• Since you're all talking about cars

    From Pparker@VERT/OUTWEST to All on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 00:31:34
    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Pparker on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 10:45:51
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Pparker to All on Tue Oct 09 2018 12:31 am

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 12:00:20
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Tue Oct 09 2018 10:45 am

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written
    test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never
    touched the process again.

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

    I didn't bother to get my driver's license until I was almost 22. Before that, I usually took public transportation to where I needed to go. I almost forgot I could get my driver's permit when I was 15 and license when I was 16.. I guess it wasn't much of a priority for me at the time. I was in walking distance from my high school and walking distance from where I worked at the time, and when I started college, I happened to live on a street that was part of a bus line that went to my college.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 13:28:22
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Tue Oct 09 2018 12:00 pm

    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Tue Oct 09 2018 10:45 am

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written
    test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never
    touched the process again.

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

    I didn't bother to get my driver's license until I was almost 22. Before that, I usually took public transportation to where I needed to go. I almost forgot I could get my driver's permit when I was 15 and license when I was 16.. I guess it wasn't much of a priority for me at the time. I was in walking distance from my high school and walking distance from where I worked at the time, and when I started college, I happened to live on a street that was part of a bus line that went to my college.

    Public transportation is great when it's available (saves the environment and saves you $$$), but in Southern California, at least, public transportation is pretty limited. There are conspiracy theories about how/why that came to be, but it's just a fact. We are a car culture, at least here in (most of) California.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 16:16:00
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Oct 09 2018 01:28 pm

    Public transportation is great when it's available (saves the environment and saves you $$$), but in Southern California, at least, public transportation is pretty limited. There are conspiracy theories about how/why that came to be, but it's just a fact. We are a car culture, at least here in (most of) California.

    Yeah, some places in the US are more car cultures than other places. There is a culture here of both public transportation and driving your own car.
    Some time ago, I heard my area (Portland, OR metro area) had the highest-rated public transit system in the US. I was a little surprised, since we don't even have a subway system (which I'd think might help, so that road traffic doesn't have to stop for the light rail trains). Building a subway system would be very expensive though, so I can understand why we don't have one. They have continued to expand our light rail train service over time though, which is useful.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Pparker on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:32:00
    On 10-09-18 00:31, Pparker wrote to All <=-

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    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written
    test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

    Hmm, I never had any issues with the written proccess, even though the pass mark was very high (like > 90% to pass the test). The practical was a bit closer, but I still passed it and haven't looked back.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:33:00
    On 10-09-18 10:45, Digital Man wrote to Pparker <=-

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

    Similar in Australia, but I do know a number of people who never got their licence for one reason or another.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:40:00
    On 10-09-18 12:00, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

    I didn't bother to get my driver's license until I was almost 22.

    I was almost 22 as well when I got mine.

    Before that, I usually took public transportation to where I needed to
    go. I almost forgot I could get my driver's permit when I was 15 and license when I was 16.. I guess it wasn't much of a priority for me at

    Here, you can get your learners permit at 16 (might have been 17 back when I was that age) and licence at 18. Initially it wasn't a priority. Not a lot of public transport where I lived, just the train to Melbourne and other places along the line. I cycled all over the place though, the bicycle was my main form of transportation. But eventually the desire to be able to reach more far off places tempted my to get my licence.

    the time. I was in walking distance from my high school and walking distance from where I worked at the time, and when I started college, I happened to live on a street that was part of a bus line that went to
    my college.

    At school, I had a school bus that stopped at the front gate, and for university, I was able to walk to the station and catch the train in. Due to cost and traffic, driving didn't offer much advantage at the time, especially with the combination of student concession and long term tickets, which really cut the cost of the train (down to something like $8.50/week for the 90-100 mile round trip that I made 5 days/week).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:49:00
    On 10-09-18 13:28, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Public transportation is great when it's available (saves the
    environment and saves you $$$), but in Southern California, at least, public transportation is pretty limited. There are conspiracy theories about how/why that came to be, but it's just a fact. We are a car
    culture, at least here in (most of) California.

