• Hey how goes!?

    From Thedude007@VERT/BACKWOOD to All on Thursday, May 02, 2019 22:42:22
    Hey how goes?

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and Trade Wars!

    Really cool to see this technology is still in use and on the modern web.

    Was very cool to discover this tonight, brought back a lot of good memories!


    Steve Helm

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  • From Heliarc@VERT/HAVENS to Thedude007 on Friday, May 03, 2019 09:07:37
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Thedude007 to All on Thu May 02 2019 10:42 pm

    Hey how goes?

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and Trade Wars!

    Really cool to see this technology is still in use and on the modern web.

    Was very cool to discover this tonight, brought back a lot of good memories!


    Steve Helm

    Welcome back Steve! Yes the BBS lives on but needs more active users. Hope to see more of you in many message areas offered by BBSers.

    Heliarc

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Thedude007 on Friday, May 03, 2019 10:03:31
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Thedude007 to All on Thu May 02 2019 10:42 pm

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and Trade Wars!

    Really cool to see this technology is still in use and on the modern web.

    Was very cool to discover this tonight, brought back a lot of good memories!

    Welcome back! I got back into it myself in 2007 when I discovered & watched Jason Scott's "BBS: The Documentary". I found that the BBS scene was more active than I thought (though, not like it was in the early/mid 90s).

    Nightfox

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Thedude007 on Friday, May 03, 2019 14:00:46
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Thedude007 to All on Thu May 02 2019 10:42 pm

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and Trade Wars!

    Telegard - man, had almost forgotten about that one!

    Welcome back to the "Scene" man!

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Thedude007 on Saturday, May 04, 2019 17:12:35
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Thedude007 to All on Thu May 02 2019 22:42:22

    Hey how goes?

    Well here in NL :)

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and Trade Wars!

    Yeah those old good times LOL

    Really cool to see this technology is still in use and on the modern web.

    Thanks to SBBS it is...

    which warez groups were you active in?
    HAWKEYE

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Saturday, May 04, 2019 15:12:04
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Hawkeye to Thedude007 on Sat May 04 2019 05:12 pm

    Really cool to see this technology is still in use and on the modern
    web.

    Thanks to SBBS it is...

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    which warez groups were you active in?

    I don't think you can assume everyone was involved with warez groups. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to THEDUDE007 on Saturday, May 04, 2019 07:29:00
    Was very cool to discover this tonight, brought back a lot of good memories!
    Hope to see you around. We try to create lively conversations.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Hawkeye on Sunday, May 05, 2019 09:15:02
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Hawkeye to Thedude007 on Sat May 04 2019 05:12 pm

    Well here in NL :)

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was
    in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and
    Trade Wars!

    Yeah those old good times LOL


    Yea? Me too. I ran Imgage and Cnet on the C64. Then Cnet for Amiga. Renegade on an XT and Searchlight on an AT. Later I tried SBBS on Windows XP and recently SBBS on a Ubuntu Server. The "Warez" days have been long gone. I can't even remember what groups I was affiliated with. I remeber getting a lot of 0-3 day. I could delete the stuff after 10 or 12 days. I didn't have the Hard drive space to keep it. Back then memory was expenesive and a good size HD was at least $800 bucks. Cable was just starting to blossom so dialup was my only option. I do miss those dayz. I guess that's why I'm still messing with a BBS today. I have nothing in common with "normal" folks. LOL

    Hustler

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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Sunday, May 05, 2019 09:18:44
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Sat May 04 2019 03:12 pm

    Really cool to see this technology is still in use and on the
    modern web.

    Thanks to SBBS it is...

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    which warez groups were you active in?

    I don't think you can assume everyone was involved with warez groups. :)

    True.. but I do think that the "BBS" is very much associated with it.

    Hustler

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to dmxrob on Saturday, May 04, 2019 06:47:00
    dmxrob wrote to Thedude007 <=-

    I used to be into the BBS scene way back when, had a lot of fun, was in the WWIV, Telegard and then Renegade Realms, was into warez and Trade Wars!

    Telegard - man, had almost forgotten about that one!

    That was my first board, back in the day... wish I had a backup of it
    now.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sunday, May 05, 2019 08:03:00
    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also a few
    new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to name a few.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Sunday, May 05, 2019 17:14:03
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Sat May 04 2019 15:12:04

    Thanks to SBBS it is...
    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    I'm aware of that but for me it is :)

    which warez groups were you active in?
    I don't think you can assume everyone was involved with warez groups. :)

    He wrote he was active in warez so that's why I assumed it...
    HAWKEYE

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sunday, May 05, 2019 13:39:14
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun May 05 2019 08:03 am

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too.

    A PCBoard clone is in development. There is a difference.

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, May 05, 2019 13:17:00
    On 05-04-19 15:12, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also
    still in development.

    Among others. :)

    which warez groups were you active in?

    I don't think you can assume everyone was involved with warez groups.
    :)

    Yeah, I never had anything to do with warez either. My main BBS involvement was echomail.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Sunday, May 05, 2019 22:39:39
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Sun May 05 2019 01:39 pm

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun May 05 2019 08:03 am

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too.

    A PCBoard clone is in development. There is a difference.


    where's the info on that
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Monday, May 06, 2019 00:27:26
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun May 05 2019 10:39 pm

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Sun May 05 2019 01:39 pm

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun May 05 2019 08:03 am

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too.

    A PCBoard clone is in development. There is a difference.


    where's the info on that

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pcboardbbs
    http://saltairbbs.com/
    http://www.exchangebbs.com/


    digital man

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DIGITAL MAN on Monday, May 06, 2019 17:19:00
    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still
    in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too.

    A PCBoard clone is in development. There is a difference.

    Is it a clone? Sounded to me like maybe someone got the source for it but maybe I completely took that wrong. I was under the impression that there
    is a clone and an actual continuation project going on.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, May 06, 2019 20:41:50
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to dmxrob on Sat May 04 2019 06:47 am

    Telegard - man, had almost forgotten about that one!

    That was my first board, back in the day... wish I had a backup of it
    now.

    I do too. Need to hunt down the source code if it is hanging around out there somewhere. It was probably my "favorite" BBS package back in the day. Be nice to revisit some of that old code.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 06, 2019 20:42:38
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun May 05 2019 08:03 am

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also a few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to name a few.

    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line boards ran it.

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  • From apam@VERT/SANDWICH to Dumas Walker on Saturday, December 31, 2033 14:00:00
    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is
    in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too.

    A PCBoard clone is in development. There is a difference.

    Is it a clone? Sounded to me like maybe someone got the source for
    it but maybe I completely took that wrong. I was under the
    impression that there is a clone and an actual continuation project
    going on.

    Apparently they bought the rights to PCBoard but are rewriting it in
    "Modern Pascal" It's a clone that's meant to look and behave like
    PCBoard, but it's not really the same.

    Andrew

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to dmxrob on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 07:33:00
    dmxrob wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also a few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to name a few.

    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't
    hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line
    boards ran it.

    There's a live alpha version available to see at:
    saltairbbs.com

    Not all functions are operable yet but it's coming along. The
    author has publicly stated that he expects the first release to be
    only a few months away now.

    There's a FB page with more info too, if you do FB.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to dmxrob on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 09:32:43
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Dumas Walker on Mon May 06 2019 08:42 pm

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also a
    few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to name
    a few.

    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line boards ran it.

    I think it's interesting that different BBS packages seemed to be more popular in some areas than others. I don't remember seeing Synchronet BBSes in my area back in the 90s, so I only learned about Synchronet in 2007 when I got back into BBSing (and Synchronet is what I run now). In my area, from what I remember, the most popular BBS packages seemed to be RemoteAccess, Wildcat, WWIV, and MajorBBS (to a point). I also remember seeing various others, such as Searchlight, Maximus, Telegard, Renegade, and probably PCBoard and Ezycom too. The BBS scene was a lot more active back then, so there were a lot of BBS packages being used.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to apam on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 16:20:21
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: apam to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 31 2033 02:00 pm

    going on.

    Apparently they bought the rights to PCBoard but are rewriting it in
    "Modern Pascal" It's a clone that's meant to look and behave like
    PCBoard, but it's not really the same.



    i'm not even sure it's possible to buy the pcboard rights.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to dmxrob on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 07:29:00
    dmxrob wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line boards ran
    it.

    I'm sure it was different in other parts of the country, but PCBoards
    in the San Francisco bay area were typically for-pay, multi-line
    "shareware" boards. Not really my cup of tea. Are there any PCBoards
    running nowadays?



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to APAM on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 19:48:00
    Apparently they bought the rights to PCBoard but are rewriting it in
    "Modern Pascal" It's a clone that's meant to look and behave like
    PCBoard, but it's not really the same.

    Ahhh, OK. Thanks!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DMXROB on Tuesday, May 07, 2019 20:02:00
    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line boards ran it.

    There were a few boards that ran it in my area at the time (late '80's/early
    '90's). I am also interested to see how it turns out.

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  • From apam@VERT/SANDWICH to MRO on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 03:01:00
    Apparently they bought the rights to PCBoard but are rewriting it in "Modern Pascal" It's a clone that's meant to look and behave like PCBoard, but it's not really the same.

    i'm not even sure it's possible to buy the pcboard rights. ---

    Me either, I'm just repeating what the author has said.

