• New drives for BBS machine

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Monday, December 30, 2019 14:16:43
    I've been running my BBS on a dedicated PC since 2012. I replaced its hard drive around 2016 when I noticed its old hard drive started making wierd noises. Now I'll be replacing its hard drive again..

    I run Linux Mint on my BBS machine, with the BBS itself running in a virtual machine running a 32-bit edition of Windows. I also use my BBS machine as a Plex media server to stream movies & TV shows to my TVs at home. Lately I had been noticing that PC's hard drive had been a bit slow, taking a few minutes to fully boot up and being generally slow sometimes while running. Yesterday I decided I'd like to have an SSD in it for its boot drive and ordered one from Amazon. I'm just waiting for that to arrive tomorrow.

    Last night I also started backing up my Plex media files & things onto an external hard drive so I can re-format and re-organize the hard drive a bit. I noticed that while copying the files to the external HDD, for some of the files, Linux Mint was giving an error saying "error splicing file", though it seemed to copy the whole file. I figured it might be good to replace the HDD in my BBS PC too, so I ordered one from Amazon. So tomorrow, I should have a new SSD for the boot drive and new HDD for storage for my BBS machine.
    Hopefully at least the SSD should speed things up a bit. I'm planning to put my BBS VM on the SSD and store my Plex media files etc. on the HDD.

    The new HDD I ordered from Amazon is a Seagate and is supposedly designed for "24x7 heavy duty" use.. I'll see how it works out.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Monday, December 30, 2019 19:02:43
    Nightfox wrote:
    I've been running my BBS on a dedicated PC since 2012. I replaced its hard drive around 2016 when I noticed its old hard drive started making wierd noises. Now I'll be replacing its hard drive again..

    I run Linux Mint on my BBS machine, with the BBS itself running in a virtual machine running a 32-bit edition of Windows. I also use my BBS machine as a Plex media server to stream movies & TV shows to my TVs at home. Lately I had been noticing that PC's hard drive had been a bit slow, taking a few minutes to fully boot up and being generally slow sometimes while running. Yesterday I decided I'd like to have an SSD in it for its boot drive and ordered one from Amazon. I'm just waiting for that to arrive tomorrow.

    Last night I also started backing up my Plex media files & things onto an external hard drive so I can re-format and re-organize the hard drive a bit. I noticed that while copying the files to the external HDD, for some of the files, Linux Mint was giving an error saying "error splicing file", though it seemed to copy the whole file. I figured it might be good to replace the HDD in my BBS PC too, so I ordered one from Amazon. So tomorrow, I should have a new SSD for the boot drive and new HDD for storage for my BBS machine.
    Hopefully at least the SSD should speed things up a bit. I'm planning to put my BBS VM on the SSD and store my Plex media files etc. on the HDD.

    My BBS runs on a VPS in Dallas and use burp to back it up nightly to a VPS
    in Europe so that's all covered, for my personal Linux server I have two SSD drives which are mirrored for booting and /home, I then have 4 x 4TB drives
    in a RAID 10 configuration. All my mp3s, videos, pictures, and other stuff
    that isn't speed sensitive is on those disk. I have a spare on my shelf in
    case one goes bad and I can replace it while the other is RMA'd. I usually
    get 3 or 5 year warranty disks.

    I then have a standalone 4gb hard drive for "scatch" stuff like downloading large filed and uncompressing and compiling and stuff that'll be deleted so
    I'm not burning away writes on my ssd.

    For completeness, I have 2 bluray burners :) Yes, I had to pay extra for a motherboard with that many SATA ports and I have an internal 4 port SATA
    board.

    There's also a 6GB external attached for rsync backups.


    On the Windows side, I have a m.2 drive for root, an SSD for other stuff and
    an external drive for backups. I also burp backup to Europe important files
    on the Windows system.

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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Monday, December 30, 2019 18:05:05
    Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to All on Mon Dec 30 2019 02:16 pm

    The new HDD I ordered from Amazon is a Seagate and is supposedly designed for "24x7 heavy duty" use.. I'll see how it works out.

    Good luck! I almost bought an SSD for my new machine, but the cheap a**hole in me said to just get the HDD. Hope it doesn't bite me there someday.

    Grease
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Nelgin on Monday, December 30, 2019 17:37:41
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nelgin to Nightfox on Mon Dec 30 2019 07:02 pm

    My BBS runs on a VPS in Dallas and use burp to back it up nightly to a VPS in Europe so that's all covered, for my personal Linux server I have two

    Does Burp keep multiple backups? The thing about automatic daily backups like that is that something goes wrong one day (suppose some files get deleted), then you'd have a backup with problems in it, which is the opposite of what you'd want.. I like having a known good backup that I can revert to if something goes wrong.