    Where I am, public transport is hit and miss. We have an excellent train service to Melbourne, though unless you have a concession or travel frequently enough to buy a long term pass, it can be a little expensive. But if you're travelling to the CBD of Melbourne, you'll still be better off, because parking costs down there are quite high these days. For anywhere close to the centre of Melbourne, the train is the way to go. There are trains to a couple of other places in different directions (further from Melbourne), but only a couple per day, better suited to overnight trips or longer. The government is working on upgrading these lines, so trains can be both faster and more frequent. They are also getting the new trains built to run on these lines.

    In other directions, there are buses, again usually only a couple per day at most. I've never caught any of these buses, but they apparently do the job.

    Locally, there's a range of bus services all over town. I can walk to stops on at least 4 bus routes within 5-10 minutes. The problem with the buses is they are at best a service every 30 minutes, so they don't offer any advantage to me most of the time. Im physically capable of walking into the middle of town from here within 30 minutes (and enjoy the walk), so there's a fair chance I can get there quicker than the bus, especially when you factor on walking time at both ends and waiting time. And if I need to get into town faster, either driving or cycling will beat the buses hands down.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Pparker on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 21:48:10
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Pparker to All on Tue Oct 09 2018 12:31 am

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.


    thank you for your confession. now get a drivers license.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 21:52:55
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Tue Oct 09 2018 10:45 am

    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Pparker to All on Tue Oct 09 2018 12:31 am

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.



    it's probably more common in areas that are more centralized. my area is very centeralized and i can get everything i want within a 2-5 mile radius.

    where my fiance's father lives [virginia], it's an hour or more drive to get to ANYTHING. and he lives in an affluent area.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 20:40:35
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Oct 09 2018 09:52 pm

    where my fiance's father lives [virginia], it's an hour or more drive to get to ANYTHING. and he lives in an affluent area.

    She should get a paternity test! :-P

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 23:28:15
    Re: Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Vk3jed to Pparker on Wed Oct 10 2018 11:32 am

    On 10-09-18 00:31, Pparker wrote to All <=-

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    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

    Hmm, I never had any issues with the written proccess, even though the pass mark was very high (like > 90% to pass the test). The practical was a bit closer, but I still passed it and haven't looked back.


    in my state you take a computer test and if you dont pass it you keep going through it. then you take a driving test. anybody can pass this shit.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 23:31:35
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Oct 09 2018 08:40 pm

    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Oct 09 2018 09:52 pm

    where my fiance's father lives [virginia], it's an hour or more drive to get to ANYTHING. and he lives in an affluent area.

    She should get a paternity test! :-P


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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 09:56:10
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Tue Oct 09 2018 10:45:51

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed, and never touched the process again.

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

    Eh, I know quite a few people, in New York or Philly, that never bothered to get a license because they just didn't need one. I don't really agree with them on that, but I can see how you could get by without one, presuming you don't really go anywhere and have constant access to public transit.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Derision on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 13:02:55
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Derision to Digital Man on Wed Oct 10 2018 09:56 am

    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

    Eh, I know quite a few people, in New York or Philly, that never bothered to get a license because they just didn't need one. I don't really agree with them on that, but I can see how you could get by without one, presuming you don't really go anywhere and have constant access to public transit.

    I've never visited New York (I've only had a layover at the JFK airport once), but TV shows and movies tend to portray New York City as having a large number of taxis, and there's the subway system too. Seems to me that one could potentially get by in New York without a driver's license, if you don't mind paying taxi fees and paying for transit tickets a lot.. Not sure how true that would be though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 14:51:49
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Wed Oct 10 2018 13:02:55

    I've never visited New York (I've only had a layover at the JFK airport once), but TV shows and movies tend to portray New York City as having a large number of taxis, and there's the subway system too. Seems to me that one could potentially get by in New York without a driver's license, if you don't mind paying taxi fees and paying for transit tickets a lot.. Not sure how true that would be though.

    I think that the cost of just owning a car in the city would far surpass the costs of relying on public transportation. There are very few places to park a vehicle, and if you can find a garage or something, there are generally exhorbitant fees just to keep the thing there.

    Now, I don't like the feeling of being stuck, or not even having the option to use my car, so I don't think I could be without a license... but for people that spend 99% of the time in the middle of a city, where just about everything is within walking distance, it probably isn't that big a deal.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Thursday, October 11, 2018 08:48:00
    On 10-09-18 23:28, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    in my state you take a computer test and if you dont pass it you keep going through it. then you take a driving test. anybody can pass this shit.

