Vk3jed wrote to Clifra Jones <=-
On 08-27-18 08:07, Clifra Jones wrote to Jagossel <=-
Not to mention that's how Windows came to dominate the world - millions
of pirated copies of Windows 3.x. :) Today, the only thing that has
been able to offer any resistance has been free software (Linux), which has come to dominate the Internet server space, and many niche markets.
Remember when Internet servers ran OSs like Solaris, BSDi and other flavours of UNIX. Today it seems Linux is the most common one, with a fair number of Windows servers and a bit of *BSD.
Vk3jed wrote to Clifra Jones <=-
LibreOffice is very good. I use it on my Linux desktop, and at a non profit, I installed it on the admin desktop, because someone wanted a
I'd like to see a modern version of OS/2. I feel like we need more choices.
LibreOffice is very good. I use it on my Linux desktop, and at a
non profit, I installed it on the admin desktop, because someone
wanted a
For free, I have only one complaint. The interface needs a graphical overhaul. It looks like it was written for Windows 2000. In the end tho, it's the functionality that counts.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Re: Windows Dominance
By: Chai to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 27 2018 05:19 pm
There was another company that picked up OS/2 after IBM and continued developing OS/2 as eComStation. And more recently, I've heard there is
a new version of OS/2, called ArcaOS 5.0: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/new_version_of_os_2_arca_os_5
On 08-27-18 17:19, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
been able to offer any resistance has been free software (Linux), which has come to dominate the Internet server space, and many niche markets.
I'd like to see a modern version of OS/2. I feel like we need more choices.
Microsoft used to make the argument that Linux servers were more
expensive to maintain, due to their complexity. That didn't seem to
stop linux though.
On 08-27-18 17:21, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Clifra Jones <=-
LibreOffice is very good. I use it on my Linux desktop, and at a non profit, I installed it on the admin desktop, because someone wanted a
For free, I have only one complaint. The interface needs a graphical overhaul. It looks like it was written for Windows 2000. In the end
tho, it's the functionality that counts.
On 08-27-18 20:34, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
Unfortunately, only 32 bit. This is most likely meant to appeal to businesses that still use OS/2 for a platform.
Unfortunately, only 32 bit. This is most likely meant to appeal to businesses that still use OS/2 for a platform.
Some ATM's, and parts of the NYC subway system, etc.
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Well, there is ArcaOS, but I'd like to see an OS/2 based system with a more modern network stack, for starters
Windows Server is at least as complex as Linux. Trouble is Windows tries to hide the complexity, which is fine when everything's working, but a real pain when things go pear shaped. Linux is at least honest about its complexity, and that makes it easier to get inside and fix the system when things break. :)
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There was another company that picked up OS/2 after IBM and
continued developing OS/2 as eComStation. And more recently, I've
heard there is a new version of OS/2, called ArcaOS 5.0:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/new_version_of_os_2_arca_os
_5
Unfortunately, only 32 bit. This is most likely meant to appeal to businesses that still use OS/2 for a platform.
I have fond memories of IBM, even though they put out a crappy CPU for Apple.
Didn't they work on the PowerPC processor together with Apple and Motorola? I had read it was a joint effort.The 750(aka G3) was pretty much the only CPU the AIM alliance really worked together on. The 74xx(G4) were mostly designed by Motorola, and the 970(G5) was an effort from IBM to impress Apple using the MHz myth. They took a POWER4
PCI and AGP. IBM really did kill consumer RISC machines. But hey, we now have the swiss cheese that is x86, and a gazillion specialized instructions nobody uses.
I don't normally notice asthetics. My interaction with computers and software occurs on a strictly functional level. :)
Unfortunately, only 32 bit. This is most likely meant to appeal to
businesses that still use OS/2 for a platform.
64 bit would mean a LOT of architectural changes to support the 16 bit stuff we know and love. It would have to incorporate a VM service. The 64 bit mode of AMD and Intel processors was designed to NOT support 16 bit software (to avoid the complication and waste of unneeded segment registers in 64 bit mode), so that support has to be done in other ways.
Unfortunately, only 32 bit. This is most likely meant to appeal to
businesses that still use OS/2 for a platform.
Some ATM's, and parts of the NYC subway system, etc.
That reminds me of the day I walked up to am ATM (2009) and it was crashed out to the Windows 95 screen. Almost scared me out of ever using an ATM again.