    For completeness, I have 2 bluray burners :) Yes, I had to pay extra for a

    I built a new desktop PC this past year, and I bought a UHD (4K) blu-ray burner for it. I don't really use optical disks often anymore, but sometimes I still like to burn a backup or something to an optical disc.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Monday, December 30, 2019 20:22:01
    Nightfox wrote:
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nelgin to Nightfox on Mon Dec 30 2019 07:02 pm

    My BBS runs on a VPS in Dallas and use burp to back it up nightly to a VPS
    in Europe so that's all covered, for my personal Linux server I have two

    Does Burp keep multiple backups? The thing about automatic daily backups like that is that something goes wrong one day (suppose some files get deleted), then you'd have a backup with problems in it, which is the opposite of what you'd want.. I like having a known good backup that I can revert to if something goes wrong.

    For completeness, I have 2 bluray burners :) Yes, I had to pay extra for a

    I built a new desktop PC this past year, and I bought a UHD (4K) blu-ray burner for it. I don't really use optical disks often anymore, but sometimes I still like to burn a backup or something to an optical disc.

    Nightfox

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    Yes, you make your daily backups, then you have weekly, and monthly, you
    keep as many daily backups as you like.

    Backup: 0000393 2019-11-18 13:43:03 +0100 (deletable)
    Backup: 0000407 2019-12-03 02:43:04 +0100 (deletable)
    Backup: 0000421 2019-12-17 16:43:03 +0100 (deletable)
    Backup: 0000427 2019-12-23 21:43:03 +0100 (deletable)
    Backup: 0000428 2019-12-24 22:43:03 +0100
    Backup: 0000429 2019-12-25 23:43:03 +0100 (deletable)
    Backup: 0000430 2019-12-27 00:43:05 +0100
    Backup: 0000431 2019-12-28 01:43:03 +0100
    Backup: 0000432 2019-12-29 02:43:04 +0100
    Backup: 0000433 2019-12-30 03:43:03 +0100

    I choose to keep a few days worth and then a couple of monthlies it looks
    like. This had really saved my ass a couple of times.

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 16:32:32
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to Nelgin on Mon Dec 30 2019 05:37 pm

    Does Burp keep multiple backups? The thing about automatic daily backups

    If you are reviewing tools for backup - I use restic. (I dont know if it works on Windows - as I dont backup any windows systems).

    I like it because the target of your backup can be a lot of things (local drive, S3 destination - I'm sure there are some others) - and I use it to backup to a QNAP running Minio (thus an s3 destination).

    Backups are incremental - and restoring is pretty easy. You can even mount backups as a drive via fuse.

    In terms of how many copies of backups you keep, it has a good policy engine as well...
    ...deon


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Grease on Monday, December 30, 2019 21:25:57
    Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Mon Dec 30 2019 06:05 pm

    Good luck! I almost bought an SSD for my new machine, but the cheap a**hole in me said to just get the HDD. Hope it doesn't bite me there someday.

    Very high-capacity SSDs are still more expensive than HDDs.. It can still be more cost-effective to have a relatively small SSD for the boot drive and a HDD for storage.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Grease on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 18:07:00
    On 12-30-19 18:05, Grease wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Good luck! I almost bought an SSD for my new machine, but the cheap a**hole in me said to just get the HDD. Hope it doesn't bite me there someday.

    SSD is definitely worth it for your OS drive, and HDD is the choice for bulk storage, like for file areas.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 22:31:00
    On 12-30-19 21:25, Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-

    Very high-capacity SSDs are still more expensive than HDDs.. It can
    still be more cost-effective to have a relatively small SSD for the
    boot drive and a HDD for storage.

    That does seem to be the best bang for the buck.


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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 08:39:04
    Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to Grease on Mon Dec 30 2019 09:25 pm

    Very high-capacity SSDs are still more expensive than HDDs..

    Yeah, I was looking a 1 TB. The 250m ssd is reasonable though.

    Grease
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Alterego on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:50:00
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine (backups)
    By: Alterego to Nightfox on Tue Dec 31 2019 04:32 pm

    If you are reviewing tools for backup - I use restic. (I dont know if it works on Windows - as I dont backup any windows systems).

    I'm not currently reviewing tools for backup. Usually I use external USB drives for backup, and sometimes I still burn things to optical disc for backups.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:52:37
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Dec 31 2019 10:31 pm

    Very high-capacity SSDs are still more expensive than HDDs.. It can
    still be more cost-effective to have a relatively small SSD for the
    boot drive and a HDD for storage.

