• 4th of July ??

    From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to All on Monday, July 01, 2019 22:53:52
    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer drinkin?
    HusTler
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to HusTler on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 00:01:27
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: HusTler to All on Mon Jul 01 2019 10:53 pm

    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer drinkin?

    Inlaws are coming over... I'm so thrilled... *SIGH*...

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 08:25:06
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to HusTler on Tue Jul 02 2019 12:01 am

    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer
    drinkin?

    Inlaws are coming over... I'm so thrilled... *SIGH*...

    My condolences. Reminds me of some past holidays but now no longer "obligated" to participate in. These days I enjoy having the freedom to do whatever I want. Try and make the best of it. I know how difficult it can be. ;-)
    HusTler
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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:22:18
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to HusTler on Tue Jul 02 2019 12:01 am

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: HusTler to All on Mon Jul 01 2019 10:53 pm

    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer drink

    Inlaws are coming over... I'm so thrilled... *SIGH*...


    Even tho the msg wasn't addressed to ALL far be it from me to not get in on some red hot 4th of July action plans.

    Here in FLA, fireworks are still legal. Around the corner they are having a buy 1 get 3 sale. I plan to wow my 3 boys and their cousins with a chaotic display of explosive danger as i tie as many stupid sh*t together on one fuse as possible with no regard to my neighbor's lawns or rooftops, or my own safety.

    Then again, i'll probably just get them snakes, sparklers, smoke bombs and snap pops.

    It sux that its on a thurs cuz i'd have to burn a vacation day to take fri off...

    why is it that Thanksgiving you get thurs AND friday off, but Christmas you only get the 25th off, when there's just as much travel/family involved for both?

    And why then is Easter not a holiday, the only thing more impressive then being born the sone of God via immaculate conception would indeed be rising from the dead to take your place at your Father's side, no? How do you not celebrate THAT but MLK day and Labor day are holidays?.

    Every sunday is a labor day.

    Sheeez.

    <rant />


    Thanks,
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 13:52:42
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to HusTler on Tue Jul 02 2019 12:01 am

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: HusTler to All on Mon Jul 01 2019 10:53 pm

    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer drinkin?

    Inlaws are coming over... I'm so thrilled... *SIGH*...



    sitting at home doing nothing!
    nothing beats that when you work hard for a living.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 13:54:21
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: HusTler to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Jul 02 2019 08:25 am

    My condolences. Reminds me of some past holidays but now no longer "obligated" to participate in. These days I enjoy having the freedom to do whatever I want. Try and make the best of it. I know how difficult it can be. ;-)
    HusTler
    Havens BBS (havens.synchro.net)


    yeah, i had a gf and i would get dragged to her family events. so we would travel far, i would pay for every single thing and i would be around a bunch of lunatics who yell at eachother all the time. also it was hot and there was nothing to do except do shit in the water.

    it feels so great to not have to go through that shit anymore.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Zombie Mambo on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 14:22:07
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Jul 02 2019 10:22 am

    Even tho the msg wasn't addressed to ALL far be it from me to not get in on some red hot 4th of July action plans.


    independence day!

    Here in FLA, fireworks are still legal. Around the corner they are having a buy 1 get 3 sale. I plan to wow my 3 boys and their cousins with a chaotic


    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.

    It sux that its on a thurs cuz i'd have to burn a vacation day to take fri off...

    why is it that Thanksgiving you get thurs AND friday off, but Christmas you only get the 25th off, when there's just as much travel/family involved for both?

    And why then is Easter not a holiday, the only thing more impressive then being born the sone of God via immaculate conception would indeed be rising


    i get all that shit off. i have a week off for independance day and a week off for christmas.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Zombie Mambo on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 12:36:31
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Jul 02 2019 10:22 am

    Here in FLA, fireworks are still legal. Around the corner they are having a buy 1 get 3 sale. I plan to wow my 3 boys and their cousins with a chaotic display of explosive danger as i tie as many stupid sh*t together on one fuse as possible with no regard to my neighbor's lawns or rooftops, or my own safety.

    I probably won't buy any fireworks this year. I don't really want to spend much (if any) money on that kind of thing anymore..

    It sux that its on a thurs cuz i'd have to burn a vacation day to take fri off...

    why is it that Thanksgiving you get thurs AND friday off, but Christmas you only get the 25th off, when there's just as much travel/family involved for both?

    Some companies give 2 days off for those holidays. The company I work for is giving us Thursday and Friday both off as holidays for the July 4th holiday. My company has also given us 2 days off for Christmas. It depends on what day of the week those fall on though. If July 4th or Christmas fall in the middle of the week, we'd probably only get one day off as a holiday. But if it falls on a Thursday, we usually get 2 days off (and I think same if it falls on a Tuesday).

