• DOSBox

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:53:12
    I hadn't used DOSBox much at all, and yesterday I decided to install DOSBox on my main desktop PC (running Windows 10 64-bit) to try running some old DOS games & apps. I am surprised how easy it is to set up DOSBox, and that it does Sound Blaster emulation and is basically ready to go right after it's installed. I have a directory on my HDD set aside now for the DOSBox C drive, and I copied some games there, which ran without a problem, with sound and mouse support working. I'm really surprised how easy it was to get set up, and I found DOSBox can scale the window size up so that it's not a tiny window on my modern PC monitor.

    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well, though I saw some odd behavior with Telix. With certain menus on my BBS, Telix seemed to be sending empty data, causing my BBS to re-draw the menu and sometimes to display the error "Unrecognized command ()", and sometimes the display just got very wonky. Enabling & disabling the status bar seems to make a difference, too - Depending on whether the status bar is showing or not, I had problems on different menus on my BBS. Has anyone set up Telix in DOSBox?

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:38:00
    On 02-19-20 11:53, Nightfox wrote to All <=-

    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well, though I saw some odd behavior with Telix. With certain menus on my
    BBS, Telix seemed to be sending empty data, causing my BBS to re-draw
    the menu and sometimes to display the error "Unrecognized command ()",
    and sometimes the display just got very wonky. Enabling & disabling
    the status bar seems to make a difference, too - Depending on whether
    the status bar is showing or not, I had problems on different menus on
    my BBS. Has anyone set up Telix in DOSBox?

    I wonder if this is related to the issues I had with Telix in DOSBox. FOr me everything worked except for uploads. When uploading a .REP, the BBS complained that it wasn't a valid packet. This was definitely the terminal side, because the same issue happened with both Synchronet and Mystic BBSs, and only when using Telix in DOSBox, whether on a PC or Android (with Magic DOSBox). Uploading the exact same .REP using a netive method (e.g. FTP or a netive terminal program like SyncTerm) results in a successful upload.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 04:21:37
    I hadn't used DOSBox much at all, and yesterday I decided to install DOSBox on my main desktop PC (running Windows 10 64-bit) to try running some old DOS games & apps. I am surprised how easy it is to set up DOSBox, and that it does Sound Blaster emulation and is basically ready to go right after it's installed. I have a directory on my HDD set aside now for the DOSBox C drive, and I copied some games there, which ran without a problem, with sound and mouse support working. I'm really surprised how easy it was to get set up, and I found DOSBox can scale the window size up so that it's not a tiny window on my modern PC monitor.

    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well, though I saw some odd behavior with Telix. With certain menus on my BBS, Telix seemed to be sending empty data, causing my BBS to re-draw the menu and sometimes to display the error "Unrecognized command ()", and sometimes the display just got very wonky. Enabling & disabling the status bar seems to make a difference, too - Depending on whether the status bar is showing or not, I had problems on different menus on my BBS. Has anyone set up Telix in DOSBox?

    Nightfox

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    I started with Telix too then switched over to Terminate. That one rocked!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 06:42:00
    Nightfox wrote to All <=-

    ran without a problem, with sound and mouse support working. I'm
    really surprised how easy it was to get set up, and I found DOSBox can scale the window size up so that it's not a tiny window on my modern PC monitor.

    The scaling and font smoothing is what I like about DOSBOX. I'm running Windows 10 64-bit on a widescreen monitor, and with DOSBOX and a few tweaks, DOS windows fill the whole screen.

    I have my offline reader environment, essentially unchanged since 1993, running in DOSBOX.

    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well, though I saw some odd behavior with Telix.

    I gave up on trying to get terminal programs to work inside of DOSBOX, I'll usually use SyncTerm if I'm transferring files or Netrunner to log in and read.

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of
    it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 20, 2020 09:34:04
    Re: DOSBox
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2020 04:21 am

    I started with Telix too then switched over to Terminate. That one rocked!

    I actually didn't start with Telix.. The first communication program I used was Procomm Plus, and then I moved on to Telix and Telemate after that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 20, 2020 09:36:44
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2020 06:42 am

    The scaling and font smoothing is what I like about DOSBOX. I'm running Windows 10 64-bit on a widescreen monitor, and with DOSBOX and a few tweaks, DOS windows fill the whole screen.

    I have my offline reader environment, essentially unchanged since 1993, running in DOSBOX.

    I'd think filling a widescreen monitor would mean there's some horizontal stretching going on? I'd prefer to keep the correct aspect ratio.

    I gave up on trying to get terminal programs to work inside of DOSBOX, I'll usually use SyncTerm if I'm transferring files or Netrunner to log in and read.

    Telemate actually seems to work without any problems. I ended up using Telemate pretty much all the time in the 90s, so perhaps that's what I'd use inside of DOSBox.

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    I might recommend giving Telemate a try.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:14:15
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 20 2020 09:36 am

    I'd think filling a widescreen monitor would mean there's some horizontal stretching going on? I'd prefer to keep the correct aspect ratio.

    There is, a bit, but it's not disconcerting. I have a 4:3 monitor set up as secondary, but can't get DOSBOX to use it.

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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE to Nightfox on Friday, February 21, 2020 09:58:00
    Hi Nightfox

    I hadn't used DOSBox much at all, and yesterday I decided to install DOSBox on my main desktop PC (running Windows 10 64-bit) to try running some old DOS games & apps. I am surprised how easy it is to set up DOSBox, and that it does Sound Blaster emulation and is basically ready
    to go right after it's installed. I have a directory on my HDD set
    aside now for the DOSBox C drive, and I copied some games there, which
    ran without a problem, with sound and mouse support working. I'm
    really surprised how easy it was to get set up, and I found DOSBox can scale the window size up so that it's not a tiny window on my modern PC monitor.

    I am a sysop of 1st choice core and I would very muck like to intall DOSBox
    on my Windows 10 64-bit and I am hoping you might help me to insatll
    it for some old DOS games & apps. I did try to install it a few years back
    but could quite understand how to set it up correctly, any chance of posting setp
    to how do this.

    Thank you

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Sneaky on Thursday, February 20, 2020 14:06:15
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Fri Feb 21 2020 09:58 am

    I am a sysop of 1st choice core and I would very muck like to intall DOSBox on my Windows 10 64-bit and I am hoping you might help me to insatll it for some old DOS games & apps. I did try to install it a few years back but could quite understand how to set it up correctly, any chance of posting setp
    to how do this.

