Hello Dove Net Users Just posting a short message with NewComm Terminal on my GEOS NewDeal Office on my 486 PC. The Emulation is only TTY no colour ansi if anyone is going to try out new deal you can BBS with ok I will see if I can use irc chat in tty mode soon.
Re: GEOS NDO
By: David B to All on Fri Mar 16 2018 01:40 pm
I've heard of GEOS but I've never really used it.. It always seemed NI>interesting that there was an alternative to MS Windows. I always thought i NI>would have been interesting if GEOS had gained more market share.
least for 15-year-old me. At the time, AOL charged both for a monthly subscription and a per-minute fee on top of that. Needless to say, our
AOL account was very short lived. Meanwhile I got involved in the local
BBS scene and the rest is history. :)
Re: GEOS NDO
By: David B to All on Fri Mar 16 2018 01:40 pm
Hello Dove Net Users Just posting a short message with NewComm Terminal my GEOS NewDeal Office on my 486 PC. The Emulation is only TTY no colou ansi if anyone is going to try out new deal you can BBS with ok I will if I can use irc chat in tty mode soon.
I've heard of GEOS but I've never really used it.. It always seemed interesting that there was an alternative to MS Windows. I always thought i would have been interesting if GEOS had gained more market share.
Nightfox
Geos for PC is ok there is geos or old Apple II computers as well
and you can download tandys deskmade to run on a vga computer
as well and use the telecom terminal only vt52 mode
and there is the PC-LINK for tandy as well. but
its only tty terminal screen you can use to loginto
a bbs.
Geos for PC is ok there is geos or old Apple II computers as well
Geos for PC is ok there is geos or old Apple II computers as well
I've been trying to get GeoWorks to run in a VM; I ran it for a year or two at home on a 386SX/16 that wasn't quite up to Windows. It was a lot of fun, and with Quattro Pro was pretty useful as I was doing a lot of spreadsheet work at the time.
I heard about GeoWorks, but only after I had started using Windows. I thought it was interesting that there were other GUI environments out there, and sometimes I wondered why some of them failed to gain marketshare when something like Windows had succeeded. It seemed like the computer market drives out competition a lot faster than something like, for instance, the car market.
Well, I liked GeoWorks because I was starting out with UNIX and was running UNIXWare at my office. It uses Motif, just like GeoWorks. This was back when Microsoft futzed with Windows to make it not run under DR-DOS, If I recall there were un-documented tricks with DOS that broke GEOWorks, because if I recall it worked fine under DR-DOS.
Your anti-establishment environment back then was DR-DOS, GeoWorks, and Borland Quattro Pro, a Lotus 1-2-3 lookalike that came bundled with some versions of GeoWorks.
systems, but I wasn't sure at the time what the difference was between DR-DOS and MS-DOS.
On 08-28-18 20:42, Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
DR-DOS had some nice features included like when you pressed TAB it completed the filename or command. DR-DOS came also know for
doublespace and stacker on the other DOS (compression tools for hdd).
You had also IBM/PC-DOS and others.
Most DOS variants were derived from CP/M :) Yeah that one that ran on
the C128 :) But in that time CPM lost and everyone choose MS/PC-DOS.
I liked the command.com replacement 4DOS... nice directory
enhancements.
DR-DOS had some nice features included like when you pressed TAB it completed the filename or command.
DR-DOS came also know for doublespace
and stacker on the other DOS (compression tools for hdd).
I liked the command.com replacement 4DOS... nice directory enhancements.
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Tue Aug 28 2018 08:42 pm
DR-DOS had some nice features included like when you pressed TAB it completed the filename or command.
Tab completion is nice (Linux command shells typically have that).
After I got my first computer (which was running MS-DOS), I got ahold of a copy of DR-DOS (6.0 I believe?) and played with it a bit.. I thought it was interesting that there were other companies making competing DOS operating systems, but I wasn't sure at the time what the difference was between DR-DOS and MS-DOS.
To the original point, Ray Noorda and Novell bought DR-DOS way after DOS was no longer a tool, but at that point the war was lost.
Tab completion is nice (Linux command shells typically have that).
Microsoft's DOSKEY had that.
My cosysop at the time worked for Addstor, back in the day disk compression software was all the rage. His company provided a disk compression suite with DR-DOS before Microsoft came up with Doublespace.
I forget now who they cribbed it from - Addstor or Stac, but they were sued by it.
Ray Noorda was the head of Novell, and he hated Bill Gates with a passion. Novell let a lead in the server market slip to Microsoft, back when they owned the server space. Novell got cocky with per-user licensing, and given the choice between the market leader and expensive licenses, or something that mostly worked for a fraction of the price, people chose the latter -- NT 3.51/4.0.
Microsoft used that wedge and owning the desktops to kill Netware Directory Services, a much more mature DS than Active Directory was at that time.
On 08-29-18 12:38, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 29 2018 10:23 am
Tab completion is nice (Linux command shells typically have that).
Microsoft's DOSKEY had that.
I had forgotten about DOSKEY.. I remember using that long ago.
I liked the command.com replacement 4DOS... nice directory enhancements.4DOS was awesome, I used that on the BBS.
DR-DOS came also know for doublespaceI'm not sure what you mean by this. It was MS-DOS that came with DoubleSpace, and Stacker worked on MS-DOS and others too.
and stacker on the other DOS (compression tools for hdd).
Microsoft's DOSKEY had that.