    That does seem to be the best bang for the buck.

    I put an M.2 SSD in my most recent PC build to use for the boot drive. I was a bit excited to see that work - I really like that M.2 drives mount directly to the motherboard, which means they don't need their own SATA cable or power cable and don't need to be mounted in the PC case. Also they can potentially be much faster since the M.2 interface is faster than SATA.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 10:11:00
    On 12-31-19 10:52, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I put an M.2 SSD in my most recent PC build to use for the boot drive.
    I was a bit excited to see that work - I really like that M.2 drives
    mount directly to the motherboard, which means they don't need their
    own SATA cable or power cable and don't need to be mounted in the PC
    case. Also they can potentially be much faster since the M.2 interface
    is faster than SATA.

    That sounds neat. I haven't seen those, but it has been a few years since I've bought any PCs. :) One day, I should really upgrade this PC to SSD, and repurpose the HDD for storage.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 22:25:36
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Dec 31 2019 10:31 pm

    On 12-30-19 21:25, Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-

    Very high-capacity SSDs are still more expensive than HDDs.. It can still be more cost-effective to have a relatively small SSD for the boot drive and a HDD for storage.

    That does seem to be the best bang for the buck.



    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a big improvement.

    i'm satisified with the speed.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 23:22:09
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jan 01 2020 10:11 am

    I put an M.2 SSD in my most recent PC build to use for the boot
    drive. I was a bit excited to see that work - I really like that M.2
    drives mount directly to the motherboard, which means they don't
    need their own SATA cable or power cable and don't need to be
    mounted in the PC case. Also they can potentially be much faster
    since the M.2 interface is faster than SATA.

    That sounds neat. I haven't seen those, but it has been a few years since I've bought any PCs. :) One day, I should really upgrade this PC to SSD, and repurpose the HDD for storage.

    I was discussing M.2 SSDs with someone in BBS land a few months ago, and I thought it was you.. Maybe not. Anyway, this is the Wikipedia article on M.2 SSDs:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

    If you build PCs, I'd recommend using an M.2 SSD over a SATA SSD if you can.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 19:26:00
    On 12-31-19 22:25, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a big improvement.

    SSHD?


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 10:25:50
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a
    big improvement.

    SSHD?

    Solid-State hybrid drive - Spinning platter drives that have a bit of solid-state storage that acts as a cache for the files you use most often.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 13:35:40
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    On 12-31-19 22:25, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a big improvement.

    SSHD?


    hybrid between regular and ssd
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 13:52:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Solid-State hybrid drive - Spinning platter drives that have a bit of solid-state storage that acts as a cache for the files you use most
    often.

    I swore by those for several years - bought close to a hundred of them as replacements for systems at work. Normal boot up time, but once you opened Skype, Outlook and your usual apps, they all ran out of the 4-8GB cache on
    the side of the spinner. Cheap, too.

    I think finally it makes more sense to go for an SSD.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 15:28:12
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jan 01 2020 01:52 pm

    Solid-State hybrid drive - Spinning platter drives that have a bit
    of solid-state storage that acts as a cache for the files you use
    most often.

    I swore by those for several years - bought close to a hundred of them as replacements for systems at work. Normal boot up time, but once you opened Skype, Outlook and your usual apps, they all ran out of the 4-8GB cache on the side of the spinner. Cheap, too.

    I think finally it makes more sense to go for an SSD.

    I put an SSD in my main computer in 2012, and I noticed that OS boot time shrunk dramatically, but running software doesn't seem much quicker.
    Only just recently, I started playing X-Plane 11 (flight simulator) on my PC, which is a fairly detailed flight simulator and has many files on the hard drive that it loads when starting up and starting a flight. I noticed it was a bit slow to run, so I tried moving it to my SSD from my HDD. That helped its load times a bit, though not as dramatically as I had hoped.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 21:19:51
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Jan 01 2020 01:52 pm

    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Solid-State hybrid drive - Spinning platter drives that have a bit of solid-state storage that acts as a cache for the files you use most often.

    I swore by those for several years - bought close to a hundred of them as replacements for systems at work. Normal boot up time, but once you opened Skype, Outlook and your usual apps, they all ran out of the 4-8GB cache on the side of the spinner. Cheap, too.


    no, the bootup time is a bit faster than normal drives.

    i just had a regular drive fail with no warning and i'm back to using this sshd drive and i notice the speed increase with everything
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 02, 2020 00:38:56
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, January 02, 2020 20:11:00
    On 01-01-20 10:25, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a
    big improvement.