    It's just a matter of running the setup program, and then editing the DOSBox configuration to your liking. In Windows, the DOSBox configuration file is located in a path in your user's AppData directory. If you open up a Windows Explorer window, in the address bar, type %AppData% and press Enter. It should then bring you to your AppData\Roaming directory. Go up one directory, and then go into DOSBox\Local (so you should be in your AppData\Local\DOSBox directory). Then open up the dosbox .conf file there and edit it to your liking.

    One thing I did when setting up DOSBox is to make a directory to use as the C drive in DOSBox. On my machine, I created D:\DOS_C. Then, in my DOSBox .conf file, at the bottom there is an [autoexec] section, where you can put commands for it to use in autoexec.bat. I have it automatically mount its C drive and change to C. In my [autoexec] section in the .conf file, I have the following:

    mount C D:\DOS_C
    C:

    Then, I can place what I want into D:\DOS_C, and that will appear on the C drive when I'm in DOSBox, and I can use those files and run programs just like in DOS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 20, 2020 14:30:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

    On 02-19-20 11:53, Nightfox wrote to All <=-

    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well, though I saw some odd behavior with Telix. With certain menus on my
    BBS, Telix seemed to be sending empty data, causing my BBS to re-draw
    the menu and sometimes to display the error "Unrecognized command ()",
    and sometimes the display just got very wonky. Enabling & disabling
    the status bar seems to make a difference, too - Depending on whether
    the status bar is showing or not, I had problems on different menus on
    my BBS. Has anyone set up Telix in DOSBox?

    I wonder if this is related to the issues I had with Telix in DOSBox.
    FOr me everything worked except for uploads. When uploading a .REP,
    the BBS complained that it wasn't a valid packet. This was definitely
    the terminal side, because the same issue happened with both Synchronet and Mystic BBSs, and only when using Telix in DOSBox, whether on a PC
    or Android (with Magic DOSBox). Uploading the exact same .REP using a netive method (e.g. FTP or a netive terminal program like SyncTerm) results in a successful upload.

    I was messing around with Bluewave in DosBox and when uploading .REP packets
    I got the same thing. Not a valid packet. Curious what is causing it.



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 20, 2020 18:31:10
    On 2/20/20 7:42 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication
    programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well,
    though I saw some odd behavior with Telix.

    I gave up on trying to get terminal programs to work inside of DOSBOX, I'll usually use SyncTerm if I'm transferring files or Netrunner to log in and read.

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of
    it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ...
    also, you should clear out the modem init for the terminal program.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:32:00
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Feb 20 2020 06:42 am

    I gave up on trying to get terminal programs to work inside of DOSBOX, I'll usually use SyncTerm if I'm transferring files or Netrunner to log in and read.

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.



    it's pretty easy. you can even use that termbox that electro made.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 19:02:59
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 20 2020 06:31 pm

    On 2/20/20 7:42 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication
    programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well,
    though I saw some odd behavior with Telix.

    I gave up on trying to get terminal programs to work inside of DOSBOX, I'll usually use SyncTerm if I'm transferring files or Netrunner to log in and read.

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ...
    also, you should clear out the modem init for the terminal program.


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    tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

    so terminate should work too then.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:49:00
    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    On 2/20/20 7:42 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    I also tried running Telemate and Telix, my two favorte communication
    programs for DOS back in the day. Telemate seems to work fairly well,
    though I saw some odd behavior with Telix.

    I gave up on trying to get terminal programs to work inside of DOSBOX, I'll usually use SyncTerm if I'm transferring files or Netrunner to log in and read.

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to
    "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ... also, you should clear out the modem init
    for the terminal program.

    Yep, this is right. In the dosbox-[ver].conf file, set
    "serial1=modem", and then in your comm program (Telix), just set
    the modem init string to 'ATZ'. Works well here, other than file
    transfers...



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:28:35
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 20 2020 06:31 pm

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside
    of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ...
    also, you should clear out the modem init for the terminal program.

    Yes, that's how it works. Telix is able to connect just fine, but Telix seems to have problems in DOSBox where some of the ANSI gets garbled and/or it seems to send blank data to the BBS. I've also tried Telemate, which seems to work without any problems in DOSBox.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:29:42
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 20 2020 09:32 pm

    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside
    of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    it's pretty easy. you can even use that termbox that electro made.

    Yes, it's easy.. The issue is that once Telix is connected, with DOSBox, it seems to have issues garbling ANSI and/or sending blank data to the BBS. Telemate seems to work without any problems in DOSBox though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thursday, February 20, 2020 21:30:10
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: The Millionaire to Tracker1 on Thu Feb 20 2020 07:02 pm

    so terminate should work too then.

    Theoretically any DOS terminal program should work in DOSBox. But it seems some work better than others.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Thumper on Friday, February 21, 2020 19:34:00
    On 02-20-20 14:30, Thumper wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I was messing around with Bluewave in DosBox and when uploading .REP packets I got the same thing. Not a valid packet. Curious what is
    causing it.

    What terminal program were you using? Telix or Telemate?

    The problem has something to do with DOSBox, because if you upload the same .REP using FTP, SyncTerm, NetRubber, etc, it will work fine.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, February 21, 2020 19:52:00
    On 02-20-20 09:36, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Telemate actually seems to work without any problems. I ended up using Telemate pretty much all the time in the 90s, so perhaps that's what
    I'd use inside of DOSBox.

    Including uploads? That's the only issue I had with Telix. Guess I'll have to test with Telemate, since there's a 100% reproducible issue to test with.

    All you have to do is attempt to upload a .REP to your BBS.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Friday, February 21, 2020 06:47:00
    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ...
    also, you should clear out the modem init for the terminal program.

    I should clarify, I got Telix working and dialing, it was transfers that didn't work.

    It was wonderful hearing that Telix connect sound again. BBSing for me used
    to be about gang-dialing a handful of BBSes, getting busies, and connecting
    to the first open BBS. On weekend nights, it could take some time. When you heard that doot doot DOOT doot doot DOOT doot doot DOOT, you got excited
    after what felt like waiting forever.

    That was part of the inspiration for me starting a BBS - no more busy signals!


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT/PARKAVE to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 21, 2020 08:53:05
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Fri Feb 21 2020 06:47 am

    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ... also, you should clear out the modem init for the terminal program.

    I should clarify, I got Telix working and dialing, it was transfers that didn't work.

    It was wonderful hearing that Telix connect sound again. BBSing for me used to be about gang-dialing a handful of BBSes, getting busies, and connecting to the first open BBS. On weekend nights, it could take some time. When you heard that doot doot DOOT doot doot DOOT doot doot DOOT, you got excited after what felt like waiting forever.