On 08-30-18 11:46, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Wed Aug 29 2018 21:18:00
I liked the command.com replacement 4DOS... nice directory enhancements.4DOS was awesome, I used that on the BBS.
Yeah it was indeed nice for that... I remember the command tree.com amazing tool... good old memories.
I bought Novell DOS (still have it?) at the time under the marketing-hype that it would multi-task DOS apps. It didn't. :-(
All sorts of clever tools were available for DOS. :) But I mostly have no need now, you'll never see a "4Linux", since the standard shells have even more powerful scripting capabilities. These days, I use BASH scripting very heavily. :)
Quoting Digital Man to Poindexter Fortran at 08-29-18 12:11 <=-
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Aug 29 2018 10:02 am
To the original point, Ray Noorda and Novell bought DR-DOS way after DOS was no longer a tool, but at that point the war was lost.
I bought Novell DOS (still have it?) at the time under the
marketing-hype that it would multi-task DOS apps. It didn't. :-(
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31 2018 08:23 am
All sorts of clever tools were available for DOS. :) But I mostly have no need now, you'll never see a "4Linux", since the standard shells have even more powerful scripting capabilities. These days, I use BASH scripting very heavily. :)
I heard DOS was originally a sort of sripped-down and simplified UNIX. So it's no surprise that that there are things like 4DOS for DOS but *nix doesn't need that kind of thing.
Quoting Digital Man to Poindexter Fortran at 08-29-18 12:11 <=-
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Aug 29 2018 10:02 am
To the original point, Ray Noorda and Novell bought DR-DOS way after DOS was no longer a tool, but at that point the war was lost.
I bought Novell DOS (still have it?) at the time under the marketing-hype that it would multi-task DOS apps. It didn't. :-(
The multitasking of DR-DOS and Novell-DOS was poor, very limited.
But DesqView was great.
I heard DOS was originally a sort of sripped-down and simplified UNIX.
So it's no surprise that that there are things like 4DOS for DOS but
*nix doesn't need that kind of thing.
MS/PC-DOS started life as CP/M for 8086. The more *nix-like stuff (e.g. directories) has been added over time and subsequent versions. If DOS was originally a stripped-down/simplified UNIX, it probably would have been a lot better for all of us.
I ran several nodes under DESQview and I never really though it was "great" because it would crash fairly regularly even with all the qemm/config.sys tweaks I could muster. Novell-DOS was originally promised to multi-task DOS apps and thus make DESQview unnecessary for that purpose - but it didn't.
Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
MS/PC-DOS started life as CP/M for 8086. The more *nix-like stuff (e.g. directories) has been added over time and subsequent versions. If DOS
was originally a stripped-down/simplified UNIX, it probably would have been a lot better for all of us.
On 08-31-18 21:11, Chai wrote to Digital Man <=-
I never heard of CP/M before now, as it was slightly before my time. I just ran it in my browser on pcjs.org. It feels a lot like DOS, so I'm not surprised that's where it came from.
--- MultiMail/Win v0.51
I remember they had a promise of a network-aware dos, with a network game and resource sharing.
But DesqView was great.
I ran several nodes under DESQview and I never really though it was "great" because it would crash fairly regularly even with all the qemm/config.sys tweaks I could muster. Novell-DOS was originally promised to multi-task DOS apps and thus make DESQview unnecessary for that purpose - but it didn't.
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Re: Re: GEOS ND
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31 2018 08:23 a
I heard DOS was originally a sort of sripped-down and simplified UNIX. So
no surprise that that there are things like 4DOS for DOS but *nix doesn't that kind of thing
on 09-01-18 13:28, Hawkeye wrote to Mauro Veiga <=-
But DesqView was great.
DV was great till OS/2 came.
the water. OS/2 was just awesome. :)
But DesqView was great.Yep, DV did work really well (though things got hairy when you tried to use networking). I loved DV back in the day, but OS/2 *with VMODEM* really did blow it out of the water. OS/2 was just awesome. :)
DV was great till OS/2 came.
On 09-02-18 12:15, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I miss the customer support of that era from IBM. You had a proper qualified technican on the phone. No script know-nothing phone
answering dude/woman. Once I was amazed by having issues with my 16550 UART and the guy said. Are you in for some experiment? I said of
course. Wait a second I compile a new version for you and you try that.
He WAITED all the time on the phone while downloading the custom made
file and I tried it. It worked.... he said.... THANK YOU for participating. They gave me 1 year free IBMnet access... now the
telephone support is aweful, I mean in general.
On 09-02-18 13:20, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
Honestly, I would have stuck with DV had it not been for VMODEM. Otherwise, to me, OS/2 was not much more special than Windows was...
and it was not special at all. :)
Netwoprking was the death knell of DOS/DV for me.
Quoting Hawkeye to Mauro Veiga at 09-01-18 13:28 <=-
Re: GEOS NDO
By: Mauro Veiga to DIGITAL MAN on Fri Aug 31 2018 11:47:00
But DesqView was great.
DV was great till OS/2 came.
I heard DOS was originally a sort of sripped-down and simplified UNIX.
So no surprise that that there are things like 4DOS for DOS but *nix
doesn't that kind of thing
It came from QDOS, a CP/M clone... that Microsoft bought after it sold it to IBM. (:
DV was great till OS/2 came.
I agree.
Desqview was innovative in its time but OS / 2 was much better.
On 09-03-18 08:58, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
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Netwoprking was the death knell of DOS/DV for me.