    And why then is Easter not a holiday, the only thing more impressive then being born the sone of God via immaculate conception would indeed be rising from the dead to take your place at your Father's side, no? How do you not celebrate THAT but MLK day and Labor day are holidays?.

    If you have a job where you work weekends, I think it's semi-common for people to have Easter off; at least, they could probably request Easter off for religious reasons. At an old job I had, there were several employees who were LDS/Mormon, and they never worked Sundays at all due to their religion.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Zombie Mambo on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 13:01:00
    On 07-02-19 10:22, Zombie Mambo wrote to Ernest J Gainey Iii <=-

    why is it that Thanksgiving you get thurs AND friday off, but Christmas you only get the 25th off, when there's just as much travel/family involved for both?

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get Christmas and Boxing Day (December 26) off, and if they happen to fall on a weekend, then we get public holidays on the following Monday and Tuesday.

    And why then is Easter not a holiday, the only thing more impressive
    then being born the sone of God via immaculate conception would indeed
    be rising from the dead to take your place at your Father's side, no?
    How do you not celebrate THAT but MLK day and Labor day are holidays?.

    Oh, we have a 4 day weekend for Easter - Good Friday, Easter Sunday and the following day (Easter Monday) are public holidays here. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 23:56:28
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:01 pm

    On 07-02-19 10:22, Zombie Mambo wrote to Ernest J Gainey Iii <=-

    why is it that Thanksgiving you get thurs AND friday off, but Christmas you only get the 25th off, when there's just as much travel/family involved for both?

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get Christmas and Boxing Day (December 26) off, and if they happen to fall on a weekend,


    it's not really the country; it's his employer.
    i get a lot of vacation days but if i have to be careful how i take off. nobody is there to do my job and it just piles up. so i pad the holidays as much as i can.

    i also get personal days that i can use in 1 hr increments which comes in handy.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 18:25:00
    On 07-02-19 23:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    Yes it is, all those days I nentioned are gazetted public holidays here. That's a government thing, not an employer one.


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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 12:33:50
    MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

    around a bunch of lunatics who yell at eachother all the time. also it

    Sounds like my family. ;)

    it feels so great to not have to go through that shit anymore.

    We just had the grandson and my daughter over for a BBQ. Was over fast and we made her bring her own food. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Mandarax@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 11:07:00
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 06:25 pm

    On 07-02-19 23:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    Yes it is, all those days I nentioned are gazetted public holidays here. That's a government thing, not an employer one.


    A lot of those same days here are also official holidays. However, that does not mean that all employers give those days off. Tomorrow is the 4th of July which is an official Holiday here, but many I'm sure will still be working.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 09:36:19
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Jul 02 2019 02:22 pm

    Here in FLA, fireworks are still legal. Around the corner they are
    having a buy 1 get 3 sale. I plan to wow my 3 boys and their cousins
    with a chaotic

    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.

    What's the point of selling them then?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 09:37:47
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:01 pm

    Oh, we have a 4 day weekend for Easter - Good Friday, Easter Sunday and the following day (Easter Monday) are public holidays here. :)

    I've heard that Sunday being called Easter Sunday (because that's the day Easter actually falls on), but I don't think I've ever heard of "Easter Monday". Easter is always on a Sunday.. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 09:41:48
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 02 2019 11:56 pm

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    I've heard people in the US tend to have fewer holidays and less vacation time than people in other countries. The US seems to have fewer federal holidays than many other countries, and many companies in the US don't offer more than the federal holidays off as holidays. Some bigger companies perhaps might offer more time off.

    Nightfox

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 11:21:11
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Jul 02 2019 02:22 pm

    i get all that shit off. i have a week off for independance day and a week o for christmas.

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the same place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to use whenever i wish.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 11:26:30
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Tue Jul 02 2019 12:36 pm

    If you have a job where you work weekends, I think it's semi-common for peop to have Easter off; at least, they could probably request Easter off for religious reasons. At an old job I had, there were several employees who we LDS/Mormon, and they never worked Sundays at all due to their religion.

    Nightfox

    My company is your typical new liberal corporate type. They took away 4 of the holidays we used to have, and changed them to "floating" so now Thanksgiving is the only 2-day holiday we get. This is so "everyone can pick the holidays they wish to celebrate".

    We also have a wonderful diversity program and intranet site where you can learn about all the world's holidays except of course American and Christian-based ones... I always wondered why we needed that when Google Doodles takes care of informing us about everyone else's holidays.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing other's but I do hate when sh*t is shoved down your throat.

    And, the incosistency is mind-blowing. We're forced to take all these inclusion sessions and craft emails certain ways so as not to exclude anyone on accident, but then the company sends out a corporate-wide casting call "To all female employees"...

    Hmmm... what if I feel female today or happen to look great in a size 3 black mini?


    Thanks,
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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Vk3jed on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 11:28:37
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:01 pm

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get Christmas a Boxing Day (December 26) off, and if they happen to fall on a weekend, then get public holidays on the following Monday and Tuesday.

