• Nightfox??

    From Nightfox@VERT/AMIGAC to All on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:59:11
    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

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  • From Kirkman@VERT/GUARDIAN to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:17:05
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 09:22:22
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    This is the first time I've seen another user use Nightfox. I have been using 'Nightfox' as a handle since I started my original BBS in 1994, and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 09:35:05
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Kirkman on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:13:27
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Kirkman to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 11:17 am

    As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P

    As long as you don't run into Mirror Universe Kirk, I think you should be okay.

    Nightfox

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  • From Fireman@VERT/OXFORDMI to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 15:48:00
    On 01/24/18, Nightfox considered the following...

    This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my

    Always wanted a nick like arsehole as NOBODY wants to be called THAT!

    :-)

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 16:14:36
    i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.

    There is no mechanism locking name across system.

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here,
    since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related
    site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Ennev on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 14:32:13
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:14 pm

    i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.

    There is no mechanism locking name across system.

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here,
    since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    I'm thrilled that we actually have enough users today that we have a legitimate alias conflict. This used to happen all the time, but no so much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ennev on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 14:58:23
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:14 pm

    i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.

    There is no mechanism locking name across system.

    Yep, that's true. Though I'd rather there not be confusion about who wrote a message or which person to contact.

    With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 15:00:38
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    I selected the guitar avatar from the 'Musical Stuff' collection. Seemed like a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I've created.. I never have been much of an artist.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 16:44:44
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    It seems my avatar chosen on my BBS isn't always being exported to Dove-Net.. On Monday, I had set my avatar back to the guitar from the Musical Things collection, but I checked on your BBS and it was still using my previous avatar. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it does not always detect when I've changed my avatar - One of the times I saw it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but then I changed my avatar again and it said there were no avatars to export. And I had my BBS call out to yours (VERT) again and then checked yours, but it looked like it's still using my older avatar before I changed it on Monday.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 16:56:10
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:58 pm

    With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..

    Murphy's law. Or kismet. Or irony. Something like that. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 17:04:57
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:44 pm

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    It seems my avatar chosen on my BBS isn't always being exported to Dove-Net.. On Monday, I had set my avatar back to the guitar from the Musical Things collection, but I checked on your BBS and it was still using my previous avatar. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it does not always detect when I've changed my avatar - One of the times I saw it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but then I changed my avatar again and it said there were no avatars to export. And I had my BBS call out to yours (VERT) again and then checked yours, but it looked like it's still using my older avatar before I changed it on Monday.

    If you add the '-v' option to the "avatars.js export" command-line (or just run a test using jsexec, and add the '-v' option), it should give you more details about why a particular user's avatar isn't exported at that time.

    Normally, the export frequency should be throttled by the "export_freq" setting (in modopts.ini, by defaults to 7 days). Also, if a user has never posted or can't post, then their avatar won't be exported. Or if a user hasn't logged on since their avatar was last exported, it won't be exported again.

    Or there could just be a bug somewhere. :-)

    Your experimentation and feedback is appreciated,

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 16:48:48
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday change. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG, and it runs without any errors. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it doesn't always see that I changed my avatar. One of the times, it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but the next time I changed my avatar & ran AVAT-OUT, it said there were no avatars to export. Also, I don't see the avatar from the other Nightfox on my BBS, though I saw his avatar on yours..

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 19:06:44
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:48 pm

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday change. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG, and it runs without any errors. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it doesn't always see that I changed my avatar. One of the times, it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but the next time I changed my avatar & ran AVAT-OUT, it said there were no avatars to export. Also, I don't see the avatar from the other Nightfox on my BBS, though I saw his avatar on yours..

    Have you tried with the '-v' option? Also, be sure to cvs update if you haven't already (just to be sure).

    digital man

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ennev on Thursday, January 25, 2018 14:07:00
    Ennev wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT/MTLGEEK
    i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.

    There is no mechanism locking name across system.

    Yep, I could setup a "Nightfox" here. Nothing to stop me doing that.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Thursday, January 25, 2018 14:08:00
    Digital Man wrote to Ennev <=-

    I'm thrilled that we actually have enough users today that we have a legitimate alias conflict. This used to happen all the time, but no so much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)

    A nice problem to have. :-)

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    One doesn't see avatars in offline mail. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 14:09:00
    Nightfox wrote to Ennev <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:14 pm

    i guess if someone go on another bbs and register a name it will work.

    There is no mechanism locking name across system.

    Yep, that's true. Though I'd rather there not be confusion about who wrote a message or which person to contact.

    One just has to do the same as in the old days - check the origin line, and also keep track of what you said. We managed it in the past, can do again.

    With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on
    a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox
    on Dove-Net now..

    Now you now. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Thursday, January 25, 2018 14:10:00
    Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Murphy's law. Or kismet. Or irony. Something like that. :-)

    Synchronicity, or is that Synchroneticy? :D


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Digital Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 22:08:58
    I'm thrilled that we actually have enough users today that we have a legitimate alias conflict. This used to happen all the time, but no so much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)

    Nah, it's a feature !

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 22:47:21
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 14:58:23

    different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..

    I know, right? Like what in the even heck!


