• BattleStar Galactica

    From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to All on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 08:20:33
    I got amazon prime and recently discovered that BSG was being streamed on it. I'm currently binging it when I can right now. Even though the show is 15 year old, Its still amazing

    I did hear some rumors they were going to remake it again though, Its going to be a bit wierd without Richard hatch

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Bigbangnet on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 14:49:35
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to All on Wed Mar 11 2020 08:20 am

    I got amazon prime and recently discovered that BSG was being streamed on it. I'm currently binging it when I can right now. Even though the show is 15 year old, Its still amazing

    I did hear some rumors they were going to remake it again though, Its going to be a bit wierd without Richard hatch

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?), and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need to remake a show/movie?

    Nightfox

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Bigbangnet on Thursday, March 12, 2020 01:36:56
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to All on Wed Mar 11 2020 08:20:33

    ok, So you're watching the ORIGINAL BSG. I'm currently getting the Blue-Ray's of the most recent version from Netflix. It's really not to bad once I managed to disengage myself from trying to compare it to the original and just take it as a seperate show and judge it on it's own merrits.

    I hope they also release "Caprica" on BR or Streaming. I was enjoying that one as it was PRE BSG telling the story of how the Cylons were created. Unfortunately, it only lasted a single season, if that long, before it got cancelled. :(
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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Nightfox on Thursday, March 12, 2020 01:39:48
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Nightfox to Bigbangnet on Wed Mar 11 2020 14:49:35

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?), and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need to remake a show/movie?

    I think this remake/update is the one that Richard Hatch has been championing for many years now, ever since the original was cancelled. Would love to see them do one covering the time between the end of the original series and "Galactica 1980", and maybe even redo G-80 in a way that doesn't totally suck the way the original one did.
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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:21:45
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Bigbangnet on Thu Mar 12 2020 01:36 am

    I hope they also release "Caprica" on BR or Streaming. I was enjoying that one as it was PRE BSG telling the story of how the Cylons were created. Unfortunately, it only lasted a single season, if that long, before it got cancelled. :(

    I was also bumbed out when it onely lasted one season also....

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  • From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, March 12, 2020 14:56:46
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Bigbangnet on Thu Mar 12 2020 01:36:56

    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to All on Wed Mar 11 2020 08:20:33

    ok, So you're watching the ORIGINAL BSG. I'm currently getting the Blue-Ray's of the most recent version from Netflix. It's really not to bad once I managed to disengage myself from trying to compare it to the
    original and just take it as a seperate show and judge it on it's own merrits.

    I hope they also release "Caprica" on BR or Streaming. I was enjoying that one as it was PRE BSG telling the story of how the Cylons were created. Unfortunately, it only lasted a single season, if that long, before it got cancelled. :(
    no no, I'm watching the 2005 version of BSG which is on amazon prime right now.
    That one is a blast. Unfortunately I didn't see the original from 1978 though. I could search it and watch it of course.

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  • From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, March 12, 2020 14:59:09
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Mar 12 2020 01:39:48

    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Nightfox to Bigbangnet on Wed Mar 11 2020 14:49:35

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?),
    and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need to remake a show/movie?

    I think this remake/update is the one that Richard Hatch has been championing for many years now, ever since the original was cancelled.
    Would love to see them do one covering the time between the end of the original series and "Galactica 1980", and maybe even redo G-80 in a way
    that doesn't totally suck the way the original one did.
    in the bsg 2005, 40 years have gone from the first war (1978 version) till this
    one. So basically, nothing happens so that won't be posible I think unless you cover the BSG from the cylon's point of view which is going to be hard in my opinion. I did like the blood and chrome spin off though.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Nightfox on Thursday, March 12, 2020 18:01:00
    Nightfox wrote to Bigbangnet <=-

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?), and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need to
    remake a show/movie?

    Copyright has everything locked up for 90 years beyond author's death. With material staying under Copyright so long, it's harder and harder to make something new (since it may be "too much" like something that's under Copyright).

    That's why you see Hollywood just remaking this stuff over and over again.

    How many times will they remake BG? As many times as it takes to completely ruin it.

