Wayoul wrote to All <=-
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course
at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of
something that's an "American Classic", what's something that
immediately springs to mind?
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course
at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of
something that's an "American Classic", what's something that
immediately springs to mind?
Without thinking too much, the first three names that come to my
mind are Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and Edgar Allen Poe.
Hi everyone!
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course at the mome and it got me thinking - when you think of something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
To start the discussion (or lack thereof based on if people actually find interest in responding to such a broad topic), when I think of something tha fits that description, it's Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself", or one of those 1950's checkerboard tile diners you can find across the nation.
I wanted to ask because I see a lot of topics talking about what it means to have things like freedom of speech and I found myself asking, well, what's i even mean to be American?
I look forward to hearing from any and all of you.
Wayoul
Denn wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Gamgee to Wayoul on Fri Oct 11 2019 09:16 pm
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course
at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of
something that's an "American Classic", what's something that
immediately springs to mind?
Without thinking too much, the first three names that come to my
mind are Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and Edgar Allen Poe.
Uhmm I'm pretty sure Charles Dickens is a Brit not American.
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course
at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of
something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
Without thinking too much, the first three names that come to my
mind are Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and Edgar Allen Poe.
Most anything written by any of them are "classics", to me.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
As far as Americans go, I would choose the works of Raymond Chandler.
Wayoul wrote to All <=-
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course
at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of
something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
Without thinking too much, the first three names that come to my
mind are Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and Edgar Allen Poe.
Most anything written by any of them are "classics", to me.
Yes, but Dickens is not an "American Classic." :)
As far as Americans go, I would choose the works of Raymond
Chandler.
Wayoul wrote to All <=-
Hi everyone!
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course at the moment, and it got me thinking - when you think of something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
As far as Americans go, I would choose the works of Raymond Chandler.
Then we'd have to add Maxwell Grant too (writer of The Shadow stories).
And Halloween is approaching, so Washington Irving (Sleepy Hallow, Rip Van Winkle) comes to mind too.
Yes, but Dickens is not an "American Classic." :)
Yes, I realized that after sending... :-) I think I was just
focused on the 19th Century part.
As far as Americans go, I would choose the works of Raymond
Chandler.
Good choice. Did a quick google on him and he certainly had an
interesting life.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
Then we'd have to add Maxwell Grant too (writer of The Shadow stories).
Would that be the same Shadow that was also a radio broadcast series
back in the day?
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
And Halloween is approaching, so Washington Irving (Sleepy Hallow, Rip Van Winkle) comes to mind too.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, too.
Would that be the same Shadow that was also a radio broadcast series back in the day?Yup. That's the one. The early Shadow stories are really good crime stories.
The Millionaire wrote to Marisag <=-
I remember some of the old books I read in my high school days:
1984 by George Orwell
Animal Farm by George Orwell
The Outsiders by Susan Eloise Hinton
Ahhhh..... The Outsiders! One of my favorites.
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The movie was good also. All star studded cast. God I miss the 80's. They were the best times of my life.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: The Millionaire to Thumper on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:35 am
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia may be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until it's gone.
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I remember some of the old books I read in my high school days:
1984 by George Orwell
Animal Farm by George Orwell
The Outsiders by Susan Eloise Hinton
I read the first two. Animal Farm is the only one I have read again since (at least twice). A couple of other books I read in school and liked
enough to read/buy again later:
"The Miller's Tale" from "The Canterbury Tales" by Chaucer
"Winesburg, Ohio" (I cannot remember the author's name right now)
"The Great Gatsby" by F.Scott Fitzgerald
Most of the others were not books I really cared for, and I really
struggled to finish them (if I finished them!).
