I've gotten out my old Lenovo laptop (the screen fell off, but still functioning otherwise) and installed Arch Linux on it with SSH. Now I can use my phone to remote into the laptop when I'm home and work on it.
Awesome, but...
I have no idea what to do with it and what to work on next. Here a couple of small projects that I have in mind:
- xrdp server: allow remote GUI connections over RDP
- virtual machine server w/ web access and RDP
- node.js workstation
These are not programming projects at all, just something to set up in what little free time I get at nights. I am open to other ideas as well.
Thoughts?
I've gotten out my old Lenovo laptop (the screen fell off, but still functioning otherwise) and installed Arch Linux on it with SSH. Now I c use my phone to remote into the laptop when I'm home and work on it.
I have no idea what to do with it and what to work on next.
Maybe a web server? Streaming media server? Plex is a nice media server software and can be managed remotely via a web interface, and you can also a media to it by simply copying the files over to the machine via the network.
I have forgotten about Plex Media Server. I've set it up in the past, but I thought that I've asked about the legality of using it to keep local copies of our movies and concluded it was illegal to do so. It might have been a discussion with the lunch crowd I hang out with. I do know that it can stream online content as well by transcoding it, still though...
Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: Jagossel to All on Mon Jun 04 2018 08:53 pm
I've gotten out my old Lenovo laptop (the screen fell off, but still functioning otherwise) and installed Arch Linux on it with SSH. Now I can use my phone to remote into the laptop when I'm home and work on it.
Awesome, but...
I have no idea what to do with it and what to work on next. Here a couple of small projects that I have in mind:
- xrdp server: allow remote GUI connections over RDP
- virtual machine server w/ web access and RDP
- node.js workstation
These are not programming projects at all, just something to set up in what little free time I get at nights. I am open to other ideas as well.
Thoughts?
Maybe a web server? Streaming media server? Plex is a nice media server software and can be managed remotely via a web interface, and you can also add media to it by simply copying the files over to the machine via the network.
Plex plays a prominent role in my family's A/V entertainment. :-)
If you own a movie on DVD, Blu-ray, etc., it seems hard to argue that it would be illegal to do something like that with something you bought and own. I'm not sure it's worth fretting over whether you watch the movie by
If you own a movie on DVD, Blu-ray, etc., it seems hard to argue that it would be illegal to do something like that with something you bought and own. I'm not sure it's worth fretting over whether you watch the movie by putting in the disc or watching it from your media server.
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
The 1974 Copyright act includes fair use provisions, including play on other devices where you own the media and archival backups. It's the DMCA that makes it illegal to crack the copy protection in order to make your (legal) backup/media translation.
It's why you could make a cassette copy of an LP album, since you don't have a turntable in your car.
I have forgotten about Plex Media Server. I've set it up in the past, but I thought that I've asked about the legality of using it to keep local copies of our movies and concluded it was illegal to do so. It might have been a
also add media to it by simply copying the files over to the machine via the network.
Plex plays a prominent role in my family's A/V entertainment. :-)
that when trying to play a video from Plex, it occasionally is unable to play and sits at the loading/buffering spinner. It happens even when we aren't heavily using our network. The other day I ended up just copying the movie onto a USB drive and plugging that into the TV to watch it.
Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: Chai to Nightfox on Tue Jun 05 2018 09:12 pm
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
Since music CDs don't use encryption, I suppose there's no legal problem with ripping your own CDs for your own personal use?
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
That's an odd legal situation.. I suppose that's why some movies on DVD/blu-ray include a "digital copy" that you can download from them. I alw thought "digital copy" was an odd name for that - The first time I saw a DVD saying "Includes digital copy", I thought of course it's digital, it's a DVD I didn't realize at first that "digital copy" referred to a file on your har drive. I'd think they would have made a better name for that..
Nightfox wrote to Jagossel <=-
If you own a movie on DVD, Blu-ray, etc., it seems hard to argue that
it would be illegal to do something like that with something you bought and own. I'm not sure it's worth fretting over whether you watch the
Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
Since music CDs don't use encryption, I suppose there's no legal
problem with ripping your own CDs for your own personal use?
music cds have had copy protection for 18 years. i'm not sure if they bother to add it still because i dont buy cds
For a while there, we were getting movies from Disney every month, and we'd get a variety of formats: DVD, Blu-Ray, and "digital copy". The interesting thing about the "digital copy" is that they give you a code to get to your favorite stream provider to redeem that digital copy. Our family heavily streams for entertainment (TV shows, movies, and music). That, to me, would be the reason to NOT have Plex: we barely own hard copies of anything.
We, also, have Pandora Premium and it's so worth the $10/month. I've downloaded a few albums and been listening to music in offline mode.
Depends where you are. In Australia, you are allowed to convert media formats for compatibility with your own playback devices, so if you copy one of your Blu-Ray discs to your Plex server and then use the Plex server to view it in your own home, you're legal (according to my understanding). Different jurisdictions have different laws, of course.
I've been collecting music CDs since 1992 and ripping them in PCs since the late 90s, and I've never had a CD with copy protection. I've always been able to rip CDs easily.
Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Jun 05 2018 12:23 pm
Plex plays a prominent role in my family's A/V entertainment. :-)
We have been using Plex quite a bit too. Sometimes though, we've noticed that when trying to play a video from Plex, it occasionally is unable to play and sits at the loading/buffering spinner. It happens even when we aren't heavily using our network. The other day I ended up just copying the movie onto a USB drive and plugging that into the TV to watch it.
music cds have had copy protection for 18 years. i'm not sure if they bother add it still because i dont buy cds
For a while there, we were getting movies from Disney every month, and we'd get a variety of formats: DVD, Blu-Ray, and "digital copy". The interesting thing about the "digital copy" is that they give you a code get to your favorite stream provider to redeem that digital copy. Our family heavily streams for entertainment (TV shows, movies, and music). That, to me, would be the reason to NOT have Plex: we barely own hard copies of anything.
Seems to me that would be a reason FOR having Plex.. If you redeem a lot of digital copy movies to download, you could put them on your Plex server to watch. Unless I've misunderstood.. I've never used a redemption code for a digital copy - Does it allow you to download a video file of the movie, or d it allow unlimited streaming from somewhere?
We, also, have Pandora Premium and it's so worth the $10/month. I've downloaded a few albums and been listening to music in offline mode.
I didn't know Pandora lets you download albums.. I've used Pandora (free version) a little bit, but what has annoyed me a little about Pandora is tha you'll ask it to play a certain band's music, and it will, but then it will start playing other band's music that sounds similar. I suppose that's part the point of Pandora, but usually if I ask for a certain band, I would just want it to play that band.
I've been collecting music CDs since 1992 and ripping them in PCs
since the late 90s, and I've never had a CD with copy protection.
I've always been able to rip CDs easily.
what software do you use?
When we have problems with Plex, often it's the player (not the server) and using a differnet player/device (e.g. PC/browser vs. Xbox vs. tablet vs. phone vs. Roku vs. FireTV, etc.) or updating the player on the device fixes the problem.
IIRC, it was some licensing thing that kept you from getting the song or album directly playing on request; eventually it will get there. Yes, the point was to get you to discover other similar artists. It worked well for me because I never heard of Loscil, E.S. Posthumus, H.U.V.A Networks, ATB, OceanLab, etc. before I sarted listening to Pandora back in 2007.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Is that true even for encrypted discs? Normally, DVD and blu-ray discs have encryption to try to prevent people from ripping them.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-te copy of an LP album, since youdon't
have a turntable in your car.
I'm wondering if it's legally okay to rip music CDs for your own use, since CDs don't use encryption.
And as far as DVD/Blu-ray ripping, if you're just using someone else's software to rip a movie, technically I'd think it wasn't you who
cracked the copy protection; it was someone else who did that..
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
instead i use a cheap walmart laptop and play my videos with vlc.
the girlfriend likes a few tv shows so she has slingtv on it.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
music cds have had copy protection for 18 years. i'm not sure if they bother to add it still because i dont buy cds
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Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jun 05 2018 07:54 pm
Since music CDs don't use encryption, I suppose there's no legal
problem with ripping your own CDs for your own personal use?
music cds have had copy protection for 18 years. i'm not sure if they bother to add it still because i dont buy cds
I've been collecting music CDs since 1992 and ripping them in PCs since the late 90s, and I've never had a CD with copy protection. I've
always been able to rip CDs easily.
I do remember hearing Sony releasing some music CDs with some kind of
copy protection and there being a lot of controversy about it around
2006 or so because (from what I heard) Sony was putting rootkits on
their music CDs that ended up crippling some Windows computers. I
never had that happen to me though (I don't think I've bought a Sony
music CD), but other than that, generally music CDs have not had copy protection that I know of. Copy protection would have to be part of
the standard, and players would have to support the encryption in order
to play it. Since that was not part of the original audio CD spec,
copy protection in audio CDs has never been common, to my knowlege.
I'm pretty sure iTunes can rip CDs too. And there are others.
Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jun 05 2018 19:54:36
music cds have had copy protection for 18 years. i'm not sure if they bother add it still because i dont buy cds
Sheesh... Remember when Sony put in a eoot kit on their CDs to prevent copying it?
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
instead i use a cheap walmart laptop and play my videos with vlc.
the girlfriend likes a few tv shows so she has slingtv on it.
We use a desktop (connected to the TV via HDMI) for playing media files, YouTube, etc.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
music cds have had copy protection for 18 years. i'm not sure if they bother to add it still because i dont buy cds
There were some attempts, but I'm not aware of any that stuck. The copy protection was either ineffective, interfered with legitimate playback, or used overly invasive methods (i.e. the infamous Sony "rootkit" incident).
Random thought: anyone remember MusicMatch?
Since music CDs don't use encryption, I suppose there's no legal problem with ripping your own CDs for your own personal use?
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
But for making it compatible with another playback device you own? Hmm, there's a lawyers picnic waiting to happen! :D
I've been collecting music CDs since 1992 and ripping them in PCs since the late 90s, and I've never had a CD with copy protection. I've always been able to rip CDs easily.
I do remember hearing Sony releasing some music CDs with some kind of copy protection and there being a lot of controversy about it around 2006 or so because (from what I heard) Sony was putting rootkits on their music CDs that ended up crippling some Windows computers. I never had that happen to me though (I don't think I've bought a Sony music CD), but other than that, generally music CDs have not had copy protection that I know of. Copy protection would have to be part of the standard, and players would have to support the encryption in order to play it. Since that was not part of the original audio CD spec, copy protection in audio CDs has never been common, to my knowlege.
software to rip a movie, technically I'd think it wasn't you who cracked the copy protection; it was someone else who did that..
Hmm, I very much doubt that argument would stand up in court. (IANAL, of course).
Random thought: anyone remember MusicMatch?
yeah i used musicmatch jukebox.
it was a good program for a while.
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
But for making it compatible with another playback device you own? Hmm, there's a lawyers picnic waiting to happen! :D
Well, I'm quoting American law. And presumably, I haven't researched copyri law in some time, so my info may be dated. But, yes, breaking any encryptio meant to apply copy protection for copyrighted material is illegal (in the U I believe, however, it falls under civil law. They would have to sue you, unless you upload it to a file sharing service or something contributing to sufficient damages. I remember the stories of 13 year olds being hit with outrageous fines due to record companies filing suits over file sharing mp3' That hasn't happened in awhile (to my knowledge), but music is so cheap anyw It's better just to buy or subscribe. Less risk of getting malware that way and it is the right thing to do. IMHO.
I'm wondering if it's legally okay to rip music CDs for your own
use, since CDs don't use encryption.
Again, depends on jurisdiction. I'm pretty confident that's legal here under the rules that allow media conversion. Of course, the unstated assumption is you own the CDs in question, copying someone else's CD is illegal.
I wish I still had that old VCR now because Sony had Manufacturers of newer VCR's have to include 'their' DCMR 'protection circuitry' in all later VCR's.
I learned about DCMR and what it does one day after I owned Two VCR's and had the A/V Output of one of them connected to the A/V Input of the second unit.