The real issue is that 80% of the IT staff out there have 0 Linux experience and are terrified of even trying to learn it. I've implemented
Well, there is ArcaOS, but I'd like to see an OS/2 based system with a more modern network stack, for starters
On 08-28-18 08:05, Clifra Jones wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The real issue is that 80% of the IT staff out there have 0 Linux experience and are terrified of even trying to learn it. I've
implemented several open source application for things like backup, IT monitoring, computer imaging on Linux at $0 cost to the company and
when I've showed these to the IT staff of some of our other operating companies they are like "Oh, we can't support Linux". Thing is once
they are installed and running support is literally non-existent. They don't break! If you take the time to learn the software you can manage
the application which is no different than managing an application on Windows. Plus patch management in Linux is light years superior than Windows.
On 08-28-18 12:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Normally I'm not really an artsy person, but I've always noticed aesthetics. I thought Mac OS used to look nice, even though I was
always a DOS/Windows user. And as I've mentioned before, I think
Windows 7 looks better than Windows 8/10. I played with BeOS for a
little bit of time in the late 90s and thought it looked nice as well.
I feel a little more inspired to use a PC when the software looks nice rather than if it doesn't look good (though I'll still enjoy using it).
On 08-28-18 12:34, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I wonder if it would be good to do what Windows does and have a 32-bit version that supports the older 16-bit stuff and a 64-bit version that doesn't support 16-bit stuff. But it would be nice if a 64-bit version would support 16-bit software easily. I've heard BBS sysops running 64-bit versions of Linux are able to run 16-bit DOS doors, so I suppose
it can be done.
On 08-28-18 07:57, Clifra Jones wrote to Chai <=-
That reminds me of the day I walked up to am ATM (2009) and it was
crashed out to the Windows 95 screen. Almost scared me out of ever
using an ATM again.
On 08-28-18 12:36, Nightfox wrote to Clifra Jones <=-
I don't think I've seen a Windows crash screen on an ATM, but I suppose Windows-based ATMs are out there. I've heard OS/2 has been fairly
popular in banking though, and I've seen some ATMs with OS/2 crash
screens (at least in pictures).
On 08-28-18 12:38, Nightfox wrote to Clifra Jones <=-
Every OS has a learning curve. If you can learn one OS (such as
Windows), I think you can learn another. I was always mainly a DOS/Windows user, but I've used Linux over the years for some projects
at home and at work, and these days I feel fairly comfortable using
Linux. It's just a matter of using and learning it.
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
Well, there is ArcaOS, but I'd like to see an OS/2 based system with a more modern network stack, for starters
Windows Server is at least as complex as Linux. Trouble is Windows
tries to hide the complexity, which is fine when everything's working,
but a real pain when things go pear shaped. Linux is at least honest about its complexity, and that makes it easier to get inside and fix
the system when things break. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
I don't normally notice asthetics. My interaction with computers and software occurs on a strictly functional level. :)
Clifra Jones wrote to Chai <=-
That reminds me of the day I walked up to am ATM (2009) and it was
crashed out to the Windows 95 screen. Almost scared me out of ever
using an ATM again.
On 08-28-18 20:50, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just check the prices.. 129 USD for the personal edition and 79 USD
for the drivers. ????? huh... That are high prices IMHO. Windows 10 OEM
is 30 USD legally.
On 08-28-18 21:50, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, and I suppose it's difficult making money on an OS without
the eco-system to sustain it. They'd go bankrupt.
I'd like to know them both. I set up Windows Server 2012 (under a VM)
to admin about 25 PC's in a class I took. I know very little about how
to secure these servers, though. I really should spend more time with
On 08-28-18 21:54, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, that's a weakness on my part. To do real work, the appearance of
the product is not that important. It just makes the product feel more polished, and I tend to like shiny things.
My eye doctor uses LibreOffice. If it's good enough for them... :)
Hmm, apples and pranges, OEM vs retail. What's the retail version of Windows 10 worth?
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It would have scared me too. Supposedly, banks using older systems is
what makes jackpotting possible. Where there is money.....
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I'd like to see a modern version of OS/2. I feel like we need more choices.
For free, I have only one complaint. The interface needs a graphical overhaul. It looks like it was written for Windows 2000. In the end tho, it's the functionality that counts.
Unfortunately, only 32 bit. This is most likely meant to appeal to businesses that still use OS/2 for a platform.
I agree, more choice is good. I miss the days when there was MacOS, Windows, BeOS and OS/2.
