Nightfox wrote to All <=-
in price too.. I suppose there are value-oriented smartphones that
cost less these days, but it just seems odd to me that there's a trend
of smart phone prices going up over time, when electronics normally
tend to get cheaper over time. Where's the value in these things that justifies the increasting prices?
I do think they need to enforce the availability of reasonably priced replacement batteries to make the phones last longer. As in OEM, not the Amazon off brands that blow up your phone.
of smart phone prices going up over time, when electronics normally
tend to get cheaper over time. Where's the value in these things
that justifies the increasting prices?
Apparently, people are paying it. There are days that I miss the flip phone.
It seems to me that the prices of smart phones have been going up over the years. This article I saw today is a prime example - Apple now has a $1,500 iPhone:
Normally, electronics prices tend to go down over time, but Apple has managed to create an iPhone that costs much more than the original iPhone that was released in 2007. Android phones seem to be going up in price too.. I suppose there are value-oriented smartphones that cost less these days, but it just seems odd to me that there's a trend of smart phone prices going up over time, when electronics normally tend to get cheaper over time. Where's the value in these things that justifies the increasting prices?
Thats why I buy the Motorola smartphones, great price great value, you have to order them online but well worth it, they rate up there with iphones and androids.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
The iPhone has never been designed to be opened, and the newer Samsung Galaxy phones are sealed as well. They say they do that to make the phones more waterproof, but I'm wondering if it's also a planned obsolescense thing too. I've had smart phones where you can open them
and replace the battery easily, and I've never had a problem with them getting damaged by water. I'm just careful not to take them swimming
or in the shower with me etc..
Well I don't think a smart phone has to be super expensive. The first smart phone I had wasn't all that expensive, and there are more
affordable ones these days too.
Denn wrote to Nightfox <=-
Thats why I buy the Motorola smartphones, great price great value, you
The iPhone has never been designed to be opened, and the newer
Samsung Galaxy phones are sealed as well. They say they do that to
make the phones more waterproof, but I'm wondering if it's also a
planned obsolescense thing too. I've had smart phones where you can
open them
One of two reasons, yes. The other being that non-removable batteries
take up less space than removable batteries, thus saving space, and allowing more features on top of a a thinner phone. These are all features that their customers supposedly prefer over having replaceable batteries. That's the official reasons from the companies, but you know obsolescence is part of that plan as well. It has to be. I suppose it makes sense for ultra high-end phones geared towards the less frugal to be more disposable, as those customers tend to always have the latest thing out anyway. I typically pay about $150 for my phones, but I only get two years out of them.
Yes, there are some cheap budget phones, but they tend to be ultra laggy and short on storage. They cover the basics, though. I drove my mother
to the Apple store last month to take advantage of the $29 battery replacement offer they have. She should get a couple more years out of
her iPhone now. It's typically $79 to have that done, so we took advantage of that, as the offer only lasts until the end of the year.
On 09-17-18 12:18, Nightfox wrote to All <=-
Normally, electronics prices tend to go down over time, but Apple has managed to create an iPhone that costs much more than the original
iPhone that was released in 2007. Android phones seem to be going up
in price too.. I suppose there are value-oriented smartphones that
cost less these days, but it just seems odd to me that there's a trend
of smart phone prices going up over time, when electronics normally
tend to get cheaper over time. Where's the value in these things that justifies the increasting prices?
On 09-17-18 19:53, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
I do think they need to enforce the availability of reasonably priced replacement batteries to make the phones last longer. As in OEM, not
the Amazon off brands that blow up your phone.
of smart phone prices going up over time, when electronics normally
tend to get cheaper over time. Where's the value in these things that justifies the increasting prices?
Apparently, people are paying it. There are days that I miss the flip phone.
On 09-17-18 21:09, Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
These days it's hard to even replace the battery in many smart phones.
The iPhone has never been designed to be opened, and the newer Samsung
Well I don't think a smart phone has to be super expensive. The first smart phone I had wasn't all that expensive, and there are more
affordable ones these days too.
On 09-17-18 23:18, Denn wrote to Nightfox <=-
Thats why I buy the Motorola smartphones, great price great value, you have to order them online but well worth it, they rate up there with iphones and androids.
On 09-18-18 09:44, Nightfox wrote to Denn <=-
"Up there with iphones and androids" - Does that mean they use their
own OS? I thought pretty much anything that wasn't an iPhone used
Android these days.
These days it's hard to even replace the battery in many smart
phones. The iPhone has never been designed to be opened, and the
newer Samsung
A decent tech can easily open an iPhone in a couple of minutes. I've watched them do it. :) And replacement batteries are readily available from Apple.
Windows on a phone seems a solid alternative, but it is not well supported by app developers. I have seen a couple of Windows phones, and they seemed to work well. But as I said, lack of app support is the big killer. I'm
not sure what else is still around The other 2 OSs that were around 10 years ago were Symbian (Nokia) and Blackberry. Nokia went the Windows route several years ago, and I suspect Blackberry is still around, though you don't see as many these days.
Yeah, especially for the more expensive name brand phones. I have an iPhone that is now 7 years old. It has had one battery replacement, though what is going to end its life is sluggish performance. But even with that
longevity, my previous Android phone that lasted less than 2 years, but on a $/year basis, it was still cheaper.
phone.
Well I don't think a smart phone has to be super expensive. The first smart phone I had wasn't all that expensive, and there are more affordable ones these days too.
On 09-18-18 16:57, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm a little surprised if it was that easy to open an iPhone. I've
read guides for opening up an iMac and Samsung Galaxy S7 phone to
replace things, and often they involve removing sealant/glue and being really careful in general, and then replacing the sealant/glue when you put it back together..
On 09-18-18 17:04, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've never used a Windows phone, and I haven't known anyone else who
has either. Although I use Windows, in the past I often haven't liked Microsoft much, so I just haven't been interestd in having a
Windows-based phone. But these days, there are also things not to like about Google and Apple.. I guess they all have their advantages and disadvantages.
Yeah, I haven't seen many Blackberry devices lately. Wasn't Blackberry really popular at some point, especially with businesses? I'm not sure
if I'm thinking of Blackberry or another company. Also, I think
Microsoft bought Nokia?
Recently I've heard a lot of jokes about Nokia phones being indestructable.. I never really knew they had a reputation for that.
I saw a meme online once that said "Drop your iPhone on the floor, it breaks the iPhone. Drop your Nokia phone on the floor, it breaks the floor."
My first cell phone was a Nokia 5110. It seemed like a really popular phone at the time.. One thing about it was that it had a removeable faceplate, and there were a lot of third-party faceplates with many different designs that you could use to customize the appearance of
your phone.
On 09-18-18 17:12, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I heard Apple intentionally put a software feature in iOS to slow down older iPhones to prolong battery life, and they had not made that
clear.. I think there was a lawsuit that came out against Apple due to that.
My last Android phone, I had for about 3 years. I've had my current
one for about 2 years, and it's still working fine for me. Sometimes
it still seems like I just recently bought it.. Time goes by fast.
Usually I've been replacing my cell phone after about 3 or 4 years.
I'll see how long my current phone lasts me..
One thing that bugs me is that they've taken away a few features in Android updates though:
- The alarm clock on Android used to have a separate button to turn off the alarm until the next day (if you've set the alarm to go off up to 3 times, for instance, you could just turn it off once you've gotten out
of bed). Now, to do that, I have to turn that alarm off and back on again. - Texting: This may have been specific to the Samsung Galaxy phones, but there used to be a feature where if a text failed to send,
you could long-tap it and there would be an option to re-send it. Now that feature is gone, and in order to re-send, I have to copy the text
to the clipboard, paste it, and send again. Re-send was a useful
feature to me, because sometimes I don't have a good signal and have to re-send a text that failed to send. - Custom text tones for contacts:
You used to be able to configure a custom tone to play when certain contacts text you, but that option has been removed
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've never used a Windows phone, and I haven't known anyone else who
has either. Although I use Windows, in the past I often haven't liked
Yeah, I haven't seen many Blackberry devices lately. Wasn't Blackberry really popular at some point, especially with businesses? I'm not sure
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
planned obsolescense thing too. I've had smart phones where you can
open them
If I'm going to pay $500 or something for a phone, I would expect it to last a while. I'm not going to want to keep paying something like that
It seems silly to have to pay for a battery replacement when batteries could easily be made replaceable by the user. On top of obsolescence,
I guess they seal their phones so they can get more money out of you
when you want to replace the battery..
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
Yeah, especially for the more expensive name brand phones. I have an iPhone that is now 7 years old. It has had one battery replacement,
though what is going to end its life is sluggish performance. But
even with that longevity, my previous Android phone that lasted less
than 2 years, but on a $/year basis, it was still cheaper.
Apparently, people are paying it. There are days that I miss the flip phone.
Some are, I now shop the budget brands and look for a feature set that
I want. :)
Nightfox wrote to Denn <=-
"Up there with iphones and androids" - Does that mean they use their
own OS? I thought pretty much anything that wasn't an iPhone used
Android these days.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah I was confused about that comment too. These days, I wouldn't buy anything other than iPhone or Android, because of their vastly better
app support. In fact, I really need one of each, because some of the
apps I use run only on Android, and some run only on iPhone.
"Up there with iphones and androids" - Does that mean they use their own OS? I thought pretty much anything that wasn't an iPhone used Android
Thats why I buy the Motorola smartphones, great price great value,
you
I've been considering giving Motorola a try. Which Motorola do you use?
What OS do they run?
On 09-18-18 22:30, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, especially for the more expensive name brand phones. I have an iPhone that is now 7 years old. It has had one battery replacement,
That's fairly decent longevity.
I just looked up the cost of a battery for my phone, and it runs about
$40 now. That's much better than the last time I checked. It was about $80 then. I suppose that's a positive, but I'll probably still upgrade,
as I definitely need more storage.
Apparently, people are paying it. There are days that I miss the flip phone.
Some are, I now shop the budget brands and look for a feature set that
I want. :)
I've learned to be more frugal in my older years. I didn't used to be that way, but I have more diversified interests in how I spend my money these days.
On 09-18-18 22:43, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And some new contendors end up dying out before they even release a product. (i.e. Firefox OS).
On 09-18-18 22:20, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
If I'm going to pay $500 or something for a phone, I would expect it to last a while. I'm not going to want to keep paying something like that
Do the $500 phones last longer? I do not think I've ever spent quite
that much for a phone. So, honestly, I wouldn't know.
On 09-18-18 23:23, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/OUTWEST
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Vk3jed to Denn on Wed Sep 19 2018 08:35 am
What OS do they run?
Android, don't remember the version but they put current versions on
them.