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Yeah. Tell me about it. I wish I could build a time machine. Then I'd go back to the 80's and never return again. :-)
I remember some of the old books I read in my high school days:
1984 by George Orwell
Animal Farm by George Orwell
The Outsiders by Susan Eloise Hinton
I read the first two. Animal Farm is the only one I have read again since (at least twice). A couple of other books I read in school and liked
enough to read/buy again later:
"The Miller's Tale" from "The Canterbury Tales" by Chaucer
"Winesburg, Ohio" (I cannot remember the author's name right now)
"The Great Gatsby" by F.Scott Fitzgerald
Most of the others were not books I really cared for, and I really
struggled to finish them (if I finished them!).
On 10-15-19 04:49, The Millionaire wrote to Marisag <=-
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I remember some of the old books I read in my high school days:
1984 by George Orwell
Animal Farm by George Orwell
On 10-15-19 12:47, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-
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Re: Re: American Classics
By: The Millionaire to Thumper on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:35 am
The movie was good also. All star studded cast. God I miss the 80's. They were the best times of my life.
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia may
be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to
look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until it's gone.
The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia may be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until it's gone.
Yeah. Tell me about it. I wish I could build a time machine. Then I'd
go back to the 80's and never return again. :-)
Dumas Walker wrote to THE MILLIONAIRE <=-
Most of the others were not books I really cared for, and I really struggled to finish them (if I finished them!).
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
I have a lot of fond memories of the 80s. Sure, what exists today is
the stuff od science fiction dreams of those days, but there's
something about the 80s. I still listen to a lot of 80s music. :)
Dr. What wrote to The Millionaire <=-
But that's the trap of nostalgia. We tend to remember the good things
but downplay the bad things.
But that's the trap of nostalgia. We tend to remember the good things but downplay the bad things.
I felt like the advent of digital synths in the late 70s and early 80s meant that people could make sounds that people hadn't put to music before. I loved the whole new-wave movement from the early 80s; there seemed a breadth of music I haven't heard since.
Yeah. Tell me about it. I wish I could build a time machine. Then I'd go b to the 80's and never return again. :-)
I might not be happy with the way things are now, but I am not sure there
is a decade that I have lived through that I would want to go back to, especially if I was that age again. My memories of most of the 80's are
not so fond. 1980 maybe. 1987 maybe. The rest of it I think not.
I might not be happy with the way things are now, but I am not sure
there is a decade that I have lived through that I would want to go
back to, especially if I was that age again. My memories of most of
the 80's are not so fond. 1980 maybe. 1987 maybe. The rest of it I
think not.
I don't think it's a matter of time, but more of where your heart and mind are during that time period. I guess in some situations there's more oportuni ty or the cultural scene may be different, however I think a lot of it lies in nostalgia.
Dumas Walker wrote to THE MILLIONAIRE <=-
Most of the others were not books I really cared for, and I really struggled to finish them (if I finished them!).
Life is too short to read bad books. Since I was always a good reader, I fo that:
1. English teachers have AWFUL taste in books.
2. Many "classics" simply do not translate well for today's society.
The good news is that I discovered many other "classic" books that are reall good - Like Charles Alden Seltzer (Project Gutenberg) who writes really good westerns.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
I have a lot of fond memories of the 80s. Sure, what exists today is the stuff od science fiction dreams of those days, but there's something about the 80s. I still listen to a lot of 80s music. :)
I felt like the advent of digital synths in the late 70s and early 80s meant that people could make sounds that people hadn't put to music before. I loved the whole new-wave movement from the early 80s; there seemed a breadth of music I haven't heard since.
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I felt like the advent of digital synths in the late 70s and early 80s meant that people could make sounds that people hadn't put to music before. I loved the whole new-wave movement from the early 80s; there seemed a breadth of music I haven't heard since.
Dumas Walker wrote to THE MILLIONAIRE <=-
Life is too short to read bad books. Since I was always a good reader, I found
that:
1. English teachers have AWFUL taste in books.
2. Many "classics" simply do not translate well for today's society.
The good news is that I discovered many other "classic" books that are really good - Like Charles Alden Seltzer (Project Gutenberg) who writes really good westerns.
