Re: Roadtrip - Hot Springs, AR
By: Dmxrob to All on Wed Jun 20 2018 05:45 pm
We like to old-school things -- roadside park lunches, use a Road Atla take the side roads instead of Interstate, etc. etc. When we get to
On 06-21-18 12:34, Datalus wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Plan you trips on the internet and print it out simple
Sam a.k.a. Datalus
Doesn't work if you are in a paperless environment. :P And that's one thing that annoys me about society today, even government departments - the assumption that everyone has a printer. I normally have so little need for one that it's not worth maintaining one, and I have issues with supporting an industry that promotes waste by selling refills for a price similar to the printer itself (ready to go).
assumption that everyone has a printer. I normally have so little need fo that it's not worth maintaining one, and I have issues with supporting an industry that promotes waste by selling refills for a price similar to the printer itself (ready to go).
On 06-21-18 16:52, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I occasionally still print things, but I do it so rarely that when I
had an inkjet printer, the ink would often dry up before I'd want to
use it again. I ended up buying a laser printer, which uses toner and doesn't have that problem. A laser printer and toner is more
expensive, but if it can sit for a long time and still let me print
when I need to, then I think there's more value in that for me than an inkjet printer.
On 06-22-18 02:55, Static wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I used to use an old Lexmark Optra S because of that sort of thing. The printer itself was gotten secondhand from a recycler for peanuts and wasn't fussy about cheap third party cartridges, which were each good
for around 18K pages. It ran reliably for over ten years before a bad storm blew something on one of the circuit boards and let the magic
smoke out.
Agree, laser printers are a better fit, but there's still the cost of toner replacement.
From memory, some really old HP inkjets were also good for using refills (could DIY).
On 06-22-18 17:50, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Toners are getting cheap if you're talking black and white. I just got
a 1500 page toner for my Samsung laser for $35.
On 06-22-18 17:52, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I had a Deskjet 500, the first consumer inkjet that I knew of. I wish
I'd kept that thing. 300 DPI, but built like a tank.
I had a friend who worked in printing, and he would bring me a bottle
of "blanket conditioner" - rubber conditioner they'd use on printing presses. It'd rejuvenate glazed print rollers and make windshield
wipers like new. As soon as the paper feed started slipping, I'd rub
some of that stuff on the rollers and they'd be like new.
Plan you trips on the internet and print it out simple
Sam a.k.a. Datalus
Plan you trips on the internet and print it out simple
Sam a.k.a. Datalus
I'd rather buy a map or use an app that can download the routes I need for offline use (Google Maps can do this on Android).
On 06-24-18 16:49, Dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We've been in places before on our road trips where for 100+ miles
there is no cell service. Your road atlas becomes your best friend.
On 06-24-18 16:48, Dmxrob wrote to Datalus <=-
You are missing the point. That is about as fun as copy and paste. Roadtrips are about exploring, turning OFF the technology and
exploring. Google and Bing maps do nothing more than show you the quickest point from A to B -- which is useless.
You are missing the point. That is about as fun as copy and paste. Roadtrips are about exploring, turning OFF the technology and exploring. Google and Bing maps do nothing more than show you the quickest point from A to B -- which is useless.
A great book I once read was titled, "I Drove from New York to San Francisco
We've been in places before on our road trips where for 100+ miles there is no cell service. Your road atlas becomes your best friend.
On 06-25-18 06:49, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dmxrob <=-
Google allows you to download offline map data, but you need to do so before you leave coverage. Admittedly, I like the road less traveled approach.
Wow, that sounds like fun. Haven't taken a road trip in a long time.I encourage you to do it! I can't tell you how much enjoyment we all get out of this. Sure, there are moments of "Ugh, I can't take these people anymore!"
but for the most part it is the time of our lives. The open road, quirky little towns, picnics in parks - just a wonderful, relaxing time. We don't worry about cell phones or Internet, just enjoy each others company!
