Something at the core of our society has changed.
The respect and sanctity of human life seems to be lost.

Why?

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Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Gandolf to DOVE-Net.General on Sun Mar 25 2018 01:48 pm

Something at the core of our society has changed.
The respect and sanctity of human life seems to be lost.

Why?

maybe human life was never worth that much to begin with.
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Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Gandolf to DOVE-Net.General on Sun Mar 25 2018 13:48:06

Something at the core of our society has changed.
The respect and sanctity of human life seems to be lost.

I'm sorry yoy feel this way, and it is a sad truth. This, to me, is a good sign that you do care.

Why?

One theory I've heard is, at least for this country (USA), is that we've slowly avandoned pur Judeo-Christian beliefs; which believes that any human being has an infinite possibilty. I, too, believe that's why we are where we are now.

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One theory I've heard is, at least for this country (USA), is that
we've slowly avandoned pur Judeo-Christian beliefs; which believes that any human being has an infinite possibilty. I, too, believe that's why
we are where we are now.

That just sounds like religion trying to justify its existence. I think it has more to do with other aspects of social change, like the loss of the village and community, with everyone being more individualistic. The rates of mental illness seem much higher than ever before, which makes me think society is severely broken. Where is that connectedness among people.

Humans are a social animal, we need to connect with other people for our sanity (in the most literal sense!).


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One theory I've heard is, at least for this country (USA), is that we've slowly
avandoned pur Judeo-Christian beliefs; which believes that any human being has >an infinite possibilty. I, too, believe that's why we are where we are now.

That could be. Assuming that the proof that we've lost it has come in the
form of all of the recent mass-shootings and other violence, I have another theory. I think it has to do with the fact that we do not lock up the criminally insane as much as we used to. The rise in homelessness in this country can at least partially be attributed to the closing of mental
health institutions in favor of "mainstreaming" the mentally ill. IMHO,
the rise in serial and mass murders can also be attributed to it.

There is a book called "The Psychopath Test" by John Ronson (sp?). Great
read. Details some of the "movements" away from institutionalizing
insanely harmful persons, among other things.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Tue Mar 27 2018 02:03 pm

village and community, with everyone being more individualistic. The rates of mental illness seem much higher than ever before, which makes me think society is severely broken. Where is that connectedness among people.

I don't believe the rates of mental illness is higher. It's just been talked about more in the past 5-10 years and people are "coming out" just like the gays and lesbians etc. People are just as messed up as they were 20,50 even 100 years ago. "Proper Behavior" was also taught much more then today.These days anything goes!

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Re: The Sanctity of Human Lif
By: Dumas Walker to JAGOSSEL on Mon Mar 26 2018 06:26 pm

another theory. I think it has to do with the fact that we do not lock up the criminally insane as much as we used to. The rise in homelessness in this country can at least partially be attributed to the closing of mental health institutions in favor of "mainstreaming" the mentally ill. IMHO,

Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. Where exactly did all the "Sane" people think people with mental illness were going to live? Were they going to get cured because they were no longer Institutionized?? The so called "Normal" people are the ones that "need their head examined"!

That's just my opinion....I could be wrong.

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Re: The Sanctity of Human Lif
By: Hustler to Dumas Walker on Tue Mar 27 2018 11:24 am

Re: The Sanctity of Human Lif
By: Dumas Walker to JAGOSSEL on Mon Mar 26 2018 06:26 pm

another theory. I think it has to do with the fact that we do not lock up the criminally insane as much as we used to. The rise in homelessness in this country can at least partially be attributed to the closing of mental health institutions in favor of "mainstreaming" the mentally ill. IMHO,

Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. Where exactly did all the "Sane" people think people with mental illness were going to live? Were they going to get cured because they were no longer Institutionized?? The so called "Normal" people are the ones that "need their head examined"!

That's just my opinion....I could be wrong.

should give them lobotomys like a kennedy
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The rates of mental
illness seem much higher than ever before, which makes me think society is severely broken.

