I
wanted to fly not only for the freedom one achieves once pulling off
the runway, but the many options available for a great day trip.
I live in Sacramento, California. If I want to go to Fort Bragg, which
is on the north coast, it's at least a five hour drive. It includes
wavy one lane roads in mountains.. It's a three day trip. You have
hotel stays for the two nights, and at least four meals if you don't
pack your own food. Then the shopping. That's an expensive weekend.
That area is not cheap by any stretch or the imagination.
Next weekend I'll be flying there. From runway to runway it's 38
minutes. I can grab an uber or shuttle and be in town in less than five minutes. I can hit the beach, putz around town, grab a meal, do a bit
So, for me the perspective comes down to convenience with respect to travel. Luckily for me, California weather in the valley is extremely stable and very conducive to flight.
If I want to go to Mammoth Mountain to do some skiing, it may not be possible if the few roads leading to the Eastern Sierra are snowed in.
If they're not, it's an easy eight hour drive. Airline flight? Forget
it, they price it at luxury cost due to the location. I can be there in
25 minutes in my plane and land on a heated runway. I could be on the slopes within the time it takes to watch a movie at home.
So anyway, i'm done talking about it. I can go all day about what I
love about aviation. I didn't even mention the pilot community. Wow, that's another long post. Probably comparable to the HAM community.
So anyway, i'm done talking about it. I can go all day about what I love about aviation. I didn't even mention the pilot community. Wow, that's another long post. Probably comparable to the HAM community.
Daniel Traechin
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 05-09-20 06:38, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Cool, I have a 6" Newtonian, but haven't brought it out for stargazing
for ages. Used to do a bit of astrophotography as well - planetary
photos with a CCD astro camera.
Share a link please
for...?
Rampage wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat May 09 2020 06:56:00
calcmandan> I live in Sacramento, California. If I want to go to Fort
calcmandan> Bragg, which is on the north coast, it's at least a five
calcmandan> hour drive. It includes wavy one lane roads in mountains..
calcmandan> It's a three day trip. You have hotel stays for [...]
i had to read that several times... i'm in NC and only about an hour or
so from Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base... then i realized there may
be several "fort bragg" military installations... a little more digging showed me that your Fort Bragg, CA, is a town instead of a military installation :)
Paulie420 wrote to calcmandan <=-
So anyway, i'm done talking about it. I can go all day about what I love about aviation. I didn't even mention the pilot community. Wow, that's another long post. Probably comparable to the HAM community.
Everything you described there is awesome... I always thought about
taking lessons; I was a skydiver for years and enjoyed the way we
learned all aspects, and assumed it was even light compared to the attitude needed to get a pilots license.
I'm 40 now, kinda figure its too late for me.. but man; your writing
was awesome and I'm jealous... hell, where are you going this Saturday? Like my motorcycles, I'd want to go somewhere all the time... I heard right now that some airport in Death Valley is where they're parking
all the 737s that aren't in use right now. Could be a once in a
lifetime flight man....
Thanks for sharing; I heard its about 10k to get a license, and 6
months to a year. Is this far off?
On 05-09-20 08:21, Rampage wrote to calcmandan <=-
@VIA: VERT/SESTAR
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat May 09 2020 06:35:00
calcmandan> do they still sell the ccd's? or do you just attach
cameras
calcmandan> now since they're all digital now?
a quick google for "telescope ccd" turns up a list for me ranging from $150US to $800US... the $150US being for a "ZWO ASI120MC Super Speed
Color CMOS Telescope Camera"...
looks like you can mount it to the eyepiece on a telescope or directly
to a mount for use as an all-sky camera...
On 05-09-20 04:33, Paulie420 wrote to calcmandan <=-
Everything you described there is awesome... I always thought about
taking lessons; I was a skydiver for years and enjoyed the way we
learned all aspects, and assumed it was even light compared to the attitude needed to get a pilots license.
I'm 40 now, kinda figure its too late for me.. but man; your writing
was awesome and I'm jealous... hell, where are you going this Saturday? Like my motorcycles, I'd want to go somewhere all the time... I heard right now that some airport in Death Valley is where they're parking
all the 737s that aren't in use right now. Could be a once in a
lifetime flight man....
On 05-09-20 21:15, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You said you have photos from before.
Paulie420 wrote to calcmandan <=-
The attitude and mindset come with training. Those who are seriously thinking about being a pilot won't make it far in training without adopting, for lack of a better term, a "pilot's lifestyle." It generally comes natural. I just now deleted about a two thousand word essay, I'll leave it at that.
I got my license at forty-two. Last year a guy in his 90s got his license about an hour's drive from me, and the oldest to get a license was 102. You're in your prime dude, don't sell yourself short. Forty is the new thirty.
It varies widely. Some 'gaurantee' a forty hour program in a week. But it'll cost you $18k upfront. I really don't know how on earth someone can start monday and end on friday ready for a checkflight. This includes the solo flights, the cross countries, the night flights, then the written test. I spent weeks preparing for the written and had stacks of flash cards like I was in college again.
In the usual case, I don't go to flight schools because they'll drag on that training and milk your wallet as long as they can. Go to an independent flight instructor at your local general aviation airport who owns his own plane if available. Or, buy your own trainer aircraft and then hire him/her to get you up to speed in your own plane. Right now there's a shortage of instructrs due to demand, for some reason. When you get your license, sell the trainer for the same price you paid for it.
I was paying through the nose at a flight school when magazine articles began to make me think that I was being raped. The owner of a brewery asked how my flight was one day and then introduced me to a flight instructor who happened to be sitting next to me. Needless to say, I was in his plane the next morning for a lesson. At the end it cost me about $9k. It could've been $8k but I went through a phase where I was losing confidence in my landings and, so, it dragged on for a bit longer. It also took about six months, but, he had just gotten hired at a regional airline, and so we had a month here or two weeks there without training due to his airline schedule. It could've been shorter because I was serious.
But, if you're interested there's no need to commit to anything. Go to your local flight school or instructor and usually they'll provide a cheap first hour flight. It's called a 'discovery flight.' Everyone goes through it. They assess you during that hour and you get a taste of flight. You go over the basic manuevers one needs to master for the exam as well as a few takeoff and landings. When we took off on my discovery flight, the rush of takeoff got me yelling something like a whoot. Instructor was like 'yeah dude, I can see you being a pilot for sure.' Flying, at that point, was like crack.
You already know because you used to jump so the concept isn't foreign to you. It's the discipline of flight you haven't been introduced to yet. So start with that. You might be out $100 for the discovery flight experience, but I guarantee it won't be one to forget. There are three flights I'll nver forget. My discovery, my first solo, and when my examiner shook my hands and said 'congratulations, you're a pilot. Follow me.' I followed him into his office where he revoked my student license and printed my temporary airman's card.
Daniel TraechinPaul Hughes
i had to read that several times... i'm in NC and only about an hour
or so from Fort Bragg and Pope Air Force Base... then i realized
there may be several "fort bragg" military installations... a little
It even confuses Californians who hear Ft Bragg in movies and such. It's a famous base. The town is one of my favorites on the North Coast.
Monochrome will give better resolution, because the entire CCD surface is active for all wavelengths (colour requires filtering or elements with sensitivity to different wavelengths at pizel level). The downside of monochrome is that to get a colour image, you need to take 3 exposures with different filters, then combine them electronically.
So you're effectively trading off resolution against ease of use.
Yes, Daniel really does have a knack of getting one interested in aviation. :)
On 05-10-20 12:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's what I've heard. And when NASA releases photos of the earth and other things in space, I think some people get confused about the technology and process when they say the photos are edited and thus are fake, etc..
On 05-10-20 12:47, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I already had a bit of an interest in aviation. :) Around 2005, I had thought about getting a pilot's license (before I realized how
expensive it would be). But long before that, I had always enjoyed playing flight simulator games on my PC (such as Microsoft Flight
Simulator), and genrally I enjoy flying. However, lately when I fly somewhere on a commercial airline, I've become more nervous during dake-offs and landings in recent years. I'm not sure why it is, but lately during take-offs and landings (where there tends to be more turbulence), I've had more anxiety that something might go seriously wrong. I don't know why I feel that way lately, because I've been on
many flights in my life, and I know pilots fly commercial jets all the time.
This past November, I bought a copy of X-Plane 11 for my PC. I think
it's a great flight simulator. I just wish the 3rd-party add-ons
(custom aircrafts & scenery) didn't cost so much. Also, recently I
heard that Microsoft is coming out with a new Flight Simulator 2020,
which looks to have some great graphics, and I've heard it will use real-world map data, so the whole world's scenery will be available.