On 09-18-18 23:03, Denn wrote to Nightfox <=-
"Up there with iphones and androids" - Does that mean they use their own OS? I thought pretty much anything that wasn't an iPhone used Android
Sorry I meant Samsung.
Windows on a phone seems a solid alternative, but it is not well supported b app developers. I have seen a couple of Windows phones, and they seemed to work well. But as I said, lack of app support is the big killer. I'm not s what else is still around The other 2 OSs that were around 10 years ago wer Symbian (Nokia) and Blackberry. Nokia went the Windows route several years ago, and I suspect Blackberry is still around, though you don't see as many these days.
Yeah, I haven't seen many Blackberry devices lately. Wasn't Blackberry real popular at some point, especially with businesses? I'm not sure if I'm thinking of Blackberry or another company. Also, I think Microsoft bought Nokia?
My first cell phone was a Nokia 5110. It seemed like a really popular phone the time.. One thing about it was that it had a removeable faceplate, and there were a lot of third-party faceplates with many different designs that could use to customize the appearance of your phone.
Apparently, people are paying it. There are days that I miss the flip phone.
These days it's hard to even replace the battery in many smart phones. The iPhone has never been designed to be opened, and the newer Samsung Galaxy phones are sealed as well. They say they do that to make the phones more waterproof, but I'm wondering if it's also a planned obsolescense thing too. I've had smart phones where you can open them and replace the battery easily, and I've never had a problem with them getting damaged by water.
Seems to be a brand thing. But in the budget range of Android phones, there are cheaper phones with more features coming out. My latest phone was slightly cheaper than the previous budget phone, but it's well built and has a lot more sensors on board.
Yeah. From what I've seen, the only disadvantage of Windows Mobile is the lack of apps. Otherwise it seems to work as well as iOS or Android.
Yeah, many of the Nokias had a removable faceplate. That was one of their features. The Symbian OS they ran on was a bit clunky, but you could get apps for it, and it basically worked. But the advent of the touch screen smartphone quickly killed Nokia, as first Apple, then Android took over the market.
Do the $500 phones last longer? I do not think I've ever spent quite that much for a phone. So, honestly, I wouldn't know.
It would be nice if they could develop a battery technology that does not wear out. I remember reading a site sometime ago that claimed multiple
It's been hard to find a phone with a physical keyboard on it, I am not a fan of the virtual keyboard, it takes me longer to type and I make a lot of mistakes.
I have an old Samsung Galaxy S5, replaceable battery, supports a 200 GB SD card, and is certified IP67 water resistant. They don't make them like they used to...
I've learned to pick when to spend money and when to be frugal. Sometimes you pay less by paying more, other times, the cheap option is the better one. The trick is working out which is which.
True. Bring back the Razr.
Simpler times - people reached out when they needed you instead of assuming that any email sent would be acted upon immediately.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've never used a Windows phone, and I haven't known anyone else who has either. Although I use Windows, in the past I often haven't liked
Yeah, I haven't seen many Blackberry devices lately. Wasn't Blackberry really popular at some point, especially with businesses? I'm not sure
Yes, because of some really good encryption capabilities. They were also popular in some countries in the Middle East, for the same reason.
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
i knew two people who had a windows phone and they loved it even though they were android fanboys.
i think blackberry devices had a following because of their style and quality. ---
I never worked in a business that required the use of Blackberry phones, so I can't attest to it myself. As far as the encryption theory, that came from a news report given back in the day. Employees that dealt
with sensitive company information preferred the Blackberry due to its encryption and overall security.
I had heard that president Barack Obama used a Blackberry due to its encryption and security.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
no, he just used it because that's all he knew how to work. the secret service didnt want him using it.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
no, he just used it because that's all he knew how to work. the secret service didnt want him using it.
It isn't an exceptionally good idea for sitting presidents to use mobile phones. Using Twitter on a daily basis is an even worse idea.
It isn't an exceptionally good idea for sitting presidents to use mobile phones.
i think trump uses twitter because he has a voice there. he certainly cant trust the media to be his voice.
i've looked at his twitter posts and they arent even that bad.
On 09-19-18 08:19, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I recently saw a Linus Tech Tips video on YouTube of him reviewing a Blackberry phone. It looks like Blackberry kept their signature
hardware keyboard, but they are not using their propritery OS anymore
and has a Blackberry-modified Android on there (I believe).
On 09-19-18 06:32, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Depends on the market - the MVNOs like Cricket and TracPhone are
getting some interesting models. There's the LG Stylo 4, a 18:9 note
form factor phone with 32 GB of storage and 3GB of RAM for around $200, priced just about what an S7 on Amazon goes for. Tempting.
On 09-19-18 09:53, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
The Nokia I had a long time ago was before apps could be installed on mobile phones. I remember it came with a 'Snake' game which was kind
of like Tron, where you moved a snake around on the screen to collect
dots (I think) and you had to avoid the snake hitting itself.
On 09-19-18 12:58, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, sometimes the better value is the one that costs more, in that it can last a longer time. And there are certain products where it pays
to buy in bulk or from a bulk retailer. There's a warehouse store
chain in the US called Costco that sells home products, many of them in bulk but it can save you money that way. Costco charges a yearly fee
to be a member, but they can still save you money. They sell things
like food items (grocery), some clothing, some electronics (computers, TVs, cameras, etc.), and a selection of movies (DVD/blu-ray). They
have their own brand of food items (Kirkland Signature) which I think
is actually quite good and priced lower than other items. Sometimes
they offer good deals on electronics & things too.
On 09-19-18 18:26, Chai wrote to MRO <=-
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MRO wrote to Chai <=-
i knew two people who had a windows phone and they loved it even though they were android fanboys.
I played with it once on a Nokia at the store. It was fast. I have to give it that.
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
the media is ran by the rich white super elite. hateful
intollerant liberals who want us all to be slaves.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones) that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
At least, that was the complaint security officials had when Barry was president. They didn't like him using his personal mobile phone.
I recently saw a Linus Tech Tips video on YouTube of him reviewing a
Blackberry phone. It looks like Blackberry kept their signature
hardware keyboard, but they are not using their propritery OS
anymore and has a Blackberry-modified Android on there (I believe).
Interesting development there. Looks like we're heading towards a 2 OS ecosystem.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to MRO on Wed Sep 19 2018 08:50 pm
It isn't an exceptionally good idea for sitting presidents to use mobile phones.
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones) that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to Nightfox on Thu Sep 20 2018 12:48 am
At least, that was the complaint security officials had when Barry was president. They didn't like him using his personal mobile phone.
Who was president Barry? I don't remember a president with that name..
I've never used a Windows phone, and I haven't known anyone else who has either. Although I use Windows, in the past I often haven't liked Microsoft much, so I just haven't been interestd in having a Windows-based phone.
Interesting development there. Looks like we're heading towards a 2 OS ecosystem.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones)
that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
Being wireless, it's more likely (than a wired connection) to be seripticiously received/decoded/recorded.
Who was president Barry? I don't remember a president with that
name..
Barack Obama has gone by "Barry" most of his life.
Microsoft got smart to get out of the phone game and build apps to run on any platform. You can take an Android phone or iPhone and load the MS app stack on it to get the same experience. With Android you can run the Microsoft launcher to tie in Bing and all of your Office365 content, too.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to MRO on Wed Sep 19 2018 08:50 pm
It isn't an exceptionally good idea for sitting presidents to use mobile phones.
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones) that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
i've looked at his twitter posts and they arent even that bad.
Have you seen all his tweets then? Admittedly I haven't, though I think he should be more careful about what he's spouting off on Twitter or otherwise.
whiney.. And there was another tweet from him, "To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMETED WORDS
And Trump said something to Kim Jong-Un a while back
that made me worry North Korea could respond with an attack.. Sometimes I
of our president spouting off ridiculous stuff like that all the time.
Could you picture a president like Ronald Reagan saying things like that?
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
the media is ran by the rich white super elite. hateful
intollerant liberals who want us all to be slaves.
The liberals say the same about conservatives? Either party represents nearly half of the U.S. population. Party allegiance is illusionary.
I'm no fan of the media, but Trump's behavior is not helping his situation, or the country.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones) that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
When it's their own personal mobile phone, yes. The mobile phone protocols used in the US are not secure. The White House has secured lines for presidential use.
At least, that was the complaint security officials had when Barry was president. They didn't like him using his personal mobile phone.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to Nightfox on Thu Sep 20 2018 12:48 am
At least, that was the complaint security officials had when Barry was president. They didn't like him using his personal mobile phone.
Who was president Barry? I don't remember a president with that name..
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
I'm no fan of the media, but Trump's behavior is not helping his situation, or the country.
sure as fuck is helping my company and my paycheck. i got a huge
fucking bonus in august. keep it up trump
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Satya Nadella showed his iPhone with all MS apps running on in a while ago. Called it an iPhone Plus. :)
On 09-20-18 09:44, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Interesting development there. Looks like we're heading towards a 2 OS ecosystem.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?
On 09-20-18 14:44, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-
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Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Thu Sep 20 2018 09:44:04
Interesting development there. Looks like we're heading towards a 2 OS ecosystem.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?
We kind of are in a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile; I can't think of a
single cell phone that is being sold now that isn't an iOS or Android; other than non-smart phones.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?
We kind of are in a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile; I can't think of a single cell phone that is being sold now that isn't an iOS or Android; other than non-smart phones.
Yeah seems we're pretty close to it nowadays. The previous situation was unsustainable when there were 5 mobile OSs, each of which required totally separate app development, so to support all platforms, developers had to do work 5 times over. Now it's only twice, which is a lot less work.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?
Technically more than 2, though converging to 2. :)
I tried the Edge browser for Android awhile back. It was actually pretty nice.
Yeah seems we're pretty close to it nowadays. The previous situation was unsustainable when there were 5 mobile OSs, each of which required totally separate app development, so to support all platforms, developers had to do the work 5 times over. Now it's only twice, which is a lot less work.
Yeah seems we're pretty close to it nowadays. The previous situation was unsustainable when there were 5 mobile OSs, each of which required totally separate app development, so to support all platforms, developers had to do the work 5 times over. Now it's only twice, which is a lot less work.
Perhaps the market drove us from five mobile Oses to two. I do know that there has been more frameworks that are starting to make developing an Android and iPhone apps easier with this mentallity of "code once, delpoy/run anywhere". Xamiran is an example of this, and Apache Cordova is another.
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to MRO on Thu Sep 20 2018 12:43 am
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
the media is ran by the rich white super elite. hateful
intollerant liberals who want us all to be slaves.