    I don't know how they do the test these days, but when I did it, you had to get 30 or more out of 32 right, or you didn't get your licence and would have to come back another time and re-sit the test. The practical was scored by an assessor, and your points had to add up to a certain value, and you also had to not make any major errors, which were instant failure (things like going through stop signs, red lights, dangerous turns (i.e. failing to give way to traffic), etc.


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  • From Zazz@VERT/PBSYNC to Vk3jed on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 17:38:48
    Re: Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Wed Oct 10 2018 11:33:00

    I never even bothered getting a driver's license. I took the
    written test years ago in, like, tenth grade or something, failed,
    and never touched the process again.
    That would be highly unusual, at least here in the continental U.S.

    Similar in Australia, but I do know a number of people who never got their licence for one reason or another.

    New York City as an example the majority do not own cars or have a license. If they cannot get to where you want them to via public transportation, then they don't want to go. I know, I was an employer in a town just outside of the city they were not interested.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Zazz on Thursday, October 11, 2018 14:02:00
    On 10-10-18 17:38, Zazz wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    New York City as an example the majority do not own cars or have a license. If they cannot get to where you want them to via public transportation, then they don't want to go. I know, I was an employer
    in a town just outside of the city they were not interested.

    If you live in the inner parts of the big cities like Sydney or Melbourne, you generally don't need a car. Public transport, especially the trams in Melbourne, is quite good and will meet almost all your needs. For the rest (mostly special trips away), you simply rent a car or go with friends.

    But here is not big enough for that saturation level of public transport, and a car is needed, though the shorter distances and more relaxed lifestyle make a bicycle a practical option too.


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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to Derision on Thursday, October 11, 2018 08:30:50
    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Derision to Nightfox on Wed Oct 10 2018 02:51 pm

    Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Wed Oct 10 2018 13:02:55

    I've never visited New York (I've only had a layover at the JFK airport once), but TV shows and movies tend to portray New York City as having a large number of taxis, and there's the subway system too. Seems to me that one could potentially get by in New York without a driver's license, if you don't mind paying taxi fees and paying for transit tickets a lot.. Not sure how true that would be though.

    I think that the cost of just owning a car in the city would far surpass the costs of relying on public transportation. There are very few places to park a vehicle, and if you can find a garage or something, there are generally exhorbitant fees just to keep the thing there.

    Now, I don't like the feeling of being stuck, or not even having the option to use my car, so I don't think I could be without a license... but for people that spend 99% of the time in the middle of a city, where just about everything is within walking distance, it probably isn't that big a deal.


    I live in Colorado and recently started working right in the middle of downtown Denver. For those who haven't been here, Denver is large city (in Colorado terms). Driving a car and commuting there is just a pain in the ass. Its not even worth it. The traffic is just awful and parking can cost an upward of $250 a month.

    However, commuting with a bike to downtown Denver just rocks! The HOV lane is free, which lets you bypass the traffic. Also, many covered parking garages let motorcycles park for free. They have spaces set aside just for motorcycles. I just wish lane splitting was legal here.

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Vk3jed on Sunday, October 14, 2018 17:57:45
    Re: Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Thu Oct 11 2018 08:48:00

    in my state you take a computer test and if you dont pass it you keep going through it. then you take a driving test. anybody can pass this shit.

    I don't know how they do the test these days, but when I did it, you had to get 30 or more out of 32 right, or you didn't get your licence and would have to come back another time and re-sit the test. The practical was scored by an assessor, and your points had to add up to a certain value, and you also had to not make any major errors, which were instant failure (things like going through stop signs, red lights, dangerous turns (i.e. failing to give way to traffic), etc.

    A friend's daughter was recently taking the driving test here in Jersey. The "written" portion of it definitely was an online test which was simple to pass. Even to cheat on if you really needed to (Google answers in a separate tab or something).

    The road test depends largely on the assessor. When this girl took it, despite the fact that she did terribly, the fact that she was a cute blonde and flirted with the dude helped her pass, when someone else might've failed. I don't know if there're any "autofail" situations.