Don't forget voicemail. OS/2 rocked for real time voice capture, and could multitask well enough to run the back end of most Octel voicemail systems.
I agree, more choice is good. I miss the days when there was MacOS, Windows, BeOS and OS/2.
I miss those days too. Though, I don't think BeOS ever really took off too much. I never heard of BeOS until around maybe 1997 or 1998, and by that ti they had already decided to port BeOS to x86 from their Motorola-based BeBox machines that they had been developing before. I think I read that BeOS started in the early 90s? When BeOS released an x86 version, I bought a cop (it was either 4.0 or 4.5, I think) so I could support them, but I always ha the impression that BeOS was a niche OS and never became widely known.
I miss those days too. Though, I don't think BeOS ever really took
off too much. I never heard of BeOS until around maybe 1997 or 1998,
Apparently, it was well known enough to have an open source version of it: Haiku. Lately, Haiku has taken the direction of building Haiku and the software for Haiku with the GNU tool chain. There might be a good reason for it, I just never bothered with finding out why.
On 08-29-18 11:51, Clifra Jones wrote to Vk3jed <=-indows
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Hmm, apples and pranges, OEM vs retail. What's the retail version of
10 worth?
... An aphrodisiac and a floor wax?
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Windows 10 Home $139.99 on NewEgg.com
Windows 10 Pro $149.99 on NewEgg.com
I miss those days too. Though, I don't think BeOS ever really took
off too much. I never heard of BeOS until around maybe 1997 or 1998,
Apparently, it was well known enough to have an open source version of Haiku. Lately, Haiku has taken the direction of building Haiku and the software for Haiku with the GNU tool chain. There might be a good reaso for it, I just never bothered with finding out why.
Yes, I've seen Haiku. It looks interesting, but it seems like one of those projects that could take a seriously long time. There's a similar project I been watching, ReactOS, which is an open-source OS aimed to be compatible wi Windows - I've been watching ReactOS for about 15 years or so and they still don't have what they would consider a 'stable' 1.0 release. I have a feelin the same thing may be happening with Haiku.. Development seems fairly slow it.
I don't think I've seen a Windows crash screen on an ATM, but I suppose Windows-based ATMs are out there. I've heard OS/2 has been fairly popular in banking though, and I've seen some ATMs with OS/2 crash screens (at least in pictures).
Every OS has a learning curve. If you can learn one OS (such as Windows), I these days I feel fairly comfortable using Linux. It's just a matter of using and learning it.
I just check the prices.. 129 USD for the personal edition and 79 USD for the drivers. ????? huh... That are high prices IMHO. Windows 10 OEM is 30 USD legally.Hmm, apples and pranges, OEM vs retail. What's the retail version of Windows 10 worth?
Windows Server is good for corporate networks, when you want central control through a domain (or more). I have worked with it and for certain roles, I do like Windows Server. But more in larger offices than at home (except for playing :) ).
I agree, more choice is good. I miss the days when there was MacOS, Windows, BeOS and OS/2.
I've been watching ReactOS as well, and development is slow for both Haiku and ReactOS. I believe ReactOS is getting a little better in their development speed, but it is still really buggy (from what little I have used it). I know that ReactOS has made some progress (more than prior years) lately, but it seems like they have a long ways to go.
In the past ReactOS tried to be a "Windows alternative", now they are marketing themselves as "supporting older Windows applications."
It is a novel idea both ReactOS and Haiku, though.
I would love to buy MacOS for my PCs... I ran once a hackintosh... but every update it was broken. Now running an iMac with MacOS and running fine. Also run Linux (mostly ubuntu and debian) and on my modern systems Windows 10 64bit.
I think one of the big problems of ReactOS (and I think they've even said th themselves) is that there are a number of undocumted APIs in Windows that so software uses, and without documentation, it would be difficult to reverse-engineer those APIs. And undocumented APIs could also change withou notice. I'm not sure how big of an issue that is with Haiku/BeOS though, depending on how open Be was about its documentation. I guess since BeOS is longer in development, its APIs shouldn't change anymore, at least.
Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
True! I use and used a lot of different OS and to be fair they all have the same basis. Even with their pros and cons. People who say Linux is safer than Windows and MacOS are not aware of all exploits for every
OS...