The liberals say the same about conservatives? Either party represents nearly half of the U.S. population. Party allegiance is illusionary.
no, the media is actually ran by the rich white super elite. look up
who runs those companies.
I'm no fan of the media, but Trump's behavior is not helping his situation, or the country.
sure as fuck is helping my company and my paycheck. i got a huge
fucking bonus in august. keep it up trump
sure as fuck is helping my company and my paycheck. i got a huge fucking bonus in august. keep it up trump
Too bad for the farmers. They're improving the economy by exploding the
deficit. That's not magic.
But, I'm glad you got your bonus.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 21 2018 12:52 am
I tried the Edge browser for Android awhile back. It was actually pretty nice.
I didn't know Microsoft was making Edge for Android..
I remember when Microsoft was making Internet Explorer for Mac for a little while, and Microsoft decided to discontinue it, saying Apple already had Safari for Mac and they didn't see the point of making IE for Mac, or something to that effect. Seemed a little odd that they did that.
Ours too. Bonus, Raise & a one week paid vacation for the wife and I in Hawaii this
year.
there's growing pains, but everything will balance out in the end.
we need to keep jobs in the usa and not overseas.
Perhaps the market drove us from five mobile Oses to two. I do know tha there has been more frameworks that are starting to make developing an Android and iPhone apps easier with this mentallity of "code once, delpoy/run anywhere". Xamiran is an example of this, and Apache Cordova another.
Yeah, I've heard Microsoft's Visual Studio now lets you develop mobile apps iOS and Android. But I don't know if it lets you create one app to build fo both or if you still need to create two separate apps.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Sep 20 2018 10:34 am
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones)
that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
Being wireless, it's more likely (than a wired connection) to be seripticiously received/decoded/recorded.
I've heard most land lines go over VoIP these days. And if so, it would be hard to know exactly how such a connection is made to the other person, as it could go through any number of routes over the internet. Unless of course the president's phone is an old-style land line with a direct and secure connection.
After the tarriffs Trump has imposed, I'm concerned about more jobs going overseas. Other countries have retaliated with tarriffs of their own on US goods being imported into their countries. Soon after the tarriffs were
announced, Harley-Davidson said they wanted to build more of their motorcycles outside the US. I think a few other countries have said the
motorcycles outside the US. I think a few other countries have said the same, as the tarriffs will make it more expensive to make things in the US, with materials costing more to import.
On 09-21-18 08:45, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Perhaps the market drove us from five mobile Oses to two. I do know
that there has been more frameworks that are starting to make
developing an Android and iPhone apps easier with this mentallity of
"code once, delpoy/run anywhere". Xamiran is an example of this, and Apache Cordova is another.
On 09-21-18 09:57, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Technically more than 2, though converging to 2. :)
I suppose, but it seems that Android and iOS are the only 2 major phone platforms I hear about these days that mobile apps are developed for. Windows Phone was a player once, but it seems that is pretty much
gone..
On 09-21-18 10:01, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've heard Microsoft's Visual Studio now lets you develop mobile apps
for iOS and Android. I think it allows you to do so using C# too. I haven't used Visual Studio for mobile app development (I've used
Google's tools for Android development and Apple's XCode for iOS development), so I don't know if Visual Studio lets you develop the app once to build for both iOS and Android or if you still need to write
two separate apps.
On 09-21-18 10:04, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Also, back in the day, there were multiple PC platforms on the market: DOS, Windows, OS/2, Mac, Amiga, etc.. Now there are only 3 major
players (Windows, Mac, and Linux). Similar situation. But for the PC
it might be easier, because there are multi-platform GUI libraries
(such as Qt, wxWidgets, etc.) that let you write code that can compile
for multiple platforms with only minimal changes (or no changes sometimes). And there are also scripting languages (Python, Perl,
etc.) and things like Java that's build-once run-everywhere.
That's the impression that I got from the like Visual Studio 2017, PhoneGap, Apache Cordovs, and Xamiran: build it once in the lamguage that you're comfortable with, and deploy it to both Android and iOS. Testing it
is another matter: Android emulation is free, but I thought it would cost to get an iOS emulator.
announced, Harley-Davidson said they wanted to build more of their
motorcycles outside the US. I think a few other countries have said
the
hey there, i live in the home of harley davidson. they said they were going to build more motorcycles overseas waaaay back in january. fake news tried to make it seem it was because of trump's tarriffs.
the point is, we dont need to import. we have enough resources in the usa. we need to stop sending jobs overseas. we need to make it FAIR in regards to trading.
I have seen the Android development part of Visual Studio. DOn't recall seeing anything for iOS. Thought you needed a Mac for iOS development.
That's the impression that I got from the like Visual Studio 2017, PhoneGap, Apache Cordovs, and Xamiran: build it once in the lamguage th you're comfortable with, and deploy it to both Android and iOS. Testing
I'm wondering how that works, since Android and iOS apps are both normally written with different languages and frameworks. And Android apps generally use a Java virtual machine, whereas I think iOS apps are compiled to native code (using Objective-C and/or Swift).
is another matter: Android emulation is free, but I thought it would co to get an iOS emulator.
I'm not sure about the iOS emulator. I've worked on an iOS app at work seve years ago, and what we did for testing was to deploy the app on an actual iO device (an iPhone or an iPad).
Windows Phone was a player once, but it seems that is pretty much gone..
same, as the tarriffs will make it more expensive to make things in the US, with materials costing more to import.
Regardless of what kind of encoding or encryption is used, a wireless communication channel is easier to tap than a wired one.
the point is, we dont need to import. we have enough resources in the usa. we need to stop sending jobs overseas. we need to make it FAIR in regards to trading.
I'm wondering how that works, since Android and iOS apps are both
normally written with different languages and frameworks. And Android
apps generally use a Java virtual machine, whereas I think iOS apps
are compiled to native code (using Objective-C and/or Swift).
Probably the same way that Java, C#, and Visual Basic gets compiled: to byte code that will run on that platform. I hadn't tried to do app
Another way it could be possible, I would imagine, is to use HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and a "web-browser" like platform that can allow access to certan hardware on the phone, like the camera or the GPS.
Both Android and iOS apps can be deployed to real hardware and tested on. However, I thought that you had to pay $100 to Apple to get the development kit, emulator, and to release to their app store. I've heard that Apple does a review of your app to make sure it meets their standards before it gets published.
I remember Trump even commenting on it, he said Harley-Davidson shouldn't give up and wave the white flag so soon.
It's
hard to find products that are totally made in the US. Even products that
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
I didn't know Microsoft was making Edge for Android..
I remember when Microsoft was making Internet Explorer for Mac for a little while, and Microsoft decided to discontinue it, saying Apple already had Safari for Mac and they didn't see the point of making IE
for Mac, or something to that effect. Seemed a little odd that they
did that.
Vk3jed wrote to Jagossel <=-
Yeah seems we're pretty close to it nowadays. The previous situation
was unsustainable when there were 5 mobile OSs, each of which required totally separate app development, so to support all platforms,
developers had to do the work 5 times over. Now it's only twice, which
is a lot less work.
I didn't know Microsoft was making Edge for Android..
Yes, but I can't use it, as I'm deep into Google products. The only way
I could use Edge is if they developed a version for Linux. Microsoft may love Linux now, but I'm fairly certain we'll never see Edge for Linux.
And just as I say this, someone will send me a link where Microsoft is announcing Edge for Linux.
I remember when Microsoft was making Internet Explorer for Mac for a
little while, and Microsoft decided to discontinue it, saying Apple
already had Safari for Mac and they didn't see the point of making
IE for Mac, or something to that effect. Seemed a little odd that
they did that.
Yes, and Steve Wozniak used to complain that he thought it was introducing bugs into Mac's OS. He claimed that nobody at Apple would listen to him.
So less is more. I suppose that makes sense from the developers perspective. If Linux was just one distro, perhaps it would gain additional support as well? I'm referring to Linux as a desktop, of course (not servers, NAS, etc.).
On 09-22-18 01:24, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Microsoft says their development tools allow you to develop "mobile
apps and games for iOS, Android, and Windows": https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/features/mobile-app-development/
On 09-22-18 14:12, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
So less is more. I suppose that makes sense from the developers perspective. If Linux was just one distro, perhaps it would gain additional support as well? I'm referring to Linux as a desktop, of
course (not servers, NAS, etc.).
On 09-22-18 15:28, Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
WindowsCE Mobile was nice and it could do more than for eg Nokias
simple phones. But it was slow and sluggish.
Some feature with Exchange server were not supported with Windows
Mobile while it was with iOS and android, than I have to advice my customers.. stay away from it. Microsoft doesnt even bother supporting their own systems.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
I've heard Microsoft made a version of Internet Explorer for UNIX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX
So who knows, they may end up making a version of Edge for UNIX, or Linux..
I'm not sure how a web browser would introduce bugs into the OS. And I thought Steve Wozniak left Apple a long time ago.. Aside from Steve
Jobs (before he passed away), did/does Wozniak have contacts inside
Apple he talks to?
... This tagline is bi-lingual. English and Australian.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?We kind of are in a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile; I can't think of a single cell phone that is being sold now that isn't an iOS or Android; other
than non-smart phones.
BlackBerry?Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android
I've heard Microsoft made a version of Internet Explorer for UNIX:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX
So who knows, they may end up making a version of Edge for UNIX, or
Linux..
That would certainly be interesting. If it happens, I will be very surprised, but anything can happen these days.
Some feature with Exchange server were not supported with Windows
Mobile while it was with iOS and android, than I have to advice my
customers.. stay away from it. Microsoft doesnt even bother
supporting their own systems.
Rather ironic that the third party mobile OSs have better support for Exchange than their own.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and
Android
BlackBerry?
and windows phones
On 09-22-18 20:18, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
... This tagline is bi-lingual. English and Australian.
Love this one!
On 09-22-18 23:31, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That reminds me of a time where my team at work brought in a contractor who really liked using Linux as his main OS. My company provides us
with laptops that are managed by their IT department, with Windows installed on them and MS Outlook for the email client. This guy liked Linux so much that he took the time to install Linux on his laptop provided by the company (through some kind of VM, I think), and he set
up a Linux email client and was able to connect it to the company's Exchange server with his credentials. And when he sent emails to the team, we could tell he was using a different email client because the quoted text in all his emails were formatted a bit oddly, and I think
some of his emails may have had a different font too. And the laptops
my company provides really don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the company likes to save money). That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he was often making typos when working on the computers at work.
BlackBerry?
were formatted a bit oddly, and I think some of his emails may have had a different font too. And the laptops my company provides really don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the company likes to save money).
That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he was often making typos when working on the computers at work.