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  • From naga@VERT/ABINARY to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 21:49:00
    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    That's so funny! I don't even know what I would do if someone was using my handle on such a small community. Before I was "Naga", I was "naga10" (yes,
    the numbers came first). I was signing up for a forum somewhere for some
    reason years ago and there was another naga10, but no Naga. I always thought that was the strangest collision - just the specific combination of numbers.
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 00:43:38
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?



    that's what you get for picking a faggy handle, dude
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 00:44:30
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 09:35 am

    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here, since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 00:55:17
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:58 pm


    Yep, that's true. Though I'd rather there not be confusion about who wrote a message or which person to contact.

    With Synchronet's new avatar feature, I recently asked Digital Man what might happen if I choose an avatar on my BBS and a different avatar on a different BBS (which avatar would appear on Dove-Net?), so it almost seems like an odd coincidence that someone else is posting as Nightfox on Dove-Net now..


    i tried the avatar feature out on your bbs, and not sure i like it.
    also they need to explain the specs when you choose upload .bin
    i will leave it disabled.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 00:57:44
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 03:00 pm

    like a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I've created.. I never have been much of an artist.


    there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Kirkman on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 22:37:03
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Kirkman to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 11:17 am

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on
    here, since that has been the username I have been using for my
    Amiga related site accounts and my Github too. What in the even
    heck?

    As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P

    I think Pee Wee herman is still available as a handle.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 01:55:52
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 04:48 pm

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Ennev on Wed Jan 24 2018 02:32 pm

    It helps that they chose different avatars, though I think the DIGDIST Nightfox's needs some work. :-P

    I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday change. I do have an AVAT-OUT event set up in SCFG, and it runs without any errors. I just tried changing my avatar and running AVAT-OUT a couple times, and it seems it doesn't always see that I changed my avatar. One of the times, it said it exported my avatar (for user #1), but the next time I changed my avatar & ran AVAT-OUT, it said there were no avatars to export. Also, I don't see the avatar from the other Nightfox on my BBS, though I saw his avatar on yours..

    I think I know the reason: duplicate message detection. When you changed your avatar back to the previous image and it was exported, the message body was the same was previously exported to SYNCDATA, so the message rejected as a duplicate. That's an easy fix (besides disabling dupe message body detection). I'll get it fixed in CVS soon.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Thursday, January 25, 2018 01:59:53
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jan 25 2018 12:57 am

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 03:00 pm

    like a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I've created.. I never have been much of an artist.


    there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.

    Lucky for us you suck as an ANSI artist?

    Seriously though, have you checked out the collection over 150 avatars we have available for users? (you can preview some here if you can't be bothered to install them yourself: http://wiki.synchro.net/module:avatars)

    I think Kirman, echicken and myself have done pretty decent with those 60 "squares".

    digital man

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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to MRO on Thursday, January 25, 2018 09:08:48
    El 25/01/18 a las 03:44, MRO escribió:
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 09:35 am

    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed Jan 24 2018 12:59 pm

    Hello, I am extremely surprised to see a user called Nightfox on here,
    since that has been the username I have been using for my Amiga related
    site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?

    This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.



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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to MRO on Thursday, January 25, 2018 08:29:07
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jan 25 2018 00:55:17

    also they need to explain the specs when you choose upload .bin

    At the top of the upload screen, it says "Your avatar must be 10x6 characters in size and saved in binary format", but I can see somebody missing that.
    Could make it brighter or blinking or something. I figured if that wasn't enough information for somebody to work with, they'd be better off using the online avatar editor.


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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to MRO on Thursday, January 25, 2018 08:31:47
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Jan 25 2018 00:57:44

    there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to

    It's usable, but the graphics aren't going to be amazing or complex. Hard to find a balance between giving enough space to draw something and not taking up too much screen space.


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Digital Man on Thursday, January 25, 2018 09:17:24
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:59 am

    there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i
    tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.

    Lucky for us you suck as an ANSI artist?

    So do I! That has not stopped me from trying! Although I may refine my avatar a bit, the canvas size is a bit off for a perfect circle, especialy if you want to center things in it.


    I think Kirman, echicken and myself have done pretty decent with those 60 "squares".

    Indeed, some of these avatars are amazing. I've never been anything more than a "mediocre" ANSI artist. I keep meaning to offer to throw money at someone to design some custom ANSIs for my BBS...

    DaiTengu

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Thursday, January 25, 2018 09:31:15
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 05:04 pm

    It seems my avatar chosen on my BBS isn't always being exported to
    Dove-Net.. On Monday, I had set my avatar back to the guitar from the

    If you add the '-v' option to the "avatars.js export" command-line (or just run a test using jsexec, and add the '-v' option), it should give you more details about why a particular user's avatar isn't exported at that time.

    I just tried changing my avatar and running avatars.js export with the -v option. It said it was exporting my avatar (user #1), then showed some messages that some other users were being skipped because they haven't or can't post, and then it showed this error:

    !MsgBase error: smb_addmsg duplicate TEXT_BODY: hash found in message #4063 FAILED

    Normally, the export frequency should be throttled by the "export_freq" setting (in modopts.ini, by defaults to 7 days). Also, if a user has never posted or can't post, then their avatar won't be exported. Or if a user hasn't logged on since their avatar was last exported, it won't be exported again.

    I wonder if the export frequency could be the issue.. I don't think it has exported my avatar that much though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Thursday, January 25, 2018 09:37:55
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Denn to Kirkman on Wed Jan 24 2018 10:37 pm

    I think Pee Wee herman is still available as a handle.