The rates could be higher, but I also think we notice it more now because
the mentally (and, potentially, criminally) ill are mainstreamed now rather than being kept in institutions where many of them truely belong.

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I don't believe the rates of mental illness is higher. It's just been talked about more in the past 5-10 years and people are "coming out" just like the gays and lesbians etc. People are just as messed up as they were 20,50 even 100 years ago. "Proper Behavior" was also taught much more then today.These days anything goes!

My father worked as an admin in government mental health programs, most of my life, and was always pushing for more funding to research and support services for people with mental disabilities or improperly diagnosed mental diseases. It was extremely challenging work and often times you could see how frustrated he was when he came home from work.

A lot of these mental health issues that have come to light in the recent decades have only come to light because science is finally beginning to understand a lot of the stuff we read about. The diseases have probably always been there, we just didn't have a name for them.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Dumas Walker to VK3JED on Tue Mar 27 2018 06:46 pm

The rates of mental
illness seem much higher than ever before, which makes me think society is severely broken.

The rates could be higher, but I also think we notice it more now because the mentally (and, potentially, criminally) ill are mainstreamed now rather than being kept in institutions where many of them truely belong.

i think the media is also triggering these people.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Android8675 to Hustler on Wed Mar 28 2018 09:07 am

A lot of these mental health issues that have come to light in the recent decades have only come to light because science is finally beginning to understand a lot of the stuff we read about. The diseases have probably always been there, we just didn't have a name for them.

for most of this mental issue stuff, we are still in the dark.
most of the treatment drugs are accidental discoveries and they dont
always work. furthermore, some of these drugs are now discovered to be harmful.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: MRO to Android8675 on Wed Mar 28 2018 05:00 pm

for most of this mental issue stuff, we are still in the dark.
most of the treatment drugs are accidental discoveries and they dont always work. furthermore, some of these drugs are now discovered to be harmful.

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The Doctors that prescribe the drugs don't know how they work. The whole mental health system is one giant scam! The Doctor will give someone pills, tell them they're cured and say sure "He can have a gun". As long as he/she takes the pills I prescribe he/she is fine. Ack! Don't get me started on this.

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Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I don't believe the rates of mental illness is higher. It's just been talked about more in the past 5-10 years and people are "coming out"
just like the gays and lesbians etc. People are just as messed up as
they were 20,50 even 100 years ago. "Proper Behavior" was also taught
much more then today.These days anything goes!

While you are right, I still believe the rates of mental illness are increasing, because society is becoming increasingly disconnected. Real person-person interaction is becoming less common (who chats to their neighbours over the fence anymore? - actually I still do occasionally). While we have social media and other technological wonders, it seems to me we are losing that deeper communication that we need.


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Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

The rates could be higher, but I also think we notice it more now
because the mentally (and, potentially, criminally) ill are
mainstreamed now rather than being kept in institutions where many of
them truely belong.

There's no doubt a bit of that too.


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While you are right, I still believe the rates of mental illness are increasing, because society is becoming increasingly disconnected. Real

I agree. It certainly isn't getting any better. Look at the "Heroin Epidemic" in our society. It is now know most people that use drugs are "self
medicating" due to some underlying mental illness. Eg. Anxiety Disorder, Depression, whatever. I believe this thread started over the question of
having guns. Mental illness is being used as an excuse as to why someone
would buy a gun and mass murder. I'm not buing it. If that's true I'm never leaving my house cause there's a lot of wackos in the world.

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Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. Where exactly did all the "Sane" people >think people with mental illness were going to live? Were they going to get >cured because they were no longer Institutionized?? The so called "Normal" >people are the ones that "need their head examined"!
That's just my opinion....I could be wrong.

Mine also, and I could also be wrong. I know that many of the institutions were in horrible shape at the time but, rather than fix the system, they
did a complete 180 with it. It has really made a mess of things. You
pretty much have to prove you are a threat to others, often after-the-fact, before they will lock you up. Even then, locked up could mean in a prison where they are not equipped to handle the mentally ill.

