There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
I don't know about not knowing at all, but the kids that are reaching
voting age today were not alive when it happened. The ones that have been
Pretty soon it will be something that us "old people" are paranoid about.
Re: Really?
By: Dumas Walker to PPARKER on Sun Sep 22 2019 10:39 am
I don't know about not knowing at all, but the kids that are reaching voting age today were not alive when it happened. The ones that have bee
Pretty soon it will be something that us "old people" are paranoid about.
Yea...bombing oil fields in Saudia Arabia is paranoia.
Pretty soon it will be something that us "old people" are paranoid about.
Yea...bombing oil fields in Saudia Arabia is paranoia.
well, different people and different situation
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
Re: Really?
By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Sep 22 2019 06:18 pm
Pretty soon it will be something that us "old people" are paranoid about.
well, different people and different situation
How so? Terrorism is Terrorism no matter how many excuses are made.
this guy was saying that 911 will be forgotten and we will be paranoid about it
happening again
this guy was saying that 911 will be forgotten and we will be paranoid about it happening again
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
Re: Really?
By: HusTler to MRO on Mon Sep 23 2019 08:05 am
Re: Really?
By: MRO to HusTler on Sun Sep 22 2019 06:18 pm
Pretty soon it will be something that us "old people" are parano about.
this guy was saying that 911 will be forgotten and we will be paranoid about happening againForgetting would be the worst thing to do. After 9/11, a hijacking with box cutters or small knives would no longer be effective, since the TSA watches items mcuh closer, plus people are less afraid to rush a guy with a knife if they fear they're going to die otherwise. The government agencies are also watching better for signs that bad things are to happen. If we get relaxed
well, different people and different situation
How so? Terrorism is Terrorism no matter how many excuses are made.
nobody's making excuses.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to HusTler on Mon Sep 23 2019 04:23 pm
this guy was saying that 911 will be forgotten and we will be paranoid about it happening again
We haven't forgotten WWI or WWII the Korean War Vietnam Iraq wars the holico I doubt we will forget 911 any time soon.
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
There are adults who were not born when 9/11 happened. I was 22 years
old when that happened.
Re: Really?
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to PPARKER on Sun Sep 22 2019 07:46 am
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
There are adults who were not born when 9/11 happened. I was 22 years old when that happened.
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn about
Nightfox
Re: Really?
By: MRO to HusTler on Mon Sep 23 2019 04:23 pm
this guy was saying that 911 will be forgotten and we will be paranoid about it happening again
We haven't forgotten WWI or WWII the Korean War Vietnam Iraq wars the holico I doubt we will forget 911 any time soon.
Forgetting would be the worst thing to do. After 9/11, a hijacking with box cutters or small knives would no longer be effective, since the TSA watches items mcuh closer, plus people are less afraid to rush a guy with a knife if
items mcuh closer, plus people are less afraid to rush a guy with a knife if they fear they're going to die otherwise. The government agencies are also watching better for signs that bad things are to happen. If we get relaxed or forget, we'll allow new attacks.
if everyone was an individual, a few people would have got cut and the attackers would have been subdued.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Sep 24 2019 10:40 pm
if everyone was an individual, a few people would have got cut and the attackers would have been subdued.
This time people will fight back. They learned from the past and won't let that happen again regardless what gets past the TSA
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn about it
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn abou it
They can learn about it, but I somehow think the conclusions drawn are different. Like, they can be told what life was like before 9/11 but they did not experience it. Similarly, I learned about the Great Depression in school, so I know what it is but I don't really know what it was like to live through it. I can only imagine.
live through it. I can only imagine.
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn abou
They can learn about it, but I somehow think the conclusions drawn are different. Like, they can be told what life was like before 9/11 but they did not experience it. Similarly, I learned about the Great Depression in school, so I know what it is but I don't really know what it was like to live through it. I can only imagine.
7 or 8 years ago my neice needed a ride home after school, so I was asked to p icker her and a friend up. I was playing whatever the classic rock station was, and her friend mentioned how much she liked old music from the 1990's from before she grew up. Reminded me of when I was in my teens, I liked the current music to a degree, but really liked some stuff from the 60's and 70's. Funny thing is of the music we hear on the classic or
music that made it's way to the charts. By the same note, what we see on news shows and documentaries are an editor or historian's view, and not necessarily the complete picture.
she saw the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show. Still hard to believe kids went that crazy over them at the time.
There are adults who were not born when 9/11 happened. I was 22 years old when that happened.
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn about it.
This time people will fight back. They learned from the past and won't let
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn
about it.
Learning about something is not the same as experiencing it.
Re: Really?
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 25 2019 09:37:00
This time people will fight back. They learned from the past and won't l
Actually, it has been recently proven that they DON'T learn from the past, that's why we have a clone of Hitler in the White House.
Re: Really?
By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Thu Sep 26 2019 01:44 pm
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn
about it.
Learning about something is not the same as experiencing it.
True, but my thought was that things like 9/11 and other tragedies shouldn't forgotten.
Re: Really?
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 26 2019 09:44 am
7 or 8 years ago my neice needed a ride home after school, so I was ask to p icker her and a friend up. I was playing whatever the classic rock station was, and her friend mentioned how much she liked old music from the 1990's from before she grew up. Reminded me of when I was in my tee I liked the current music to a degree, but really liked some stuff from the 60's and 70's. Funny thing is of the music we hear on the classic o
I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and in the 80s, I listened to a local pop musi I started listening mainly to a classic rock station. I already liked class king, Nirvana is grunge/alternative music from the 90s, it's not classic roc
Nightfox
True, but my thought was that things like 9/11 and other tragedies
shouldn't forgotten.
these kids read them about it in books and online. they dont form their own opinion on it. they dont have their own experience.
Actually, it has been recently proven that they DON'T learn from the past, that's why we have a clone of Hitler in the White House.
I remember the oldies station playing 1950's and 60's music. One weekend I was flipping through the stations in my car, and the "oldies" they are playing is early 80's new wave pop, the synth heavy stuff.
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn about it.
Learning about something is not the same as experiencing it.
Learning about something is not the same as experiencing it.
True. Do the kids even have history classes these days? What do they teach them?