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  • From August Abolins@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thursday, March 12, 2020 19:11:00
    Hi Nightfox,
    In a message to Bigbangnet you wrote:

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?),
    and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and
    they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need
    to remake a show/movie?

    Sometimes they do that to showcase new special effects technology, or use the remake as an opportunity to incorporate special effects that weren't available at the time of a previous remake.

    ..Regards,
    Ogg

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Bigbangnet on Friday, March 13, 2020 00:59:01
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to Lupine Furmen on Thu Mar 12 2020 14:59:09

    in the bsg 2005, 40 years have gone from the first war (1978 version) till

    Actually, no. The two shows are not even connected to each other. The 2005 SyFy channel remake was just that, A complete reimagining of the original show. There really is no way that the two shows CAN be connected. Find and watch the original series and you'll understand why I say that.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Friday, March 13, 2020 15:59:00
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Nightfox to Bigbangnet on Wed Mar 11 2020 02:49 pm

    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to All on Wed Mar 11 2020 08:20 am

    I got amazon prime and recently discovered that BSG was being streamed it. I'm currently binging it when I can right now. Even though the show 15 year old, Its still amazing

    I did hear some rumors they were going to remake it again though, Its going to be a bit wierd without Richard hatch

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?), and then

    Nightfox

    There's stil rumors about another BSG "re-imagination" being made. I was let down by the "Blood and Chrome" TV film /pilot they abandoned. The green
    screen effects looked good. The sets appeared to be too large with too much a ctivity in the background, which puts off the same vibe as too tight a space with little detail. Your mind filters out non-practical effects.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Lupine Furmen on Friday, March 13, 2020 16:03:00
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Bigbangnet on Thu Mar 12 2020 01:36 am

    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to All on Wed Mar 11 2020 08:20:33

    ok, So you're watching the ORIGINAL BSG. I'm currently getting the Blue-Ray of the most recent version from Netflix. It's really not to bad once I manag to disengage myself from trying to compare it to the original and just take as a seperate show and judge it on it's own merrits.

    I hope they also release "Caprica" on BR or Streaming. I was enjoying that o as it was PRE BSG telling the story of how the Cylons were created. Unfortunately, it only lasted a single season, if that long, before it got cancelled. :(
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    I got the impression Caprica was another series concept shoe horned into the Ron Moore BSG lore.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Lupine Furmen on Friday, March 13, 2020 16:14:00
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Mar 12 2020 01:39 am

    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Nightfox to Bigbangnet on Wed Mar 11 2020 14:49:35

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?), and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need to remake show/movie?

    I think this remake/update is the one that Richard Hatch has been championin for many years now, ever since the original was cancelled. Would love to see them do one covering the time between the end of the original series and "Galactica 1980", and maybe even redo G-80 in a way that doesn't totally suc the way the original one did.
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    I would entertain the idea of a pre BSG 1980 series where Galactica reaches
    a 1980's Earth that wasn't a cheesy kids show. A series like that could
    start out with a first contact scenario, then go on to follow the troubles encountered by the new arrivals as well as people of Earth coping with everything they know and believe being different. It would also chronicle
    the growing pains of moving over to a total war economy driven only by delivering the fight to an enemy.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Lupine Furmen on Friday, March 13, 2020 16:27:00
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Bigbangnet on Fri Mar 13 2020 12:59 am

    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Bigbangnet to Lupine Furmen on Thu Mar 12 2020 14:59:09

    in the bsg 2005, 40 years have gone from the first war (1978 version) t

    Actually, no. The two shows are not even connected to each other. The 2005 S channel remake was just that, A complete reimagining of the original show. There really is no way that the two shows CAN be connected. Find and watch original series and you'll understand why I say that.
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    The 1978 series and 2004 series are not direct connections. In the 1978 Glen Larsen series, the Cylons were a reptillian race that had been figting the colonies for over a 1000 years. Over the centuries the Cylons were replaced
    by their own robot inventions. The Galactica itself was a thousand year old ship.