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
True. Yeah pity there's no way OS/2. could be open sourced. :(
Windows Server is good for corporate networks, when you want central control through a domain (or more). I have worked with it and for
certain roles, I do like Windows Server. But more in larger offices
than at home (except for playing :) ).
Clifra Jones wrote to Chai <=-
The industry I have been in for 15 years, Construction, is terrible
about spending any money on tech. We are just now moving forward on
some of our systems because the ones we were on were just so old they
the app does not supoprt SSH. The list goes on. Everything I've been telling them for years but they would not listen to me.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
I agree, more choice is good. I miss the days when there was MacOS, Windows, BeOS and OS/2.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
If you'd said that when I ran Office 2013, I'd agree. Office 2016 is my favorite, with the search bar I don't need to remember which menu a command is buried under.
I think one of the big problems of ReactOS (and I think they've even
said th themselves) is that there are a number of undocumted APIs in
I'm pretty sure that they admitted as one of the problems they run into: undocumented APIs. I also them remember saying that they swap out assemblies between Windows Server 2013 and ReactOS and watch what would happen durring their tests.
I makes me wonder how in the world FreeDOS made it, though. It is a decent alternative to MS-DOS and FreeDOS 1.2 has the same feel as MS-DOS 6.22; to me, at least.
On 08-30-18 11:40, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
190 USD... 130+80=210... not to bitch about the price but I suppose I
can call and find information easier with Microsoft than ArcaOS. But building an own PC with ArcaOS should give an OEM option and you can
start from scratch. Why not offer a trade-in like Microsoft also did
with their competition?
On 08-30-18 11:45, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm using Windows 2016 Server DataCenter in home. Ok, as Microsoft
insider I got this for a special price but the difference is I can run many VMs. My NAS with this OS is nice as I can use Linux VMs, Windows
VMs, etc... I have 24 GB of RAM and it's working fine. I prefer
official software. If I had the chance to run ESXi VMWare official I
would prefer this over Windows 2016 as main OS. But Windows 2016 gives
me the easy way to run Windows applications.
If I didnt had the opportunity to run Datacenter I ran the Standard Edition, adequate enough.
On 08-30-18 14:48, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True. Yeah pity there's no way OS/2. could be open sourced. :(
That would be terrific. IBM completely abandoned the personal computer market. I've often wondered why they haven't done that.
Windows Server is good for corporate networks, when you want central control through a domain (or more). I have worked with it and for
certain roles, I do like Windows Server. But more in larger offices
than at home (except for playing :) ).
I have server 2012 laying around somewhere (academic). I've been
meaning to load it up on my second system and play around with it.
The real issue is that 80% of the IT staff out there have 0 Linux experience and are terrified of even trying to learn it.
I agree, more choice is good. I miss the days when there was MacOS,
Windows, BeOS and OS/2.
I miss those days too. Though, I don't think BeOS ever really took off too much. I never heard of BeOS until around maybe 1997 or 1998, and by that time, they had already decided to port BeOS to x86 from their Motorola-based BeBox machines that they had been developing before.
I just remembered a really *weird* time - 93-94. I worked at a company that was about 60/40 Mac/Windows. We used Netware file servers for cross-platform file sharing, Appletalk for printing from macs, and we'd just rolled out some Windows NT 3.51 boxes running databases and I was running OS/2.
Most Windows users were on WfW 3.11, and a couple of groups had set up group mailboxes, shared schedules, chat and departmental shares.
Early Windows 95 betas had some netware code that would let it use Netwae core protocols to file share, connect to the network and talk to Netware networks and look like a Netware file server. That didn't make it to production, obviously.
On top of that, we had UNIXware and SunOS boxes running as a bastion host and DNS server.
That was probably the most diverse network environment I worked in.
True. Yeah pity there's no way OS/2. could be open sourced. :(
That would be terrific. IBM completely abandoned the personal computer market. I've often wondered why they haven't done that.
I think BeOS could have made a great operating system, from what I've been old.
I never actually used it. It's a shame that the lawsuits shut them down.
True. Yeah pity there's no way OS/2. could be open sourced. :(
That would be terrific. IBM completely abandoned the personal
computer market. I've often wondered why they haven't done that.
I think you'll find that third parties, especially Microsoft, own the rights to much of the source code.
Linux servers get hit all the time. Linux desktops are typically a lessor target than Windows though, right? Does that still hold true? That doesn't mean the operating is safer, other than the fact that not many people use it, so it's not a priority for the hackers.