    That was part of the inspiration for me starting a BBS - no more busy signals!


    ... Am I any closer to finding what I'm looking for?

    agreed.

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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Vk3jed on Friday, February 21, 2020 11:06:31
    What terminal program were you using? Telix or Telemate?

    The problem has something to do with DOSBox, because if you upload the same .REP using FTP, SyncTerm, NetRubber, etc, it will work fine.

    Hmmm..... just tried it again and moved the .REP packet to my Syncterm out folder and uploaded. Synchronet says it unpacked it but it doesn't show up in the forum..... Interesting.....

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, February 21, 2020 12:56:54
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Feb 21 2020 07:52 pm

    Telemate actually seems to work without any problems. I ended up
    using Telemate pretty much all the time in the 90s, so perhaps
    that's what I'd use inside of DOSBox.

    Including uploads? That's the only issue I had with Telix. Guess I'll have to test with Telemate, since there's a 100% reproducible issue to test with.

    All you have to do is attempt to upload a .REP to your BBS.

    I haven't tried doing any uploads or downloads with those in DOSBox yet.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 21, 2020 13:03:51
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Fri Feb 21 2020 06:47 am

    It was wonderful hearing that Telix connect sound again. BBSing for me

    Telix connect sound? When using Telix in DOSBox recently, it hasn't been making any sound for me. I don't remember it making any connect sound when I used it in the 90s either.

    Nightfox

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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE to Nightfox on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:17:00
    Hi

    years back but could quite understand how to set it up correctly, any chance of posting setp
    to how do this.

    It's just a matter of running the setup program,

    Thank you for getting back to me about the Dosbox and help with it, I have done the installing of the installing of dosbox


    and then editing the DOSBox
    configuration to your liking. In Windows, the DOSBox configuration file is >located in a path in your user's AppData directory. If you open up a Windows >Explorer window, in the address bar, type rqr and press Enter. It should >then bring you to your AppData\Roaming directory. Go up one directory, and >then go into DOSBox\Local (so you should be in your AppData\Local\DOSBox >directory). Then open up the dosbox .conf file there and edit it to your >liking.

    I have founded the AppData\Local\DOSBox\dirctory apart from the [autoexec]
    I have altered anything at this point.


    One thing I did when setting up DOSBox is to make a directory to use as the C >drive in DOSBox. On my machine, I created D:\DOS_C. Then, in my DOSBox .conf >file, at the bottom there is an [autoexec] section, where you can put commands >for it to use in autoexec.bat. I have it automatically mount its C drive and >change to C. In my [autoexec] section in the .conf file, I have the
    ollowing:

    this part I am having trouble with

    I have ie

    [autoexec]
    # Lines in this section will be run at startup.
    # You can put your MOUNT lines here.
    mount C C:\DOS_C
    C:



    mount C D:\DOS_C (same as this)
    C: (same as this)

    but mine could be wrong as I unsure what the right way to do it
    ie on my computer only have C drive
    which you have mount C (D):\DOS_C
    and I have created DOS_C on my C drive

    do I have to have mount C C:\DOS_C c: in autoexc.cnf in windows system32 as
    ell

    as if I go into Dosbox via wibdow 10 windows 10 menu it came up with z:\
    if I type cd c:\ ity say it not mounted

    so not doing samething wrong
    any thought what it might be.

    if I go into dosbox it self and manual type MOUNT c c:\dos_c
    then c is mounted

    and when you suggested old dos games. is bre included or older one's


    Thank you
    Ian
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Sneaky on Friday, February 21, 2020 19:20:32
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Sat Feb 22 2020 03:17 pm

    I have ie

    [autoexec]
    # Lines in this section will be run at startup.
    # You can put your MOUNT lines here.
    mount C C:\DOS_C
    C:



    mount C D:\DOS_C (same as this)
    C: (same as this)

    but mine could be wrong as I unsure what the right way to do it
    ie on my computer only have C drive
    which you have mount C (D):\DOS_C
    and I have created DOS_C on my C drive

    do I have to have mount C C:\DOS_C c: in autoexc.cnf in windows system32 as ell

    as if I go into Dosbox via wibdow 10 windows 10 menu it came up with z:\ if I type cd c:\ ity say it not mounted

    so not doing samething wrong
    any thought what it might be.

    if I go into dosbox it self and manual type MOUNT c c:\dos_c
    then c is mounted

    and when you suggested old dos games. is bre included or older one's

    Yes, if you only have a C drive on your computer, then you would need to use C. Also you would need to make sure to create the directory C:\DOS_C, so ensure that directory exists. If it's not mounted, perhaps C:\DOS_C does not exist?

    Also, in DOS, simply doing "cd C:\" will not actually change to the C drive. That just changes the current directory on that drive for next time. To actually change to the C drive, you would just do C:

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Thumper on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:19:00
    On 02-21-20 11:06, Thumper wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/THEWASTE
    What terminal program were you using? Telix or Telemate?

    The problem has something to do with DOSBox, because if you upload the same .REP using FTP, SyncTerm, NetRubber, etc, it will work fine.

    Hmmm..... just tried it again and moved the .REP packet to my Syncterm
    out folder and uploaded. Synchronet says it unpacked it but it doesn't show up in the forum..... Interesting.....

    That's weird.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:22:00
    On 02-21-20 12:56, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    All you have to do is attempt to upload a .REP to your BBS.

    I haven't tried doing any uploads or downloads with those in DOSBox
    yet.

    I've been able to download QWK packets fine, but uploading .REPs fails everytime (at least with Telix in DOSBox). Furthermore, this behaviour is consistent between DOSBox on Win64 and Magic DOSBox on Android.

    Uploading .REPs using SyncTerm on Windows (my normal method) or FTP, or FTP from Android using Ghost Commander (native Android app) works flawlessly.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:45:00
    On 02-21-20 13:03, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Fri Feb 21 2020 06:47 am

    It was wonderful hearing that Telix connect sound again. BBSing for me

    Telix connect sound? When using Telix in DOSBox recently, it hasn't
    been making any sound for me. I don't remember it making any connect sound when I used it in the 90s either.