    Andrew


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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to dmxrob on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 09:26:12
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Dumas Walker on Mon May 06 2019 08:42 pm

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also a
    few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to name
    a few.
    Thats cool that PCBoard is making a comeback. I never used it but I have played around with it. Quite a few ran that back in my area back in the 80s. I have logged into an Enigma system also.

    Brokenmind


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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 12:42:08
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to dmxrob on Tue May 07 2019 07:29 am

    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't
    hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line
    boards ran it.

    I'm sure it was different in other parts of the country, but PCBoards
    in the San Francisco bay area were typically for-pay, multi-line "shareware" boards. Not really my cup of tea. Are there any PCBoards running nowadays?

    I agree. I was never a big fan of PCBoard. It wasn't that popular by me (Long
    Island) and as you said they were Pay boards. I know a nice Pcboard you check out called Danger Bay BBS. Telent to dangerbaybbs.dynds.org port 1337.



    Hustler

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Brokenmind on Wednesday, May 08, 2019 11:36:04
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Brokenmind to dmxrob on Wed May 08 2019 09:26 am

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Dumas Walker on Mon May 06 2019 08:42 pm

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also a
    few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to name
    a few.
    Thats cool that PCBoard is making a comeback.

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Thursday, May 09, 2019 00:49:08
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Hustler to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 08 2019 12:42 pm


    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't
    hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line
    boards ran it.

    I'm sure it was different in other parts of the country, but PCBoards in the San Francisco bay area were typically for-pay, multi-line "shareware" boards. Not really my cup of tea. Are there any PCBoards running nowadays?

    I agree. I was never a big fan of PCBoard. It wasn't that popular by me (Long
    Island) and as you said they were Pay boards. I know a nice Pcboard you check out called Danger Bay BBS. Telent to dangerbaybbs.dynds.org port 1337.



    pcboard had a big following and it has some awesome mods.
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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to MRO on Thursday, May 09, 2019 11:16:23
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Hustler on Thu May 09 2019 12:49 am

    pcboard had a big following and it has some awesome mods.

    PCBoard was not an amateur-based BBS software as the cost was significantly higher than other products on the market such as Wildcat!, GAP, and Synchronet. I found it interesting how ridiculously inflexible PCB was yet the maturity was second to none.

    Dream Master

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dream Master on Thursday, May 09, 2019 22:25:38
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dream Master to MRO on Thu May 09 2019 11:16 am

    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Hustler on Thu May 09 2019 12:49 am

    pcboard had a big following and it has some awesome mods.

    PCBoard was not an amateur-based BBS software as the cost was significantly higher than other products on the market such as Wildcat!, GAP, and Synchronet. I found it interesting how ridiculously inflexible PCB was yet the maturity was second to none.



    have you seen a really cool modded pcboard bbs, though? they have their own ipl and they can do a lot with it.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Friday, May 10, 2019 00:35:19
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Dream Master on Thu May 09 2019 10:25 pm

    PCBoard was not an amateur-based BBS software as the cost was
    significantly higher than other products on the market such as
    Wildcat!, GAP, and Synchronet. I found it interesting how ridiculously
    inflexible PCB was yet the maturity was second to none.

    I paid $100 for PCBoard 15.1 then another $100 for 15.2 single line.
    It was decent but I like Synchronet and Mystic allot better.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to apam on Friday, May 10, 2019 09:20:55
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: apam to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 31 2033 02:00 pm

    Apparently they bought the rights to PCBoard but are rewriting it in
    "Modern Pascal" It's a clone that's meant to look and behave like
    PCBoard, but it's not really the same.

    Eh, as long as they do something they enjoy and come out with something functional, I'm all for it. Don't see any need to stand on ceremony because it isn't "the official one from 1989".

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Dan Clough on Friday, May 10, 2019 09:27:43
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to dmxrob on Tue May 07 2019 07:33 am

    I can't wait to see what they roll out for PCBoard. It wasn't
    hugely popular in the St. Louis area, but a few of the multi-line boards ran it.

    There's a live alpha version available to see at:
    saltairbbs.com

    I tried it out and I like what I see so far! Brought back a lot of memories! The interface is so "clean" to me, and I like that. Can't wait to see what future developments bring.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Nightfox on Friday, May 10, 2019 09:28:56
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to dmxrob on Tue May 07 2019 09:32 am

    I think it's interesting that different BBS packages seemed to be more popular in some areas than others. I don't remember seeing Synchronet BBSes in my area back in the 90s, so I only learned about Synchronet in 2007 when I got back into BBSing (and Synchronet is what I run now). In my area, from

    I never heard of Synchronet until recently. St. Louis was a solid WWIV town for the most part -- we did have a good number of Wildcat! systems as well. Telegard was another one I remember seeing a few of as well.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Digital Man on Friday, May 10, 2019 09:33:46
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to Brokenmind on Wed May 08 2019 11:36 am

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>
    \
    Does it really matter? Geezus.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to dmxrob on Friday, May 10, 2019 09:47:13
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Digital Man on Fri May 10 2019 09:33 am

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>

    Does it really matter? Geezus.

    Maybe in some ways, maybe not. It seems like RemoteAccess and EleBBS. EleBBS is a clone of RemoteAccess, and RemoteAccess itself seems to no longer be developed anymore. But for many sysops, that might not matter.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, May 10, 2019 12:36:35
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to dmxrob on Fri May 10 2019 09:47 am

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Digital Man on Fri May 10 2019 09:33 am

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>

    Does it really matter? Geezus.

    Maybe in some ways, maybe not. It seems like RemoteAccess and EleBBS. EleBBS is a clone of RemoteAccess, and RemoteAccess itself seems to no longer be developed anymore. But for many sysops, that might not matter.

    Soft of my point: EleBBS is not RemoteAccess. The author did not name it "RemoteAccess" and when EleBBS was created, that did not constitent a "comback" for RemoteAccess.

    digital man

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Digital Man on Friday, May 10, 2019 20:34:39
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to Brokenmind on Wed May 08 2019 11:36 am

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also
    a few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to
    name a few.
    Thats cool that PCBoard is making a comeback.

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>


    Didn't someone say the guy working on it bought the rights to PCBoard? If that's true, then it's PCBoard. Programs are re-written from the ground up all the time (as you probably know). If it's not, it's a clone and the jackhole should name it something different.

    DaiTengu

    ... Variables won`t; constants aren`t.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to DaiTengu on Friday, May 10, 2019 18:59:10
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: DaiTengu to Digital Man on Fri May 10 2019 08:34 pm

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to Brokenmind on Wed May 08 2019 11:36 am

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too. There are also >>> a few new packages in development... Magicka, Enigma, and Titan to >>> name a few.
    Thats cool that PCBoard is making a comeback.

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>


    Didn't someone say the guy working on it bought the rights to PCBoard?

    It's not true.

    If
    that's true, then it's PCBoard. Programs are re-written from the ground up all the time (as you probably know). If it's not, it's a clone and the jackhole should name it something different.

    I concur and made this point on Facebook in the "PCBoard BBS sysops and friends" group and the clone-author's response was this:

    "The rewrite was in answer to all of us that still had PCB systems. Mine was strictly for porting PPE to MPL. Yeah, I see your point - it is more of a CLONE now... but, as stated early on, it will be released under the new product name. Right now, I promote it as PCB, as it is 90% compatible drop-in... by the final release - it will be announced under its production name."

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Friday, May 10, 2019 21:10:12
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Digital Man on Fri May 10 2019 09:33 am

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to Brokenmind on Wed May 08 2019 11:36 am

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>
    \
    Does it really matter? Geezus.


    yeah, it's a huge difference.
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  • From apam@VERT/SANDWICH to Digital Man on Saturday, May 11, 2019 02:39:00
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to dmxrob on Fri May 10 2019 09:47 am

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Digital Man on Fri May 10 2019 09:33 am

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>

    Does it really matter? Geezus.

    Maybe in some ways, maybe not. It seems like RemoteAccess and EleB EleBBS is a clone of RemoteAccess, and RemoteAccess itself seems to longer be developed anymore. But for many sysops, that might not m

    Soft of my point: EleBBS is not RemoteAccess. The author did not name
    it "RemoteAccess" and when EleBBS was created, that did not
    constitent a "comback" for RemoteAccess.

    Exactly, and all the attention is on the name PCBoard, not on the actual software itself.

    I'm all for encouraging new development, and if this new "PCBoard" turns
    out to be something worthwhile then that is great. I don't see why it
    needs to be called PCBoard though other than to borrow the fame of the original.

    But then, isn't that kind of like WWIV 5.0? I don't know my history well enough, but I thought rushfan rewrote it in C++.

    Andrew

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to apam on Saturday, May 11, 2019 01:35:46
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: apam to Digital Man on Sat May 11 2019 02:39 am

    But then, isn't that kind of like WWIV 5.0? I don't know my history well enough, but I thought rushfan rewrote it in C++.

    While the WWIV code was migrated from C to C++, it's still the same code base. You can still find plenty of Wayne Bell's legacy in that code. WWIV 5.0 was not a complete rewrite from 4.x and is not a "clone" of WWIV. It is WWIV. So, totally different. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Saturday, May 11, 2019 12:23:13
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to apam on Sat May 11 2019 01:35 am

    But then, isn't that kind of like WWIV 5.0? I don't know my history
    well enough, but I thought rushfan rewrote it in C++.