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The rates could be higher, but I also think we notice it more now because
the mentally (and, potentially, criminally) ill are mainstreamed now rather >> than being kept in institutions where many of them truely belong.

i think the media is also triggering these people.

I think you are not far from right. I am pretty certain they dwell on events like these, for ratings, a lot more than they used to. They make them
famous, even if it is for something horrible.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Android8675 to Hustler on Wed Mar 28 2018 09:07 am

A lot of these mental health issues that have come to light in the recent decades have only come to light because science is finally beginning to understand a lot of the stuff we read about. The diseases have probably always been there, we just didn't have a name for them.

Who remembers ADHD growing up in the 80s? Yeah, me neither.

I'll tell you what. I'm fairly sure I had it. Of course it was undiagnosed cause ADHD was not in the english language yet. My nephew was diagnosed with it when he was a kid (Adult now) I remember they put him on riddlin. Drugs! That's what the kids need. More drugs! OMG!

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HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I agree. It certainly isn't getting any better. Look at the "Heroin Epidemic" in our society. It is now know most people that use drugs are "self medicating" due to some underlying mental illness. Eg. Anxiety

Yes, self medication is common, and there's so many drugs that allow you to do it in the unhealthiest way possible. There are healthy ways to treat yourself too, like exercise, one of the best mood lifters for many people. :)

Disorder, Depression, whatever. I believe this thread started over the question of having guns. Mental illness is being used as an excuse as
to why someone would buy a gun and mass murder. I'm not buing it. If that's true I'm never leaving my house cause there's a lot of wackos in the world.

I think the increase of both mental illness and gun violence are symptoms of bigger issues in society that aren't being addressed.


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Hustler wrote to Android8675 <=-

Who remembers ADHD growing up in the 80s? Yeah, me neither.

Actually, I do, in news reports of extremely uncontrollable kids who were diagnosed with what we now know as ADHD.

I'll tell you what. I'm fairly sure I had it. Of course it was
undiagnosed cause ADHD was not in the english language yet. My nephew
was diagnosed with it when he was a kid (Adult now) I remember they put him on riddlin. Drugs! That's what the kids need. More drugs! OMG!

Turns out I happen to have ADHD myself. I had suspected for many years, but confirmed at the start of this month. But in my case, I learned to self manage, spending much of my life in sport (and lately getting quite good at it ;) ), which really keeps the hyperactivity under control, and having places for important things like wallet and keys, so I don't forget them in a moment of inattention or distraction. Impulsivity occasionally gets me into trouble, usually by saying something before thinking (this medium is much safer than speaking :D ), but I usually manage to think twice before speaking. But the same impulsive side is useful for overcoming hesitation when trying something new. It often expresses itself as opportunism, which has been a valuable trait over the years.

And no, I don't have any plans or desire to take on any medication. I think my methods suit me better than meds would. I would need a good argument to convince me otherwise. :) Just have to better manage some of the secondary issues like anxiety (which I'm particularly susceptible to due to mutiple risk factors). But other issues like depression (another one I have risk factors for) are notably absent in me. :)


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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Vk3jed to Hustler on Wed Mar 28 2018 09:32 pm

increasing, because society is becoming increasingly disconnected. Real person-person interaction is becoming less common (who chats to their neighbours over the fence anymore? - actually I still do occasionally). While we have social media and other technological wonders, it seems to me we are losing that deeper communication that we need.

Personally I wouldn't mind chatting with my neighbors like that. I'm not
sure if it's just me, but it seems that many people these days might consider it strange do that though. I'm more of an introvert though, so I might be less apt to start a conversation with a new neighbor than someone who is more outgoing. Sometimes it just seems like people generally aren't interested in talking to and getting to know their neighbors etc..