    But you don't want to get mixed up with a guy like him. He's a loner. A rebel. There are things about him you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Thursday, January 25, 2018 09:42:50
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:55 am

    I had changed my avatar on Monday, but I checked on your BBS and it
    looked like it was still using my previous avatar before my Monday

    I think I know the reason: duplicate message detection. When you changed your avatar back to the previous image and it was exported, the message body was the same was previously exported to SYNCDATA, so the message rejected as a duplicate. That's an easy fix (besides disabling dupe message body detection). I'll get it fixed in CVS soon.

    I see you put in the update to avatars.js and I updated it on my BBS.

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to DaiTengu on Thursday, January 25, 2018 13:12:08
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: DaiTengu to Digital Man on Thu Jan 25 2018 09:17:24

    avatar a bit, the canvas size is a bit off for a perfect circle, especialy if you want to center things in it.

    I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that.
    Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.

    Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place:

    https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs

    (For inspiration, or if anyone feels like taking a peek.)

    than a "mediocre" ANSI artist. I keep meaning to offer to throw money at someone to design some custom ANSIs for my BBS...

    In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who will
    take your money:

    http://www.ansigarden.com/


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  • From Mojo@VERT/MOJO to Nightfox on Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:41:13
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 09:35 am

    Hi Nightfox,

    This is the first time I've seen another user (at least on a BBS) use Nightfox as a handle. I have been using 'Nightfox' since I started my original BBS in 1994 and have been using it on Dove-Net since I started my current BBS in 2007.


    Just out of curiousity what bbs software did you use in 1994 for your bbs then?



    Mojo

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mojo on Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:18:05
    Re: BBS in 1994
    By: Mojo to Nightfox on Thu Jan 25 2018 11:41 am

    Just out of curiousity what bbs software did you use in 1994 for your bbs then?

    I was using RemoteAccess.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to echicken on Thursday, January 25, 2018 13:47:37
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: echicken to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:12 pm

    I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that. Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.

    True. I'm not sure if mine is showing up for you yet, it's a rough approximation of Deadpool's logo.

    Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place: https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs

    Was just paging through these on my BBS a little while ago. They're amazing.



    DaiTengu


    Mike

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to echicken on Thursday, January 25, 2018 13:49:24
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: echicken to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:12 pm

    I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that. Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.

    True. I'm not sure if mine is showing up for you yet, it's a rough approximation of Deadpool's logo.

    Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place: https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs

    Was just paging through these on my BBS a little while ago. They're amazing.

    In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who will take your money:

    http://www.ansigarden.com/

    Yeah, I actually bought one of his menu packs at one point, but just never found the time to go build out a real menu from it. I believe he runs a couple of the ANSI facebook groups here and there.


    DaiTengu


    Mike

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:08:00
    I selected the guitar avatar from the 'Musical Stuff' collection. Seemed lik N>a decent avatar (and I like to play guitar from time to time). I've tried to N>draw a few avatars but I haven't really been too happy with my own avatars I' N>created.. I never have been much of an artist.

    Cool. I was involved in choral groups, etc. for over 30 years...but
    health concerns have ended that now. I still enjoy going to concerts by barbershop/beautyshop quartets. In fact, this is the time of year where
    they do "Singing Valentines" all across the country...and, it's real
    popular. Proceeds go to fund expenses for competitions.

    Details are at www.singingvalentines.com

    Daryl
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to VK3JED on Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:10:00
    Tony,

    One doesn't see avatars in offline mail. :)

    Well, that leaves me out, then. <G> I prefer QWK Mail for message
    processing. But, considering I haven't had time to get the
    implementation of that yet, I'm not overly concerned right now. In
    short, too many other things outside the BBS to worry about.

    Daryl

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Kirkman on Thursday, January 25, 2018 19:00:56
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Kirkman to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 11:17:05

    site accounts and my Github too. What in the even heck?
    As a kid, I was extremely surprised how many other "Captain Kirk"s there were around the BBS world. I thought I was being unique. :P
    --Josh

    Yeah, with Hawkeye the same... on BBS andso on... later people thought about other Hawkeye's, but mine was used since the C64 scene and because of MASH... that was also the reason I always registered as -=[HAWKEYE/groupname]=- so ppl knew it was me ;)

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Ennev on Thursday, January 25, 2018 19:08:09
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ennev to Nightfox on Wed Jan 24 2018 16:14:36

    There is no mechanism locking name across system.

    Nope, but in the old days I remember groups shared the info of new users during the application process to see if that handle is the one they know or want... a newby with the same nickname/handle would soon get the explanation to change it or locked out/ban in other boards. You always needed some people who had to support your registration otherwise you did not get access at all... no reference no access...

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Ennev on Thursday, January 25, 2018 19:12:01
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ennev to Digital Man on Wed Jan 24 2018 22:08:58

    much nowadays. It's what I call a "quality problem". :-)
    Nah, it's a feature !

    We will read this in the new version history of SBBS ;)

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to echicken on Thursday, January 25, 2018 19:27:57
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: echicken to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:12 pm

    Here's a fairly up-to-date look at available avatars in one place:

    https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=More/avatar-gallery.xjs

    You need to cvs update your starwars.bin file though. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to DaiTengu on Thursday, January 25, 2018 19:29:26
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: DaiTengu to echicken on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:49 pm

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: echicken to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:12 pm

    I'm not sure that even an extra column or two would help much with that. Below certain dimensions, circles just don't work out too well, and rounded rectangles end up looking nicer.