    I hope a croc bites your sack off you filthy Auzzie... :)

    I'm surprised you don't get a week off for Rugby.



    Thanks,
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Zombie Mambo on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 13:10:14
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:21 am

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the same place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to use whenever i wish.

    Wasted? I'd feel good if I had enough job stability to stay at one place that long. Also you accrue good benefits, as you've mentioned with your time off.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:11:06
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 06:25 pm

    On 07-02-19 23:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    Yes it is, all those days I nentioned are gazetted public holidays here. That's a government thing, not an employer one.

    in the united states, we dont get off 'government holidays'; we could very well be working. we would only have these federal holidays off if we were federal employees. what days we have off is determined by our employer.


    so that is why i say it's not the country he lives in, it's his employee that determines what day he works and what days he has off.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:12:01
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 09:36 am

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Jul 02 2019 02:22 pm

    Here in FLA, fireworks are still legal. Around the corner they are
    having a buy 1 get 3 sale. I plan to wow my 3 boys and their cousins
    with a chaotic

    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.

    What's the point of selling them then?

    to make money and tax them.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:13:46
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 02 2019 11:56 pm

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    I've heard people in the US tend to have fewer holidays and less vacation time than people in other countries. The US seems to have fewer federal holidays than many other countries, and many companies in the US don't offer more than the federal holidays off as holidays. Some bigger companies perhaps might offer more time off.


    we're a country of hard working people. americans used to work six days a week.

    other countries are smaller and not as successful. some have less of a work ethic.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Zombie Mambo on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:14:45
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:21 am

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Tue Jul 02 2019 02:22 pm

    i get all that shit off. i have a week off for independance day and a week o for christmas.

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the same place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to use whenever i wish.



    if you count my bathroom breaks i get and extra 52 hrs off a year.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:19:50
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:10 pm

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:21 am

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the same place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to use whenever i wish.

    Wasted? I'd feel good if I had enough job stability to stay at one place that long. Also you accrue good benefits, as you've mentioned with your time off.


    you cant even stay at one place for an entire year? you need to change occupations.
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to Zombie Mambo on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 19:36:01
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:26 am

    My company is your typical new liberal corporate type. They took away 4 of the holidays we used to have, and changed them to "floating" so now Thanksgiving is the only 2-day holiday we get. This is so "everyone can pick the holidays they wish to celebrate".

    We did that... when we separated into "The Business" and "IT". The intent was that there would be IT available on certain holidays where customer transactions "could not fail." That lasted about 2-4 years. New management came in and said, "IT is no longer a separate company."

    We also have a wonderful diversity program and intranet site where you can learn about all the world's holidays except of course American and Christian-based ones... I always wondered why we needed that when Google Doodles takes care of informing us about everyone else's holidays.

    We're in about 76 different countries, so we have similar on our Intranet. I never looked to see if the US holidays were included or not. I'll have to look sometime.

    Hmmm... what if I feel female today or happen to look great in a size 3 black mini?

    Pictures... or didn't happen... :)

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 19:39:48
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:11 pm

    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 06:25 pm
    On 07-02-19 23:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
    it's not really the country; it's his employer.
    Yes it is, all those days I nentioned are gazetted public holidays here. That's a government thing, not an employer one.

    in the united states, we dont get off 'government holidays'; we could very well be working. we would only have these federal holidays off if we were federal employees. what days we have off is determined by our employer.

    Bank's rely upon the Federal Reserve being open, so bank employees do get the same holidays as Federal employees. Incase you ever wondered why banks are closed on those holidays. :)

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to HusTler on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 19:59:16
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: HusTler to All on Mon Jul 01 2019 10:53 pm

    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer drinkin?

    Sleep in.
    Gym.
    Bake cookies.
    Solder up my new mini tesla coil.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 17:29:17
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:13 pm

    I've heard people in the US tend to have fewer holidays and less
    vacation time than people in other countries. The US seems to have
    fewer federal holidays than many other countries, and many companies
    in the US don't offer more than the federal holidays off as holidays.
    Some bigger companies perhaps might offer more time off.

    we're a country of hard working people. americans used to work six days a week.

    other countries are smaller and not as successful. some have less of a work ethic.

    I've heard of some countries in Europe having more vacation time and companies offering more vacation time than in the US. And those are first-world countries, I don't think they're struggling, really.

    It's good to have a good work-life balance. What's your work worth to you if you don't have much time to enjoy your life?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 17:31:03
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:19 pm

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the
    same place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to
    use whenever i wish.

    Wasted? I'd feel good if I had enough job stability to stay at one
    place that long. Also you accrue good benefits, as you've mentioned
    with your time off.

    you cant even stay at one place for an entire year? you need to change occupations.