Are Windows phones still even a thing? I've only ever known maybe one person who had a Windows phone, years ago, and I haven't seen them in stores or anywhere recently.
Don't we already have a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile (iOS and Android)?We kind of are in a 2-OS ecosystem for mobile; I can't think of a singl cell phone that is being sold now that isn't an iOS or Android; other than non-smart phones.
BlackBerry?
That reminds me of a time where my team at work brought in a contractor who really liked using Linux as his main OS. My company provides us with laptop that are managed by their IT department, with Windows installed on them and Outlook for the email client. This guy liked Linux so much that he took the time to install Linux on his laptop provided by the company (through some ki of VM, I think), and he set up a Linux email client and was able to connect to the company's Exchange server with his credentials. And when he sent ema to the team, we could tell he was using a different email client because the quoted text in all his emails were formatted a bit oddly, and I think some o his emails may have had a different font too. And the laptops my company provides really don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the compa likes to save money). That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he w often making typos when working on the computers at work.
fanatic, used the Dvorak keyboard, and had a Linux VM set up on a Windows machine that he used for E-mails and administrative tasks. The guy had this really weird nack for using negative nick-names for software that he didn't like.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sat Sep 22 2018 11:31 pm
were formatted a bit oddly, and I think some of his emails may have had a different font too. And the laptops my company provides really don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the company likes to save money).
That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he was often making typos when working on the computers at work.
i bet that guy was a pain in the ass to work with.
don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the company likes to save money).
That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he was often making typos when working on the computers at work.
i bet that guy was a pain in the ass to work with.
were formatted a bit oddly, and I think some of his emails may have
had a different font too. And the laptops my company provides really
don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the company likes
to save money). That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he
was often making typos when working on the computers at work.
i bet that guy was a pain in the ass to work with.
internet sez discountinued 3 yrs ago
also says this company called wileyfox is putting windows phones back on the market.
That guy sounds really familiar... I had a boss that was a big Linux fanatic, used the Dvorak keyboard, and had a Linux VM set up on a Windows machine that he used for E-mails and administrative tasks. The guy had this really weird nack for using negative nick-names for software that he didn't like.
back in the day the pretentious guys had the dvorak keyboards. i always thought they were ridiculious, expecially since i was a very fast typist with qwerty.
people shouldnt setup a VM of another OS on a work computer to get around the OS and programs that are company standard.
were formatted a bit oddly, and I think some of his emails may have
had a different font too. And the laptops my company provides
really don't have a whole lot of RAM or hard drive space (the
company likes to save money).
That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he was often making
typos when working on the computers at work.
i bet that guy was a pain in the ass to work with.
I was thinking the same thing.
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason the qwer layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up. And the qwerty layout h persisted.. I'm used to qwerty and type pretty fast with it, but sometimes I've wondered if I'd type even faster if I had learned to type on the Dvorak layout. But it seems a bit pointless to learn Dvorak since qwerty is the standard..
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: MRO to Jagossel on Sun Sep 23 2018 04:48 pm
back in the day the pretentious guys had the dvorak keyboards. i always thought they were ridiculious, expecially since i was a very fast typist with qwerty.
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason the qwerty layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up.
to save money). That guy also used a Dvorak keyboard at home, so he
was often making typos when working on the computers at work.
i bet that guy was a pain in the ass to work with.
Actually he was pretty good to work with overall, and a smart guy.. He just preferred a different computer setup.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Sun Sep 23 2018 04:44 pm
That guy sounds really familiar... I had a boss that was a big Linux fanatic, used the Dvorak keyboard, and had a Linux VM set up on a Windows machine that he used for E-mails and administrative tasks. The guy had this really weird nack for using negative nick-names for software that he didn't like.
I think that's a different guy.. The guy I knew didn't nick-name software he didn't like.
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason the qwerty layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up. And the qwerty layout has persisted.. I'm used to qwerty and type pretty fast with it, but sometimes I've wondered if I'd type even faster if I had learned to type on the Dvorak layout. But it seems a bit pointless to learn Dvorak since qwerty is the standard..
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason the qwerty layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up.
Both of those myths have been debunked: https://itotd.com/articles/3528/the-dvorak-keyboard-controversy/
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason
the qwerty layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the
old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up.
Both of those myths have been debunked: https://itotd.com/articles/3528/the-dvorak-keyboard-controversy/
Actually he was pretty good to work with overall, and a smart guy..
He just preferred a different computer setup.
yeah, i prefer a lot of things, but when i'm at work i do what i'm supposed to do. he probably had bodies in the basement.
I don't think anyone actually said we're "supposed" to use the software setup on our work laptops.. I haven't seen a specific rule about that, but most people just use it and don't bother setting up other software for their email or especially the OS. As far as the actual work, he did what he was
that just might be something some blowhard made up. that's one of the things i've heard about it. i've actually owned and used an old type writer and if you type correctly it wont jam 2 letters at once.
one of my bosses learned to type on the old style (i learned on electric) and his finger posture and pressure is quite noticable. looks like he's still hammering away.
The one I have now is the LG Stylo 2. It can be opened, and the battery does need to be replaced, as I'm charging 2-3 times a day. The phone only has 16GB of storage, however. I find myself trading apps, depending on what I need to run at the time. I looked up the battery cost from the manufacturer, and I feel that I'm better off upgrading my phone. I'd like to be getting about 5 years out of each phone, so perhaps I need to spend a little more this time.
I believe that Blackberry was wildly popular because it was the first to enter into the market. Once the first iPhone came out, that changed everything.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
Yeah, I heard the Galaxy S5 was the last Samsung Galaxy with a replaceable battery. I had an S3 and upgraded to an S7, and unfortunately the S7 is sealed.
Is there something inherent about mobile phones (vs. land line phones) that make them bad for presidents to use for making phone calls?
I paid just over for $200 for my latest phone, which is ip68 rated, has the sensors you'd expect (magnetometer, accelerometer, light and others), 64GB storage, 4GB RAM, 5.5" screen.
I have no idea what setup Trump has.
MRO wrote to Thumper <=-
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Thumper to MRO on Fri Sep 21 2018 12:16 pm
Ours too. Bonus, Raise & a one week paid vacation for the wife and I in Hawaii this
year.
my 401k is doing great, too.
It seems to me that the prices of smart phones have been going up over the >years. This article I saw today is a prime example - Apple now has a $1,500 >iPhone:
https://500ish.com/the-1-500-iphone-53e7ec63046a
Normally, electronics prices tend to go down over time, but Apple has managed >to create an iPhone that costs much more than the original iPhone that was >released in 2007. Android phones seem to be going up in price too.. I suppose
there are value-oriented smartphones that cost less these days, but it just >seems odd to me that there's a trend of smart phone prices going up over time, >when electronics normally tend to get cheaper over time. Where's the value in >these things that justifies the increasting prices?
Nightfox
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Didn't Microsoft buy Nokia a while back? I guess they ended up selling off their Nokia/phone business?
I've heard of someone setting up DOSBOX and Windows 3.1 with Photoshop 4 on an android tablet. Made just enough of an editing station for making edits on the fly at a customer site.
Love the S3 - that was my first full-time Android phone. I still have it, running LineageOS 15 (Android 7.0) rooted with a handful of root apps and Kali Linux running on it.
I'd like to buy an unlocked phone, but it seems like carriers are tying their wi-fi calling services to their branded phones.
On 09-24-18 10:22, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
people shouldnt setup a VM of another OS on a work computer to get around the OS and programs that are company standard.
I agree. I'd just use a work computer as-is.
On 09-24-18 14:42, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason the qwerty layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up.
Both of those myths have been debunked: https://itotd.com/articles/3528/the-dvorak-keyboard-controversy/
I had an old mechanical typewriter years ago. I was a kid, without any appreciable typing style at the time, and I did indeed jam up keys when "typing" very quickly on it. The little arms with the letter on the end just
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Sep 19 2018 10:09 am
Yeah, I heard the Galaxy S5 was the last Samsung Galaxy with a replaceable battery. I had an S3 and upgraded to an S7, and unfortunately the S7 is sealed.
Love the S3 - that was my first full-time Android phone. I still have it, running LineageOS 15 (Android 7.0) rooted with a handful of root apps and Kali Linux running on it.
How do you add the tag line like in the bottom of this message?
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Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to Nightfox on Thu Sep 20 2018 12:48 am
I have no idea what setup Trump has.
In photos early on, he was using a Samsung SIII, circa 2012 or so - and probably running KitKat.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
Batteries are cheap -- walmart.com has a stylo 2 3rd party battery for under $7. No point in going to the manufacturer for one, they probably mark the old stock up when inventory is low.
Isn't BlackBerry using a heavily modified Android now?
yeah, i prefer a lot of things, but when i'm at work i do what i'm supposed to >do. he probably had bodies in the basement.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
Batteries are cheap -- walmart.com has a stylo 2 3rd party battery for under $7. No point in going to the manufacturer for one, they probably mark the old stock up when inventory is low.
Are those safe? My understanding is that 3rd party batteries are not often up to safety spec.
On 09-25-18 12:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
What brand/model? The thing that's bugging me now is that my coverage
has dropped. I have an old phone and think that VoLTE traffic is taking priority over traditional traffic and older devices are suffering.
My phone is 2GB/16GB, was going to go 3/32, but maybe I should think
ahead and get more storage to make it last a little longer.
I'd like to buy an unlocked phone, but it seems like carriers are tying their wi-fi calling services to their branded phones.
I've heard the Dvorak layout is more efficient, and the only reason the qwerty layout was made was to actually slow down typists on the old typewriters, because typing too fast on those would jam them up.
Both of those myths have been debunked: https://itotd.com/articles/3528/the-dvorak-keyboard-controversy/
Interesting read. :)
After the tarriffs Trump has imposed, I'm concerned about more jobs going overseas. Other countries have retaliated with tarriffs of their own on US goods being imported into their countries. Soon after the tarriffs were announced, Harley-Davidson said they wanted to build more of their motorcycles outside the US.
Perhaps the market drove us from five mobile Oses to two. I do know
I'd say so.
I had been on and off Linux as a main desktop OS for years. Always sold on it as a server OS though. Today, I do run Mint on a desktop and quite like it, though I also run Windows. I'm on Windows right now. The Linux box is doing email, and also a useful secondary web browser.
At that point, why not use a small Windows/Mac laptop? It would be easier to install, and you could use the latest version of Photoshop too.
i had the s3 and it worked for about 4 years. i'm surprised you can run lineage on there. it must run slow as hell.
Are those safe? My understanding is that 3rd party batteries are not often up to safety spec.