    Telix certainly does make the connect sound for me. :)


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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE3 to Nightfox on Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:03:00
    Hi Nightfox

    Yes, if you only have a C drive on your computer,

    Ok, just making sure.

    then you would need
    to use C. Also you would need to make sure to create the directory C:\DOS_C, so ensure that directory exists. If it's not mounted,
    perhaps C:\DOS_C does not exist?
    Also, in DOS, simply doing "cd C:\" will not actually change to the C drive. That just changes the current directory on that drive for next time. To actually change to the C drive, you would just do C:


    Okay that's cool, got it to work, thank you, I put in dosbox conf file mount c c:\dos_c
    next line c: all in lowercase and in bosbox when I entered it said the c-drive was mounted
    and promted came up as c:\> and my bre dir was there, so cool thank you.

    Now another question per dosbox and setting up with a bbs software if you don't mind,
    so I can under stand how it works, like if I am in dosbox and I run bre reset it works fine,
    but if I do out side of dosbox in c:\ drive on computer and run bre reset it does the
    doesn't work thing per 64 bit, I would have thought the c:\ directory would be mounted as well or
    is that done same there way, but I probably got that wrong so to my question to how to set it up with a bbs software for bre to work.

    and in batch file to run bre c:
    cd \bre
    bre
    etc
    or do I have to put c:\dos_c in the batch same were as well, seems to work either way but just checking

    Thank you

    Ian S 1st Choice Core Nz


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Thumper on Saturday, February 22, 2020 15:28:04
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Thumper to Vk3jed on Fri Feb 21 2020 11:06 am

    What terminal program were you using? Telix or Telemate?

    The problem has something to do with DOSBox, because if you upload the same .REP using FTP, SyncTerm, NetRubber, etc, it will work fine.

    Hmmm..... just tried it again and moved the .REP packet to my Syncterm out folder and uploaded. Synchronet says it unpacked it but it doesn't show up in the forum..... Interesting.....

    Sounds like a problem with the .REP packet, not the terminal program.

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Sneaky on Saturday, February 22, 2020 18:40:58
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Sun Feb 23 2020 11:03 am

    Now another question per dosbox and setting up with a bbs software if you don't mind,
    so I can under stand how it works, like if I am in dosbox and I run bre reset it works fine,
    but if I do out side of dosbox in c:\ drive on computer and run bre reset it does the
    doesn't work thing per 64 bit, I would have thought the c:\ directory would be mounted as well or
    is that done same there way, but I probably got that wrong so to my question to how to set it up with a bbs software for bre to work.

    and in batch file to run bre c:
    cd \bre
    bre
    etc
    or do I have to put c:\dos_c in the batch same were as well, seems to work either way but just checking

    I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I haven't tried running BBS software in DOSBox though. I think they should be able to run, but I'm not sure how they would communicate with the internet.

    Nightfox

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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE to Nightfox on Sunday, February 23, 2020 16:50:00
    Hi Nightfox

    I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I haven't tried running BBS software in DOSBox though. I think they should be able to run, but I'm not sure how they would communicate with the internet.


    Okay sorry, and I understand that you were not sure to what I am asking,
    per my question, but hopefully I can explain in the message.

    I have put you wrong by saying running a bbs in dosbox so I see why you
    didn't understand the question

    What I was tring to ask was that I have sbbs (1st Choice Core) bbs
    software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on
    that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people
    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    Thank you
    Ian S 1st Choice Core Nz



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Sneaky on Saturday, February 22, 2020 21:51:14
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Sun Feb 23 2020 04:50 pm

    What I was tring to ask was that I have sbbs (1st Choice Core) bbs software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on
    that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people
    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    Ah.. That has been brought up on Dove-Net before, and I don't think anyone has been successful at getting DOS doors successfully set up with Synchronet in a 64-bit Windows. From what I remember, I think there's an issue getting the COM port handle or FOSSIL driver handle passed to the DOS door through DOSBox. For getting DOS doors to work, your best bet is probably to run Synchronet in a 32-bit Windows, or in Linux. I know DOS doors work with Synchronet in Linux, and I think it's through DOSBox or dosemu in Linux (I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong). I haven't yet set up DOS doors in Linux, as I run my BBS in Windows 32-bit.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Sneaky on Sunday, February 23, 2020 07:45:00
    Sneaky wrote to Nightfox <=-

    What I was tring to ask was that I have sbbs (1st Choice Core) bbs
    software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on
    that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people
    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    I don't think that's possible; DOSBOX acts like a walled garden from my understanding. There's not a lot of communication that I see between the
    host OS and DOSBOX.

    I'm sure others will suggest running a 32-bit OS natively, running a 32-bit
    OS in a virtual machine, or there's a new project called nxvdm (I think)
    that would allow you to run 16-bot DOS apps in a 64-bit OS.

    If nxvdm works out, it'd be the simplest in the long run, allowing more
    memory for the BBS and not requiring a virtual machine.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, February 23, 2020 13:13:53
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nightfox to Sneaky on Sat Feb 22 2020 06:40 pm


    I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I haven't tried running BBS software DOSBox though. I think they should be able to run, but I'm not sure how the would communicate with the internet.


    it works but the file transfers error a lot
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Sneaky on Sunday, February 23, 2020 13:15:07
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Sun Feb 23 2020 04:50 pm


    What I was tring to ask was that I have sbbs (1st Choice Core) bbs
    software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on
    that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people
    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for



    you can use 'bbs dosbox' which is dosbox with some additional libs.

    you should just run a 32bit windows vm instead.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, February 23, 2020 13:16:19
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nightfox to Sneaky on Sat Feb 22 2020 09:51 pm


    Ah.. That has been brought up on Dove-Net before, and I don't think anyone been successful at getting DOS doors successfully set up with Synchronet in 64-bit Windows. From what I remember, I think there's an issue getting the port handle or FOSSIL driver handle passed to the DOS door through DOSBox. getting DOS doors to work, your best bet is probably to run Synchronet in a


    people have done it. i have them on my bbs now.
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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE to Nightfox on Monday, February 24, 2020 08:28:00
    Hi Nightfox


    Ah.. That has been brought up on Dove-Net before, and I don't think anyone has been successful at getting DOS doors successfully set up
    with Synchronet in a 64-bit Windows. From what I remember, I think there's an issue getting the COM port handle or FOSSIL driver handle passed to the DOS door through DOSBox. For getting DOS doors to work, your best bet is probably to run Synchronet in a 32-bit Windows, or in Linux. I know DOS doors work with Synchronet in Linux, and I think
    it's through DOSBox or dosemu in Linux (I'm sure someone can correct me
    if I'm wrong). I haven't yet set up DOS doors in Linux, as I run my
    BBS in Windows 32-bit.


    oh okay,thank you for this info, and for the help with setting up Dosdox
    any way, but I will probable give Synchronet and via DOSBox a miss, and go
    with your suggestion, and use Hyper-V with a Windows 32-bit on it , have been
    playing around with it and seem to be working fine,so I just stick with that.