Re: Really?
By: Lupine Furmen to Moondog on Thu Sep 26 2019 01:50 pm
Actually, it has been recently proven that they DON'T learn from the pa that's why we have a clone of Hitler in the White House.
Wow really? do you even know who hitler was or what he did?
to compare our President to a tyrant like hitler is intellectually dishonest
as far as Trump goes we did learn from our mistakes, thats why we voted in a non politian to fight for us and give our voices back.
70s, and those bands' music from the 80s). Several years ago, I was surprised to hear that classic rock station playing Nirvana.. I was thinking, Nirvana is grunge/alternative music from the 90s, it's not classic rock.. :P
Modern day equivelent: Beliebers, Swifties
Yep, just experienced this the other day in the car. Started up a Classic Rock stream and heard Nirvana and other bands from the '90s. Got me thinking, the "Classic Rock" stations will just continue absorbing music forever until they encompass hundreds of years of music :)
that's a very offensive statement. my family had to lose everything to escape the nazis. some family members who stayed behind behind weren't heard from again.
donald trump didnt enact a holocaust. he just took this country out of economic disaster.
these kids read them about it in books and online. they dont form their own opinion on it. they dont have their own experience.
I don't think there's much we can do about that. There were a lot of tragedies that happened before any of us were even born, but we still learn about them in school, books, online, etc.. That's just how it goes.
Wow really? do you even know who hitler was or what he did?
to compare our President to a tyrant like hitler is intellectually dishonest on your part.
Trump is doing a great job in spite of opposition from both the left and the far right.
as far as Trump goes we did learn from our mistakes, thats why we voted in a non politian to fight for us and give our voices back.
True. Do the kids even have history classes these days? What do they teach them?
Hey, as a primarily Swift developer I take issue with being grouped into this :)
as far as Trump goes we did learn from our mistakes, thats why we
voted in a non politian to fight for us and give our voices back.
We?
that's a very offensive statement. my family had to lose everything to
escape the nazis. some family members who stayed behind behind weren't
heard from again.
donald trump didnt enact a holocaust. he just took this country out
of economic disaster.
It was not my intention to be offensive, just to make a comparison. And the comparisons between the two of them if way to frightening to ignore. Don't forget the Trump DID establish concentration camps on the southern border of the US and seperated children from their parents. He's wanting to waste money on a completely useless wall.
Wow really? do you even know who hitler was or what he did?
to compare our President to a tyrant like hitler is intellectually
dishonest on your part.
Trump is doing a great job in spite of opposition from both the left
and the far right.
You want to pull your head out of the sand and open your eyes. He has turned this nation into the laughing stock of the world. He IS a tyrant! Just look what he did on our southern border with his concentration camps and taking children away from their parents and housing them in conditions that are worse then what's found in our prison system.
Re: Really?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Thu Sep 26 2019 06:51 pm
I remember the oldies station playing 1950's and 60's music. One weeken was flipping through the stations in my car, and the "oldies" they are playing is early 80's new wave pop, the synth heavy stuff.
New wave on an oldies station? That's an oxymoron..
Nightfox
Re: Really?
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Sep 26 2019 09:48 am
70s, and those bands' music from the 80s). Several years ago, I was surprised to hear that classic rock station playing Nirvana.. I was thinking, Nirvana is grunge/alternative music from the 90s, it's not classic rock.. :P
Yep, just experienced this the other day in the car. Started up a Classic Ro stream and heard Nirvana and other bands from the '90s. Got me thinking, the "Classic Rock" stations will just continue absorbing music forever until the encompass hundreds of years of music :)
the US and seperated children from their parents. He's wanting to waste money on a completely useless wall.
Wow really? do you even know who hitler was or what he did?We have no voice. and he's nothing but a liar. It is VERY rarely that he utters a factual statement. Just look at transcripts of his speeches and
to compare our President to a tyrant like hitler is intellectually dishonest on your part.
Trump is doing a great job in spite of opposition from both the left and the far right.
you say it's a useless wall, I say it will help prevent the 90% of drug's that pour over our boarders everday and cut way down on human trafficking and Illeagle boarder crossings.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Lupine Furmen on Thu Sep 26 2019 21:36:35
that's a very offensive statement. my family had to lose everything to escape the nazis. some family members who stayed behind behind weren't he from again.
donald trump didnt enact a holocaust. he just took this country out of economic disaster.
It was not my intention to be offensive, just to make a comparison. And the comparisons between the two of them if way to frightening to ignore. Don't forget the Trump DID establish concentration camps on the southern border of the US and seperated children from their parents. He's wanting to waste mone on a completely useless wall.
My condolences to you and your family, and I'm thankfull that you were able escape that monster.
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No, some of the radical Dem's have turned our Nation into a lawless free for all.
Look at all the lies the Dem's are pushing like Russia Collusion lie. you're doing what most Dem's do, instead of researching and looking at the facts, you go along like lemmings off a cliff and buy into everything your party leaders tell you to believe.
You probably watch CNN with religous ferver.
Trump btw actually stopped the seperation of children from families at the boarder, seperation actually had it's start in the Bush then Obama administrations.
anyway I'm not going to keep responding to you because you have no clue to what is true.
If you can't at least do some honest research and seperate fact's from fict then there is no point in me playing your game.
seriously, anybody who throws around comparing hitler to anybody should get their ass kicked. truly ignorant statement.
over 11 million people died in horrible ways in the holocaust.
to compare trump to hitler because his side lost in the election is pathetic.
comparisons between the two of them if way to frightening to ignore. Don't forget the Trump DID establish concentration camps on the southern border of the US and seperated children from their parents.
You want to pull your head out of the sand and open your eyes. He has turned >this nation into the laughing stock of the world. He IS a tyrant! Just look >what he did on our southern border with his concentration camps and taking >children away from their parents and housing them in conditions that are worse >then what's found in our prison system.
We have no voice. and he's nothing but a liar. It is VERY rarely that he utters
a factual statement. Just look at transcripts of his speeches and check them >for yourself. Hell, he even swears that he didn't do something when there is >video and historical records that PROVE that he did a thing.
We?
Yes "WE" as in majority.