Ford was planning on bringing an AWD crossover version of the Focus to the US, but it was built in China. Trump tweeted that this would mean American companies bringing jobs back to the US, and Ford promptly responded by saying that they'll keep building the Focus Active, but sell it elsewhere since it wouldn't make money in the US.
Woops!
When Most Subarus and VWs and Toyotas sold in the US are built here, and companies span borders, isolationism is a dead concept.
I bought mine on banggood.com. Wifi calling isn't a thing here at this time. Would be nice to have, though I've got unlimited calls and text anyway.
On 09-26-18 07:05, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Indeed, it was... got me to look at a couple of other articles there as well. :)
On 09-26-18 08:38, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I wouldn't mind 3 - a closed garden (Apple), a wide-open ecosystem
based on F/OSS (Android) and a business/security focused phone like Blackberry. I want a phone where all comms traffic is proxied, email
goes through a gateway, the mail client has selective notification (something no one's ever done as well as BB) and as an admin I have control over my company's phones.
Or, let me run a chroot jail on an android and run all of my company
data in a sandbox that they control.
On 09-26-18 08:45, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I built a Linux desktop image for the developers in my company a few
years back, the idea was to build a dev environment in a VM running on
our Windows boxes.
We used VMWare Workstation, and Evolution as a mail client. With a
couple of addons, Evolution worked as a decent Exchange client, Samba
got to the file shares and spoke AD, and I used a package from Centrify
to authenticate against AD. All in all, it was a nice solution.
On 09-26-18 10:37, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think wifi calling is more useful in places where you don't have a
good cell signal but a wifi/internet signal is available.
companies bringing jobs back to the US, and Ford promptly responded by saying that they'll keep building the Focus Active, but sell it elsewhere since it wouldn't make money in the US.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Sep 25 2018 09:41 pm
Are those safe? My understanding is that 3rd party batteries are not often up to safety spec.
I've used a bunch of them; I like Anker branded batteries, found them to be good.
ford took 5.9 billion in loans from the us govt and the cash for clunkers bullshit really boosted them.
they're full of shit if they think people only want suvs and not sedans. everyone i know is buying sedans. i bought one last year.
i'll just buy a different brand.
sedans. everyone i know is buying sedans. i bought one last year.
i'll just buy a different brand.
The government offered bailout money, so I'm not really sure it's that bad to take something that was offered.. But I do appreciate brands that didn't have to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US
have to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US are buying SUVs, which is why many car makers selling cars in the US make so many of them for sale in the US. When I've traveled to other countries,
On 09-26-18 16:58, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
The government offered bailout money, so I'm not really sure it's that
bad to take something that was offered.. But I do appreciate brands
that didn't have to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US are buying SUVs, which is why many car makers selling cars in the US make so many of them for sale in the US. When I've
traveled to other countries, I've been surprised at how many more
smaller cars people seem to drive in other countries. SUVs, not as
much. If they're selling a lot of SUVs in the us, that's just the way
the market is in the US. I myself tend to prefer a sedan or smaller
car.
traveled to other countries, I've been surprised at how many more smaller cars people seem to drive in other countries. SUVs, not as much. If they're selling a lot of SUVs in the us, that's just the way the market is in the US. I myself tend to prefer a sedan or smaller car.I drive a small manual sedan. Does the job for me. Only time I would consider a SUV is if I was planning on going off road for significant amounts of time. I have done off road driver training, so no stranger to that skill, but at this time only likely to do that in a fire command car.
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop making sedans.
sedans are nice. the one i have is small, is great on gas, has good pickup and it has a large trunk. plus i'm tall and i fit in it fine.
in the winter i will be using my suv which means i will be paying 2x the money on gas.
SUVs are also popular in Australia. For some people they are practical, as there are a lot of uses for an off road vehicle out here, but others just buy them for the prestige or the height or to look intimidating on the road, or whatever. Such City based SUVs that never go off road are known by derogatory nicknames such as "Toorak Tractors" (after an affluent suburb in Melbourne) or "Balmain Bulldozers" (after an affluent Sydney suburb), as a couple of xamples.
We drive a small car too. a bmw 1 series. We live in the centre which is a hassle with parking etc... with a small car you have more chance to be able to park then with a big suv.
The government offered bailout money, so I'm not really sure it's that bad to >take something that was offered.. But I do appreciate brands that didn't have >to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US are >buying SUVs, which is why many car makers selling cars in the US make so many >of them for sale in the US. When I've traveled to other countries, I've been >surprised at how many more smaller cars people seem to drive in other >countries. SUVs, not as much. If they're selling a lot of SUVs in the us, >that's just the way the market is in the US. I myself tend to prefer a sedan >or smaller car.
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop making >sedans.
On 09-27-18 13:15, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
:) I've heard of people buying them for height here too. As far as prestige, I'm not sure I see any more prestige in buying an SUV vs. a smaller car/sedan. I could see perhaps prestige in a luxury brand name, but to me, vehicle size does not equal prestige. There's also the fact that they tend to use more gas, which is something I don't equate with prestige. I think some larger vehicles are even harder to get into/out
of because of their height, since you have to step up/down a bit to get into/out of them.
On 09-27-18 13:10, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Yeah, the fuel economy is one reason I like a smaller car. Also is
there a reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability?
Why not a 4 wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance) are
good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not.
Yeah, I don't buy into it, and I'm not sold on luxury cars either. Many are European, and European cars aren't always well suited to Australian conditions - long distances, extreme heat, dust, rough roads, etc. In fact, some car makers found if they designed cars to survive our worst conditions, they were suitable for just about anywhere. I think the Japanese are among those who caught onto that idea.
Unfortunately, Austrlalian built cars are a thing of the past now, but Australian designed ones are still a reality, since some of the design teams have been kept going, because of their expertise.
I've known people with various European cars, and they seem to have them in the workshop a lot. :)
As for SUVs, you've named another reason I wouldn't buy one (unless I actually was planning on going off road, of course) - gas guzzling. I'm happy with a compact 4 cylinder car that can run on the small of an oily rag, and when the technology and price is right, I'd be happy to go electric (range is a major consideration for me).
Yeah, the fuel economy is one reason I like a smaller car. Also is
there a reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability?
Why not a 4 wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance)
are good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.
Don't see a lot of Subarus here, but their "all wheel drive" has been around for yonks.
SUVs are also popular in Australia. For some people they are practical, as there are a lot of uses for an off road vehicle out here, but others just buy them for the prestige or the height or to look intimidating on the road, or whatever. Such City based SUVs that never go off road are known by derogatory nicknames such as "Toorak Tractors" (after an affluent suburb in Melbourne) or "Balmain Bulldozers" (after an affluent Sydney suburb), as a
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop making sedans.
Well no, not everyone is buying an SUV, and they shouldn't stop making sedans. Just seems like a lot of people in the US these days are buying SUVs.
Yeah, the fuel economy is one reason I like a smaller car. Also is there a reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability? Why not a 4
reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability? Why not a 4 wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance) are good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.
wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance) are good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.---
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not. I do not like driving SUVs so I will be changing makes the next time I have to.
As for SUVs, you've named another reason I wouldn't buy one (unless I actually was planning on going off road, of course) - gas guzzling. I'm
remember what else.. Are any of those available in Australia? I'm not sure they'd be built to survive Australian harsh conditions either..
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop mak >sedans.
I agree but in the area I live in people are SUV and truck crazy. I have never owned one, and would much rather not drive one. Honda or Toyota will get my business the next time I need one.
Well no, not everyone is buying an SUV, and they shouldn't stop making
sedans. Just seems like a lot of people in the US these days are
buying SUVs.
all the articles are saying that suvs are the most popular.
small economical sedans still outsell suvs worldwide, internet sez.
they also say the toyota corolla is the most popular car of all time.
i'm always seeing honda civics.
i just feel safe in my suv and i dont slide. also when you go shopping it has all that storage. and when i moved a few years ago, i moved myself. i
my gf got a subaru and it has great pickup. also it has just a little more HP than my kia but it's much more powerful.
it's an impreza and the trunk space sucks compared to my kia. also i'm 6'2
If I had to get another car, it'll be a Toyota again, maybe a Honda.
they're full of shit if they think people only want suvs and not sedans. everyone i know is buying sedans. i bought one last year.
I drive a small manual sedan. Does the job for me. Only time I would consider a SUV is if I was planning on going off road for significant amounts of time. I have done off road driver training, so no stranger to that skill, but at this time only likely to do that in a fire command car.
We drive a small car too. a bmw 1 series. We live in the centre which is a hassle with parking etc... with a small car you have more chance to be able to park then with a big suv.
Worldwide, yes.. I thought we were just talking about the US market? It seems a lot of people in the US are buying SUVs. As I had said in another message in this thread, I've been to some countries outside the US and have
I've rarely needed a lot of storage when I go shopping, except if I'm buying
my gf got a subaru and it has great pickup. also it has just a little more HP than my kia but it's much more powerful.
it's an impreza and the trunk space sucks compared to my kia. also i'm 6'2
Eh, the Subaru Impreza isn't a pickup.. I just looked up the Impreza to
The only Subaru pickup I've seen in the US lately is the Baja.
I've rarely needed a lot of storage when I go shopping, except if I'm
buying
you must not buy shit. i need room for regular grocery shopping.
my gf got a subaru and it has great pickup. also it has just a
Eh, the Subaru Impreza isn't a pickup.. I just looked up the Impreza
to
IT HAS GREAT PICKUP. i didnt say it was a great pickup.
/facepalm
When I lived in San Francisco I had an old Rabbit Diesel. Small, so I could park anywhere. big-ass chrome and rubber bumpers, so no visible dings. 50 mpg, so I could afford it while in college. Fold down rear seats and a hatchback, perfect for moving stuff cross-town.
I drove a german-made '77, and later a US-made '83. The latter I bought for $700, drove it for 3 years, sold it for the same price.
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not. I do not like driving SUVs so I will be changing makes the next time I have to.
ford got a 5.9 billion loan in june 2009
My car has a trunk.. Of course it has room for groceries. I'm wondering how much groceries you buy where you need a SUV to carry all your grocieries home. Do you buy groceries for the whole neighborhood?
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not. I do not like driving SUVs so I will be changing makes the next time I have to.
ford got a 5.9 billion loan in june 2009
I seem to remember hearing that also.
On 09-28-18 13:48, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I want a battlewagon - a Subaru Outback with a skid plate, some big-ass driving lights, mild lift, knobby tires and a roof rack.
That and fuel economy are the main reasons I like smaller cars.
The only Subaru pickup I've seen in the US lately is the Baja.
I drove a german-made '77, and later a US-made '83. The latter I bought for $700, drove it for 3 years, sold it for the same price.
