• Classic Rock

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to RIPROD on Saturday, September 28, 2019 09:26:00
    Yep, just experienced this the other day in the car. Started up a Classic Rock >stream and heard Nirvana and other bands from the '90s. Got me thinking, the >"Classic Rock" stations will just continue absorbing music forever until they >encompass hundreds of years of music :)

    Where I lived in the 1990's, Nirvana was on the "classic rock" stations
    then, too. That is because there were no real alternative stations, and
    the stations that advertised as "classic rock" were really album-oriented
    rock stations... they played a lot of the classics, but they also played
    new rock music by both the "classic" bands and the new ones.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to DUMAS WALKER on Saturday, September 28, 2019 02:34:00
    Where I lived in the 1990's, Nirvana was on the "classic rock" stations then, too. That is because there were no real alternative stations, and
    the stations that advertised as "classic rock" were really album-oriented rock stations... they played a lot of the classics, but they also played
    new rock music by both the "classic" bands and the new ones.
    Classic rock is basically music 20-25 years old. I remember when I was a
    child in the late 80s and early 90s, 60s and 70s were the big element of classic rock.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MATTHEW MUNSON on Saturday, September 28, 2019 17:53:09
    Re: Classic Rock
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Sep 28 2019 02:34 am

    Classic rock is basically music 20-25 years old. I remember when I was a child in the late 80s and early 90s, 60s and 70s were the big element of classic rock.

    Are you sure about that? For instance, "classical" music has always been the same - The music created in (I think) the 1700s to early 1800s in the style they used at the time.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sunday, September 29, 2019 09:27:00
    Re: Classic Rock
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Sep 28 2019 02:34 am

    Where I lived in the 1990's, Nirvana was on the "classic rock" stations then, too. That is because there were no real alternative stations, and the stations that advertised as "classic rock" were really album-oriented rock stations... they played a lot of the classics, but they also played new rock music by both the "classic" bands and the new ones.
    Classic rock is basically music 20-25 years old. I remember when I was a child in the late 80s and early 90s, 60s and 70s were the big element of classic rock.




    Older music is "oldies." I define classic rock as songs do not sound dated, and would most likely be played or listened to well past the era they were recorded. Oldies are stuff that clearly is a piece from a period from time that doesn't have that timeless appeal a classic has. For example, how many times have you heard an AC/DC tune in a commercial, in a movie, or part of a song at a sporting event? What is different about that tune from the other music that came out of 1980, or whenever that song was recorded?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sunday, September 29, 2019 15:48:00
    Older music is "oldies." I define classic rock as songs do not sound dated, and would most likely be played or listened to well past the era they were recorded. Oldies are stuff that clearly is a piece from a period from time that doesn't have that timeless appeal a classic has. For example, how many times have you heard an AC/DC tune in a commercial, in a movie, or part of a song at a sporting event? What is different about that tune from the other music that came out of 1980, or whenever that song was recorded?

    Part of that has to do with the deals the band makes, too. Pete Townsend figured out that allowing songs by the Who to be used in commercial
    ventures made the band some cash. That is why a Who song was used for
    every theme song in the CSI: franchise. If the Who did not have that kind
    of deal, they'd have used a song by some other band or something a Hollywood song writer wrote specifically for them.

    Granted, if a band's music was crap, they are not likely to have such a
    deal.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Monday, September 30, 2019 00:43:00
    Re: Classic Rock
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Sep 29 2019 03:48 pm


    Granted, if a band's music was crap, they are not likely to have such a deal.


    Of those songs that are not crap, some don't get the same airplay or resonate the same as others. A classic transcends the time period it was written in, much as some older sports cars and muscle cars' designs are declared as classics, while other contemporary designs are just considered vintage.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 23:09:34
    Re: Really?
    By: Nightfox to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 28 2019 12:04:16

    For many things, that isn't really possible anymore. For instance, there are very few holocaust survivors still alive anymore, and once they all pass on, the only place people will be able to learn about the holocaust will be in books, online, and in history classes etc.

    True, Which is way it is so important that we get their stories recorded on video, so that they don't get lost. And while, yes, it is technically possible to edit a video recording, it is no where near as easy as re-writting a book and putting out a "Revised" edition.


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Riprod on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 23:24:02
    Re: Really?
    By: Riprod to Lupine Furmen on Sun Sep 29 2019 00:52:33

    Swift Developer????? "Swifties" are Taylor Swift fans.