Now you're going to say but he lost the popular vote right?
donald trump didnt enact a holocaust. he just took this country out of economic disaster.
It was not my intention to be offensive, just to make a comparison. And the
My condolences to you and your family, and I'm thankfull that you were able escape that monster.
this nation into the laughing stock of the world. He IS a tyrant! Just look what he did on our southern border with his concentration camps and taking
and the people be damned. All the proof you need is in Flint Mich. They want
Re: Really?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Fri Sep 27 2019 01:56 pm
as far as Trump goes we did learn from our mistakes, thats why we
voted in a non politian to fight for us and give our voices back.
We?
Yes "WE" as in majority.
Now you're going to say but he lost the popular vote right?
Illeagle boarder crossings.
Just a few short years ago Hillary Clinton, Chuck Shcumer, Barrock Obama, Nancy Pelosi and many others were all for the "WALL" at our southern boarder
All Politicians are Liars. It's what they do. It's a pissing contest to fi the winner. Focusing on another politians dirty laundry is the American way. Then we have the Media that is hell bent on tearing Americans a part. If you don't like our President find one you like and get him/her elected. Mean tim have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by the American people.
While I enjoy active debate, it begins to go downhill when either party resorts to ad honinem, or personal attacks. According to Plato, this is whe
The best thing the schools can do is to find people that are still alive that can give the kids a first hand telling of what happened rather than them learning about the events from some book that only tells the story from the perspective of the victor. Remember; History is written by the victor, so what you read in books is always heavily squed (sp?).
the US and seperated children from their parents. He's wanting to
waste money on a completely useless wall.
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
Re: Really?
By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 28 2019 08:24 am
the US and seperated children from their parents. He's wanting to
waste money on a completely useless wall.
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
I don't think the wall is totally useless, but I think there are other ways people from Mexico might be able to get into the US. I could imagine there might be "unofficial" boats and airplanes available to bring them into the U that would bypass the wall.
Re: Really?
By: Denn to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 28 2019 01:00 am
you say it's a useless wall, I say it will help prevent the 90% of drug that pour over our boarders everday and cut way down on human trafficki and Illeagle boarder crossings.
It's a useless wall. 90% of the drugs that come to this country come via po
DaiTengu
... Never try to out-stubborn a cat.
comparisons between the two of them if way to frightening to ignore. Don't forget the Trump DID establish concentration camps on the southern border the US and seperated children from their parents.
Just as a historical point, so did FDR but I have never heard anyone
compare him to Hitler.
Should they though? For instance, when people say "classical music", that usually means older music written several hundred years ago in that typical style. Similarly, for me, I always thought of "classic rock" as rock music from the 1960s to maybe the mid-80s or so.
Swift Developer????? "Swifties" are Taylor Swift fans.
Lupine Furmen wrote to Nightfox <=-
The best thing the schools can do is to find people that are still
alive that can give the kids a first hand telling of what happened
rather than them learning about the events from some book that only
tells the story from the perspective of the victor.
Lupine Furmen wrote to HusTler <=-
I have no idea, but it's sure not what we were taught as kids. They
REALLY need to bring civics classes back.
Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
as far as Trump goes we did learn from our mistakes, thats why we
voted in a non politian to fight for us and give our voices back.
We?
Yes "WE" as in majority.
Now you're going to say but he lost the popular vote right?
HusTler wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
Yes "WE" as in majority.
Now you're going to say but he lost the popular vote right?
The states electoral delegates vote for the President, so the fact that he lost the popular vote is irrelevant. Remeber, before the election, Hillary supporters thought that he might win the popular but that she'd carry the electoral. They were fine about that fact then... even joked about it in the press.
Illeagle boarder crossings.
Just a few short years ago Hillary Clinton, Chuck Shcumer, Barrock
Obama, Nancy Pelosi and many others were all for the "WALL" at our
southern boarder
presidents have had studies that we need a stronger border for the past 30+ years. democrat or republican, it has always been proven that out border and imigration policies need retooling.
All Politicians are Liars. It's what they do. It's a pissing contest to
i voted for obama once because i liked what he had to say. he didnt do one damn thing he promised and our country went to shit. i was laid off for the first time in my life.
trump does the things he says and people still complain. atleast trump has shown that a non politician can get in office and be strong enough to beat back the bullshit and get some things done.
I don't think the wall is totally useless, but I think there are other ways people from Mexico might be able to get into the US. I could imagine there might be "unofficial" boats and airplanes available to bring them into the US that would bypass the wall.
Lupine Furmen wrote to Nightfox <=-
The best thing the schools can do is to find people that are still alive that can give the kids a first hand telling of what happened rather than them learning about the events from some book that only tells the story from the perspective of the victor.
I'm thinking more and more about that as WWII veterans are getting to be fewer and fewer.
HusTler wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
To quote Janet Napolitano, you show me a 50-foot wall, and I'll show you a 51-foot ladder.
As former Secretary of Homeland Security, I think that comment has some weight, don't you?
... Would you like to wake up from this dream?
onto the next generation. Imagine being a teenage kid and getting to volunteer to learn something that's not taught any more by people who spent a lifetime dedicated to it.
Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
as far as Trump goes we did learn from our mistakes, thats why we
voted in a non politian to fight for us and give our voices back.
We?
Yes "WE" as in majority.
Now you're going to say but he lost the popular vote right?
Ok, Sure - what's your next move?
HusTler wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
To quote Janet Napolitano, you show me a 50-foot wall, and I'll show you a 51-foot ladder.
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't?
Perhaps you can enlighten us?
To quote Janet Napolitano, you show me a 50-foot wall, and I'll show you a 51-foot ladder.
As former Secretary of Homeland Security, I think that comment has some weight, don't you?
anybody with a brain voted for trump. anybody who voted for hillary needs toI am likely voting for Trump in California even though the Electoral
have their brain scanned. people that vote for other parties were throwing away their vote.
anybody with a brain voted for trump. anybody who voted for hillary need to
have their brain scanned. people that vote for other parties were throwi away their vote.
I am likely voting for Trump in California even though the Electoral
College my vote does not matter much.
Libertarian candidates are jokes this cycle and the 20 Democrats are
clowns.
Re: Really?