    True. I'm not sure if mine is showing up for you yet, it's a rough approximation of Deadpool's logo.

    Yup, got it here:

    ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄúúúú ÜÜÜÜ
    ³ Subj: Re: Nightfox?? Üß ÛÛ ßÜ
    ³ To : echicken Û Û ÛÛ Û Û ³ From: DaiTengu (ENSEMBLE) Û ÛÛ Û ³ Date: Thu Jan 25 2018 01:49 pm CST (7.7 hours ago) ßÜ ÛÛ Üß ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄúúúúúú ßÜÛÛÜß

    Look better in color of course.

    digital man

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Digital Man on Thursday, January 25, 2018 23:34:17
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to echicken on Thu Jan 25 2018 19:27:57

    You need to cvs update your starwars.bin file though. :-)

    Done.

    I will probably spend some more time on this web-avatar stuff soon. Might try an 8x16 font for the CP437 spritesheet and see if I like the look of it better than the current one.


    ---
    echicken
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Friday, January 26, 2018 15:09:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
    Tony,

    One doesn't see avatars in offline mail. :)

    Well, that leaves me out, then. <G> I prefer QWK Mail for message processing. But, considering I haven't had time to get the
    implementation of that yet, I'm not overly concerned right now. In
    short, too many other things outside the BBS to worry about.

    I'm the same, I find offline mail easier, even with always on networking.


    ... People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    þ Synchronet þ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Friday, January 26, 2018 02:10:14
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:59 am

    there's really not enough squares to pull off something decent. i tried to do a hand with a middle finger and it didnt work out.

    Lucky for us you suck as an ANSI artist?

    dunno, the middle finger one i made looks pretty nice. just need more space

    Seriously though, have you checked out the collection over 150 avatars we have available for users? (you can preview some here if you can't be


    i looked at a bunch of them on nightfox's bbs.
    bothered to install them yourself: http://wiki.synchro.net/module:avatars)

    I think Kirman, echicken and myself have done pretty decent with those 60 "squares".


    i'm not complaining, there's only so much you can do and any larger would be annoying.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to echicken on Friday, January 26, 2018 02:15:29
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: echicken to MRO on Thu Jan 25 2018 08:29 am

    also they need to explain the specs when you choose upload .bin

    At the top of the upload screen, it says "Your avatar must be 10x6 characters in size and saved in binary format", but I can see somebody missing that.

    ah, i didnt see it for some reason(DRUNK). now i do when i logged in.
    it's probably better to just use the online editor.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, January 26, 2018 02:17:06
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Thu Jan 25 2018 09:37 am

    I think Pee Wee herman is still available as a handle.

    But you don't want to get mixed up with a guy like him. He's a loner. A rebel. There are things about him you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand.



    also probably a pedophile
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to MRO on Friday, January 26, 2018 08:32:31
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: MRO to echicken on Fri Jan 26 2018 02:15:29

    ah, i didnt see it for some reason(DRUNK). now i do when i logged in.

    Well that's fair enough, I missed it myself at first glance when I went in to double-check that I'd actually put some info there. Will probably make it show up in bright white or something more eye-catching.


    ---
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Digital Man on Friday, January 26, 2018 09:44:09
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 07:29 pm

    Yup, got it here:

    Look better in color of course.

    Nice! I just re-did it again. shrunk it down to center things a bit better, I'm much happier with it now.

    Thanks for adding this! It's probably one of the coolest new features to come to BBS software in quite awhile!

    DaiTengu

    ... Beware of all enterprises requiring new clothes.

    ---
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to DaiTengu on Friday, January 26, 2018 11:30:21
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: DaiTengu to Digital Man on Fri Jan 26 2018 09:44 am

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Thu Jan 25 2018 07:29 pm

    Yup, got it here:

    Look better in color of course.

    Nice! I just re-did it again. shrunk it down to center things a bit better, I'm much happier with it now.

    I agree, looks better (more sinister).

    Thanks for adding this! It's probably one of the coolest new features to come to BBS software in quite awhile!

    I'm glad you agree. I've been having fun with it (probably, obvious). :-)

    digital man

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  • From Kirkman@VERT/GUARDIAN to DaiTengu on Friday, January 26, 2018 20:12:27
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: DaiTengu to echicken on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:49 pm

    In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who
    will take your money:
    http://www.ansigarden.com/

    Yeah, I actually bought one of his menu packs at one point, but just never found the time to go build out a real menu from it. I believe he runs a couple of the ANSI facebook groups here and there.


    That's Enzo, and he runs Blocktronics. He also did the ANSI art for Shooter Jennings' two recent door games ("From Here to Eternity" and "Freedom Train").

    --Josh

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Kirkman on Friday, January 26, 2018 18:28:36
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Kirkman to DaiTengu on Fri Jan 26 2018 08:12 pm

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: DaiTengu to echicken on Thu Jan 25 2018 01:49 pm

    In case you haven't encountered this, here's a talented artist who
    will take your money:
    http://www.ansigarden.com/

    Yeah, I actually bought one of his menu packs at one point, but just never found the time to go build out a real menu from it. I believe he runs a couple of the ANSI facebook groups here and there.


    That's Enzo, and he runs Blocktronics. He also did the ANSI art for Shooter Jennings' two recent door games ("From Here to Eternity" and "Freedom Train").