    The Ron Moore series from 2004 takes place 40 years after a robot uprising
    the 12 colonies brought upon themselves (robots adopted religious belief they were meant to replace man.) The robots ceased fire for an unknown reason,
    then returned to finish the job after developing models which could go undetected among people.

    Both series had underpinnings in their societies having blurry lines between religious prophesy and politics.

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  • From Bigbangnet@VERT/MTLGEEK to Dr. What on Friday, March 13, 2020 20:36:57
    Re: Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Thu Mar 12 2020 18:01:00

    Copyright has everything locked up for 90 years beyond author's death.
    With material staying under Copyright so long, it's harder and harder to make something new (since it may be "too much" like something that's under Copyright).

    That's why you see Hollywood just remaking this stuff over and over again.

    How many times will they remake BG? As many times as it takes to
    completely ruin it.

    so they should ruin it next. First was Dr.Who, then picard, next will be BSG ...damn it


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Lupine Furmen on Friday, March 13, 2020 07:45:00
    Lupine Furmen wrote to Bigbangnet <=-

    Find and watch the original series and you'll understand
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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Lupine Furmen on Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:44:20
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Lupine Furmen to Bigbangnet on Fri Mar 13 2020 12:59 am

    Actually, no. The two shows are not even connected to each other. The 2005 SyFy channel remake was just that, A complete reimagining of the original show. There really is no way that the two shows CAN be connected. Find and watch the original series and you'll understand why I say that.

    I watched the original BSG and also the series when they finally found earth and then this newest remake a few years agao. You right they are so differnt in fact i enjoyed the original series more then what they came up with the one that made a few years ago...

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, March 14, 2020 14:21:06
    Re: Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Lupine Furmen on Fri Mar 13 2020 07:45 am

    STARBUCK was a DUDE!

    I like his coffee.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Bigbangnet on Saturday, March 14, 2020 19:32:00
    Bigbangnet wrote to Dr. What <=-

    so they should ruin it next. First was Dr.Who, then picard, next will
    be BSG ...damn it

    I just hope they don't try to "remake" Space 1999.

    All my other childhood shows have been ruined.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Saturday, March 14, 2020 21:59:22
    Re: Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Dr. What to Bigbangnet on Sat Mar 14 2020 07:32 pm

    I just hope they don't try to "remake" Space 1999.

    Don't say it, they might be listening.

    Kristen Stewart as Helena Russell.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:35:00
    Re: Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Dr. What to Bigbangnet on Sat Mar 14 2020 07:32 pm

    Bigbangnet wrote to Dr. What <=-

    so they should ruin it next. First was Dr.Who, then picard, next will be BSG ...damn it

    I just hope they don't try to "remake" Space 1999.

    All my other childhood shows have been ruined.

    ... I think, therefore I am, I think

    The second season almost qualifies as a remake - massive departure from season one

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Sunday, March 15, 2020 12:43:02
    Re: Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Sun Mar 15 2020 10:35 am

    The second season almost qualifies as a remake - massive departure from

    There's a Facebook page called "Space:1999 Season 1 fans" dedicated to those people who hated season 2. I missed Victor Bergman, but the rest of the season was OK.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to August Abolins on Sunday, March 15, 2020 18:11:18
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: August Abolins to Nightfox on Thu Mar 12 2020 07:11 pm

    Hi Nightfox,
    In a message to Bigbangnet you wrote:

    So, they had Battlestar Galactica in the late 70s (1978, I think?),
    and then the Battlestar Galactica remake in the early 2000s, and
    they're thinking about remaking it again? How many times do they need to remake a show/movie?

    Sometimes they do that to showcase new special effects technology, or use th remake as an opportunity to incorporate special effects that weren't availab at the time of a previous remake.

    ..Regards,
    Ogg

    * SeM. 2.26 * I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

    All I can say is the original BSG series was excellent, and the toys even better. The original cyclon ship that fired 2 red photon bullets was epic but got banned because of choking hazards. The ships were cooler than xwings and tie fighters I thought.


    Thanks,
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Moondog on Monday, March 16, 2020 17:34:00
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I just hope they don't try to "remake" Space 1999.

    All my other childhood shows have been ruined.