True. if someone found a big exploit its even on the mainstream news while big exploits for MacOS or Linux are rarely on the news.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Considering that ownership of OS/2 was passed to the other company that made it into eComStation, and now to the copmany making it as ArcaOS,
I'm not sure there is a legal way for it to be open-sourced.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
remade it as ArcaOS. I'd think they would own the rights to the source code, but I'm not sure how that all works, with Microsoft and IBM
having been involved with it in the past.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
I agree, more choice is good. I miss the days when there was MacOS, Windows, BeOS and OS/2.
I think BeOS could have made a great operating system, from what I've been old.
I never actually used it. It's a shame that the lawsuits shut them down.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
remade it as ArcaOS. I'd think they would own the rights to the source code, but I'm not sure how that all works, with Microsoft and IBM having been involved with it in the past.
According to the Lunduke show, they are creating binary patches by reverse engineering, with IBM's blessing. I'm not sure if that means they don't have source code or not.
Early Windows 95 betas had some netware code that would let it use Netwae core protocols to file share, connect to the network and talk to Netware networks and look like a Netware file server. That didn't make it to production, obviously.
--- POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote --
Re: Windows Dominanc
I just remembered a really *weird* time - 93-94. I worked at a company tha about 60/40 Mac/Windows. We used Netware file servers for cross-platform f sharing, Appletalk for printing from macs, and we'd just rolled out som Windows NT 3.51 boxes running databases and I was running OS/2
Most Windows users were on WfW 3.11, and a couple of groups had set up gro mailboxes, shared schedules, chat and departmental shares
Early Windows 95 betas had some netware code that would let it use Netwae protocols to file share, connect to the network and talk to Netware networ and look like a Netware file server. That didn't make it to production obviously
On top of that, we had UNIXware and SunOS boxes running as a bastion host DNS server
That was probably the most diverse network environment I worked in
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--- NIGHTFOX wrote --
Re: Re: Windows Dominanc
Considering that ownership of OS/2 was passed to the other company that ma into eComStation, and now to the copmany making it as ArcaOS, I'm not sur there is a legal way for it to be open-sourced
Nightfo
On 09-01-18 13:27, Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Yes, it was a production feature. It was for easier migration. You had
to install it seperately later. Windows 95 Plus feature if I recall
good. Also NT server could emulate behaviour as Netware server. Those
easy tools were the reason people could move so easy from Netware to
NT. When domains came more important Netware took too long, also kept sticking to IPX/SPX while TCP/IP was preferable for internet services.
On 09-01-18 15:09, the doctor wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
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Arizona State University was like that when I worked there.
I used to be the OS/2 guy... then I was the Mac/OS guy.
On 09-01-18 15:14, the doctor wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
Didn't Microsoft write a fair bit of OS/2, before Dave Cutler got
there?
Netware was a solid system, but its reliance on IPX/SPX held it back, once the prevalence of the Internet mandated networks run IP.
--- VK3JED wrote --
On 09-01-18 15:09, the doctor wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=
Haha in my first job, I was the Amiga guy (because I was the only one able work out how to use one ;) ), then when I worked as a network admin, I was Linux guy, as well as the IP and networking guru. :
On 09-02-18 12:11, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah I remember a dealer meeting and EVERYONE asked when and how
Netware 3 will have stable TCPIP without any hassle... market does not need it. I said... in front of you are several dealers asking for it... too arrogant. For me that was the tipping point I knew I couldnt
promise my customers future proof TCPIP solutions with netware.
HAWKEYE
On 09-02-18 18:00, the doctor wrote to VK3JED <=-
This all sounds very familiar. I mmade it all up as I went along. My whole career is a sham. (:
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Considering that ownership of OS/2 was passed to the other company that made it into eComStation, and now to the copmany making it as ArcaOS, I'm not sure there is a legal way for it to be open-sourced.
If they have full ownership rights, I suppose so. People used to speculate hat
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
Re: Re: Windows Dominance
By: Chai to Nightfox on Fri Aug 31 2018 09:04 pm
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Considering that ownership of OS/2 was passed to the other company that made it into eComStation, and now to the copmany making it as ArcaOS, I'm not sure there is a legal way for it to be open-sourced.
If they have full ownership rights, I suppose so. People used to speculate hat
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
Um, Chrome OS?
If they have full ownership rights, I suppose so. People used to speculate hat
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
Digital Man wrote to Chai <=-
Clarification: Doesn't Chome OS compete with Windows? That's I meant.