Static wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I used to use an old Lexmark Optra S because of that sort of thing. The printer itself was gotten secondhand from a recycler for peanuts and wasn't fussy about cheap third party cartridges, which were each good
for around 18K pages. It ran reliably for over ten years before a bad storm blew something on one of the circuit boards and let the magic
smoke out.
of my companions. :) In 2015, I toured the UP, and most of the costal lower P, of Michigan. This past Summer, I toured Northern WI, Northeastern MN, costal NW Ontario, Manitoulin Island, the Bruce Penninsula, and the
Toners are getting cheap if you're talking black and white. I just got a 1500 page toner for my Samsung laser for $35.
what i like about toners is that they never dry up like many inktcartridge over a time, i print very less so prefer laser/toner.
for $35 used that had 1200 pages on the engine - I joked that the head of HR in some company had a printer at his/her desk for "Confidential" printouts that barely got used.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
doesn't have that problem. A laser printer and toner is more
expensive, but if it can sit for a long time and still let me print
when I need to, then I think there's more value in that for me than an inkjet printer.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dmxrob <=-
Google allows you to download offline map data, but you need to do so before you leave coverage. Admittedly, I like the road less traveled approach.
when I need to, then I think there's more value in that for me than
an inkjet printer.
That's why I use specific Brother laser models. I can use aftermarket toner cartridges in my printer without a problem. I think I paid $20 for four cartridges (1 Blk, 3 Clr). When you work out cost per page, it comes out way cheaper than inkjet. And, as you say, toner doesn't dry out.
I guess there's a use for the tradtional car GPS unit, after all. Old school, but at least the maps are stored on the device. No cell service required.
It's been awhile since I've traveled via paper map. I'm a little too dependent on GPS satellites for navigation.
Office Depot was charging for the toner. I found some aftermarket toner on Amazon for quite a bit less. I don't remember exactly what it cost, but it was a pack of 3 toner cartridges for less than Office Depot was charging for one of the black toner cartridges from Brother. I thought it was a fairly good deal.
never used that though, but I've driven in some new developments where houses are just being built and streets were just recently laid down, and the GPS didn't seem to know there were streets there.
That's why I use specific Brother laser models. I can use aftermarket toner cartridges in my printer without a problem. I think I paid $20 for four cartridges (1 Blk, 3 Clr). When you work out cost per page, it comes out way cheaper than inkjet. And, as you say, toner doesn't dry out.
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And the quality is comparable, which is what is surprising. I'm only on my first round of aftermarket toner for this printer, so I will only know the long term effects given more time. In today's digital world, I rarely need to print anymore, so toner lasts me an incredibly long time. I occasionally print out coupons and bar codes for pick ups at stores and coupons at restaurants. Other than that, not much printing happens here. Speaking of which, I'd like for digital coupons to become more standardized and streamlined. There's little need for paper coupons in 2018. I guess it does keep the mailman happy.
In 2012, I bought an aftermarket GPS stereo for my car. It communicates w GPS satellites rather than having the maps all stored in the unit, so I su it can use the most up-to-date maps via the GPS satellites. It does have
never used that though, but I've driven in some new developments where
houses are just being built and streets were just recently laid down,
and the GPS didn't seem to know there were streets there.
I was always under the impression that GPS satellites only transmit telemetry data. The GPS devices I've used use that data to pinpoint your location on the maps stored on the device. That may be why the roads did not show up for you. You have to update the maps with a PC. Or, that could be just one more thing I wasn't aware of before jumping on these echos. I'm not sure how quickly map data gets updated.
On 06-26-18 16:22, Chai wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I guess there's a use for the tradtional car GPS unit, after all. Old school, but at least the maps are stored on the device. No cell
service required.
It's been awhile since I've traveled via paper map. I'm a little too dependent on GPS satellites for navigation.
It's been awhile since I've traveled via paper map. I'm a little too dependent
on GPS satellites for navigation.
On 06-26-18 17:09, Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
In 2012, I bought an aftermarket GPS stereo for my car. It
communicates with GPS satellites rather than having the maps all stored
in the unit, so I suppose it can use the most up-to-date maps via the
GPS satellites. It does have a memory card slot that the manual says
is for updated maps.. I've never used that though, but I've driven in some new developments where houses are just being built and streets
were just recently laid down, and the GPS didn't seem to know there
were streets there.
On 06-27-18 01:36, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
Or, that could be just one more thing I wasn't aware of before jumping
on these echos. I'm not sure how quickly map data gets updated.