We had just bought a VCR Movie at the Department Store and put the Cassette in the "Number One VCR" and when we tried to play it the image was scrambled up and we thought to take it back to the Store and get another copy that worked.
Random thought: anyone remember MusicMatch?
Most of the Sony rootkits actually came from Sony movies. Back then, it was legal to backup ALL DVD's that you owned, regardless of encryption. Thus came a little startup called 3-2-1 studios that sold DVD backup software on the shelves. It was called DVD X-Copy (I think). You could buy it off the shelf at Best Buy, so yeah, it was legal. Everyone started acquiring the software to bootleg videos from the movie rental shops. DVD sales declined, and as a result, the movie companies cried foul and issued suits. That is what led up to the DCMA becoming law.
Under US law, even obtaning the software to break the encryption is illegal. I'm not certain where NightFox is from, however.
Again, depends on jurisdiction. I'm pretty confident that's legal
here under the rules that allow media conversion. Of course, the
unstated assumption is you own the CDs in question, copying someone
else's CD is illegal.
I completely agree with you; it's the same, "better safe than sorry", stance about paying $100's for a single licence that I can only use in one place. It is the same reason why I try to get into downloading Creative Commons content as well, but let's be honest: sometimes, commercial content is better.
That makes me wonder why it was only when DVDs were around that the DMCA came into law? People had been able to copy various forms of media long before DVDs came around. Did sales of music CDs, cassettes, etc. not suffer enough for them to enact anti-copying laws at the time?
Cassettes had copy protection, if you can call it that. They had a little notch that if it was missing, the tape recorder wouldn't dub it. People just put a piece of tape over the hole to get around it.
Depends where you are. In Australia, you are allowed to convert media formats for compatibility with your own playback devices, so if youIs that true even for encrypted discs? Normally, DVD and blu-ray discs have encryption to try to prevent people from ripping them.
It's not illegal to store a backup of the DVD. It's just illegal to circumvent DVD encryption to do so. Either way, they got you.
bombed. DVD X-Copy: Some degradation due to higher compression, but good enough.
It was the first feasible alternative to a store bought video.
Cassettes had copy protection, if you can call it that. They had a little notch that if it was missing, the tape recorder wouldn't dub it. People just put a piece of tape over the hole to get around it.
Here in The Netherlands we can and may too, we even pay extra taxes on empty media like DVDs, USB sticks, cassettes, etc.... because of this we are legally permitted to use copies for ourself. You may not lent them of sell them. SO sharing my Plex library with other than my household is illegal, witin it's not. We are allowed to download music and movies but not upload it.
I download 1-1.5 TB per month and I never got a letter of my ISP I broke the FUP. Also my friends never got this. I'm happy with this. Friends who leave in Belgium, our neighbor country have data limits per month!
stance about paying $100's for a single licence that I can only use in
one place. It is the same reason why I try to get into downloading
Creative Commons content as well, but let's be honest: sometimes,
commercial content is better.
This is true. The raw power of Excel, Photoshop, Premiere... The talent tends to follow the money.
... There is a chain of inexpensive movie rental kiosks in the US
called RedBox (you can rent a movie for $1.50 or $2.00 per night, depending whether it's DVD or blu-ray), and I've heard that if you keep the movie for days or something, then you basically have the option to purchase the disc. you do that, you'd end up owning a rental disc without any of the extras tha would be included if you were to purchase the movie in a retail store.
Man alive! RedBox... came in handy when didn't have the Internet. $2/night wasn't a bed deal either. I've heard that you could buy the movie to keep, might as well if you just paid $30 after 15 days!
Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: Nightfox to Chai on Tue Jun 05 2018 16:19:42
Since music CDs don't use encryption, I suppose there's no legal problem with ripping your own CDs for your own personal use?
That's correct. As long as you don't distribute/upload the music file, ripping CD's is perfectly legal. At least, that is my understanding.
Re: Linux Laptop Ideas?
By: MRO to Jagossel on Wed Jun 06 2018 22:14:01
Random thought: anyone remember MusicMatch?
yeah i used musicmatch jukebox.
it was a good program for a while.
Thank you for reminding me what exactly it was! I remember it being slick-looking. I think I was using MusicMatch before WinAmp.
Libraries here would often have a selection of music CDs that you could borrow. That lends itself to people borrowing the CDs and copying them before returning them. And of course there are those who might copy/rip rented movies. And along those lines, I've found that rented DVDs and
thought anyone could go in and put malware into Linux. He trusted Windows more, because there's a smaller dedicated team of people who are paid to work on Windows. I am fairly sure there are people who review code going into Linux and wouldn't allow malware in, and if malware does happen to slip in, I'm sure it would be corrected very fast.
Most of the Sony rootkits actually came from Sony movies. Back then, it was legal to backup ALL DVD's that you owned, regardless of encryption. Thus came a little startup called 3-2-1 studios that sold DVD backup software on the shelves. It was called DVD X-Copy (I think). You could buy it off the shelf at Best Buy, so yeah, it was legal. Everyone started acquiring the software to bootleg videos from the movie rental shops. DVD sales declined, and as a result, the movie companies cried foul and issued suits. That is what led up to the DCMA becoming law.
You're thinking of the record-prection tab - nothing to do with copy protection.
as-is onto a double-sided DVD writeable disc. I don't know if DVD Shrink came out before or after DVD X-Copy though.
Cassettes had copy protection, if you can call it that. They had a
That's a fairly easy copy protection to get around. I always thought that more of a way to prevent accidentally recording over something, rather than to prevent illegal music copying. Someone might want to record audio of their own music they made, or some other personal recording and then remove the tab so it couldn't easily be recorded over. And of course, if you bought a cassette album, you wouldn't want to accidentally record over it.
Sometimes, "you get what you pay for" is true, but sometimes that doesn't really apply. One example is Linux - IMO Linux is a really good OS and there are many free Linux distros out there. And I am reminded of a job
Linux. He said he didn't trust Linux because since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and put malware into Linux. He trusted Windows more, because there's a smaller dedicated team of people who are paid to work on Windows. I am fairly sure there are people who review code going into Linux and wouldn't allow malware in, and if malware does happen to slip
Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well, I'm quoting American law. And presumably, I haven't researched copyright law in some time, so my info may be dated. But, yes,
breaking any encryption meant to apply copy protection for copyrighted material is illegal (in the US). I believe, however, it falls under
civil law. They would have to sue you, unless you upload it to a file sharing service or something contributing to sufficient damages. I remember the stories of 13 year olds being hit with outrageous fines
due to record companies filing suits over file sharing mp3's. That
hasn't happened in awhile (to my knowledge), but music is so cheap
anyway. It's better just to buy or subscribe. Less risk of getting malware that way, and it is the right thing to do. IMHO.
I'm guessing you've heard that Microsoft acquired Github.
I was thinking I had a dubbing machine that wouldn't record from tapes that didn't have the tab. Perhaps I remember incorrectly. I don't recall back that far vividly enough to say for sure.
I'm using Ubuntu budgie as I write this message. I'm somewhat new to Linux. I like it, so far. It allows me to do all of my web surfing on my $200 laptop without any lag. If I boot Windows, the machine slows to a crawl.
thought anyone could go in and put malware into Linux. He trusted
Windows more, because there's a smaller dedicated team of people who
are paid to work on Windows. I am fairly sure there are people who
review code going into Linux and wouldn't allow malware in, and if
malware does happen to slip in, I'm sure it would be corrected very
fast.
you mean like heartbleed and other stuff that sat around for years?
That's a fairly easy copy protection to get around. I always thought
that more of a way to prevent accidentally recording over something,
rather than to prevent illegal music copying. Someone might want to
record audio of their own music they made, or some other personal
recording and then remove the tab so it couldn't easily be recorded
over. And of course, if you bought a cassette album, you wouldn't
want to accidentally record over it.
Someone is telling me that it had nothing to do with copy protection. They may be right. I was extremely young when I had cassettes, so my memory may be a little off. I was thinking that I had a dub machine that wouldn't copy unless you taped the hole, but he may be right in that its sole purpose was to prevent accidental record overs.
I'm using Ubuntu budgie as I write this message. I'm somewhat new to Linux. I like it, so far. It allows me to do all of my web surfing on my $200 laptop without any lag. If I boot Windows, the machine slows to a crawl. So, I am finding Linux to be an efficient OS. It seems to have a lot of bugs, though. That will be less of an issue once I'm proficient
thought anyone could go in and put malware into Linux. He trusted
Windows more, because there's a smaller dedicated team of people who
are paid to work on Windows. I am fairly sure there are people who
review code going into Linux and wouldn't allow malware in, and if
malware does happen to slip in, I'm sure it would be corrected very
fast.
you mean like heartbleed and other stuff that sat around for years?
We have discussed this before.. But I still suspect that was a bug and doubt anyone intentionally put that in. Sometimes bugs can linger for years before they are discovered.
Slysoft ANY DVD and DVDcopy 2 were way better than 321 studios and DVD X-copy. AnyDVD romoves incryption and then DVDcopy2 would make a backup in like 5 minutes.
I use ANYDVD and Hanbrake to make my DVD's into MP4 and MKV about 5 to 10 minutes using my i5 quad core.
Yes, the music industry eventually got it - provide the right product that people want in a convenient way, at a good price and with no encumbrances, and guess what! people will generally pay for it! iTunes has certainly made buying music simple and affordable.
The movie industry haven't quite got it yet, they're still using some outdated models but they will, eventually.
I'm curious on what that will mean between Visual Studio Team Services and GitHub, other than having the ability to do builds and tests automatically.
$200 laptop without any lag. If I boot Windows, the machine slows to a crawl.
Yeah, I have an IBM Thinkpad T42 with 2 GB of RAM that sort of runs Windows XP, but it runs Lubuntu (a version of Ubuntu with lightweight apps) perfectly. Those laptops are $30 or so on eBay now.
What kind of bugs? Linux has been around for a long time (so it's fairly mature), and usually I think the distro makers do a pretty good job of
Bug #1: Chrome for Ubuntu has stuttering issues on Twitch for about the first 60 seconds of a stream change, but YouTube runs fine, which has me baffled. Firefox does not stutter near as much, but it does do it occasionally. I have the save version number of Chrome installed on the same machine under Windows, and it does not stutter at all. Older versions of Ubuntu did not stutter either. It's only been happening since my upgrade to version 18LTS. My ping tests all look normal, so I don't suspect WiFi issues.
Bug #2: CUPS auto discovery keeps reinstalling printer drivers every time I boot the machine. Additionally, I get error messages asking me to submit the info to Ubuntu, so there is some type of failure. I got around this by setting CUPS discovery off, and forcing manual installation of printer drivers.
Bug #3: Sometimes it has issues with me switching audio devices, such as when I plug in a USB gaming headset. The issue only exists on my laptop, as my Linux desktop handles the same headset just fine.
Bug #4: The budgie dock auto-hide only works 70% of the time. Sometimes it fails to go away.
Bug #5: Linux doesn't handle multiple WiFi adapters on the same machine very well.
And we certainly got a good bargain. I remember buying CD's in the 80's. I either had to buy the entire album at about $11, or if I was lucky, there would be a single on the shelf for about $4. I typically only wanted 1-2 songs from the entire album, so it ended up being expensive. Now, I just buy the songs I like for all of my devices, and avoid the songs I do not like.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
You can buy used CDs for fairly cheap these days. I suppose it's
because CDs aren't in as much demand as they used to be. For most CD albums I want to buy, I usually see a lot of good deals on used ones on Amazon, even in very good condition.
Nope, those holes did not prevent you from copying the tape, only from re-recording onto that tape. To copy the tape, you would be playing that ta and recording onto a different tape, and there was nothing to prevent the machine from recording onto the other tape (unless that other tape had those tabs missing).
Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And we certainly got a good bargain. I remember buying CD's in the
80's. I either had to buy the entire album at about $11, or if I was lucky, there would be a single on the shelf for about $4. I typically only wanted 1-2 songs from the entire album, so it ended up being expensive. Now, I just buy the songs I like for all of my devices, and avoid the songs I do not like.