Here we dont see pickups of Subaru (didnt know they had them) but Impreza sedans and WRX Rally edition are popular with some young kids.
Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-
That and fuel economy are the main reasons I like smaller cars.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
sedans are nice. the one i have is small, is great on gas, has good pickup and it has a large trunk. plus i'm tall and i fit in it fine.
On 09-29-18 21:48, Chai wrote to MRO <=-
I drive a Corolla. It gets good gas mileage, but my 6'2" body is a bit much for it. I'd like to have a minivan or a full-sized sedan like
a Lincoln. Something quiet and roomy.
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally painf
Man alive, I remember those days. At the same time that fuel was US$4 to US$5 per gallon, a pipeline burst in the southeastern United States, affecting the availability of fuel then. Some fuel stations were rationing out, and had long lines of people trying to get fuel.
I don't miss those days, and I worry that we're slowly getting back to those days again.
I've seen some young people driving modified Subarus (what I find funny are the loud mufflers they sometimes use, and the big spoilers they sometimes put on the back - or maybe they come that way?). I've heard Subaru drivers tend to get pulled over by the police more often than average due to younger drivers driving fast/aggressively in them.
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally painful.
hahahha.. true the big spoilers look right as if they were IKEA furniture LOL
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally
painf
Man alive, I remember those days. At the same time that fuel was US$4 to US$5 per gallon, a pipeline burst in the southeastern United States, affecting the availability of fuel then. Some fuel stations were rationing out, and had long lines of people trying to get fuel.
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally
painf
Man alive, I remember those days. At the same time that fuel was US$4 t US$5 per gallon, a pipeline burst in the southeastern United States, affecting the availability of fuel then. Some fuel stations were ration out, and had long lines of people trying to get fuel.
I remember when gas hit those prices, but I didn't see any stations rationin gas or long lines where I live. I was still able to get gas easily.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I didn't know Volkswagen had a US plant back then. I've heard of VWs
in the US being made in either Germany or Mexico, and I heard
Volkswagen built a plant in the US in Chatanooga, TN in 2009 or so,
which seemed like a big deal in the news at the time. Do you know
where in the US Volkswagen was building cars in the early 80s?
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Hmm, you sound like one of those drivers that pisses me off LOL (just teasing ;) ).
On 09-30-18 20:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nope, now I'm driving a Prius - I'm just sick of having the front
valence scrape on every little bump.
Nope, now I'm driving a Prius - I'm just sick of having the front valence scrape on every little bump.
Cool. I've never driven a Prius or any other hybrid. Would like to take one for a test drive sometime.
On 10-08-18 09:09, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I haven't driven a hybrid either. I think the Chevrolet Volt is an interesting idea - The wheels are actually powered entirely by an
electric motor, and the gas engine is only used as a generator to
recharge the battery as needed.
I haven't driven a hybrid either. I think the Chevrolet Volt is an
interesting idea - The wheels are actually powered entirely by an
electric motor, and the gas engine is only used as a generator to
recharge the battery as needed.
That's actually an older idea the "series hybrid", as opposed to the "parallel hybrid" system that the Prios uses, where both the electric and engine can drive the wheels together. There's pros and cons to both approaches.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 07 2018 07:57 am
Cool. I've never driven a Prius or any other hybrid. Would like to take one for a test drive sometime.
I haven't driven a hybrid either. I think the Chevrolet Volt is an interesting idea - The wheels are actually powered entirely by an electric motor, and the gas engine is only used as a generator to recharge the battery as needed.
On 10-08-18 14:48, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think the first hybrid car I heard about was the Honda Insight,
around 2001 or so. I thought it was a parallel hybrid, as you
describe, but I'm not sure. The Chevrolet Volt is the first series
hybrid I had heard about, which I think was introduced in the US around 2008 or so.
I think the first hybrid car I heard about was the Honda Insight,
around 2001 or so. I thought it was a parallel hybrid, as you
describe, but I'm not sure. The Chevrolet Volt is the first series
hybrid I had heard about, which I think was introduced in the US
around 2008 or so.
The concept of the series hybrid was talked about at least as far back as the 80s, and one of the advantages given at the time was that the engine could be run at its optimum point for fuel efficiency to charge batteries and provide additional electricity to drive the motors.
And besides, this is similar to how diesel electroc locomotives work. :)
On 10-10-18 12:52, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You quoted me, but somehow your reply was addressed to Nelgin. Interesting.. I hadn't heard about any type of hybrid car until the
Honda Insight came out in the US (around 2001 or so).
And besides, this is similar to how diesel electroc locomotives work. :)
I've heard that about diesel electric locomotives. I'm not sure if all locomitives are that way though.. When I first heard about that, I thought it could be an inefficient setup to have a gas motor charging a battery, and then the battery driving the motor. I'd think the more points of energy conversion you have, the more energy loss you'd have between the points due to the inefficiency of energy conversion. Why
not have the diesel motor drive the wheels directly? I've heard diesel engines tend to have more torque than gas engines, which is why diesel engines tend to be used in vehicles that haul a lot of weight. I know electric engines tend to have a lot of torque too though..
Well, electric motors have one BIG advantage, they have high torque at zero RPM, while internal combustions have zero torque at zero RPM (i.e. they don't run), so you'd need a decent clutch to handle several megawatts of mechanical power. No batteries in locos (for traction), I believe it's a generator/alternator feeding the motors via some control electronics.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
locomitives are that way though.. When I first heard about that, I thought it could be an inefficient setup to have a gas motor charging a battery, and then the battery driving the motor. I'd think the more points of energy conversion you have, the more energy loss you'd have between the points due to the inefficiency of energy conversion. Why
On 10-10-18 17:16, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Makes sense. I guess it would be hard to build a clutch for such a big engine/machine. :) It seems to me that an electric motor could still benefit from a clutch though, to allow it to operate a vehicle at
higher speeds without spinning the motor to very high RPMs (which would use more energy and would probably wear the motor out faster).
i think they have to use satelite phones for security.
ronald reagan made strong threats. they didnt say he was spouting off.
Too bad for the farmers. They're improving the economy by exploding the
deficit. That's not magic.
the point is, we dont need to import. we have enough resources in the usa. we need to stop sending jobs overseas. we need to make it FAIR in regards to trading.
business, but we are just now starting to feel the effects of his trade war with China. That could get ugly. China IS a bad actor and I don't know
what the best way to deal with that is. It could be that there's no non-painful way to improve the situation.
Boy oh boy is this not true. Open up any piece of electronic equipment, "made in America" or not, and have a look at the chips with a magnifying glass. You'll be hard pressed to find anything in there sourced from the US. All that is over in Asia and that's been the situation for a few decades now. We can probably do without China proper, but it could easily disrupt trade with China, Japan, Korea, and other countries that would absolutely
So less is more. I suppose that makes sense from the developers perspective. If Linux was just one distro, perhaps it would gain additional support as well? I'm referring to Linux as a desktop, of course (not servers, NAS, etc.).
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentiv to write software.
This is the trouble with our current two-party joke of a system; each of the complains bitterly when the other is in charge, and when they get in control they do the same crap as the other party. The national debt stands
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentive to write software.
The fact that one cannot buy a laptop or pre-made desktop without Windows installed is driving me crazy! I have been started to look around for OSless or HDD/SDD-less laptops and it is next to impossible to find them with major retailers like Amazon or NewEgg. The only thing that I can find with these major retailers are Windows, Chromebook/Chrome OS, or Mac OSX. NewEgg had a couple of OSless laptops, but it is through another seller.
It seems like if you want to find a laptop without an OS, you would have to go through a local shop that refurbishes used laptops from businesses that is getting of them, and it's hard to find such dealer. As far as desktops goes, it's a lot easier with building your own.
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentive to write software.
The fact that one cannot buy a laptop or pre-made desktop without Windows installed is driving me crazy!
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentive to write software.
And another thing that bugs me sometimes is people who are of one party make fun of the candidate of the other party when they're in office, but when their own party is in office, they get all defensive when someone makes fun of them and they'll say things like "you shouldn't disrespect the president" and such. It seems a bit hypocritical.
Why? Having Windows available (at least in a dual-boot scenario) can be valuable. When I started at my most recent job they procured a workstation-class Lenovo laptop for me, which of course, came with Windows pre-installed. They said: "we're a Linux shop, just delete that Windows stuff and install Ubuntu 16.04" - I thought: well, that's silly, so I just made it dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu and it's been a life-saver. My first 3 or 4 projects all required proprietary Windows tools and dealing with a VM or Wine would have certainly been additional unnecessary hassle.
I say, keep the Windows install if you can get it, you never know when you might need or want it!
On 10-18-18 13:23, Digital Man wrote to Lizard King <=-
Myself, I still use Windows desktops primarily. It's just a better GUI (for me) and the apps are more consistently good / usable. For simple browser-based work (e.g. G-suite), I don't really care much which OS or browser I use, but for most other stuff I do (e.g. audio/video production), I much prefer Windows.
On 10-18-18 13:28, Digital Man wrote to Jagossel <=-
Why? Having Windows available (at least in a dual-boot scenario) can be valuable. When I started at my most recent job they procured a workstation-class Lenovo laptop for me, which of course, came with
There have been a lot of PCs sold with Linux pre-installed. I don't think they sold as well as Windows PCs. So that could just be Linus' subjective opinion and not necessarily true.
And another thing that bugs me sometimes is people who are of one party make fun of the candidate of the other party when they're in office, but when their own party is in office, they get all defensive when someone makes fun of them and they'll say things like "you shouldn't disrespect the president" and such. It seems a bit hypocritical.
Lizard King wrote to Chai <=-
For what it's worth I think most of Trump's policies have been
beneficial to business, but we are just now starting to feel the
effects of his trade war with China. That could get ugly. China IS a
bad actor and I don't know what the best way to deal with that is. It could be that there's no non-painful way to improve the situation.
I've always felt that Trump cannot possibly be the best person for the
job though... but we are likely stuck with him another term. I've
heard the Dems are talking about running Biden.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Jagossel on Thu Oct 18 2018 01:28 pm
Why? Having Windows available (at least in a dual-boot scenario) can be valuable. When I started at my most recent job they procured a workstation-class Lenovo laptop for me, which of course, came with Windows pre-installed. They said: "we're a Linux shop, just delete that Windows stuff and install Ubuntu 16.04" - I thought: well, that's silly, so I just made it dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu and it's been a life-saver. My first 3 or 4 projects all required proprietary Windows tools and dealing with a VM or Wine would have certainly been additional unnecessary hassle.
I say, keep the Windows install if you can get it, you never know when you might need or want it!