    Again thank you for your help with this.

    Ian S 1st Choice Core Sbbs Nz

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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, February 24, 2020 08:46:00
    Hi poindexter FORTRAN
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    I don't think that's possible; DOSBOX acts like a walled garden from my understanding. There's not a lot of communication that I see between
    the host OS and DOSBOX.
    I'm sure others will suggest running a 32-bit OS natively, running a 32-bit OS in a virtual machine, or there's a new project called nxvdm
    (I think) that would allow you to run 16-bot DOS apps in a 64-bit OS.
    If nxvdm works out, it'd be the simplest in the long run, allowing more memory for the BBS and not requiring a virtual machine.


    Thank you for this info, nightfox has said this to me to and with I will
    give this Dosbox a miss, and use nightfox and your suggestion and use hyper-v

    with a window 32 bit on it.

    Again thank You

    Ian S 1st Choice Core Sbbs Nz



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, February 23, 2020 14:29:04
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Sneaky on Sun Feb 23 2020 07:45 am

    software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on
    that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people
    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    I don't think that's possible; DOSBOX acts like a walled garden from my understanding. There's not a lot of communication that I see between the host OS and DOSBOX.


    you can use dosbox to run games or dos programs on your bbs.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sunday, February 23, 2020 15:35:00
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nightfox to Sneaky on Sat Feb 22 2020 09:51 pm

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Sun Feb 23 2020 04:50 pm

    What I was tring to ask was that I have sbbs (1st Choice Core) bbs software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on
    that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people
    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    Ah.. That has been brought up on Dove-Net before, and I don't think anyone OSSIL driver handle passed to the DOS door through DOSBox. For getting DOS osemu in Linux (I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong). I haven't ye

    Nightfox

    Other than creating a virtual serial port to relay information through, I'm not sure if there's packet driver support for a virtual net card. There must be something available since ipx is supported.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sunday, February 23, 2020 17:14:37
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Feb 23 2020 03:35 pm

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nightfox to Sneaky on Sat Feb 22 2020 09:51 pm

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to Nightfox on Sun Feb 23 2020 04:50 pm

    What I was tring to ask was that I have sbbs (1st Choice Core) bbs software on a windows 10 4 bit and I like to setup the dos game on that bbs via dosbox to how to set thing up to do that ie people telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for

    Ah.. That has been brought up on Dove-Net before, and I don't think anyo OSSIL driver handle passed to the DOS door through DOSBox. For getting D osemu in Linux (I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong). I haven't

    Nightfox

    Other than creating a virtual serial port to relay information through, I'm not sure if there's packet driver support for a virtual net card. There mus be something available since ipx is supported.


    i saw a guy do a packet driver for mbbs with dosbox.
    regarding fossil drivers, you just load up a fossil driver.
    i like adf
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Monday, February 24, 2020 08:11:00
    On 02-22-20 15:28, Digital Man wrote to Thumper <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Thumper to Vk3jed on Fri Feb 21 2020 11:06 am

    What terminal program were you using? Telix or Telemate?

    The problem has something to do with DOSBox, because if you upload the same .REP using FTP, SyncTerm, NetRubber, etc, it will work fine.

    Hmmm..... just tried it again and moved the .REP packet to my Syncterm out folder and uploaded. Synchronet says it unpacked it but it doesn't show up in the forum..... Interesting.....

    Sounds like a problem with the .REP packet, not the terminal program.

    When I've had .REP issues in DOSBox, uploading using Telix inside DOSBox fails, but using an app native to the underlying OS to upload the same packet succeeds every time.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Monday, February 24, 2020 08:12:00
    On 02-22-20 18:40, Nightfox wrote to Sneaky <=-

    I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I haven't tried running BBS software in DOSBox though. I think they should be able to run, but I'm not sure how they would communicate with the internet.

    Telnet, via the virtual modem feature of DOSBox.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 23, 2020 17:46:13
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Feb 24 2020 08:12 am

    I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I haven't tried running BBS
    software in DOSBox though. I think they should be able to run, but
    I'm not sure how they would communicate with the internet.

    Telnet, via the virtual modem feature of DOSBox.

    I figured that much. :P I just wasn't sure of the details of how DOSBox would be set up to route telnet to a DOS BBS package, which has no awareness of telnet. With my experience so far using Telix & Telemate though, I suppose it would appear to have a normal modem and DOSBox would have the virtual modem answer upon receiving a connection.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Monday, February 24, 2020 20:17:00
    On 02-23-20 17:46, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I figured that much. :P I just wasn't sure of the details of how
    DOSBox would be set up to route telnet to a DOS BBS package, which has
    no awareness of telnet. With my experience so far using Telix &
    Telemate though, I suppose it would appear to have a normal modem and DOSBox would have the virtual modem answer upon receiving a connection.

    You tell DOSBox to listen on a particular port. When there's an incoming telnet connection on that port, the virtual modem sends a "RING" signal to the virtual COM port that the BBS is listening on, and the connection proceeds as though it was an incoming modem call as far as the BBS is concerned.


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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE3 to MRO on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 10:06:00
    Hi MRO


    telnet on to bbs and play 16/32 bit game with the use of dosbox,
    or have I miss understood the whole thing to what the dosbox is
    used for



    you can use 'bbs dosbox' which is dosbox with some additional libs.

    you should just run a 32bit windows vm instead.


    Okay, thank you for this info and I take your suggestion and run a 32bit windows vm

    Ian 4th Choice Core Sbbs Nz

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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Digital Man on Saturday, February 22, 2020 16:21:29
    My feelings too.... I'll experiment more after I get done with the refit of my system. I'll be down for a few days.....


    -=Thumper=-
    Sysop
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Sneaky on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 23:33:03
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to MRO on Tue Feb 25 2020 10:06 am

    Okay, thank you for this info and I take your suggestion and run a 32bit windows vm


    i like you.
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  • From Nicknine@VERT/DMINE to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:56:28
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Mon Feb 24 2020 08:11 am

    On 02-22-20 15:28, Digital Man wrote to Thumper <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Thumper to Vk3jed on Fri Feb 21 2020 11:06 am

    What terminal program were you using? Telix or Telemate?

