• Flight simulator software

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 16:13:55
    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to like to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in 2006. I'm not sure why Microsoft stopped developing it after so many years, but I've also heard of X-Plane as another fairly good flight simulator. I'm curious what other good flight simulator games/software is out there.

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons and custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Star Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From Rockapella@VERT to NIGHTFOX on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 20:54:00
    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to lik NI>to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no NI>longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in 2006. I' NI>not sure why Microsoft stopped developing it after so many years, but I've a NI>heard of X-Plane as another fairly good flight simulator. I'm curious what NI>other good flight simulator games/software is out there.

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons NI>custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Star NI>Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    It seems like all the good flight-sim software companies went by the
    wayside at least ten years ago. Which is odd because there are still
    companies making the flight-sim yokes and other hardware (some really,
    really expensive hardware) to work with flight sims.

    Personally, I'd like to see Falcon 4.0 resurrected. That was a sim that
    I got into in the late 1990s and was just fantastic.

    Apparently, some of the flight sim games are still operational on modern
    OS's (patches have still been developed for MS Flight Sim and X-Plane,
    though not sure if they were done by the original authors or by
    community contributions).

    What I would really love to see is a modern version of After Burner come
    out and be able to use a joystick and throttle combination for it.
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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Thursday, March 22, 2018 01:41:18
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Mar 21 2018 16:13:55

    Take a look at flightgear. Its opensource, has all kinds of features including multiuser flying with lots of plane models, real airports, etc... I run two flightgear servers, one in japan.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Thursday, March 22, 2018 06:07:57
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Mar 21 2018 16:13:55

    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to lik to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in 2006. I' not sure why Microsoft stopped developing it after so many years, but I've a heard of X-Plane as another fairly good flight simulator. I'm curious what other good flight simulator games/software is out there.

    When I was a kid, I received a 5 CD pack of "flight simulators", one of them was Jet Fighter II. Loved playing playing Jet Fighter II. We were never able to afford Microsoft Flight Simulator, but I was interested in it.

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Star Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    Take a look into Simple Planes (LGR did a review of it on his YouTube channel). It is cross platform and available on Android and PCs. The whole point of Simple Planes is to make your own air crafts and download others, and the tool to maje these airplanes is quite extensive.

    Simple Plans has an acrobatic and dog fight modes as well. Never did the dog fight modes, so I cannot comment on that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rockapella on Thursday, March 22, 2018 09:45:58
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Rockapella to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 21 2018 08:54 pm

    It seems like all the good flight-sim software companies went by the wayside at least ten years ago. Which is odd because there are still companies making the flight-sim yokes and other hardware (some really, really expensive hardware) to work with flight sims.

    Yeah, that is a bit odd..

    Personally, I'd like to see Falcon 4.0 resurrected. That was a sim that
    I got into in the late 1990s and was just fantastic.

    I played Falcon 3.0 back in the day, and I thought it was pretty cool.

    And back further, I used to play Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Simulator when I was a kid. It was funny in that when you crashed, it would show a picture of Chuck Yeager with a quote - One of them said "Nice auger job!"

    Apparently, some of the flight sim games are still operational on modern OS's (patches have still been developed for MS Flight Sim and X-Plane, though not sure if they were done by the original authors or by
    community contributions).

    I had installed Microsoft Flight Simulator X on a more modern Windows several years ago and it still worked. I don't remember having to install any special patches, but I don't remember if that was on Windows 7 or after I upgraded to Windows 10.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Thursday, March 22, 2018 14:30:00
    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons a N>custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Star N>Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    I never used the Flight Simulator stuff, but I used the ORIGINAL
    Microsoft Train Simulator. However, it doesn't run under Windows 7.

    Daryl

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, March 23, 2018 07:13:00
    Nightfox wrote to All <=-

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons and custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it
    too, such as Star Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    There was/is a spaceflight simulator - Orbiter 2010, IIRC. It's the same thing but for spaceflight. Comes with its custom easy to fly spacecraft, as well as the Space SHuttle. This is another simulator that has had custom spacecraft designed for it, including Star Trek ships. :)


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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Daryl Stout on Thursday, March 22, 2018 17:09:41
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Thu Mar 22 2018 02:30 pm

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-on N>custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Sta N>Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    I never used the Flight Simulator stuff, but I used the ORIGINAL
    Microsoft Train Simulator. However, it doesn't run under Windows 7.

    Daryl


    I remember running the Logitech Flight Simulator on the Coco 2 and 3. There were two of them and I thought they were pretty cool. Recently I started thinking of possible flight simulator software on a PC, but realized as interested as I am, it feels like too much of a time commitment that I wouldn't be able to make.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Thursday, March 22, 2018 16:00:33
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Thu Mar 22 2018 02:30 pm

    I never used the Flight Simulator stuff, but I used the ORIGINAL
    Microsoft Train Simulator. However, it doesn't run under Windows 7.