That will require an internet connection though, in order to get data
from Microsoft's Bing Maps servers.
On 05-10-20 10:29, Paulie420 wrote to calcmandan <=-
calcman, I understand you there too - about erasing a huge post and
going with something else in the end.. Your words about attitude and
mindset coming with training hit home for me; thats one of the reasons
I was thinking 40 wasn't the time - that I'm set in my ways, both good
and bad. Thanks for that, and... I guess I could see how being older
might be... different than learning at 20. I wonder in my case if it is even better... I, also, always thought that you'd really have to click with the person training you... and was one reason why I never started. But just like my dropzone, you'll never find it if you don't start somewhere... hmmmm..
LOL - trust me, I know that... I feel the best in my life @ 40. And I appreciate the perspective that I can still shoot for flight school. Hmmm..
Thats what happened after my first tandem jump. It turned into like...
10 tandem jumps, before my favorite guy to doso with was like dude,
just get in here and train for solo already...
calcman, thanks for writing all of this. In my 40s, I wondered if I
could 'get' the 'discipline of flight'.. thats what I worry about being able to find... if and when I start the journey, I'll be sure to post here. Jeeez Louise.... it would be rad to get to that end point. I'm in
a position where aircraft ownership could be a possibility - maybe 40
IS the time to start.
Simulator), and genrally I enjoy flying. However, lately when I fly
somewhere on a commercial airline, I've become more nervous during
dake-offs and landings in recent years. I'm not sure why it is, but
That's interesing. I still love flying, especially the take off and landings, probably because I'm a vestibular sensory seeker, and those phases of flight are the most stimulating to that sense. And yes, I do love roller coasters and wild rides at musement parks too. :)
calcman, thanks for writing all of this. In my 40s, I wondered if I
could 'get' the 'discipline of flight'.. thats what I worry about
being able to find... if and when I start the journey, I'll be sure
to post here. Jeeez Louise.... it would be rad to get to that end
point. I'm in a position where aircraft ownership could be a
possibility - maybe 40 IS the time to start.
40 is an age where you really can develop discipline and focus on activities requiring discipline, so it might be the right time to start. You're also going to be in a better position to get the "seriousness" of it all.
On 05-10-20 12:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's what I've heard. And when NASA releases photos of the earth and other things in space, I think some people get confused about the technology and process when they say the photos are edited and thus are fake, etc..
NASA does all sorts of things with their images, depending on the scientific needs. They can render them in true colours, but they often use false colou to highlight features of interest, for example. And NASA's true colour renderings are often done using muoltple exposures and filters, similar to w I meneioned last time around.
NASA does all sorts of things with their images, depending on the
scientific needs. They can render them in true colours, but they
often use false colou to highlight features of interest, for example.
And NASA's true colour renderings are often done using muoltple
exposures and filters, similar to w I meneioned last time around.
yes, their 'pictures' are fake as hell.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Rampage on Sun May 10 2020 05:22 pm
Monochrome will give better resolution, because the entire CCD surface is active for all wavelengths (colour requires filtering or elements with sensitivity to different wavelengths at pizel level). The downside of monochrome is that to get a colour image, you need to take 3 exposures with different filters, then combine them electronically.
So you're effectively trading off resolution against ease of use.
That's what I've heard. And when NASA releases photos of the earth and other things in space, I think some people get confused about the technology and process when they say the photos are edited and thus are fake, etc..
Paulie420 wrote to calcmandan <=-
going with something else in the end.. Your words about attitude and mindset coming with training hit home for me; thats one of the reasons
I was thinking 40 wasn't the time - that I'm set in my ways, both good
and bad. Thanks for that, and... I guess I could see how being older
might be... different than learning at 20. I wonder in my case if it is even better... I, also, always thought that you'd really have to click with the person training you... and was one reason why I never started. But just like my dropzone, you'll never find it if you don't start somewhere... hmmmm..
LOL - trust me, I know that... I feel the best in my life @ 40. And I appreciate the perspective that I can still shoot for flight school. Hmmm..
Hmmmm... so I don't mean to sound arrogant, but even 18k- isn't crazy
IMO. Now I really wouldn't want to pay all up front... but maybe I need
to start sniffing around and saving for a start. I would totally prefer
1k per month or something but... if I just get started saving while I locate a trainer I click with. Also, I think I might be leary of
learning all of that data within a week. Or even a month... isn't
rushed training, even if thorough, risky.... for the end pilot. I
wouldn't want to do that, even if it were an option.
Thank you for that piece of advice; I know its stupid, but the farthest
I ever got was going to beapilot.com and entering my details. Which
only gets a response from local flight schools. I'm scared to jump in
with a 50k (Or similar) purchase... but I hear you.
I personally think 6 months would be right for me. Allow me to pay as I go.
Thats what happened after my first tandem jump. It turned into like...
10 tandem jumps, before my favorite guy to doso with was like dude,
just get in here and train for solo already...
calcman, thanks for writing all of this. In my 40s, I wondered if I
could 'get' the 'discipline of flight'.. thats what I worry about being able to find... if and when I start the journey, I'll be sure to post here. Jeeez Louise.... it would be rad to get to that end point. I'm in
a position where aircraft ownership could be a possibility - maybe 40
IS the time to start.
I have children in Roseville, CA... I used to live there; I remember somewhere out past Marysville there is a small airport with homes right off the landing strips. People literally taxi to garages next to their house... yea, all of this is certainly something I'd be interested in.
I simply appreciate your post. Thanks a ton.
On 05-10-20 17:20, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Thinking about uneven weight distributions on rides & such makes me nervous too.. It's mostly on spinning rides like chair spinners (and other rides that spin multiple people around), tilt-a-whirl, Scrambler,
One time I was also flying on a 2-propellar passenger plane that held about 50 passengers, and it was at low capacity (maybe only 20 people
on board). Many of the passengers gathered toward the back of the
plane, and the captain asked us to spread out in the cabin to
distribute our weight more evenly.
On 05-10-20 21:22, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I started looking into what it takes to take pilot lessons when I was
25. I think I would have had the discipline back then (and if you
really want to do something, you're usually motivated to do it). I
just turned 40 a couple months ago, and I imagine I probably could
still do it if I had the money (and also the time).
I already had a bit of an interest in aviation. :) Around 2005, I had thought about getting a pilot's license (before I realized how expensive it would be). But long before that, I had always enjoyed playing flight
genrally I enjoy flying. However, lately when I fly somewhere on a commercial airline, I've become more nervous during dake-offs and landings in recent years. I'm not sure why it is, but lately during take-offs and
This past November, I bought a copy of X-Plane 11 for my PC. I think it's
This past November, I bought a copy of X-Plane 11 for my PC. I think it's a great flight simulator. I just wish the 3rd-party add-ons (custom aircrafts & scenery) didn't cost so much. Also, recently I heard that Microsoft is coming out with a new Flight Simulator 2020, which looks to have some great graphics, and I've heard it will use real-world map data, so the whole world's scenery will be available. That will require an internet connection though, in order to get data from Microsoft's Bing Maps servers.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Paulie420 on Mon May 11 2020 09:36 am
calcman, thanks for writing all of this. In my 40s, I wondered if I
could 'get' the 'discipline of flight'.. thats what I worry about
being able to find... if and when I start the journey, I'll be sure
to post here. Jeeez Louise.... it would be rad to get to that end
point. I'm in a position where aircraft ownership could be a
possibility - maybe 40 IS the time to start.
40 is an age where you really can develop discipline and focus on
activities requiring discipline, so it might be the right time to
start. You're also going to be in a better position to get the
"seriousness" of it all.
I started looking into what it takes to take pilot lessons when I was 25. I think I would have had the discipline back then (and if you really want to do something, you're usually motivated to do it). I just turned 40 a couple months ago, and I imagine I probably could still do it if I had the money (and also the time).
Nightfox
Call your local airport's operations person and inquire. Or visit their website and find their CFI listing. I'd stay away from referral services who're sending you to a school that paid for the referral. Hell, go to the airport and ask around. It's a tight community. You'd be surprised how many pilots are licensed instructors and a chance meeting with one at the airport could initiate your training.