    SSHD?

    Solid-State hybrid drive - Spinning platter drives that have a bit of solid-state storage that acts as a cache for the files you use most
    often.

    Ahh, OK, could be useful for some things, though separating bulk storage from the OS with the best tech for each is probably best for most.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Thursday, January 02, 2020 20:12:00
    On 01-01-20 13:35, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    On 12-31-19 22:25, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a big improvement.

    SSHD?


    hybrid between regular and ssd

    Yep, could be useful for some things.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn on Thursday, January 02, 2020 20:15:00
    On 01-02-20 00:38, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    ... Dawn crept across the lawn, searching for her car keys.

    Lol, stolen

    Hahaha enjoy. :D


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 02, 2020 06:56:09
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 19:26:00


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Grease on Thursday, January 02, 2020 12:09:37
    Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Grease to Nightfox on Mon Dec 30 2019 06:05 pm

    Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to All on Mon Dec 30 2019 02:16 pm

    The new HDD I ordered from Amazon is a Seagate and is supposedly designed for "24x7 heavy duty" use.. I'll see how it works out.

    Good luck! I almost bought an SSD for my new machine, but the cheap a**hole in me said to just get the HDD. Hope it doesn't bite me there someday.

    All updated/new systems (by me) now have at least one SSD for a boot drive. You can get a 1TB SSD for $99 now and the performance improvement (over any HDD) is very noticeable. A large (multiple-TB) secondary HDD for large file storage is often good to have too.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 02, 2020 15:42:50
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Jan 02 2020 08:11 pm


    Ahh, OK, could be useful for some things, though separating bulk storage fro the OS with the best tech for each is probably best for most.

    that's all open to opinion, though.
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  • From Grease@VERT/DARKMATT to Digital Man on Thursday, January 02, 2020 17:20:52
    Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Digital Man to Grease on Thu Jan 02 2020 12:09 pm

    All updated/new systems (by me) now have at least one SSD for a boot drive. You can get a 1TB SSD for $99 now and the performance improvement (over any HDD) is very noticeable. A large (multiple-TB) secondary HDD for large file storage is often good to have too.

    May be my next computer puchase then. Then I could dual boot. When my old computer crashed, I bought a new one with a 500GB windows 10 hdd. I then added
    my 1tb linux hard drive to the system.

    Grease
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 02, 2020 17:44:30
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    On 12-31-19 22:25, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a big improvement.

    SSHD?

    Hybrid SSD/HDD.

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Rampage on Friday, January 03, 2020 11:47:00
    On 01-02-20 06:56, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    ... Dawn crept across the lawn, searching for her car keys.

    i have a couple of variants of that one... this one is cute, too...

    Lots of good ones around. ;)

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    Stolen. :D Doesn't work as well here, the seasons are reversed, and flowering is usually September-October for many species. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Friday, January 03, 2020 11:48:00
    On 01-02-20 15:42, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Ahh, OK, could be useful for some things, though separating bulk storage fro the OS with the best tech for each is probably best for most.

    that's all open to opinion, though.

    True, and exact use cases.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Friday, January 03, 2020 12:29:00
    On 01-02-20 12:09, Digital Man wrote to Grease <=-

    All updated/new systems (by me) now have at least one SSD for a boot drive. You can get a 1TB SSD for $99 now and the performance
    improvement (over any HDD) is very noticeable. A large (multiple-TB) secondary HDD for large file storage is often good to have too.

    I upgraded a Linux machine from HDD to SSD, and the performance went through the roof, outperforming my much faster and newer machine that had twice the RAM. SSD is well worth the expense now. And I agree on multi TB storage - you still can't go past spinning disks for that role.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 02, 2020 22:26:59
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Fri Jan 03 2020 12:29 pm

    I upgraded a Linux machine from HDD to SSD, and the performance went through the roof, outperforming my much faster and newer machine that had twice the RAM. SSD is well worth the expense now. And I agree on multi TB storage - you still can't go past spinning disks for that role.

    I recently had to replace the HDD in my BBS machine since the HDD in it was apparently going bad, and several days ago the host OS (Linux) wouldn't fully boot anymore. I replaced the HDD, and also put an SSD in it for the boot drive. With the old drive, that PC was taking at least 3 or 4 minutes to fully boot up (maybe a sign of a HDD going bad?). I installed Linux fresh on the SSD and set everything up again, and with the SSD, Linux boots up in seconds. Compared to how it was booting before, it feels like Linux boots up pretty much immediately. I'm even using a light GUI on it (Xfce) - I know with a server it's ideal not to have a GUI, but I like having a GUI for some things. I run the BBS on that machine in a VirtualBox VM (running a 32-bit Windows), and sometimes it's useful to have the VirtualBox VM window open on it so I can directly interact with the VM if I need to. I also use that PC as a Plex media server, so I have the Plex server for Linux installed on it, with media on the HDD.