    What? When did I say that? I've been with my current employer for a bit over 8 years. And he said he has been at his workplace for 20 years.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 22:29:50
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 05:29 pm

    other countries are smaller and not as successful. some have less of a work ethic.

    I've heard of some countries in Europe having more vacation time and companies offering more vacation time than in the US. And those are first-world countries, I don't think they're struggling, really.


    there's countries in europe that you know about that arent doing so well. in some cases the govt runs the manufacturing and has people working just to work.

    It's good to have a good work-life balance. What's your work worth to you if you don't have much time to enjoy your life?

    i have a week off for independance day. i get off every holiday and if it's on a thursday i get 2 days off. i have over a week off for christmas and i have
    3 weeks vacation and also i have personal days that i can use in 1 hr increments. do i not have enough time off?

    how many people really enjoy their life? i'm too busy trying to make money.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 22:30:46
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 05:31 pm

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the ZM>> same place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to ZM>> use whenever i wish.

    Wasted? I'd feel good if I had enough job stability to stay at one
    place that long. Also you accrue good benefits, as you've mentioned
    with your time off.

    you cant even stay at one place for an entire year? you need to change occupations.

    What? When did I say that? I've been with my current employer for a bit over 8 years. And he said he has been at his workplace for 20 years.


    oh i thought you were referring to the 224 hr thing.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 20:43:23
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:11 pm

    in the united states, we dont get off 'government holidays'; we could very well be working. we would only have these federal holidays off if we were federal employees. what days we have off is determined by our employer.

    Well there are some holidays that are usually fairly standard to have off, including Thanksgiving (usually 2 days), Christmas, New Years Day, and Independence Day. Most companies I've seen offer those days off.

    If people are working for any of those holidays, it's usually retail workers, medical workers, and people who work in other service fields who have to make sure services (such as electricity, water, etc.) keep going in case of an emergency.

    Other than the above, if a company doesn't at least offer Thanksgiving and Christmas off, they're being dicks for not allowing their employees to spend time with their families for the holidays.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mandarax on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:15:00
    On 07-03-19 11:07, Mandarax wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    A lot of those same days here are also official holidays. However,
    that does not mean that all employers give those days off. Tomorrow is
    the 4th of July which is an official Holiday here, but many I'm sure
    will still be working.

    While trading laws are pretty free and open here these days, Good Friday, in particular, has some significant restrictions on trade. Also, there's penalty rates that apply to those working on public homidays, so the employers are required by law to pay their workers more on these days, though penalty rates have been watered down a bit in the last year or so.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:15:00
    On 07-03-19 09:37, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:01 pm

    Oh, we have a 4 day weekend for Easter - Good Friday, Easter Sunday and the following day (Easter Monday) are public holidays here. :)

    I've heard that Sunday being called Easter Sunday (because that's the
    day Easter actually falls on), but I don't think I've ever heard of "Easter Monday". Easter is always on a Sunday.. :P

    I think it's the good old Aussie excuse for a Monday off work. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Zombie Mambo on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:17:00
    On 07-03-19 11:28, Zombie Mambo wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/ZZONE
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:01 pm

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get Christmas a Boxing Day (December 26) off, and if they happen to fall on a weekend, then get public holidays on the following Monday and Tuesday.

    I hope a croc bites your sack off you filthy Auzzie... :)

    Poor croc would suffer hypothermia and be unable to move, long bef9re it got here. :D

    I'm surprised you don't get a week off for Rugby.

    LOL we do get a day off the say before the AFL Grand Final. :P


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:20:00
    On 07-03-19 16:11, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    in the united states, we dont get off 'government holidays'; we could
    very well be working. we would only have these federal holidays off if
    we were federal employees. what days we have off is determined by our employer.


    so that is why i say it's not the country he lives in, it's his
    employee that determines what day he works and what days he has off.

    Except there's more levers for people to be given the days off here. Government workers and businesses who do manufactoring or administrative sort of work take the day off. Sure, retail operates through most of these holidays, but employees who work public holidays have to be given extra "penalty rates", which are mandated by law. In some occupations, workers actually _choose_ to be rostered on for public holidays, because of the financial advantage.

    There's a lot of government mandated stuff, so yes it does matter what country you're in.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Zombie Mambo on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:49:00
    On 07-03-19 11:26, Zombie Mambo wrote to Nightfox <=-

    My company is your typical new liberal corporate type. They took away 4
    of the holidays we used to have, and changed them to "floating" so now Thanksgiving is the only 2-day holiday we get. This is so "everyone can pick the holidays they wish to celebrate".

    That can work for some. I used to like working over the Christmas break, because (1) it meant avoiding the crowds when I did take time off, and (2) I could do annual maintenance and upgrades on infrastructure when no one was using it. That said, I still did get the official public holidays off, to keep things simple.