Again, you really wouldn't know until you start and get a handle of all the requirements. Stay away from 'pilot kits' that they'll try to sell. It's usually a box full of books, a logbook, flight calculators, etc. Usually in the range of $400 for the kit. The books are all printed versions of free FAA PDF guides. You can print them yourself or read them off a tablet. The flight computers are easy to get online, as well other stuff like a kneeboard. All-in-all I could get those items for about $30 with some searching on various websites including amazon.
The flight safety institute has gobs of training vids on youtube. That site is an invaluable tool.
You can get it if you want it. No one goes into flying with a death wish. It's a serious discipline that can lead to a ilfetime of rewarding memories.
I'm twenty minutes from Roseville.
No problem. It's not hard for me to get lost on a post about aviation and that's especially true when people show interest.
So early in my 40's I did a lot of flying - I have 80 or so hrs, but I havent flown for about 10 years :( (Found a wife and had kids.) I am keen to get back into it when time permits.
it's a great flight simulator. I just wish the 3rd-party add-ons
(custom aircrafts & scenery) didn't cost so much. Also, recently I
heard that Microsoft is coming out with a new Flight Simulator 2020,
I just saw a Youtube video about the new Microsoft one, and yea that looks flipping rad man. I never liked them using a standard keyboard and mouse... like, they would be so neat with the cockpit controls... but yea,
Currently I'm living in Portland, OR...
So you have a pilots license, yea? If you take time off, do you need to retrain or... just take your own time to get reaquinted with the whole ordeal?
alterego wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sun May 10 2020 12:47 pm
I already had a bit of an interest in aviation. :) Around 2005, I had thought about getting a pilot's license (before I realized how expensive it would be). But long before that, I had always enjoyed playing flight
genrally I enjoy flying. However, lately when I fly somewhere on a commercial airline, I've become more nervous during dake-offs and landings in recent years. I'm not sure why it is, but lately during take-offs and
So early in my 40's I did a lot of flying - I have 80 or so hrs, but I havent flown for about 10 years :( (Found a wife and had kids.) I am
keen to get back into it when time permits.
I travel a lot for work - internationally and I too was a bit jittery
with travel early in my working life - especially when there was turbulence. This nothing more freaky than being at 40,000 feet, seeing mountains and feeling the wind pushing you sideways, over China... (Or hiting clear air turbulance in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on the
way home to AU.)
But, when I started flying, only ever going to 10,000 feet - its
actually helped me a lot with flying as a passenger. I am no longer gittery and I've been in quite a few rough flights. Even not long after going solo, I've had a couple of very bumpy rides - and being in
control of the flight keeps you busy so you dont have time to worry :)
One thing experience helps you with, is you recognise and get used to
the bumps - just like you used to freak out whenever you felt anything uneven in the road when you first started driving. Now, you probably
dont notice it.
This past November, I bought a copy of X-Plane 11 for my PC. I think it's
Flightsim is great too - but it lacks that "6th sense" you get when you are out there :) ...¢E¢*
Sims are extremely limiting to me. It's not really possible for me to do actual pattern work due to the fact that I don't have wraparound screens to eyeball the runway and such. I've seen people use VR, but a keyboard is no substitute with an actual throttle or yoke.
What coutnry are you in?
Flightsim is great too - but it lacks that "6th sense" you get when
you are out there :)
Sims are extremely limiting to me. It's not really possible for me to do actual pattern work due to the fact that I don't have wraparound screens to eyeball the runway and such. I've seen people use VR, but a keyboard is no substitute with an actual throttle or yoke.
Paulie420 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sun May 10 2020 09:22 pm
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Paulie420 on Mon May 11 2020 09:36 am
calcman, thanks for writing all of this. In my 40s, I wondered if I
could 'get' the 'discipline of flight'.. thats what I worry about
being able to find... if and when I start the journey, I'll be sure
to post here. Jeeez Louise.... it would be rad to get to that end
point. I'm in a position where aircraft ownership could be a
possibility - maybe 40 IS the time to start.
40 is an age where you really can develop discipline and focus on
activities requiring discipline, so it might be the right time to
start. You're also going to be in a better position to get the
"seriousness" of it all.
I started looking into what it takes to take pilot lessons when I was 25. I think I would have had the discipline back then (and if you really want to do something, you're usually motivated to do it). I just turned 40 a couple months ago, and I imagine I probably could still do it if I had the money (and also the time).
Nightfox
Gosh, all this talk really does make me want to look for a flight instructer. That was the big hangup when I looked into it (consisting
of one trip to an airport with training.. not a lot.)... I didn't think
I clicked with the much older instructer and knew I'd be with him for a long time.
Paulie420 wrote to alterego <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: alterego to Nightfox on Mon May 11 2020 10:17 pm
So early in my 40's I did a lot of flying - I have 80 or so hrs, but I havent flown for about 10 years :( (Found a wife and had kids.) I am keen to get back into it when time permits.
So you have a pilots license, yea? If you take time off, do you need to retrain or... just take your own time to get reaquinted with the whole ordeal?
Thats one thing I'd be interested in hearing... like with my skydiving,
I haven't done so since I lived in California, and if I was gonna jump again I'd.... well, I wouldn't go signup for lessons again but I'd call one of my jumper friends and ask them to go over things with me and accompany me on a jump up...
With aviation, if you take 10 years off, is there a process to get back
in the air?
alterego wrote to Paulie420 <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Paulie420 to alterego on Mon May 11 2020 08:37 am
So you have a pilots license, yea? If you take time off, do you need to retrain or... just take your own time to get reaquinted with the whole ordeal?
I dont believe I need to do the whole thing again, but I do need to be "checked".
I'm not fully licensed, I am restricted to 15 hrs solo, rechecked every
90 days. Plus to take passengers, I need to have done 3 take offs and landings in the previous 30 days.
exposures and filters, similar to w I meneioned last time around.
yes, their 'pictures' are fake as hell.
I don't think what they do invalidates their photos. They probably need the higher resolution from the black & white sensors.
"Fake" - You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means (in this context).
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to alterego on Mon May 11 2020 11:23 pm
Sims are extremely limiting to me. It's not really possible for me to do actual pattern work due to the fact that I don't have wraparound screens to eyeball the runway and such. I've seen people use VR, but a keyboard is no substitute with an actual throttle or yoke.
I've seen fairly elaborate flight controls connected to a PC, so you aren't limited to just a keyboard. I've seen people share photos of
their setups, like this one: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/f2/c3/42f2c36844fc14828b10323289ec3037 .jpg
alterego wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to alterego on Mon May 11 2020 11:23 pm
What coutnry are you in?
Australia.
Flightsim is great too - but it lacks that "6th sense" you get when
you are out there :)
Sims are extremely limiting to me. It's not really possible for me to do actual pattern work due to the fact that I don't have wraparound screens to eyeball the runway and such. I've seen people use VR, but a keyboard is no substitute with an actual throttle or yoke.
That's the 6th sense I'm talking about.
You also dont feel youself falling or floating when you approach the runaway - where you need to play with the RPMs a wee bit.
I learnt at Moorabbin (YMML) and on approach to 17L there is a small
lake on a golf course on short final. Sometimes on hot days you would
feel going over the lake - a small dip, which if you werent ready for would mess up your approach ;) ...¢E¢*
I've seen fairly elaborate flight controls connected to a PC, so you
aren't limited to just a keyboard. I've seen people share photos of
their setups, like this one:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/f2/c3/42f2c36844fc14828b10323289ec
3037
.jpg
I've seen them all but I can't imagine spending all that money on a fake cockpit when I have a real one in a plane to fly in. Nothing is a substitute for real flight. Even instrument training is allowed some hours to be done in simulators because it's partially about learning how to read the instruments. But, most of it is in the cockpit.
Airline pilots use simulators to practice their emergency procedures becasue it's far cheaper than doing it in a real jet. And also, you walk away from them.
It's cool to have a simulator as a pilot, not saying it isn't. But I could guarantee you that is far different than the real thing.
What's your license?
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Tue May 12 2020 02:29 am
I've seen fairly elaborate flight controls connected to a PC, so you
aren't limited to just a keyboard. I've seen people share photos of
their setups, like this one:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/f2/c3/42f2c36844fc14828b10323289ec
3037
.jpg
I've seen them all but I can't imagine spending all that money on a fake cockpit when I have a real one in a plane to fly in. Nothing is a substitute for real flight. Even instrument training is allowed some hours to be done in simulators because it's partially about learning how to read the instruments. But, most of it is in the cockpit.
Airline pilots use simulators to practice their emergency procedures becasue it's far cheaper than doing it in a real jet. And also, you walk away from them.