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Hustler to Android8675 on Thu Mar 29 2018 04:00 pm

I'll tell you what. I'm fairly sure I had it. Of course it was undiagnosed cause ADHD was not in the english language yet. My nephew was diagnosed with it when he was a kid (Adult now) I remember they put him on riddlin. Drugs! That's what the kids need. More drugs! OMG!

I've heard people debate whether they think ADHD (and/or ADD) is a real thing, and whether they need drugs.. It's hard for me to make a judgment on that since I'm not a psychologist or a doctor, but I'd think that at least if the term ADHD exists, then it may be a real thing. Whether or not drugs is the right answer, I don't know. I'm just not sure if kids with ADHD have a real condition or if they're just different like anyone else, or if a certain parenting style could cause a short attention span & hyperactivity..

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: HusTler to Vk3jed on Thu Mar 29 2018 04:04 am

I agree. It certainly isn't getting any better. Look at the "Heroin Epidemic" in our society. It is now know most people that use drugs are "self
medicating" due to some underlying mental illness. Eg. Anxiety Disorder, Depression, whatever. I believe this thread started over the question of having guns. Mental illness is being used as an excuse as to why someone would buy a gun and mass murder. I'm not buing it. If that's true I'm never leaving my house cause there's a lot of wackos in the world.

also apparently heroin feels better than anything else in the world.
so there's that.
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While you are right, I still believe the rates of mental illness are >increasing, because society is becoming increasingly disconnected. Real >person-person interaction is becoming less common (who chats to their >neighbours over the fence anymore? - actually I still do occasionally). While >we have social media and other technological wonders, it seems to me we are >losing that deeper communication that we need.

I am not certain if that leads to mental illness or not, but it does depersonalize things, which can lead to other issues, dangers, etc., that
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I agree. It certainly isn't getting any better. Look at the "Heroin Epidemic" >in our society. It is now know most people that use drugs are "self >medicating" due to some underlying mental illness. Eg. Anxiety Disorder, >Depression, whatever. I believe this thread started over the question of >having guns. Mental illness is being used as an excuse as to why someone >would buy a gun and mass murder. I'm not buing it. If that's true I'm never >leaving my house cause there's a lot of wackos in the world.

Actually it started about the sanctity of human life. That said, they are fighting things like mass murders, drug epidemics, homelessness, etc., all wrong. They are going after those things like they are the illness when
they are really just symptoms. It would be like having pneumonia but only treating the cough. Mental illness is at the root of a lot of our problems.

Read "The Psychopath Test" by John Ronson (sp?) sometime. Among other
things, he goes into some detail about the well meaning folks who thought
that there were better ways of treating the criminally insane that keeping
them locked up. While well meaning, they were all pretty much failures.

He also covers, pretty extensively, the case of one fellow who was locked
up in an institution in error, although it was partially his fault for
trying to game the system.

It is a good read, and it only scratches the surface of what is going on.

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Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Personally I wouldn't mind chatting with my neighbors like that. I'm
not sure if it's just me, but it seems that many people these days
might consider it strange do that though. I'm more of an introvert though, so I might be less apt to start a conversation with a new
neighbor than someone who is more outgoing. Sometimes it just seems
like people generally aren't interested in talking to and getting to
know their neighbors etc..

I think it's good to do. There's a couple of our neighbours that we chat to occasionally. One couple in particular are quite chatty, so if we see them out the front, there's a pretty good chance to stop for a chat. I think it adds to the harmony of the area.


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Nightfox wrote to Hustler <=-

I've heard people debate whether they think ADHD (and/or ADD) is a real thing, and whether they need drugs.. It's hard for me to make a
judgment on that since I'm not a psychologist or a doctor, but I'd
think that at least if the term ADHD exists, then it may be a real
thing. Whether or not drugs is the right answer, I don't know. I'm
just not sure if kids with ADHD have a real condition or if they're
just different like anyone else, or if a certain parenting style could cause a short attention span & hyperactivity..