MRO wrote to ALL <=-
Re: Re: Windows Dominance
By: Digital Man to Chai on Sun Sep 02 2018 10:06 pm
If they have full ownership rights, I suppose so. People used to speculate hat
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
You just described the oses that are competing with windows.
If they have full ownership rights, I suppose so. People used to speculate hat
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
remade it as ArcaOS. I'd think they would own the rights to the
source code, but I'm not sure how that all works, with Microsoft and
IBM having been involved with it in the past.
According to the Lunduke show, they are creating binary patches by reverse engineering, with IBM's blessing. I'm not sure if that means they don't have source code or not.
Considering that ownership of OS/2 was passed to the other company
that ma into eComStation, and now to the copmany making it as ArcaOS,
I'm not sur there is a legal way for it to be open-sourced
Didn't Microsoft write a fair bit of OS/2, before Dave Cutler got there?
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or
ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
You just described the oses that are competing with windows.
I can't remember when Netware finnaly ran on IP, but it was well after that time, and everyone (including the company I was working for at the time) had already migrated to Windows networking or another IP based solution.
It's a shame, Netware was a solid product that held up well, even when there were little glitches in the underlying hardware. It was more tolerant of those than Windows was.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
smartphones and tablets. Also I've never heard of Fuschia.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
If they have IBM's blessing to do it, I don't know why they wouldn't be able to have the source code to work with.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
that Google was planning to create their own Linux distribution.
Android is based on Linux (I've heard), so I suppose that wasn't
entirely inaccurate..
If they have IBM's blessing to do it, I don't know why they wouldn't
be able to have the source code to work with.
Yet, they are doing binary patches to the kernel. Would they need to do that if they had the source code? I just assumed the answer was no, but I'm not a developer either.
I don't think Android competes with Windows (at least, not directly). I've
I've
never seen a desktop or laptop PC with Android on it, only smartphones and tablets.
If they have full ownership rights, I suppose so. People used to specul hat
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
I haven't heard that exactly. Quite some time ago I heard some rumors that Google was planning to create their own Linux distribution. Android is base on Linux (I've heard), so I suppose that wasn't entirely inaccurate..
Google would one day create their own OS. Not Android, Fuschia or
ChromeOS, ut
something to compete with Windows. Obviously, that never happened.
You just described the oses that are competing with windows.
I don't think Android competes with Windows (at least, not directly). I've never seen a desktop or laptop PC with Android on it, only smartphones and tablets. Also I've never heard of Fuschia.
smartphones and tablets. Also I've never heard of Fuschia.
It is an experimental OS Google is working on to possibly replace Android, and Chrome OS.
See "https://goo.gl/v4zm6V"
It's more geared towards a unifying experience accross devices, similar
to what Microsoft and Apple have done. What the end result of it will
be is anybody's guess. I imagine it will still be web centric.
I do know, for sure, that Android is using the Linux kernel, and some odd Java VM for the user interface. Android might be using the GNU toolset, but I haven't look that deeply into it.
Didn't there used to be laptops with Android? Or, I think, it might have been more glorified tablets with a keyboard attachment...
Either way, there is a x86 port of Android available, but it is based off of the more pure Android than the Google-fied Android.
Yeah, the Java VM that Android uses is called Dalvik. It's not just for
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
By "binary patch", I think that means they are making updates to the
OS/2 kernel? In order to make updates to it, developers typically
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
yes, there are laptops that run android. go look on amazon.
you can run android on a desktop computer, also.
I've heard Microsoft's Visual Studio now lets you make Android apps too, I think using C#. I haven't used that for making Android apps though, I've on uesd Google's Android Studio (and previously, Eclipse with the Android SDK before Android Studio came out).
I've heard Microsoft's Visual Studio now lets you make Android apps
too, I think using C#. I haven't used that for making Android apps
though, I've on uesd Google's Android Studio (and previously, Eclipse
with the Android SDK before Android Studio came out).
I believe would be through Xamarin, correct? I believe Xamarin will do other platforms as well: iOS and Windows UWP.
I see Android and Chrome OS as more of a competitor to Microsoft's ARM based S,
or whatever they've designed for low end hardware. I see what you're
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
yes, there are laptops that run android. go look on amazon.
you can run android on a desktop computer, also.