By: Nightfox to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Sep 24 2019 09:42 am
Re: Really?
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to PPARKER on Sun Sep 22 2019 07:46 am
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
There are adults who were not born when 9/11 happened. I was 22 year old when that happened.
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn ab
Nightfox
Learning about something doesn't have the same impact as experiencing it. M mother would say the same to me about JFK's assasination, or the first time she saw the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show. Still hard to believe kids wen that crazy over them at the time.
What is more shocking to me is there are whole generations of kids now who have no idea what a payphone was.
Remember CHORES?
You actually made plans with friends and met in fields to build forts with stuff you stole from your dad... Or to play games of football and baseball with random kids you might not even know?
What is more shocking to me is there are whole generations of kids now who have no idea what a payphone was.Was? I still occasionally see pay phones every so often - though they are rare. Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised how rare they are these days. What if someone doesn't happen to have their cell
phone (or their phone battery is dead) and they need to make a phone call?
Remember CHORES?Kids don't have chores anymore? How do kids learn responsibility without chores?
You actually made plans with friends and met in fields to build forts with stuff you stole from your dad... Or to play games of football and baseball with random kids you might not even know?Yep. I'd be a bit disappointed if kids don't do that kind of thing anymore.. Though as far as games, kids often play video games online with random kids they don't know.
What is more shocking to me is there are whole generations of kids now have no idea what a payphone was.
Was? I still occasionally see pay phones every so often - though they are rare. Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised how rare they are these days. What if someone doesn't happen to have their cell phone (or their pho
Re: Really?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Sep 24 2019 08:06 pm
Re: Really?
By: Nightfox to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Sep 24 2019 09:42 am
Re: Really?
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to PPARKER on Sun Sep 22 2019 07:46 am
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
There are adults who were not born when 9/11 happened. I was 22 y old when that happened.
Even if someone wasn't born yet when it happened, they can still learn
Nightfox
Learning about something doesn't have the same impact as experiencing it. mother would say the same to me about JFK's assasination, or the first ti she saw the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show. Still hard to believe kids that crazy over them at the time.
What is more shocking to me is there are whole generations of kids now who h no idea what a payphone was.
Or what it was like to leave your house with a dime in your shoe in case of emergency, and be gone ALL DAY miles from home on a BMX bike.
Remember CHORES?
Remember when you were like 10 and had to babysit your younger brother or sister? And all you had was a corded rotary phone with 911 and maybe a neighbor's number?
You actually had to go next door and knock on the door for help from an adul
You actually walked to/from school.
You actually made plans with friends and met in fields to build forts with stuff you stole from your dad... Or to play games of football and baseball w random kids you might not even know?
Kids today have no clue how priveledged they are. And they talk about how ba things in America are while they sip their $8 coffees in coffee shops using FREE wifi on their $2000 MacPros... unemployed.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
Re: Really?
By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Mon Sep 30 2019 02:27 pm
What is more shocking to me is there are whole generations of kids now have no idea what a payphone was.
Was? I still occasionally see pay phones every so often - though they are r need to make a phone call?
Remember CHORES?
Kids don't have chores anymore? How do kids learn responsibility without ch
You actually made plans with friends and met in fields to build forts w stuff you stole from your dad... Or to play games of football and baseb with random kids you might not even know?
Yep. I'd be a bit disappointed if kids don't do that kind of thing anymore.
Nightfox
Not only don't kids today remeber corded phones they don't know what "dialing" is. Older movies with people in phone booths freak them out. Employed or unemployed they all deserve smart phones for their mental health.
i think it's time for more non politicians to run. also i think the news med needs to be put in its place. the media is trying to control everyone.
i drive across half country every year and i have not seen one pay phone on the
way except for at truck stops. i drive from se wisconsin to chicago to washington dc
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope swings in the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a half pack of smokes and a nasty adult mag?
Cell phones and internet have ruined so many time-honored traditions.
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope swings i the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a half pack of smoke and a nasty adult mag?
Re: Really?
By: MRO to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Sep 29 2019 20:21:03
i think it's time for more non politicians to run. also i think the news needs to be put in its place. the media is trying to control everyone.
How would you like to see the news media put in its place?
Trump is a President this country needed badly. I'm getting tired of the left wing demococrats wasting time trying to impeach him. All this wasted time could be used passing bills that could help our country.
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope swings i the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a half pack of smoke and a nasty adult mag?
Cell phones and internet have ruined so many time-honored traditions.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope
swings i the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a
half pack of smoke and a nasty adult mag?
been there.
how the hell does that happen.
did grown dudes go there to have a wank
I'm with you on this. I wasn't a supporter initially. I'm not a liberal or a republican. However, looking back, I feel like the country definitely needed him. My reasons may not be the best, I admit, but he has my support mainly because of how the left is reacting (like comparing Trump to Hitler. How ca that comparison even be made???). He definitely has my support in 2020.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Oct 01 2019 04:06 pm
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope
swings i the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a
half pack of smoke and a nasty adult mag?
been there.
how the hell does that happen.
did grown dudes go there to have a wank
I don't know, but I was at a friend's apartment complex one time a long time ago and we saw a condom sitting next to a tree outside..
I'm with you on this. I wasn't a supporter initially. I'm not a liberal or a republican. However, looking back, I feel like the country definitely needed him. My reasons may not be the best, I admit, but he has my support mainly because of how the left is reacting (like comparing Trump to Hitler. How ca that comparison even be made???). He definitely has my support in 2020.
On 09-30-19 21:44, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i drive across half country every year and i have not seen one pay
phone on the
way except for at truck stops. i drive from se wisconsin to chicago
to washington dc
On 10-01-19 09:19, Nightfox wrote to Capn Jax <=-
I'm not sure how they wouldn't know what dialing is.. Don't they put their friends' phone numbers in their contact list in their phone? Do they not realize what's happening when they call someone from their contact list?
On 10-01-19 09:52, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
There's a grocery store near where I live that had a couple pay phones outside, but just a few months ago I noticed they were gone.
On 10-01-19 13:32, Moondog wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-
My nephew saw an old rotary phone, and asked how people texted on it.