Well I found 1984 being 300 pages was a lot for what he trying to portray. 200 >would have been sufficient.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 16 2019 12:50 pm
I might not be happy with the way things are now, but I am not sure
there is a decade that I have lived through that I would want to go
back to, especially if I was that age again. My memories of most of
the 80's are not so fond. 1980 maybe. 1987 maybe. The rest of it I
think not.
I don't think it's a matter of time, but more of where your heart and m are during that time period. I guess in some situations there's more oportuni ty or the cultural scene may be different, however I think a l of it lies in nostalgia.
That's probably true. I think I had a fairly good childhood and have fond m
Nightfox
Well I found 1984 being 300 pages was a lot for what he trying to portray. >would have been sufficient.
Animal Farm was definately more concise than 1984.
Animal Farm was definately more concise than 1984.
if i recall correctly 1984 goes on a huge long tangent when explaining everything that's going on.
Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't think the classics in this context are supposed to be
culturally relevant. They are more or less a snapshot of the style of writing and the environment they were wrtten in.
Jack London's books painted a picture of Alaska and
Northern Canada befroe the gold rushes droves flocks of peopel up there
in search of gold.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
Sometimes I think the school district may have prevented them from choosing some books and leaving them with some yawners.
I am currently reading Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the Moon." Not
an American so I did not mention it or him before. :) He is very detailed, wich can be tedious at times, but I am enjoying it.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Dumas Walker to THE MILLIONAIRE on Wed Oct 16 2019 07:11 pm
Well I found 1984 being 300 pages was a lot for what he trying to portra >would have been sufficient.
Animal Farm was definately more concise than 1984.
if i recall correctly 1984 goes on a huge long tangent when explaining everything that's going on.
It's been awhile sonce I read it. I attribute it to the wrting style. I noticed quite a few writers in the past were very wordy. Stephen King is very wordy.
noticed quite a few writers in the past were very wordy. Stephen King is very wordy.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 02:41 pm
if he's on cocaine.
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Re: Re: American Classics
By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:38 pm
Stephen King? Who says he's evil?
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The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-
Stephen King? Who says he's evil?
Stephen King told Rolling Stone magazine 5 years ago that he
believes in evil.
And that makes *HIM* evil?
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Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
Seems like the trend to be wordy began to die of in the 1970's through
the 80's. Writers such as Clancy or Coonts are action oriented,
however still put down enough detail and atmisphere to make you feel
like you're where they are describing.
Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
It seemed like J. R. R. Tolkien was that way with Lord Of The Rings.
I'm sitting in an American Literature of the 19th Century course at the mome and it got me thinking - when you think of something that's an "American Classic", what's something that immediately springs to mind?
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 02:41 pm
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He's an evil man they say too.
Stephen King told Rolling Stone magazine 5 years ago that he believes in evil.
And that makes *HIM* evil?
Well look at his movies. They always involve evil in some way.
Well look at his movies. They always involve evil in some way.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 19 2019 08:32 am
And that makes *HIM* evil?
Well look at his movies. They always involve evil in some way.
Depicting evil doesn't mean he endorses evil. Some people just enjoy scary movies, but it doesn't mean they are evil.
Sometimes depicting evil can even be a way to show why you're against evil.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:38 pm
Stephen King? Who says he's evil?
Nightfox
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Well look at his movies. They always involve evil in some way.
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Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
It seemed like J. R. R. Tolkien was that way with Lord Of The Rings. I never read it, but I've heard it was fairly long with a lot of detail (which was why it was split into 3 movies when they made movies of it).
As popular as it apparently is, I never heard of Lord Of The Rings
until the first movie came out. I was never really into that genre though.
Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Have you seen any of the Left Behind movies (or read the books)? I've seen a few of the movies - Those involve evil but that doesn't make
them evil; they're actually pro-Christian movies.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 2019 12:35 pm
he does have a sick sexual side. one example is the underage sex orgy for IT. also i remember just some random thing in a book about a guy jacking off in a lady's underwear. im' not sure if that was tommyknockers
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Also had aliases like Richard Bachman. Why change his name for when everyone knows it's him anyways.