    When I took the test, back in the 90s, I remember destroying several cones because I wasn't used to the dimensions and clearances of the land yacht Caprice Estate I was taking the test in. The assessor was just like, "Meh, we've got more of those," and didn't mark me down for any of it. And I'm not even a cute blonde girl.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Derision on Monday, October 15, 2018 22:09:00
    On 10-14-18 17:57, Derision wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    A friend's daughter was recently taking the driving test here in
    Jersey. The "written" portion of it definitely was an online test which was simple to pass. Even to cheat on if you really needed to (Google answers in a separate tab or something).

    Online tests didn't exist when I sat mine. :)

    The road test depends largely on the assessor. When this girl took it, despite the fact that she did terribly, the fact that she was a cute blonde and flirted with the dude helped her pass, when someone else might've failed. I don't know if there're any "autofail" situations.

    Used to be like that here, but mine was early in the M"modern era", when the assessor had a check list of things to work with, which made the system a lit more rigorous.

    When I took the test, back in the 90s, I remember destroying several
    cones because I wasn't used to the dimensions and clearances of the
    land yacht Caprice Estate I was taking the test in. The assessor was
    just like, "Meh, we've got more of those," and didn't mark me down for
    any of it. And I'm not even a cute blonde girl.

    Maybe he thought you were cute? ;)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Derision on Monday, October 15, 2018 10:00:48
    Re: Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Derision to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 14 2018 05:57 pm

    When I took the test, back in the 90s, I remember destroying several cones because I wasn't used to the dimensions and clearances of the land yacht Caprice Estate I was taking the test in. The assessor was just like, "Meh, we've got more of those," and didn't mark me down for any of it. And I'm not even a cute blonde girl.

    Yeah, it probably depends on the assessor. When I got my driver's license, I think there was really only one thing I did 'wrong', I turned into the far lane when making a turn onto a road with 2 lanes going each way. But still, I only scored the bare minimum to pass. I wasn't sure what else I got marked down for. I'm glad I at least got my license though.

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  • From Chai@VERT/FRUGALBB to Nightfox on Monday, October 15, 2018 14:03:00
    Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-

    license, I think there was really only one thing I did 'wrong', I
    turned into the far lane when making a turn onto a road with 2 lanes
    going each way. But still, I only scored the bare minimum to pass. I

    I think I passed my initial test with flying colors. I think I was 16.
    I took my motorcycle test when I was in my 30's and failed the field test.
    I've always found that kind of humorous. The reason being, I only read the motorcycle manual to take my motorcycle test. I thought at the time, I've been driving since I was 15 1/2. I do not need to re-read the driving manual.

    What she failed me on was when she had me pull over to the curb on a neighborhood street. I was then supposed to turn my blinker on, as I pulled away from the curb back on to the street. Nobody actually does that on neighborhood roads once they get their license, but it's the law, so I failed because of it.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Chai on Monday, October 15, 2018 15:10:25
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Oct 15 2018 02:03 pm

    I think I passed my initial test with flying colors. I think I was 16.
    I took my motorcycle test when I was in my 30's and failed the field test. I've always found that kind of humorous. The reason being, I only read the motorcycle manual to take my motorcycle test. I thought at the time, I've been driving since I was 15 1/2. I do not need to re-read the driving manual.

    What she failed me on was when she had me pull over to the curb on a neighborhood street. I was then supposed to turn my blinker on, as I pulled away from the curb back on to the street. Nobody actually does that on neighborhood roads once they get their license, but it's the law, so I failed because of it.

    I've never driven a motorcycle, but I imagine driving a motorcycle would be a bit different from driving a car. Sometimes I've thought of getting a motorcycle license and a motorcycle, but I'm not sure I'd want to bother with having another vehicle to maintain and pay for. I suppose a motorcycle is better on gas, which would be good when the weather is good.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, October 15, 2018 17:42:58
    Re: Re: Since you're all talking about cars
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Mon Oct 15 2018 10:00 am

    I think there was really only one thing I did 'wrong', I turned into the far lane when making a turn onto a road with 2 lanes going each way. But still, I only scored the bare minimum to pass. I wasn't sure what else I got marked down for. I'm glad I at least got my license though.