The movie industry haven't quite got it yet, they're still using some outdated models but they will, eventually.
Sometimes change is slow. We tend to hold on to what we know, even
when there's a better way.
Bug #1: Chrome for Ubuntu has stuttering issues on Twitch for about the first 60 seconds of a stream change, but YouTube runs fine, which has me
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
You can buy used CDs for fairly cheap these days. I suppose it's
because CDs aren't in as much demand as they used to be. For most CD albums I want to buy, I usually see a lot of good deals on used ones on Amazon, even in very good condition.
Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
The only time I use CDs is in my car, because I have to.
The only time I use CDs is in my car, because I have to.
I do not like fumbling with the disks, as they scratch easily.
I'd like to have Amazon Echo technology in my car.
Being able to pull up any song via voice command while driving would be a huge plus. Having access to my music streaming service in the car would also be nice.
I can do this with my phone, but it is a pain to mess with.
Yep, I used to have a couple of those two cassette decks. Put one tape in the left side and copy it to the one on the right. One button copy and I think one of mine did it in double time. Those were the good days!
Yeah, I had one of those dual-cassette decks that could copy tapes quickly. One thing about cassettes also was that some cassette decks played at a slightly different speed than others (although they're supposed to all play the same speed). One time I recorded one of my old cassette tapes onto my P and made MP3s of the music, but there were some issues with the recording, s couple years ago I bought a USB cassette player and re-recorded the cassette with that. I noticed that the USB cassette player I had bought played very slightly slower than the older cassette deck I had used before. Since the U cassette player was new, I had a feeling the older cassette deck I had used probably played cassettes slightly too fast. With the older cassette deck, songs were maybe a second or 2 longer and the audio was very slightly pitche up a little higher.I never thought about that with the speed of the player. It would make sense that those little motors were probably never calibrated and different makes moved at different speeds. Of course none of us would have noticed unless we heard it played on another unit. They were probably all close enough in specs to make us think we were hearing the music right.
Nightfox
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
As for ebook DRM, I do remove DRM for archival purposes using Calibre - the Calibre repository has 2 purposes - backup, as well as format conversion for device compatibility. The "active" copies on devices
are the original DRM'd ones.
Dumas Walker wrote to CHAI <=-
Ubuntu, IIRC, takes stuff from stable but also testing and (maybe) unstable, which means it has more recent versions of some things (vs.
the parent, debian), but it also means that stuff does not always have
all of the bugs worked out.
I have found bugs in debian stuff, too, but it is less often and I have used it much, much longer than both of the ubuntu attempts combined.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
I've gotten spoiled. My car has Pandora, Slacker Radio and iHeartRadio
built in, and I have most of my music ripped to a 64GB USB stick that
it
plays. Voice command for playing and custom playlists. Bluetooth streaming
from my phone. And this is on a Toyota, nothing fancy.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
I don't like fumbling with them either, but I still like to buy music
on CD because it provides a lossless copy of the music. Usually I buy music on CD and then rip it to FLAC (lossless) for a backup and also
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
I remember several years back when the RIAA wanted to make it difficult
to sell CDs, and actively blocked record stores from selling used CDs.
There's a right of ownership issue; trying to somehow explain that when you bought a physical CD you bought a right-to-use license with second sale limitations didn't fly.
I can definitely tell the difference between CD quality and MP3. I had one of the sony mini discs, back when that was a thing. It was nice, because the protected case kept the media from scratching. However, to get the smaller disc size, they used ATRAC compression. It still sounded decent, but I always seemed to be able to tell a difference when comparing it to a CD.
It would be nice if I could convert my paperbacks to the Kindle. With movies, I can obtain a digital license via Vudu by running their
software with the disc inserted. You cannot really do that with books
for obvious reasons. My bookshelf is overstocked with thick books that I'd prefer to carry around on an ereader.
Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It would be nice if I could convert my paperbacks to the Kindle. With
movies, I can obtain a digital license via Vudu by running their
software with the disc inserted. You cannot really do that with books
for obvious reasons. My bookshelf is overstocked with thick books that I'd prefer to carry around on an ereader.
Operations wrote to Nightfox <=-
I never thought about that with the speed of the player. It would make sense that those little motors were probably never calibrated and different makes moved at different speeds. Of course none of us would have noticed unless we heard it played on another unit. They were probably all close enough in specs to make us think we were hearing the music right.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
I think you have better hearing than I do, or perhaps better audio equipment. I've always had a hard time telling the difference between uncompressed (CD) quality and even a 128kbit MP3. Perhaps I could if I
was listening closely with good headphones or good audio equipment. A while ago, I re-compressed all my MP3s from my CDs to variable-bitrate MP3s, which I've heard are supposed to provide better overall audio quality while possibly saving some storage space. So perhaps it's
harder to tell the difference with those. I used to often hear 128kbit
as the standard where most people can't tell a difference, but these
days I often hear of people compressing to 320kbit MP3. The drive
space savings is less substantial, of course.. When I first discovered MP3s in the late 90s, I was amazed to see that typical MP3s (at the
time) were about 1/10th the size of the .wav file ripped from the CD.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
If you have a scanner, you should be able to scan your books and save
them in PDF format (or similar format) for viewing on mobile devices.
It might be time-consuming, but perhaps worth it if you think you'll
read them on your e-reader. But it may be difficult to ensure the book
is flat enough on the scanner so it doesn't cut off any of the text..
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Re: Re: Media
By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Jun 11 2018 04:53 pm
I can definitely tell the difference between CD quality and MP3. I had one of the sony mini discs, back when that was a thing. It was nice, because
I think you have better hearing than I do, or perhaps better audio equipment. I've always had a hard time telling the difference between uncompressed (CD) quality and even a 128kbit MP3. Perhaps I could if I
can't tell a difference, but these
days I often hear of people compressing to 320kbit MP3. The drive
space savings is less substantial, of course.. When I first discovered
MP3s in the late 90s, I was amazed to see that typical MP3s (at the
time) were about 1/10th the size of the .wav file ripped from the CD.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
If you have a scanner, you should be able to scan your books and save
them in PDF format (or similar format) for viewing on mobile devices.
It might be time-consuming, but perhaps worth it if you think you'll
read them on your e-reader. But it may be difficult to ensure the book
is flat enough on the scanner so it doesn't cut off any of the text..
On 06-11-18 21:43, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
When CD's first came out, they said the quality would exceed vinyl, yet people these days say the audio quality of vinyl is better. I imagine there are many perspectives out there on this issue.
Well, first of all, I haven't purchased an MP3 since the Spotify era.
can't tell a difference, but these
days I often hear of people compressing to 320kbit MP3. The drive
space savings is less substantial, of course.. When I first
discovered
What do they run? About 10MB a song? That's still not bad given
todays storage capabilities.
When CD's first came out, they said the quality would exceed vinyl, yet people these days say the audio quality of vinyl is better. I imagine there are many perspectives out there on this issue.
I seem to particularly sensitive to the imperfections of vinyl. Sure, good vinyl on a good turntable sounds reasonably good, but CDs on a good player always sound "cleaner".
On 06-11-18 21:43, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
When CD's first came out, they said the quality would exceed vinyl, yet people these days say the audio quality of vinyl is better. I imagine there are many perspectives out there on this issue.
I seem to particularly sensitive to the imperfections of vinyl. Sure, good vinyl on a good turntable sounds reasonably good, but CDs on a good player always sound "cleaner".
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
On 06-11-18 21:43, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
When CD's first came out, they said the quality would exceed vinyl, yet people these days say the audio quality of vinyl is better. I imagine there are many perspectives out there on this issue.
I seem to particularly sensitive to the imperfections of vinyl. Sure, good vinyl on a good turntable sounds reasonably good, but CDs on a
good player always sound "cleaner".
I agree. Vinyl does seem to have a nice warm sound to it, but CDs are more crisp. I don't think I've ever heard vinyl on a nice sound system, however. And, as you say, the imperfections are a thing.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
When CD's first came out, they said the quality would exceed vinyl, yet people these days say the audio quality of vinyl is better. I imagine there are many perspectives out there on this issue.
Yeah, there are a lot of perspectives on that.. Theoretically I think
CD quality should be able to provide better quality - The Nyquist
theorem says thta if the sampling rate is at least double the highest frequency of the audio, it should be able to faithfully reproduce the original audio. I think part of the debate is whether the standard CD sampling rate of 44.1khz is enough. I also like that CDs don't have
the hiss & pops & crackles of vinyl and they don't physically wear out when you play them.
On 06-12-18 09:28, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think that's true.
A while ago I came across a company that makes a laser turntable to
play vinyl records:
http://www.elpj.com
I'm curious how a brand-new unworn record would sound when played with
a laser (which doesn't physically contact the record).
On 06-12-18 17:30, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I agree. Vinyl does seem to have a nice warm sound to it, but CDs are more crisp. I don't think I've ever heard vinyl on a nice sound
system, however. And, as you say, the imperfections are a thing.
On 06-12-18 09:25, Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Yeah, there are a lot of perspectives on that.. Theoretically I think
CD quality should be able to provide better quality - The Nyquist
theorem says thta if the sampling rate is at least double the highest frequency of the audio, it should be able to faithfully reproduce the original audio. I think part of the debate is whether the standard CD sampling rate of 44.1khz is enough. I also like that CDs don't have
the hiss & pops & crackles of vinyl and they don't physically wear out when you play them.
Re: Re: Media
By: Chai to Vk3jed on Tue Jun 12 2018 05:30 pm
I agree. Vinyl does seem to have a nice warm sound to it, but CDs are more crisp. I don't think I've ever heard vinyl on a nice sound system, however. And, as you say, the imperfections are a thing.
If you record a vinyl record on your PC and burn the audio to a CD, I wonder if it would or could sound the same. Or these days, you could just play the audio file on a device of your choosing.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
If you record a vinyl record on your PC and burn the audio to a CD, I wonder if it would or could sound the same. Or these days, you could
just play the audio file on a device of your choosing.
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
On 06-12-18 17:30, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The problem I have with the "warm" sound is it's "warm and fuzzy". I prefer a "cleaner" sound. And the best way to get a warm, clean sound
is to go to a live classical performance - now THAT can't be beaten by
any recording technology. :)
I guess it's technically illegal to use BitTorrent to download music & movies then, since you will also be uploading it to other users?
I'm not a fan of monthly data limits. I don't really see the point in them limiting how much data you can use. The only reason I can think of is so that they can artificailly charge you more money for a higher data limit.
I think Linux's track record on being MalWare free has been pretty good, actually. That's amazing considering how many lines of code exist in an
I think people are nostalgic for OLDER vinyl records. The main reason is likely the old mastering techniques. In the 80's and 90's, there was a huge drive for amplifying the waveforms past the point of clipping (see the "loudness wars", I think). It's always been a thing, but it got ridiculous once CD came out.
There is a school of thought that humans are subconsciously sensitive to sound above 20 kHz, and I recall one make of CD player that let aliasing artifacts "leak" through, and that make it should "smoother". And some people (I was one of them, probably still on the borderline) are capable of _directly_ hearing frequencies higher than 20 kHz. Yes, I think the sample rate was set too low, though it was probably a good compromise for 1980s technology. It's a pity the spec didn't allow for multiple sample rates. 96 kHz sampled CDs might sound awesome all round.
Hawkeye wrote to Chai <=-
Nice to hear but I'm not sure KLM is representing The Netherlands correctly ;) Next time you are there, let me know. We grab a beer :)
On 06-12-18 09:25, Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Yeah, there are a lot of perspectives on that.. Theoretically I think CD quality should be able to provide better quality - The Nyquist theorem says thta if the sampling rate is at least double the highest frequency of the audio, it should be able to faithfully reproduce the original audio. I think part of the debate is whether the standard CD sampling rate of 44.1khz is enough. I also like that CDs don't have the hiss & pops & crackles of vinyl and they don't physically wear out when you play them.