A actually forgot about that bit. Yes, it was a pain. I had to turn
DV off in order to fire up my internet browser (Arachne). It may have been able to run under DV, but the dial-up networking piece that came
with it would not.
Honestly, I would have stuck with DV had it not been for VMODEM. Otherwise, to me, OS/2 was not much more special than Windows was... and it was not special at all. :)
You could sometimes fire something up within DV, and there was a shim that was supposed to help, but if you fired up a second app to use the network, you killed the system. :)
Honestly, I would have stuck with DV had it not been for VMODEM.
Otherwise, to me, OS/2 was not much more special than Windows was...
and it was not special at all. :)
Weird. I remember with the same hardware I could manage to run more lines on 14k4+ on OS/2 than on DV. It was more stable and capable of more lines.
Honestly, I would have stuck with DV had it not been for VMODEM. Otherwise,
to me, OS/2 was not much more special than Windows was... and it was not special at all. :)
Weird. I remember with the same hardware I could manage to run more lines on 14k4+ on OS/2 than on DV. It was more stable and capable of more lines.
I only had one dial-up line to play with so DV was fine. It was when I needed/wanted to add telnet nodes that I needed vmodem and, to use that, I needed OS/2.
It did crash less than windows, a lot less but, unlike the claims of many OS/2 users you could crash it and/or lock the system solid where an on/off switch reboot was the only solution.
On 09-03-18 18:52, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I guess DOS software generally assumed a single-tasking environment,
and probably not all accounted for multi-tasking software such as
DesqView (or even Windows, when Windows came out)..
On 09-03-18 15:06, Nightfox wrote to the doctor <=-
Yes, I've heard DOS has roots in CP/M. The "stripped-down and
simplified UNIX" was not literal.. :)
On 09-03-18 15:14, Nightfox wrote to Mauro Veiga <=-
I agree that OS/2 was a great OS. I would have liked to see it become more popular.
I never heard of CP/M before now, as it was slightly before my time. I just ran it in my browser on pcjs.org. It feels a lot like DOS, so I'm not surprised that's where it came from.
I can believe that, although it seems counter-intuitive. I'd think OS/2, with its GUI etc., would have more overhead than DesqView running in DOS. Though, I believe there was a way to boot OS/2 without starting its GUI, wasn't there? And without its GUI, could you still open multiple command prompts and multi-task with OS/2?
It did crash less than windows, a lot less but, unlike the claims of many OS/2 users you could crash it and/or lock the system solid where an on/off switch reboot was the only solution.
I agree that OS/2 was a great OS. I would have liked to see it become more popular.Me too, I loved OS/2 when I ran it.
MS/PC-DOS started life as CP/M for 8086. The more *nix-like stuff (e.g. directories) has been added over time and subsequent versions. If DOS was originally a stripped-down/simplified UNIX, it probably would have been a lot better for all of us.
Interesting.. I didn't use DESQview much, but back in the 90s, I eventually got my BBS set up for 2 nodes, even though I only had 1 phone line, because I wanted to see how multi-node BBSes actually worked. I got it running in DESQview and was able to log in locally on the 2nd node while node 1 accepted dialup users. I don't remember having many issues with DESQview, but I didn't use DESQview a whole lot either.
Correct, if I remember well this product ended in Lantastic. DOS with network. Worked fine with my BBS but went to Novell Netware after this.
The best part was that my company was tossing it out, manuals, floppies, network cards, cables and all when they migrated to Netware. Got it for free.
On 09-05-18 18:55, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Sep 05 2018 08:52:00
I agree that OS/2 was a great OS. I would have liked to see it become more popular.Me too, I loved OS/2 when I ran it.
Me too but I had to leave it when more and more customers were asking
for Windows 95 applications as they became more popular. Windows 3.1
ran better on OS/2 than on Windows 3.1 itself...
Me too but I had to leave it when more and more customers were asking for Windows 95 applications as they became more popular. Windows 3.1 ran better on OS/2 than on Windows 3.1 itself...
Same here :) Also why I got Netware. Migrated to new version and I could use the old one. lol
Me too but I had to leave it when more and more customers were
asking for Windows 95 applications as they became more popular.
Windows 3.1 ran better on OS/2 than on Windows 3.1 itself...
A better DOS than DOS, a better Windows than Windows...
I spent the first part of the 90s tweaking my device drivers, TSRs and QEMM in order to get enough memory to run 2 BBS nodes, and then spent the second part tweaking OS/2 config.sys files and creating VDMs for DOS BBS utilities.
and WinFOSSIL was able to run the whole thing relatively easily.
A better DOS than DOS, a better Windows than Windows...
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Chai to Digital Man on Fri Aug 31 2018 09:11 pm
I never heard of CP/M before now, as it was slightly before my time. I just ran it in my browser on pcjs.org. It feels a lot like DOS, so I'm not surprised that's where it came from.
I'd never seen this pcjs.org site...that's pretty neat stuff. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tim Wray, Sysop
Backwood Realm BBS
Bedford, Indiana
bwrbbs.ddns.net
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Really, DeskMate for the VGA computer? Where cam I find it? What is the curr licensing status of DeskMate.I have Deskmate versions 1, 3.0, 3.02, 3.03, 3.05, & 3.69 (3.69 being the final version released).
DeskMate was my first exposure to the IBM-compatible/clones PCs. My parents bought a Tandy 386 computer, and DeskMate was on it, along with MS-DOS 5 wit DOSShell.