    Train Simulator was something I never used, although it looked interesting. I always did like trains, but for some reason never tried Microsoft's Train Simulator.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Thursday, March 22, 2018 16:02:40
    Re: Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Mar 23 2018 07:13 am

    There was/is a spaceflight simulator - Orbiter 2010, IIRC. It's the same thing but for spaceflight. Comes with its custom easy to fly spacecraft, as well as the Space SHuttle. This is another simulator that has had custom spacecraft designed for it, including Star Trek ships. :)

    Interesting, I haven't seen that.. As far as space travel games, I did play a fair amount of Wing Commander: Privateer back in the day though. I never finished the game, but I enjoyed it. I later found a similar game called X-Tension (which I think was a sequel to an earlier game). That one was fun but seemed slower-paced than Privateer. Maybe it was just more of an open-ended game.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Thursday, March 22, 2018 21:42:06
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Mar 21 2018 04:13 pm

    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to like to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in

    I LOVED flight Sims. Then they made em better and better until you needed a $1200 system to run them. My kid was coming of age so Nintendo got the nod in our house. Do they still have flight sims? If so what "Rocketship PC" does one need to run them? 12 Meg Ram? 5TB drive. What?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, March 22, 2018 21:26:02
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Mar 21 2018 04:13 pm

    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to like to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in 2006. I'm not sure why Microsoft stopped developing it after so many years, but I've also heard of X-Plane as another fairly good flight simulator. I'm curious what other good flight simulator games/software is out there.



    yeah, i liked those games and i liked red baron and i liked the wing commander games. i need to buy a good flight stick one of these days, because i cant play it enjoyably without one.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, March 23, 2018 17:42:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There was/is a spaceflight simulator - Orbiter 2010, IIRC. It's the same thing but for spaceflight. Comes with its custom easy to fly spacecraft, as well as the Space SHuttle. This is another simulator that has had custom spacecraft designed for it, including Star Trek ships. :)

    Interesting, I haven't seen that.. As far as space travel games, I did

    Can't remember how I found it. I did give it a try. The Space Shuttle demo (auto pilot!) is interesting to watch. I never had the time to learn it, but it did look interesting.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Friday, March 23, 2018 14:33:51
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Thu Mar 22 2018 09:42 pm

    I LOVED flight Sims. Then they made em better and better until you needed a $1200 system to run them. My kid was coming of age so Nintendo got the nod in our house. Do they still have flight sims? If so what "Rocketship PC" does one need to run them? 12 Meg Ram? 5TB drive. What?

    Microsoft Flight Simulator seemed to need a fairly decent PC starting with version 5, but I don't think it really needed anything too super. I remember when I first got MS Flight Simulator 5.0 around 1993, and at the time I had a 386SX-16 (the lowest-end 386 available) and Flight Simulator 5 was really
    slow and choppy on that. But I had since ran that and later versions on my later computers as I upgraded and didn't really have much problem with it. It has graphics settings you can adjust for your system, too.

    Nightfox

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Friday, March 23, 2018 19:42:43
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Mar 21 2018 16:13:55

    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to like to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in 2006. I'm not sure why Microsoft stopped developing it after so many years, but I've also heard of X-Plane as another fairly good flight simulator. I'm curious what other good flight simulator games/software is out there.

    I love them, I have'nt been able to use anythin high end, but I lov epluggung my radio I use in the field (Turnigy/Flysky I10) in and using it on any flight sim my computer will run, actually found a web based flight sim once that was pretty cool, and was plugged into google maps so everything was as about as real as it could get, but my computer could'nt keep up. shame I cant remember the name.

    I like to keep my fingers worked on the off season for when spring and summer comes along, lov eflying gliders, just about any type of plane, multirotors, the whole lot of them. I shy away from 3d helicopters because of the sheer danger of the larger ones, but enjoy 3d quads.

    already getting psyched up to get on the field.

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons and custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Star Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    Wish I've had a decent computer to enjoy high end sims.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Friday, March 23, 2018 20:54:00
    Train Simulator was something I never used, although it looked interesting. N>always did like trains, but for some reason never tried Microsoft's Train N>Simulator.

    I liked doing the "Explore The Route" option, and putting it into
    "Silver Streak mode"...putting it into notch 8, and ramming it into the
    dead end bumper. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Thursday, March 29, 2018 04:11:26
    On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:13:55 -0700
    "Nightfox" <nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST> wrote:

    Does anyone here enjoy using flight simulator software/games? I used to like to use Microsoft Flight Simulator quite a bit, and it seems Microsoft is no longer developing it - The last release was Flight Simulator X, in 2006. I'm not sure why Microsoft stopped developing it after so many years, but I've also
    heard of X-Plane as another fairly good flight simulator. I'm curious what other good flight simulator games/software is out there.

    I liked that Microsoft Flight Simulator was extensible with scenery add-ons and
    custom aircrafts. And people made funny aircrafts for it too, such as Star Trek and Star Wars ships, etc..