    While the WWIV code was migrated from C to C++, it's still the same code base. You can still find plenty of Wayne Bell's legacy in that code. WWIV 5.0 was not a complete rewrite from 4.x and is not a "clone" of WWIV. It is WWIV. So, totally different. :-)

    Wasn't WWIV originally written in Basic, and then Pascal? From what I remember, it was re-written a copule times (including a re-write in C/C++), and they kept the name WWIV.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, May 12, 2019 20:00:00
    On 05-10-19 09:47, Nightfox wrote to dmxrob <=-

    Maybe in some ways, maybe not. It seems like RemoteAccess and EleBBS. EleBBS is a clone of RemoteAccess, and RemoteAccess itself seems to no longer be developed anymore. But for many sysops, that might not
    matter.

    Of it does the job, why not? A clone is better than no software of that type at all.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, May 12, 2019 15:06:00
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sat May 11 2019 12:23 pm

    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: Digital Man to apam on Sat May 11 2019 01:35 am

    But then, isn't that kind of like WWIV 5.0? I don't know my history
    well enough, but I thought rushfan rewrote it in C++.

    While the WWIV code was migrated from C to C++, it's still the same code base. You can still find plenty of Wayne Bell's legacy in that code. WWIV 5.0 was not a complete rewrite from 4.x and is not a "clone" of WWIV. It is WWIV. So, totally different. :-)

    Wasn't WWIV originally written in Basic, and then Pascal? From what I remember, it was re-written a copule times (including a re-write in C/C++), and they kept the name WWIV.

    Wayne kept the name WWIV, yeah. Same author, same name. Makes sense to me.

    digital man

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to MRO on Friday, May 17, 2019 18:33:11
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Fri May 10 2019 09:10 pm

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>
    \
    Does it really matter? Geezus.


    yeah, it's a huge difference.

    As dead as the BBS scene is nowadays, I don't think it really matters a hill of beans if you call it PCBoard, WWIV, GrapeWine or TinkerTotter.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to apam on Friday, May 17, 2019 18:35:58
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: apam to Digital Man on Sat May 11 2019 02:39 am

    I'm all for encouraging new development, and if this new "PCBoard" turns
    out to be something worthwhile then that is great. I don't see why it
    needs to be called PCBoard though other than to borrow the fame of the original.

    But then, isn't that kind of like WWIV 5.0? I don't know my history well enough, but I thought rushfan rewrote it in C++.

    If this was 20 years ago, then it would matter. Nowadays, with the BBS scene a pittance of what it was back then, I really don't think it matters at all.

    Those of us who remember what PCBoard was, we might take notice, but the reality is that what few people we manage to get onto boards nowadays, the majority aren't going to care one way or the other.

    To me it is like debating how the deck chairs were setup 30 years after the Titanic sank.

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Vk3jed on Friday, May 17, 2019 18:39:04
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun May 12 2019 08:00 pm

    Maybe in some ways, maybe not. It seems like RemoteAccess and EleBBS. EleBBS is a clone of RemoteAccess, and RemoteAccess itself seems to no longer be developed anymore. But for many sysops, that might not matter.

    Of it does the job, why not? A clone is better than no software of that type at all.

    My thoughts exactly. I've seen so much back and forth about this whole PCBoard thing, and my response has been "So what?" It's not like the BBS scene is packed with users/sysops. Nobody is going to know/care if it is the "real thing" or a clone (and honestly, 99% of the people wouldn't know the real thing anyway).

    While I applaud people having passion, the boat sailed on this 20 years ago. Call it what you like - it just doesn't matter anymore.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Saturday, May 18, 2019 00:00:21
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to MRO on Fri May 17 2019 06:33 pm

    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Fri May 10 2019 09:10 pm

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>
    \
    Does it really matter? Geezus.


    yeah, it's a huge difference.

    As dead as the BBS scene is nowadays, I don't think it really matters a hill of beans if you call it PCBoard, WWIV, GrapeWine or TinkerTotter.


    well, that's your opinion. my opinion is that things like this shouldnt be misleading.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Saturday, May 18, 2019 00:01:27
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to apam on Fri May 17 2019 06:35 pm

    Those of us who remember what PCBoard was, we might take notice, but the reality is that what few people we manage to get onto boards nowadays, the majority aren't going to care one way or the other.

    To me it is like debating how the deck chairs were setup 30 years after the Titanic sank.



    not caring is what got us into this situation.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Saturday, May 18, 2019 00:02:10
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Vk3jed on Fri May 17 2019 06:39 pm

    My thoughts exactly. I've seen so much back and forth about this whole PCBoard thing, and my response has been "So what?" It's not like the BBS


    i'm not sure what you mean about back and forth. it's a few replies.
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  • From Apam@VERT to MRO on Saturday, May 18, 2019 02:36:20
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 12:00 am

    As dead as the BBS scene is nowadays, I don't think it really matters a hill of beans if you call it PCBoard, WWIV, GrapeWine or TinkerTotter.


    well, that's your opinion. my opinion is that things like this shouldnt be misleading.

    I agree, just because there aren't many people into bbses, and the majority of people don't care, doesn't mean the few of us who are still into this shouldn't care.

    It's like building a new computer and calling it a commodore 64, you get all the people who are into commodores interested and excited, only that when they get it it's just a PC with an emulator and a logo on it.

    Building a new BBS, calling it something that was very popular (and still is popular within the scene) in order to build hype is in my opinion pretty bad form. Let this new BBS stand on it's own merits, call it something new.

    Andrew

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to MRO on Saturday, May 18, 2019 07:14:24
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 12:01 am

    not caring is what got us into this situation.

    The proliferation of Internet access and the WWW got us into this situation.

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  • From Badopcode@VERT/DHBBS to dmxrob on Saturday, May 18, 2019 02:18:12
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to MRO on Fri May 17 2019 06:33 pm

    It's a clone. PCBoard is not making a comeback. <shrug>
    Does it really matter? Geezus.
    yeah, it's a huge difference.
    As dead as the BBS scene is nowadays, I don't think it really matters a hill

    I'm stealing TinkerTotter

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Apam on Saturday, May 18, 2019 08:44:40
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 12:00 am

    I agree, just because there aren't many people into bbses, and the majority of people don't care, doesn't mean the few of us who are still into this shouldn't care.

    It's like building a new computer and calling it a commodore 64, you get all the people who are into commodores interested and excited, only that when they get it it's just a PC with an emulator and a logo on it.

    Building a new BBS, calling it something that was very popular (and still is popular within the scene) in order to build hype is in my opinion pretty bad form. Let this new BBS stand on it's own merits, call it something new.

    I used to run PCBoard 15, Synchronet is way better IMHO and I just don't think there is a need for a PCBoard clone.
    Most BBS's these days run either Synchronet or Mystic, I run one of each Both are great.
    razzpie.ddns.net:2300
    outwestbbs.com:23
    It would be nearly impossible for a new BBS package to topple the kings of BBS.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Saturday, May 18, 2019 10:38:22
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dumas Walker to DIGITAL MAN on Mon May 06 2019 05:19 pm

    SBBS isn't the only player.. There's also Mystic, and WWIV is also still
    in development.

    PCBoard is apparently back in development now, too.

    A PCBoard clone is in development. There is a difference.

    Is it a clone? Sounded to me like maybe someone got the source for it but maybe I completely took that wrong. I was under the impression that there is a clone and an actual continuation project going on.



    i'm not sure if these guys are open source or if they are claiming pcboard is open source. i looked at saltairbbs and it didnt seem very impressive, nor did i see any pcboard mods working on it, nor did i see any doorgames. it just might be a hoax.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Apam on Saturday, May 18, 2019 10:40:56
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Apam to MRO on Sat May 18 2019 02:36 am

    It's like building a new computer and calling it a commodore 64, you get all the people who are into commodores interested and excited, only that when they get it it's just a PC with an emulator and a logo on it.


    and this was done and it failed miserably.

    Building a new BBS, calling it something that was very popular (and still is popular within the scene) in order to build hype is in my opinion pretty bad form. Let this new BBS stand on it's own merits, call it something new.


    yes, it's tacky. it shows the lack of character of the people doing it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Saturday, May 18, 2019 10:43:07
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to MRO on Sat May 18 2019 07:14 am

    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 12:01 am

    not caring is what got us into this situation.

    The proliferation of Internet access and the WWW got us into this situation.


    that's an easy, unthoughtful cop-out.

    the truth is, sysops didn't see the internet as a threat or tool. they were short sighted and didn't give the users what they wanted.
    go back and look at the talk in the newsgroups about the internet.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Saturday, May 18, 2019 15:17:11
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Denn to Apam on Sat May 18 2019 08:44 am

    I used to run PCBoard 15, Synchronet is way better IMHO and I just don't think there is a need for a PCBoard clone.
    Most BBS's these days run either Synchronet or Mystic, I run one of each Both are great.
    razzpie.ddns.net:2300
    outwestbbs.com:23
    It would be nearly impossible for a new BBS package to topple the kings of BBS.

    well it's not a competition. i think the more bbs softwares there are, the more options, the more interesting things get.

    we just dont have users anymore, that's a big problem.
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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to MRO on Saturday, May 18, 2019 17:21:49
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 10:43 am

    The proliferation of Internet access and the WWW got us into this situation.


    that's an easy, unthoughtful cop-out.

    Ok..... whatever.

    Keep living that dream that the great BBS resurection is coming and good luck with that!