    Yeah, I got that. Just a bad joke :)

    Ahh, ok. I thought maybe it was some other group using the same term for something completely unrelated. Something that is not all that uncommon. Just like totally dissimilar groups using the same accronyms.


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 23:27:25
    Re: Re: Really?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 28 2019 11:23:00

    My son is in high school, studying 19th century American history. I asked him if they're talking about current events, he said no.

    I wouldn't expect them to in THAT class since it is a class on 19th century. Discussion of current events would be completely off topic for that class. UNLESS it is discussed in a comparitive way.


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 23:48:23
    Re: Really?
    By: Nightfox to Capn Jax on Tue Oct 01 2019 09:19:12

    I'm not sure how they wouldn't know what dialing is.. Don't they put their friends' phone numbers in their contact list in their phone? Do they not realize what's happening when they call someone from their contact list?

    I'm not presuming to know what he meant, but to me "Dialing" means to actually use a "Dial" phone. I remember when I was in HS back in the early 80's, I was visiting some of my old teachers at the elementary school when a kid came into the office and asked to use the phone, the secretary put the phone up on the counter for him and the kid just stared at it because it was a rotary and not a push button and he had NO idea how to operate it.


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to MRO on Tuesday, October 01, 2019 23:57:17
    Re: Really?
    By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Oct 01 2019 16:06:45

    how the hell does that happen.
    did grown dudes go there to have a wank

    More than likely some kid that stole the mag from his dad or a store and went out in the woods or any place secluded in order to have a wank. :P

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Lupine Furmen on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 09:36:22
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:09 pm

    True, Which is way it is so important that we get their stories recorded on video, so that they don't get lost. And while, yes, it is technically possible to edit a video recording, it is no where near as easy as re-writting a book and putting out a "Revised" edition.

    Have you seen the "deepfake" videos and such technology lately? It seems it's becoming very easy to edit a video recording of someone to make it look like they said something else. Even their movements on video can be changed with the software they have these days. The technology is able to track movements of someone's face in real time and apply their movements to a previously recorded video of someone, and also record someone talking and change the voice so it sounds like the voice of the person in the video.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 21:18:00
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Nightfox to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 09:36 am

    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:09 pm

    True, Which is way it is so important that we get their stories recorde on video, so that they don't get lost. And while, yes, it is technicall possible to edit a video recording, it is no where near as easy as re-writting a book and putting out a "Revised" edition.

    Have you seen the "deepfake" videos and such technology lately? It seems it e these days. The technology is able to track movements of someone's face i
    the video.

    Nightfox

    The inventor of the deepfake technology is working on a way to detect altered video. He created the technology so actors could protray historic characters in museum displays, and have their faces replaced by the real people

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Nightfox on Thursday, October 03, 2019 01:26:50
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Nightfox to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 09:36:22

    Have you seen the "deepfake" videos and such technology lately? It seems it's becoming very easy to edit a video recording of someone to make it look like they said something else. Even their movements on video can be changed with the software they have these days. The technology is able to track movements of someone's face in real time and apply their movements to a previously recorded video of someone, and also record someone talking and change the voice so it sounds like the voice of the person in the video.

    Ok Fox, you're scaring me now. That is some serious Big Brother and Illuminaty type stuff right there.


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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Moondog on Thursday, October 03, 2019 01:46:08
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed Oct 02 2019 21:18:00

    Have you seen the "deepfake" videos and such technology lately? It seems it e these days. The technology is able to track movements of someone's face i
    the video.

    Nightfox

    The inventor of the deepfake technology is working on a way to detect altered video. He created the technology so actors could protray historic characters in museum displays, and have their faces replaced by the real people

    As happens far to often, something that was created for good a valid use has gotten perverted by those wishing to do harm.

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, October 03, 2019 08:40:09
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Oct 03 2019 01:26:50

    Have you seen the "deepfake" videos and such technology lately? It seems it's becoming very easy to edit a video recording of someone to make it look like they said something else. Even their movements on video can be
    changed with the software they have these days. The technology is able to track movements of someone's face in real time and apply their movements to a previously recorded video of someone, and also record someone
    talking and change the voice so it sounds like the voice of the person in the video.