    ... I think, therefore I am, I think

    The second season almost qualifies as a remake - massive departure from season one

    I do agree with that. There were some gems in the second season, but it was more fantasy than sci-fi.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Zombie Mambo on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 08:56:00
    Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Zombie Mambo to August Abolins on Sun Mar 15 2020 06:11 pm


    All I can say is the original BSG series was excellent, and the toys even better. The original cyclon ship that fired 2 red photon bullets was epic bu got banned because of choking hazards. The ships were cooler than xwings and tie fighters I thought.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo


    A friend of mine had the viper with the "captive" projectile. Other than a choking hazard, I thought there was chance of eye injury, so they pinnned it
    in so it would need resetting but not fly completely out.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 09:06:00
    Re: Space 1999
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Mon Mar 16 2020 05:34 pm

    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I just hope they don't try to "remake" Space 1999.

    All my other childhood shows have been ruined.

    ... I think, therefore I am, I think

    The second season almost qualifies as a remake - massive departure from season one

    I do agree with that. There were some gems in the second season, but it was more fantasy than sci-fi.


    ... If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil . . .

    First season was more intellectual, as in trying to understand what is happening, while the second season is more action oriented. Less talk, and more Martin Landau speaking in his angry voice.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 22:31:40
    Re: Re: BattleStar Galactica
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Mar 14 2020 02:21 pm

    STARBUCK was a DUDE!

    I like his coffee.

    ick, over-roasted drek.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Moondog on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 13:02:00
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    First season was more intellectual, as in trying to understand what is happening, while the second season is more action oriented. Less talk, and more Martin Landau speaking in his angry voice.

    Looking through the episode lists, I think you hit it on the head. The first season WAS more thinking, while the second was more action.

    The reason I find this interesting is that I usually like action movies. But in this case, I find the number of 2nd season episodes that I like to be very few, while I enjoyed most of the first season episodes.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Thursday, March 19, 2020 11:08:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Wed Mar 18 2020 01:02 pm

    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    First season was more intellectual, as in trying to understand what is happening, while the second season is more action oriented. Less talk, and more Martin Landau speaking in his angry voice.

    Looking through the episode lists, I think you hit it on the head. The firs season WAS more thinking, while the second was more action.

    The reason I find this interesting is that I usually like action movies. Bu in this case, I find the number of 2nd season episodes that I like to be ver few, while I enjoyed most of the first season episodes.


    ... Got my tie caught in the fax... Suddenly I was in L.A.

    Not sure if first season aired in the US, but I can easily guess the
    loss of the big ops center set and appeal of attraacting a US audience pushed the move towards more action.

    It's ironic how Star Trek's original pilot episode was considerd too intellect ual, and the series was forced to be more action packed themselves. In Space 1999 it's really clear when the Base commander's valued advisor is no longer the science officer and is replaced by a security officer.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Moondog on Friday, March 20, 2020 09:03:00
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Not sure if first season aired in the US,

    Yes, it was. But not on network TV.

    but I can easily guess the
    loss of the big ops center set and appeal of attraacting a US audience pushed the move towards more action.

    Sadly, you are probably correct in that assessment.

    It's ironic how Star Trek's original pilot episode was considerd too intellectual, and the series was forced to be more action packed themselves. In Space 1999 it's really clear when the Base commander's valued advisor is no longer the science officer and is replaced by a security officer.

    Even Lost in Space followed the same path. Compare the first season with the last. The first season was much more "Swiss Family Robinson in space" and much more science-y. The last had "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" episode.

    But they make these shows to get eyeballs to sell ads. So if that's what appeals to the audience, then I guess that's what goes.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Friday, March 20, 2020 18:37:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Fri Mar 20 2020 09:03 am

    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Not sure if first season aired in the US,

    Yes, it was. But not on network TV.

    but I can easily guess the
    loss of the big ops center set and appeal of attraacting a US audience pushed the move towards more action.

    Sadly, you are probably correct in that assessment.

    It's ironic how Star Trek's original pilot episode was considerd too intellectual, and the series was forced to be more action packed themselves. In Space 1999 it's really clear when the Base commander's valued advisor is no longer the science officer and is replaced by a security officer.