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  • From Badopcode@VERT/DHBBS to MRO on Saturday, May 18, 2019 17:58:06
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 10:43 am

    the truth is, sysops didn't see the internet as a threat or tool. they were short sighted and didn't give the users what they wanted.

    yep. This is FACT. I remember being excited by telnet (before WWW) and I had these visions of a BBS being able to interconnect to each other via the internet (like the MUD gate does) and I got totally poopoo-ed because the world is going to stay dialup for a looooong time. Maybe forever. I mean the future is going to be ISDN and similiar switch services. Hell not only am in a telnet session writing this... but my landline is SIP and cell is routed via WIFI right now. But YA. There was a lot of people that were against more graphical and the internet. And that this was just a fad that people will come back to the BBS when they get tired of this internet thing. The sysops and devs were so zeroed in on efficiency that they lost sight that everyone had upgrade and the common denominator was MUCH higher than their scope. They forced themselves obsolete by pushing for efficiency the users did not want.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Saturday, May 18, 2019 19:52:23
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Denn on Sat May 18 2019 03:17 pm


    It would be nearly impossible for a new BBS package to topple the
    kings of BBS.
    well it's not a competition. i think the more bbs softwares there are, the more options, the more interesting things get.

    we just dont have users anymore, that's a big problem.

    Nope Only SysOps

    HusTler
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Saturday, May 18, 2019 20:59:15
    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to MRO on Sat May 18 2019 05:21 pm

    Re: RE: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to dmxrob on Sat May 18 2019 10:43 am

    The proliferation of Internet access and the WWW got us into this situation.


    that's an easy, unthoughtful cop-out.

    Ok..... whatever.

    Keep living that dream that the great BBS resurection is coming and good luck with that!


    you're jumping to conclusions again.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to dmxrob on Sunday, May 19, 2019 13:46:00
    On 05-17-19 18:39, dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My thoughts exactly. I've seen so much back and forth about this whole PCBoard thing, and my response has been "So what?" It's not like the
    BBS scene is packed with users/sysops. Nobody is going to know/care if
    it is the "real thing" or a clone (and honestly, 99% of the people wouldn't know the real thing anyway).

    Yes, and it keeps the basic essence of those old systems alive in more modern environments. As to the future, can we keep cobbling together DOS environments for legacy software into the future? (in my opinion, probably yes), and more importantly, how realistic is it to remain compatible as FTN standards are updated to suit modern environments? (my answer: I don't know).


    ... A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it!!!
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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Vk3jed on Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:06:50
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to dmxrob on Sun May 19 2019 01:46 pm

    yes), and more importantly, how realistic is it to remain compatible as FTN standards are updated to suit modern environments? (my answer: I don't know).

    Evolve or die. True in everything else in life, and should be for FTN as well.

    Pretty much nowadays if I were going to jump in on a rewrite I'd get rid of everything FTN related. All networked message forums would use APIs, webservices and messaging queues to talk between systems and queue up.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:20:41
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: dmxrob to Vk3jed on Sun May 19 2019 10:06 am

    Evolve or die. True in everything else in life, and should be for FTN as well.

    Pretty much nowadays if I were going to jump in on a rewrite I'd get rid of everything FTN related. All networked message forums would use APIs, webservices and messaging queues to talk between systems and queue up.



    yes, but ftn is pretty easy to setup and works fine.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Monday, May 20, 2019 09:56:57
    Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Denn on Sat May 18 2019 03:17 pm

    well it's not a competition. i think the more bbs softwares there are, the more options, the more interesting things get.

    we just dont have users anymore, that's a big problem.

    The more pessimistic side of me says there's a reson BBS users moved on to the internet & things, and I'm not sure we'll ever see a flood of users coming back to the BBS world.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to dmxrob on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 09:14:00
    On 05-19-19 10:06, dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Evolve or die. True in everything else in life, and should be for FTN
    as well.

    Pretty much nowadays if I were going to jump in on a rewrite I'd get
    rid of everything FTN related. All networked message forums would use APIs, webservices and messaging queues to talk between systems and
    queue up.

    That would probably allow for more real time messaging between BBSs. I think there would probably need to be a FTN subsystem, but only used on dialup. While we in the West may no longer have true dialup anymore, that may not be the case in other parts of the world.


    ... He knew everything about literature, except how to enjoy it.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 20:07:00
    Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    The more pessimistic side of me says there's a reson BBS users moved on
    to the internet & things,

    BUSY SIGNALS.


    ... Do you know where you are?
    --- MultiMail/XT v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 09:33:03
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue May 21 2019 08:07 pm

    The more pessimistic side of me says there's a reson BBS users moved
    on to the internet & things,

    BUSY SIGNALS.

    In the dialup days, as much as internet providers tried to have as many phone lines as they could, sometimes I'd get a busy signal trying to dial into my ISP too.. I think it was more about the worldwide availability of content on the internet rather than avoiding busy signals.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 09:45:41
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to dmxrob on Wed May 22 2019 09:14 am

    Pretty much nowadays if I were going to jump in on a rewrite I'd get
    rid of everything FTN related. All networked message forums would
    use APIs, webservices and messaging queues to talk between systems
    and queue up.

    That would probably allow for more real time messaging between BBSs. I think there would probably need to be a FTN subsystem, but only used on dialup. While we in the West may no longer have true dialup anymore, that may not be the case in other parts of the world.

    A message network based on web APIs sounds interesting.. I think it's good that we have internet-based FTN software though. It gives the best of both worlds, were it could also work on dialup without much difficulty. I'm not sure if modern mailers such as BinkIt, Radius, etc., can be set up for dialup, but it would be nice if they could.

    I feel a bit sad that our phone lines are mostly VOIP now, which makes it difficult to get high-speed modem connections. Even though I haven't used a dialup modem in many years (probably not since 2001 or so), I thought POTS modem technology was fairly cool, and it was cool that enabled the kind of electronic communications that it did. I still find the whole story of how BBSes started up to be interesting. Occasionally I've re-watched parts of BBS: The Documentary, and I enjoy remembering those days and hearing about how that technology started.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 16:55:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I feel a bit sad that our phone lines are mostly VOIP now, which
    makes it difficult to get high-speed modem connections. Even
    though I haven't used a dialup modem in many years (probably not
    since 2001 or so), I thought POTS modem technology was fairly
    cool, and it was cool that enabled the kind of electronic
    communications that it did. I still find the whole story of how
    BBSes started up to be interesting. Occasionally I've re-watched
    parts of BBS: The Documentary, and I enjoy remembering those days
    and hearing about how that technology started.

    A big "plus-one" on all of that.

    I miss the modem days. It was a challenge to get things set up,
    even as a BBS-caller, let alone a BBS sysop. Very satisfying when
    it all worked. Loved the modem-negotiation sounds.

    I may break out my old USR Courier external sometime soon and see
    how she'll play with my old 486 running MS-DOS that I still have.
    :-)



    ... Error - Operator out of memory!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:38:00
    On 05-22-19 09:45, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    A message network based on web APIs sounds interesting.. I think it's good that we have internet-based FTN software though. It gives the
    best of both worlds, were it could also work on dialup without much difficulty. I'm not sure if modern mailers such as BinkIt, Radius,
    etc., can be set up for dialup, but it would be nice if they could.

    BBSs are great in that they're flexible enough to support multiple protocols - Synchronet is the best example, supporting FTN, QWK and NNTP for message transports. A web services based protocol could be written to support both messages and files (which would correspond to file echos in the FTN world, at least), possibly other services as well.

    I feel a bit sad that our phone lines are mostly VOIP now, which makes
    it difficult to get high-speed modem connections. Even though I
    haven't used a dialup modem in many years (probably not since 2001 or
    so), I thought POTS modem technology was fairly cool, and it was cool
    that enabled the kind of electronic communications that it did. I
    still find the whole story of how BBSes started up to be interesting. Occasionally I've re-watched parts of BBS: The Documentary, and I enjoy remembering those days and hearing about how that technology started.


    Sadly, the days of dialup are over for the most part. It was cool tech in its time. Now the Internet has become the main "carrier" instead of the POTS network, and ironically, the roles are reversed. Once upon a time, we carried data on voice lines. Today, we carry voice on a data network.


    ... Spelling is a sober man's game
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dan Clough on Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:53:00
    On 05-22-19 16:55, Dan Clough wrote to Nightfox <=-

    A big "plus-one" on all of that.

    I miss the modem days. It was a challenge to get things set up,
    even as a BBS-caller, let alone a BBS sysop. Very satisfying when
    it all worked. Loved the modem-negotiation sounds.

    Yes, modems took a bit of work to get going. The hardware wasn't as "smart" as today. You had to manually configure serial I/O ports and IRQs, and make them coexist with other devices. Once soundcards came along (16 bit soundcards frequently used 2 IRQs). Allocating IRQs became an artform, especially if you had 4 serial ports!

    I may break out my old USR Courier external sometime soon and see
    how she'll play with my old 486 running MS-DOS that I still have.
    :-)

    I should drag in an old modem and play one day. I can be rather cute and put a modem not only on the PSTN, but also the ham radio "Hamshack Hotline" network. :) Might have to see if I can register a second number for that one day. My system can take care of the inbound routing. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dan Clough on Thursday, May 23, 2019 19:18:48
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Wed May 22 2019 04:55 pm

    I miss the modem days. It was a challenge to get things set up,
    even as a BBS-caller, let alone a BBS sysop. Very satisfying when
    it all worked. Loved the modem-negotiation sounds.