Howdy! Tim,
þ Synchronet þ The Backwood Realm BBS - bwrbbs.ddns.net - SouthernWhen I first saw Your message saying "Southern Indiana", I didn't notice You were in Bedford and started wondering if Your BBS was Local to me,
Indiana, USA
in one of the Indiana River Towns:
New Albany - Jeffersonville - Evansville - etc.
And with this login i have setup on a old pentium 166 microsoft worlks
for workgroups windows 3.11 old windows 3.11 and telix for windows
v1.15d.
terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and Telix, though I
On 09-17-18 17:15, Nightfox wrote to David B <=-
I never did use BBS terminal software for Windows much, as I did most
of my BBSing in DOS. For the real nostalgia effect, I'd prefer to use
a DOS terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and
Telix, though I also used Procomm Plus for a little while.
terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and Telix,
though I
those were my favorites too... especially the feature to logon with your credentials. for some strange reason syncterm doesnt do this. its a feature but it doesnt work on my mac and on windows pcs... Alt-L....
On 09-18-18 19:22, Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Nightfox to David B on Mon Sep 17 2018 17:15:54
terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and Telix, though I
those were my favorites too... especially the feature to logon with
your credentials. for some strange reason syncterm doesnt do this. its
a feature but it doesnt work on my mac and on windows pcs... Alt-L....
Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
those were my favorites too... especially the feature to logon with
your credentials. for some strange reason syncterm doesnt do this. its
a feature but it doesnt work on my mac and on windows pcs... Alt-L....
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Nightfox to David B on Mon Sep 17 2018 17:15:54
terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and Telix, though I
those were my favorites too... especially the feature to logon with your credentials. for some strange reason syncterm doesnt do this. its a feature but it doesnt work on my mac and on windows pcs... Alt-L....
On 09-18-18 23:07, Digital Man wrote to Hawkeye <=-
SyncTERM's Alt-L works fine for me (on Windows and Linux at least, I haven't tried on Mac).
I never did use BBS terminal software for Windows much, as I did most of my BBSing in DOS. For the real nostalgia effect, I'd prefer to use a DOS terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and Telix, though I also used Procomm Plus for a little while.
VK3JED wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
I never did use BBS terminal software for Windows much, as I did most
of my BBSing in DOS. For the real nostalgia effect, I'd prefer to use
a DOS terminal program. My favorites (for DOS) were Telemate and
Telix, though I also used Procomm Plus for a little while.
Yeah, Telix is an old favourite. :) And I also did my BBSing under DOS
or S/2.
By "logon with your credentials", are you referring to rlogin? I use
SyncTERM's Alt-L works fine for me (on Windows and Linux at least, I haven't tried on Mac).
It doesn't work for me either when using Telnet. I have not tried using
it with RLogin, as Nightfox suggested.
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Tue Sep 18 2018 16:50:57
By "logon with your credentials", are you referring to rlogin? I use
I will test this later on. Maybe I'm using telnet and this feature only works with rlogin?
By "logon with your credentials", are you referring to rlogin? I use
I will test this later on. Maybe I'm using telnet and this feature only works with rlogin?
Hawkeye wrote to Chai <=-
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Chai to Hawkeye on Tue Sep 18 2018 22:32:00
It doesn't work for me either when using Telnet. I have not tried using
it with RLogin, as Nightfox suggested.
I had rlogin and changed it to telnet and its working for me. Alt-L
gives me username, password and system password!
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Telix for fun, Procomm Plus for work. I was a telecom manager back
then, and Procomm Plus did a proper VT220 emulation which my systems needed.
On 09-19-18 09:54, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to VK3JED <=-
I still do my BBSing under OS/2 :)
That did it. I guess it does work.
Hawkeye wrote to Chai <=-
2 more happy :)
Cheers
VK3JED wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-
I still do my BBSing under OS/2 :)
Nice. :) I'd like to run OS/2, not sure if I'll ever run on bare metal again, but on a big enough machine, a VM works well.
On 09-21-18 07:41, ROBERT WOLFE wrote to VK3JED <=-
Nice. :) I'd like to run OS/2, not sure if I'll ever run on bare metal again, but on a big enough machine, a VM works well.
VMs are cool, though I've often found them a bit "heavy" on resources.
On 09-22-18 15:42, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
VMs are cool, though I've often found them a bit "heavy" on resources.
I find VMs very efficient on resources. I'm using VMWare and HyperV and both are efficient with sharing resources (CPU, RAM and NIC) very
nicely.
On 1 machine I'm running Windows Server 2016, 3x Linux and 1x Windows
10 and running nice. Before I had to have 4 baremetal machines running
now 1. Its an i7 4790k (4 core/8 threads) with 24 GB of memory doing
fine.
I find VMs very efficient on resources. I'm using VMWare and HyperV and both are efficient with sharing resources (CPU, RAM and NIC) very nicely.I've found VMs good for servers. Harder to tweak right on machines used as workstations (getting RAM usage is particularly tricky there, I tend to be a RAM heavy user ;) ), and sometimes CPU sharing may not be ideal for interactivity.
On 1 machine I'm running Windows Server 2016, 3x Linux and 1x Windows 10 and running nice. Before I had to have 4 baremetal machines running now 1. Its an i7 4790k (4 core/8 threads) with 24 GB of memory doing fine.The other problem I've had with VM servers is an economic one of ongoing running costs. I've switched to running Pi based servers for my needs, run 2 BBSs on one Pi. 2.5W/BBS or less. At 25ish c/kWh, running costs are a real issue here.