There is a school of thought that humans are subconsciously sensitive to sound above 20 kHz, and I recall one make of CD player that let aliasing artifacts "leak" through, and that make it should "smoother". And some people (I was one of them, probably still on the borderline) are capable of _directly_ hearing frequencies higher than 20 kHz. Yes, I think the sample rate was set too low, though it was probably a good compromise for 1980s technology. It's a pity the spec didn't allow for multiple sample rates.
96 kHz sampled CDs might sound awesome all round.
Neil Young pushed HDCD for a time and a lot of bands now release their music in high-rez (e.g. 24/96) digital download formats, but so much more could be done:
- more audio channels (e.g. for surround sound or re-mixing/karaoke/ play-along)
- commentary tracks (like director's/actor's commentary on movies) - synced lyrics
- synced images (album art or whatever)
Bands and record companies have toyed with some of these things, but they should (in my view) become the "norm", or I wished so. :-)
Re: Re: Media
By: Dreamer to Nightfox on Tue Jun 12 2018 11:49 pm
I think people are nostalgic for OLDER vinyl records. The main reason is likely the old mastering techniques. In the 80's and 90's, there was a huge drive for amplifying the waveforms past the point of clipping (see the "loudness wars", I think). It's always been a thing, but it got ridiculous once CD came out.
I've heard about that.. Would be interesting if they'd re-release some CD albums without doing that.
Bands and record companies have toyed with some of these things, but they should (in my view) become the "norm", or I wished so. :-)
It would be interesting if music included extras like that. But what specifically do you mean by synced images?
These days, formats such as MP3
and FLAC etc. include metadata that includes album artwork. Many music players will show the album artwork (if there is artwork) when playing a song.
Things like more audio channels and commentary tracks would be
interesting, though I'm not sure if they'd be widely used. I don't know of many people who have a surround sound system (though I suppose that since cars often have multiple speakers, they could be used as a surround sound system).
As far as commentary tracks, that might be something I'd listen to, but it seems most people usually don't make use of extras like that in movies, so I'm not sure how many would listen to a commentary track for music. I sometimes like to visit songfacts.com though, to see if there is any background information for various songs.
I've heard about that.. Would be interesting if they'd re-release
some CD albums without doing that.
Rush's "Vapor Trails" was re-mixed and re-mastered with much less dynamic compression (and a better mix) - sounds like a new album now!
Images that would change along with the music. Not video, but art-work. Rush released a 2112 DVD that had some animated story-line images sync'd with the songs and it was really cool (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5jwxrTqoEA). Imagine, at the minimum, your music player showing an image which correlates with the song being played (like the artwork you often see in CD lyric books) or even pertinent to the part of the song being played.
You don't know of many people who have surround system? Really? Every TV viewing room in my house has surround sound (5.1 is a minimum) and that's not uncommon among my family and friends. "Sound bars" are popular now too and they count as surround sound (though I don't personally use htem).
Yeah, I've known maybe one person/family who had a surround sound setup for their TV in their living room. We have a soundbar for one of our TVs, but it only has 2 speakers in it, so I wouldn't have thought it would be capable of surround sound.
Yeah, I've known maybe one person/family who had a surround sound setup for their TV in their living room. We have a soundbar for one of our TVs, but it only has 2 speakers in it, so I wouldn't have thought it would be capable of surround sound.
Re: Re: Media
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jun 13 2018 03:40 pm
Yeah, I've known maybe one person/family who had a surround sound setup for their TV in their living room. We have a soundbar for one of our TVs, but it only has 2 speakers in it, so I wouldn't have thought it would be capable of surround sound.
i'm not a fan of surround sound. it's too distracting.
we have had a 5.1 and now we just have a soundbar with two speakers.
On 06-13-18 02:16, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Especially in a music hall with world class acoustics. Our orchestra sells very reasonable tickets. I especially like it when they have a movie night where they play the background music score in real time
sync with the movie. I have no idea why that impresses me. A little Vivaldi is good for the soul, as well.
On 06-13-18 09:22, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've heard of newer standards such as Super Audio CD and Audio DVD,
which I believe offer higher sample rates (and surround sound), but I don't think those caught on. I haven't seen very many music discs in those formats.
On 06-13-18 12:21, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Right, and 44.1kHz was supposed to allow for accurate reproduction of
wave forms up to 22kHz (the .1 added to accommodate anti-aliasing
filters) - or 44.1 was chosen for compatibility with existing video equipment (depending on who you listen to).
Larger (e.g. 24-bit) samples would have helped too. 24-bit 48kHz
samples might (?) produce a more accurate analog waveform than 16-bit
at 96kHz.
DVD-Audio had promise, but it came about around the same time as
mass-MP3 popularity (and iPods, iTunes, etc.) and the advancements in quantity (and portability) that the compressed file format/delivery technology provided beat out the advancements in quality that DVD-Audio offered.
I've long stated that if the music industry would improve their product over the technology of the 60's, that would (have) helped combat
piracy. But as bandwidths and storage formats improved, the mainstream music storage/delivery format did not and it became easier to pirate. I think iTunes (and the like) made streaming and (legal) downloading ubiquitous, and the observable quality was at least "good enough" for
the masses, so there's been no widespread demand for improvement in the best available formats available. And now that 4K movies can be widely/easily pirated, that argument (improvement in quality of content for anti-piracy means) is over.
Neil Young pushed HDCD for a time and a lot of bands now release their music in high-rez (e.g. 24/96) digital download formats, but so much
more could be done: - more audio channels (e.g. for surround sound or re-mixing/karaoke/play-along) - commentary tracks (like
director's/actor's commentary on movies) - synced lyrics
- synced images (album art or whatever)
Bands and record companies have toyed with some of these things, but
they should (in my view) become the "norm", or I wished so. :-)
i'm not a fan of surround sound. it's too distracting.
we have had a 5.1 and now we just have a soundbar with two speakers.
Sound bars (no matter the number of speakers) usually provide some sort of "virtual" surround sound using DSPs that manipulate the audio to "fool" the human listener into hearing sounds from directions they're not physically coming from. https://www.howtogeek.com/336009/how-do-surround-sound-bars-work/
Like the article says, they're better than the speakers built-into TVs (usually), but not as good as a true surround sound (e.g. 5.1) system.
The kids and wife don't mind watching their shows or movies on tablets and phones, but I prefer to recline in front of a big screen and get the move-theater-level sound. So much better (for me).
On 06-13-18 09:22, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've heard of newer standards such as Super Audio CD and Audio DVD, which I believe offer higher sample rates (and surround sound), but I don't think those caught on. I haven't seen very many music discs in those formats.
Yeah, neither have I, but it's something you could introduce over time, because players have a limited life (since their lasers have a limited lifespan).
Re: Re: Media
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jun 13 2018 08:43 pm
The kids and wife don't mind watching their shows or movies on tablets and phones, but I prefer to recline in front of a big screen and get the move-theater-level sound. So much better (for me).
Years ago I bought a 4.1 speaker system for my computer, but I found that the 2 rear speakers often would be in the way as I was getting into/out of my computer chair, and when walking by, and the speakers could be easily knocked over. Perhaps it was due to the limited space where I had them set up.. Since then I've always been concerned about having extra cables/wires on the floor that could be tripped over and finding space for extra speakers. It almost seems like more hassle than it's worth, whether it be a computer sound system or a TV sound system.
I think most people use solid-state players these days. When I ask my parents where their CD or DVD player is, their response: "People still use those?" :-)
coming from. https://www.howtogeek.com/336009/how-do-surround-sound-bars-work/
Like the article says, they're better than the speakers built-into TVs (usually), but not as good as a true surround sound (e.g. 5.1) system.
i'm not a fan of surround sound. it's too distracting.
What about when you're in a theater? Do you find it distracting then? It might just be that you had your signal levels imblanaced (e.g. too loud in the rear channels).
Re: Re: Media
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jun 13 2018 07:05 pm
i'm not a fan of surround sound. it's too distracting.
we have had a 5.1 and now we just have a soundbar with two speakers.
I'm surprised when I hear of things that make movies more realistic/life-like being "too distracting". I've heard the same argument for 3D movies as well.. We see in 3D, and we can percieve sound from all directions. It's just part of how we perceive things. I'm not sure how it could be too distracting..
Re: Re: Media
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jun 13 2018 08:43 pm
The kids and wife don't mind watching their shows or movies on tablets and phones, but I prefer to recline in front of a big screen and get the move-theater-level sound. So much better (for me).
Years ago I bought a 4.1 speaker system for my computer, but I found that the 2 rear speakers often would be in the way as I was getting into/out of my computer chair, and when walking by, and the speakers could be easily knocked over. Perhaps it was due to the limited space where I had them set up.. Since then I've always been concerned about having extra cables/wires on the floor that could be tripped over and finding space for extra speakers. It almost seems like more hassle than it's worth, whether it be a computer sound system or a TV sound system.
On 06-14-18 09:39, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I'm surprised when I hear of things that make movies more realistic/life-like being "too distracting". I've heard the same
argument for 3D movies as well.. We see in 3D, and we can percieve
sound from all directions. It's just part of how we perceive things.
I'm not sure how it could be too distracting..
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
it probably pertains to how i focus in on sound and visual stimulation.
but i'm not a fan of 3d. just seems like a fad and it's not close to
the real world.
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Re: Re: Media
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jun 13 2018 07:05 pm
i'm not a fan of surround sound. it's too distracting.
we have had a 5.1 and now we just have a soundbar with two speakers.
I'm surprised when I hear of things that make movies more realistic/life-like being "too distracting". I've heard the same
argument for 3D movies as well.. We see in 3D, and we can percieve
sound from all directions. It's just part of how we perceive things.
I'm not sure how it could be too distracting..
As for ebook DRM, I do remove DRM for archival purposes using Calibre - the Calibre repository has 2 purposes - backup, as well as format conversion for device compatibility. The "active" copies on devices are the original DRM'd ones.
I don't like fumbling with them either, but I still like to buy music on CD because it provides a lossless copy of the music. Usually I buy music on CD and then rip it to FLAC (lossless) for a backup and also convert it to MP3 for use in my car, cell phone, music server, etc. The CD also provides a sort of backup so that if I lose my music files, I could re-rip them again.
having extra cables/wires on the floor that could be tripped over and
finding space for extra speakers. It almost seems like more hassle
than it's worth, whether it be a computer sound system or a TV sound
system.
if you live in a house you can string the wires up from the basement. that's what we did
become easier to follow, sound wise. Not sure how 3D in home movies is going to go. I've tried it at the cinema and like it, but the home environment is quite different, with more distractions, etc.
I don't like fumbling with them either, but I still like to buy
music on CD because it provides a lossless copy of the music.
Usually I buy music on CD and then rip it to FLAC (lossless) for a
backup and also convert it to MP3 for use in my car, cell phone,
music server, etc. The CD also provides a sort of backup so that if
I lose my music files, I could re-rip them again.
Agreed. having a lossless backup in the cloud is a nice option, too. I worry about losing everything to a hardware failure, fire, or whoknowswhat.
i only go to the theater a few times a year because i always end up setting next to someone coughing all the time or playing on their phone the entire time. the sound seems okay to me in theaters.
I think VR has more potential than 3D, and even that has its limitations due to cost.
Re: Re: Media
By: Digital Man to Vk3jed on Thu Jun 14 2018 01:46 pm
I think most people use solid-state players these days. When I ask my parents where their CD or DVD player is, their response: "People still use those?" :-)
I think one of the issues with solid-state players is that it can be more of a hassle to get media on them.
With all the streaming media services available, many consumers (e.g. my parents, kids) don't use stored media any more. And for the stuff they can't stream using mainstream services, I provide to them using Plex.
I think the only players they store media on is their iPhones/iPads, and they barely do that.
With all the streaming media services available, many consumers (e.g. my parents, kids) don't use stored media any more. And for the stuff they
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Re: Re: Media
By: Chai to MRO on Thu Jun 14 2018 11:48 pm
VR and 3D seem very similar to me. I'm not quite sure why things like
3D home movies would be a flop (in the US) when VR might succeed.
it didn't take off at the time. So it seems interesting to me that they're making VR/3D for games again these days. I'm not sure if 3D gaming is taking off these days though, as I haven't been following the news in that area.