    I remember the first time I got my Front door taking calls, handing off to Telegard, messages tossing without error, message bases automatically maintained and nodelists compiling from diffs, all with one ginormous batch file.

    I'd realized one day that it had worked for a couple of days without any intervention. It was exciting.

    I haven't had that level of "everything working" since. :)

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Sandman@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 22:12:28
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to dmxrob on Wed May 22 2019 09:14 am

    Pretty much nowadays if I were going to jump in on a rewrite I'd get
    rid of everything FTN related. All networked message forums would
    use APIs, webservices and messaging queues to talk between systems
    and queue up.

    That would probably allow for more real time messaging between BBSs. I think there would probably need to be a FTN subsystem, but only used
    on
    dialup. While we in the West may no longer have true dialup anymore, that may not be the case in other parts of the world.

    A message network based on web APIs sounds interesting.. I think it's good that we have internet-based FTN software though. It gives the best of both worlds, were it could also work on dialup without much difficulty. I'm not sure if modern mailers such as BinkIt, Radius, etc., can be set up for dialup, but it would be nice if they could.

    I feel a bit sad that our phone lines are mostly VOIP now, which makes it difficult to get high-speed modem connections. Even though I haven't used
    a
    dialup modem in many years (probably not since 2001 or so), I thought POTS modem technology was fairly cool, and it was cool that enabled the kind of electronic communications that it did. I still find the whole story of how BBSes started up to be interesting. Occasionally I've re-watched parts of BBS: The Documentary, and I enjoy remembering those days and hearing about how that technology started.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Sent from Havens BBS havens.synchro.net:23 (1:267/160)
  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 24, 2019 08:47:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I miss the modem days. It was a challenge to get things set up,
    even as a BBS-caller, let alone a BBS sysop. Very satisfying when
    it all worked. Loved the modem-negotiation sounds.

    I remember the first time I got my Front door taking calls,
    handing off to Telegard, messages tossing without error, message
    bases automatically maintained and nodelists compiling from
    diffs, all with one ginormous batch file.

    Yes! I had the same experience, with FD and PCBoard, and later
    Intermail and PCBoard. Lots of "add-on" utilities too, like an
    upload processor, QWK mail improvements, zipfile comment-inserter,
    and so on. I still have my whole setup archived on a CD,
    including the massive (complicated) batch file. Great stuff.

    I'd realized one day that it had worked for a couple of days
    without any intervention. It was exciting.

    I haven't had that level of "everything working" since. :)

    Yeah, I have a lot more knowledge now about computer stuff, and
    some really cool things that work great..... but there was
    something about that period of time (386's, UARTs, modems, DOS)
    that has yet to make me feel as "accomplished" as I did back then.
    No instant help or Google searches to bail you out of troubles,
    you had to read documentation, talk to friends, and just figure it
    out. Honestly I think of it as the "high water mark" in my
    computing "career". :-)



    ... If it weren't for Edison we'd be using computers by candlelight
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Sandman on Friday, May 24, 2019 09:03:40
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Sandman to Nightfox on Wed May 22 2019 10:12 pm

    You quoted my whole message but didn't add anything.. Did you mean to add a reply?

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, May 24, 2019 09:18:04
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dan Clough on Thu May 23 2019 07:18 pm

    I remember the first time I got my Front door taking calls, handing off to Telegard, messages tossing without error, message bases automatically maintained and nodelists compiling from diffs, all with one ginormous batch file.

    I'd realized one day that it had worked for a couple of days without any intervention. It was exciting.

    I haven't had that level of "everything working" since. :)

    Yep, I remember feeling like that when I got my first BBS set up on FidoNet, and I was using FrontDoor, which passed the connection to RemoteAccess. I felt happy when I got the batch file(s) all working and it could basically run without intervention.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, May 26, 2019 18:30:00
    On 05-24-19 09:18, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yep, I remember feeling like that when I got my first BBS set up on FidoNet, and I was using FrontDoor, which passed the connection to RemoteAccess. I felt happy when I got the batch file(s) all working
    and it could basically run without intervention.

    That feeling is such a buzz. I remember when I got my "bbs.bat" working with BinkleyTerm and RA unattended. Talk about a feeling of achievement. :) Then I got Fidonet working - tosser, netmail packer, outbound manager, etc. And later, on my point, I added GIGO and UUPC to my systems. :)

    I still have a copy of my bbs.bat kicking around. :)


    ... If that's my brain on drugs, can I have sausage with it?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 00:09:37
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 24 2019 08:47:00

    some really cool things that work great..... but there was
    something about that period of time (386's, UARTs, modems, DOS)

    Yep... 16550A, IRQs.... those were the times :)
    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Monday, May 27, 2019 00:13:16
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 24 2019 09:18:04

    I haven't had that level of "everything working" since. :)
    Yep, I remember feeling like that when I got my first BBS set up on FidoNet, and I was using FrontDoor, which passed the connection to RemoteAccess. I felt happy when I got the batch file(s) all working and it could basically run without intervention.

    I even use that experience in my NAS nowadays... batchfiles doing stuff in the scheduler making life easier ;)

    Examples:
    Dropbox automatically move photos/movies to other folder so my 'free' dropbox getting filled up, always enough space ;)

    Using batchfiles to delete automatically files older then x days, for eg downloaded talkshows, if I dont watch them in the same week, I will never.

    etc....
    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Monday, May 27, 2019 00:17:03
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun May 26 2019 18:30:00

    That feeling is such a buzz. I remember when I got my "bbs.bat" working with BinkleyTerm and RA unattended. Talk about a feeling of achievement. :) Then I got Fidonet working - tosser, netmail packer, outbound manager, etc. And later, on my point, I added GIGO and UUPC to my systems. :)

    I become old... lol... I still dont have Fidonet working with SynchroNET BBS and I'm sure it is far easier than back then....

    I still have a copy of my bbs.bat kicking around. :)

    I dont any of my old files of the BBS anymore... sad. Good you kept it.
    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dan Clough on Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:09:00
    Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Honestly I think of it as the "high water mark" in my
    computing "career". :-)

    I'd never thought of it that way, but -- yeah. Add to that the black
    magic of optimizing DOS memory, caching BIOS memory, non
    plug-and-play, and doing something that hardly anyone else knew of
    added to the feeling.


    ... What do you think of the guests?
    --- MultiMail/XT v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Monday, May 27, 2019 16:50:00
    On 05-27-19 00:17, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I become old... lol... I still dont have Fidonet working with
    SynchroNET BBS and I'm sure it is far easier than back then....

    Hmm, yes it sure is easier. Far fewer pieces to fit together nowadays. :)

    I still have a copy of my bbs.bat kicking around. :)

    I dont any of my old files of the BBS anymore... sad. Good you kept it. HAWKEYE

    Yes, I found an old backup. :)


    ... I am not conceited! I just hate mortals.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, May 27, 2019 21:25:00
    On 05-26-19 10:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    @VIA: VERT/REALITY
    Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Honestly I think of it as the "high water mark" in my
    computing "career". :-)

    I'd never thought of it that way, but -- yeah. Add to that the black
    magic of optimizing DOS memory, caching BIOS memory, non
    plug-and-play, and doing something that hardly anyone else knew of
    added to the feeling.

    That was the fun of setting up a new system. Today it's so.... boring! :D


    ... The cost of feathers has risen...now even DOWN is up!
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Hawkeye on Monday, May 27, 2019 07:47:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    some really cool things that work great..... but there was
    something about that period of time (386's, UARTs, modems, DOS)

    Yep... 16550A, IRQs.... those were the times :)

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge
    improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    And don't forget having to properly set up about a MILLION little
    jumper connectors on some motherboards, and on expansion cards,
    especially serial/parallel cards.

    Memory management (LOADHIGH), tweaking config.sys and
    autoexec.bat.... ahhhh the list goes on. Good times.



    ... ...and we had to chisel taglines into the walls of the cave.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, May 27, 2019 07:53:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Honestly I think of it as the "high water mark" in my
    computing "career". :-)

    I'd never thought of it that way, but -- yeah. Add to that the
    black magic of optimizing DOS memory, caching BIOS memory, non plug-and-play, and doing something that hardly anyone else knew
    of added to the feeling.

    Yep. Being a real "sysop" back then made me feel like Superman.
    You're right, it was because not very many people knew how to do
    it.

    One of my "great accomplishments" was once adding an external
    multi-disc CDROM drive to add shareware CDs to the BBS's file
    areas. Something the users LOVED, and getting a new CDROM
    (NightOwl, etc) was like GOLD. This thing had a SCSI interface
    too, which was not trivial to get working under DOS.

    Ahhhh, the Good Old Days. ;-)



    ... Clones are people two.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 16:27:27
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to Hawkeye on Mon May 27 2019 07:47 am

    was
    something about that period of time (386's, UARTs, modems, DOS)

    Yep... 16550A, IRQs.... those were the times :)

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    And don't forget having to properly set up about a MILLION little
    jumper connectors on some motherboards, and on expansion cards, especially serial/parallel cards.