On 09-23-18 17:28, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True, my daily driver is only running Windows 10 Pro with 64 GB.
The other problem I've had with VM servers is an economic one of ongoing running costs. I've switched to running Pi based servers for my needs, run 2 BBSs on one Pi. 2.5W/BBS or less. At 25ish c/kWh, running costs are a real issue here.
I can imagine. I tried Pis but they couldnt serve my needs, too slow
CPU power for me. Also one time had a SD card crash so not for me. If I didnt had those CPU/network speed hungry wishes I would maybe run on
Pi.
My NAS is power consuming but I hate waiting and data loss. Before I
had a HP Proliant ML150 but now I have an own built. That HP was very inefficient with electricity.
the Banana Pi has better network I/O than the R-Pi series. I should do some
I hate waiting too, but I'm most sensitive to interactive waiting, which is
On 09-24-18 10:57, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Problem is I use Plex for transcoding videos to lots of different
devices. I like Plex because I can manage video on one place and play
it on many platforms. Downside is CPU/GPU power needed. Pi is much too slow for what we in home do. Also the LAN port as you said is too slow.
I have now 2x 1 Gbit in the server. 1 for downloading/uploading (400/40
mb connection) and local stuff and 2 my VMs which is more than enough balanced.
I can imagine. I tried Pis but they couldnt serve my needs, too slow
CPU power for me. Also one time had a SD card crash so not for me. If I didnt had those CPU/network speed hungry wishes I would maybe run on
Pi.
On 09-24-18 10:57, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Problem is I use Plex for transcoding videos to lots of different devices. I like Plex because I can manage video on one place and play it on many platforms. Downside is CPU/GPU power needed. Pi is much too slow for what we in home do. Also the LAN port as you said is too slow. I have now 2x 1 Gbit in the server. 1 for downloading/uploading (400/40 mb connection) and local stuff and 2 my VMs which is more than enough balanced.
Yeah, haven't got into Plex here, the thing that puts me off is the sheer amount of storage required for the thousands of titles we have. Not to mention the countless hours with Handbrake or similar to turn many of them into media files. :)
On 09-25-18 23:02, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I haven't had to do any of that. But then again, I'm not ripping my own discs either. I do have a number of terabytes of media stored/available now however.
VMs are cool, though I've often found them a bit "heavy" on resources.
On 1 machine I'm running Windows Server 2016, 3x Linux and 1x Windows 10 and running nice. Before I had to have 4 baremetal machines running now 1. Its an i7 4790k (4 core/8 threads) with 24 GB of memory doing fine.
Yeah, haven't got into Plex here, the thing that puts me off is the
sheer amount of storage required for the thousands of titles we have.
Not to mention the countless hours with Handbrake or similar to turn
many of them into media files. :)
I haven't had to do any of that. But then again, I'm not ripping my own discs either. I do have a number of terabytes of media stored/available now however.
I ran my BBS on a single-core Pentium with 4 GB of RAM for 3 years - all depends on how small your needs are. I was running MicroXP, a chopped down version of XP that ran in 512 MB of RAM. I fit the BBS, Winamp and Shoutcast in there and it survived somehow...
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Digital Man to Vk3jed on Tue Sep 25 2018 11:02 pm
Yeah, haven't got into Plex here, the thing that puts me off is the
sheer amount of storage required for the thousands of titles we have.
Not to mention the countless hours with Handbrake or similar to turn
many of them into media files. :)
I haven't had to do any of that. But then again, I'm not ripping my own discs either. I do have a number of terabytes of media stored/available now however.
I installed a Plex server so I could rip my own movies & such and put them on the Plex server to watch on our TVs. I had also ripped all of my music CDs already, so I put my music on my Plex server too. I thought that was the main use case for Plex.. though I also like that Plex lets you add 'channels' and stream content from online to your TVs and other devices.
Perhaps. For me, all our TV shows are encoded/saved (from OTA antenna) using an HomeRun box (which integrates very nicely with Plex). Our movies are generally downloaded (not ripped). And then there's all the home movies and photographs which are just copied directly from SD cards. I don't rip anything, generally.
On 09-26-18 08:40, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to ROBERT WOLFE on Sat Sep 22 2018 10:56 am
VMs are cool, though I've often found them a bit "heavy" on resources.
I ran my BBS on a single-core Pentium with 4 GB of RAM for 3 years -
all depends on how small your needs are. I was running MicroXP, a
chopped down version of XP that ran in 512 MB of RAM. I fit the BBS, Winamp and Shoutcast in there and it survived somehow...
I haven't had to do any of that. But then again, I'm not ripping my own discs either. I do have a number of terabytes of media stored/available now however.
Got a mixture of media files (which can be used as is) and DVDs.
Yeah, haven't got into Plex here, the thing that puts me off is the sheer amount of storage required for the thousands of titles we have. Not to mention the countless hours with Handbrake or similar to turn many of them into media files. :)
I have to agree with VK, they are good for running a BBS. I removed the xserver from mine. The memory problems are not noticable if you are only using the command line.
I haven't had to do any of that. But then again, I'm not ripping my own discs either. I do have a number of terabytes of media stored/available now however.
i just threw out my dvds after ripping them or downloading replacements. they were taking up valuable space.
same thing with music cds.
I have everything in AVI, MKVs (264/265), MP3, FLAC or WAV.