    Oh, cool. I didn't know it was the same guy. I sent him a link to info/examples of the avatars we have so far and he said he'd make some. <crossing-fingers>

    digital man

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to VK3JED on Friday, January 26, 2018 22:14:00
    Tony,

    I'm the same, I find offline mail easier, even with always on networking.

    You get time to work on a reply, and you're not tying up the node. Admittedly, when I logon to my BBS to do the mail, I shell out while I
    run the QWK Mail, then log back on to upload the packet. If I was being
    deluged by legitmate callers (not bots), I'd logoff after each packet
    download.

    If I do nothing else aside from the ham radio and weather data, or the
    QWK Mail on the BBS, in a given day...to me, I've done the minimum
    needed. I'll do the other stuff later.

    ... People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.

    Or like the tagline below.

    Daryl

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Sunday, January 28, 2018 06:15:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

    I'm the same, I find offline mail easier, even with always on networking.

    You get time to work on a reply, and you're not tying up the node. Admittedly, when I logon to my BBS to do the mail, I shell out while I
    run the QWK Mail, then log back on to upload the packet. If I was being deluged by legitmate callers (not bots), I'd logoff after each packet download.

    In the BBS days, there was also the aspect of callers, we used to have quite a few back then, so keeping the system free for callers was a good thing. In the latter days, OS/2 made it possible to simply use GoldEd while the system was up, which had a few more advantages.

    Today, the BBSs run on a Banana Pi. Shelling to DOS is an anachronism that is simply not needed, one just switches to the other tasks on the system.

    If I do nothing else aside from the ham radio and weather data, or
    the QWK Mail on the BBS, in a given day...to me, I've done the minimum needed. I'll do the other stuff later.

    Haha I have a lot more other (non BBS) stuff to do, because I have interests that are not technology based. I'm out of town, have been since Friday for a track meet. Have picked up a few medals already. :)

    ... People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care.

    Or like the tagline below.

    Daryl

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    The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to VK3JED on Saturday, January 27, 2018 20:19:00
    Tony,

    In the BBS days, there was also the aspect of callers, we used to have quite V>few back then, so keeping the system free for callers was a good thing. In t V>latter days, OS/2 made it possible to simply use GoldEd while the system was V>up, which had a few more advantages.

    When I ran dial-up, I could only afford one line. I'm considering reactivating that...not so much for dial-up fax access, but to have a
    way to reach my elderly Mom, if the cell networks and internet goes
    down...as they usually do when bad weather (tornadoes or winter storms)
    occurs.

    From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to
    digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm wondering
    if it's even worth doing such.

    Today, the BBSs run on a Banana Pi. Shelling to DOS is an anachronism that i V>simply not needed, one just switches to the other tasks on the system.

    The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck
    Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I originally had to set up a slot called "Saturday Shell", where I'd logon
    to the BBS from the local keyboard (the dial-up line got busied out),
    and I'd be able to answer mail, and do other Sysop tasks...besides
    playing a few of the doors. Now, with telnet, you can have up to 255
    nodes, and while I still do the messages with QWK Mail, I don't have to
    worry about the lines being tied up. I only have 4 nodes, but it's rare
    that all 4 had users on them at the same time. Most of them have been
    bots, and I've been filling up the ip.can file with IP addresses.

    Haha I have a lot more other (non BBS) stuff to do, because I have interests V>that are not technology based. I'm out of town, have been since Friday for a V>track meet. Have picked up a few medals already. :)

    Congratulations.

    The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D

    That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DARYL STOUT on Sunday, January 28, 2018 10:02:00
    From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm wondering
    if it's even worth doing such.

    Well, speaking as a person who has both (data = local cable company, voice
    = magicjack ) the cable company VOIP seems to handle data pretty well.
    The magicjack not so much. So, it may work just fine.

    The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck
    Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I

    Still my favorite. :)

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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Saturday, January 27, 2018 03:58:00
    But you don't want to get mixed up with a guy like him. He's a
    loner. A
    rebel. There are things about him you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand.
    Maybe before 1991 to have the handle "pee wee herman" for a user
    account.

    ---
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Matthew Munson on Sunday, January 28, 2018 19:50:13
    Re: Nightfox??
    By: Matthew Munson to NIGHTFOX on Sat Jan 27 2018 03:58 am

    Maybe before 1991 to have the handle "pee wee herman" for a user
    account.

    When I was really young and first started BBSing, before I used Nightfox, I was using "The Tax Man" (inspired by the Beatles song) as a handle on some BBSes. Some people didn't seem to get the reference though and asked if I worked for the IRS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Monday, January 29, 2018 21:03:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

    When I ran dial-up, I could only afford one line. I'm considering reactivating that...not so much for dial-up fax access, but to have a
    way to reach my elderly Mom, if the cell networks and internet goes down...as they usually do when bad weather (tornadoes or winter storms) occurs.

    No such thing as a POTS line around here now (or at least very soon), would have to make it work over VoIP. ;)

    From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm
    wondering if it's even worth doing such.

    Depends what codecs they use, but it is possible.

    The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I

    I used that combination as well. Quite good, though sometimes a little "fragile" when trying to do really advanced stuff like networking. OS/2 was just rock solid.

    originally had to set up a slot called "Saturday Shell", where I'd
    logon to the BBS from the local keyboard (the dial-up line got busied out), and I'd be able to answer mail, and do other Sysop
    tasks...besides playing a few of the doors. Now, with telnet, you can
    have up to 255 nodes, and while I still do the messages with QWK Mail,
    I don't have to worry about the lines being tied up. I only have 4
    nodes, but it's rare that all 4 had users on them at the same time.
    Most of them have been bots, and I've been filling up the ip.can file
    with IP addresses.