    I have my BBS VM on the SSD so that the BBS VM can start up quickly.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 02, 2020 23:42:03
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Rampage on Fri Jan 03 2020 11:47 am

    ... Windows 3.1: the best $99 solitare game I've ever seen!

    Lol that was about all windows 3.0 and 3.1 had that I used,

    windows 3.0 & 3.1 was just a gui DOS shell.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Friday, January 03, 2020 17:25:00
    On 01-02-20 17:44, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jan 01 2020 07:26 pm

    On 12-31-19 22:25, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've never used a ssd , but i do have some sshd and those were a big improvement.

    SSHD?

    Hybrid SSD/HDD.

    Yeah I hadn't seen those. These days, my preference is SSD for smaller systems and SSD boot/HDD bulk storage when more space is needed.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Friday, January 03, 2020 11:31:36
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Denn to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 02 2020 11:42 pm

    ... Windows 3.1: the best $99 solitare game I've ever seen!

    Lol that was about all windows 3.0 and 3.1 had that I used,

    windows 3.0 & 3.1 was just a gui DOS shell.

    When Windows 95 came out and I realized it also ran like a DOS shell, I was suspicious why Microsoft called Windows 95 an "operating system". You could exit out of Windows 95 to a DOS prompt and even configure it to boot to just a DOS prompt (not running Windows 95 automatically) if you wanted to. Though at the same time, I thought it was kinda cool that Windows 95 was more feature-rich than Windows 3.1 and it was something that could be run from DOS..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, January 03, 2020 11:36:05
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Fri Jan 03 2020 05:25 pm

    Yeah I hadn't seen those. These days, my preference is SSD for smaller systems and SSD boot/HDD bulk storage when more space is needed.

    It seems like it's harder to find good high-performing HDDs where I live. I tend to buy a lot of computer parts online anyway, but it seems it's harder to find a good selection at local stores. Recently, there were a couple of small independent computar parts stores in my area that closed down, and I went to a Best Buy to find an internal 3.5" HDD, and pretty much all they had for those were Western Digital Blue drives (they did have one Western Digital Black, but it was 1TB and I wanted something bigger). I heard the Western Digital Blue drives are 5400rpm and are made for regular desktop use, and I was buying one for my PC that runs Plex & my BBS (it's on 24/7), and I needed a new drive right away so I decided to just buy a WD Blue at Best Buy.

    I also recently put an SSD in my Plex/BBS PC and have the OS and my BBS on the SSD so that they start up quickly.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, January 03, 2020 19:03:00
    On 01-02-20 22:26, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I recently had to replace the HDD in my BBS machine since the HDD in it was apparently going bad, and several days ago the host OS (Linux) wouldn't fully boot anymore. I replaced the HDD, and also put an SSD
    in it for the boot drive. With the old drive, that PC was taking at
    least 3 or 4 minutes to fully boot up (maybe a sign of a HDD going
    bad?). I installed Linux fresh on the SSD and set everything up again,

    Sounds like a typical boot time on a HDD for a machine with a lot of daemons/services starting up on Windows or a recent Linux distro with systemd.

    and with the SSD, Linux boots up in seconds. Compared to how it was booting before, it feels like Linux boots up pretty much immediately.

    I found the same. My Linux machine went from a few minutes to about 20 seconds when I switched to a SSD. I'm sure the old SysV init started quicker on a HDD.
    When I first heard systemd was trying to start everything at once, I thought this would happen, because I've seen it on Windows.

    I'm even using a light GUI on it (Xfce) - I know with a server it's
    ideal not to have a GUI, but I like having a GUI for some things. I
    run the BBS on that machine in a VirtualBox VM (running a 32-bit

    The Linux machine I upgraded to SSD runs Mint, so there's a bit more of a GUI there.

    Windows), and sometimes it's useful to have the VirtualBox VM window
    open on it so I can directly interact with the VM if I need to. I also use that PC as a Plex media server, so I have the Plex server for Linux installed on it, with media on the HDD.

    Ahh, OK. yeah I'd use HDD for that sort of media too.

    I have my BBS VM on the SSD so that the BBS VM can start up quickly.

    Nice. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn on Friday, January 03, 2020 19:07:00
    On 01-02-20 23:42, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/OUTWEST
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Rampage on Fri Jan 03 2020 11:47 am

    ... Windows 3.1: the best $99 solitare game I've ever seen!