The advantage is, no matter where I am which device, I can play this. Stereo on my simple tablet, DTS 5.1 on my beamer. No matter the device or bandwith, you can set it correctly. While Kodi is only directplay. I love the transcoding and platform independant operation.
I only ripped the DVDs which I could not find on internet. In NL its legal to download media as long you dont upload it.
(it isnt legal to rip protected DVDs but he... I want to use them and I only have 1 external DVD for ripping and my iMac has a DVD writer, all my new PC's dont have a dvd reader/writer at all)
don't really worry about that much, but just in case someone asks, I can show them I have a legally-purchased copy of the music. Otherwise, I could
On 09-26-18 17:33, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just threw out my dvds after ripping them or downloading
replacements. they were taking up valuable space.
same thing with music cds.
On 09-26-18 18:41, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have indeed a lot of storage... at the moment 50 TB in use and 1.1 TB free.
I have everything in AVI, MKVs (264/265), MP3, FLAC or WAV.
The advantage is, no matter where I am which device, I can play this. Stereo on my simple tablet, DTS 5.1 on my beamer. No matter the device
or bandwith, you can set it correctly. While Kodi is only directplay. I love the transcoding and platform independant operation.
On 09-26-18 18:52, Hawkeye wrote to Digital Man <=-
(it isnt legal to rip protected DVDs but he... I want to use them and I only have 1 external DVD for ripping and my iMac has a DVD writer, all
my new PC's dont have a dvd reader/writer at all)
On 09-26-18 16:54, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I'm not sure I'd want to throw out the media that I've legally
purchased. I don't really worry about that much, but just in case
someone asks, I can show them I have a legally-purchased copy of the music. Otherwise, I could just download it all from the internet and
not buy a copy at all. But since I've ripped all my music, I currently have my music CDs stored in a couple boxes in a closet. Most of my
movies are on a shelf though. I have a relatively modest collection,
so I don't think they're taking up a whole lot of space.
Also, for movies, sometimes I like watching the extra features they
often have on the disc, which I don't typically rip. And sometimes I
like having a CD cover or something to look through to go along with a
CD etc..
On 09-26-18 17:00, Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Hawkeye to Vk3jed on Wed Sep 26 2018 06:41 pm
I have everything in AVI, MKVs (264/265), MP3, FLAC or WAV.
If you're storing in FLAC format, you might as well convert all your
WAVs to FLAC to save space. FLAC is lossless, so you aren't losing anything by converting from WAV to FLAC.
Yeah, I use Plex for that kind of thing in my house, mainly for videos.
I like that I can also watch my media when I'm away from home using
Plex.
VMs are cool, though I've often found them a bit "heavy" on resources.I ran my BBS on a single-core Pentium with 4 GB of RAM for 3 years - all
Nice. I'm going to have to clean out my storage space, as we have a rodent problem. I'm going to sheetrock the whole thing in and seal any holes we have where they got in, think I'll splurge while doing it and run some CAT6 before I put the rock up and build a wallmount rack. Finally replace my laptop server with something a little more substantial.
Perhaps. For me, all our TV shows are encoded/saved (from OTA antenna) using an HomeRun box (which integrates very nicely with Plex). Our movies are generally downloaded (not ripped). And then there's all the home movies and photographs which are just copied directly from SD cards. I don't rip anything, generally.
I've heard it's illegal to rip protected movies in the US too, but like you've said, I want to be able to watch my movies with Plex if I want. If I legally purchased the movie, I don't see why there should be a problem with that.
I still like to have an optical drive in my PC so I can read/write those kinds of discs if I want to. I built a PC for my wife last year and put an optical drive in her PC too, since she has CDs and DVD-Rs she would probably want to be able to read, and she has used the optical drive.
I've even considered buying a 4K blu-ray drive for my PC so I can rip 4K movies to my PC for Plex if I wanted to.. As long as they still sell things on optical discs, I'll want to have an optical drive in my PC.
i just threw out my dvds after ripping them or downloading replacements. they were taking up valuable space.
same thing with music cds.
Haven't got the time to rip them all (there's a LOT). :)
I have indeed a lot of storage... at the moment 50 TB in use and 1.1 TB free.
I suspect I'd need at least that, well outside my price range to buy and also $$$$ to run. :(
In Australia, it's legal to rip DVDs that you own to play them on your other
Some of the interviews or "making of" features can be interesting. And agree, we generally wouldn't rip those either.
If you're storing in FLAC format, you might as well convert all your WAVs to FLAC to save space. FLAC is lossless, so you aren't losing anything by converting from WAV to FLAC.
Yeah you'll fit twice as many files in lossless goodness by using FLAC. :)
Yeah, I use Plex for that kind of thing in my house, mainly for videos.I'm less inclined to do that, mobile data adds a lot, but certainly streaming over wifi has its attractions.
I like that I can also watch my media when I'm away from home using Plex.
Also, for movies, sometimes I like watching the extra features they
often have on the disc, which I don't typically rip. And sometimes
I like having a CD cover or something to look through to go along
with a CD etc..
Some of the interviews or "making of" features can be interesting. And agree, we generally wouldn't rip those either.
Yeah, I use Plex for that kind of thing in my house, mainly for
videos. I like that I can also watch my media when I'm away from
home using Plex.
I'm less inclined to do that, mobile data adds a lot, but certainly streaming over wifi has its attractions.
I said goodbye to optical medium a long time ago. I bought a lot of CD and DVDs and after a while I had problems with playing them. Broken is broken.