MRO wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Also had aliases like Richard Bachman. Why change his name for when everyone knows it's him anyways.
Yeah, Richard Bachman was the nom de plume he used when writing non-horror, because publishers always wanted the next Steven King Horror Best Seller.
He wrote "Different Seasons" as RB, which had, if memory serves, "Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption" and "The Body" (which became "Stand By Me").
It may have had Apt Pupil on it, a creepy story but not horror per se.
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MRO wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Also had aliases like Richard Bachman. Why change his name for when every knows it's him anyways.
Yeah, Richard Bachman was the nom de plume he used when writing non-horror,
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia may be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until it's gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has been preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret of eternal life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Industry on Earth.
That being said, I also believe nostalgia can sometimes cloud people's judgment. The 80s had a lot of really crappy movies and music too. You've got to take the good with the bad.
I know when I was a teenager and I was mad at the world, I thought everything sucked. But now I look back and say, "Hey, that wasn't so bad."
adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to look ba and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until it's gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has been preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret of eterna life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Industry on Earth.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 15 2019 01:47 pm
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia may adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to look ba and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until it's gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has been preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret of eterna life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Industry on Earth.
That being said, I also believe nostalgia can sometimes cloud people's judgment. The 80s had a lot of really crappy movies and music too. You've go to take the good with the bad.
I know when I was a teenager and I was mad at the world, I thought everythin sucked. But now I look back and say, "Hey, that wasn't so bad."
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia
may be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy
to look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't
always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know
what you have until it's gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has been preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret of eternal life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Industry on Earth.
That being said, I also believe nostalgia can sometimes cloud people's judgment. The 80s had a lot of really crappy movies and music too. You've got to take the good with the bad.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Sat Nov 23 2019 04:26 pm
adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy to look and feel like something was great, when we didn't always feel that w about it at the time. It's like you don't know what you have until i gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has been preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret of ete life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Industry on Earth
there is NO such thing truly preserving something that we went through and remember.
you were either there, or you weren't.
saving tshirts and tvshows or whatever isnt the same as being there.
it's not splendid; it's saving a shadow of its former self.
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Sat Nov 23 2019 04:26 pm
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia
may be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy
to look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't
always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know
what you have until it's gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has bee preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret of eternal life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Industr on Earth.
I was referring to the 80s time period being gone, as in we aren't living in d fond memories.
That being said, I also believe nostalgia can sometimes cloud people's judgment. The 80s had a lot of really crappy movies and music too. You' got to take the good with the bad.
Sometimes, there is music and movies I didn't like at the time, but now I mi
And there's some I liked and perhaps like even more now for some of its camp inger's epic mullet. :P
Nightfox
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Nightfox to Toadster on Sat Nov 23 2019 01:03 pm
Re: Re: American Classics
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Sat Nov 23 2019 04:26 pm
I think the 80s had a lot of great movies and music. But nostalgia
may be adding to the appeal these days. Sometimes I think it's easy
to look back and feel like something was great, when we didn't
always feel that way about it at the time. It's like you don't know
what you have until it's gone.
What do you mean, "gone?" Do you realize how much of that stuff has preserved in recordings and TV reruns? It's pretty much the secret o eternal life. Thus we have built up the most splendid Nostalgia Indu on Earth.
I was referring to the 80s time period being gone, as in we aren't living d fond memories.
That being said, I also believe nostalgia can sometimes cloud people judgment. The 80s had a lot of really crappy movies and music too. Y got to take the good with the bad.
Sometimes, there is music and movies I didn't like at the time, but now I
And there's some I liked and perhaps like even more now for some of its c inger's epic mullet. :P
Nightfox
I would go so far as to say alot of the 70s was epic...
I look at it like this, in the 90's and 2000's you have today's modern movie tough guy.
Back then you had Eastwood and Bronson.
Case Closed.
It is things like that which make the 70s and 80s probably the best 2 decade in the past 250 years.
Thanks,
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