    Even Lost in Space followed the same path. Compare the first season with th last. The first season was much more "Swiss Family Robinson in space" and m more science-y. The last had "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" episode.

    But they make these shows to get eyeballs to sell ads. So if that's what appeals to the audience, then I guess that's what goes.

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    I blame Richard Harris, aka Dr Smith. He was supposed to be a temporary
    role, and talked the writers into keeping him around.

    If I was to do a re-write of the series, I'd make Smith useful, as in so
    useful he could possibly get them home, but is in no hurry to be return and
    be executed as a spy. I entertained the idea of the Robinsons leaving Smith behind on a planet or derelict space station, only to run into him at a later date with a vast field of useful knowledge.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Friday, March 20, 2020 07:56:00
    Dr. What wrote to Moondog <=-

    Even Lost in Space followed the same path.
    The last had "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" episode.

    Best 60 minutes in television history, IMO. :)



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Saturday, March 21, 2020 21:16:34
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Fri Mar 20 2020 06:37 pm

    I blame Richard Harris, aka Dr Smith. He was supposed to be a temporary role, and talked the writers into keeping him around.

    oh the pain. the pain. the pain.

    If I was to do a re-write of the series, I'd make Smith useful, as in so useful he could possibly get them home, but is in no hurry to be return and be executed as a spy. I entertained the idea of the Robinsons leaving Smith


    that sounds like SHIT.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to ALL on Saturday, March 21, 2020 21:19:03
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Mar 21 2020 09:16 pm

    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Fri Mar 20 2020 06:37 pm

    I blame Richard Harris, aka Dr Smith. He was supposed to be a temporary role, and talked the writers into keeping him around.

    oh the pain. the pain. the pain.

    If I was to do a re-write of the series, I'd make Smith useful, as in so useful he could possibly get them home, but is in no hurry to be return a be executed as a spy. I entertained the idea of the Robinsons leaving Sm


    that sounds like SHIT.


    watch this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F16Df3A5uoo
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Moondog on Sunday, March 22, 2020 08:14:00
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I blame Richard Harris, aka Dr Smith. He was supposed to be a
    temporary role, and talked the writers into keeping him around.

    If I was to do a re-write of the series, I'd make Smith useful, as in
    so useful he could possibly get them home, but is in no hurry to be
    return and be executed as a spy. I entertained the idea of the
    Robinsons leaving Smith behind on a planet or derelict space station,
    only to run into him at a later date with a vast field of useful knowledge.

    Both good ideas. At least they are better ideas than my idea of blasting him out the air lock in episode 2. 8)

    I liked Dr. Smith as a the selfish, evil villian. But turning him in to the selfish, bumbling fool really didn't do much for me.

    In the recent Lost in Space reboot, I liked what they did with the Dr. Smith character - I just hated everything else that they changed.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, March 22, 2020 08:15:00
    Even Lost in Space followed the same path.
    The last had "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" episode.

    Best 60 minutes in television history, IMO. :)

    As a kid, I was a major couch potato. But that was one of the few things that would make me turn off the TV and go play outside.

    I suppose that was a good thing, then.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Monday, March 23, 2020 12:53:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Mar 21 2020 09:16 pm

    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Fri Mar 20 2020 06:37 pm

    I blame Richard Harris, aka Dr Smith. He was supposed to be a temporary role, and talked the writers into keeping him around.

    oh the pain. the pain. the pain.

    If I was to do a re-write of the series, I'd make Smith useful, as in so useful he could possibly get them home, but is in no hurry to be return a be executed as a spy. I entertained the idea of the Robinsons leaving Sm


    that sounds like SHIT.