It's cool to have a simulator as a pilot, not saying it isn't. But I could guarantee you that is far different than the real thing.
True, though it's like driving/racing games - I have a car that I
drive, but I still like plaing racing games on my PC sometimes. I've never flown a plane, but what if it's 11:00PM on a Saturday or
something and it's not really convenient to drive out to the local
airport and rent a Cessna? I know it's not exactly like the real
thing, and in a way it's not really supposed to be, but I think it's
still fun. And even if you do have a pilot's license, there might
still be things you could do in a flight simulator that you maybe
wouldn't do in real life. How about flying an SR-71? Or flying from a different airport than where you live. Or what have you. Sometimes there's some funny stuff available for flight simulators too - They usually allow custom aircrafts, and I've seen people make things like
the USS Enterprise from Star Trek, or the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars, as an aircraft for a flight simulator. It's fun stuff like that.
I also think things like flight simulators for a PC can also be a
showcase for things like realistic graphics, etc.. Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 seems particularly interesting because it will be using live map data from Microsoft's Bing Map servers to show actual scenery from the whole world, rather than generated generic scenery and scenery packs you have to install individually for certain locations.
alterego wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to alterego on Tue May 12 2020 02:23 am
What's your license?
The licensing has changed since I started - my license is "GFPT"
(General Flying Progress Test".
It means I'm restricted to single engine aircraft using VFR, can fly
solo and take passengers, but I must return to the same field that I depart from, and I cannot fly further than 10 miles without approval.
I also have to be checked every 15hrs, or 90 days, whichever occurs
first.
The next step is PPL (Private Pilot) - which I did all the theory and passed, I just have to do the fligt test. Once you have, you can sign
the morning aircraft check, fly anywhere and only need to be checked
every 2 years. But still must have completed 3 take offs in 30 days to take passengers. ...¢E¢*
yes, their 'pictures' are fake as hell.
they take white dots and color them and draw swirls and other
bullshit.
On 05-11-20 21:52, Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
True, though it's like driving/racing games - I have a car that I
drive, but I still like plaing racing games on my PC sometimes. I've
I also think things like flight simulators for a PC can also be a
showcase for things like realistic graphics, etc.. Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 seems particularly interesting because it will be using live map data from Microsoft's Bing Map servers to show actual scenery from the whole world, rather than generated generic scenery and scenery packs you have to install individually for certain locations.
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Paulie420 on Mon May 11 2020 09:36 am
I started looking into what it takes to take pilot lessons when I was 25. I think I would have had the discipline back then (and if you really want to do something, you're usually motivated to do it). I just turned 40 a couple months ago, and I imagine I probably could still do it if I had the money (and also the time).
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Paulie420 to calcmandan on Mon May 11 2020 08:34 am
Currently I'm living in Portland, OR...
You're not far from me. :P
Currently I'm living in Portland, OR...
You're not far from me. :P
Where are your where-abouts these days?
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Paulie420 to calcmandan on Mon May 11 2020 08:34 am
Currently I'm living in Portland, OR...You're not far from me. :P
Nightfox
I dont believe I need to do the whole thing again, but I do need to be "checked".
I'm not fully licensed, I am restricted to 15 hrs solo, rechecked every 90 days. Plus to take passengers, I need to have done 3 take offs and landings in the previous 30 days.
So when I get back into it, I'll do a couple of sessions with an instructor (and then when they are happy with me, they'll approve me for solo opertaions again within the constraints of my license).
I hope when I get back into it, I can change to full PPL - which means the 15hrs/90 days gets lifted, and changed to every 2 years. But the passenger rule still applies. (I've done all the theory work, just need to do the flight test.) ...ëîå*
You'll never know until you jump into that cockpit with him. If you don't click with him, your hours still count. You don't start all over because you have a new instructor. I went through three instructors with my first school and my final instructor to finish my training. All those hours added up to meet my minimum requirements.
The discipline I mentioned in a previous post, and the seriousness you have to have, are necessary not just for being a good safe pilot, but it's also there for you to obtain the knowledge during the four hour exam with the FAA examiner. He's watching your body language, bmobarding you with all matter of questions, studying your logbook, trying to trick you. He'll be asking you regulation questions while conducting a stall recovery, for instance. These peple are entrusted by the FAA to approve your license. The guy who examined me has an INTENSE history. From military fighter pilot, to combat helo pilot, to airline/cargo pilot, test pilot. He was a veritable dictionary of knowledge and he deemed me safe as a pilot. My CFI never would have endorsed my logbook for a checkride if he wasn't sure I was ready. He has to maintain an 80% passing rate of students to maintain his license to teach. This stuff is serious.
Daniel TraechinPaul Hughes
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 11 2020 23:09:01
Nightfox>>>> exposures and filters, similar to w I meneioned last time
Nightfox>>>> around.
yes, their 'pictures' are fake as hell.
Nightfox>> I don't think what they do invalidates their photos. They
Nightfox>> probably need the higher resolution from the black & white
Nightfox>> sensors. "Fake" - You keep using that word. I don't think
Nightfox>> it means what you think it means (in this context).
they take white dots and color them and draw swirls and other bullshit.
you really don't understand how it works, then, if that's all you think is being done... they certainly do not "draw swirls and other bullshit"...
the key is the use of filters which allow only certain light frequencies to recorded on the black and white film in shades... so you get a photo of only oxygen, or only nitrogen, or only some other gas you are filtering for... th they apply a chosen color to each so that, for example, the oxygen photo is shades of blue on color film... maybe yellow for nitrogen shades and maybe r for carbon dioxide shades... so now you have three color photos, each one is only the selected gas reflected light frequency... they are then aligned and overlaid so they are combined into one color picture and there it is...
sometimes they may take stacks of each filtered black and white and stack th to bring out more of the gas light frequencies... then they do the same as above and you come out with a more brillant colored photo of that area of space...
the reason for the stacking is because each of the pixels comes out stronger because stacking is an additive process... so if you have pixels in one phot of a specific area that are range 50 to 100 and pixels in another photo of t same area that are 75 to 125, they are added together so the stacked range i 50 to 225... remember, these are all taken through one filter so what has be done is to enhance/brighten the stuff you might not see because it was dim.. but now that you've stacked the images, they're added together and they're brighter in the image...
this is exactly how you do photography so you can see what might not be visi to the naked eye... it is certainly not "fake" or "drawn swirls and other bullshit"...
Yea, I get thru Hillsboro a couple times a week. Well, under normal circumstances anyhow... I pray that things will look normal again anytime soon. Ugh.
Rampage wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Tue May 12 2020 06:45:00
calcmandan> What we're really waiting on are the physics engine.
this already exists... JSBSim is a FDM (Flight Dynamics Model)... it
can be used in numerous apps that need flight physics calculated... one only need supply the necessary numbers to calculate the desired
results...
http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/
calcmandan> A simulator that can emulate real stalling conditions,
this is available now with proper modeling numerics... wind tunnel
numbers are important and when they are fed into a numerical processor like JSBSim that has the right functions defined, then you get very realistic stalls, spins, and other flight characteristics... almost anything can be modeled... even water/gas flow...
calcmandan> cross winds that are realistic, etc.
this is the hard part... where are you going to get this information
from? METAR is available but it carries a small subset of what is needed... you can extrapolate between METARs from different locations
and get something that is close but you likely will not see rain (for example) outside your window when the similator is showing rain at your location...
calcmandan> Earlier sims were really lacking in that department.
yes, very much so... but those were also mainly games and not
simulators even though they may have had "simulator" in their name ;)
full disclosure: i've been working with flightgear for some 5 years or so... it is a 20 year old project originally created to have better graphics than what m$ flight simulator and other available sims
provided at the time... there are numerous companies using FG for their flight simulations and training scenarios... recently there's a project
by a group working with the military to simulate and test the detection and tracking of objects like other craft, missiles in flight, and other stuff related to spatial awareness in one's surrounding area...
there are also numerous folks building their own cockpits to use for
their similators... at least one uses a huge curved mylar screen
mounted on a wood frame and kept taut by vaccuum... the scenery is projected on it for a full 3D surround image... some of these guys are cutting their panels out of metal sheet... some are using plastic
sheet... some are building entire panels using 3D printing... it is all pretty cool watching their progress and how they are solving problems
like having dozens of inputs by using (for example) several arduinos reading input matrixes and outputting that data to the cockpit
guages...
one of our very own sysops and sbbs operators owns an actual F-15
cockpit that he's working into a fully operational simulator with flightgear ;)
https://www.f15sim.com/
amazing the stuff that comes out of washington state :)
It might be a moment, because of corona... but I will let you know when
I make my first contact with the flight school. Like I said, I know the one place here.. Stark's Twin Oaks Airpark... and I'm just gonna pull
on in there man. I really have interest, money and a body.. I wanna be
the best 40 I can be. :P
Jon Justvig wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sun May 10 2020 09:22 pm
Hi Nightfox,
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Paulie420 on Mon May 11 2020 09:36 am
I started looking into what it takes to take pilot lessons when I was 25. I think I would have had the discipline back then (and if you really want to do something, you're usually motivated to do it). I just turned 40 a couple months ago, and I imagine I probably could still do it if I had the money (and also the time).