On 09-27-18 14:28, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just threw out my dvds after ripping them or downloading replacements. they were taking up valuable space.
same thing with music cds.
I did with most of the cd/dvds also only some collectors boxes are in
my Mancave for display only.
Haven't got the time to rip them all (there's a LOT). :)
True and in my case not necessary as fullhd versions of most DVD came
out.
On 09-27-18 14:50, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think I started with a 320 GB external hdd many years ago. Now I
would like to have an extra 10 TB but with my current setup I have to exchange a lot of hdds in RAID5 for achieving extra 10 TB free space.
Too expensive indeed. I have 2x 5 TB and 2x 4 TB on the list to replace this year/begin next year. 8TB is atm sweet spot but I want more which
is too expensive now. So waiting what to do. 1 TB free space so I can handle the changes.
On 09-27-18 14:52, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Thu Sep 27 2018 14:36:00
In Australia, it's legal to rip DVDs that you own to play them on your other
Here is legal to copy it or archive it for your own but breaking/surpassing a protection layer isnt legal. So I would be able
to RIP DRM free DVDs, but those are very rare.
On 09-27-18 14:58, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We us this a lot. We havvve 400/40 cable connection and my wife has 12
GB of monthly 4G data and I have 40 GB... its a special deal here.
Double your monthly data for free. BTW we never use that amount of data per month, so that is handy, we can view a lot if we want. Plex is set
to do 8 Mbit for internet connections. Kinda netflix also does. 720 and 1080p on 8mbit is not bad to watch. We have a lot of chromecast devices with families and friends. Works nice.
On 09-27-18 13:11, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I wouldn't mind having some kind of media server that would play disc images that would behave just like playing the actual disc, where it
would show you the menu and you could choose the movie or one of the special features. Plex doesn't do that, and I'm not sure if there's
any media server that does something like that. I don't often re-watch movies, but I wouldn't mind being able to load and watch some of the special features easily with something like Plex.
I wouldn't mind having some kind of media server that would play
disc images that would behave just like playing the actual disc,
where it would show you the menu and you could choose the movie or
one of the special features. Plex doesn't do that, and I'm not sure
That would be an interesting option, it would have to be able to handle the copy protection, or you'd have to copy the discs without the copy protection (there we go into those murky waters again). :) Back in the XP days, there was the DVD43 driver, which was capable of transparently decrypting DVDs, so you could play DVDs from anywhere locally, or you could directly rip them.
Yes, I have a couple, like the BBS documentary is one that has no copy protection, according to the website (never tried, and no need to because I believe it's available in downloadable format for free anyway). And
depends what you call "breaking", like there's always the "analogue hole", which is perfectly fine for DVDs, and is strictly speaking not breaking the copy protection - it's playing the DVD as intended (of course, if it has Macrovision style protection, then yes there's copy protection - oh oops, I didn't realise the video stabiliser I had for the VCR nukes that scheme too ;) ).
maintain access to the content that you've already paid for. Yes, I've had several commercially produced DVDs, lightly used, not scratched and well looked after go bad on me. While the letter of the law may say one thing,
On 09-26-18 17:33, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just threw out my dvds after ripping them or downloading replacements. they were taking up valuable space.
same thing with music cds.
Haven't got the time to rip them all (there's a LOT). :)
That's still a "gas guzzler" of a system for operating conditions here. :)
In Australia, it's legal to rip DVDs that you own to play them on your other devices (known as "format conversion") or to make a backup copy for archival storage, but it's illegal to upload or download copyrighted media, or othersise distribute copies (without permission/distribution rights, of course).
Don't forget an UPS :) Laptop has this builtin ;)
On 09-28-18 13:43, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Sep 27 2018 07:40 am
That's still a "gas guzzler" of a system for operating conditions here. :)
The system that Would Not Quit (until it did) was a HP Pavilion system handed down from my father when he complained it was too slow. 1.1 ghz, 512 MB RAM, Intel i810 motherboard - typical for 2002 or so.
On 09-28-18 13:47, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's legal in the US, too -- covered under "Fair Use". Where it get sideways is when the trademark holders encrypt the contents, then exercising your fair use rights gets you in trouble with the DMCA. Not well thought out, that. Or, Well Played, Media Conglomerates!
Plex doesn't do that, and I'm not sure if there's any media server that does
I'm less inclined to do that, mobile data adds a lot, but certainly streaming over wifi has its attractions.Well yeah, it's more ideal if you have a wifi connection.
I haven't had a problem reading any of my old CDs or DVDs. I still have a few of the first CDs I got in 1992, and I ripped them all to my PC in 2008 or so (I still buy music on CD sometimes, and I rip them to my PC when I buy them).
I have a suspicion my budget's a lot tighter than yours. :(
I have 100/40 unlimited data here, so the Internet connection would cope, but only 4G monthly data on the phone, which would get chewed up rather quickly, and then there's the matter of unreliable coverage. This is not an area of saturation coverage, there are nearby towns (some substantial too!) where I can't get reliable mobile coverage. Was in one of them the other weekend. Had I realised, I would have planned ahead and broight my hotspot which is with another telco that could have got me out of trouble. So streaming isn't a viable solution.
Sure, I _can_ get bigger mobile plans, but they cost a lot more than I can justify.
On 09-29-18 14:34, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm an ICT consultant, so long time I had also the benefit buying
things cheaper at wholesale companies. Those time are gone.
This is my most important hobby. Other people spend money on their clothing, car,etc...