    Then came "Plug and Play" and we all lost our job. :-(

    HusTler
    *Havens BBS havens.synchro.net:23 (1:267/160)*

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Sent from Havens BBS havens.synchro.net:23 (1:267/160)
  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Monday, May 27, 2019 22:54:15
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 27 2019 21:25:00

    That was the fun of setting up a new system. Today it's so.... boring! :D

    True. Also reason I love retro computing as a hobby.
    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 22:58:10
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to Hawkeye on Mon May 27 2019 07:47:00

    Yep... 16550A, IRQs.... those were the times :)
    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    Especially with DV and OS/2 it was mandatory to get a decent 16550A otherwise you were not able to run multiline.

    And don't forget having to properly set up about a MILLION little
    jumper connectors on some motherboards, and on expansion cards, especially serial/parallel cards.

    Yes, DMA, IRQ, etc... love it... where is that dam JP49 I see 48 and 50 but no 49.... lol

    Memory management (LOADHIGH), tweaking config.sys and
    autoexec.bat.... ahhhh the list goes on. Good times.

    QEMM was a blessing and later on OS/2. Power to the 386 :)

    Good times. I love to tweak sometimes old machines. Mostly Amiga's. But few weeks ago I played with a Commodore PC-1... keeps funny. And on my Amiga 2000 I have MS-DOS 6.22 running... LOL... why? because it can...
    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 22:59:33
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 27 2019 07:53:00

    One of my "great accomplishments" was once adding an external
    multi-disc CDROM drive to add shareware CDs to the BBS's file
    areas. Something the users LOVED, and getting a new CDROM
    (NightOwl, etc) was like GOLD. This thing had a SCSI interface
    too, which was not trivial to get working under DOS.

    True... Remember 650 MB on those drives.... while my HDDs were 200 MB or so. Cheap medium to store those things on, especially shareware cdrom like Nightowl etc....
    HAWKEYE

    - MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 21:53:17
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to Hawkeye on Mon May 27 2019 07:47 am

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    And don't forget having to properly set up about a MILLION little
    jumper connectors on some motherboards, and on expansion cards, especially serial/parallel cards.

    Memory management (LOADHIGH), tweaking config.sys and
    autoexec.bat.... ahhhh the list goes on. Good times.

    I remember those days.. 16550 UARTs, math co-processors, jumpers, and messing with config.sys and autoexec.bat.. And I remember with MS-DOS 5 (or was it 6?) when they added the ability to add menus to config.sys and autoexec.bat so you could make multiple system configurations to boot up with to run different software that required different system settings. I thought that was pretty cool at the time.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 19:25:00
    On 05-27-19 22:54, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/MASHBBS
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 27 2019 21:25:00

    That was the fun of setting up a new system. Today it's so.... boring! :D

    True. Also reason I love retro computing as a hobby.
    HAWKEYE

    I'd get more into retro computing, if I had the space Would love to get one of my Apple II compatible (One is a genuine Apple, the other is a Japanese clone) systems up and running. Would like to get some older DOS based systems up. Now that serial to telnet is cheap and easy to go, there's a lot of scope to put these systems online as a BBS or whatever. :)


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    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 19:44:00
    On 05-27-19 07:47, Dan Clough wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    And don't forget having to properly set up about a MILLION little
    jumper connectors on some motherboards, and on expansion cards,
    especially serial/parallel cards.

    Memory management (LOADHIGH), tweaking config.sys and
    autoexec.bat.... ahhhh the list goes on. Good times.

    Ahh, memories. Those were the days. :) I used to love that stuff, especially when I actually got it working. :)


    ... Almost everything in life is easier to get into than out of.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to HusTler on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 19:49:00
    On 05-27-19 16:27, HusTler wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Then came "Plug and Play" and we all lost our job. :-(

    It was "Plug and Pray" for a while and took a bit of skill to get it working, but today everything "just works" when you put it all together.


    ... Bedfellows make strange politicians.
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  • From Badopcode@VERT/DHBBS to Hawkeye on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 01:38:05
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Hawkeye to Dan Clough on Mon May 27 2019 10:58 pm

    Especially with DV and OS/2 it was mandatory to get a decent 16550A otherwise you were not able to run multiline.
    Off topic... did anyone ever mess with DesqView/X? Man that software was cool as crap. The rough part is that you had to use Wacom C to write for it. I mean you could do DOS and Win16 natively... but to write to all the cool X stuff you had to have a Wacom compiler. But when it ran Win16 apps it was converting
    it to X Windows so you could serve Windows 3.x apps to a X terminal running Unix.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Hawkeye on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 09:55:47
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Hawkeye to Dan Clough on Mon May 27 2019 10:59 pm

    One of my "great accomplishments" was once adding an external
    multi-disc CDROM drive to add shareware CDs to the BBS's file
    areas. Something the users LOVED, and getting a new CDROM

    I remember getting those shareware CD's at computer shows for 5 bucks. New users would get access to the CD. The "good" users got access to the "good" stuff. My board rang off the hook back then. Today you can watch the tumble weed blow by.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 18:32:00
    I remember those days.. 16550 UARTs, math co-processors, jumpers, and messing >with config.sys and autoexec.bat.. And I remember with MS-DOS 5 (or was it 6?)
    when they added the ability to add menus to config.sys and autoexec.bat so you >could make multiple system configurations to boot up with to run different >software that required different system settings. I thought that was pretty >cool at the time.

    I think it was there with 5.0, but I did not ever use it until 6.22, so
    maybe it was 6. :)

    With 5.0 I always had DV running over top of it. Sometime long after 6.x
    came out, I started using the menus so I could boot into different
    configs and experiment on the same machine with DV, DV/X w/network, DV/X w/o network, MS-DOS with DOS network, very plain MS-DOS so I could run
    Simcity 2000, etc. :D

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 21:32:02
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to HusTler on Tue May 28 2019 07:49 pm

    On 05-27-19 16:27, HusTler wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Then came "Plug and Play" and we all lost our job. :-(

    It was "Plug and Pray" for a while and took a bit of skill to get it working, but today everything "just works" when you put it all together.

    for a quite while plug and play wasnt true plug and play. you had to get drivers for something sometimes.

    i like everything working. i didnt like cracking open a computer to move a jumper to play a certain game.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 18:47:00
    On 05-28-19 21:32, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    for a quite while plug and play wasnt true plug and play. you had to
    get drivers for something sometimes.

    The first real plug and play was simply unreliable. Often it was better to run the configuration tool and run the card in "jumperless mode", and using it like an old school manually jumpered card.

    PCI was the biggest improvement in PnP, though I have had some PCI cards that didn't always behave well.

    i like everything working. i didnt like cracking open a computer to
    move a jumper to play a certain game.

    I had a flip top case, so I could easily get inside back tnen. :D


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Monday, May 27, 2019 10:51:00
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    That was the fun of setting up a new system. Today it's so.... boring!

    I got a second-hand AST Multi-IO card at a swap meet, with the holy
    grail for me at the time, a 16550 UART. A ton of jumpers and no
    documentation. I ended up calling their faxback system, navigating the
    voice menus, and getting a copy of the manual faxed to my work fax
    number.

    That's my "when I was your age, I walked half a mile in the snow to
    school" story.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 10:54:00
    Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    One of my "great accomplishments" was once adding an external
    multi-disc CDROM drive to add shareware CDs to the BBS's file
    areas. Something the users LOVED, and getting a new CDROM
    (NightOwl, etc) was like GOLD. This thing had a SCSI interface
    too, which was not trivial to get working under DOS.

    Offline file libraries were cool - I never got to play with one,
    though. DOS SCSI was simple, I'd claim - you'd use the Adaptec 1520
    cards in desktops for CDROMs and the 1542 to boot or in servers, and
    it was all SCSI-1 with the same connectors and terminators. When you
    got to EISA and PCI SCSI, that's when you'd get wide, narrow,
    SCSI-2/SCSI-3, etc and it got exponentially complicated. I'd always
    have the wrong cable and terminator.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dan Clough on Monday, May 27, 2019 10:58:00
    Dan Clough wrote to Hawkeye <=-

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    It's amazing what you can accomplish when you haven't a clue as to
    what you're doing. I had a clone 8 mhz AT motherboard, desoldered the
    crystal and added a 12 mhz crystal. 150% speed for a trip to
    Radio Shack.



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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 12:31:09
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon May 27 2019 10:51 am

    That's my "when I was your age, I walked half a mile in the snow to school" story.

    Uphill.....Both WAYS!! ;-)

    HusTler
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 09:52:19
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue May 28 2019 09:32 pm

    for a quite while plug and play wasnt true plug and play. you had to get drivers for something sometimes.

    I wouldn't expect the OS to include drivers for all possible devices that
    might be produced. It's nice when things just work though.

    i like everything working. i didnt like cracking open a computer to move a jumper to play a certain game.

    Normally, I don't think you would have had to. Often I think it was possible to configure your devices so they wouldn't have conflicts that would require moving a jumper, but sometimes it might have hard to avoid.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:05:28
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed May 29 2019 06:47 pm

    The first real plug and play was simply unreliable. Often it was better to run the configuration tool and run the card in "jumperless mode", and using it like an old school manually jumpered card.

    One time, around 1996 or 1997, I was running OS/2 for a little while and wanted to upgrade my modem. I bought an internal Cardinal modem from a local mom & pop computer shop, and I think it was a jumperless semi-plug-n-play card. I got it to work with OS/2, but I found that with OS/2's plug-n-play, its settings (COM port and IRQ) could change when the computer rebooted. That wasn't really good, as I'd have to change my software settings every time that happened.