It's been awhile since I've traveled via paper map. I'm a little too dependent
on GPS satellites for navigation.
I don't use GPS or cell phone navigation. The only times I tried, it
either could not figure out where I was (at the harbor in Copper Harbor, MI), or it tried to tell me that I was at least 1/4 mile out into Lake Michigan (several times along Michigan's West Coast, between Traverse City and Ludington, when I was in places where the lake was not even visible).
And the quality is comparable, which is what is surprising. I'm only on my first round of aftermarket toner for this printer, so I will only know the long term effects given more time. In today's digital world, I rarely need to print anymore, so toner lasts me an incredibly long time.
I was thinking about that after I posted my message, and I think you may be right. The GPS satellites probably just pinpoint where you are, and the map data is probably stored in the device.
I seem to recall seeing that the GPS manufacturer charges money for updated map data.. I'm not sure I could download it for free.
In 2012, I bought an aftermarket GPS stereo for my car. It
communicates with GPS satellites rather than having the maps all
stored in the unit, so I suppose it can use the most up-to-date maps
via the
No, they would be stored in the unit. All the GPS satellites do is broadcast the time signals that the system relies upon to determine position (AFAIK), but no mapping data would be up there. That is added on the ground end.
My 2014 Prius is due for a map update - they're $150 from the dealer and come on a DVD. There's a DVD-R under the seat. eBay and Torrent sites have them, too.
I don't use GPS or cell phone navigation. The only times I tried, it either could not figure out where I was (at the harbor in Copper Harbor, MI), or it tried to tell me that I was at least 1/4 mile out into Lake Michigan (several times along Michigan's West Coast, between Traverse City and Ludington, when I was in places where the lake was not even visible).
It seemed to have no concept of, "if the human using me is there, I need to notify 911 because the human is drowning."
i use gps all the time. especially since i'm a little night blind and it helps me see the turns.
I have a laser printer in my office at work; I'm working in a more old-school environment and I print way more than I used to. PDFs are much nicer than printouts, and as they said, you can't grep a dead tree.
My 2014 Prius is due for a map update - they're $150 from the dealer
and come on a DVD. There's a DVD-R under the seat. eBay and Torrent
sites have them, too.
It seems silly they charge so much for a map update. And your car has a DVD burner under the seat? Or did you mean DVD-ROM?
Re: Re: Roadtrip - Hot Spring
By: Nightfox to Chai on Wed Jun 27 2018 09:29 am
I was thinking about that after I posted my message, and I think you may be right. The GPS satellites probably just pinpoint where you are, and the map data is probably stored in the device.
I seem to recall seeing that the GPS manufacturer charges money for updated map data.. I'm not sure I could download it for free.
My 2014 Prius is due for a map update - they're $150 from the dealer and come on a DVD. There's a DVD-R under the seat. eBay and Torrent sites have them, too.
They would have to have maps stored on them somehow. GPS satellites don't transmit map data or graphics, only position info.
On 06-28-18 00:11, MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
i think you had an issue with your device.
i use gps all the time. especially since i'm a little night blind and
it helps me see the turns.
On 06-28-18 09:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, after I posted my message, I realized the GPS satellites are probably only sending the location and the maps must be stored in the unit.
On 06-28-18 07:16, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
My 2014 Prius is due for a map update - they're $150 from the dealer
and come on a DVD. There's a DVD-R under the seat. eBay and Torrent
sites have them, too.
On 06-28-18 09:42, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I also use GPS, mainly when I'm going somewhere I've never been to in
an unfamiliar area, or when I'm driving in an area I haven't been to in
a long time. And sometimes you need to know the correct lane to be in
or else you won't be able to make a turn you need or take an offramp
you need, etc. Sometimes I wish there was a better design for roads so that people wouldn't have to rely on GPS and such. Before GPS, it was easier to make a mistake and have to figure out a way back on the route you need to be on.
On 06-28-18 06:30, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
I have a laser printer in my office at work; I'm working in a more old-school environment and I print way more than I used to. PDFs are
much nicer than printouts, and as they said, you can't grep a dead
tree.
On 06-28-18 09:46, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One time I got so used to using grep on a PC that I was looking for something in my apartment (probably hidden in a box in a closet or something) and I wanted to just grep for it so I could find it easier..