On 06-14-18 13:46, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think most people use solid-state players these days. When I ask my parents where their CD or DVD player is, their response: "People still
use those?" :-)
On 06-15-18 07:16, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There's an interesting model - the "People are good" model. Cory
Doctorow has all of this works available for download at craphound.com, and has allowed people to make their own translations and e-book format conversions available.
Download them, and if you like them, buy the book. I've done so several times.
On 06-15-18 09:57, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In the US, it seems 3D in home movies already came and went. 3D TVs
On 06-14-18 23:48, Chai wrote to MRO <=-
I think VR has more potential than 3D, and even that has its
limitations due to cost.
On 06-15-18 09:54, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Many houses in my area don't have basements, though I believe they at least have a crawlspace (which may or may not be easy to walk around
in).
On 06-15-18 14:24, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
That's interesting to hear. I have a lot of music on CDs that I have purchased, and I have converted it all to MP3 to store on my devices so
I can listen to it at any time. I also have a USB flash drive for my
car that I've stored my music on so I can listen to it in my car
easily. I still think stored media is the most reliable way to listen
to music (and movies too). Especially in something like a car, where ceullar reception can be spotty as you drive, I think music kept on a media storage device is good to have. I also just like to be able to quickly play anything from my music library on my smartphone (or other device) without having to rely on a streaming service. Sometimes my internet service might go down or my router at home might drop wifi or something while I'm trying to stream.
I do have my music library on my Plex server though, so I could stream
it at home from there. One annoying thing, though, is that different devices don't all support Plex. At home I have a Logitech Squeezebox, which is a stand-alone internet radio streamer, which also supports streaming music from a server that you can set up on your network. But Logitech's media server is its own thing, so I have to run that
alongside Plex (though the good thing is that I can point it to the
same set of MP3s I use for Plex, so I don't have to waste drive space).
I also have an Amazon Echo at home, but it looks like there isn't a
Plex "skill" for the Echo that can connect to my Plex library. There is
a Plex skill for the Echo, but last time I checked, all that does is
allow you to control Plex on your TV from your Amazon Echo.
On 06-15-18 14:25, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
Also - When I was a kid, one of my favorite things I got for Christmas
one year was a Walkman that could play cassette tapes. I was excited
to be able to listen to my favorite music with headphones and not
bother people, and to be able to do that while on road trips with the family. It's interesting to think that stored media isn't as important
to many people as it used to be.
to cost.
I would, however, like to watch a full length horror film in VR, where you have a choice about what to look at in your virtual surroundings. It makes you feel like you're really there.
Re: Re: Media
By: Vk3jed to Chai on Sun Jun 10 2018 08:22 am
As for ebook DRM, I do remove DRM for archival purposes using Calibre - the Calibre repository has 2 purposes - backup, as well as format conversion for device compatibility. The "active" copies on devices are the original DRM'd ones.
Re: Re: Media
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Jun 15 2018 12:17 pm
With all the streaming media services available, many consumers (e.g. my parents, kids) don't use stored media any more. And for the stuff they
Also - When I was a kid, one of my favorite things I got for Christmas one year was a Walkman that could play cassette tapes. I was excited to be able to listen to my favorite music with headphones and not bother people, and to be able to do that while on road trips with the family. It's interesting to think that stored media isn't as important to many people as it used to be.
Nightfox
I'm surprised when I hear of things that make movies more realistic/life-like being "too distracting". I've heard the same argument for 3D movies as well.. We see in 3D, and we can percieve sound from all directions. It's just part of how we perceive things. I'm not sure how it could be too distracting..
I think mostly because of what they plan on doing with VR. 3D is nice, but it isn't interactive. In short, you can get bored with it easily.
I think the technology we have now will allow us to do cooler things with it, compared to what we could do in the 90's. I thought the same thing as you initially, but I'm starting to see a future in the technology. I've been wrong many times before, though. Time will tell.
In the US, it seems 3D in home movies already came and went. 3D TVs
I think the same happened here. Don't hear anything about 3D these days. Out TV is 3D, but we've never had a 3D Blu-ray player, so 3D mode has never been used.
I've thought about using Plex, but the overheads to convert, copy and store our media lbrary are quite prohibitive - I dunno how many TB we'd require! Certainly in multiple drive territory.
Re: Re: Media
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jun 16 2018 10:43 am
I've thought about using Plex, but the overheads to convert, copy and store our media lbrary are quite prohibitive - I dunno how many TB we'd require! Certainly in multiple drive territory.
If you compress the movies, it shouldn't be too terribly bad. A blu-ray movie compressed (as a .mp4 or .mkv etc.) could take up between 1GB and 3GB, depending on the quality settings you use. Most of my blu-ray movies I've ripped are between 1GB and 2GB.
On 06-16-18 20:13, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Do you mean 3D blu-ray players have never been available where you are,
or you just never bought one? If you're still interested in buying one
but can't find them at your local stores, you could probably buy one online. You may have to buy a region-free player if ones aren't
available in your area to ensure you can play discs you buy.
On 06-16-18 20:15, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Media
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Jun 16 2018 10:43 am
I've thought about using Plex, but the overheads to convert, copy and store our media lbrary are quite prohibitive - I dunno how many TB we'd require! Certainly in multiple drive territory.
If you compress the movies, it shouldn't be too terribly bad. A
blu-ray movie compressed (as a .mp4 or .mkv etc.) could take up between 1GB and 3GB, depending on the quality settings you use. Most of my blu-ray movies I've ripped are between 1GB and 2GB.
On 06-16-18 11:16, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
studies have shown that the people who 'steal' music the most are also
the ones that purchase it the most.
On 06-16-18 20:11, Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Yeah, but I suppose the same argument could be made for movies..
Movies aren't interactive, but people still enjoy watching them.
Chai wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My Toyota didn't come with any of that, but I've had it awhile. I
could always put in a new stereo, though. Maybe, during the Christmas season. It would be worth it for the voice command.
On 06-16-18 11:16, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
studies have shown that the people who 'steal' music the most are also the ones that purchase it the most.
I'm not surprised, they're music lovers and will get it however they can.
There was a period where the shops would quietly give you the region free cracks for the players they sold on a piece of paper. :)
On 06-17-18 15:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
they are probably trying before they buy. and they keep the cds and
dvds in the cases. they did this study in canada years ago
On 06-17-18 15:32, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've read that for my blu-ray player, there is a region-free code for
it but that only works for DVDs, not blu-ray discs.
road trips with the family. It's interesting to think that stored
media isn't as important to many people as it used to be.
Still is to me, for mobile and portable use. It's too easy to drive into a 3G/4G black hole out here, and *BOOM*, there goes the streaming. :)
I'm surprised when I hear of things that make movies more
realistic/life-like being "too distracting". I've heard the same
argument for 3D movies as well.. We see in 3D, and we can percieve
sound from all directions. It's just part of how we perceive
things. I'm not sure how it could be too distracting..
New tech always bring in people who like it and dislike it, not always based on facts... color tv was weird, faxmachines also.. etc... why would I like to pause a video was something I heart in the 80s when my parents had a VCR.
There are some nice, cheap Android head units that fit into a double-DIN slot; I'm tempted to get one myself. The Prius electronics are dated at best, and use a DVD-based GPS system, which is a pain when roads change.
Yeah, done the same with movies before.
I've heard of Android Auto - Is that something different? Apple also has something called Apple CarPlay.
I've heard of Android Auto - Is that something different? Apple also
has something called Apple CarPlay.
I was referring to an Android tablet that fits into a double-DIN slot.
Well, when we first met, we had an estimated 4000 titles. Today, it's many times that. :) Of course, simply moving that amount of data, even though
Yeah, there are often comments like that when new things come out. When Apple's iPhone came out (it was the first smartphone on the market), I
Yeah, there are often comments like that when new things come out.
When Apple's iPhone came out (it was the first smartphone on the
market), I
Are you sure about that (iPhone being the "first smartphone")?
I had a blackberry before the iPhone came out and I'm pretty sure it was considered a "smartphone".
Yes, I wasn't sure if that's what Android Auto is or if Android Auto is something different.
On 06-18-18 09:28, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I agree. I think cellular connections would have to become a lot more reliable for me to want to use streaming in the car. There's also
satellite car radio (such as Sirius, and formerlly XM radio). I
On 06-18-18 13:46, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, done the same with movies before.
I even do it now. I'm a fan of Red Dwarf but it is not available on TV
in The Netherlands. I download all episodes but I buy now and then some merchandise so I still support the franchise.
On 06-18-18 13:00, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's definitely a lot of movies. I'm not sure if there are that many movies that I'd consider are worth watching. :) I've never been much
of a collector of things, though I do have a modest collection of
movies on blu-ray and DVD. I'd estimate I may have around 100 movies
tops. I used to have some more on DVD that I sold years ago. Usually I'll buy a movie or TV series if I like it a lot (and if I haven't seen it, if I'm pretty sure I'd like it). I don't often watch movies
multiple times, so if I buy a movie, it might just end up sitting on
the shelf in the case, making it basically a waste of money.
Even if I start watching one of my favorite movies again, sometimes
I'll feel like I want to go do something else because I've already seen the movie before.
On 06-18-18 09:33, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-
Yeah, there are often comments like that when new things come out.
When Apple's iPhone came out (it was the first smartphone on the
market), I thought it seemed overkill for a phone and I didn't know why I'd want one.. I wanted a cell phone mainly for a phone to be able to talk to people while I'm away from home. But after a while I saw the usefullness in those, and I've had a smartphone now since 2011.
All you have to do here is go north and turn off the highways and you're out of coverage. And from here that can happen within 10 minutes. Usually, there's a cell in every town, but I know one town you can't get reliable reception.
Even if I start watching one of my favorite movies again, sometimes
I'll feel like I want to go do something else because I've already
seen the movie before.
I find I pick up more in subsequent viewings. :)
I was the same like "Why would I spend $$$$$ on a .... phone!". But after I had seen other peoples' iPhones, I could see the benefits and bought one in 2009, then upgraded in 2011, but more recently, have switched to Android.
One wonders why the piracy here in Australia is so high. It's for this reason, there's a lot we either don't get, or get months or years later than the rest of the world. The networks are slowly waking up, and big
Wi-Fi callingis an option I'm looking into, don't know if it helps with inbound calling, too.
As much as I hate AT&T, I loved when work paid for a microcell; I had 5 bars in the house.
It frustrated me that Netflix was carrying the new Star Trek series (Discovery) in most of the world except the US.. In the US, we'd have to subscribe to CBS All Access (yet another streaming service) to watch it legally.
It frustrated me that Netflix was carrying the new Star Trek series
(Discovery) in most of the world except the US.. In the US, we'd
have to subscribe to CBS All Access (yet another streaming service)
to watch it legally.
Was? Curiously, Netflix usually blocks access from proxies. I'll need to try an overseas proxy and see what happens. :)
Was? Curiously, Netflix usually blocks access from proxies. I'll need to try an overseas proxy and see what happens. :)
On 06-19-18 08:24, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
At home, we've been getting spottier and spottier cell coverage. I
think AT&T is starting to sacrifice their traditional 4G bandwidth for VoLTE bandwidth. new AT&T customers with newer phones get the
bandwidth, older phones and MVNOs like Cricket Wireless get what's left over.
Wi-Fi callingis an option I'm looking into, don't know if it helps with inbound calling, too.
As much as I hate AT&T, I loved when work paid for a microcell; I had 5 bars in the house.
On 06-19-18 09:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I find I pick up more in subsequent viewings. :)
Yeah, some movies are like that.
On 06-19-18 09:48, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm surprised that it seems that smartphone prices have gone up over
the years. Usually, the prices for technology items goes down over
time. I think I spent around $200 on my first smartphone - I know it wasn't the most high-end phone, but it didn't seem too bad. I later
upgraded to a Samsung Galaxy phone and have bought a couple newer
models of the Galaxy since then. But lately, as I've been looking at
the prices for the latest Samsung Galaxy and iPhone models, it seems
they keep getting more and more expensive. These days, you could pay around $800 to $1000 (US) for a new model of one of those phones..