    Ok Fox, you're scaring me now. That is some serious Big Brother and Illuminaty type stuff right there.

    if you're just now hearing about the deepfake stuff, one had to wonder where you've been for the last six months or so... anyway, here's a peek if you're interested...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QvIX3cY4lc

    https://www.creativebloq.com/features/deepfake-examples

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2019/aug/13/deepfake-shows-bill-hader-morph-into-tom-cruise-in-cbs-interview-video

    https://tinyurl.com/y2s6poxg this is a tinyurl for the one above...



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Thursday, October 03, 2019 09:36:09
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed Oct 02 2019 09:18 pm

    The inventor of the deepfake technology is working on a way to detect altered video. He created the technology so actors could protray historic characters in museum displays, and have their faces replaced by the real people

    I saw a demo video that was posted online, and I'm not sure if it's from the same person who invented deepfake technology, but they were doing a demo of how they could mimic someone's voice and make themselves look like someone else in a video (or perhaps alter an existing video to make someone look like they're saying something else). I seem to remember them using a US president in their demo, perhaps Barack Obama or George W Bush (I don't remember offhand). It was an interesting demo, but also scary that people can make fake videos like that these days.

    Nightfox

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Lupine Furmen on Thursday, October 03, 2019 10:29:12
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Oct 03 2019 01:26 am

    Have you seen the "deepfake" videos and such technology lately? It seems it's becoming very easy to edit a video recording of someone to make it look like they said something else. Even their movements on video can be changed with the software they have these days. The technology is able to track movements of someone's face in real time and apply their movements to a previously recorded video of someone, and also record someone talking and change the voice so it sounds like the voice of the person in the video.

    Ok Fox, you're scaring me now. That is some serious Big Brother and Illuminaty type stuff right there.

    Just wait until the technology is used to wrongly convict someone.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to echto on Thursday, October 03, 2019 22:39:00
    Re: Survivors (was: Really?)
    By: echto to Lupine Furmen on Thu Oct 03 2019 10:29 am



    Just wait until the technology is used to wrongly convict someone.


    That is why tools are being designed to detect doctored video. From an entertainment view, imagine teaming up actors from differnt film eras in the same film, and they look like they belong there! Of course, voice acting and proper puppetry techniques will be necessary to make it all look convincing.

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  • From Zoohouse@VERT to MATTHEW MUNSON on Friday, October 18, 2019 17:59:00
    MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-

    Classic rock is basically music 20-25 years old. I remember when I was
    a child in the late 80s and early 90s, 60s and 70s were the big element
    of classic rock.

    My wife and I had this conversation a few weeks ago. Like you, I remember when my local classical music station played 60's music. Now when I turn to the same station they are playing The Cranberries. Soon they will be playing Britney Spears
    I'm sure!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Zoohouse on Friday, October 18, 2019 22:24:38
    Re: Re: Classic Rock
    By: Zoohouse to MATTHEW MUNSON on Fri Oct 18 2019 05:59 pm

    My wife and I had this conversation a few weeks ago. Like you, I remember when my local classical music station played 60's music. Now when I turn to the same station they are playing The Cranberries. Soon they will be playing Britney Spears
    I'm sure!

    That's not Classic Rock to me. But what about bands like Boyz II Men, The Backstreet Boys, etc.? I'm not sure if classic rock stations are playing those bands.

    Nightfox

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  • From Zoohouse@VERT to Nightfox on Saturday, October 19, 2019 16:01:00
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    Re: Re: Classic Rock
    By: Zoohouse to MATTHEW MUNSON on Fri Oct 18 2019 05:59 pm

    My wife and I had this conversation a few weeks ago. Like you, I remember when my local classical music station played 60's music. Now when I turn to the same station they are playing The Cranberries. Soon they will be playing Britney Spears
    I'm sure!

    That's not Classic Rock to me. But what about bands like Boyz II Men,
    The Backstreet Boys, etc.? I'm not sure if classic rock stations are playing those bands.

    Nightfox

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    Ah, sorry. No, it's not classic rock. I deviated from the topic slightly
    to a oldies station.

    The classic rock in my area is playing Nirvana and other
    late 80's - 90's artists as well.

    -Zoo

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Zoohouse on Saturday, October 19, 2019 14:13:44
    Ah, sorry. No, it's not classic rock. I deviated from the topic slightly
    to a oldies station.

    The classic rock in my area is playing Nirvana and other
    late 80's - 90's artists as well.

    -Zoo

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    Fav song from them is Smells Like Teen Spirit.

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