    Yes, things have changed. :)

    Haha I have a lot more other (non BBS) stuff to do, because I have interests
    that are not technology based. I'm out of town, have been since Friday for

    track meet. Have picked up a few medals already. :)

    Congratulations.

    Thanks, won another 2 since I sent that message, bringing my total to 5 - 2 silver, 3 bronze. :)

    The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D

    That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P

    It's next to the other key. :P


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to DUMAS WALKER on Monday, January 29, 2018 09:20:00
    Mike,

    From what I understand, the phone companies are converting analog to DW>> digital (VoIP)...like what MagicJack, etc. is already. So, I'm wondering DW>> if it's even worth doing such.

    Well, speaking as a person who has both (data = local cable company, voice
    = magicjack ) the cable company VOIP seems to handle data pretty well.
    The magicjack not so much. So, it may work just fine.

    I'll have to check that and see. I've got the voice deal with Comcast,
    but I rarely use it. The thing is, if my internet goes out, it's
    useless. So, I want a line to contact my Mom if my internet or cellphone
    goes out. That's why I'm considering the AT&T line...but the ONLY thing
    I'll have on it is Caller ID -- no long distance.

    The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck
    Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I

    Still my favorite. :)

    I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
    QEMM utility myself.

    Daryl

    ---
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Monday, January 29, 2018 09:35:26
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Daryl Stout to DUMAS WALKER on Mon Jan 29 2018 09:20 am

    I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
    QEMM utility myself.

    I used QEMM too, and also dabbled with DESQView a bit. From what I remember, QEMM optimized memory better than Microsoft's own memmaker tool that was included with MS-DOS 6 and above. Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node setup so that I could log onto my BBS from node 2 (or do other stuff at the DOS prompt) while someone was using my BBS. I thought it worked fairly well.

    Nightfox

    ---
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Monday, January 29, 2018 13:52:25
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Daryl Stout on Mon Jan 29 2018 09:35 am

    I used QEMM too, and also dabbled with DESQView a bit. From what I remember, QEMM optimized memory better than Microsoft's own memmaker tool that was included with MS-DOS 6 and above. Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node setup so that I could log onto my BBS from node 2 (or do other stuff at the DOS prompt) while someone was using my BBS. I thought it worked fairly well.


    If you ran Desqview, you needed QEMM. When running just DOS, it seemed like QEMM could get you more memory but it wouldn't be anywhere near as stable.

    Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...

    ---
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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Dumas Walker on Monday, January 29, 2018 21:12:11
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Dumas Walker to DARYL STOUT on Sun Jan 28 2018 10:02:00

    The first multi-tasking I did was with DESQView from Quarterdeck Software under DOS 5. I was using their QEMM Memory Manager as well. I

    Actually... QEMM386 was the reason I could solve a memory issue with a banking company running Novell Netware ELS II... I was able to use the videomem as extra memory for the basemem and they could run their own programmed application, which before they couldn't as the drivers of novell took too much memory. Thanks to my experience with my BBS DV/QEMM I could solve this easily while other netware gurus looked as me as a magician... hahaha.. good old times.

    ---
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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Daryl Stout on Monday, January 29, 2018 21:50:56
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Daryl Stout to DUMAS WALKER on Mon Jan 29 2018 09:20:00

    Still my favorite. :)
    I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
    QEMM utility myself.

    DV was my favorite for my BBS with even dual monitor back then (mode mono) with a VGA and monochrome hercules card.... later OS/2 was my favorite OS for my BBS... I had multiple lines and was able to replace my 13 computers with 4 or so.

    ---
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, January 29, 2018 15:50:35
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jan 29 2018 01:52 pm

    If you ran Desqview, you needed QEMM. When running just DOS, it seemed like QEMM could get you more memory but it wouldn't be anywhere near as stable.

    Yep, I remember DesqView needing QEMM. I actually used QEMM with just DOS for quite a while and don't remember having stability issues with it..

    Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...

    :) That and many other things. Changing IRQs on hardware expansion cards so there wouldn't be IRQ conflicts, manually adding device drivers to CONFIG.SYS, creating boot configurations in CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT (available with MS-DOS 5.0 and newer), etc..

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:26:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Actually... QEMM386 was the reason I could solve a memory issue with a banking company running Novell Netware ELS II... I was able to use the videomem as extra memory for the basemem and they could run their own programmed application, which before they couldn't as the drivers of novell took too much memory. Thanks to my experience with my BBS
    DV/QEMM I could solve this easily while other netware gurus looked as
    me as a magician... hahaha.. good old times.