Seems a bit steep. There are cellular plans that let you spread out
that cost so that instead of paying for that up-front, you can pay
maybe $20-$30 per month for the phone (on top of your phone bill), and they also let you upgrade every 2 years or so if you want. But that
also means a fairly high cell phone bill (at least, higher than what
I'm used to paying). There's one cell provider I was considering switching to, but I realized that in addition to the base bill cost,
they also add some kind of phone "access fee", which is in addition to
and separate from the cost of the phone.. For instance, if you don't
buy the phone up front, you might pay around $20 per month for the
price of the phone, plus an extra $20 or so for the phone "access fee"
on top of the cell phone bill. Seemed pretty ridiculous.. Even if I bought the phone up front, I'd still probably be paying more per month with them than I'm paying now with my current provider.
On 06-19-18 09:52, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It frustrated me that Netflix was carrying the new Star Trek series (Discovery) in most of the world except the US.. In the US, we'd have
to subscribe to CBS All Access (yet another streaming service) to watch
it legally.
On 06-19-18 15:23, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I guess "is" would be better, as I assume they're still carrying it. Season 1 has already ended, which is why I was thinking "was".
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
Re: VR
By: Chai to Nightfox on Fri Jun 15 2018 07:04 pm
Yeah, but I suppose the same argument could be made for movies..
Movies aren't interactive, but people still enjoy watching them.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
On 06-18-18 09:33, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-
I was the same like "Why would I spend $$$$$ on a .... phone!". But
after I had seen other peoples' iPhones, I could see the benefits and bought one in 2009, then upgraded in 2011, but more recently, have switched to Android.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It frustrated me that Netflix was carrying the new Star Trek series (Discovery) in most of the world except the US.. In the US, we'd have
to subscribe to CBS All Access (yet another streaming service) to watch
it legally.
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
Re: Re: Media
By: Chai to MRO on Thu Jun 14 2018 11:48 pm
I would, however, like to watch a full length horror film in VR, where you have a choice about what to look at in your virtual surroundings. It makes you feel like you're really there.
now that sounds interesting. better than going around and picking up balls ---
I'm surprised when I hear of things that make movies more realistic/life-lik being "too distracting". I've heard the same argument for 3D movies as well We see in 3D, and we can percieve sound from all directions. It's just part how we perceive things. I'm not sure how it could be too distracting..I'm a little late to the conversation, but I love my 3D movies. If I have a choice, I will always pay the extra. I have a 3D tv, that I've enjoyed so much and was very upset to hear that it just never got picked up. Now it's getting harder to find the movies (even though I see them in 3D in theaters) on 3D DVD's. At least there are some sites online that seem to be able to get them, but they sure are costing a more.
Nightfox
On 06-19-18 18:55, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I wasn't an early adopter of smartphones either, but I admit, I'd have
a hard time living without 2FA apps and online banking.
Being able to send money to people with my phone is also a nice perk. Everything else, I could do without, if I had to.
On 06-19-18 19:16, Chai wrote to Nightfox <=-
The stream wars are just stupid. I get irritated at content providers,
Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Media
By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jun 13 2018 08:43 pm
Years ago I bought a 4.1 speaker system for my computer, but I found
where I had them set up.. Since then I've always been concerned about
having extra cables/wires on the floor that could be tripped over and finding space for extra speakers. It almost seems like more hassle
than it's worth, whether it be a computer sound system or a TV sound system.
Yes, good point, most tech does go down dramatically over the year - look at computers. Someone's gouging prices of smartphones. At least with Android, there some quite reasonably priced midrange phones on the market from the better Chinese manufacturers.
it later this year. I also need a phone with a magnetometer (still has to be Android), to interface an app with the new magnetic "gates" build into the resurfaced track in town (only one outside Europe, from what I can tell!), for a performance monitoring app.
don't buy the phone up front, you might pay around $20 per month for
the price of the phone, plus an extra $20 or so for the phone
"access fee" on top of the cell phone bill. Seemed pretty
This "access fee" sounds dodgy. Here, some telcos have a plan they'll put you on, but if you opt for a more expensive handset than the plan caters for, they'll add a "handset fee", which is an additional monthly charge for the more expensive phone. At least that looks more transparent and makes sense. :)
I guess "is" would be better, as I assume they're still carrying it.
Season 1 has already ended, which is why I was thinking "was".
And season 2 hasn't started yet. Looking forward to it.
For me, it's a money issue. After watching a few 3D movies, it doesn't wow me that much to want to pay extra money to see it in 3D. 2D is good enough. The same could also be said for VR, though. After everyone has seen it, they may flock back to the cheaper 2D movies. That alone may be reason enough for cinemas not to invest in it.
The stream wars are just stupid. I get irritated at content providers, sometimes. There was a startup out of NY that was going to place little antennas in elevated buildings and such. They were going to stream out the signal to people for like $7 a month via the Internet. They were basically just renting antennas and infastructure, as you can't pick up all of the local stations in most houses in low lying areas. It was all over-the-air content that is currently being broadcast for free anyway. The TV stations cried foul, which tells me they don't want you to be able to pick up their OTA signals in the first place. They want you to subscribe to cable, so
As for Discovery, I watched the first season. It was decent, but I couldn't make myself continue the subscription just so I could watch one show. Discovery was the only reason I had for subscribing to CBS All Access in the first place.
I'm a little late to the conversation, but I love my 3D movies. If I have a choice, I will always pay the extra. I have a 3D tv, that I've enjoyed so much and was very upset to hear that it just never got picked up. Now it's getting harder to find the movies (even though I see them in 3D in theaters) on 3D DVD's. At least there are some sites online that seem to be able to get them, but they sure are costing a more.
Especially on a computer. If I want surround sound on my PC for gaming, I just use a surround sound headset. Some of them [headsets] are virtual surround, but it seems like there are some in production with multiple drivers to give you a true surround sound effect. As for movies on a PC, I never use my PC for that, other than maybe some Netflix movies on my laptop at night.
I've heard of people using a VPN to access Netflix content that isn't available in their region.
Yes, good point, most tech does go down dramatically over the year - look at computers.
As for Discovery, I watched the first season. It was decent, but I couldn't make myself continue the subscription just so I could watch one show. Discovery was the only reason I had for subscribing to CBS All Access in the first place.
I am too. I was disappointed that they changed the appearance of the Klingons (yet again, when you consider they changed the appearance of the Klingons in the first Star Trek movie). But I thought Discovery got pretty interesting in the middle and toward the end of season 1 when they were dealing with the mirror universe.
I just read a *wonderful* series (1 books) called Star Trek: Vanguard. They fit into the TOS universe and reference lots of canon while exploring new areas.
They mentioned the 'Augment Virus'. ST:ENT mentioned Augments as being from the Eugenics wars, and the modern klingons with the ridges were separated from the old-series klingons who were immune and didn't get the benefits/ridges, and became an inferior caste. Nice touch.
I just read a *wonderful* series (1 books) called Star Trek: Vanguard. They fit into the TOS universe and reference lots of canon while exploring new areas.
They mentioned the 'Augment Virus'. ST:ENT mentioned Augments as being PF>> from the Eugenics wars, and the modern klingons with the ridges were
separated from the old-series klingons who were immune and didn't get
the benefits/ridges, and became an inferior caste. Nice touch.
Apple's iPhone came out (it was the first smartphone on the market), IAre you sure about that (iPhone being the "first smartphone")?
I had a blackberry before the iPhone came out and I'm pretty sure it was considered a "smartphone".
series are "Fast tracked", meaning they air here within 24 hours of their original airing.
Shows like Dr Who do this, as did Game of Thrones (after they realised fans here were downloading it simply to keep up with their US friends).
I was the same like "Why would I spend $$$$$ on a .... phone!". But after I
It frustrated me that Netflix was carrying the new Star Trek series (Discovery) in most of the world except the US.. In the US, we'd have to subscribe to CBS All Access (yet another streaming service) to watch it legally.
And some TV series too. :)
I think you need to have a goal for it. In the 90s I remember paying 3000+ USD for mobile phones which could only be used for calling and texting. I don't get the samsung/iphone top model oh so expensive attitude as it was more expensive before.
Also look at people complaining for buying a PC or laptop for 400 USD... what? in the 80s we had to pay 300-400 for only the OS...
I've lost track of how many things I do with the phone now. :)
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
A while ago, I realized that producing a surround sound effect from headphones is probably easier to do than with surround-sound speaker systems. I was reading an article on 'binaural' headphones -
Basically, the idea is that sound is recorded with 2 microphones
mounted on something like a mannequin head, to record the audio that
you'd hear with your 2 ears. So when you listen to it with headphones, you can hear the sounds like you're there. I'm not sure if movies can play audio that way, but I'd think that would be an easy way to get the 'surround' effect with headphones.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
They mentioned the 'Augment Virus'. ST:ENT mentioned Augments as being from the Eugenics wars, and the modern klingons with the ridges were separated from the old-series klingons who were immune and didn't get the benefits/ridges, and became an inferior caste. Nice touch.
My understanding from Enterprise was that Klingons had ridges in the
past, and their experiments with eugenics (where they were mixing genes with humans) had caused them to lose their ridges for a period of time
(as shown in the original series), and they gradually got their ridges back (though I don't think it was really explained how their ridges
came back).
On 06-20-18 09:34, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My first smartphone was an LG, and was fairly affordable and wasn't
bad. Later I upgraded to another LG that had a physical keyboard (the screen slid to the side to reveal the keyboard). I liked the physical keyboard, and I wish more smartphones had them. The thing about that phone, though, was that it didn't have much storage space. I moved a
lot of my Android apps to my SD card, but even then, you first had to install an app to the internal storage before you could move it, and sometimes I ran into issues where I didn't have enough internal storage space to install another app.
Interesting, I hadn't heard of a magnetometer.
The access fee they charge sounds basically the same as that handset
fee.
On 06-20-18 09:36, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And season 2 hasn't started yet. Looking forward to it.
I am too. I was disappointed that they changed the appearance of the Klingons (yet again, when you consider they changed the appearance of
the Klingons in the first Star Trek movie). But I thought Discovery
got pretty interesting in the middle and toward the end of season 1
when they were dealing with the mirror universe.
With the changes with the Klingons, and modern look of the technology,
I'm curious how they're going to tie it all in to the original series.
On 06-20-18 09:54, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I always felt computers stuck to a price point, and the tech increased. Used to be that you could get a $800 standard computer, a $1500 gamer desktop, and a $2000 top-end system. The prices stayed the same, the amount of memory/CPU/disk increased.
Chromebooks and disposable laptops dropped the low-end of the curve and changed the rest of the prices along the way.
On 06-20-18 18:49, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Netflix is working well for this reason. Series aired/online in US, day later with subtitles... why bother downloading rips etc... well done Netflix.
On 06-20-18 18:52, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was the same like "Why would I spend $$$$$ on a .... phone!". But after I
I think you need to have a goal for it. In the 90s I remember paying
3000+ USD for mobile phones which could only be used for calling and texting. I don't get the samsung/iphone top model oh so expensive
attitude as it was more expensive before.
Also look at people complaining for buying a PC or laptop for 400
USD... what? in the 80s we had to pay 300-400 for only the OS...
On 06-20-18 18:55, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
For this reason I have my Plex server. Series I want to rewatch. Star Trek, M*A*S*H 4077, other scifi series. Netflix is sometimes a little
bit too fast with deleting stuff.
On 06-21-18 03:01, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Media
By: Vk3jed to Chai on Wed Jun 20 2018 14:15:00
I've lost track of how many things I do with the phone now. :)
I'd do a lot more with my phone if I had more space. I found out
quickly that 16GB is way too small for a smartphone. Facebook, FBMessenger and Google+ chew up the largest amount of space on my
phone, so I could delete those. The only problem is that I actually
use the apps from time to time. I'll eventually have to upgrade to a phone with more storage.