I told him we had pagers. He was born in 99, and by the time he was
old enough to remember much, I think the Alpha pagers were being phased out for flip phones. I told him once upon a time phone calls were over
a dollar a minuter on a cell phone, and only doctors and drug dealers
had them. Same with pagers. It's funny to watch old TV shows such as Perry Mason, and he asks the home owner if he could call his office
from their phone. The other funny thing is when he leaves the office,
he tells hissecretary where he's going so she can call him at that person's extension.
Back to the rotary phone. I received a laptop from work in 1990, and
the phone system in my area was still pulse dialing. To get the modem
to work, I had to change the dialing string from tone to pulse, then
place a 1 minute wait time in Procomm Plus so it wouldn't hang up while waiting for the number to dial and pick up. The first site I ever
dialed was for a site call HUG-ZUG, the Heath\ Zenith user's group.
This is the number we used to test laptops, plus had postings for
surplus or returned product sales. There was also a classifed ads area for folks who liked horse trading Heath/ Zenith items. It was long distance, so I only got on for 5-10 minutes a day to check messages
I'm with you on this. I wasn't a supporter initially. I'm not ain the very least, it shows that we can get an outsider into the presidency and we can get some changes. democrats and republicans hate him because he is not like them. they keep us as slaves and play their stupid games until they are out of office. real changes never get accomplished.
liberal or a republican. However, looking back, I feel like the
someone becomes president and has a drive and cant be bought and they hate it. media tries bullshit and he kicks them out of the room. nothing like that happened before and it blew their mind. grab the pussy and all that shit didnt work.
trump isnt a pussy and they hate it.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Sep 29 2019 20:21:03
i think it's time for more non politicians to run. also i think the news needs to be put in its place. the media is trying to control everyone.
How would you like to see the news media put in its place?
-Ben
Moondog wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-
waiting for the number to dial and pick up. The first site I ever
dialed was for a site call HUG-ZUG, the Heath\ Zenith user's group.
This is the number we used to test laptops,
On 09-30-19 21:44, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i drive across half country every year and i have not seen one pay phone on the
way except for at truck stops. i drive from se wisconsin to chicago to washington dc
There's still a few around town here. Not a lot, but I could get to them if needed to use one for some reason.
Not sure I want to mess with freedom of speech, however I might recommend better fact finding and research go into reporting, plus full disclosure of redactions and editorial corrections, like most newspapers do. I'd rather see the media police themselves than have government get their hands on anything.
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
Mean time have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by the American people.
to have their brain scanned. people that vote for other parties were throwing away their vote.
There's always more than one way. we do need an effective border, regardless. and immigration reform. we need a way to get these hardworkers to become tax paying american citizens with the protections that americans have.
I'm sick of illegal mexican immigrants being used as political pawns and worker slaves.
just being a resident alien is a pain in the ass. it can take a whole year to get a greencard renewed and in that time you cant really get a drivers license renewed or hold a job.
The states electoral delegates vote for the President, so the fact that he lost the popular vote is irrelevant. Remeber, before the election, Hillary supporters thought that he might win the popular but that she'd carry the electoral. They were fine about that fact then... even joked about it in the press.
and depending on how you look at it, it could be said that Hillary lost the popular vote, each state gets a certain amount of electorates, so if you look at it from a state by state point of view Trump won many more elctorates than Hillary.
thank goodness our founding fathers implemented the electoral college.
I have heard both Democrats and Republicans say we should get rid of the electoral college after their side lost.
I'm with you on this. I wasn't a supporter initially. I'm not a liberal or a republican. However, looking back, I feel like the country definitely needed him. My reasons may not be the best, I admit, but he has my support mainly because of how the left is reacting (like comparing Trump to Hitler. How can that comparison even be made???). He definitely has my support in 2020.
Trump is a President this country needed badly. I'm getting tired of the left wing demococrats wasting time trying to impeach him. All this wasted time could be used passing bills that could help our country.
Mean time have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by the American people.
But that's just it. was was NOT elected by the American people. He was place into power by an antiquated system that should have been abolished DECADES a
With todays speed of communication there is absolutely NO reason for the electoral college.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Denn on Sat Sep 28 2019 13:14:35
to have their brain scanned. people that vote for other parties were throwing away their vote.
Everybody who casts a vote period is throwing it away because the poplar vot doesn't mean a damn thing, the Electoral College is who decides the presiden not the people.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Sep 28 2019 14:49:06
There's always more than one way. we do need an effective border, regardless. and immigration reform. we need a way to get these hardworker to become tax paying american citizens with the protections that american have.
The vast majority of them ARE paying taxes. Unless they are getting paid und
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
The wall is useless because the cartells already have tunels dug under the area where the wall is going.
Mean time have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by the American people.
But that's just it. was was NOT elected by the American people. He was placed into power by an antiquated system that should have been abolished DECADES ago.
With todays speed of communication there is absolutely NO reason for the electoral college.
Lupine Furmen wrote to HusTler <=-
Mean time have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by the American people.
But that's just it. was was NOT elected by the American people.
He was placed into power by an antiquated system that should have
been abolished DECADES ago.
With todays speed of communication there is absolutely NO reason
for the electoral college.
we had a black candidate who backed down because he took a lady
out to a late dinner and asked her if she wanted to go to his place and she spoke about it.
trump isnt a pussy and they hate it.
out whole lives are being controlled by rich white men who control the media controlling what people think is the biggest power you can get. money only g you so far.
i get that people are fucking in the woods. but why does someone transport a
magazine all the way out there in the woods.
maybe they know kids will find it. i dunno.
I carry an alphanumeric pager. They have niche uses these days. In my case it's the primary means of alerting emergency service personnel of incidents. The pagers use the standard POCSAG protocol, but on their own dedicated statewide network, purpose built by the state government.
I supported a site with video conferencing back in 1995-1997. Bandwidth was LOW back then, I think we ran 112 kbps for video. We used to joke that you shouldn't make any sudden movements when on video.
There were ISDN numbers loaded in the system when we got it, and most of the test numbers belonged to techs, the number published in countless dialing directories just rang at their desk. They'd pick up, wave, and have a quick chat.
... Emphasize differences
Re: Really?