I tend to use Windows myself. If you want to also use Linux, I've debated whether it's more useful to dual-boot or to set up a VM to run Linux in Windows. With a VM, you don't have to reboot the machine and you could run both Windows and Linux software at the same time. The same would be true of someone who prefers working in Linux (they could use a VM to run Windows). The disadvantage of that is you wouldn't be able to run software that would benefit from running on real hardware rather than in a VM. Plus, I suppose you would have to spend money on ensuring you have enough RAM and other resources to run a VM.
Back to the subject of the original post: I buy my phones one revision back from Costco. Still expensive, but not quite as bad, and they do 0% financing over two years, no contract. Well worth it. They save me a pile of money on car insurance as well.
Business, yes. My 80 year old parents and myself? Not so much.
Repubs are wanting to get rid of Social Security and Medicare. They've
said this repeatedly. I'm disabled, so even simple "cuts" to Social Security means I will be out on the street. I struggle to by medicine
and pay bills as it is.
And of course PC sales generally have fallen, to the point that it's not clear what the future of PCs are. I'm kind of alarmed at this, because I don't like working on laptops (the ergonomics alone are horrible) and I love having a desktop although not so much being chained to it.
And with Windows 10 having a Linux/bash subsystem built-in, there may be even less reason for that for some use-cases.
linux hasnt always been easy to use or hardware friendly. that's probably what held it back. i still think linux is best as a server os.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Oct 18 2018 04:44 pm
And with Windows 10 having a Linux/bash subsystem built-in, there may be even less reason for that for some use-cases.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds like it's only for command-line software? I doubt Windows 10 is able to run Linux software that uses a GUI, does it?
For example, I want to make it so that the screen does NOT go to sleep after a certain amount of time -- that it stays on. In settings, there's an option to do just that, so I select it. After 10 minutes, the screen still goes to sleep. After an hour searching, I find a way to do it through some obscure command line parameter. I do that only to find the screen still sleeps. After two more hours of research, I just convince myself that I don't care anymore.
they will never cut social security. i wish you could opt out of it and have your own personal account for your future.
they will never cut medicare.
On 10-18-18 15:18, Minex wrote to MRO <=-
For example, I want to make it so that the screen does NOT go to sleep after a certain amount of time -- that it stays on. In settings,
there's an option to do just that, so I select it. After 10 minutes,
the screen still goes to sleep. After an hour searching, I find a way
to do it through some obscure command line parameter. I do that only
to find the screen still sleeps. After two more hours of research, I
just convince myself that I don't care anymore.
On 10-18-18 21:14, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds like it's only for command-line software? I doubt Windows 10 is able to run Linux software that uses a GUI, does it?
Right, it's command-line only and works surprisingly well. I'm not
really sure what Microsoft's motiviation was for that feature, however.
And with Windows 10 having a Linux/bash subsystem built-in, there may b even less reason for that for some use-cases.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds like it' only for command-line software? I doubt Windows 10 is able to run Linux software that uses a GUI, does it?
Here's a silly, weird question. If one was to rujn an X server on Windows 10 and tweak the $DISPLAY variable in the Linux subsystem. Would it be possible to run X clients in the subsystem and have them displayed on the Windows desktop? Has anyone tried?
For example, I want to make it so that the screen does NOT go to sleep
after a certain amount of time -- that it stays on. In settings,
there's an option to do just that, so I select it. After 10 minutes,
the screen still goes to sleep. After an hour searching, I find a way
This is EXACTLY why I stopped using Linux as a desktop OS around 20 years ago. I found I was spending at least as much time fighting with it as I was actually getting work done. I switched to Windows and haven't looked back.
Depends on the distro. I've had success with Mint, Debian and LUbuntu in tweaking the screen settings through the GUI. Didn't need to use the command line at all. Some distros have fixed their GUI tools, so all the relevant settings can be tweaked just as easily as in Windows. Just did that exact operation on my new LUbuntu netbook installation.
remember struggling to get the GUI environment working. And, there were times when a certain Linux distro just seemed to work well and was able to get everything set up correctly during the install, but when I installed a newer version of that distro, things were broken.. When it seemed like things were broken every other release of a distro, I didn't bother with Linux too much at home.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds likeThat's correct, console only, but it does allow programmers to compile software in linux, as well as SSH'ing out to other linux terminals.
A lot of decisions are made in linux (and other open source projects) because of political squabbles and ego trips, which is frustrating. But it's probably no worse than marketing people making those decisions.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds
like
That's correct, console only, but it does allow programmers to compile software in linux, as well as SSH'ing out to other linux terminals.
have your own personal account for your future.
they will never cut medicare.
You are right in that these ideas are wildly unpopular, and nobody can even talk about them without risking their political careers.
Unfortunately, the math says otherwise: there is no money to pay for these programs going forward. It's basically a pyramid scheme you are paying
There will be huge pressure to just print more money, which the Fed can do... but my grandparents left Germany to get away from hyperinflation
On 10-19-18 08:33, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here's a silly, weird question. If one was to rujn an X server on Windows 10 and tweak the $DISPLAY variable in the Linux subsystem. Would it be possible to run X clients in the subsystem and have them displayed on the Windows desktop? Has anyone tried?
It's absolutely possible, and I was doing this as far back as Windows
95. In fact I exported the window manager from one of our Linux
servers to my desktop and it looked like I was running linux on my desktop. (I was.)
On 10-19-18 10:02, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yep. In the past, I always liked SuSE Linux (now OpenSUSE), because it always seemed to have good tools, and I was able to set up and tweak
the GUI more successfully with it than with other distros. My go-to
Linux distro for a desktop these days tends to be Mint with Cinnamon.
I did it remotely with X clients running on Linux, but don't have a Windows 10 box to try it with.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
Do the $500 phones last longer? I do not think I've ever spent quitethat
much for a phone. So, honestly, I wouldn't know.
On 10-21-18 11:58, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've used it at work to avoid the prying eyes of IT; run a firefox
session on a Linux VM (which they cannot even see), export display to
my laptop, and Facebook all I want. Well within reason anyway.
Eventually I got tired of that and set up a Win7 VM running under kvm
here at home which I would RDP into to do stuff like that while I was
at the office.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar to TEMPLE-OS
:D
Oh and it runs CAUSTIC like a
charm. So wh en I'm on a road-trip or on a airline flight I can be
rockin' some rhythms on my phone, and throwing in basslines :D )
app.
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar toTEMPLE-OS
Good night... would the user have to program their own basic phone functions like the dialer, contact list, etc.? Better learn some C and print the API documentation. :p
-jag Code it, Script it, Automate it!
Awesome! I'm not the only one that uses Caustic! I lack the musical
talent to create music, but I enjoy playing around in Caustic to create the sounds. When Single Cell Software released an update that included a modular/patch panel machine, I had alot of fun messing around in there.
-jag Code it, Script it, Automate it
That one would have got around the proxy on all except one site, which wanted everything outbound blocked except for HTTP and HTTPS for their user PCs. :)
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar to TEMPLE-OS
:D
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get the fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
I'm amazed how many people know about Temple-OS considering how weird and useless it is. Does anyone actually use it for anything (now that the
guy who wrote it isn't around anymore)?
//lizard_king
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: djatropine to Nightfox on Sun Oct 21 2018 05:17 pm
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get the fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
I'm amazed how many people know about Temple-OS considering how weird and useless it is. Does anyone actually use it for anything (now that the guy w wrote it isn't around anymore)?
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get t fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
I don't really like bigger phones either. It used to be that smaller phones were considered better because of what you said, people didn't want to lug around big phones, but now it seems a bigger screen is desirable. I keep (jokingly) wondering if they'll start making cell phones as big as tablets o computer monitors.. I imagine someone holding a monitor-sized screen to the head saying "Can you hear me now?"
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get th fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
Wow I didn't know he died. He was a weird one!
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Minex on Mon Oct 22 2018 19:55:36
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get th fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
Wow I didn't know he died. He was a weird one!
Quoted the wrong message? :D
If you're referring to the developer of Temple-OS, I agree. If I recall, he really did have a mentaln illness that lead him to develop Temple-OS. It did show, a little bit, that he was mentally ill. Admitally, though, Temple-OS is unique.
Wasn't the Samsung Note crossing that threshold of phone and tablet? I don't remember which phone it was exactly, but I remember it being an excessively large phone or a ridicously small tablet.
I'm amazed how many people know about Temple-OS considering how weird and useless it is. Does anyone actually use it for anything (now that the
guy who wrote it isn't around anymore)?
//lizard_king
Oh. Useless? I don't think so :D
With audio drivers it would be super super tight.
Wow I didn't know he died. He was a weird one!
If you're referring to the developer of Temple-OS, I agree. If I recall, he really did have a mentaln illness that lead him to develop Temple-OS. It did show, a little bit, that he was mentally ill. Admitally, though, Temple-OS is unique.
Exactly. :-)
seems like it would be difficult to get running and less than useful once you would get it up. also i'm not so keen on running an os from someone who's mentally ill.
On 10-22-18 10:27, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I would have tried setting up a port forward on 80 or 443 to see if
that worked before giving up. I always put RDP on a non-standard port anyway, just because.
I don't understand the proxy issue though -- the Linux VM I was running firefox on isn't part of the IT network, but can reach the IT network.
So they have no idea I'm running a web browser at all, and all the http requests were going out of one of our datacenters, not the office.
This is something that IT literally does not have access to. All
they'd see is a mysterious inbound TCP connection to my laptop that is very chatty.
Now if you want to talk about something crazy, in the early 90s I
worked in a government facility and managed to get my PC on the
Internet -- web browser and everything. That was through a BBS called "FedWorld" (no, really) that operated on the gov't network and had an Internet connection. Anyone remember "term"?
That gave the security people FITS. They could not understand how I
was doing it and tore apart my office looking for a modem. They never could find that modem because it didn't exist. I thought the whole
thing was very amusing.
1. Traffic/bandwidth management in the early days, when conserving bandwidth was paramount. The proxy was actually a Squid cache. Caching was a major performance booster when the Internet connection was 33.6k dialup.
A side effect is I occasionally sprung someone surfing porn, which a friendly "Oh, that's an interesting site you're surfing" phone call resolved. :)
"FedWorld" (no, really) that operated on the gov't network and had an Internet connection. Anyone remember "term"?
The name rings a bell, don't remember anything though.
seems like it would be difficult to get running and less than useful once you would get it up. also i'm not so keen on running an os from someone who's mentally ill.
Actually it is amazingly easy to set up, and if you have vmware player/workstation you can have a TempleOS install going in about 5 minutes.