    The problem has something to do with DOSBox, because if you upload the same .REP using FTP, SyncTerm, NetRubber, etc, it will work fine.

    Hmmm..... just tried it again and moved the .REP packet to my Syncterm ou folder and uploaded. Synchronet says it unpacked it but it doesn't show u in the forum..... Interesting.....

    Sounds like a problem with the .REP packet, not the terminal program.

    When I've had .REP issues in DOSBox, uploading using Telix inside DOSBox fai but using an app native to the underlying OS to upload the same packet succe every time.


    ... Dew knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl mistakes!

    I'm under DosBox using Telemate and I'm facing issues with file transfer as well. I've tried different protocols and they all fail partway through. Does anyone else here having similar problems with DosBox or is it just me? I'm starting to think DosBox modem emulation may be unstable.

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to MRO on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 08:15:20
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: MRO to Sneaky on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:33 pm

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to MRO on Tue Feb 25 2020 10:06 am

    Okay, thank you for this info and I take your suggestion and run a
    32bit windows vm

    i like you.

    Because he took your suggestion. ;)

    Sincerely,
    Jon Justvig

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nicknine on Thursday, February 27, 2020 07:51:00
    On 02-26-20 11:56, Nicknine wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm under DosBox using Telemate and I'm facing issues with file
    transfer as well. I've tried different protocols and they all fail
    partway through. Does anyone else here having similar problems with
    DosBox or is it just me? I'm starting to think DosBox modem emulation
    may be unstable.

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows and Android here).


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Thursday, February 27, 2020 01:27:04
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Jon Justvig to MRO on Wed Feb 26 2020 08:15 am

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: MRO to Sneaky on Tue Feb 25 2020 11:33 pm

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Sneaky to MRO on Tue Feb 25 2020 10:06 am

    Okay, thank you for this info and I take your suggestion and run a
    32bit windows vm

    i like you.

    Because he took your suggestion. ;)

    Sincerely,

    exactly. but more importanly because most people ask for suggetions but they are not sincere about it. they already know what they want to do and wont sway from that.
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 27, 2020 07:14:37
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Nicknine on Thu Feb 27 2020 07:51:00


    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows
    and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...


    )\/(ark

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 27, 2020 08:10:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Nicknine <=-

    I'm under DosBox using Telemate and I'm facing issues with file
    transfer as well. I've tried different protocols and they all fail
    partway through. Does anyone else here having similar problems with
    DosBox or is it just me? I'm starting to think DosBox modem emulation
    may be unstable.

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on
    Windows and Android here).

    Concur. Tested on Linux here.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Rampage on Thursday, February 27, 2020 08:12:00
    Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows
    and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or
    isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to
    capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.



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  • From Nicknine@VERT/DMINE to Rampage on Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:20:29
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Rampage to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 27 2020 07:14 am

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Nicknine on Thu Feb 27 2020 07:51:00


    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows
    and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or isn't esca


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    I've noticed that modem commands sometimes arrive with garbage mixed in. I've also been observing issues with modem multiplayer in some games, e.g. Duke Nukem 3D crashes with "invalid packet" error. Kind of seems like memory issue corrupting packets?

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to MRO on Thursday, February 27, 2020 06:06:54
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Thu Feb 27 2020 01:27 am

    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Jon Justvig to MRO on Wed Feb 26 2020 08:15 am

    Because he took your suggestion. ;)

    Sincerely,

    exactly. but more importanly because most people ask for suggetions but they are not sincere about it. they already know what they want to do and wont sway from that.

    If someone wants a suggestion, it should be taken into consideration... if they already want to do something, why ask for a suggestion...

    Sincerely,
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  • From Nicknine@VERT/DMINE to Gamgee on Thursday, February 27, 2020 13:58:07
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Gamgee to Rampage on Thu Feb 27 2020 08:12 am

    Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows
    and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or
    isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to
    capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.



    ... If it weren't for Edison we'd be using computers by candlelight

    Nah, this ain't it. I'm using Telemate, it requires you to set baud rate in settings and it properly obeys it. DosBox also caps modem speed at 56 kbit/s. File transfers fail regardless of wha baud I use.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Gamgee on Thursday, February 27, 2020 15:34:21
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Gamgee to Rampage on Thu Feb 27 2020 08:12:00


    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or
    isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to
    capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.

    possible... i remember joho working on the problem with FD's protocol engine(s) and i think he loosened the timings and then stuff started working... but it shouldn't really be a speed problem other than with protocols that send ACKs back and expect a response in some time frame... if speed is the problem, it would seem that faster would be better... hummm... ahhh... but it could be that it is too fast and results in a zero error like the old borland runtimes produced with their delay calibration code (the divide by zero problem)... hummm...


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  • From alter ego@VERT/ALTERANT to Nicknine on Friday, February 28, 2020 08:18:21
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nicknine to Gamgee on Thu Feb 27 2020 01:58 pm

    Nah, this ain't it. I'm using Telemate, it requires you to set baud rate in settings and it properly obeys it. DosBox also caps modem speed at 56 kbit/s. File transfers fail regardless of wha baud I use.

    Does it emulate the selected baud rate speed?

    If so, then it will be related. The problem is the TCP window size is quite big, and if you are draining that window (via a modem emulation) at 56kbit/s, the other end doesnt receive an ACK in a reasonsable time (the other end doesnt behave on the basis the system it is talking to is operating at 56k).

    I always thought you could manipulate TCP window sizes via iptables on a per port basis - and if you could, you would set it to a really small number like (1024 bits) - so that the other end takes a long time to get to "finish send waiting for ACK".

    Anybody know how to do that? (It would solve other problems that I have...) ...deon


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Nicknine on Thursday, February 27, 2020 14:08:27
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nicknine to Gamgee on Thu Feb 27 2020 01:58 pm

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.

    Nah, this ain't it. I'm using Telemate, it requires you to set baud rate in settings and it properly obeys it. DosBox also caps modem speed at 56 kbit/s. File transfers fail regardless of wha baud I use.

    Recently I installed Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in DOSBox and found it actually runs. I've been trying to find a way to get Windows 3.11 connected to the internet, and one of the ways I found was using Trumpet Winsock with a couple of Linux tools (it's easiest if you have a Linux PC on your home network). I haven't got it completely working yet, but that method basically would use the DOSBox emulated modem, and I realized that it would be capped at 56K.. I've heard another method would be to find a DOSBox build with NE2000 network card emulation so WFW 3.11 can be directly connected to the network.