    We also have a wonderful diversity program and intranet site where you
    can learn about all the world's holidays except of course American and Christian-based ones... I always wondered why we needed that when
    Google Doodles takes care of informing us about everyone else's
    holidays.

    I haven't spent much time in places and roles where this would happen.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing other's but I do hate when sh*t is shoved down your throat.

    Some of us have had heterosexist Christian norms shoved down our throats all our lives. But most people wouldn't notice, except for those who don't fit that demographic. For the record, I was raised Christian (Church of England), but by my mid 20s, decided it didn't make sense to me and was too self serving, and my beliefs shifted dramatically. That said, I have nothing against the Christian holidays, and some have even evolved their own meanings. I also appreciate the historical and cultural background of Christianity, even if I don't agree with its teachings (especially in the modern, organised sense).

    And, the incosistency is mind-blowing. We're forced to take all these inclusion sessions and craft emails certain ways so as not to exclude anyone on accident, but then the company sends out a corporate-wide casting call "To all female employees"...

    That depends on context.

    Hmmm... what if I feel female today or happen to look great in a size 3 black mini?

    Well, do you (look good in the mini)? :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:51:00
    On 07-03-19 19:36, Ernest J Gainey Iii wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

    We're in about 76 different countries, so we have similar on our Intranet. I never looked to see if the US holidays were included or
    not. I'll have to look sometime.

    I'm sure you'll find a couple of odd Aussie public holidays in there. :D

    Hmmm... what if I feel female today or happen to look great in a size 3 black mini?

    Pictures... or didn't happen... :)

    Hahaha yep. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dr. What on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:52:00
    On 07-03-19 19:59, Dr. What wrote to HusTler <=-

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    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: HusTler to All on Mon Jul 01 2019 10:53 pm

    So what's everyone doing for the 4th?? Party? Barbecue?? Some Beer drinkin?

    Sleep in.
    Gym.
    Bake cookies.
    Solder up my new mini tesla coil.

    It's just another regular day over here, but had the monthly morning coffee gathering this morning and will be off to the track for some training soon. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:54:00
    On 07-03-19 17:29, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    I've heard of some countries in Europe having more vacation time and companies offering more vacation time than in the US. And those are first-world countries, I don't think they're struggling, really.

    It would be interesting to see rankings of working conditions around the world.

    It's good to have a good work-life balance. What's your work worth to
    you if you don't have much time to enjoy your life?

    I agree totally. I'm also particularly sensitive to this and have to make sure work doesn't take over, or find better ways to disguise paid work as other activities that are more meaningful.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:56:00
    On 07-03-19 17:31, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    What? When did I say that? I've been with my current employer for a
    bit over 8 years. And he said he has been at his workplace for 20
    years.

    I'm coming up to 5 years now. My record is 7 years in the same role, working for the same company, though I actually stayed on another 7 years as a contractor after a restructure.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, July 04, 2019 00:27:06
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 08:43 pm

    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:11 pm

    in the united states, we dont get off 'government holidays'; we could very well be working. we would only have these federal holidays off if we were federal employees. what days we have off is determined by our employer.

    Well there are some holidays that are usually fairly standard to have off, including Thanksgiving (usually 2 days), Christmas, New Years Day, and Independence Day. Most companies I've seen offer those days off.

    If people are working for any of those holidays, it's usually retail workers, medical workers, and people who work in other service fields who have to make sure services (such as electricity, water, etc.) keep going in case of an emergency.

    Other than the above, if a company doesn't at least offer Thanksgiving and Christmas off, they're being dicks for not allowing their employees to spend time with their families for the holidays.

    and there are people less fortunate than us who get the time off but no holiday pay.
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  • From Zenobyte@VERT/ZENOLAB to Zombie Mambo on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 21:50:41
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:26 am

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Tue Jul 02 2019 12:36 pm

    If you have a job where you work weekends, I think it's semi-common
    for peop to have Easter off; at least, they could probably request
    Easter off for religious reasons. At an old job I had, there were
    several employees who we LDS/Mormon, and they never worked Sundays at
    all due to their religion.

    Nightfox

    My company is your typical new liberal corporate type. They took away 4 of the holidays we used to have, and changed them to "floating" so now Thanksgiving is the only 2-day holiday we get. This is so "everyone can pick the holidays they wish to celebrate".

    We also have a wonderful diversity program and intranet site where you can learn about all the world's holidays except of course American and Christian-based ones... I always wondered why we needed that when Google Doodles takes care of informing us about everyone else's holidays.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing other's but I do hate when sh*t is shoved down your throat.

    And, the incosistency is mind-blowing. We're forced to take all these inclusion sessions and craft emails certain ways so as not to exclude anyone on accident, but then the company sends out a corporate-wide casting call "To all female employees"...

    Hmmm... what if I feel female today or happen to look great in a size 3 black mini?