The access fee they charge sounds basically the same as that handset
fee.
"Handset fee" sounds a bit more honest though - it's a premium for paying off a more expenbsive handset, and I have no problem with that idea.
I am too. I was disappointed that they changed the appearance of
the Klingons (yet again, when you consider they changed the
appearance of
Well, they could have made the Klingons look more human, in line with TOS and the events in Season 4 of Enterprise.
I'd do a lot more with my phone if I had more space. I found out quickly that 16GB is way too small for a smartphone. Facebook, FBMessenger and Google+ chew up the largest amount of space on my phone, so I could delete those. The only problem is that I actually use the apps from time to time. I'll eventually have to upgrade to a phone with more storage.
I'd do a lot more with my phone if I had more space. I found out quickly that 16GB is way too small for a smartphone. Facebook, FBMessenger and Google+ chew up the largest amount of space on my phone, so I could delete those. The only problem is that I actually use the apps from time to time. I'll eventually have to upgrade to a phone with more storage.
I would guess if some future episode addresses this, it would go one of two ways. Of course, some cure could have been developed that ended it in one generation. More likely, since they were considered a lower caste, their number dwindled until the last were expelled from the Empire or killed.
What's frustrating is that a lot of phones come with apps that you can't rem even if you wanted to. The Facebook app is one that my phone won't allow me uninstall. One of my earlier Android phones didn't come with Facebook, but after installing Facebook on it (or maybe an Android update on the phone), I found I was no longer able to uninstall Facebook. I use Facebook, but on my phone, often I'd rather just use their web site rather than their app. One thing that frustrates me is that if someone messages you on Facebook, you ca no longer use the Facebook app to reply to messages - They force you to use their separate Messenger app now. If you use their web site though, on your smartphone you can have the browser request the desktop version and you can reply to messages there.
What's frustrating is that a lot of phones come with apps that you can't remove even if you wanted to. The Facebook app is one that my phone won't allow me to uninstall. One of my earlier Android phones didn't come with Facebook, but after installing Facebook on it (or maybe an Android update on the phone), I found I was no longer able to uninstall Facebook.
What's frustrating is that a lot of phones come with apps that you
can't rem even if you wanted to. The Facebook app is one that my
phone won't allow me uninstall. One of my earlier Android phones
Certain Android phones will let you disable the crapware apps that is permanently on your phone, but it's not a full uninstall.
It aggervates me to no end, as well, that they will do that: install apps that they think an avgerage user would install. Makes it difficult for users like us who don't care about these apps to remove.
PCs are the same way as well, but at least you uninstall most of it. Some apps that come with Windows that Microsoft wrote themselves cannot come off, nor do I want them.
I use Cricket Wireless with an AT&T phone, and there's close to a dozen AT&T apps that don't work. If your android phone's bootloader can be locked, you can load a neutral version of Android; I use LineageOS on an older Samsung S3 I have, and it's remarkably crap free.
Some of the Android phones let you combine internal storage and an SD card, but it apparently can slow the phone down. I have a 128 GB card in my phone, tempted to combine them to get around the limitations.
Reminds me of the Remans from ST: Nemesis. Liked the idea, hated the portrayal.
On 06-21-18 08:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The thing is, when I was looking at the phone plans for a particular carrier (AT&T), they would already add a premium for paying off a smartphone. The "access fee" was a separate fee they added in addition
to that.
On 06-21-18 08:35, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's actually what I was expecting with Discovery. I was surprised
that they didn't make the Klingons look like they did in TOS, and more surprised they made the Klingons look different in a way we had never
seen before. I think they're making the Klingons unnecessarily complicated, since they'll have to explain why they look different
again.
On 06-21-18 08:46, Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
What's frustrating is that a lot of phones come with apps that you
can't remove even if you wanted to. The Facebook app is one that my
phone won't allow me to uninstall. One of my earlier Android phones didn't come with Facebook, but after installing Facebook on it (or
maybe an Android update on the phone), I found I was no longer able to uninstall Facebook. I use Facebook, but on my phone, often I'd rather just use their web site rather than their app. One thing that
frustrates me is that if someone messages you on Facebook, you can no longer use the Facebook app to reply to messages - They force you to
use their separate Messenger app now. If you use their web site
though, on your smartphone you can have the browser request the desktop version and you can reply to messages there.
On 06-21-18 12:59, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-
Certain Android phones will let you disable the crapware apps that is permanently on your phone, but it's not a full uninstall.
On 06-21-18 12:59, Nightfox wrote to Jagossel <=-
Windows does come with Microsoft stuff that I don't use.. And one
thing I find interesting is that Apple has often advertised that their Macs come with a lot of good free Apple software, such as iPhoto,
Garage Band, etc., but these days I've been seeing Mac users post on online forums that they actually don't use or need a lot of the
software that Apple includes.
to uninstall Facebook. I use Facebook, but on my phone, often I'd
rather just use their web site rather than their app. One thing
that
Hmm, prefer the website? I find web interfaces to be the uglier version of what's available, though FB is not too bad on a PC. Not keen on it on mobile web though, I prefer the FB suite of apps.
Messenger is good, because it's a unique sound.
Windows does come with Microsoft stuff that I don't use.. And one
thing I find interesting is that Apple has often advertised that
their Macs come with a lot of good free Apple software, such as
iPhoto, Garage Band, etc., but these days I've been seeing Mac users
post on online forums that they actually don't use or need a lot of
the software that Apple includes.
When I had the Mac, I actually did make heavy use of iMovie, which was the best video editing program that I've ever used. Really nice and intuitive UI, like nothing else I've ever used.
Also look at people complaining for buying a PC or laptop for 400 USD... wha in the 80s we had to pay 300-400 for only the OS...
HAWKEYEThat is so funny. I remember when I went to a computer show and came home with a big old smile on my face because I got such a great deal. I got a 20MB (yep you read it right) hard drive for $200!
I've thought of trying to find a clean Android OS image for my phone, but I'm nervous to actually try that. I would be most nervous about the phone no longer working with my carrier. Also, there are some Samsung apps I've used (such as their 'Internet' browser) on my phone, so I'm not sure if I'd want a plain vanilla Google Android image. Also, it used to be that Samsung had their own voice assistant, but now I think a voice assistant is standard in Android from Google.
I currently have a 32GB card in my phone, and I've thought about buying a bigger one. Typically my music library was the largest thing I store on my phone, but as I take more photos with my phone, photos are slowly taking up more storage on my phone. Typically I use a dedicated camera if I want to take quality photos though.
That is so funny. I remember when I went to a computer show and came home with a big old smile on my face because I got such a great deal. I got a 20MB (yep you read it right) hard drive for $200!
I started uploading my music to Google Play Music - you can store 50,000 songs for free, and delete them off your phone if you want. Google has a podcast app, too - stores the podcasts in the cloud. Audio's pretty low-bandwidth, you could clear all the MP3s off your phone if you have decent cell phone coverage, and use the space for other things.
On 06-21-18 16:48, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't mind using their Facebook app on my phone, except that now you can't message people directly from the Facebook app - You have to use their Messenger app for that now.
Messenger is good, because it's a unique sound.
I just didn't like the idea of using yet another app for messaging
people on Facebook on my phone. Also, the Messenger app seems to want
to be a combined messaging app for Facebook as well as contacts on my phone.. For my phone contacts, I'd rather just keep using the built-in Android messenging app.
On 06-21-18 16:50, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If it's something that's useful to you, it's great that Apple includes
the software and that it's easy to use. For people who complain about
the included software they don't use, I think their main complaint was that perhaps Apple could offer an option to not include all that
software and charge a little less for the Mac.
On 06-21-18 19:38, Operations wrote to Hawkeye <=-
That is so funny. I remember when I went to a computer show and came
home with a big old smile on my face because I got such a great deal.
I got a 20MB (yep you read it right) hard drive for $200!
On 06-21-18 22:25, Nightfox wrote to Operations <=-
My first computer was a hand-me-down home-built PC with a 286 processor and a 10MB hard drive. Those old drives were big MFM drives that were
full-height (they took 2 5.25" drive bays) and were louder & used more power than today's drives. Also I remember they were less reliable..
I remember having to low-level format them and have the low-level formatting software mark the bad sectors so that the OS wouldn't try to use the bad sectors.
On 06-21-18 21:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
I started uploading my music to Google Play Music - you can store
50,000 songs for free, and delete them off your phone if you want.
Google has a podcast app, too - stores the podcasts in the cloud.
Audio's pretty low-bandwidth, you could clear all the MP3s off your
phone if you have decent cell phone coverage, and use the space for
other things.
On 06-22-18 09:26, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Nah, the reason I like to store my music on my phone is so that I don't have to rely on cell phone coverage or a streaming service to play my
own music.
I always felt computers stuck to a price point, and the tech increased. Used to be that you could get a $800 standard computer, a $1500 gamer desktop, and a $2000 top-end system. The prices stayed the same, the amount of memory/CPU/disk increased.
I've never paid $3000 for a phone, so for me that seems a bit ridiculous..
an example, my current phone is a Samsung Galaxy S7 which I bought just less than 2 years ago, and it was about $600 if I remember correctly. So if I bought a newer one now, why would I want to pay $800 or $1000 for a new one?
That is so funny. I remember when I went to a computer show and came home with a big old smile on my face because I got such a great deal. I got a 20MB (yep you read it right) hard drive for $200!
My first computer was a hand-me-down home-built PC with a 286 processor and a 10MB hard drive. Those old drives were big MFM drives that were full-height (they took 2 5.25" drive bays) and were louder & used more power than today's drives. Also I remember they were less reliable.. I remember having to low-level format them and have the low-level formatting software mark the bad sectors so that the OS wouldn't try to use the bad sectors.
an example, my current phone is a Samsung Galaxy S7 which I bought
just less than 2 years ago, and it was about $600 if I remember
correctly. So if I bought a newer one now, why would I want to pay
$800 or $1000 for a new one?
True, if it does the job why not. But you bought a flag ship 2 years ago. Actually Im using a S7 Edge also at the moment. But people buy a Samsung for 200 USD and complaining Android is so slow... nope... is slow hardware for budget money. Sometimes buying a flagship/high end model of 1-2 years old is better than a cheap ass model.
weird, I guess Im too old.... in the 80/90s 5000-6000 USD gave you a entry level PC and the OS costed about 200-400 USD. My first laptop was 18k. Now my XPS15 is 2k. My PC is a good workstation but doesn't top my old PC
Yeah those were the times... like an 8 MB (!) upgrade for my Amiga 2000 for $ 1600.... bargain from 2000 LOL....
Nah, the reason I like to store my music on my phone is so that I don't have to rely on cell phone coverage or a streaming service to play my own music.
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Re: Smartphones
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Thu Jun 21 2018 12:59 pm
What's frustrating is that a lot of phones come with apps that you
can't rem even if you wanted to. The Facebook app is one that my
phone won't allow me uninstall. One of my earlier Android phones
Certain Android phones will let you disable the junk apps that is permanently on your phone, but it's not a full uninstall.
That's correct.
It aggervates me to no end, as well, that they will do that: install apps that they think an avgerage user would install. Makes it difficult for users like us who don't care about these apps to remove.
It would be nice if they would let users install what they want and not have the non-uninstallable apps taking up space unnecessarily.
I am too. I was disappointed that they changed the appearance of the Klingons (yet again, when you consider they changed the appearance of the Klingons in the first Star Trek movie). But I thought Discovery got pretty interesting in the middle and toward the end of season 1 when they were dealing with the mirror universe.
With the changes with the Klingons, and modern look of the technology, I'm curious how they're going to tie it all in to the original series.
It aggervates me to no end, as well, that they will do that: install ap that they think an avgerage user would install. Makes it difficult for users like us who don't care about these apps to remove.
It would be nice if they would let users install what they want and not have the non-uninstallable apps taking up space unnecessarily.
What You All are writing made me think of this:
Maybe the Android manufacturers could offer Two Models for different users.
A Regular unit for people who don't fiddle with their phone.