What you will DO with it is something that I could not personally figure out
The color scheme and flashing cursor stuff also put me off... it's pretty garish and noisy.
From what I gathered, he wasn't just ill, he was schizophrenic and didn't take his meds. I think he ended up homeless before the end.
He believed that God directed him to make that OS, and God dictated the programming language he should use (Holy-C) and even the screen resolution it should have (640x480 if I remember right).
He also had some fairly unpleasant theories about "n-ggers" and Jews being responsible for various programming language features. There are youtube videos in which he rants about a wide variety of things, including Linux.
A strange dude for sure. And Temple-OS might be even stranger.
On 10-24-18 00:50, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I had to do this also on a network I managed, but we're going back to
the mid-90s now. At one point because of an error (bonehead office manager canceled the upstream network connection) we were running the whole office across dual 56k dialup links. I had to be a real bastard about who was using the network for what, and I had persistent web
traffic I couldn't figure out.
Finally I increased the logging until I saw what it was. Not just
porn, but gay porn. Not just gay porn but really explicit gay porn.
And I knew whose computer it was. I sent out an email to the office saying we were monitoring the web usage and to please keep it work-related.
An hour went by, and he was still at it. Finally I got up from my
desk, walked over, and said to him "I can see everything you're looking at." Real quiet so no one overheard. The color drained from his face
and he never made eye contact with me again. He was a very closeted
dude, married, kids. I felt kind of bad, but I gave him plenty of chances. And that ended the ack starvation problem that was generating tons of complaints.
I don't remember the particulars of how it worked, but you ran it on
the remote end of a telnet session and it tunnelled TCP/IP over telnet.
Applications had to be compiled with term support; "mosaic+term" was something I ran a lot. This would have been... 1994/1995. The web was very much in its infancy.
enough computers were bundled with OS/2. And I think Microsoft was using some tactics to provide PC makers a lot more incentive to install Windows, making Windows more popular.
But this reminds me a bit of a guy who posted some messages on Dove-Net several years ago about some new OS he was developing with "HyperTurbo" in the name. He claimed it could run software made for any OS and was super fast. It seemed to be vaporware though.
Microsoft pressured PC vendors to buy a Windows license for every PC sold, to "combat piracy". That had the result of driving vendors to market Windows, since they're already paying for it.
There was a means where someone with determination could get a refund for an unused Windows license on a new PC, made for some entertaining reading.
of other issues. I had a similar issue with the boss's Internet connection at home, which was also a VPN link to the office, and when diagnosing a speed issue (this was mid 2000s, so it was all ADSL and VPN), I found a lot of strange entries in the log for what looked suspiciously like a dating site. Further investigation revealed it to be a gay dating site, and the
Sounds a bit like SSH forwarding, which you can do the same with, with a bit of work (people have done things like tunnel PPP over SSH :) ).
I'd think a PC vendor would have the choice to install whatever OS they wanted to install on their PCs. PC vendors would pay for a license for whatever OS they choose to install, including Windows. I'm not sure it should be up to the PC vendors to have the burden of preventing piracy of an OS they might not choose to install on their PCs. This seems like a roundabout way of Microsoft saying "We want you to buy our OS".
On 10-24-18 21:03, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
While looking through the files that needed to be moved over there were
a lot of Word and Excel files, a bunch of technical blueprints, all
that sort of thing... and about 50 gigs of porn. (A lot at the time.)
He was into Latinas apparently.
Sounds a bit like SSH forwarding, which you can do the same with, with a bit of work (people have done things like tunnel PPP over SSH :) ).
Yep, this was years before ssh though... or at least before I heard of ssh. :)
I'd think a PC vendor would have the choice to install whatever OS
they wanted to install on their PCs. PC vendors would pay for a
license for whatever OS they choose to install, including Windows.
You'd think so... but a PC vendor would go out of business, and quickly, if Microsoft refused to sell them licenses. So they could pressure them to do things like install Windows on everything, or at least charge for the license anyway if it came pre-installed with Linux. (I remember a few of those being around, but they were few and far between.)
Personally I've always preferred to do my own builds, but once in a while I'll need a PC for something on short notice and will buy one at Fry's or whatever, and then I end up with a Microsoft Windows CD/DVD which then gets used in countless VM installs. I've currently got an old copy of Windows 7 that about 3 VMs were installed off... and I think that's even legal since it's rare that two would be running at the same time, much less 3.
I'm sure Microsoft would be happy to sell a Windows license. Why would Microsoft refuse to sell a license for Windows?
I could totally see Microsoft refusing to give a company a certain price unless they agreed to sell licenses on all their PCs, not just some of them. They regularly forced other companies out of business doing predatory things like this, and if that didn't work, they'd buy the company and just stop producing their stuff.
I believe they did that to
Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
I'm sure Microsoft would be happy to sell a Windows license. Why
would Microsoft refuse to sell a license for Windows?
I could totally see Microsoft refusing to give a company a certain price unless they agreed to sell licenses on all their PCs, not just some of them. They regularly forced other companies out of business doing predatory things like this, and if that didn't work, they'd buy the company and just stop producing their stuff. I believe they did that to Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
that to Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus": https://www.microfocus.com/borland
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
I believe they did that to
Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus": https://www.microfocus.com/borland
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
it's because they offer the best operating system for the widest range of people.
But the end result was, if you wanted to compile code for Windows, you were probably using a Microsoft compiler. Borland stuff just disappeared. I lost interest and shifted my attention to Linux.
On 10-26-18 09:53, Nightfox wrote to Lizard King <=-
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus": https://www.microfocus.com/borland
On 10-26-18 13:04, nugax wrote to Lizard King <=-
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: MRO to nugax on Fri Oct 26 2018 04:17 pm
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
it's because they offer the best operating system for the widest range of people.
I'm pretty sure if they only offered an operating system they would've been marginalized a long time ago. I think it's all their other market-leading software (e.g. office), devices (e.g. Xbox), and services (e.g. Skype) that more likely have kept them successful.
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
i think they're successful because they earned it, not because they are
an evil company.
This reminds me of when I was setting up a new computer for the CEO of a consulting client after hours (when I preferred to do this sort of thing).
While looking through the files that needed to be moved over there were a lot of Word and Excel files, a bunch of technical blueprints, all that sort of thing... and about 50 gigs of porn. (A lot at the time.) He was into Latinas apparently.
Awesome! I'm not the only one that uses Caustic! I lack the musical
talent to create music, but I enjoy playing around in Caustic to create the sounds. When Single Cell Software released an update that included a modular/patch panel machine, I had alot of fun messing around in there.
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland
still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and
found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus":
https://www.microfocus.com/borland
Yes, but the development tools (Delpi, C++) went to Embacadero Technologies: https://www.embarcadero.com/
it's because they offer the best operating system for the widest
range of people.
yeah, i meant back then in the time frame where they were making deals with vendors for the os installs.
i think they're successful because they earned it, not because they are an evil company.
I heard Microsoft made a lot of deals with PC vendors with stipulations like the PC vendors couldn't install competing software (for instance, PC vendors couldn't install other web browsers because Microsoft wanted only IE on the systems), and things like that. Things like that seem like anti-competitive behavior. Perhaps Microsoft earned their success to an extent, but IMO
behavior. Perhaps Microsoft earned their success to an extent, but IMO anti-competitive behavior is more of a bullying tactic and I don't think that means they have earned it. There were other operating systems back in
I used to often think Windows was crap. It seemed bloated (you needed a relatively powerful PC to run it) and sometimes it seemed like it would crash a lot. I haven't had a Windows crash on my home PC in a long time though..
OS2 and other softwares were not as polished as windows. the customer made out well in the end.
I used to often think Windows was crap. It seemed bloated (you needed
a relatively powerful PC to run it) and sometimes it seemed like it
would crash a lot. I haven't had a Windows crash on my home PC in a
long time though..
that's probably the 3rd party software you were using or you had a hardware problem. i was running windows 7 ultimate on a 1ghz netbook with 1 gig of ram. and i was playing wow on it at work on the low settings. you
for me windows 10 has been real good. i think it spontaneously rebooted once on me and i had it running for over a month. i notice my browsers take up a ton of memory and need to be closed. i think we need to be more strict with 3rd party developers.
Windows 10 has been fairly good for me too. I just think the UI is fugly, and I don't like that Microsoft sometimes pushes updates. Even if you disable the updates, Microsoft still sometimes has a way to push updates to Windows 10.
Windows 10 has been fairly good for me too. I just think the UI is
fugly, and I don't like that Microsoft sometimes pushes updates. Even
if you disable the updates, Microsoft still sometimes has a way to
push updates to Windows 10.
i replaced the start menu and everything looks like win7 to me. i would get updates but keep an eye on them.
On 10-29-18 21:48, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Oh I'm talking about Windows 3.1, and Win95 to an extent.. Fairly well before Windows 7. I actually haven't had any serious problems with Windows or my PC in a long time.
Windows 10 has been fairly good for me too. I just think the UI is
fugly, and I don't like that Microsoft sometimes pushes updates. Even
if you disable the updates, Microsoft still sometimes has a way to push updates to Windows 10.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar to TEMPLE-OS
:D
I wonder when they will release Microsoft Bob Mobile.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Mr. Cool to djatropine on Sun Nov 04 2018 01:25 pm
I wonder when they will release Microsoft Bob Mobile.
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile phones..
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones..
They actually released it for Windows Phone. I checked it out and wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:06 pm
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones..
They actually released it for Windows Phone. I checked it out and wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
I saw that they actually released it. Though, it looked like it was in the form of an app rather than an actual operating system.
wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
I saw that they actually released it. Though, it looked like it was in the form of an app rather than an actual operating system.
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile phones
They actually released it for Windows Phone. I checked it out and wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an announcemen that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile phones..
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones
There is probably a DOSBOX release for it, which would be better if you actually wanted to run anything. I've seen videos where people have
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcemen that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones..
I remember seeing that a few years back on Youtube. I was under the impression that there wasn't an actual app until I saw someone do a demonstration video as well.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Sun Nov 11 2018 11:57 am
I remember seeing that a few years back on Youtube. I was under the impression that there wasn't an actual app until I saw someone do a demonstration video as well.
Yeah, I think the April Fool's Joke for it was that it was going to be
an actual OS, but later I heard someone made a MS-DOS app.
On 11-12-18 14:02, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-
Last I checked: lDOSBox, aDOSBkx, Magic DOSBox (tbe one I use), and
DOSBox Turbo (the one I used to use, until VK3JED mentioned that Magic DOSBox can do serial port emulation). The variants of DOSBox I just
listed is just for Android alone. I'm not sure about iOS, though.
i think they faded out of exsitance. None seen in any stores window phones
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