    i used an outside instructor and he trained me well.
    when i took the test i had some crazy guy that was like an eskimo with big dark sunglasses. he had the hood with the fur pulled over his face real tight.

    we drove into some industrial area and instead of raping me, he told me to backup in a straight line along the curb. that was it.

    then when i got back i got a bunch of marks against me which the instructor couldnt understand, but i passed.

    dude was weird as fuck.
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  • From Chai@VERT/FRUGALBB to Nightfox on Monday, October 15, 2018 18:40:00
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    I've never driven a motorcycle, but I imagine driving a motorcycle
    would be a bit different from driving a car. Sometimes I've thought of

    It is. You steer the steering wheel in the opposite direction from the turn. You actually push on the handlebar that's closest to the direction of the
    turn, basically.

    You're at much greater risk of a fatality on the highway with a motorcycle. It's not just that people are not looking out for you, but it is also things like debris in the road, sand leftover from winter de-icing, etc. You have
    to pay more attention to railroad crossings, as there is a right way and
    wrong way to drive over the tracks, given you are on a vehicle with two wheels. When it rains (and it hasn't rained in awhile), you have to be careful about the blackened parts of the road, as you're basically driving over an oil slick (especially pulling up to intersections).

    getting a motorcycle license and a motorcycle, but I'm not sure I'd
    want to bother with having another vehicle to maintain and pay for. I suppose a motorcycle is better on gas, which would be good when the weather is good.

    It really depends on the motorcycle. I have an uncle that has a Harley that gets around 40MPG. We have hybrids that can do that. Things like scooters tend to be much more fuel efficient, but can't be driven on the expressways.
    I gave up riding a motorcycle after having a wreck on one. I'd much rather
    be in a steel cage in an accident.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Chai on Monday, October 15, 2018 17:46:18
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Oct 15 2018 06:40 pm

    You're at much greater risk of a fatality on the highway with a motorcycle. It's not just that people are not looking out for you, but it is also things like debris in the road, sand leftover from winter de-icing, etc. You have to pay more attention to railroad crossings, as there is a right way and wrong way to drive over the tracks, given you are on a vehicle with two wheels. When it rains (and it hasn't rained in awhile), you have to be careful about the blackened parts of the road, as you're basically driving over an oil slick (especially pulling up to intersections).

    expressways. I gave up riding a motorcycle after having a wreck on one. I'd much rather be in a steel cage in an accident.

    Yeah, the idea of being at higher risk of injury makes me nervous about using a motorcycle. Aside from the risks you mentioned, I know someone who was badly hurt when he was riding his motorcycle on the highway and a deer jumped out and knocked him over.

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  • From Deon@VERT/CHINWAG to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:01:56
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Chai on Mon Oct 15 2018 05:46 pm

    Yeah, the idea of being at higher risk of injury makes me nervous about using a motorcycle. Aside from the risks you mentioned, I know someone who was badly hurt when he was riding his motorcycle on the highway and a deer jumped out and knocked him over.

    Certainly riding a bike is a higher risk, but the plus side is that you become a better driver (IMHO). While a driver of a car can lose concentration and get away with it (sometimes), a bike rider needs to have the concentration for both themselves and the traffic on the road. I had a great instructor at a driving school who taught you to read car driver responses, and when you get the hang of it, it certainly is beneficial. (Animals are another matter though.)

    In Melbourne, we have the added benefit that we can park on the foothpath (sidewalk) - as long as we dont impede pedestrians. So not only are they cheaper to run, register and maintain, we had free parking in the state. (Its not true in other states of AU though I believe.)

    Until recently we also had free access to the toll roads (simply because bikes dont have a front number plate and the toll road had a camera that only took/scanned from the front!) Sadly, they upgraded the toll infrastructure to scan from the rear as well.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deon on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 09:43:50
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Deon to Nightfox on Tue Oct 16 2018 10:01 am

    Until recently we also had free access to the toll roads (simply because bikes dont have a front number plate and the toll road had a camera that only took/scanned from the front!) Sadly, they upgraded the toll infrastructure to scan from the rear as well.

