I have been hearing on the news that the Califirnia wildfires has claimed about 30 lives. I know we have a few people active on DOVE-Net that are from California.

I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected you out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

May you be safe.

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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Jagossel to All on Mon Nov 12 2018 07:28 am

I have been hearing on the news that the Califirnia wildfires has claimed about 30 lives. I know we have a few people active on DOVE-Net that are from California.

I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected you out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

May you be safe.

Thanks. California has always been a big BBSing state. Luckily, so far, I haven't heard of any boards (or sysops) being lost due to the fires that seem to be increasing each year in furosity and frequency. :-(

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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Jagossel to All on Mon Nov 12 2018 07:28 am

I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected you out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

I live out on the coast near Santa Cruz. We just got back from a trip to Lake Tahoe, and the smoke in the air in some places is horrendous. Driving through Sacramento, the sun was an angry red ball at mid-day, and people drove with their headlights on as a precaution. My eyes are red and my throat scratchy from passing through. I couldn't imagine living there now. There's a shelter in place warning in many places now just for the smoke.

And this is *nowhere* near the fires.

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I live out on the coast near Santa Cruz. We just got back from a trip
to Lake Tahoe, and the smoke in the air in some places is horrendous. Driving through Sacramento, the sun was an angry red ball at mid-day,
and people drove with their headlights on as a precaution. My eyes
are red and my throat scratchy from passing through. I couldn't
imagine living there now. There's a shelter in place warning in many
places now just for the smoke.

And this is *nowhere* near the fires.

It can be pretty scary living near a bushfire especially the big ones and especially if you live in a remote area. I haven't seen much news on the California ones apart from on facebook (I don't watch a lot of news) but
hope everyone is safe.

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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Jagossel to All on Mon Nov 12 2018 07:28 am

I have been hearing on the news that the Califirnia wildfires has claimed about 30 lives. I know we have a few people active on DOVE-Net that are from California.

I think Rob a.k.a Digitalman is from Cali and maybe Duece?
probably not in the affected fire zones tho.


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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Jagossel to All on Mon Nov 12 2018 07:28:00

I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected you out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

Thanks. Doing OK here...

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I live out on the coast near Santa Cruz. We just got back from a trip
to Lake Tahoe, and the smoke in the air in some places is horrendous. Driving through Sacramento, the sun was an angry red ball at mid-day,
and people drove with their headlights on as a precaution. My eyes
are red and my throat scratchy from passing through. I couldn't
imagine living there now. There's a shelter in place warning in many places now just for the smoke.

And this is *nowhere* near the fires.

I read or heard a report today which suggested that PG&E (the local
utility) might be responsible for this latest blaze. They were apparently aware that their lines through the area where the fire started were
sparking.

I did not realize this, either, but the story also made mention that at
times when the fire danger is high sometimes the power is purposefully
turned off to certain areas in order to prevent the high-tension wires from causing fires?

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Re: RE: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfi
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Nov 13 2018 06:37 pm

I read or heard a report today which suggested that PG&E (the local utility) might be responsible for this latest blaze. They were apparently aware that their lines through the area where the fire started were sparking.

They've had a history of issues; a gas main fire in San Bruno, CA killed 8 people, injured 58 and destroyed many homes, and a fire last year was attributed to their power lines.

Their response has been to lobby for liability limits, running some lame ads on TV for damage control, and some testing of their gas and electrical infrastructure.

They'll probably just shuffle money to PGE Corp, their parent company, render the company assetless and file for bankrupcy again. They did the same thing back in the early 2000s, offloading billions to the parent company before filing for bankrupcy.

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Re: RE: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 14 2018 07:38 am

I read or heard a report today which suggested that PG&E (the local

They'll probably just shuffle money to PGE Corp, their parent company,

I first saw some mentions of PG&E several years ago and was a little confused becaue the name is a lot like my electric utility company, PGE (Portland General Electric).

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Re: RE: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfi
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Nov 13 2018 06:37 pm

And this is *nowhere* near the fires.

I read or heard a report today which suggested that PG&E (the local
utility) might be responsible for this latest blaze. They were apparently aware that their lines through the area where the fire started were

i think it's people tossing cig butts out windows or sometimes there's a firebug creating these fires.
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On 11-14-18 07:38, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

They've had a history of issues; a gas main fire in San Bruno, CA
killed 8 people, injured 58 and destroyed many homes, and a fire last
year was attributed to their power lines.

Their response has been to lobby for liability limits, running some
lame ads on TV for damage control, and some testing of their gas and electrical infrastructure.

They'll probably just shuffle money to PGE Corp, their parent company, render the company assetless and file for bankrupcy again. They did the same thing back in the early 2000s, offloading billions to the parent company before filing for bankrupcy.