    What can I say. Smith is supposed to be a ruthless character, not a cowardly ninny. On the original series he's worthless, and only Will is acting as the moral compass for his father and major West. Give him a useful skill and
    then he can become annoying as he wants.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Monday, March 23, 2020 22:26:54
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:53 pm

    What can I say. Smith is supposed to be a ruthless character, not a cowardl ninny. On the original series he's worthless, and only Will is acting as th moral compass for his father and major West. Give him a useful skill and then he can become annoying as he wants.


    you should really watch all the interviews about this character.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 16:54:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Mar 23 2020 10:26 pm

    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2020 12:53 pm

    What can I say. Smith is supposed to be a ruthless character, not a cowa ninny. On the original series he's worthless, and only Will is acting as moral compass for his father and major West. Give him a useful skill and then he can become annoying as he wants.


    you should really watch all the interviews about this character.

    I've seen quite a few of them, plus the orginal pilot that didn't include his character. Sounds like he knew how to win Irwin Allen's attention, and let Harris write his own character from being a stone cold killer to being a moronic comic relief.

    Like I said, I personally like the idea of the character being rotten to the core, yet having some hidden value that keeps him from being tossed from an airlock or left behind. No comic relief value , except for him being the punching bag for Major West.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 20:54:59
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Mar 24 2020 04:54 pm


    I've seen quite a few of them, plus the orginal pilot that didn't include hi character. Sounds like he knew how to win Irwin Allen's attention, and let Harris write his own character from being a stone cold killer to being a moronic comic relief.

    Like I said, I personally like the idea of the character being rotten to the core, yet having some hidden value that keeps him from being tossed from an airlock or left behind. No comic relief value , except for him being the punching bag for Major West.


    they didnt NEED a rotten villain. he would have been one and done. besides, they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 14:37:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Mar 24 2020 08:54 pm

    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Mar 24 2020 04:54 pm


    I've seen quite a few of them, plus the orginal pilot that didn't include character. Sounds like he knew how to win Irwin Allen's attention, and l Harris write his own character from being a stone cold killer to being a moronic comic relief.

    Like I said, I personally like the idea of the character being rotten to core, yet having some hidden value that keeps him from being tossed from airlock or left behind. No comic relief value , except for him being the punching bag for Major West.


    they didnt NEED a rotten villain. he would have been one and done. besides, they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.

    We'll agree to disagree. If his character wasn't so flamboyant and larger
    than life, they could've developed the other characters

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, March 26, 2020 00:20:30
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Mar 25 2020 02:37 pm

    they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.

    We'll agree to disagree. If his character wasn't so flamboyant and larger than life, they could've developed the other characters

    apparently actors had a blank cheque to do what they wanted if it was good.
    dr smith carried the show.

    people only cared about dr. smith, will robinson and the robot.
    that was the show.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to MRO on Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05:00
    MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

    they didnt NEED a rotten villain. he would have been one and done. besides, they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.

    I think that oversimplifies it.

    He was the one character that was horribly flawed, so he was the catalyst for the problems that would make the show interesting.

    You're right in that they didn't NEED a rotten villain. But they did need a antagonist. A series with the "prefect" Robinsons would have gotten boring rather quickly.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:51:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Mar 26 2020 12:20 am

    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Mar 25 2020 02:37 pm

    they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.

    We'll agree to disagree. If his character wasn't so flamboyant and large than life, they could've developed the other characters

    apparently actors had a blank cheque to do what they wanted if it was good. dr smith carried the show.

    people only cared about dr. smith, will robinson and the robot.
    that was the show.
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    I guess I have to look at it from a different angle. Although it is listed
    or targetted as family entertainment, It appears the true core audience are yo ung boys with powerful imaginations seeking adventure and danger. After closer
    inspection it's an interesting formula.

    The robot is like Will's moral compass, his family is his source of security and comfort, then Dr Smith represents a level of danger and adventure the family and moral compass tell him to avoid. From an adult point of view I
    find it creepy to see someone like Smith spending way too much time with Will away from the family, especially with his track record of nearly killing him
    or endangering the entire crew.

    Going a little off topic, I feel the writers of TNG missed out on using Wesley's character to it's full potential. The writers didin't understand Roddenberry's trinity - the old man, the younger man, and the boy. The hree are reflections of the viewer at different stages of his life. The boy is
    full of adventure and mystery, the younger man is brave, bold and his
    reactions are sharp, while the old man has been there and done that, and
    tries to see several moves ahead of his opponent.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dr. What on Thursday, March 26, 2020 18:33:00
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Mar 26 2020 10:05 am

    MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

    they didnt NEED a rotten villain. he would have been one and done. besides, they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.