    Lol that was about all windows 3.0 and 3.1 had that I used,

    windows 3.0 & 3.1 was just a gui DOS shell.

    Haha yeah solitaire was very popular back then. :)

    Windows 3.1 (well at least WFWG 3.11) supported Win32s, which allowed some 32 bit Windows code to run. But then again, DOS had DPMI.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, January 03, 2020 15:47:56
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 02 2020 10:26 pm

    I recently had to replace the HDD in my BBS machine since the HDD in it was apparently going bad, and several days ago the host OS (Linux) wouldn't full boot anymore. I replaced the HDD, and also put an SSD in it for the boot drive. With the old drive, that PC was taking at least 3 or 4 minutes to fu boot up (maybe a sign of a HDD going bad?). I installed Linux fresh on the and set everything up again, and with the SSD, Linux boots up in seconds. Compared to how it was booting before, it feels like Linux boots up pretty m immediately. I'm even using a light GUI on it (Xfce) - I know with a server it's ideal not to have a GUI, but I like having a GUI for some things. I ru


    i dont think with your situation it's a decent benchmark for anything.

    my windows 10 computer boots in seconds instead of minutes, too.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, January 03, 2020 15:52:22
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 03 2020 11:36 am

    it was 1TB and I wanted something bigger). I heard the Western Digital Blue drives are 5400rpm and are made for regular desktop use, and I was buying on for my PC that runs Plex & my BBS (it's on 24/7), and I needed a new drive right away so I decided to just buy a WD Blue at Best Buy.


    you're a computer guy and you dont have a closet of 1tb drives?
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, January 03, 2020 14:42:01
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Jan 03 2020 07:03 pm

    I recently had to replace the HDD in my BBS machine since the HDD in
    it was apparently going bad, and several days ago the host OS
    (Linux) wouldn't fully boot anymore. I replaced the HDD, and also
    put an SSD in it for the boot drive. With the old drive, that PC
    was taking at least 3 or 4 minutes to fully boot up (maybe a sign of
    a HDD going bad?). I installed Linux fresh on the SSD and set
    everything up again,

    Sounds like a typical boot time on a HDD for a machine with a lot of daemons/services starting up on Windows or a recent Linux distro with systemd.

    It seemed like an exceptionally long boot time though..

    I found the same. My Linux machine went from a few minutes to about 20 seconds when I switched to a SSD. I'm sure the old SysV init started quicker on a HDD.
    When I first heard systemd was trying to start everything at once, I thought this would happen, because I've seen it on Windows.

    I had a similar experience years ago when I moved my Windows boot partition to an SSD. That was an existing OS installation. When I put an SSD in my Linux machine recently, I installed a fresh copy of Linux Mint, and it seems like it's not even taking 20 seconds. Maybe around 4-5 seconds or so to boot to a desktop, I'd say.

    I'm even using a light GUI on it (Xfce) - I know with a server it's
    ideal not to have a GUI, but I like having a GUI for some things. I
    run the BBS on that machine in a VirtualBox VM (running a 32-bit

    The Linux machine I upgraded to SSD runs Mint, so there's a bit more of a GUI there.

    Mint is what I'm running on mine too. There are a few different flavors of Mint though - There's one with their Cinnamon GUI, another with the MATE GUI, and another with the Xfce GUI.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Friday, January 03, 2020 14:46:52
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Jan 03 2020 03:52 pm

    it was 1TB and I wanted something bigger). I heard the Western
    Digital Blue drives are 5400rpm and are made for regular desktop use,
    and I was buying on for my PC that runs Plex & my BBS (it's on 24/7),
    and I needed a new drive right away so I decided to just buy a WD Blue
    at Best Buy.

    you're a computer guy and you dont have a closet of 1tb drives?

    Are all computer guys supposed to have a clost full of drives?
    I used to have a bunch of old drives & other computer accessories I had saved. I realized I pretty much never used any of it, so I figured I didn't need it anymore. After a while, I don't really like my house/closet cluttered up with old junk I'm not going to use.

    I don't think I'd trust an older drive that I had used years ago that
    had been sitting in a clost though.. And many of the old drives I had were fairly small by today's standards, like around 200-300GB or so.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, January 03, 2020 14:49:39
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Denn on Fri Jan 03 2020 07:07 pm

    Windows 3.1 (well at least WFWG 3.11) supported Win32s, which allowed some 32 bit Windows code to run. But then again, DOS had DPMI.