Ouch, that's bad. Here in Australia, in the wake of such fires, the Federal government would setup a Royal Commission to investigate what happened, and make recommendations to prevent something similat happening in the future. Royal Commissions are a judicial inquiry and have far reaching powers. Witnesses can be compelled to testify, and criminal charges can arise if parties are deemed to be culpable.

This is exactly what happened after the 2009 "Black Saturday" fires here, and the outcome of the royal commission into the fires led to major changes in how our emergency services operate, how public warnings are issued and many other aspects of emergency management. The causes of each fire were different (including arson). One was sparked by powerlines. I do recall after the inquiry, that there were some court cases for damages against several entities.

Powerlines starting fires has become less common here since the 1980s, because of the Ash Wednesday fires of 1983, which were mostly started by powerlines. The resulting inquiry after those fires led to a lot of work being done to reduce the risk of powerline ignited fires.

Over here, if a company tried to duck their responsibility through financial shuffling, I wouldn't be surprised to see the inquiry refer the executives of those involved for criminal prosecution. Sure, it's not perfect here either, and there's all sorts of screwups, but we do take fires seriously.


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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Jagossel to All on Mon Nov 12 2018 07:28 am

I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected

ou

out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

I live out on the coast near Santa Cruz. We just got back from a trip
to Lake Tahoe, and the smoke in the air in some places is horrendous. Driving through Sacramento, the sun was an angry red ball at mid-day,
and people drove with their headlights on as a precaution. My eyes are
red and my throat scratchy from passing through. I couldn't imagine
living there now. There's a shelter in place warning in many places now just for the smoke.

And this is *nowhere* near the fires.

We live in the Motherlode near Sonora and Angels Camp and have been
smoked in most days. I work in Stockton and it seems like dusk during the
day. We've been lucky with no fires in our area.



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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I live out on the coast near Santa Cruz. We just got back from a trip
to Lake Tahoe, and the smoke in the air in some places is horrendous. Driving through Sacramento, the sun was an angry red ball at mid-day, and people drove with their headlights on as a precaution. My eyes
are red and my throat scratchy from passing through. I couldn't
imagine living there now. There's a shelter in place warning in many places now just for the smoke.

And this is *nowhere* near the fires.

I read or heard a report today which suggested that PG&E (the local utility) might be responsible for this latest blaze. They were
apparently aware that their lines through the area where the fire
started were sparking.

I did not realize this, either, but the story also made mention that at times when the fire danger is high sometimes the power is purposefully turned off to certain areas in order to prevent the high-tension wires from causing fires?

A few weeks ago it was shut off to 60,000 or so people and businesses during a red flag warning. It was off for days. People lost food, businesses lost income....



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Re: RE: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfi
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 14 2018 03:58 pm

i think it's people tossing cig butts out windows or sometimes there's a firebug creating these fires.

There was a big fire in the Columbia Reiver Gorge east of Portland, OR last year (which included damage to trees in public parks, among other things), and they said the fire was started by a teenager who threw a firework into the forest. He was sentenced with 5 years of probation and must pay a $36 million fine. While I agree he should be sentenced with something, I'm not sure where the average teenager is going to get that much money over their lifetime. Most people never have that much money.

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I read or heard a report today which suggested that PG&E (the local utility) might be responsible for this latest blaze. They were apparently aware that their lines through the area where the fire started were

i think it's people tossing cig butts out windows or sometimes there's a firebug creating these fires.

That was my assumption also. Damn firebugs.

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I did not realize this, either, but the story also made mention that at times when the fire danger is high sometimes the power is purposefully turned off to certain areas in order to prevent the high-tension wires from causing fires?

A few weeks ago it was shut off to 60,000 or so people and businesses during a >red flag warning. It was off for days. People lost food, businesses lost >income....

I thought about that, too. It does not sound like a very good long-term
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They'll probably just shuffle money to PGE Corp, their parent company, render the company assetless and file for bankrupcy again. They did the same thing back in the early 2000s, offloading billions to the parent company before filing for bankrupcy.

I think a couple of the utilities in the local area are PGE owned. That
does not make me feel too good about them. :(

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There was a big fire in the Columbia Reiver Gorge east of Portland, OR last >year (which included damage to trees in public parks, among other things), and >they said the fire was started by a teenager who threw a firework into the >forest.

The Gatlinburg fire two years ago was started by a couple of teenagers... apparently with rich parents, unfortunately.

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I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected you out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

Im from a part that not likely will get burned, but it always makes me
think about buying a fire resistant box so i can put my birth
certificate and other critical items.