    I have MS FS98 somewhere around. I do enjoy them myself but I suck at landing. I should get a proper game yoke.

    There's a few free/open source ones. Someone else mentioned Flightgear which is good...maybe too good. I had trouble walking around the plane and doing a pre-flight check. Take a look here and give them a try.

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/best-free-flight-simulators/2/




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  • From Gene Buckle@VERT/RETROARC to Nightfox on Thursday, March 29, 2018 13:14:19
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to Rockapella on Thu Mar 22 2018 09:45 am

    Microsoft created a simulator called Microsoft ESP. This served as the core of what became Flight Sim X. Microsoft later sold the ESP product to Lockheed Martin and discontinued sales of FSX. Lockheed turned ESP into a product called Prepar3D. Prepar3D is up to version 4 now and is 64 bit, includes many bugfixes, and has built-in support for the HTC Vive and the Oculus Rift. Their licensing agreement basically says, "you can't use this for entertainment purposes", which everyone universally ignores. :)

    A few years ago Microsoft sold FSX itself to the same company that bought Train Simulator and that company fixed a few bugs and released it on Steam. (They also started a new flight sim product based on FSX, but I haven't kept up on that.)

    MANY years ago, the source code for Falcon 4 was released after Hasbro bought Microprose and essentially f*cked the entire development team. That lead to the creation of a vaguely underground community of programmers that were hell bent on keeping Falcon 4 alive and updated. Surprisingly, they actually succeeded for the most part. Wikipedia has a far better summary of the timeline than I could write - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_4.0

    I think the current version is known as Falcon BMS and is still under active development. Here's a neat video that shows off some of the goodies in Falcon BMS 4.33: https://youtu.be/QcMOOOulhME

    If you're into /serious/ jet combat (and I mean SERIOUS. Be prepared to study the real flight manual or don't bother.), check out the offerings from Eagle Dynamics and their Digital Combat Simulator line. (https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/)

    They've got some WWII planes as well, and they're just as detailed and painstakingly accurate as the jets. The Bf-109K4 is a thing of beauty. :)

    If WWII is your era of choice, then the IL2: Sturmovik series - Battle of Stalingrad is their newest (I think) and Cliffs of Dover is still being updated.

    You should also check out FlightGear - the flight models and systems modeling is top notch (but varies depending on how much effort the aircraft designer put in). The latest release was a few weeks ago. (http://www.flightgear.org)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gene Buckle on Thursday, March 29, 2018 14:35:21
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Gene Buckle to Nightfox on Thu Mar 29 2018 01:14 pm

    Microsoft created a simulator called Microsoft ESP. This served as the core of what became Flight Sim X. Microsoft later sold the ESP product to Lockheed Martin and discontinued sales of FSX. Lockheed turned ESP into a product called Prepar3D. Prepar3D is up to version 4 now and is 64 bit, includes many bugfixes, and has built-in support for the HTC Vive and the Oculus Rift. Their licensing agreement basically says, "you can't use this for entertainment purposes", which everyone universally ignores. :)

    Interesting.. I didn't know that. If they don't want people using it for entertainment though, I suppose it still isn't quite the same thing as Microsoft Flight Simulator was, and I imagine there isn't a community of people developing aircraft and scenery for it..? Bummer to hear what happened to Microsoft Flight Simulator.

    A few years ago Microsoft sold FSX itself to the same company that bought Train Simulator and that company fixed a few bugs and released it on Steam. (They also started a new flight sim product based on FSX, but I haven't kept up on that.)

    I see.. I might have to check into that. I did see that there is a Flight Simulator X available on Steam, which I figured was basically the original Flight Simulator X repackaged for Steam.

    You should also check out FlightGear - the flight models and systems modeling is top notch (but varies depending on how much effort the aircraft designer put in). The latest release was a few weeks ago. (http://www.flightgear.org)

    Thanks, I might have to look into that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gene Buckle@VERT/RETROARC to Nightfox on Tuesday, April 03, 2018 07:02:26
    Re: Flight simulator software
    By: Nightfox to Gene Buckle on Thu Mar 29 2018 02:35 pm

    Oculus Rift. Their licensing agreement basically says, "you can't use t for entertainment purposes", which everyone universally ignores. :)

    Interesting.. I didn't know that. If they don't want people using it for entertainment though, I suppose it still isn't quite the same thing as Microsoft Flight Simulator was, and I imagine there isn't a community of peo developing aircraft and scenery for it..? Bummer to hear what happened to Microsoft Flight Simulator.

    I suspect the restriction is because Microsoft was still selling FSX at the time of the sale of ESP to Lockheed and MS didn't want the Prepar3D product to eat into sales of FSX.

    Most of the FSX addons still work with Prepar3D and there's a ton of aircraft available. All the commercial FSX aircraft & scenery vendors have Prepar3D versions of their products now.

    Prepar3D also added submersibles to the mix.

    g.

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