    I remember there being a Win32s installer for Windows 3.1 that would add Win32s support, so I don't think you had to have WFWG 3.11 for Win32s support. And as you said, it was only 'some' 32-bit Windows code. You couldn't just run any Windows 95 app on Windows 3.1 with it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DIGITAL MAN on Friday, January 03, 2020 19:01:00
    All updated/new systems (by me) now have at least one SSD for a boot drive. You
    can get a 1TB SSD for $99 now and the performance improvement (over any HDD) is
    very noticeable. A large (multiple-TB) secondary HDD for large file storage is >ften good to have too.

    do they make SSD or hybrids which are drop-in replacements for IDE based systems? Next time I need a new HD for a legacy machine, I might consider
    one of those over the older HDs I have pulled out of old systems which are
    now sitting on the shelf.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Friday, January 03, 2020 17:30:25
    Re: New drives for BBS machin
    By: Dumas Walker to DIGITAL MAN on Fri Jan 03 2020 07:01 pm

    All updated/new systems (by me) now have at least one SSD for a boot drive. You
    can get a 1TB SSD for $99 now and the performance improvement (over any HDD) is
    very noticeable. A large (multiple-TB) secondary HDD for large file storage is >ften good to have too.

    do they make SSD or hybrids which are drop-in replacements for IDE based systems?

    Yes, definitely (SATA = Serial ATA = modern IDE).

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, January 04, 2020 12:25:00
    On 01-03-20 11:36, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It seems like it's harder to find good high-performing HDDs where I
    live. I tend to buy a lot of computer parts online anyway, but it

    Yeah, we have a decent computer store in town here, and I think 7200 RPM drives are readily available.

    I also recently put an SSD in my Plex/BBS PC and have the OS and my BBS
    on the SSD so that they start up quickly.

    Yep. Well BBSs are on SD anyway. It's just this desktop that could do with a SSD for faster booting/paging.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, January 04, 2020 12:28:00
    On 01-03-20 14:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sounds like a typical boot time on a HDD for a machine with a lot of daemons/services starting up on Windows or a recent Linux distro with systemd.

    It seemed like an exceptionally long boot time though..

    Yeah I have seen it though. :)

    I had a similar experience years ago when I moved my Windows boot partition to an SSD. That was an existing OS installation. When I put
    an SSD in my Linux machine recently, I installed a fresh copy of Linux Mint, and it seems like it's not even taking 20 seconds. Maybe around
    4-5 seconds or so to boot to a desktop, I'd say.

    Yeah it might have been 10 seconds in my case. :)

    The Linux machine I upgraded to SSD runs Mint, so there's a bit more of a GUI there.

    Mint is what I'm running on mine too. There are a few different
    flavors of Mint though - There's one with their Cinnamon GUI, another
    with the MATE GUI, and another with the Xfce GUI.

    I'm running Cinnamon on the Linux desktop.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, January 04, 2020 12:32:00
    On 01-03-20 14:49, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Windows 3.1 (well at least WFWG 3.11) supported Win32s, which allowed some 32 bit Windows code to run. But then again, DOS had DPMI.

    I remember there being a Win32s installer for Windows 3.1 that would
    add Win32s support, so I don't think you had to have WFWG 3.11 for
    Win32s support. And as you said, it was only 'some' 32-bit Windows
    code. You couldn't just run any Windows 95 app on Windows 3.1 with it.

    Yeah, as I had a LAN since the mid 90s, I used WFWG 3.11, rather than Win 3.1, so I wasn't 100% sure if there were any other differences, besides the LAN networking in WFWG. As a result, I have little experience with things like Trumpet Winsock, because I didn't need it - I had a Linux box on my LAN that handled the modem. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, January 03, 2020 22:13:50
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jan 04 2020 12:28 pm

    I'm running Cinnamon on the Linux desktop.

    I really like Linux Mint with Cinnamon. A while ago, I found that you can also install Cinnamon on Ubuntu.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Friday, January 03, 2020 23:14:54
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Jan 03 2020 11:31 am

    When Windows 95 came out and I realized it also ran like a DOS shell, I was suspicious why Microsoft called Windows 95 an "operating system". You could exit out of Windows 95 to a DOS prompt and even configure it to boot to just a DOS prompt (not running Windows 95 automatically) if you wanted to. Though at the same time, I thought it was kinda cool that Windows 95 was more feature-rich than Windows 3.1 and it was something that could be run from DOS..

    yes it was a fancier DOS shell but still wraped around DOS.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Saturday, January 04, 2020 09:30:59
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Jan 03 2020 14:46:52


    And many of the old drives I had were fairly small by today's
    standards, like around 200-300GB or so.