Some good questions there. ADHD is defined in the medical model, which pathologizes anything that deviates from the norm, and expects people to fit that norm. However, in the neurdiversity paradigm, ADHD could be thought of as a different brain wiring and offer potential benefits that society doesn't initially see, at the cost of needing some accommodations.


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Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

I am not certain if that leads to mental illness or not, but it does depersonalize things, which can lead to other issues, dangers, etc.,
that are just as bad.

I'm sure there's a relationship, sometimes only in degree.


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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Thu Mar 29 2018 06:50 pm

Actually it started about the sanctity of human life. That said, they are fighting things like mass murders, drug epidemics, homelessness, etc., all wrong. They are going after those things like they are the illness when they are really just symptoms. It would be like having pneumonia but only treating the cough. Mental illness is at the root of a lot of our problems.

Read "The Psychopath Test" by John Ronson (sp?) sometime. Among other things, he goes into some detail about the well meaning folks who thought that there were better ways of treating the criminally insane that keeping them locked up. While well meaning, they were all pretty much failures.

He also covers, pretty extensively, the case of one fellow who was locked
up in an institution in error, although it was partially his fault for trying to game the system.

It is a good read, and it only scratches the surface of what is going on.

I disagree that the sanctity of human life has been lost. It only appears to be so when compared to the short period following World War II, and even
then, it is quite subjective.

Looking through history, murder rates have been higher, higher than today and violence and warfare was more prolific. Compared to Medieval England, murder rates are far lower. The chance of being killed by another human being is today, at the lowest odds that we've ever seen through all history.

This perhaps has more to do with law enforcement, an effective police system and social conditioning than a notion of "sanctity" but things aren't that
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Looking through history, murder rates have been higher, higher than today and >violence and warfare was more prolific. Compared to Medieval England, murder >rates are far lower. The chance of being killed by another human being is >today, at the lowest odds that we've ever seen through all history.

But that is not possible. They didn't have assault weapons back then!

In reality, I would not doubt what you are saying. I think part of the difference is that back then there was no TV or Internet news to report on
each incident repeatedly until it was beat to death.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human Life.
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Mar 30 2018 03:22 pm

fit that norm. However, in the neurdiversity paradigm, ADHD could be thought of as a different brain wiring and offer potential benefits that society doesn't initially see, at the cost of needing some accommodations.

There's a guy named Peter Shankman with a great attitude - he has a podcast and a book called "Faster Than Normal" and he spends his time de-stigmatizing his condition as just the way he is.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Mar 29 2018 08:27 pm

also apparently heroin feels better than anything else in the world.
so there's that.

There must be something to it. Wars have been fought over it! I remember learning about the "Opium Wars" in school. Alcohol is second. I've often wondered about the men in all these battles we learn about. They must of been stoned out of their minds! What sober/sane person fights with swords and charges cannons pointed at them? They don't teach you that part in school.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Hustler to MRO on Fri Mar 30 2018 06:04 pm

There must be something to it. Wars have been fought over it! I remember learning about the "Opium Wars" in school. Alcohol is second. I've often wondered about the men in all these battles we learn about. They must of been stoned out of their minds! What sober/sane person fights with swords and charges cannons pointed at them? They don't teach you that part in school.

also the nazis were jacked up on meth. so was most of germany around that period.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Hustler to MRO on Fri Mar 30 2018 18:04:46

also apparently heroin feels better than anything else in the world.
so there's that.

There must be something to it. Wars have been fought over it! I remember learning about the "Opium Wars" in school. Alcohol is second. I've often wondered about the men in all these battles we learn about. They must of been stoned out of their minds! What sober/sane person fights with swords and charges cannons pointed at them? They don't teach you that part in school.

"The Opium Wars" never ended.. Why do you think USSR and now the US wants to occupy Afghanistan so long.. It's not just Oil.. It's poppy fields too..