If you're getting your pilot's license, bring your chopper around here,
k? We could cruise through the neighborhood with the bright beam on
and see what people are doing. ;)
Rampage wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 11 2020 23:09:01
Nightfox>>>> exposures and filters, similar to w I meneioned last time
Nightfox>>>> around.
yes, their 'pictures' are fake as hell.
Nightfox>> I don't think what they do invalidates their photos. They
Nightfox>> probably need the higher resolution from the black & white
Nightfox>> sensors. "Fake" - You keep using that word. I don't think
Nightfox>> it means what you think it means (in this context).
they take white dots and color them and draw swirls and other
bullshit.
you really don't understand how it works, then, if that's all you think
is being done... they certainly do not "draw swirls and other
bullshit"...
they are artists renderings. boy i wish this was facebook so i can do my laugh emoji
you really don't understand how it works, then, if that's all you
think is being done... they certainly do not "draw swirls and other
bullshit"...
Do shop around. Craigslist is a good place to start. Not saying all schools rip you off, but they've earned a reputation and I also speak from experience.
Daniel Traechin
I've got a no-frills 3" refractor with a couple of eyepieces that I have fun with. With a sky chart app for my phone it adds a whole new dimension to stargazing for me.
The kids always get a kick out of looking at the planets.
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby - aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
Daniel Traechin
Cool, I have a 6" Newtonian, but haven't brought it out for stargazing for ages. Used to do a bit of astrophotography as well - planetary photos with a CCD astro camera.
Is it possible to see any of the equipment left on the moon?
Someone dropped off a Bushnell Computerized Star Locator, w/NorthStar Model 78-7860.
Is it worthwhile taking it out of the box?
Ican only imagine. Just the cost of a high quality imager. do they still sell the ccd's? or do you just attach cameras now since they're all digital now?
Daniel Traechin
On 05-13-20 15:14, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronomers out there?
By: Vk3jed to Chickenhead on Fri May 08 2020 09:41 pm
Cool, I have a 6" Newtonian, but haven't brought it out for stargazing for ages. Used to do a bit of astrophotography as well - planetary photos with a CCD astro camera.
Oddly enough I never did ANY planetary photos in the past. I was primarily obsessed with deep sky. No longer...I can't wait to get Jupiter in focus.
The wife has her own 8" dobsonian from years back she hasn't used in a very long while. I cleaned that one up too..still gets some nice
views. Takes only seconds to set up, unlike my 11" CGE.
Rampage wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Rampage on Wed May 13 2020 01:45:00
you really don't understand how it works, then, if that's all you
think is being done... they certainly do not "draw swirls and other
bullshit"...
calcmandan> Don't feed him.
i'm not feeding him... he's playing ignorant and carrying on about
artist renderings as if they are the only NASA/space pictures there are
;)
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and thousands of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
On 05-13-20 07:40, Rampage wrote to MRO <=-
*SOME* are artist renderings but certainly not all of them... there's hundreds of thousands of actual photos vs several thousand artist renderings :smh:
On 05-13-20 14:58, Chickenhead wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
You need to get up pretty early in the morning right now to see the planets. Venus is out at sunset but it's pretty dull compared to
Jupiter and Saturn. Saturn never fails to get a "wow" out of anyone I
let look through my scope. The AHK Gang! Live on Riot.im. When we
feel like it.
On 05-13-20 15:11, Chickenhead wrote to calcmandan <=-
@VIA: VERT
Re: Any Amateur Astronomers o
By: calcmandan to Chickenhead on Fri May 08 2020 02:49 am
I always wanted to, and now that I'm in a comfortable income bracket, I still can't afford amateur astronomy due to my other big hobby - aviation. I won't be able to afford HAM, which has a strong pull.
Daniel Traechin
I've been wanting to get my HAM license for way too long...was actually going to start studying for it when I got sick last fall and that whole fiasco ended up taking most of my concentration.
Astrophotography always feels like a black art to me. I've done it
using an old Pentax K-1000 with the shutter held open for 15 minutes
with me at the eyepiece self-guiding, and I've done it with a couple different astro CCD cameras. Manual guiding with a camera is certainly the least technical, but can be...well, long, and hard on the neck.
Plus with actual film going the way of the dodo...I doubt I'll be
trying that anymore.
And yet CCD astrophotography is intensely technical, at least with the SBIG cameras (never tried any others). Finally got out last night with
my ST-2000XCM and spent most of the time fiddling with the software.
Once the camera is on, focusing can be maddening. And then there's all the mount calibration tweaking and whatnot.
But at any rate I'll share the fruits of my first attempt in
decades...the globular cluster M13 in Hercules:
http://www.maplecroft.ca/astro/m13-05-13-2020.jpg
Vk3jed wrote to Chickenhead <=-
On 05-13-20 14:58, Chickenhead wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
You need to get up pretty early in the morning right now to see the planets. Venus is out at sunset but it's pretty dull compared to
Jupiter and Saturn. Saturn never fails to get a "wow" out of anyone I
let look through my scope. The AHK Gang! Live on Riot.im. When we
feel like it.
Nothing really beats Saturn, it is always spectacular through a
telescope. Jupiter's not bad either, especially when its larger moons
get into the act. :)
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and
thousands of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
*SOME* are artist renderings but certainly not all of them...
there's hundreds of thousands of actual photos vs several thousand
artist renderings :smh:
On 05-14-20 06:31, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nothing really beats Saturn, it is always spectacular through a
telescope. Jupiter's not bad either, especially when its larger moons
get into the act. :)
It would be hella if Io ever eclipsed the red spot, smack in the
middle.
On 05-14-20 05:22, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed> But images of the planets these days are almost all, if not
all,
Vk3jed> actual photographs, since NASA has a huge number from their
Vk3jed> robotic missions.
exactly... and anyone espousing anything else about them is displaying their ignorance, being a troll, or both...
Don't feed him.
Daniel Traechin
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: MRO to Rampage on Tue May 12 2020 18:40:50
Rampage>> this is exactly how you do photography so you can see what
Rampage>> might not be visible to the naked eye... it is certainly not
Rampage>> "fake" or "drawn swirls and other bullshit"...
they are artists renderings. boy i wish this was facebook so i can do laugh emoji
*SOME* are artist renderings but certainly not all of them... there's hundre of thousands of actual photos vs several thousand artist renderings :smh:
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and thousand of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
I know they're real but does it matter what game he's playing if the end res is trollery? When he threatened to kick my ass one day, which gave me a heal belly laugh, I realized that he's one to be ignored.
exactly... and anyone espousing anything else about them is displaying their ignorance, being a troll, or both...
Yep. :)
On 05-14-20 18:38, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
call me a crazy or an idiot or a troll. i dont give a fuck.
but when you take a little white dot and color in things that
MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or maybe they
are visible.
Rampage wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Rampage on Thu May 14 2020 00:08:00
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and
thousands of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
calcmandan> I know they're real
yeah... that wasn't really directed at you, though... it was just a conclusion to the previous...
calcmandan> but does it matter what game he's playing if the end
result
calcmandan> is trollery?
i'm of two minds on this...
1. don't feed the trolls
2. don't allow false statements to live
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 05-14-20 06:31, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nothing really beats Saturn, it is always spectacular through a
telescope. Jupiter's not bad either, especially when its larger moons
get into the act. :)
It would be hella if Io ever eclipsed the red spot, smack in the
middle.
That would be a great shot! :)
I've seen one with the ISS transiting the moon, taken by an amateur astronomer.
MRO wrote to Rampage <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Rampage to calcmandan on Wed May 13 2020 07:50 am
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and thousand of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
the real stuff is not awe inspiring. it's quite boring and bland.
that's why they have artists draw them instead.