    FWIW: my firewall machine runs on a PATA 12Gig drive and has been on 24x7 for the last 10+ years... before that drive was used for the firewall, it had been one of my BBS drives, also running 24x7 for some years before being upgraded to something larger like a 20Gig or two ;)


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Vk3jed on Saturday, January 04, 2020 13:29:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Digital Man <=-

    I upgraded a Linux machine from HDD to SSD, and the performance went through the roof, outperforming my much faster and newer machine that
    had twice the RAM. SSD is well worth the expense now. And I agree on multi TB storage - you still can't go past spinning disks for that
    role.

    I did the same for an old laptop. I replaced the spinning hard drive with a larger SSD and it was nearly as fast as my new desktop system.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Saturday, January 04, 2020 12:07:02
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sat Jan 04 2020 09:30 am

    And many of the old drives I had were fairly small by today's
    standards, like around 200-300GB or so.

    FWIW: my firewall machine runs on a PATA 12Gig drive and has been on 24x7 for the last 10+ years... before that drive was used for the firewall, it had been one of my BBS drives, also running 24x7 for some years before being upgraded to something larger like a 20Gig or two ;)

    One of the things I use the machine for is a Plex media server, with movies & TV shows, so I want more space on it than that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, January 05, 2020 13:35:00
    On 01-03-20 22:13, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jan 04 2020 12:28 pm

    I'm running Cinnamon on the Linux desktop.

    I really like Linux Mint with Cinnamon. A while ago, I found that you
    can also install Cinnamon on Ubuntu.

    Yes, I like the Cinnamon interface on Mint as well.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dr. What on Sunday, January 05, 2020 13:36:00
    On 01-04-20 13:29, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I did the same for an old laptop. I replaced the spinning hard drive
    with a larger SSD and it was nearly as fast as my new desktop system.

    Yes, my 12 year old system with 4G RAM became faster than my 3 year old system with 8G, after upgrading the former with a SSD. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Sunday, January 05, 2020 09:55:00
    Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I did the same for an old laptop. I replaced the spinning hard drive
    with a larger SSD and it was nearly as fast as my new desktop system.

    I have an old IBM Thinkpad T42 - 4:3 screen, 1.8 ghz single core pentium,
    and slow 5400 RPM OEM PATA drive. I found an oddball manufacturer that made PATA SSDs, and despite going through a parallel ATA interface, gave the
    system a shot in the arm that made a 15 year old laptop usable. It got some thumbs up at the local working coffee shop.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Denn on Sunday, January 05, 2020 13:18:36
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Denn to Nightfox on Fri Jan 03 2020 11:14 pm

    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Jan 03 2020 11:31 am

    When Windows 95 came out and I realized it also ran like a DOS shell, I was suspicious why Microsoft called Windows 95 an "operating system". You could exit out of Windows 95 to a DOS prompt and even configure it to boot to just a DOS prompt (not running Windows 95 automatically) if you wanted to. Though at the same time, I thought it was kinda cool that Windows 95 was more feature-rich than Windows 3.1 and it was something that could be run from DOS..

    yes it was a fancier DOS shell but still wraped around DOS.

    It was a lot more than just a "DOS shell": https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20071224-00/?p=24063

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Digital Man on Monday, January 06, 2020 02:06:38
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS machine
    By: Digital Man to Denn on Sun Jan 05 2020 01:18 pm

    yes it was a fancier DOS shell but still wraped around DOS.

    It was a lot more than just a "DOS shell": https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20071224-00/?p=24063

    Yes I realize it was.
    my point is at that point it was still using DOS infrastructure, but with windows 95 it utilized a solid GUI so one didn't need to go into the DOS shell all the time as with windows 3.1.
    It was a huge improvement over DOS and windows 3.1.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 07, 2020 21:07:09
    Re: Re: New drives for BBS ma
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Sun Jan 05 2020 09:55 am

    Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I did the same for an old laptop. I replaced the spinning hard drive with a larger SSD and it was nearly as fast as my new desktop system.

    I have an old IBM Thinkpad T42 - 4:3 screen, 1.8 ghz single core pentium, and slow 5400 RPM OEM PATA drive. I found an oddball manufacturer that made PATA SSDs, and despite going through a parallel ATA interface, gave the system a shot in the arm that made a 15 year old laptop usable. It got some thumbs up at the local working coffee shop.



    I have a very similar system, a Thinkpad T43. I've put in a 250G hard drive, which is the largest IDE drive I could find, but its still a little slow (and unreliable).

    Never heard of a PATA SSD drive, but it sounds exactly like something I would want.

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