    Thanks,
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    Man I do miss when we had the whole Easter week off. *cries* oh well......

    Happy 4th guys!! <3

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thursday, July 04, 2019 08:38:31
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jul 04 2019 12:27 am

    If people are working for any of those holidays, it's usually retail
    workers, medical workers, and people who work in other service fields
    who have to make sure services (such as electricity, water, etc.) keep
    going in case of an emergency.

    Other than the above, if a company doesn't at least offer Thanksgiving
    and Christmas off, they're being dicks for not allowing their
    employees to spend
    time with their families for the holidays.

    and there are people less fortunate than us who get the time off but no holiday pay.

    True :/

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Thursday, July 04, 2019 08:20:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

    What? When did I say that? I've been with my current employer for a
    bit over 8 years. And he said he has been at his workplace for 20
    years.

    I'm coming up to 5 years now. My record is 7 years in the same
    role, working for the same company, though I actually stayed on
    another 7 years as a contractor after a restructure.

    It's an interesting topic. I think I read somewhere that most
    workers today (at least here in the USA) will change jobs an
    average of 7 times over their working career. I'd guess it's more
    than that for a young adult just starting their career today.

    Apparently I'm "below average". Have only had two jobs in my
    life. The first one I stayed at for 28 years, and the current one
    I've been at for 13, and will finish my working years with. :-)



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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Nightfox on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:20:45
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 02 2019 11:56 pm

    Coz you live in the wrong country? :P Here in Australia, we get

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    I've heard people in the US tend to have fewer holidays and less vacation ti than people in other countries. The US seems to have fewer federal holidays than many other countries, and many companies in the US don't offer more tha the federal holidays off as holidays. Some bigger companies perhaps might offer more time off.

    Nightfox


    My company is a large international one. We are HQ'd in the US but have Japan, China, Italy, Denmark, France, Poland offices...

    I can tell you 95% of the people I talk to I can't speak their language or pronounce their names. We use webex meetings all the time, and usually we here stateside have problems understanding what they are sayin. I would prefer documents and emails instead of wasted time on face to face meetings online.

    I'm sure they have a difficult time understanding our American slang too. But we are a US company...

    Anyways I can attest to them having way more holidays than we do.

    They also work remotely more often.


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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to MRO on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:21:59
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:11 pm

    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 06:25 pm

    On 07-02-19 23:56, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    it's not really the country; it's his employer.

    Yes it is, all those days I nentioned are gazetted public holidays here. That's a government thing, not an employer one.

    in the united states, we dont get off 'government holidays'; we could very w be working. we would only have these federal holidays off if we were federa employees. what days we have off is determined by our employer.


    so that is why i say it's not the country he lives in, it's his employee tha determines what day he works and what days he has off.

    I concur

    lets not forget, i explained that my company had one schedule of holidays for 40 years, then when we merged with the company that bought us 2 yrs, ago, they slowly started changing everything, including long-standing holidays employees in the US get off.


    Thanks,
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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to MRO on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:24:38
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:19 pm

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 01:10 pm

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:21 am

    Luckily I get 224 hours off a year cuz i've wasted 20 yrs at the sam place... so i have a pretty decent amount of paid time off to use whenever i wish.

    Wasted? I'd feel good if I had enough job stability to stay at one place that long. Also you accrue good benefits, as you've mentioned with your time off.


    you cant even stay at one place for an entire year? you need to change occupations.

    Time off is earned.
    Benefits like health insurance have gone up every single one of those 20 yrs. It costs me like $800/mo now to insure my family (me, wife, 3 kids) and that's on the cheapest plan my company offers.

    At least they offer one tho.

    The new company that took us over also changed the time off policy. At 25 years I would stand to get 1 more week of vacation, which tops out what you can earn

    The new company grandfathered in anyone over 25 yrs, but for the rest, 224 is the max so... i get screwed.


    Thanks,
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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:27:49
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 07:36 pm

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:26 am

    My company is your typical new liberal corporate type. They took away 4 o the holidays we used to have, and changed them to "floating" so now Thanksgiving is the only 2-day holiday we get. This is so "everyone can p the holidays they wish to celebrate".

    We did that... when we separated into "The Business" and "IT". The intent wa er a separate company."

    We also have a wonderful diversity program and intranet site where you ca learn about all the world's holidays except of course American and Christian-based ones... I always wondered why we needed that when Google Doodles takes care of informing us about everyone else's holidays.

    We're in about 76 different countries, so we have similar on our Intranet. I

    Hmmm... what if I feel female today or happen to look great in a size 3 black mini?

    Pictures... or didn't happen... :)


    Those pictures will never make the rounds if I have anything to do with it.
    You made me think of something about the "it lasted 2-4 yrs"... Ever notice how every 3-5 yrs whatever ideas you've already tried, new mgmt says we should try despite you already proving no value in it?