By: Moondog to Bencollver on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:49 pm
Not sure I want to mess with freedom of speech, however I might recommend better fact finding and research go into reporting, plus full disclosure redactions and editorial corrections, like most newspapers do. I'd rathe see the media police themselves than have government get their hands on anything.
there is freedom of speech but you cant yell fire in a movie theater.
the media has actually put people's lives at risk at times.
they cant police themselves, something else has to do it.
Re: Really?
By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 28 2019 08:24:38
Why is the wall useless? Is there something you know that we don't? Perhaps you can enlighten us?
The wall is useless because the cartells already have tunels dug under the a where the wall is going.
-Dallas Vinson
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Re: Really?
By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Sat Sep 28 2019 08:33:04
Mean time have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by the American people.
But that's just it. was was NOT elected by the American people. He was place into power by an antiquated system that should have been abolished DECADES a
With todays speed of communication there is absolutely NO reason for the electoral college.
-Dallas Vinson
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in the very least, it shows that we can get an outsider into the presidency and we can get some changes. democrats and republicans hate him
there is freedom of speech but you cant yell fire in a movie theater.
Everybody who casts a vote period is throwing it away because the poplar vote doesn't mean a damn thing, the Electoral College is who decides the president, not the people.
I couldn't agree more. But because they are illegal, they get paid less. It's not the immigrants fault, it is those that are employing them. THAT is where the crack down needs to be taking place. As long as employeers get away with paying them less than an actual citizen, then there will always be a problem.
Nightfox wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Re: Facts (was: Really?)
By: Lupine Furmen to MRO on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:05 pm
Everybody who casts a vote period is throwing it away because the poplar vote doesn't mean a damn thing, the Electoral College is who decides the president, not the people.
Doesn't the electoral college base their decision (at least
partly) on the popular vote?
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Minex on Tue Oct 01 2019 09:20 pm
in the very least, it shows that we can get an outsider into the presidency and we can get some changes. democrats and republicans hate
It's happened before. Ronald Reagan was originally an actor.
Nightfox
has DOVENet General somehow gotten crossedlinked with Politics??
i saw talk about groups policing themselves but then i see none of that happening in here :/
Just an observation, when the left wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler, the right was comparing Obama and Hitlery Clinton to Hitler. Ever notice no one compares anyone to Stalin?
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 09:22 pm
i get that people are fucking in the woods. but why does someone transport
magazine all the way out there in the woods.
maybe they know kids will find it. i dunno.
Not necessarily. Young boys are curious, and if they get ahold of a Playboy or Hustler, they're not going get caught looking at it or have it found in their room. Those mags are the holy grail of items to show off to your buddies that don't have a secret porn stash. That's why they're stashed in secret clubhouse
been there.
how the hell does that happen.
did grown dudes go there to have a wank
I don't know, but I was at a friend's apartment complex one time a long time ag
and we saw a condom sitting next to a tree outside..
But that's just it. was was NOT elected by the American people. He was placed into power by an antiquated system that should have been abolished DECADES ago
With todays speed of communication there is absolutely NO reason for the electoral college.
HOWEVER, the Electoral College is in no way REQUIRED to vote the way of the popular vote of their state. And therin lies the problem.
The electoral college has nothing to do with speed of communication. It
was created to keep large-population areas (at that time, New York and Philly) from being the only places that really got to vote. The Founding themselves that were not of any interest to the rest of the states and
would unintentionally pool their votes in the favor of politicians who pandered only to them.
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:43 pm
there is freedom of speech but you cant yell fire in a movie theater.
Yes, I think freedom of speech only applies in government entities, not priv
Nightfox
Mean time have some respect for the office and whoever was elected by
the American people.
But that's just it. was was NOT elected by the American people. He was placed into power by an antiquated system that should have been abolished DECADES ago.
With todays speed of communication there is absolutely NO reason for the electoral college.
The electoral college has nothing to do with speed of communication. It was created to keep large-population areas (at that time, New York and Philly) from being the only places that really got to vote. The Founding themselves that were not of any interest to the rest of the states and would unintentionally pool their votes in the favor of politicians who pandered only to them.
They don't teach this shit in school? Why is everyone so dazed and confused?
So what would be your solution to the problem?
So you believe Rhode Island should always be represented equal to States like Texas and California? The little guy doesn't count. Is that correct?
You think "speed of communication" is the reason for the Electoral
College?
The elctoral college is a check and balance to give lower population areas leverage with larger populated areas. Our government would be controlled by New York and California.
It's happened before. Ronald Reagan was originally an actor.
Doesn't the electoral college base their decision (at least partly) on the popular vote?
Companies shouldn't be employing illegal aliens in the first place.
At my first job, I worked at a fast food place. One time, it was found out that some of the employees from Mexico who were working there were here illegally, and they were deported. After that, the owners of the fast food place had everyone bring in their social security cards to show we were legal citizens who were legally able to work there.
Not sure, but I would certainly start with increased patrols along the border. Maybe make each state responsible for patrolling their own border with Mexico.
Remember folks, you can attack an idea WITHOUT attacking the poster. Also: Opinions are like @$$holes, Everyone has one. So PLEASE, let's keep this to a debate of ideas and not turn it into person attacks and name calling.
Lupine Furmen wrote to Gamgee <=-
You think "speed of communication" is the reason for the Electoral
College?
The reason for the Electoral College was because it could take
months for a states votes to be counted and make their way to the
capitol. So the states appointed electors that would then take
their will of their state and cast votes for their people.
Something that anyone that ever took an American History class in
HS or a Civics class would know.
Lupine Furmen wrote to HusTler <=-
So you believe Rhode Island should always be represented equal to States like Texas and California? The little guy doesn't count. Is that correct?
This has nothing to do with a states representation, that's what
the house of representatives is for. When it comes to voting for
the Pres. It should be the majority vote of the NATION. The
individuale states should not be a factor in it.
Lupine Furmen wrote to HusTler <=-
Re: Wall (was: Really?)
By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 06:55:21
So what would be your solution to the problem?
Not sure, but I would certainly start with increased patrols
along the border.
Maybe make each state responsible for patrolling their own
border with Mexico.
It's happened before. Ronald Reagan was originally an actor.