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Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I don't believe the rates of mental illness is higher. It's just been talked about more in the past 5-10 years and people are "coming out"
just like the gays and lesbians etc. People are just as messed up as
they were 20,50 even 100 years ago. "Proper Behavior" was also taught
much more then today.These days anything goes!

That's exactly it. Not that long ago, admitting you had a mental illness
was something nobody would do voluntarily, because the repercussions of
doing so were generally swift and negative. Even today, a lot of people
with mental illness will do what they can to hide it, simply for the
fact that they just want to try to live a "normal" life. The end result
is simply that people who need treatment will not get said treatment.

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Android8675 wrote to Hustler <=-

Who remembers ADHD growing up in the 80s? Yeah, me neither.

Actually, I do. Was diagnosed with it when I was six. That was in 1982. Still struggle with it to this day, but thankfully, getting support for Adult ADHD is much easier nowadays than it used to be.


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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

i think the media is also triggering these people.

I think that is an incredible cop-out. There is a lot to criticize about
the media, but I doubt that they are responsible for even 1/10th of the
ills of society that we seem to peg to them.

It's also telling that an entire industry (in fact, multiple industries,
since "the media" is everything from video game developers to musicians,
to newscasters, to us internet commenters) gets the blame, because while
so many people can agree that "the <name industry here>" is to blame for
all the bad shit going on in the world, nobody can actually agree which
actual members of that industry are to blame.

Passing blame on something as vague as "society" or "the media" or "the
energy industry" or "big pharma" or "public education", is about as
useful as saying "humans did this". All you really are doing is saying
"it's not my fault" without actually committing to an argument of whose
fault it is, because as long as you don't name names, you don't have to
justify your finger-pointing.

It's cowardice at its finest.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Rockapella to MRO on Sun Apr 01 2018 11:51 am

MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

i think the media is also triggering these people.

I think that is an incredible cop-out. There is a lot to criticize about

it's not a cop out. i'm not trying to avoid anything.

these people watch the attacks on television and the internet and they get ideas. they start fantasizing about if it was them and what they would do.
then they act on it.

we are being bombarded with this stuff every day so its affecting mentally ill people.

Passing blame on something as vague as "society" or "the media" or "the

i'm not placing blame, just saying they play a part in it all. and they profit from it.
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@VIA: VERT

Android8675 wrote to Hustler <=-

Who remembers ADHD growing up in the 80s? Yeah, me neither.

Actually, I do. Was diagnosed with it when I was six. That was in 1982. Still struggle with it to this day, but thankfully, getting support for Adult ADHD is much easier nowadays than it used to be.

Welcome to the club. :) I only recently confirmed I have ADHD (combined inattention/hyperactivity), but also discovered that I learned to manage it fairly well myself over the years with outlets for the hyperactivity and the use of routines and technology to manage the inattention - was showing someone how I avoid leaving important things like keys and wallet behind just the other day. That kept ADHD under the radar until last months (though I had my suspicions), as well as having ther conditions (namely autism) that overshadowed the ADHD.

I slipped totally under the radar until after I left home.


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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Rockapella to MRO on Sun Apr 01 2018 11:51 am

It's also telling that an entire industry (in fact, multiple industries, since "the media" is everything from video game developers to musicians, to newscasters, to us internet commenters) gets the blame, because while so many people can agree that "the <name industry here>" is to blame for all the bad shit going on in the world, nobody can actually agree which actual members of that industry are to blame.

Passing blame on something as vague as "society" or "the media" or "the energy industry" or "big pharma" or "public education", is about as
useful as saying "humans did this". All you really are doing is saying "it's not my fault" without actually committing to an argument of whose fault it is, because as long as you don't name names, you don't have to justify your finger-pointing.

I agree. I don't really think it's video games or movies etc. causing people to do violent things. There have been movies and video games with violence for a long time, and most people don't go do violent things after watching/playing those things. People can enjoy shoot-em-up and other violent video games and not be violent people in real life (which feels a little strange to actually think about).