    I believe there are some states in the US where cars are only required to have a rear license plate. And it seems that there are some cars that just weren't designed with a front license plate in mind, and it seems you have to damage the front bumper somehow (by drilling screw holes or installing a mount of some kind) to install a license plate.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 15:16:42
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Deon on Tue Oct 16 2018 09:43:50

    I believe there are some states in the US where cars are only required to ha a rear license plate. And it seems that there are some cars that just weren designed with a front license plate in mind, and it seems you have to damage the front bumper somehow (by drilling screw holes or installing a mount of s kind) to install a license plate.

    I do know that most southeastern states of the United States do not require a front tag. I moved to Missouri with a Dodge Stratus that already had a front tag mount already. After the Dodge broke down in the middle of nowhere Alabama (Dothen, I think) I ended up getting rid of the Dodge and getting a Toyota Carolla that was not designed to have a front tag. Once I got back to Missouri, I went to the Toyota dealership to get the front tag put on, the guy just took a "mount" and placed the tag on it, and just screwed the front tag on. Left two holes on the bumper. Once I moved back to South Carilina, I took the front tag off and it left two holes on the bumper becsuse the "mount" wasn't really mounted. Ended up trading the Carolla in with Scion xB that I have now, but it sucked turning it in with those two holes on the bumper.

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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to Chai on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 09:12:22
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Oct 15 2018 06:40 pm

    It really depends on the motorcycle. I have an uncle that has a Harley that gets around 40MPG. We have hybrids that can do that. Things like scooters tend to be much more fuel efficient, but can't be driven on the expressways. I gave up riding a motorcycle after having a wreck on one. I'd much rather be in a steel cage in an accident.

    I ride a motorcycle and this is one thing I don't get. In the sports bike scene, people tend to do everything the REDUCE the gas mileage of their bike.
    I purchased a used 2003 Yamaha FZ1 and stock, it should get around 50 MPG. The previous owner added several mods that reduced it down to 40 MPG. He added larger tires, changed the sprocket gear ratio, modified the fuel/air mixture, etc. I ended up undoing all of that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jagossel on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 15:40:23
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Tue Oct 16 2018 03:16 pm

    I do know that most southeastern states of the United States do not require a front tag. I moved to Missouri with a Dodge Stratus that already had a front tag mount already. After the Dodge broke down in the middle of nowhere Alabama (Dothen, I think) I ended up getting rid of the Dodge and getting a Toyota Carolla that was not designed to have a front tag. Once I got back to Missouri, I went to the Toyota dealership to get the front tag put on, the guy just took a "mount" and placed the tag on it, and just screwed the front tag on. Left two holes on the bumper. Once I moved back to South Carilina, I took the front tag off and it left two holes on the bumper becsuse the "mount" wasn't really mounted. Ended up trading the Carolla in with Scion xB that I have now, but it sucked turning it in with those two holes on the bumper.

    Yeah, I bought a used car once that was from an east coast state somewhere and didn't have a front license plate. I got license plates for it here, and I felt bad putting screw holes in the front because it was a more rare car, sought after by certain enthusiasts. I sold the car, and someone drove about 4 hours from a different state to buy it from me. I tihnk they also require front plates up there too, so I guess it wasn't too bad.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Minex on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 15:47:04
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Minex to Chai on Tue Oct 16 2018 09:12 am

    I ride a motorcycle and this is one thing I don't get. In the sports bike scene, people tend to do everything the REDUCE the gas mileage of their bike. I purchased a used 2003 Yamaha FZ1 and stock, it should get around 50 MPG. The previous owner added several mods that reduced it down to 40 MPG. He added larger tires, changed the sprocket gear ratio, modified the fuel/air mixture, etc. I ended up undoing all of that.

    Their goal might have been better performance rather than specifically trying to reduce the gas mileage. It's often a tradeoff, you can have better performance or good gas mileage but often not both. The previous owner was probably going for high performance.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Deon on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 14:21:58
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Deon to Nightfox on Tue Oct 16 2018 10:01 am

    Certainly riding a bike is a higher risk, but the plus side is that you become a better driver (IMHO). While a driver of a car can lose concentration and get away with it (sometimes), a bike rider needs to have the concentration for both themselves and the traffic on the road.