MRO wrote to all <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Rampage on Thu May 14 2020 12:08 am
I know they're real but does it matter what game he's playing if the end res is trollery? When he threatened to kick my ass one day, which gave me a heal belly laugh, I realized that he's one to be ignored.
now that time i was actually trolling you because you were so stupid
and you couldnt catch on to what we were talking about.
glad you had a belly laugh.
On 05-14-20 18:38, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
call me a crazy or an idiot or a troll. i dont give a fuck.
but when you take a little white dot and color in things that MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or maybe they are visible.
References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
just going by what i've seen from nasa over the years.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
On 05-15-20 01:10, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've seen one with the ISS transiting the moon, taken by an amateur astronomer.
I've seen a few of the ISS, the Shuttle, the Shuttle & ISS before
meeting. Great stuff.
On 05-15-20 01:48, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
just going by what i've seen from nasa over the years.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Fri May 15 2020 12:21 pm
On 05-14-20 18:38, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
call me a crazy or an idiot or a troll. i dont give a fuck.
but when you take a little white dot and color in things that MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or maybe they are visible.
References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
just going by what i've seen from nasa over the years.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
you keep believing that.
so where do you draw the line? they take a white dot and add all
kinds of bullshit to it.
when does it stop being an actual photograph?
the real stuff is not awe inspiring. it's quite boring and bland.
that's why they have artists draw them instead.
but when you take a little white dot and color in things that MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or
maybe they are visible.
but when you take a little white dot and color in things that
MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or maybe
they are visible.
just going by what i've seen from nasa over the years.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
MRO wrote to Rampage <=-
the real stuff is not awe inspiring. it's quite boring and bland.
that's why they have artists draw them instead.
but when you take a little white dot and color in things that MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or maybe they are visible.
References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Boring? no. Bland? Maybe. Just the sheer fact that we're seeing it up close with the equivalent of a Nokia candy bar phone with a dish antenna, sensors, and a plutonium battery traveling at 20,000 miles an hour is pretty freaking awesome.
Nice. They sound perfect for deep space work. Do you know the focal length of those telescopes?
Deep space usually needs a wider aperture and shorter focal length than planetary imaging. That's because DSOs like nebulae and clusters are often both fainter (needing more light collected) and larger in terms of angular width (meaning less magnification needed).
Nothing really beats Saturn, it is always spectacular through a telescope. Jupiter's not bad either, especially when its larger moons get into the act. :)
http://www.maplecroft.ca/astro/m13-05-13-2020.jpg
Not bad! :)
the real stuff is not awe inspiring. it's quite boring and bland.
that's why they have artists draw them instead.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
Cite your references, otherwise they'll delete it.
when does it stop being an actual photograph?
that depends on what you are talking about... personally, i'm not aware of a official images that were originally a photo and someone painted over it to stuff... if you are, please post a link to it/them...
Vk3jed>> References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
just going by what i've seen from nasa over the years.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
how about, right here in this topic, you drop links to official sources/imag that support your claim(s)? that would go a lot further than some wiki artic
On 05-15-20 11:50, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
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but when you take a little white dot and color in things that MIGHT/SHOULD be there but they arent visible to the eye or maybe they are visible.
References. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
It is a fairly regular occurance to read an article about something
that NASA/ESA/others have "seen" in the sky only to read the caption
below the pictures to find out they are not real photos, or are photos that have been enhanced.
Some are simply enhanced by using a different filter to take the photo.
In my opinion, that is still a photo. Others are artist renderings
that are just guesses at what it might look like.
They are neat to look at but you have to keep in mind that they are
only renderings. Unfortunately, as those "photos" get republished, or show up in search engines, the text mentioning that they are not actual photos is not included.
Some actual photos are pretty boring, but others (like the Hubble DST photos) are pretty amazing.
On 05-15-20 06:56, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to MRO <=-
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MRO wrote to Rampage <=-
the real stuff is not awe inspiring. it's quite boring and bland.
that's why they have artists draw them instead.
That's our problem, not theirs. I remember being in awe seeing the
photos Pioneer sent back from Jupiter - black and white photos with artifacts and scan lines.
Boring? no. Bland? Maybe. Just the sheer fact that we're seeing it up close with the equivalent of a Nokia candy bar phone with a dish
antenna, sensors, and a plutonium battery traveling at 20,000 miles an hour is pretty freaking awesome.
On 05-15-20 12:15, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Sometimes I wonder how they can get such a clear & sharp picture when
it's traveling that fast, unless there isn't much relative motion
between it and the object it's taking a picture of.
On a similar note - As fast as the earth is rotating and moving through space, sometimes I'm surprised the stars appear to be motionless when
we glance up at them.
Rampage wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Rampage on Wed May 13 2020 01:45:00
you really don't understand how it works, then, if that's all you
think is being done... they certainly do not "draw swirls and other
bullshit"...
calcmandan> Don't feed him.
i'm not feeding him... he's playing ignorant and carrying on about artist renderings as if they are the only NASA/space pictures there are ;)
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and thousands of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
I know they're real but does it matter what game he's playing if the end res is trollery? When he threatened to kick my ass one day, which gave me a heal belly laugh, I realized that he's one to be ignored.
Daniel Traechin
... s
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: calcmandan to Rampage on Thu May 14 2020 00:08:00
artist renderings are one thing but the thousands and thousands and
thousands of other real photos are the real awe inspiring stuff...
calcmandan> I know they're real
yeah... that wasn't really directed at you, though... it was just a conclusi to the previous...
calcmandan> but does it matter what game he's playing if the end result
calcmandan> is trollery?
i'm of two minds on this...
1. don't feed the trolls
2. don't allow false statements to live
which brings forth the following...
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.
calcmandan> When he threatened to kick my ass one day, which gave me a
calcmandan> healthy belly laugh, I realized that he's one to be ignored.
:)
)\/(ark
On 05-15-20 17:39, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Both are F/10 but I've got an F/6 and F/3 focal reducer for my SCT. I don't think I even used the F/3 one. Come to think of it the Dobs
could probably fit those focal reducers as well.
On 05-15-20 17:43, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I prefer the outer planets for my observing. Venus is just a tiny
version of the Moon for my scope, although I've heard of very
persistent amateur astronomers actually getting faint images of the
cloud structure.
On 05-15-20 17:44, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well I'm going to make myself a Hartmann mask this weekend for easier focusing.
I think my favorite summer object is the Lagoon Nebula, although I'll
have to wait until August for that one. Plenty of other things to
image in the mean time...
On 05-15-20 20:21, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Fri May 15 2020 06:52 pm
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
Cite your references, otherwise they'll delete it.
i just make up references. works every time.
Sometimes I wonder how they can get such a clear & sharp picture
when it's traveling that fast, unless there isn't much relative
motion between it and the object it's taking a picture of.
Distances are vast, though for long exposures, the camera may need to be moved slightly during the exposure, to keep the target in the same place. And there's also software that can "stack" frames and combine them with correlation algorithms. I've used such software in astrophotography to minimise the effects of atmospheric turbulence on planetary images.
On 05-15-20 23:05, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'd think moving the camera during a long exposure could cause blur.
But then, as you say, distances are vast and maybe it works.
That's our problem, not theirs. I remember being in awe seeing the photos Pioneer sent back from Jupiter - black and white photos with artifacts and scan lines.
when does it stop being an actual photograph?
you must be blind then. i've seen it hundreds of times.
just going by what i've seen from nasa over the years.
if you want i can make a wikipedia article and link it.
i just dont care enough to.
Distances are vast, though for long exposures, the camera may need
to be moved slightly during the exposure, to keep the target in the
same place. And there's also software that can "stack" frames and
combine them with correlation algorithms. I've used such software in astrophotography to minimise the effects of atmospheric turbulence
on planetary images.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Boring? no. Bland? Maybe. Just the sheer fact that we're seeing it up close with the equivalent of a Nokia candy bar phone with a dish antenna, sensors, and a plutonium battery traveling at 20,000 miles an hour is pretty freaking awesome.
Sometimes I wonder how they can get such a clear & sharp picture when
it's traveling that fast, unless there isn't much relative motion
between it and the object it's taking a picture of.
On a similar note - As fast as the earth is rotating and moving through space, sometimes I'm surprised the stars appear to be motionless when
we glance up at them.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I sometimes believe that Voyager, Pioneer, and the Mercury/Apollo
programs were the zenith of human scientific accomplishment, and most
of what else we've done since has just been crap in comparison.