I am reminded of a time when I was playing Duke Nukem Forever online (free-for-all mode) a few years ago and heard one of the players on the microphone getting all pissed off when someone got him, and he started going off on how he was just released from prison and he wanted to track all of us down and go after us. I thought it was a bit sad that people actually think that way sometimes.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to Rockapella on Sun Apr 01 2018 04:31 pm

Passing blame on something as vague as "society" or "the media" or "the energy industry" or "big pharma" or "public education", is about as

I agree. I don't really think it's video games or movies etc. causing people to do violent things. There have been movies and video games with violence for a long time, and most people don't go do violent things after

you guys are missing my point. i am saying the media is triggering these already sick people.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Apr 01 2018 11:34 pm

I agree. I don't really think it's video games or movies etc. causing
people to do violent things. There have been movies and video games
with violence for a long time, and most people don't go do violent
things after

you guys are missing my point. i am saying the media is triggering these already sick people.

I don't know if it's the media per se. Remember the Columbine shooting, the one that started it all? (Okay, maybe it didn't start it all, but it certainly opened up a can of worms.) There was a certain group of people who believed that the game DOOM, which was hailed as one of the greatest games of all time up until then, was to blame for the shooting, that the gunman in question was trying out a "real-life" version of DOOM on the students. Truth is, the guy was a sociopath, and really, anybody who would do that is clearly insane.

Now I realize I just used kind of a harsh word there, but please let me explain: the word "insane" is an actual legal term meaning that somebody didn't know at the time that what they were doing was wrong, due to mental illness or whatever. Or so I have heard. I myself used to play DOOM a lot, and I turned out fine.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 07:09 am

I don't know if it's the media per se. Remember the Columbine shooting, the one that started it all? (Okay, maybe it didn't start it all, but it

back then it was a rarity; it's not now.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Apr 01 2018 11:34 pm

Passing blame on something as vague as "society" or "the media" or
"the energy industry" or "big pharma" or "public education", is
about as

I agree. I don't really think it's video games or movies etc. causing
people to do violent things. There have been movies and video games
with violence for a long time, and most people don't go do violent
things after

you guys are missing my point. i am saying the media is triggering these already sick people.

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his comment.. I do understand what you mean.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 07:09 am

I don't know if it's the media per se. Remember the Columbine shooting, the one that started it all? (Okay, maybe it didn't start it all, but it certainly opened up a can of worms.) There was a certain group of people who believed that the game DOOM, which was hailed as one of the greatest games of all time up until then, was to blame for the shooting, that the gunman in question was trying out a "real-life" version of DOOM on the students. Truth is, the guy was a sociopath, and really, anybody who would do that is clearly insane.

Now I realize I just used kind of a harsh word there, but please let me explain: the word "insane" is an actual legal term meaning that somebody didn't know at the time that what they were doing was wrong, due to mental illness or whatever. Or so I have heard. I myself used to play DOOM a lot, and I turned out fine.

Yep. Doom wasn't even the first 3D shooter game; I remember playing Wolfenstein 3D before Doom came out. And there have been many 3D shooter games released, and most people who play them are just fine, and they don't go around shooting people in real life.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:53 am

I don't know if it's the media per se. Remember the Columbine
shooting, the one that started it all? (Okay, maybe it didn't start it
all, but it

back then it was a rarity; it's not now.

I know what you're saying. It seems like hardly a day goes by without a mass shooting, terrorist attack, or... something else. I see the flags at half-mast so often, I figure they ought to just make the flagpoles shorter. :)

It is quite sad, really, and please excuse the joke. But I think one thing we can all agree upon is that it has to end, somehow.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:03 am

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his comment.. I do understand what you mean.

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 13:37:27

By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:03 am

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his
comment.. I do understand what you mean.