Yep, and at least Reagan didn't resort to childish name calling on live TV.
Re: Wall (was: Really?)
By: HusTler to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 06:55:21
So what would be your solution to the problem?
Not sure, but I would certainly start with increased patrols
along the border.
And how would you pay for that? The Congress (read Dems) won't
fund anything for border security, because they *WANT* illegal
immigration.
Maybe make each state responsible for patrolling their own
border with Mexico.
It's a Federal border and a Federal Govt issue. Not states.
There's a nearby post office with a payphone and there's one on the street outside the athletics track.
No, she's a crook, she tried to hide $175,000,000 dollars
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Before I was downsized from the plant, the corporate telecom guys were installing HD video conferencing units that allowed the use of two screens, so the confernce was on one screen, and the presentation was
on the other. Ten years before the Polycoms we installed were much
simpler and less detailed.
prager U just did a good video about why people dont talk badly about communism. pretty interesting.
agreed... and can you guys also please move it to the dovenet debate arena? i w
uld suggest the dovenet politics arena but there's not one and i don't think th
religion area is suitable even though politics is a religion for some ;)
Why do local junior colleges offer Basic Arithmetic for high school graduate It's because the public school system sucks.
prager U just did a good video about why people dont talk badly about communism. pretty interesting.
Is that the video about how Hitler is bad but Stalin is just misunderstood?
IMHO, the only difference betwee Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were their political beliefs. They were all totalitarian, genocidal monsters.
agreed... and can you guys also please move it to the dovenet debate arena? w
uld suggest the dovenet politics arena but there's not one and i don't thin th
religion area is suitable even though politics is a religion for some ;)
Thing is had it not started here, I would not be participating as I would have never seen it. I intentionally avoid the debate echo. :)
On 10-01-19 23:41, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i did a google search near me.
there is one in the prison, one at the bowling alley, one at my post office, and one at a gas station.
On 10-02-19 10:22, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I also carried a pager recently until 2011 when I left the nuclear industry. The plant had cell repeaters all over, so signal was not an issue. The plant owned a bunch of NEC numerics, and we rented alphas.
One time one of our remote offices stopped receiving pages, so we had
to go on the roof to adjust an antenna to point at another antenna.
The provider was eliminating repeater s due to the decreased business, however we needed the coverage. The building had repeaters on each
floor.
On 10-03-19 11:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I miss the days of pagers. If someone was going to get me out of bed at 3am, they had to be up, too.
So you believe Rhode Island should always be represented equal to
States like Texas and California? The little guy doesn't count. Is
that correct?
This has nothing to do with a states representation, that's what the house of representatives is for. When it comes to voting for the Pres. It should be the majority vote of the NATION. The individuale states should not be a factor in it.
You think "speed of communication" is the reason for the Electoral
College?
Yes, and there is no reason to drop to MRO's level and resort to name calling, would hate to have to start deleting your posts as well.
The reason for the Electoral College was because it could take months for a states votes to be counted and make their way to the capitol. So the states appointed electors that would then take their will of their state and cast votes for their people.
The elctoral college is a check and balance to give lower population
areas leverage with larger populated areas. Our government would be
controlled by New York and California.
I keep seeing people say that, but I just can't agree with it. As I said in a reply to someone else; That is what the House of Representatives is for. The PRES. should be elected by a majority vote of the NATION. The individual states should never even be brought into the equation.
No, she's a crook, she tried to hide $175,000,000 dollars
That number could look bigger by adding some decimal places: $175,000,000.00 <smirk>
Is that the video about how Hitler is bad but Stalin is just misunderstood
IMHO, the only difference betwee Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were their political beliefs. They were all totalitarian, genocidal monsters.
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Before I was downsized from the plant, the corporate telecom guys were installing HD video conferencing units that allowed the use of two screens, so the confernce was on one screen, and the presentation was on the other. Ten years before the Polycoms we installed were much simpler and less detailed.
Video is a racket - at a previous employer, I worked supporting the smaller companies owned by the parent company. They quoted my office $150K for a video system which included an "ambient light control system" - blinds slaved to the VC unit. For $25k. I told them we had something called "Blinds" that we were happy opening and closing ourselves.
... Fear is the mind killer. - Paul Muad'Ib
Not only don't kids today remeber corded phones they don't know what "dialin is. Older movies with people in phone booths freak them out. Employed or unemployed they all deserve smart phones for their mental health.
Re: Really?
By: Capn Jax to Zombie Mambo on Tue Oct 01 2019 03:18 am
Not only don't kids today remeber corded phones they don't know what "dialing" is. Older movies with people in phone booths freak them out. Employed or unemployed they all deserve smart phones for their mental health.
I'm not sure how they wouldn't know what dialing is.. Don't they put their
Nightfox
Re: Really?
By: MRO to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Sep 29 2019 20:21:03
i think it's time for more non politicians to run. also i think the news needs to be put in its place. the media is trying to control everyone.
How would you like to see the news media put in its place?
-Ben
Re: Really?
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 10:10 am
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope swing the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a half pack of sm and a nasty adult mag?
been there.
how the hell does that happen.
did grown dudes go there to have a wank
Re: Really?
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 10:10 am
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope swing the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a half pack of sm and a nasty adult mag?
Cell phones and internet have ruined so many time-honored traditions.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
My nephew saw an old rotary phone, and asked how people texted on it. I tol him we had pagers. He was born in 99, and by the time he was old enough to remember much, I think the Alpha pagers were being phased out for flip phones. I told him once upon a time phone calls were over a dollar a minute on a cell phone, and only doctors and drug dealers had them. Same with pagers. It's funny to watch old TV shows such as Perry Mason, and he asks the home owner if he could call his office from their phone. The other funn thing is when he leaves the office, he tells hissecretary where he's going s she can call him at that person's extension.
Back to the rotary phone. I received a laptop from work in 1990, and the phone system in my area was still pulse dialing. To get the modem to work, had to change the dialing string from tone to pulse, then place a 1 minute wait time in Procomm Plus so it wouldn't hang up while waiting for the numbe to dial and pick up. The first site I ever dialed was for a site call HUG-ZU the Heath\ Zenith user's group. This is the number we used to test
laptops, plus had postings for surplus or returned product sales. There was also a classifed ads area for folks who liked horse trading Heath/ Zenith items. It was long distance, so I only got on for 5-10 minutes a day to check messages
Re: Really?