    They just keep recycling and flipping the same ideas and never learn from the mistakes the previous regime experienced... then, once they F things up to the point where nothing works right, they quit and cite their great accomplishments to the new company that hires them with no clue that they were nothing but f-ups.


    Thanks,
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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Vk3jed on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:32:22
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Zombie Mambo on Thu Jul 04 2019 02:49 pm

    That can work for some. I used to like working over the Christmas break, because (1) it meant avoiding the crowds when I did take time off, and (2) I could do annual maintenance and upgrades on infrastructure when no one was using it. That said, I still did get the official public holidays off, to k things simple.


    I used to take off every monday and friday from thanksgiving until Jan 1st and the last 2 weeks of december.

    Then I realized that since we never go anywhere for Christmas, I might as well work the week between xmas and new year's for the same reasons you cite. Nobody is there to bother you, you can get a shit ton of work done.


    Thanks,
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thursday, July 04, 2019 17:53:21
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2019 02:20 pm


    Except there's more levers for people to be given the days off here. Government workers and businesses who do manufactoring or administrative sort of work take the day off. Sure, retail operates through most of these holidays, but employees who work public holidays have to be given extra "penalty rates", which are mandated by law. In some occupations, workers actually _choose_ to be rostered on for public holidays, because of the financial advantage.

    There's a lot of government mandated stuff, so yes it does matter what country you're in.

    Not my cup of tea, but i dont have to live there.
    i prefer less govt and i want even less now.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thursday, July 04, 2019 17:55:18
    Re: Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Jul 04 2019 02:56 pm

    On 07-03-19 17:31, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    What? When did I say that? I've been with my current employer for a bit over 8 years. And he said he has been at his workplace for 20 years.

    I'm coming up to 5 years now. My record is 7 years in the same role, working for the same company, though I actually stayed on another 7 years as a contractor after a restructure.




    i have 15 years in and i think i'm a bit late for settling down. actually i'm thinking of leaving because at this place they only favor the new hires.
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to Zombie Mambo on Thursday, July 04, 2019 20:13:26
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Thu Jul 04 2019 02:27 pm

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jul 03 2019 07:36 pm
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 11:26 am

    You made me think of something about the "it lasted 2-4 yrs"... Ever notice how every 3-5 yrs whatever ideas you've already tried, new mgmt says we should try despite you already proving no value in it?

    They just keep recycling and flipping the same ideas and never learn from the mistakes the previous regime experienced... then, once they F things up to the point where nothing works right, they quit and cite their great accomplishments to the new company that hires them with no clue that they were nothing but f-ups.

    Yup, it's usually 2 or 3 plans that get recycled in those 3-5 year periods. Each time it is some new awesome plan. The only thing ever new about it, is that it gets a new name.

    One period: We are regional. North America, South America, Europe, Asia. Each region has its own rules.

    Next period: We are going to globalize, there are no more regions, we're all one company. Everyone must follow the same rules and processes.

    Next period: Let's cycle back around to being regional... as globalizing and standardizing 76 different ways of doing things is to complicated.

    Ernest

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Friday, July 05, 2019 13:09:00
    On 07-04-19 17:55, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i have 15 years in and i think i'm a bit late for settling down.
    actually i'm thinking of leaving because at this place they only favor
    the new hires.

    I'm considering my options for the future, but I at least have some stability, while I look at my options.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Friday, July 05, 2019 13:11:00
    On 07-04-19 17:53, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Not my cup of tea, but i dont have to live there.
    i prefer less govt and i want even less now.

    There needs to be a balance. I don't trust government or the private sector entirely, but a balance between them can be the lesser of the evils.


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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Friday, July 05, 2019 15:39:08
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Zombie Mambo on Thu Jul 04 2019 08:13 pm

    One period: We are regional. North America, South America, Europe, Asia. Ea region has its own rules.

    Next period: We are going to globalize, there are no more regions, we're all one company. Everyone must follow the same rules and processes.

    Next period: Let's cycle back around to being regional... as globalizing and standardizing 76 different ways of doing things is to complicated.

    That's pretty much it...

    "we've realized there are so many synergies across all of our different reasons, that there are real cost-savings in streamlining and removing redundancies... "

    Then they fire 40-60% of the "Redundnancies" and expect those that are left to do the job of 3-5 people.

    WHen the remaining people leav for greener pastures and the "new" young mellenials come in with no work experience and high pay demands, they realize WTF did we do?

    "While we had some great success leveraging the best of each other's processes and what worked right to globalize our business, we've come to find that each region has a very specific localized customer base and work / life balance. FOr this reason we now see that each region operates more efficiently when it is allowed to be agile and do things that meet its own needs. Therefore other than payroll, we are disbanding and allowing each to operate as their own business".