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

He wasn't replying to you, he was replying to someone else about how he wasn't replying to them and was replying to somebody else instead. It is my sincere hope that this reply to a reply about a reply provides sufficient clarification about the related replies.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:03 am

you guys are missing my point. i am saying the media is triggering these already sick people.

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his comment.. I do understand what you mean.

well he didnt get what i meant so if you reply to what he said and say you agree, that kinda follows the chain.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:05 am

Yep. Doom wasn't even the first 3D shooter game; I remember playing Wolfenstein 3D before Doom came out. And there have been many 3D shooter games released, and most people who play them are just fine, and they don't go around shooting people in real life.

the shooters said shooting all those people was like doom, only ones that thought that they were reinacting the game were the user anti violence in game blamers.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: echicken to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 05:06 pm

He wasn't replying to you, he was replying to someone else about how he wasn't replying to them and was replying to somebody else instead. It is my sincere hope that this reply to a reply about a reply provides sufficient clarification about the related replies.

everybody here is so alike, i just imagine i'm replying to the same person each time.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 05:15 pm

well he didnt get what i meant so if you reply to what he said and say you agree, that kinda follows the chain.

If you say so.. I was simply agreeing with his comment, which doesn't necessarily mean I didn't understand what you were saying. Also, a conversation can veer off in another direction..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 01:37 pm

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his
comment.. I do understand what you mean.

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

And my comment above wasn't written to you, it was written to Mro...

Nightfox

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to echicken on Mon Apr 02 2018 05:18 pm

everybody here is so alike, i just imagine i'm replying to the same person each time.

And I can always tell it's you since you never capitalize anything.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 04:15 pm

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

And my comment above wasn't written to you, it was written to Mro...

Look, I am sincerely sorry if I threw a "monkey wrench" into this intelligent, thought-provoking conversation. I guess I really ought to pay more attention to who these messages are being sent to. I guess I got my two cents in, so I will now take my leave of this thread, if that's okay with you guys.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 04:17 pm

Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: MRO to echicken on Mon Apr 02 2018 05:18 pm

everybody here is so alike, i just imagine i'm replying to the same person each time.

And I can always tell it's you since you never capitalize anything.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 05:37 pm

Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Nightfox to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 04:15 pm

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

And my comment above wasn't written to you, it was written to Mro...

Look, I am sincerely sorry if I threw a "monkey wrench" into this intelligent, thought-provoking conversation. I guess I really ought to pay more attention to who these messages are being sent to. I guess I got my two cents in, so I will now take my leave of this thread, if that's okay with you guys.

i dont think we've had either intelligent OR thought provoking conversation here for about 15 years.
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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: echicken to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 17:06:27

Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 13:37:27

By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:03 am

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his
comment.. I do understand what you mean.

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

He wasn't replying to you, he was replying to someone else about how he wasn't replying to them and was replying to somebody else instead. It is my sincere hope that this reply to a reply about a reply provides sufficient clarification about the related replies.

May I reply to that reply in reply to your reply?

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 13:33:20

It is quite sad, really, and please excuse the joke. But I think one thing we can all agree upon is that it has to end, somehow.

Joke? what Joke? thats nothing but truth.

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 13:37:27

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his
comment.. I do understand what you mean.

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)
[0m

I believe he was replying to MRO, not you :)

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Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Geo to echicken on Tue Apr 03 2018 01:09 pm

Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: echicken to Toadster on Mon Apr 02 2018 17:06:27

Re: Re: The Sanctity of Human
By: Toadster to Nightfox on Mon Apr 02 2018 13:37:27

By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 02 2018 11:03 am

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to Rockapella and his
comment.. I do understand what you mean.

You'll have to excuse me; I'm a total noob. :)

He wasn't replying to you, he was replying to someone else about how he wasn't replying to them and was replying to somebody else instead. It is my sincere hope that this reply to a reply about a reply provides sufficient clarification about the related replies.

May I reply to that reply in reply to your reply?

not without everyone's permission.
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