I'd think moving the camera during a long exposure could cause blur.
But then, as you say, distances are vast and maybe it works.
Not if the movement is setup to compensate for the movement of the spacecraft relative ro the planet.
Cite your references, otherwise they'll delete it.
i just make up references. works every time.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
That's our problem, not theirs. I remember being in awe seeing the photos Pioneer sent back from Jupiter - black and white photos with artifacts and scan lines.
I sometimes believe that Voyager, Pioneer, and the Mercury/Apollo
programs were the zenith of human scientific accomplishment, and most
of what else we've done since has just been crap in comparison.
OK, I might throw Hubble in there, too.
Venus can be a bit more interesting when it's closer. It's also a crescent at that time as well, but you're right, the outer planets are more interesting, especially Jupiter and Saturn.
I have seen Uranus as a green dot, and tried to view Neptune, but that was under poor viewing conditions (too close to sunset and low in the western sky).
Well I'm going to make myself a Hartmann mask this weekend for easier focusing.
I'm not familiar with those.
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Rampage to MRO on Fri May 15 2020 08:12 am
you must be blind then. i've seen it hundreds of times.
ryan wrote to MRO <=-
Cite your references, otherwise they'll delete it.
i just make up references. works every time.
You've never made a wikipedia page, nor have you made bogus
reference on a wikipedia page.
If you have, prove it. Paste a link here.
You have /not/ done this, your understanding of wikipedia and
quality control is zero, and you're just bloviating as usual.
That's not NASA's fault, so there's no conspiracy here. It's just uneducated masses on the Internet not reading the fine print. ;)
I sometimes believe that Voyager, Pioneer, and the Mercury/Apollo programs were the zenith of human scientific accomplishment, and most
of what else we've done since has just been crap in comparison.
New Horizons was pretty awesome, and it set a Solar system speed record!
On 05-16-20 12:29, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The movement of picking up the camera, moving it, and setting it back
down would change the perspective just slightly and would cause some
blur, I'd think. If you needed to move the camera to compensate for movement of a spacecraft, I'd think the best way would be to have the camera on a movable platform and have it be able to track the
spacecraft somehow and move the camera exactly as needed.
On 05-16-20 16:51, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yup, I've seen the green dot. Haven't seen Neptune yet though, but I haven't really tried too hard.
On 05-16-20 16:53, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well I'm going to make myself a Hartmann mask this weekend for easier focusing.
I'm not familiar with those.
It's a mask you put over the end of the scope to create a nice pattern that helps focusing...when you're in focus you get a nice and obvious diffraction pattern.
Haven't tried it yet..still fighting with my printer to get it to print out an 11" pattern on two pieces of paper.
On 05-16-20 21:03, calcmandan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Your comment left me breathless. Either the press isn't covering these discoveries or they happen so often that people have grown blase about
it.
Wow, I see you've recovered from your meltdown over in Fsxnet,
which of course was caused by other people saying things like the
above to people. You were so deeply offended by such things that
you left the main chat echo over it.
I guess it's OK when it's not in FSX, and it's *YOU* doing it?
Vk3jed wrote to Chickenhead <=-
On 05-16-20 16:51, Chickenhead wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yup, I've seen the green dot. Haven't seen Neptune yet though, but I haven't really tried too hard.
One day. Neptune is the only one of the planets I haven't seen.
On 05-16-20 18:58, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-neducated
@VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
That's not NASA's fault, so there's no conspiracy here. It's just
masses on the Internet not reading the fine print. ;)
If the fine print is included. :)
On 05-17-20 06:47, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can't imagine it being an easy feat on a consumer telescope. How big
is your scope again? What type?
The movement of picking up the camera, moving it, and setting it back
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Wow, I see you've recovered from your meltdown over in Fsxnet,
which of course was caused by other people saying things like the
above to people. You were so deeply offended by such things that
you left the main chat echo over it.
I guess it's OK when it's not in FSX, and it's *YOU* doing it?
My "meltdown" at fsxNet was met with a great deal of people
chiming in support of killing political conversations because of
how badly they derailed the entire network and community that
existed just fine for years without it.
You got triggered and got defensive and started lashing out, even
though nobody called you out by name or anything.
Who's the person that gets offended?
On 05-16-20 18:58, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2neducated
That's not NASA's fault, so there's no conspiracy here. It's just
masses on the Internet not reading the fine print. ;)
If the fine print is included. :)
Well, NASA included the fine print, it's not their fault, if someone else fa to pass it on.
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
The movement of picking up the camera, moving it, and setting it
back
Picking it up? on a spacecraft?
Even on a backyard telescope, one would use a tracking mount for long exposures to compensate for the rotation of the Earth.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Dumas Walker on Sun May 17 2020 06:49 pm
On 05-16-20 18:58, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2neducated
That's not NASA's fault, so there's no conspiracy here. It's just
masses on the Internet not reading the fine print. ;)
If the fine print is included. :)
Well, NASA included the fine print, it's not their fault, if someone else fa to pass it on.
i'm not uneducated and there's no fine print. when i see an article
from nasa the fucking photo is some artist rendering bullshit.
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
Yup, it was all just fine until "those right-wingers showed up",
right? Your words, paraphrased.
That's a lie and you know it. I wasn't even involved, having
stopped talking about political crap quite a while prior to you
having a hissy fit and crying about it as you left.
I get offended by hypocrites who criticize others for the EXACT
same thing that they do. Yeah.
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun May 17 2020 11:39:25
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
sorry, that's not APOD... but you knew that... it is exactly one of those lo images posted without the associated text that describes the image...
the real APOD site is here...
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/
and today's picture is not even space related...
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
I get offended by hypocrites who criticize others for the EXACT
same thing that they do. Yeah.
Didn't you tell me to mind my own business when you were
attacking people?
Am I to assume you offend yourself?
Nope, and I wasn't attacking anyone. Stop lying.
Better go find your safe space, Karen. You can't have a civil discussion, and when called out on it, you take your ball and run
home. I don't have time to waste on snowflakes like you; don't
bother replying.
On 05-17-20 08:30, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
exactly... even a simple barndoor mount works great for this purpose...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GgCBxRoTQ
On 05-17-20 11:39, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
look at those star effects and other shit.
On 05-17-20 11:25, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 02:11 pm
The movement of picking up the camera, moving it, and setting it
back
Picking it up? on a spacecraft?
? I thought we were talking about having a camera on the ground on
earth, taking a long-exposure photo of a spacecraft or other body in space.
Even on a backyard telescope, one would use a tracking mount for long exposures to compensate for the rotation of the Earth.
Ah, I haven't done that kind of photography before, so I didn't know of such a thing.
exactly... even a simple barndoor mount works great for this purpose...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GgCBxRoTQ
i'm not uneducated and there's no fine print. when i see an article from nasa the fucking photo is some artist rendering bullshit.
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
look at those star effects and other shit.
you guys can shut the fuck up about this, you know i'm right.
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Stop attacking other people and work on becoming a person you can
respect.
Vk3jed wrote to Rampage <=-
exactly... even a simple barndoor mount works great for this purpose...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GgCBxRoTQ
Arrrgh, why is everyone's goto thing a video?
Not a good medium to reach me. :/
On 05-17-20 11:39, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
look at those star effects and other shit.
WTF are you on about? Cameras can introduce a lot of odd effects. Optics aren't perfect.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon May 18 2020 07:02 pm
On 05-17-20 11:39, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just pulled up the astronomy pic of the day
https://i.imgur.com/7Nm0lts.jpg
look at those star effects and other shit.
WTF are you on about? Cameras can introduce a lot of odd effects. Optics aren't perfect.
if you dont know what i'm on about keep mashing the fucking spacebar.
i was talking about nasa's fake motherfucking 'photos'
if you think that's real you are on crack
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Stop attacking other people and work on becoming a person you can
respect.
Which brings us right back around to the beginning of this
thread... You tell me to stop "attacking other people", and
yet... That's how I got into this conversation - by pointing out
that *YOU* did it right here in this thread. Why can't you
understand that??? Why is it perfectly OK for you to do that, but
not someone else?
Go back and look! Look at what you said to MRO, and pretend that
it was me that said that. Would you get your panties all in a
bunch over that, and call me out for "attacking" him? Huh?
Can you answer that simple question right there above, without
deflection or attempting to twist words around? Just answer it.
paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Go back and look! Look at what you said to MRO, and pretend that
it was me that said that. Would you get your panties all in a
bunch over that, and call me out for "attacking" him? Huh?