    I rode 3-4K miles a year on a bicycle in college; the trick was assuming that no one can see you. That trick helps when driving a bicycle, motorcycle or car - especially nowadays.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Chai on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 21:48:50
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Oct 15 2018 06:40 pm


    I've never driven a motorcycle, but I imagine driving a motorcycle would be a bit different from driving a car. Sometimes I've thought of

    It is. You steer the steering wheel in the opposite direction from the turn. You actually push on the handlebar that's closest to the direction of the
    turn, basically.


    i was driving one in my city and hit a shitty road that had construction and a hole but no markings as such. went flying and ripped up my arm good.

    went into the nearest bar and ordered 3 big long islands and that was my last day on a motorcycle.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 21:49:43
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Chai on Mon Oct 15 2018 05:46 pm

    expressways. I gave up riding a motorcycle after having a wreck on one. I'd much rather be in a steel cage in an accident.

    Yeah, the idea of being at higher risk of injury makes me nervous about using a motorcycle. Aside from the risks you mentioned, I know someone who was badly hurt when he was riding his motorcycle on the highway and a deer jumped out and knocked him over.


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  • From Chai@VERT/FRUGALBB to MRO on Thursday, October 18, 2018 17:58:00
    MRO wrote to Chai <=-

    i was driving one in my city and hit a shitty road that had
    construction and a hole but no markings as such. went flying and
    ripped up my arm good.

    went into the nearest bar and ordered 3 big long islands and that was
    my last day on a motorcycle.

    I enjoyed riding, but I get just as much out of being on watercraft. I don't regret selling my bike.


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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Sunday, October 21, 2018 18:39:00
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Deon on Tue Oct 16 2018 09:43:50

    I believe there are some states in the US where cars are only required to have a rear license plate. And it seems that there are some cars that just weren't designed with a front license plate in mind, and it seems you have to damage the front bumper somehow (by drilling screw holes or installing a mount of some kind) to install a license plate.

    Somebody's probably addressed this and I haven't seen the post yet, but yeah... Delaware, Florida, Pennsylvania... most of the southeast, actually, don't require front plates.

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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to Derision on Monday, October 22, 2018 09:21:19
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Derision to Nightfox on Sun Oct 21 2018 06:39 pm

    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Deon on Tue Oct 16 2018 09:43:50

    I believe there are some states in the US where cars are only required to have a rear license plate. And it seems that there are some cars that just weren't designed with a front license plate in mind, and it seems you have to damage the front bumper somehow (by drilling screw holes or installing a mount of some kind) to install a license plate.

    Somebody's probably addressed this and I haven't seen the post yet, but yeah... Delaware, Florida, Pennsylvania... most of the southeast, actually, don't require front plates.


    Colorado is a state where you are required to have a front license plate. It sucks because I have a 1967 Camaro with no way to mount a front license plate. I could install a bracket, but it looks awful. Anyway, I ended up removing the front license plates from all of my vehicles over a decade ago and no one has complained yet. I'm definitely risking getting a ticket, but the risk is worth it to me. :D

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Minex on Monday, October 22, 2018 15:49:37
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Minex to Derision on Mon Oct 22 2018 09:21 am

    Colorado is a state where you are required to have a front license plate. It sucks because I have a 1967 Camaro with no way to mount a front license plate. I could install a bracket, but it looks awful. Anyway, I ended up removing the front license plates from all of my vehicles over a decade ago and no one has complained yet. I'm definitely risking getting a ticket, but the risk is worth it to me. :D

    There are a lot of car rear ends that seem to be designed to take various different sizes of license plates, but they don't seem to put much thought into front license plates..

    Nightfox

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Minex on Monday, October 22, 2018 21:15:11
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Minex to Derision on Mon Oct 22 2018 09:21:19

    Somebody's probably addressed this and I haven't seen the post yet, but yeah... Delaware, Florida, Pennsylvania... most of the southeast, actually, don't require front plates.

    Colorado is a state where you are required to have a front license plate.
    It sucks because I have a 1967 Camaro with no way to mount a front license plate. I could install a bracket, but it looks awful. Anyway, I ended up removing the front license plates from all of my vehicles over a decade ago and no one has complained yet. I'm definitely risking getting a ticket, but the risk is worth it to me. :D

    New Jersey and Maryland, where I split most of my time, both also require it on the front. I'm into Jeeps, and have seen some people with seriously modified front ends that won't accommodate a plate anymore. In these instances -- at least in New Jersey -- it seems to be okay if the front plate is mounted in the windshield somewhere.