    QEMM was pretty awesome. My BBS machine had a CGA card, and when I upgraded to a 386 motherboard, I was able to get QEMM to map some extended memory into the space between 640k and the start of CGA memory, providing a total of 736k of conventional memory, IIRC. After booting DOS and loading all the drivers I needed (as many as possible loaded high), I had around 704k free conventional memory. Those were great days to be in the IT industry, along with the early days of the Internet, before the mass produced Chinese routers hit the market. One either had to buy a Cisco ($$$$$$$$$) or build something on commodity hardware, which I was able to do. Today, I would simply buy it all off the shelf. Back then, cable Internet installers would take one look at my setup and say "You want to do setup the software?", while they concentrated on getting the physical connection working. :-) Oh, and I never needed the company's installation CD. :D


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DARYL STOUT on Monday, January 29, 2018 17:50:00
    I'll have to check that and see. I've got the voice deal with Comcast,
    but I rarely use it. The thing is, if my internet goes out, it's
    useless. So, I want a line to contact my Mom if my internet or cellphone
    goes out. That's why I'm considering the AT&T line...but the ONLY thing
    I'll have on it is Caller ID -- no long distance.

    That is the bad thing with the MagicJack. The local plant board's cable
    phone usually keeps working even when the internet is out. I have only had
    it go completely out (that I know of) when the power was out for a few
    hours.

    I used the red and white theme with DESQview. :) I really liked the
    QEMM utility myself.

    I found DV to be easier to work with than the versions of Windows that were
    out at the same time. Really, probably easier than any MS-Windows I've
    ever used. :)

    ---
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Monday, January 29, 2018 18:08:00
    I used QEMM too, and also dabbled with DESQView a bit. From what I remember, QEMM optimized memory better than Microsoft's own memmaker tool that was included with MS-DOS 6 and above.

    It most certainly did.

    Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only
    one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node setup so tha
    I could log onto my BBS from node 2 (or do other stuff at the DOS prompt) whil
    someone was using my BBS. I thought it worked fairly well.

    I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK mail
    or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another
    window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I did
    not like about it was that Simcity 2000 would not run under it. :)

    ---
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Monday, January 29, 2018 18:53:03
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jan 29 2018 06:08 pm

    Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only
    one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node

    I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK mail or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I did not like about it was that Simcity 2000 would not run under it. :)

    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    Nightfox

    ---
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  • From Ljayo1@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:07:13
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 29 2018 18:53:03

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jan 29 2018 06:08 pm

    Also in the 90s, even though my BBS was only
    one line, I eventually used DESQView to set up my BBS in a 2-node

    I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK ma or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I d not like about it was that Simcity 2000 would not run under it. :)

    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    Nightfox

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a modern computer and use it correctly :(

    ---
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ljayo1 on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 09:38:11
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:07 am

    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of
    those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a modern computer and use it correctly :(

    Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it. I've played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versions of SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to VK3JED on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:21:00
    Tony,

    Thanks, won another 2 since I sent that message, bringing my total to 5 - 2 V>silver, 3 bronze. :)

    Like the [insert desired ethnicity here] did...won gold and silver
    medals, and went right out to get them bronzed. :P

    The alternative action is "Don't bother hitting any key:. :D

    That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P

    It's next to the other key. :P

    I'm sorry I said ANYthing now. <G>

    Daryl

    ---
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to DUMAS WALKER on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:24:00
    Mike,

    That is the bad thing with the MagicJack. The local plant board's cable DW>phone usually keeps working even when the internet is out. I have only had DW>it go completely out (that I know of) when the power was out for a few DW>hours.

    Someone said that the VoiP deal with Xfinity (Comcast) would perform
    better. If I could get it to work that way (I'm paying for the line
    anyway), it'd be cheaper. Yet, if my internet and cellphone are out, I
    have no way to contact my Mom in an emergency. So, I may end up getting
    the line anyway.

    I found DV to be easier to work with than the versions of Windows that were DW>out at the same time. Really, probably easier than any MS-Windows I've DW>ever used. :)

    It took a bit getting used to, but loved multi-tasking with it.

    þ SLMR 2.1a þ "Wanna give Honest Abe another term in the Oval Office?"

    He'd likely do better than what has been in there lately.

    Daryl
    ---
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:26:00
    Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of PF>memory...

    Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody"
    comes to mind. :P

    Daryl

    ---
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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 21:17:15
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Jan 29 2018 13:52:25

    Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...

    exactly.... old but precious memories...

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ MASH4077.DDNS.NET - MASH BBS - The Netherlands
  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Ljayo1 on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 22:50:38
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:07:13

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a modern computer and use it correctly :(

    The Amiga version runs great in emulators. Much better platform than trying to get DOS or Win95 working...

    Marisa
    --- https://AmigaCity.xyz - Portal for the Amiga - More than 2,600 free DLs
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 15:26:19
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Daryl Stout to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Jan 30 2018 10:26 am

    Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody"
    comes to mind. :P

    People often attribute that to Bill Gates, but from what I've heard, he probably didn't actually say that.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Marisag on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 16:37:52
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Marisag to Ljayo1 on Tue Jan 30 2018 10:50 pm

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a
    modern computer and use it correctly :(

    The Amiga version runs great in emulators. Much better platform than trying to get DOS or Win95 working...

    I played the DOS & Win95 versions of SimCity 2000. I'm curious now what was different in the Amiga version.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 18:33:00
    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    I think I lost whole days playing it during the Summer of '94. :O :D

    ---
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 20:08:04
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Daryl Stout on Tue Jan 30 2018 03:26 pm

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Daryl Stout to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Tue Jan 30 2018 10:26 am

    Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody" comes to mind. :P

    People often attribute that to Bill Gates, but from what I've heard, he probably didn't actually say that.


    yeah he said he didnt say that. and he was pushing for it to bump up from 512k ---
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 14:36:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

    Like the [insert desired ethnicity here] did...won gold and silver medals, and went right out to get them bronzed. :P

    Oh dear. :P Did you mean to say "American"? :P

    That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P

    It's next to the other key. :P

    I'm sorry I said ANYthing now. <G>

    Hahaha. :P


    ... Half of conversation is listening.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 14:40:00
    Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Imagine telling your kids you spent hours trying to get an extra 20KB of memory...

    exactly.... old but precious memories...