    I brought the modem back to the store to return it, and the guy laughed when I said I was using OS/2. They were a bit sketchy too - At first they said "We don't buy used hardware." I told them I had just bought it from them the day before, and they took it back and wrote me a check for the money (rather than giving cash back).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:08:22
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dan Clough on Mon May 27 2019 10:54 am

    Offline file libraries were cool - I never got to play with one,
    though. DOS SCSI was simple, I'd claim - you'd use the Adaptec 1520
    cards in desktops for CDROMs and the 1542 to boot or in servers, and
    it was all SCSI-1 with the same connectors and terminators. When you
    got to EISA and PCI SCSI, that's when you'd get wide, narrow, SCSI-2/SCSI-3, etc and it got exponentially complicated. I'd always
    have the wrong cable and terminator.

    I had always heard SCSI was better/faster, etc., but in retrospect, SCSI did seem fairly complicated. Around 1998 or 1999, I bought an Adaptec Ultra SCSI-160 controller and (I think) a 4GB SCSI hard drive, but after that, I never bought anything SCSI again. I thought it was a good drive and it was fast, but I don't think it was really cost-effective. I think SATA drives pretty much replaced SCSI eventually.

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 19:48:55
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 29 2019 10:08 am

    I had always heard SCSI was better/faster, etc., but in retrospect, SCSI did seem fairly complicated. Around 1998 or 1999, I bought an Adaptec Ultra SCSI-160 controller and (I think) a 4GB SCSI hard drive, but after that, I never bought anything SCSI again. I thought it was a good drive

    I chose SCSI because you could "Daisy Chain" them. Can't do that with IDE. I had an Amiga back then. It was all SCSI but it was very easy to add drives to an Amiga compared to the IBM compats. Foolin with jumpers and rebootin, repeat. Power off, power on. Reboot, kick it. Say things about someone's mother. I don't know why it too so long to make things easy for consumers.

    HusTler
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 19:13:13
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed May 29 2019 09:52 am

    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue May 28 2019 09:32 pm

    for a quite while plug and play wasnt true plug and play. you had to get drivers for something sometimes.

    I wouldn't expect the OS to include drivers for all possible devices that might be produced. It's nice when things just work though.


    back then plug and play meant you plugged it in and it worked.
    developers as always couldnt agree on things and some wouldnt follow how things were agreed upon.
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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 17:30:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original
    UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    It's amazing what you can accomplish when you haven't a clue as
    to what you're doing. I had a clone 8 mhz AT motherboard,
    desoldered the crystal and added a 12 mhz crystal. 150% speed for
    a trip to Radio Shack.

    Very cool (and brave)!

    On my very first PC, which was a "Kaypro PC", 1986-ish, running
    MSDOS with (2) 360KB 5.25" floppies (and no HD), monochrome video,
    a whopping 512Kb of main memory, I replaced the CPU. The original
    was an Intel 8088 clocked at 4.77Mhz, and I replaced it with the
    NEC V20 (same clock rate) which was a pin-compatible upgrade. Not
    even sure now what was "better" about it, but it did make it seem
    faster. It was a socketed chip so not that big a deal looking
    back at it now, but at the time it was adventurous... :-)



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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 18:46:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That was the fun of setting up a new system. Today it's so.... boring!

    I got a second-hand AST Multi-IO card at a swap meet, with the
    holy grail for me at the time, a 16550 UART. A ton of jumpers and
    no documentation. I ended up calling their faxback system,
    navigating the voice menus, and getting a copy of the manual
    faxed to my work fax number.

    Nice! It's easy to forget nowadays that there was no instant
    Google-search and download a PDF manual back then.

    That's my "when I was your age, I walked half a mile in the snow
    to school" story.

    Only half a mile!? You young whippersnappers had it easy!



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, May 30, 2019 09:35:00
    On 05-27-19 10:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/REALITY
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    That was the fun of setting up a new system. Today it's so.... boring!

    I got a second-hand AST Multi-IO card at a swap meet, with the holy
    grail for me at the time, a 16550 UART. A ton of jumpers and no documentation. I ended up calling their faxback system, navigating the voice menus, and getting a copy of the manual faxed to my work fax
    number.

    That's my "when I was your age, I walked half a mile in the snow to school" story.

    Now that sounds like a fun exercise, classic computing. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, May 30, 2019 09:37:00
    On 05-29-19 10:05, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    One time, around 1996 or 1997, I was running OS/2 for a little while
    and wanted to upgrade my modem. I bought an internal Cardinal modem
    from a local mom & pop computer shop, and I think it was a jumperless semi-plug-n-play card. I got it to work with OS/2, but I found that
    with OS/2's plug-n-play, its settings (COM port and IRQ) could change
    when the computer rebooted. That wasn't really good, as I'd have to change my software settings every time that happened.

    Hmm, that's rather unusual. Every "jumperless" or PnP in jumperless mode card I've seen came with a DOS based utility that would fix the I/O and IRQ settings, when you put it in jumperless mode.

    On OS/2, these cards had to be in jumperless mode. In PnP, OS/2 wouldn't see them at all. Your experience sounds rather unusual.

    I brought the modem back to the store to return it, and the guy laughed when I said I was using OS/2. They were a bit sketchy too - At first
    they said "We don't buy used hardware." I told them I had just bought
    it from them the day before, and they took it back and wrote me a check for the money (rather than giving cash back).

    At least you got your money back - hope the cheque didn't bounce. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 20:37:30
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Wed May 29 2019 07:48 pm

    I chose SCSI because you could "Daisy Chain" them. Can't do that with IDE.

    Well with IDE you sort-of could. Each IDE channel supported up to 2 devices. But yeah, you had to configure one as a "master" and the other as a "slave", and from what I remember, only one could be accessed by the system at a time. So it wasn't very good to have both a hard drive and a CD burner on the same IDE channel.

    I had an Amiga back then. It was all SCSI but it was very easy to add drives to an Amiga compared to the IBM compats. Foolin with jumpers and rebootin, repeat. Power off, power on. Reboot, kick it. Say things about someone's mother. I don't know why it too so long to make things easy for consumers.

    Sometimes technology takes time to progress. Technology goes through its various versions and tends to get easier over time. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 20:41:43
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu May 30 2019 09:37 am

    One time, around 1996 or 1997, I was running OS/2 for a little while
    and wanted to upgrade my modem. I bought an internal Cardinal modem
    from a local mom & pop computer shop, and I think it was a
    jumperless semi-plug-n-play card. I got it to work with OS/2, but I
    found that with OS/2's plug-n-play, its settings (COM port and IRQ)
    could change when the computer rebooted. That wasn't really good,
    as I'd have to change my software settings every time that happened.

    Hmm, that's rather unusual. Every "jumperless" or PnP in jumperless mode card I've seen came with a DOS based utility that would fix the I/O and IRQ settings, when you put it in jumperless mode.

    On OS/2, these cards had to be in jumperless mode. In PnP, OS/2 wouldn't see them at all. Your experience sounds rather unusual.

    Maybe I wasn't configuring it properly.. Once I started to have that issue with it, I just decided to return it and get more of a real hardware-configurable modem that wouldn't do that. For internal modems, I ended up sticking with US Robotics, since they still made jumper-configurable internal modems into the late 90s. They weren't WinModems either, they were real hardware modems.

    I brought the modem back to the store to return it, and the guy
    laughed when I said I was using OS/2. They were a bit sketchy too -
    At first they said "We don't buy used hardware." I told them I had
    just bought it from them the day before, and they took it back and
    wrote me a check for the money (rather than giving cash back).

    At least you got your money back - hope the cheque didn't bounce. :)

    It didn't bounce. :) It was a weird experience though. That store ended up closing not too long after that.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 22:03:08
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Dan Clough to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 29 2019 05:30 pm

    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Indeed! I actually bought a few 16550's and replaced the original UARTs (8250's) when modem speeds got up to 9600 and above. Huge improvement on throughput. I once also added a math coprocessor
    to a motherboard. ;-)

    It's amazing what you can accomplish when you haven't a clue as
    to what you're doing. I had a clone 8 mhz AT motherboard,
    desoldered the crystal and added a 12 mhz crystal. 150% speed for
    a trip to Radio Shack.

    Very cool (and brave)!

    On my very first PC, which was a "Kaypro PC", 1986-ish, running
    MSDOS with (2) 360KB 5.25" floppies (and no HD), monochrome video,
    a whopping 512Kb of main memory, I replaced the CPU. The original
    was an Intel 8088 clocked at 4.77Mhz, and I replaced it with the
    NEC V20 (same clock rate) which was a pin-compatible upgrade. Not
    even sure now what was "better" about it, but it did make it seem
    faster.

    Apparently, faster effective address calculation, along with faster loop counters, shift registers and multiplier (according to Wikipedia). I had a few of them too, but only after any less than 12 MHz was considered "way slow".

    It was a socketed chip so not that big a deal looking
    back at it now, but at the time it was adventurous... :-)

    I know what you mean. I learned early on that even replacing socketed chips was no "no brainer" as an 80387 can be inserted in multiple orientations and only one of those orientations won't result in the chip "releasing its smoke". :-(

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, May 30, 2019 18:41:00
    On 05-29-19 20:41, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Maybe I wasn't configuring it properly.. Once I started to have that issue with it, I just decided to return it and get more of a real

    Yes, you'd normally have to run a DOS utility to configure it.

    hardware-configurable modem that wouldn't do that. For internal
    modems, I ended up sticking with US Robotics, since they still made jumper-configurable internal modems into the late 90s. They weren't WinModems either, they were real hardware modems.