    The rear plate has more stringent requirements, in that it needs a light, etc. But I think that as long as the front is visible, it doesn't really matter where it's mounted.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Derision on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:14:57
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Derision to Minex on Mon Oct 22 2018 09:15 pm

    The rear plate has more stringent requirements, in that it needs a light, etc. But I think that as long as the front is visible, it doesn't really matter where it's mounted.

    I've been pulled over by the police because my rear license plate lights were burned out. Twice. One time 2 police cars pulled me over for one of them to get out and tell me that, and to replace those lights..

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Derision on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 17:45:37
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Derision to Minex on Mon Oct 22 2018 09:15 pm

    The rear plate has more stringent requirements, in that it needs a light, etc. But I think that as long as the front is visible, it doesn't really


    yep, you can get pulled over if you dont have a working license plate bulb.
    i dont even know if my truck has one or if it's working. i keep forgetting to check.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 17:46:58
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Tue Oct 23 2018 10:14 am


    I've been pulled over by the police because my rear license plate lights were burned out. Twice. One time 2 police cars pulled me over for one of them to get out and tell me that, and to replace those lights..


    the police replaced your bulb?
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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 16:53:41
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Tue Oct 23 2018 10:14:57

    I've been pulled over by the police because my rear license plate lights were burned out. Twice. One time 2 police cars pulled me over for one of them to get out and tell me that, and to replace those lights..

    Oh, so have I. I even got a ticket when I *KNEW* that it was working, and was just dirty. I asked to get out so that I could look closer and he wouldn't let me, most likely because he realized it worked the minute he looked closely.

    I threw an LED light in there now, which is a direct replacement for the standard and is way brighter than the stock. So far, nobody's bothered me.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 16:53:20
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Oct 23 2018 05:46 pm

    I've been pulled over by the police because my rear license plate
    lights were burned out. Twice. One time 2 police cars pulled me over
    for one of them to get out and tell me that, and to replace those
    lights..

    the police replaced your bulb?

    No, they told me to replace the bulbs.

    Nightfox

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  • From Lizard King@VERT/RUNDER to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 18:40:57
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Oct 23 2018 16:53:20

    the police replaced your bulb?

    No, they told me to replace the bulbs.

    Ain't that just like the police. ;)

    I've wondered if it was against the law to not have lights on your rear plate. I guess that answers that.

    //lizard_king

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  • From Lizard King@VERT/RUNDER to Derision on Tuesday, October 23, 2018 18:43:32
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Derision to Nightfox on Tue Oct 23 2018 16:53:41

    Oh, so have I. I even got a ticket when I *KNEW* that it was working, and was just dirty. I asked to get out so that I could look closer and he wouldn't let me, most likely because he realized it worked the minute he looked closely.

    Actually it was probably because he was concerned you might get hit by a passing car, which is something that happens to cops on traffic stops. That's about 80% of why they don't want you getting out of the car. The other 20% is because they want you where they can see you, and you're not going to shoot them if they're standing behind your car. (Not while sitting in the driver's seat anyway).

    //lizard_king

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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 08:24:44
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Tue Oct 23 2018 10:14 am

    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Derision to Minex on Mon Oct 22 2018 09:15 pm

    The rear plate has more stringent requirements, in that it needs a light, etc. But I think that as long as the front is visible, it doesn't really matter where it's mounted.

    I've been pulled over by the police because my rear license plate lights were burned out. Twice. One time 2 police cars pulled me over for one of them to get out and tell me that, and to replace those lights..

    Damn, that sucks. What state are you in? I've been pretty lucky so far.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Minex on Wednesday, October 24, 2018 08:32:41
    Re: Re: Since you're all talk
    By: Minex to Nightfox on Wed Oct 24 2018 08:24 am

    I've been pulled over by the police because my rear license plate
    lights were burned out. Twice. One time 2 police cars pulled me over
    for one of them to get out and tell me that, and to replace those
    lights..

    Damn, that sucks. What state are you in? I've been pretty lucky so far.

    Oregon

    Nightfox

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