A Deluxe unit for people who DO fiddle with their phone(s).
On 06-23-18 07:32, Jagossel wrote to Ed Vance <=-
It would be nice though to have a vanilla Google Android phone as an option.
At home, we've been getting spottier and spottier cell coverage. I think AT&T is starting to sacrifice their traditional 4G bandwidth for VoLTE bandwidth. new AT&T customers with newer phones get the bandwidth, older phones and MVNOs like Cricket Wireless get what's left over.
Currently I'm using Virgin Mobile, which is more of a budget cell service. It works most of the time, though in some areas I don't get a good signal. And it seems that Virgin Mobile phones don't have wi-fi calling, and Virgin Mobile doesn't offer microcells either.
Currently I'm using Virgin Mobile, which is more of a budget cell
service. It works most of the time, though in some areas I don't get a
good signal. And it seems that Virgin Mobile phones don't have wi-fi
calling, and Virgin Mobile doesn't offer microcells either.
i would drop them and go with an att reseller
There are backup programs for Android that let you do a bare metal restore back to the factory defaults. You can also get a factory image from the carrier.
I started uploading my music to Google Play Music - you can store 50,000 songs for free, and delete them off your phone if you want. Google has a podcast app, too - stores the podcasts in the cloud. Audio's pretty
Re: Re: Media
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Jun 23 2018 09:09 pm
Currently I'm using Virgin Mobile, which is more of a budget cell
service. It works most of the time, though in some areas I don't get a
good signal. And it seems that Virgin Mobile phones don't have wi-fi
calling, and Virgin Mobile doesn't offer microcells either.
i would drop them and go with an att reseller
I dunno.. I've been fairly satisfied with Virgin Mobile overall, and with AT&T I'd be paying a lot more than I am now.
Nightfox wrote to Operations <=-
My first computer was a hand-me-down home-built PC with a 286 processor and a 10MB hard drive. Those old drives were big MFM drives that were full-height (they took 2 5.25" drive bays) and were louder & used more power than today's drives. Also I remember they were less reliable..
I remember having to low-level format them and have the low-level formatting software mark the bad sectors so that the OS wouldn't try to use the bad sectors.
phones are more expensive than that now. Though, I didn't buy the 'edge' model, just the plain Galaxy S7, and perhaps I got a deal on it.. I think I
$18k for a laptop seems crazy. Back in those days, that was more than a lot of cars cost.. And you can still buy a fairly good car for that much today.
I had 2 32 MB drives in the BBS, and I could tell in the middle of the night when the Fido mail run happened by the sound the drives made. In a metal PC case. In a closet. With the door closed.
You'd buy a drive with a list of bad sectors taped to it. LL format them out and you'd be good to go. Seasonal temperature swings? Probably need to LL format it again. Spinrite was your friend, too -- trying to get the interlacing right and blocking off new bad sectors.
I had 2 32 MB drives in the BBS, and I could tell in the middle of the night when the Fido mail run happened by the sound the drives made. In a metal PC case. In a closet. With the door closed.
I've never paid $3000 for a phone, so for me that seems a bit
ridiculous.. Besides, technology prices typically go down. We aren't
Sometimes people just don't want to spend money if they don't need to.
If your current PC is working just fine for you and then suddenly it
stops working, do you really want to spend even $400 for a new one? It may be an unexpected expense.
If $300-$400 for an OS still seams reasonable to you, then by all
means, give them that much money next time you buy an OS..
Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Smartphones
By: Nightfox to Chai on Thu Jun 21 2018 08:46:04
Certain Android phones will let you disable the crapware apps that is permanently on your phone, but it's not a full uninstall.
It aggervates me to no end, as well, that they will do that: install
apps that they think an avgerage user would install. Makes it difficult for users like us who don't care about these apps to remove.
Nightfox wrote to Jagossel <=-
Re: Smartphones
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Thu Jun 21 2018 12:59 pm
That's one reason I like to build my own PC. I only install the
software I want. Also, Windows 10 now has a built-in "reset to
factory" feature, which hopefully would let users reset Windows back to
a clean state without all the stuff the PC maker installs.. though I'm not sure if Windows 10's reset feature always goes back to a plain
Windows install or if it would keep a set of default software installed
by the PC maker.
Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
32GB works for me on Android, and my old iPhone is a 64GB model (but
that one has a lot of music on it).
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Chai <=-
Some of the Android phones let you combine internal storage and an SD card, but it apparently can slow the phone down. I have a 128 GB card
in my phone, tempted to combine them to get around the limitations.
The nice thing is being able to load the bigger apps like audible onto
the SD card, and apps that are external storage friendly like my
podcast app that can store their media there.
Not only that, but back in the 80's, most families that had a computer had ONE computer. There was no such thing as tablets and smartphones. In fact, most families back in the 80's didn't even own a computer. There are more products available now that tends to divide our incomes, so purchasing $3,000 computer systems is prohibitive for some (thankfully, cheap manufacturing has given us the solution). Add to that fact that real estate is a larger portion of our income than it was back then, and the purchasing power for electronics and other electives is lessened. I imagine people outside of the US may have had a different experience.
I purchased Windows 95 for $85, full version (more typical of the US pricing).
though I'm not sure if Windows 10's reset feature always goes back
to a plain Windows install or if it would keep a set of default
software installed by the PC maker.
It's replaced by the manufacturer's own image on a branded machine, typically. However, if you have a digital entitlement, you can use GParted to erase the drive completely, download the Windows 10 installer, and Windows 10 will activate with that entitlement. Voila, no crapware.
Fills up your phone storage quicker. Forces people to buy, yet another, more expensive phone. It urks me too. I don't like things being so disposable. It's bad for the environment.
Yeah, I remember back in those days when not many people knew how to use a computer. And with computers being more expensive back then, I imagine people often had other things they'd rather spend their money on.
That's pretty good for an OS. These days, most of the time I tend to see Windows upgrade editions being sold. And back then, it seemed like the WIndows 95 upgrade edition (for upgrading from Windows 3.1) was fairly common. But I've found full verisons of Windows these days for around $120 or so.
What is a "digital entitlement"? Is that a serial number, or something else?
about a law that went into effect here some years ago where it's now technically illegal to throw away electronics into the garbage. I heard we
found near me that takes old electronics to be recycled. It's a bit inconvenient though. Similarly, I've heard you really shouldn't throw away old batteries, but it's hard to want to go out of my way to collect old
I had 2 32 MB drives in the BBS, and I could tell in the middle of
the night when the Fido mail run happened by the sound the drives
made. In a metal PC case. In a closet. With the door closed.
LL format it again. Spinrite was your friend, too -- trying to get the interlacing right and blocking off new bad sectors.
I had 2 32 MB drives in the BBS, and I could tell in the middle of the
night when the Fido mail run happened by the sound the drives made. In a metal PC case. In a closet. With the door closed.
Certain Android phones will let you disable the crapware apps that is permanently on your phone, but it's not a full uninstall.
It aggervates me to no end, as well, that they will do that: install apps that they think an avgerage user would install. Makes it difficult for users like us who don't care about these apps to remove.
Fills up your phone storage quicker. Forces people to buy, yet another, mor expensive phone. It urks me too. I don't like things being so disposable. It's bad for the environment.
Yeah, I remember back in those days when not many people knew how to
use a computer. And with computers being more expensive back then, I
imagine people often had other things they'd rather spend their money
on.
Yeah, I remember people thinking I was smart because I could use DOS. DOS is pretty basic compared to modern systems CL, but I didn't mind the compliments.
What is a "digital entitlement"? Is that a serial number, or
something else?
With "most" versions of Windows 10, a hash of your CPU is kept on Microsoft's activation servers when you have an activated version of Windows 10. You only have to use your key one time. Additional installs after that do not require the key. Microsoft already knows your CPU has a valid license and activates on its own. With my HP, even though it's OEM,
Wal-Mart would be a more convenient location for recycling old phones. That's a major complaint with any recycling program...inconvenience. We (U.S.) need to work on that.
I'm wondering what happens if you upgrade your CPU. Does your Windows license become invalidated and you need to buy a new copy of Windows, or does Microsoft allow re-use when your CPU is upgraded?
On 06-26-18 16:54, Chai wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Chai <=-
32GB works for me on Android, and my old iPhone is a 64GB model (but
that one has a lot of music on it).
That's probably what I will go with. I *almost* manage with 16GB, so I think 32GB would be enough, for now.
On 06-26-18 16:25, Chai wrote to Jagossel <=-
Fills up your phone storage quicker. Forces people to buy, yet
another, more expensive phone. It urks me too. I don't like things
being so disposable. It's bad for the environment.
about a law that went into effect here some years ago where it's now
technically illegal to throw away electronics into the garbage.
I had the same! I can't imagine running those machines now in my bedroom. When a kid i didnt worry and i slept good, now i dont want any sound near me :)
I'm wondering what happens if you upgrade your CPU. Does your Windows license become invalidated and you need to buy a new copy of Windows, or does Microsoft allow re-use when your CPU is upgraded?
If I had music on the Android, I'd have to go bigger, or use an SD card for the music. :)
On 06-28-18 07:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-or
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Re: Re: Smartphones
By: Vk3jed to Chai on Wed Jun 27 2018 12:04 pm
If I had music on the Android, I'd have to go bigger, or use an SD card
the music. :)
I keep my music, videos, Kindle and Audible apps and store my podcasts
on the SD card, Works well.
I can't believe I ever used a 16GB iPhone before!
On 06-28-18 06:34, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Hawkeye <=-
I had the same! I can't imagine running those machines now in my bedroom. When a kid i didnt worry and i slept good, now i dont want any sound near me :)
I liked the white noise. Now I've got tinnitus, probably couldn't hear
the PC running...
Yeah the white noise worked for me as well. :) Today, Iactually have a white noise generator in my Pi - one disadvantage of no moving parts! :) The generator is simply a cron job that plays a very long MP3 between 9PM and 8AM. :)
On 06-29-18 06:28, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
oh, that's funny. For the full effect you should have it randomly play
a clunking noise to freak you out and think that your spinning hard
drive is going south.
I'm wondering what happens if you upgrade your CPU. Does your Windows license become invalidated and you need to buy a new copy of Windows, or does Microsoft allow re-use when your CPU is upgraded?
My local garbage pickup allows electronics below a certain size (roughly a tower PC) in the recycling, and they sort it out. Very helpful.about a law that went into effect here some years ago where it's now
technically illegal to throw away electronics into the garbage.
I liked the white noise. Now I've got tinnitus, probably couldn't hear the PC running...
On 06-28-18 06:34, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Hawkeye <=-
I had the same! I can't imagine running those machines now in my bedroom. When a kid i didnt worry and i slept good, now i dont want any sound near me :)
I liked the white noise. Now I've got tinnitus, probably couldn't hear the PC running...
Yeah the white noise worked for me as well. :) Today, Iactually have a white noise generator in my Pi - one disadvantage of no moving parts! :)
The generator is simply a cron job that plays a very long MP3 between 9PM and 8AM. :)
Re: Re: Media
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 29 2018 05:20 pm
On 06-28-18 06:34, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Hawkeye <=-
I had the same! I can't imagine running those machines now in my bedroom. When a kid i didnt worry and i slept good, now i dont want any sound near me :)
I liked the white noise. Now I've got tinnitus, probably couldn't hear the PC running...
Yeah the white noise worked for me as well. :) Today, Iactually have a white noise generator in my Pi - one disadvantage of no moving parts! :) The generator is simply a cron job that plays a very long MP3 between 9PM and 8AM. :)
i have tinnitus, but that doesnt block out any sound. i just have the ringing/high pitch buzzing sound most of the time.
i am so used to used to sleeping with my computers, it doesnt seem right without the sound of those fans spinning.
i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying to me than the sound.
Yeah the white noise worked for me as well. :) Today, Iactually have a white noise generator in my Pi - one disadvantage of no moving parts! :) The generator is simply a cron job that plays a very long MP3 between 9PM and 8AM. :)
i tried white noise mp3s for my tinnitus but they were more annoying to me t the sound.
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