And I've pretty much run paperless since 2004. :)
Paperless at home, too - and most of my stuff is on Google Docs. My
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
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On 06-28-18 09:46, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One time I got so used to using grep on a PC that I was looking for something in my apartment (probably hidden in a box in a closet or something) and I wanted to just grep for it so I could find it easier..
Haha if only I could do "find | grep" in the physical world! :D I love grep, such a useful little utility. :)
I like grep so much, sometimes I think it's the only reason I use *nix boxes.
Then, I think of the other million reasons.
Re: Re: Toner
By: Jazzy_J to Vk3jed on Fri Jun 29 2018 12:15 pm
I like grep so much, sometimes I think it's the only reason I use *nix boxes.
There's a GNU Grep available for Windows too. It works on the command line just like the *nix Grep. There are GUI Grep tools for Windows too, but I'm used to the command-line one.
There's a GNU Grep available for Windows too. It works on the command
line just like the *nix Grep. There are GUI Grep tools for Windows
too, but I'm used to the command-line one.
Windows comes with "findstr" too, but I usually prefer grep (or fgrep).
I install this on any Windows PC I use regularly: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
On 06-29-18 06:29, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Paperless at home, too - and most of my stuff is on Google Docs. My inkjet's document feeder died last night, scanning what I get with that has changed the way I kept paper. Scan it and shred it.
On 06-29-18 12:15, Jazzy_J wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like grep so much, sometimes I think it's the only reason I use *nix boxes.
Then, I think of the other million reasons.
i use gps all the time. especially since i'm a little night blind and it helps >me see the turns.
It seemed to have no concept of, "if the human using me is there, I need to notify 911 because the human is drowning."Well you could have been in a boat..
Re: Re: Toner
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Fri Jun 29 2018 06:29 am
Paperless at home, too - and most of my stuff is on Google Docs. My
I still find it hard to want to rely on something in the cloud like Google Docs. What if your internet service goes out or your router dies and you're unable to access your files?
I still find it hard to want to rely on something in the cloud like Google Docs. What if your internet service goes out or your router dies and you're unable to access your files?
I like grep so much, sometimes I think it's the only reason I use *nix boxes.
If you must deal with it. I hate storing documents as images, they take up a lot of space and are hard to manipulate in a meaningful way.
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Re: Re: Toner
By: Jazzy_J to Vk3jed on Fri Jun 29 2018 12:15 pm
I like grep so much, sometimes I think it's the only reason I use *nix boxes.
There's a GNU Grep available for Windows too. It works on the command line just like the *nix Grep. There are GUI Grep tools for Windows
too, but I'm used to the command-line one.
Then, I think of the other million reasons.
Yep, there are good reasons to use *nix.
Nightfox
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Re: Re: Toner
By: Nightfox to Jazzy_J on Fri Jun 29 2018 01:21 pm
Re: Re: Toner
By: Jazzy_J to Vk3jed on Fri Jun 29 2018 12:15 pm
I like grep so much, sometimes I think it's the only reason I use *nix boxes.
There's a GNU Grep available for Windows too. It works on the command line just like the *nix Grep. There are GUI Grep tools for Windows too, but I'm used to the command-line one.
Windows comes with "findstr" too, but I usually prefer grep (or fgrep).
I install this on any Windows PC I use regularly: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
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Re: Re: Toner
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Jun 29 2018 01:33 pm
There's a GNU Grep available for Windows too. It works on the command
line just like the *nix Grep. There are GUI Grep tools for Windows
too, but I'm used to the command-line one.
Windows comes with "findstr" too, but I usually prefer grep (or fgrep).
I install this on any Windows PC I use regularly: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
Interesting.. I usually install at least Grep, and sometimes the other GNU tools, using GnuWin32:
http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net
They have individual packages you can download, but there's also a
package I've seen that installs all the GnuWin32 tools.
Nightfox
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There are Flying J's here - they are open all night, and I knowMy Super WalMart is so popular where bus parking is kinda rare.
Wal-Mart has made their parking lots "bus friendly" for people
traveling in larger RV's. Can't dump water or plug into electricity,
but if you need supplies they know where you're going to buy them. :-)
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