Android x86, but you have to like touch screens. Otherwise, it doesn't feel right.
or whatever they've designed for low end hardware. I see what you're saying. It's taking market share (in certain market segments), thus it is a form of competition.
I just don't think it will completely overtake Windows anytime soon. I doubt we'll
ever see Steam on Chrome OS. Video editing is still better with local
On 09-03-18 20:05, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can't remember when Netware finnaly ran on IP, but it was well after that time, and everyone (including the company I was working for at the time) had already migrated to Windows networking or another IP based solution.
It was 3.12 which had 'good' support but way too late.
Yes, but Microsoft tried to let us use Netbeui for LANs but they saw companies wanted to use WAN connections and offered TCPIP.
Netware was rock solid stable. Best story of the office was someone
called and they said they bought a server with us. Nobody knew about it
of the staff. So they came to me, as I was the owner. I remember I installed there a Netware 286 SFT. But I thought they were using a different system after 9 years. They didnt the hdd crashed and this was the first time they called us. Lesson learned: growing too big get some customers out of sight and... damn Netware was stable. They had a
backup. I was able to restore it and migrate them. Netware at first was only compatible with IBMs MCA bus, which was difficult to find and expensive.
I see Android and Chrome OS as more of a competitor to Microsoft's ARM based S,
Yes, I heard Microsoft worked with IBM on OS/2 up until version 1.3 or so. Maybe Microsoft has some rights to the old OS/2 source code, but probably not the new OS/2 code.
Re: Re: Windows Dominance
By: Nightfox to Chai on Tue Sep 04 2018 16:10:19
I see Android and Chrome OS as more of a competitor to Microsoft's ARM based S,
Windows S? is not for ARM, it also can run on intel/amd. S stands for Secure, you can only install apps from the Windows Store.
Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
Windows S? is not for ARM, it also can run on intel/amd. S stands for Secure, you can only install apps from the Windows Store.
I think the 'S' stands for 'Student' actually, but yeah, it was supposed to be more secure and reliable. <shrug> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3 254175/microsoft-windows/windows-10-s-co mes-to-an-undignified-but-not-unexpected-end.html
I intended to write ARM based "systems". I switched from nano to notepad, and a user error occurred. Sorry.
yes, there are laptops that run android. go look on amazon.
you can run android on a desktop computer, also.
Android x86, but you have to like touch screens. Otherwise, it doesn't feel right.
Yeah, that sounds like a typical Netware server - sits in the corner and just keeps running. :)
I see Android and Chrome OS as more of a competitor to Microsoft's
ARM based S,
Windows S? is not for ARM, it also can run on intel/amd. S stands for Secure, you can only install apps from the Windows Store.
Yes, I heard Microsoft worked with IBM on OS/2 up until version 1.3
or so. Maybe Microsoft has some rights to the old OS/2 source code,
but probably not the new OS/2 code.
They partnered on OS/2, right up until Windows NT 3.5, when Microsoft decided to go it alone. I used Microsoft Word and Excel for OS/2 back in 1991...
I have one of those cheap ARM netbooks running WindowsCE or Android; it does feel a little odd to use a mouse or a trackpad with Android. But, for $30, who's complaining? :)
You quoted someone else but were repling to me..
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
I have one of those cheap ARM netbooks running WindowsCE or Android; it does feel a little odd to use a mouse or a trackpad with Android. But,
for $30, who's complaining? :)
On 09-06-18 08:50, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
They were great as long as they were doing routing, file and print services. it was the third party apps that killed my uptime. Cheyenne's Arcserve backup was notorious for consuming system resources and not letting go. I'd have to reboot servers monthly instead of yearly. :)
My current (Android) smartphone came with an adapter you can plug in to the bottom (USB/power) port of the phone that has a USB port on it. One time I tried plugging a USB mouse into it, and it worked. I thought it was funny seeing a mouse cursor on my phone.
Kool on setting up a windows server in VMWell, there is ArcaOS, but I'd like to see an OS/2 based system with a more modern network stack, for starters
Well, there is ArcaOS, but I'd like to see an OS/2 based system with a
more modern network stack, for starters
On 12-19-18 18:48, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
Well, there is ArcaOS, but I'd like to see an OS/2 based system with a more modern network stack, for starters
I would be happy with OS/2 Warp 4 as-is if there was a free, working
NFS driver available for it. Best as I can tell, there is not???
tried plugging a USB mouse into it, and it worked. I thought it was funny seeing a mouse cursor on my phone.
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