    I think that oversimplifies it.

    He was the one character that was horribly flawed, so he was the catalyst fo the problems that would make the show interesting.

    You're right in that they didn't NEED a rotten villain. But they did need a antagonist. A series with the "prefect" Robinsons would have gotten boring rather quickly.

    ... What is mind? No matter! What is matter? Never mind! - Homer S.

    In the orignal pilot there was no Dr Smith, and also it appeared that the Jupiter was so damaged they were leaving it behind and taking the chariot to
    a spot where the weather was less prone to extreme weather effects. Even if they were "shipwrecked," I could see them having enough material for a firsat season to settle in with twist in the usual castaway and settler issues,
    aswell as aliens without constant agitiation by a fifth wheel character.
    They could mine for fuel and raw resources to make replacement parts, then leave the planet as a transitory point in between seasons. next season will
    be new planet, new problems, new promise of adventure.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thursday, March 26, 2020 21:15:17
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Mar 26 2020 10:05 am


    they didnt NEED a rotten villain. he would have been one and done. besides, they were 'lost in space' that is their source material.

    he got the attention because he was the one character that didnt suck.

    I think that oversimplifies it.

    it's getting right to the point.


    You're right in that they didn't NEED a rotten villain. But they did need a antagonist. A series with the "prefect" Robinsons would have gotten boring rather quickly.

    i'm not sure you even watched the show.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thursday, March 26, 2020 21:16:44
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Moondog to Dr. What on Thu Mar 26 2020 06:33 pm

    You're right in that they didn't NEED a rotten villain. But they did nee antagonist. A series with the "prefect" Robinsons would have gotten bori rather quickly.

    ... What is mind? No matter! What is matter? Never mind! - Homer S.

    In the orignal pilot there was no Dr Smith, and also it appeared that the Jupiter was so damaged they were leaving it behind and taking the chariot to a spot where the weather was less prone to extreme weather effects. Even if they were "shipwrecked," I could see them having enough material for a firsa season to settle in with twist in the usual castaway and settler issues, aswell as aliens without constant agitiation by a fifth wheel character. They could mine for fuel and raw resources to make replacement parts, then leave the planet as a transitory point in between seasons. next season will be new planet, new problems, new promise of adventure.

    just being on that weird planet is all the source material. they didnt need an evil villian.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Moondog on Saturday, March 28, 2020 09:13:00
    Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-

    In the orignal pilot there was no Dr Smith,

    I remember that. The also remember reading that robot was also an add on.

    and also it appeared that
    the Jupiter was so damaged they were leaving it behind and taking the chariot to a spot where the weather was less prone to extreme weather effects.

    Yes. That's why Dr. Smith and the robot stayed with the ship while the Robinsons went off in the first few planet episodes.

    I remember as a kid wondering why it seemed Dr. Smith seemed out of place in the episodes.

    Even if they were "shipwrecked," I could see them having
    enough material for a firsat season to settle in with twist in the
    usual castaway and settler issues, aswell as aliens without constant agitiation by a fifth wheel character. They could mine for fuel and raw resources to make replacement parts, then leave the planet as a
    transitory point in between seasons. next season will be new planet,
    new problems, new promise of adventure.

    That would make for a nice mix that would last.

    *Sigh* But that would mean that they would have to actually PAY for writers to come up with good stories.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:04:07
    Re: Re: Space 1999
    By: Dr. What to Moondog on Sun Mar 22 2020 08:14 am

    return and be executed as a spy. I entertained the idea of the Robinsons leaving Smith behind on a planet or derelict space station, only to run into him at a later date with a vast field of useful knowledge.

    Both good ideas. At least they are better ideas than my idea of blasting hi


    yeah but that plot has been done tons of times on tv and movies.
    and it has no lasting power.

    In the recent Lost in Space reboot, I liked what they did with the Dr. Smith character - I just hated everything else that they changed.


    i'm surprised it even came back. i didnt watch the 2nd season.
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