Can you answer that simple question right there above, without
deflection or attempting to twist words around? Just answer it.
I'm ROFL over here.. I took up for Ryan on fsxNet, but for this
one little bitty point - I got Gamgee's back....
I see what yer pointing out, and its in plain text in that
previous message. Even Trump is right some of the time. :P
Which brings us right back around to the beginning of this
thread... You tell me to stop "attacking other people", and
yet... That's how I got into this conversation - by pointing out
that *YOU* did it right here in this thread. Why can't you
understand that??? Why is it perfectly OK for you to do that, but
not someone else?
Go back and look! Look at what you said to MRO, and pretend that
it was me that said that. Would you get your panties all in a
bunch over that, and call me out for "attacking" him? Huh?
look at those star effects and other shit.
i was talking about nasa's fake motherfucking 'photos'
On 05-18-20 07:55, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GgCBxRoTQ
Vk3jed> Arrrgh, why is everyone's goto thing a video?
in this case, because it shows what a barndoor mount looks like and how
it works...
basically, a barndoor mount is two boards hinged together face-to-face
at one end/side... there's generally a threaded screw/rod attached to
one of the boards which pushes against the other board... this causes
the boards to open and close like an open door flush against a wall and swinging away from the wall as the mount moves...
the hinge axis is aligned with the pole and the whole set tilted to the offset of the latitude like aligning a telescope mount... then the threaded rod is turned at the proper speed for the hinge to open at the same rate the stars move (aka sidereal rate)...
i've also seen some experiments of doing this using a water driven
system where water was allowed to flow out of a container which
lightened the weight of the container... instead of a screw, a push
spring was used between the boards... as the water flowed out, the
spring raised the moving board... that was a very fiddly setup so get
the water flow right...
so, for plain images, here's one...
https://www.nutsvolts.com/uploads/wygwam/NV_0115_Wierenga_Figure_1.jpg
On 05-18-20 08:36, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Often it's the best way to show something...
You're using MultiMail, should be able to just click on the link
above to get to the video.
On 05-18-20 17:49, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
if you dont know what i'm on about keep mashing the fucking spacebar.
i was talking about nasa's fake motherfucking 'photos'
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
Often it's the best way to show something...
You're using MultiMail, should be able to just click on the link
above to get to the video.
Actually, no you can't. Have to do a tedious copy/paste wit the
mouse (not even keyboard shortcuts work in MM).
But the bigger problem is having appropriate time when nothing
else is playing to actually watch it!
Vk3jed wrote to Rampage <=-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GgCBxRoTQ
Arrrgh, why is everyone's goto thing a video?
Not a good medium to reach me. :/
On 05-19-20 08:14, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hmmmmm... It works for me. Middle-click on the link and browser
(Firefox) opens (Linux).
But the bigger problem is having appropriate time when nothing
else is playing to actually watch it!
I consider it a small part of the time I set aside for reading
echomail. Granted, this fits only for short videos, or a quick
look at a longer video to see if it's worth watching later.
On 05-18-20 04:42, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Rampage <=-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4GgCBxRoTQ
Arrrgh, why is everyone's goto thing a video?
Not a good medium to reach me. :/
Yeah, I'm reading my mail most days in DOSBOX; can't copy and paste
very easily. While it's got its shortcomings, it has the benefit of
making the BBS experience web-free.
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
Hmmmmm... It works for me. Middle-click on the link and browser
(Firefox) opens (Linux).
Hmm, I'm reading on Windows, but will have to try that.
But the bigger problem is having appropriate time when nothing
else is playing to actually watch it!
I consider it a small part of the time I set aside for reading
echomail. Granted, this fits only for short videos, or a quick
look at a longer video to see if it's worth watching later.
Complicating factors:
Free "air space" on my end - it's rare for something else not to
be playing on here.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I'm curious, why do you use DOSBox?
As for me, I've found DOSBox to fill a few niches, but have to be
careful with it.
i was talking about nasa's fake motherfucking 'photos'
that image is as fake as you are, sir... it was done by stacking images from different projects... images taken with different filters to bring out speci gasses by their wavelengths which were then assigned different colors for ea
On 05-18-20 17:49, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
if you dont know what i'm on about keep mashing the fucking spacebar.
i was talking about nasa's fake motherfucking 'photos'
And yet you can't be assed offering decent, irrefutable evidence, just opini but we all know opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
do you see that star effect? that's from an image editor.
i just showed an image from the nasa website. pay attention.
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: MRO to Rampage on Wed May 20 2020 18:35:18
do you see that star effect? that's from an image editor.
incorrect... that's from the lens or obstructions in the light path... i see
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed May 20 2020 18:36:02
i just showed an image from the nasa website. pay attention.
no you didn't... you showed an image on imgur... an image with no provenance its origin...
On 05-20-20 07:54, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think it'll work, it's more of a MM feature I think, rather than OS-specific. Not sure why left-click doesn't work though.
But the bigger problem is having appropriate time when nothing
else is playing to actually watch it!
I consider it a small part of the time I set aside for reading
echomail. Granted, this fits only for short videos, or a quick
look at a longer video to see if it's worth watching later.
Complicating factors:
Free "air space" on my end - it's rare for something else not to
be playing on here.
Understood... it's a matter of juggling events/priorities. ;-)
On 05-20-20 07:11, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My BBS message reading environment is almost identical to what it was
in 1994 - Qedit or VDE, a QWK offline reader (was BlueWave, now MultiMail). I like the full screen experience.
For the editors, ctrl-K commands are built into my muscle memory.
vDOS+ is an offshoot of DOSBOX, and the fonts look really good on a
large screen.
On 05-20-20 18:36, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just showed an image from the nasa website. pay attention.
do you see that star effect? that's from an image editor.
https://i.imgur.com/iHchKse.png
YEAH RIGHT.
come on dude, start using your brain.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Ahh OK, cool. What's VDOS+'s claim to fame over DOSBox?
On 05-20-20 18:36, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just showed an image from the nasa website. pay attention.
No independent third party analysis, just an opinion, and that's worthless i this context.
https://i.imgur.com/iHchKse.png
"Causes of Diffraction: Diffraction is caused by one wave of light being
On 05-21-20 07:22, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Ahh OK, cool. What's VDOS+'s claim to fame over DOSBox?
It's meant more for business apps. Printing support, file locking and synchronization with the local file system - and long filename support.
On 05-21-20 16:33, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu May 21 2020 01:43 pm
On 05-20-20 18:36, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just showed an image from the nasa website. pay attention.
No independent third party analysis, just an opinion, and that's worthless i this context.
whatever dude nasa website.
so fuck off someplace else if you want to add your meaningless 2 cents
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
On 05-21-20 16:33, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu May 21 2020 01:43 pm
On 05-20-20 18:36, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just showed an image from the nasa website. pay attention.
No independent third party analysis, just an opinion, and that's worthless i this context.
whatever dude nasa website.
so fuck off someplace else if you want to add your meaningless 2 cents
You started this bullshit, so...
On 05-22-20 05:25, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Everyone: *points at moon* pretty...
MRO: It's fake! A painting it is. BAH wake up!
Everyone: ... Nevermind
https://i.imgur.com/iHchKse.png
image editor effect. seen it 1000 times. you are fucking blind if
you think that shit is real.
this context.
whatever dude nasa website.
so fuck off someplace else if you want to add your meaningless 2 cents
You started this bullshit, so...
image editor effect. seen it 1000 times. you are fucking blind if
you think that shit is real.
i know it is real... i've seen it well over 1000 times in reflector telescop
On 05-22-20 08:20, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
DOSEmu does exactly this... especially when run via the sbbs dosemu setup... but maybe you're needing it to run directly from cron instead
of from sbbs' timed events like the daily ones?
On 05-22-20 16:40, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Fri May 22 2020 11:57 am
this context.
whatever dude nasa website.
so fuck off someplace else if you want to add your meaningless 2 cents
You started this bullshit, so...
hello, nasa website. fuck off.
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Any Amateur Astronome
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Fri May 22 2020 11:57 am
this context.
whatever dude nasa website.
so fuck off someplace else if you want to add your meaningless 2 cents
You started this bullshit, so...
hello, nasa website. fuck off.
Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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I never mentioned how cool it was that you created some ascii art to describe the mount. I thought that was really well done. I wish people do more of this or even utilize ansi art.
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Djatropine wrote to calcmandan <=-
Ohhh ascii /ansi/petsci/etc. is soulful.
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