    Thanks,
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to Zombie Mambo on Friday, July 05, 2019 22:21:37
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Zombie Mambo to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Fri Jul 05 2019 03:39 pm

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Zombie Mambo on Thu Jul 04 2019 08:13 pm

    That's pretty much it...
    "we've realized there are so many synergies across all of our different reasons, that there are real cost-savings in streamlining and removing redundancies... "

    Yup, and let's demise systems and processes that work well... and replace with some 'standardized' ones... that has half the features...

    Then they fire 40-60% of the "Redundnancies" and expect those that are left to do the job of 3-5 people.

    Yup, do more with less. "This job is 'similar' to your existing job... so you can take on this task too..."

    [Umm.. boss... not really... you're showing how little you really know about my job and their job... but OK.. I want to stay employed...]

    "While we had some great success leveraging the best of each other's processes and what worked right to globalize our business, we've come to find that each region has a very specific localized customer base and work / life balance. FOr this reason we now see that each region operates more efficiently when it is allowed to be agile and do things that meet its own needs. Therefore other than payroll, we are disbanding and allowing each to operate as their own business".

    We're currently in the globalize/standarize phase. Just waiting for someone
    to kickstart the process back to regional. I'm starting to see little cracks here and there.

    :)

    Ernest

    ... Me no wanna goto work. Me wanna bang on keyboard!

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  • From K7ELH@VERT/EOTSBBS to MRO on Sunday, July 07, 2019 11:16:43
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:12 pm

    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.
    What's the point of selling them then?
    to make money and tax them.

    I think the correct question would be "What is the point of buying them?"

    They are illegal to buy, sell or use here in California.

    Too damn many fires.

    Eric

    K7ELH

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to K7ELH on Sunday, July 07, 2019 22:44:45
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: K7ELH to MRO on Sun Jul 07 2019 11:16 am

    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 03 2019 04:12 pm

    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.
    What's the point of selling them then?
    to make money and tax them.

    I think the correct question would be "What is the point of buying them?"

    they buy them to shoot off fireworks because they're fun and they look cool.

    They are illegal to buy, sell or use here in California.

    Too damn many fires.


    they shouldnt build over/near woodlands.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to K7ELH on Sunday, July 07, 2019 21:33:55
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: K7ELH to MRO on Sun Jul 07 2019 11:16 am

    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.

    What's the point of selling them then?

    to make money and tax them.

    I think the correct question would be "What is the point of buying them?"

    That too. I'm not sure I see the point in buying or selling them in a state where they're illegal..

    They are illegal to buy, sell or use here in California.

    Too damn many fires.

    A couple years ago, they banned consumer fireworks in Vancouver, Washington (just in the city limits, I think). I wouldn't be surprised if they end up banning consumer fireworks in Oregon too. I probably wouldn't care much - I haven't been interested in buying fireworks for myself in a long time, and sometimes I get annoyed at people lighting off loud fireworks late at night, especially a few days after the holiday.

    Aerial fireworks are illegal in Oregon, but many people in my area go up to Washington State (since it's not that far of a drive) to buy aerial fireworks and bring them back here. Since Vancouver, Washington has banned fireworks, I suppose people have to drive a little further to buy them (though probably not that much further - The neighboring town of Camas isn't that much further).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Monday, July 08, 2019 09:55:50
    Re: 4th of July ??
    By: MRO to K7ELH on Sun Jul 07 2019 10:44 pm

    in my state they are legal to buy, but not use.

    What's the point of selling them then?

    to make money and tax them.

    I think the correct question would be "What is the point of buying
    them?"

    they buy them to shoot off fireworks because they're fun and they look cool.

    But you said it's illegal to use them? I guess law enforcement is a bit lax there?

    Similar here for the 4th of July though.. People buy aerial fireworks from Washington State and light them off here where those are illegal, but I haven't heard of many people getting tickets from the police for that.

    Too damn many fires.

    they shouldnt build over/near woodlands.

    Buildings can catch fire too.. Also, they don't have to build near woodlands for forest fires to start. Last year (I think), there was a group of people traveling through the Columbia River Gorge in Oregon, and some kid who was walking over a bridge or something there lit a firework and threw it off the bridge and started a huge forest fire.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, July 08, 2019 15:54:06
    Re: 2020
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:41 pm


    That's a very open question.. One thing is self-driving cars, and I've heard other people say this too, there may be a day when a law is passed requiring all cars on the road to be self-driving, for safety reasons (eliminating the human element, including drunk drivers and human error, etc.). It seems that may well happen, maybe in the next decade, maybe beyond. Also, if self-driving cars become more and more common, I've heard people say some people might opt to not own a car at all, and call a self-driving taxi when they need to get somewhere.


    i PRAY they have self driving cars and maybe even dedicate a car lane to them.

    it's a great alternative for drunk drivers and a lot of people can't drive very well in some areas. i drive in milwaukee all the time and people are fucking nuts. you wouldnt believe what i've seen
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