I have to save money before buying things.
On 09-29-18 14:37, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You are right. Here in the City is the main office of Vodafone. They
test high speeds and connections all the time. The 4G speeds I get here are very nice. Other cities not that good or not at all.
I didn't buy a new phone, I just upgraded the plan I was finding acceptable as monthly fee.
The system that Would Not Quit (until it did) was a HP Pavilion system handed down from my father when he complained it was too slow. 1.1 ghz, 512 MB RAM, Intel i810 motherboard - typical for 2002 or so.
Yeah, some of those old clunkers seemed to go on forever. :)
I'm an ICT consultant, so long time I had also the benefit buying things cheaper at wholesale companies. Those time are gone.
That too, but the above still supports my budget theory. :)
This is my most important hobby. Other people spend money on their clothing, car,etc...
True. I also have a bit of sporting overhead.
I have to save money before buying things.
Same here, though not always possible, living expenses usually get to it first. :(
On 09-30-18 19:10, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm an ICT consultant, so long time I had also the benefit buying things cheaper at wholesale companies. Those time are gone.
That too, but the above still supports my budget theory. :)
ok :)
True. I also have a bit of sporting overhead.
Hahaah... you dont see a photo of me... not really money in sports ;)
Yeah here too... this year no update will come to my NAS :( I always
had my own rule with exchanging before warranty is expired... now I
have to pass my own rule budgetwise... :( hope that I dont have a crash before I can buy some new hdd's next year.
Hope this clears up the question.
Who remembers the Trumpet Winsock IP stack for Win 3.0? Talk about a port to a patch to a kludge! :>)
Who remembers the Trumpet Winsock IP stack for Win 3.0? Talk about a port to patch to a kludge! :>)
On 09-30-18 18:46, Doug wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Sep 05 2018 08:47:00
Who remembers the Trumpet Winsock IP stack for Win 3.0? Talk about a
port to a patch to a kludge! :>)
On 10-01-18 09:45, Nightfox wrote to Doug <=-
Yeah, I remember using Trumpet Winsock with Windows 3.1. It seemed
like the only (or best) way to get onto the internet. I don't know if there was a better alternative for Windows at the time.
On 10-01-18 17:29, Jagossel wrote to Doug <=-
Ugh... I vaugely having to deal with Trumpet WinSock for Windows 3.x. Forgot all about it until I had to add a patched version for Windows XP
(I think, but I forgot the reason why I had to get a patch for it in
the first place).
Who remembers the Trumpet Winsock IP stack for Win 3.0? Talk about a port to a patch to a kludge! :>)
Ugh... I vaugely having to deal with Trumpet WinSock for Windows 3.x. Forgot all about it until I had to add a patched version for Windows XP (I think, but I forgot the reason why I had to get a patch for it in the first place).
Umm, why did you need Trumpet for XP? XP had its own dialup IP stack.
They sold it to The Santa Cruz Operation, who cleaned it up, and re-branded it as SCO UnixWare.
Who remembers the Trumpet Winsock IP stack for Win 3.0? Talk about a port to a patch to a kludge! :>)
Who remembers the Trumpet Winsock IP stack for Win 3.0? Talk about a port to a patch to a kludge! :>)
<Raises hand>
Umm, why did you need Trumpet for XP? XP had its own dialup IP stack.
On 10-02-18 07:35, Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It maybe was two different things... I was remembering that the file
name was called "WINSOCK*". Again, I forget the exact the exact name
and why I had to do it.
On 10-02-18 20:24, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Tue Oct 02 2018 11:37 am
Umm, why did you need Trumpet for XP? XP had its own dialup IP stack.
he just has his wires crossed. you had to patch xp's stack to allow
more connections or something like that
he just has his wires crossed. you had to patch xp's stack to allow more connections or something like that
Ahh OK, yeah that makes more sense. And that was probably more to do with file sharing? I know Microsoft put connection limits on the Windows networking, to encourage companies to purchase Windows Server.
On 10-03-18 01:05, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
xp has max 10 per second inbound for tcp/ip
back in the day we would patch it so it can be maximum 40.
But all later versions of Windows incorporated an implementation of Winsock.
xp has max 10 per second inbound for tcp/ip
back in the day we would patch it so it can be maximum 40.
That's one I didn't know, but never really ran into that issue. Don't think I ever really ran torrents under XP (mostly later, on Vista or 7).
But all later versions of Windows incorporated an implementation of Winsock.
I seem to remember reading that Microsoft's implementation of sockets for Windows was based on a BSD implementation.. I don't remember if there was a lawsuit on that or not. Or I could be wrong altogether in what I'm remembering..
Re: Re: GEOS NDO
By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Wed Oct 03 2018 01:08 pm
But all later versions of Windows incorporated an implementation of Winsock.
I seem to remember reading that Microsoft's implementation of sockets for Windows was based on a BSD implementation.. I don't remember if there was a lawsuit on that or not. Or I could be wrong altogether in what I'm remembering..
On 10-03-18 09:32, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
But all later versions of Windows incorporated an implementation of Winsock.
I seem to remember reading that Microsoft's implementation of sockets
for Windows was based on a BSD implementation.. I don't remember if
there was a lawsuit on that or not. Or I could be wrong altogether in what I'm remembering..
On 10-03-18 09:39, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I ran Torrents sometimes on Windows XP, but I didn't know it had a
limit of 10 inbound for tcp/ip. I never really transferred many
torrents at the same time though.
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