    One thing I've noticed is that WFW 3.11 is giving me occasional errors saying it doesn't have enough memory to do certain things, even though I have DOSBox set up for 32MB RAM. I'm not sure where the problem is in the setup for WFW..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Rampage on Friday, February 28, 2020 09:18:00
    On 02-27-20 07:14, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/SESTAR
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Nicknine on Thu Feb 27 2020 07:51:00


    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows
    and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    Will have to look at some stage, though I don't know the details of telnet to be able to interpret the results.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Friday, February 28, 2020 09:19:00
    On 02-27-20 08:10, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on
    Windows and Android here).

    Concur. Tested on Linux here.

    Anyone able to look inside DOSBox to see what's going on?


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nicknine on Thursday, February 27, 2020 20:38:00
    Nicknine wrote to Gamgee <=-

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows
    and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or
    isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to
    capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.

    Nah, this ain't it. I'm using Telemate, it requires you to set
    baud rate in settings and it properly obeys it. DosBox also caps
    modem speed at 56 kbit/s. File transfers fail regardless of wha
    baud I use.

    Okay, thanks for that info. Every piece of the puzzle counts...

    I stumbled on this tonight, haven't tried it but sounds
    promising... Anybody want to try it and update us...?

    https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/patches/287/?limit=25


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Rampage on Thursday, February 27, 2020 20:40:00
    Rampage wrote to Gamgee <=-

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or
    isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to
    capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.

    possible... i remember joho working on the problem with FD's
    protocol engine(s) and i think he loosened the timings and then
    stuff started working... but it shouldn't really be a speed
    problem other than with protocols that send ACKs back and expect
    a response in some time frame... if speed is the problem, it
    would seem that faster would be better... hummm... ahhh... but it
    could be that it is too fast and results in a zero error like the
    old borland runtimes produced with their delay calibration code
    (the divide by zero problem)... hummm...

    A posted a link to a possible patch in another message in this
    thread. Hoping somebody can try it out and see if it helps...



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Friday, February 28, 2020 18:00:00
    On 02-27-20 20:38, Gamgee wrote to Nicknine <=-

    I stumbled on this tonight, haven't tried it but sounds
    promising... Anybody want to try it and update us...?

    https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/patches/287/?limit=25

    Interesting, definitely worth a look.


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  • From Nicknine@VERT/DMINE to Gamgee on Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:25:19
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Gamgee to Nicknine on Thu Feb 27 2020 08:38 pm

    Nicknine wrote to Gamgee <=-

    As I said, file transfers, especially uploading from DOSBox seems
    to be an issue, regardless of the underlying OS (tested on Windows and Android here).

    it almost sounds like it isn't negotiating the binary protocol or isn't escaping something properly... tcpdump should be able to capture both sides of the stream and provide the answers...

    I think I remember reading somewhere (in the past) that the
    problem has to do with "timing" in the transfer protocols (for
    example Zmodem). Today's telnet speeds are too much for something
    that is expecting dialup speeds, or something like that.

    Nah, this ain't it. I'm using Telemate, it requires you to set
    baud rate in settings and it properly obeys it. DosBox also caps
    modem speed at 56 kbit/s. File transfers fail regardless of wha
    baud I use.

    Okay, thanks for that info. Every piece of the puzzle counts...

    I stumbled on this tonight, haven't tried it but sounds
    promising... Anybody want to try it and update us...?

    https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/patches/287/?limit=25


    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.

    Unfortunately, this patch only fixes uploading (where it fixes a flaw in escape sequence detection). It doesn't help me, downloads still fail for me with all protocols.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nicknine on Saturday, February 29, 2020 14:43:00
    Nicknine wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I stumbled on this tonight, haven't tried it but sounds
    promising... Anybody want to try it and update us...?

    https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/patches/287/?limit=25

    Unfortunately, this patch only fixes uploading (where it fixes a
    flaw in escape sequence detection). It doesn't help me, downloads
    still fail for me with all protocols.

    Okay, thanks for the update. A step in the right direction,
    anyway.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Saturday, February 29, 2020 23:32:26
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Jon Justvig to MRO on Thu Feb 27 2020 06:06 am


    exactly. but more importanly because most people ask for suggetions but they are not sincere about it. they already know what they want to do a wont sway from that.

    If someone wants a suggestion, it should be taken into consideration... if t already want to do something, why ask for a suggestion...



    exactly. sadly, that's the way a lot of people are.
    i dont get it.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nicknine on Sunday, March 01, 2020 21:14:00
    On 02-29-20 11:25, Nicknine wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Unfortunately, this patch only fixes uploading (where it fixes a flaw
    in escape sequence detection). It doesn't help me, downloads still fail for me with all protocols.

    You may have a different issue. I've never had problems with downloads (for a terminal running in DOSBox), only uploads.


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  • From Nicknine@VERT/DMINE to Vk3jed on Sunday, March 08, 2020 17:27:52
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Vk3jed to Nicknine on Sun Mar 01 2020 09:14 pm

    On 02-29-20 11:25, Nicknine wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Unfortunately, this patch only fixes uploading (where it fixes a flaw in escape sequence detection). It doesn't help me, downloads still fail for me with all protocols.

    You may have a different issue. I've never had problems with downloads (for
    a
    terminal running in DOSBox), only uploads.


    ... Paradox: We have more degrees but less sense.

    Hmm, what client are you using? I'm using Telemate, downloads may work with other clients.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nicknine on Monday, March 09, 2020 11:24:00
    On 03-08-20 17:27, Nicknine wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, what client are you using? I'm using Telemate, downloads may work with other clients.

    Telix, where downloads seemed to work 100% for me.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to The Millionaire on Sunday, March 15, 2020 21:23:59
    On 2/20/20 8:02 PM, The Millionaire wrote:
    Hopefully someone has some clues as to how to get Telix running inside of it, I'd love to get a completely DOS BBS environment working.

    IIRC, it was pretty easy, just need to configure COM1 to "VIRTUAL" or "TELNET"... then you setup your terminal to ATDTsomeaddress.com ...
    also, you should clear out the modem init for the terminal program.

    so terminate should work too then.

    Probably.. you need to clear the modem init string in your terminal
    settings, and just use the address and port after ATDT like you would
    for a phone number... Been a few years.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Sneaky on Sunday, March 15, 2020 21:41:35
    On 2/23/20 12:46 PM, Sneaky wrote:
    Thank you for this info, nightfox has said this to me to and with I will
    give this Dosbox a miss, and use nightfox and your suggestion and use hyper-v

    with a window 32 bit on it.