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Thanks. California has always been a big BBSing state. Luckily, so far, I haven't heard of any boards (or sysops) being lost due to the fires that seem
to be increasing each year in furosity and frequency. :-(

I know that Corona/Norco had issues several months ago, but hopefully
the neighborhood will be calm for awhile.

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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Matthew Munson to JAGOSSEL on Sun Nov 18 2018 11:34 am

Im from a part that not likely will get burned, but it always makes me think about buying a fire resistant box so i can put my birth
certificate and other critical items.

We're all dealing with smoke, here, though - particulate counts are off the charts in areas that aren't affected by fire, San Francisco was setting up fresh air shelters - I'm sure mall traffic has increased greatly while people try to get out of the smoky air!

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I hope you all are okay out there and that the wildfire hasn't effected y

>-> out there. I was thinking about our California friends on DOVE-Net.

>Im from a part that not likely will get burned, but it always makes me
>think about buying a fire resistant box so i can put my birth
>certificate and other critical items.

Good idea, and you should do that now. Waiting to get one until there's
a fire is..... well, you know.

A quality safe would be a lot better than a "fire resistant box".


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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Dan Clough to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Nov 19 2018 10:17 am

Good idea, and you should do that now. Waiting to get one until there's
a fire is..... well, you know.

A quality safe would be a lot better than a "fire resistant box".

i prefer to live in an area that isnt on fire every year
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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: MRO to Dan Clough on Mon Nov 19 2018 04:23 pm

i prefer to live in an area that isnt on fire every year

You'll probably still deal with something wherever you live. In the US, depending on where you live, you could deal with fires, earthquakes, potential volcanoes erupting, icy cold winters, tornadoes, hurricanes, muggy hot/humid summers, etc..

Nightfox

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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Nov 19 2018 04:13 pm

Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: MRO to Dan Clough on Mon Nov 19 2018 04:23 pm

i prefer to live in an area that isnt on fire every year

You'll probably still deal with something wherever you live. In the US, depending on where you live, you could deal with fires, earthquakes, potential volcanoes erupting, icy cold winters, tornadoes, hurricanes, muggy hot/humid summers, etc..

nope. 41 years old. lived in the same place my whole life. no problems.
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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 19 2018 08:28 pm

US, depending on where you live, you could deal with fires,
earthquakes, potential volcanoes erupting, icy cold winters,
tornadoes, hurricanes, muggy hot/humid summers, etc..

nope. 41 years old. lived in the same place my whole life. no problems.

I seem to recall you live in the upper midwest, Wisconsin or around there? It can get fairly cold up there, but to each their own.

Nightfox

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Nightfox, to MRO...

i prefer to live in an area that isnt on fire every year

You'll probably still deal with something wherever you live. In the
US, depending on where you live, you could deal with fires,
earthquakes, potential volcanoes erupting, icy cold winters, tornadoes, hurricanes, muggy hot/humid summers, etc..

Isn't that the truth: there is, really, no place to go that isn't going to have some natueal disaster of some kind.

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Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Nov 19 2018 10:30 pm

earthquakes, potential volcanoes erupting, icy cold winters,
tornadoes, hurricanes, muggy hot/humid summers, etc..

nope. 41 years old. lived in the same place my whole life. no problems.

I seem to recall you live in the upper midwest, Wisconsin or around there? It can get fairly cold up there, but to each their own.

i'm in se wisconsin. it's not really cold here much. minnesota is cold as hell. in wisconsin it's pretty mild and we only get snow a few times during the winter.
february is the coldest month.
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Re: Re: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfires
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Tue Nov 20 2018 05:50 am

Isn't that the truth: there is, really, no place to go that isn't going to have some natueal disaster of some kind.

i'd still rather not live in an area that is on fire every year.
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Good idea, and you should do that now. Waiting to get one

> > until there's a fire is..... well, you know.

A quality safe would be a lot better than a "fire resistant box".

i prefer to live in an area that isnt on fire every year

Yes, that sounds like a good idea too... :-)


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Re: RE: Fall 2018 Cali Wildfi
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Nov 14 2018 03:33 pm

There was a big fire in the Columbia Reiver Gorge east of Portland, OR last year (which included damage to trees in public parks, among other things), a they said the fire was started by a teenager who threw a firework into the forest. He was sentenced with 5 years of probation and must pay a $36 milli fine. While I agree he should be sentenced with something, I'm not sure whe the average teenager is going to get that much money over their lifetime. M people never have that much money.

They hated the smoke from the fires, that they promesed to be as severe as possable and inflict the maximum sentence, to whomever broke the law in the park. That youngster is going to have to consider spending some money on a laywer, in that case.

-porosz

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