    I just went external as the years went by. :)

    At least you got your money back - hope the cheque didn't bounce. :)

    It didn't bounce. :) It was a weird experience though. That store
    ended up closing not too long after that.

    Lucky. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dan Clough on Thursday, May 30, 2019 18:56:00
    On 05-29-19 17:30, Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    On my very first PC, which was a "Kaypro PC", 1986-ish, running
    MSDOS with (2) 360KB 5.25" floppies (and no HD), monochrome video,
    a whopping 512Kb of main memory, I replaced the CPU. The original
    was an Intel 8088 clocked at 4.77Mhz, and I replaced it with the
    NEC V20 (same clock rate) which was a pin-compatible upgrade. Not
    even sure now what was "better" about it, but it did make it seem
    faster. It was a socketed chip so not that big a deal looking
    back at it now, but at the time it was adventurous... :-)

    2 things:

    1. The V20 was slightly faster, enough to be noticed and measured.

    2. The V20 was capable of running 8080 instructions, which made CP/M emulation easy. Only issue was a lot of CP/M systems ran on the Z80, which meant some apps wouldn't work on the 8080 or emulation, because the Z80 had extra instructions.


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  • From Badopcode@VERT/DHBBS to MRO on Thursday, May 30, 2019 02:45:49
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue May 28 2019 09:32 pm

    for a quite while plug and play wasnt true plug and play. you had to get drivers for something sometimes.
    i like everything working. i didnt like cracking open a computer to move a

    Well MS made a killing locking everything down with their driver system. They would on purpose rile competitors to fight with each other and than sell them their stupid driver crap to protect trade secrets. Took forever for the industry to chill out.

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Thursday, May 30, 2019 08:36:00
    Digital Man wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On my very first PC, which was a "Kaypro PC", 1986-ish, running
    MSDOS with (2) 360KB 5.25" floppies (and no HD), monochrome video,
    a whopping 512Kb of main memory, I replaced the CPU. The original
    was an Intel 8088 clocked at 4.77Mhz, and I replaced it with the
    NEC V20 (same clock rate) which was a pin-compatible upgrade. Not
    even sure now what was "better" about it, but it did make it seem
    faster.

    Apparently, faster effective address calculation, along with
    faster loop counters, shift registers and multiplier (according
    to Wikipedia). I had a few of them too, but only after any less
    than 12 MHz was considered "way slow".

    Ahhh, 12 MHz. I can remember wishing to one day be able to own
    such a magnificent beast.

    That was the big dividing line back then as I recall, between an
    XT and an AT (4.77 vs 12). Also maybe the AT was an 80286 CPU....
    can't remember for sure.

    It was a socketed chip so not that big a deal looking
    back at it now, but at the time it was adventurous... :-)

    I know what you mean. I learned early on that even replacing
    socketed chips was no "no brainer" as an 80387 can be inserted in
    multiple orientations and only one of those orientations won't
    result in the chip "releasing its smoke". :-(

    Hahaha, yep! Hate it when that happens.



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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Thursday, May 30, 2019 08:42:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On my very first PC, which was a "Kaypro PC", 1986-ish, running
    MSDOS with (2) 360KB 5.25" floppies (and no HD), monochrome video,
    a whopping 512Kb of main memory, I replaced the CPU. The original
    was an Intel 8088 clocked at 4.77Mhz, and I replaced it with the
    NEC V20 (same clock rate) which was a pin-compatible upgrade. Not
    even sure now what was "better" about it, but it did make it seem
    faster. It was a socketed chip so not that big a deal looking
    back at it now, but at the time it was adventurous... :-)

    2 things:

    1. The V20 was slightly faster, enough to be noticed and
    measured.

    2. The V20 was capable of running 8080 instructions, which made
    CP/M emulation easy. Only issue was a lot of CP/M systems ran on
    the Z80, which meant some apps wouldn't work on the 8080 or
    emulation, because the Z80 had extra instructions.

    I just missed the CP/M era and never used it. IIRC, the Kaypro
    mentioned above ran MS-DOS version 2.<something> (maybe 2.11?). I
    ran various versions of DOS for several years and then moved on to
    Windows (3.11?) and later W95, and finally Linux. Never jumped
    onto the OS/2 wagon either, although I have seen it running on a
    friend's computer. Pretty much all Linux here now.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAN CLOUGH on Friday, May 31, 2019 19:15:00
    That was the big dividing line back then as I recall, between an
    XT and an AT (4.77 vs 12). Also maybe the AT was an 80286 CPU....
    can't remember for sure.

    It was, indeed, a 286.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dan Clough on Friday, May 31, 2019 13:18:00
    On 05-30-19 08:42, Dan Clough wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I just missed the CP/M era and never used it. IIRC, the Kaypro

    I first encountered CP/M on the Apple //e (with Z80 card), and later used it on a Microbee (Aussie Z80 based machine).

    mentioned above ran MS-DOS version 2.<something> (maybe 2.11?). I
    ran various versions of DOS for several years and then moved on to
    Windows (3.11?) and later W95, and finally Linux. Never jumped
    onto the OS/2 wagon either, although I have seen it running on a
    friend's computer. Pretty much all Linux here now.

    I started on PC/MS-DOS 2.x, though I did occasionally see DOS 1.0 in the wild, worked up through DOS versions, then Windows 3.x and OS/2. Later went to Windows NT and Linux. Today it's a mix of Windows and Linux.


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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to VK3JED on Saturday, June 01, 2019 03:25:00
    That feeling is such a buzz. I remember when I got my "bbs.bat" working with
    BinkleyTerm and RA unattended. Talk about a feeling of achievement. :) Then I
    got Fidonet working - tosser, netmail packer, outbound manager, etc. And later, on my point, I added GIGO and UUPC to my systems. :)
    Getting WWIV and Fidonet working was crazy times. People in my area
    thought i was freaky for going FTN.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sunday, June 02, 2019 19:54:00
    On 06-01-19 03:25, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    Getting WWIV and Fidonet working was crazy times. People in my area thought i was freaky for going FTN.

    But you did it. :)


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to HusTler on Monday, June 03, 2019 19:44:11
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: HusTler to Dan Clough on Mon May 27 2019 16:27:27

    Then came "Plug and Play" and we all lost our job. :-(

    For me this was the beginning of consultancy troubleshooting... the new university graduates do not understand what to do and how to start troubleshooting and solving an issue is magic to them.
    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Monday, June 03, 2019 19:47:23
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to Dan Clough on Mon May 27 2019 21:53:17

    messing with config.sys and autoexec.bat.. And I remember with MS-DOS 5 (or was it 6?) when they added the ability to add menus to config.sys and

    Yeah forgot about that, that was awesome! CONFIG=1 or something....
    HAWKEYE

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Badopcode on Monday, June 03, 2019 19:50:05
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Badopcode to Hawkeye on Tue May 28 2019 01:38:05

    Off topic... did anyone ever mess with DesqView/X? Man that software was cool as crap. The rough part is that you had to use Wacom C to write for it. I mean you could do DOS and Win16 natively... but to write to all the cool X stuff you had to have a Wacom compiler. But when it ran Win16 apps it was converting it to X Windows so you could serve Windows 3.x apps to a X terminal running Unix.

    I did run it because it was new and looked cool. It was the future, as in being able to run X terminal... but I never used those features, my friends didnt either. Some went back to DV without the X for faster BBS. After that the most I knew at that time went to OS/2
    HAWKEYE

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Monday, June 03, 2019 16:52:40
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Mon Jun 03 2019 07:47 pm

    messing with config.sys and autoexec.bat.. And I remember with
    MS-DOS 5 (or was it 6?) when they added the ability to add menus to
    config.sys and

    Yeah forgot about that, that was awesome! CONFIG=1 or something....

    I don't remember a CONFIG=1, but I remember adding multiple sections to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT, so that on bootup, MS-DOS would show a menu of boot configurations that you could choose from (and you could have a default too, I think).

    Nightfox

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Sunday, June 09, 2019 17:10:28
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Mon Jun 03 2019 16:52:40

    of boot configurations that you could choose from (and you could have a default too, I think).

    Yeah, with a timeout... but that was maybe later... too long ago lol
    HAWKEYE

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Sunday, July 14, 2019 14:24:55
    Re: Re: Hey how goes!?
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Wed May 29 2019 04:37 pm

    I chose SCSI because you could "Daisy Chain" them. Can't do that with IDE.
    Well with IDE you sort-of could. Each IDE channel supported up to 2

    I had an Amiga back then. It was all SCSI but it was very easy to add drives to an Amiga compared to the IBM compats. Foolin with jumpers and

    Sometimes technology takes time to progress. Technology goes through its various versions and tends to get easier over time. :)

    It didn't take long for me to realize I dug a hole for myself when the IBM compats showed up. If I switched I would no longer be limited to upgrades made for Amiga. I could go to computer shows and build my own machine. Got my first mother board for 100 bucks from one vendor and a 1mg memory chip for 80. The case was 15. A HD for the Amiga was a min $500 bucks. What a difference.


    HusTler
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