    If your host is windows, best bet is Hyper-V (requires Windows Pro or
    higher), and it will generally work better than DosBox and on-par with
    VMWare, though VMWare workstation is imho slightly easier, but not worth
    the price of entry for a Windows desktop use.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Sunday, March 15, 2020 21:42:26
    On 2/23/20 1:29 PM, MRO wrote:
    you can use dosbox to run games or dos programs on your bbs.

    You can, but multi-user doors will likely break in interesting ways,
    unless you configure them for single-node access.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Monday, March 16, 2020 00:54:12
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sun Mar 15 2020 09:42 pm

    On 2/23/20 1:29 PM, MRO wrote:
    you can use dosbox to run games or dos programs on your bbs.

    You can, but multi-user doors will likely break in interesting ways,
    unless you configure them for single-node access.

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    they dont break. the files just get locked in that environment.
    the odds of 2 people playing the same door are very slim.
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  • From Sneaky@VERT/CHOICE to Tracker1 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 07:14:00
    -=Hi Tracker1

    T > give this Dosbox a miss, and use nightfox and your suggestion and use hyper-v


    with a window 32 bit on it.

    If your host is windows, best bet is Hyper-V (requires Windows Pro or higher), and it will generally work better than DosBox and on-par with VMWare, though VMWare workstation is imho slightly easier, but not
    worth the price of entry for a Windows desktop use.

    Thank you for your reply and yes I am using Hyper-V on Windows Pro and
    is hosting my bbses well with the 32 bit versions of windsows.

    Ian S 1st Choice Core Nz

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Monday, March 16, 2020 07:23:00
    Tracker1 wrote to Sneaky <=-

    If your host is windows, best bet is Hyper-V (requires Windows Pro or higher), and it will generally work better than DosBox and on-par with VMWare, though VMWare workstation is imho slightly easier, but not
    worth the price of entry for a Windows desktop use.

    Is VMWare Player still free? I used that for years. You couldn't snapshot
    the VM, but for the most part it worked fine.

    There's also Oracle Virtualbox, free for personal use, but the newer
    versions don't support 32-bit guest OSes. That seems like a mistake, as most of the uses I've seen for virtualization involve older OSes. But, we're not the paying audience they're looking to.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:29:17
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 16 2020 07:23 am

    There's also Oracle Virtualbox, free for personal use, but the newer versions don't support 32-bit guest OSes. That seems like a mistake, as most of the uses I've seen for virtualization involve older OSes. But, we're not the paying audience they're looking to.

    They don't? I'm using a fairly recent version of VirtualBox (6.1.4) on my Linux machine, and I installed 32-bit Windows 7 in it, and it seems to be working just fine..

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 13:27:49
    Re: Re: DOSBox
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 17 2020 12:29 pm

    They don't? I'm using a fairly recent version of VirtualBox (6.1.4) on my Linux machine, and I installed 32-bit Windows 7 in it, and it seems to be working just fine..

    I CAN'T READ.

    Virtualbox 5.2 is the last to support 32-bit hosts, not 32-bit guests.

    I should reconsider VB; My PC is too old to support newer versions of VMWare Workstation, so I'm stuck with an old version on an old license.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 12:43:00
    On 03-17-20 13:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I CAN'T READ.

    Virtualbox 5.2 is the last to support 32-bit hosts, not 32-bit guests.

    That makes more sense, and I recall something like that too. Moot point for me, since all my hosts (likely to run VB) are running some sort of 64 bit OS (Windows or Linux).


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, March 19, 2020 19:16:14
    On 3/16/20 7:23 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    Tracker1 wrote to Sneaky <=-
    If your host is windows, best bet is Hyper-V (requires Windows Pro or higher), and it will generally work better than DosBox and on-par with VMWare, though VMWare workstation is imho slightly easier, but not
    worth the price of entry for a Windows desktop use.

    Is VMWare Player still free? I used that for years. You couldn't snapshot
    the VM, but for the most part it worked fine.

    There's also Oracle Virtualbox, free for personal use, but the newer
    versions don't support 32-bit guest OSes. That seems like a mistake, as most of the uses I've seen for virtualization involve older OSes. But, we're not the paying audience they're looking to.


    VMWare Player is still free afaik... I'm always using Windows Pro, so
    just use Hyper-V which has worked out better. Currently using WSL2 +
    Docker (with WSL2) and that's been working very well for me.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Friday, March 20, 2020 07:45:00
    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    VMWare Player is still free afaik... I'm always using Windows Pro, so
    just use Hyper-V which has worked out better. Currently using WSL2 + Docker (with WSL2) and that's been working very well for me.

    With this new working-from-home phase, my poor old system is starting to
    fall short. It's got a core 2 quad CPU at 3ghz, which moves OK, but newer VMWare Workstation versions don't support it.

    I've only got 8 GB of RAM, and it uses DDR2 error-correcting RAM, which is impossible to find. Chrome is turning into a RAM hog, using 2 GB with 8-10 windows open. Time to try Firefox again.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, March 26, 2020 04:40:13
    On 3/20/2020 7:45 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    VMWare Player is still free afaik... I'm always using Windows Pro, so
    just use Hyper-V which has worked out better. Currently using WSL2 + Docker (with WSL2) and that's been working very well for me.

    With this new working-from-home phase, my poor old system is starting to
    fall short. It's got a core 2 quad CPU at 3ghz, which moves OK, but newer VMWare Workstation versions don't support it.

    I've only got 8 GB of RAM, and it uses DDR2 error-correcting RAM, which is impossible to find. Chrome is turning into a RAM hog, using 2 GB with 8-10 windows open. Time to try Firefox again.

    That would make things more complicated these days... I'm having trouble
    with my work issued laptop running out of ram while working (16gb, 8550U
    cpu), just put in a request to jump to 32gb or get a newer laptop... I
    hit CPU bottlenecks too, but less often than RAM, which is multiple
    times a day lately. I'm using about 2-3gb for chrom2, ~2gb for teams
    (when in video chat/conf calls), another 4-8gb for wsl2+docker for the services/apps I'm working on and just run out with general background
    stuff over the top.

    I upgraded my personal desktop back in October after 5.5+ years... new
    box is Ryzen R9 3950X, 64gb ram, 2x 1tb nvme... I can't manage to max it
    out for anything I've worked on... which is kind of nice. Work cracked
    down on my using my personal box for work, so stuck using the work
    laptop... since wfh the last couple weeks, did setup a kvm which has
    made it a little easier at least.

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