By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Oct 01 2019 04:06 pm
If kids today aren't building forts, jumping ramps, and making rope
swings i the woods how the hell are they going to stumble across a
half pack of smoke and a nasty adult mag?
been there.
how the hell does that happen.
did grown dudes go there to have a wank
I don't know, but I was at a friend's apartment complex one time a long time
Nightfox
i get that people are fucking in the woods. but why does someone transport a magazine all the way out there in the woods.
maybe they know kids will find it. i dunno.
Re: Elected (was: Really?)
By: echto to HusTler on Thu Oct 03 2019 12:20 am
Why do local junior colleges offer Basic Arithmetic for high school gradu It's because the public school system sucks.
this actually happene with one of my ex girlfriends. they let her graduate without finishing math courses and she had to redo it when going back into college 20 years later.
It frustrates me to see that people are blind to Stalin and Mao's horrific crimes and then point out "THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!" to anyone who marks Stalin or Mao as the monsters they were. If that's not real communism, I don't even want to know what is - especially since I hate how my party has been hijacked by some of them for god knows what reason.
It frustrates me to see that people are blind to Stalin and Mao's horrific crimes and then point out "THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!" to anyone who marks Stalin or Mao as the monsters they were. If that's not real communism, I don't even want to know what is - especially since I hate how my party has been hijacked by some of them for god knows what reason.
I would like to see the media held to account when they are proven to have
Re: Re: Really?
By: Nodoka Hanamura to Dumas Walker on Fri Oct 04 2019 03:51 am
It frustrates me to see that people are blind to Stalin and Mao's horri crimes and then point out "THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!" to anyone who marks Stalin or Mao as the monsters they were. If that's not real communism, I don't even want to know what is - especially since I hate my party has been hijacked by some of them for god knows what reason.
For "real communism", I suppose you could go look at what Karl Marx wrote ab
Nightfox
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 10-03-19 11:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I miss the days of pagers. If someone was going to get me out of bed at 3am, they had to be up, too.
Come here, join the fire brigade and relive the days of round the clock pages. :D
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I noticed when it came to external AV companies, they liked to ask,
"how cool do you want to be?" They were also very forthcoming about
other companies of similar size, and what they just bought.
On 10-04-19 06:11, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Come here, join the fire brigade and relive the days of round the clock pages. :D
No, thanks - all of my fires have been metaphorical. I'll leave the
real fire fighting to the professionals!
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
They made it even worse by creating a new class - the party -
to pick and choose who rules over them.
there is no avoiding anything on dovenet.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
They made it even worse by creating a new class - the party -
to pick and choose who rules over them.
And that last sentence lays bare the REALITY behind communism/socialism. It's NEVER about the people. It's only about the state - of which the Party in control of.
So, if the gov't controls everything. And The Fearless Leader controls the gov't - guess what? - he controls everything.
This is why socialism/communism always devolves into dictatorship or oligarc
Re: Really?
By: Zombie Mambo to Bencollver on Thu Oct 03 2019 13:11:28
I would like to see the media held to account when they are proven to hav
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
Please forgive my socratic approach. What would be the first step toward holding the media accountable? How could it be done without the
cooperation of the media? Could it be done in a grass-roots way
without the force of a government? Also, would your restrictions
close down efforts such as Wikileaks? In your evaluation, does
Wikileaks do more to help or hinder media accountability?
Best regards,
Ben
Can you accomplish it without the media?
Sure.
Revoke all of their licenses and let new ones start.
Don't allow them to be owned/operated by people with known politcal ties. Don't allow them to contribute to politcal funds.
Force them to have to cite their facts with sources.
Do not allow them to use anonymous sources.
When they are caught, punish them harshly.
I doubt anything will be done as, as a society, many people are just a**hole and don't care about anything larger than their own life.
Those kind of people can't lead a country.
Those kind of people can't fight for a cause. They can only give lipservice. Those kind of people have no honor.
They are unable to understand things, like our own constitution, and what it meant and why.
If they could, they wouldn't do what they are doing in their positions of influence and power.
they'd be checking each other.
Thanks,
Zombie Mambo
I feel a revolution must be started by the news followers regarding what they will accept from the media. In the past I recall times when the network nes anchors would be transparent about the relationship of their network and a corporation or other partnership as part of the reporting of such organization, and I feel that transparency needs to return A grass roots movement is needed to get the viewership to reward the more honest, more transparent, fair and balanced news sources.
I feel a revolution must be started by the news followers regarding what t will accept from the media. In the past I recall times when the network n anchors would be transparent about the relationship of their network and corporation or other partnership as part of the reporting of such organization, and I feel that transparency needs to return A grass roots movement is needed to get the viewership to reward the more honest, more transparent, fair and balanced news sources.
IIRC, they used to have to label something that was based on opinion and
not facts as "editorial" or "opinion." They do not have to do that any
more (although one local station still does). I feel like a return to that would be a giant step in the right direction, but I am guessing your FOX NEWSes, CNNs, and MSNBCs would not like that too much as it would cover
most of their "news" programming.
I feel a revolution must be started by the news followers regarding wha
IIRC, they used to have to label something that was based on opinion and not facts as "editorial" or "opinion." They do not have to do that any
Very true. Most news proframs consist of more commentary than reporting.
Very true. Most news proframs consist of more commentary than reporting.
The other day I saw Clint Eastwood is directing a movie about Robert Jewell, the secuirty guard who discovered the bomb at he Atlanta Olympics. While researching Jewells' background, one reporter tried to do the police's job and profiled Jewell as being a police wanna be, and the type that would set a bomb for attention. While being held by the police for questioning, the media concluded this was an open and shut case. They were wrong, of course, however the damage to the guy's reputation and the stress placed on he and his family is irreversible.
IIRC, they used to have to label something that was based on opinion and not facts as "editorial" or "opinion." They do not have to do that any more (although one local station still does). I feel like a return to
There are seriously people who don't know about 9/11?
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