    Or configuring IRQ settings on a card with a pen knife and soldering iron. :)


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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 07:06:03
    I played the DOS & Win95 versions of SimCity 2000. I'm curious now what
    was different in the Amiga version.

    Was probably very close to the Win95 version.

    ---
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  • From Ljayo1@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 13:35:27
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Ljayo1 on Tue Jan 30 2018 09:38:11

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:07 am

    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of
    those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a mod computer and use it correctly :(

    Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it. I'v played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versions of SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.

    Nightfox

    I have had issues in older versions of windows. However, i am a Mac user now, so finding the software to run it can be an issue. I will surely try windows 10 again with SimCity!. I first played 3000 and was hooked.

    ---
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  • From Ljayo1@VERT/AMIGAC to Marisag on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 13:36:05
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Marisag to Ljayo1 on Tue Jan 30 2018 22:50:38

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:07:13

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a moder computer and use it correctly :(

    The Amiga version runs great in emulators. Much better platform than trying get DOS or Win95 working...

    Marisa
    --- https://AmigaCity.xyz - Portal for the Amiga - More than 2,600 free DLs --- https://AmigaCityLaptops.com - Laptops & Handhelds that run AmigaOS
    --- https://AmigaCity.xyz/radio.html - Amiga game music 24/7
    Nice tip!! I will try this!

    ---
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to VK3JED on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 17:34:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

    Like the [insert desired ethnicity here] did...won gold and silver medals, and went right out to get them bronzed. :P

    Oh dear. :P Did you mean to say "American"? :P

    How about "blonde??". <G>

    That's only if you don't have an ANY key on your keyboard. :P

    It's next to the other key. :P

    I'm sorry I said ANYthing now. <G>

    Hahaha. :P

    Never mind the old ANSI bombs that would re-map your keyboard. :P
    PKWARE had a TSR, PKSFANSI, to prevent these ANSI bombs from doing their
    dirty deed. I have it online for download.

    Daryl
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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Ljayo1 on Wednesday, January 31, 2018 19:43:51
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Wed Jan 31 2018 13:35:27

    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one of
    those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on a computer and use it correctly :(

    Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it. played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versions SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.


    I have had issues in older versions of windows. However, i am a Mac user now so finding the software to run it can be an issue. I will surely try windows again with SimCity!. I first played 3000 and was hooked.

    I miss playing SimCity 3000 Unlimited! That was my first SimCity as well, and I lost a copy during a move. I tried to get another copy (a friend found a copy and loaned it to me to try to get it runnining on Windows 7, and would pay him if I was able to), couldn't get it to run on Windows 7 or in a VM with Windows XP and 2D/3D accelartion enabled; ended up giving it back. I have SimCity 4 that I got on Steam, but it's not the same. It's fun, but harder to play.

    You might have tried this already, but have you tried running the MS-DOS version of SimCity 2000 in DOSBox (I think DOSBox is available on the Mac)? I tried the demo version, but I haven't figured out how to get it running.

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!

    ... It dun wurk!

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Thursday, February 01, 2018 00:27:05
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Marisag on Tue Jan 30 2018 16:37:52

    Mainly that the emulation is better/easier to get going...

    Marisa
    --- https://AmigaCity.xyz - Portal for the Amiga - More than 2,600 free DLs
    --- https://AmigaCityLaptops.com - Laptops & Handhelds that run AmigaOS
    --- https://AmigaCity.xyz/radio.html - Amiga game music 24/7
    þ Synchronet þ Amiga City - The BBS for the Amiga - more than 2,500+ files
  • From Ljayo1@VERT/AMIGAC to Jagossel on Thursday, February 01, 2018 13:18:27
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Jagossel to Ljayo1 on Wed Jan 31 2018 19:43:51

    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Nightfox on Wed Jan 31 2018 13:35:27

    :) I played a lot of SimCity 2000 back in the day.. That was one
    those games where I could lose track of time while playing it.

    I <3 SIMCITY. Missed it so much. Its hard to get it to emulate on computer and use it correctly :(

    Not sure what you mean - You shouldn't have to use emulation to run it played SimCity 2000 on Windows 10, although there are also newer versi SimCity that I would expect to run without a problem.


    I have had issues in older versions of windows. However, i am a Mac user so finding the software to run it can be an issue. I will surely try wind again with SimCity!. I first played 3000 and was hooked.

    I miss playing SimCity 3000 Unlimited! That was my first SimCity as well, an lost a copy during a move. I tried to get another copy (a friend found a cop and loaned it to me to try to get it runnining on Windows 7, and would pay h if I was able to), couldn't get it to run on Windows 7 or in a VM with Windo XP and 2D/3D accelartion enabled; ended up giving it back. I have SimCity 4 that I got on Steam, but it's not the same. It's fun, but harder to play.

    You might have tried this already, but have you tried running the MS-DOS version of SimCity 2000 in DOSBox (I think DOSBox is available on the Mac)? tried the demo version, but I haven't figured out how to get it running.

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!

    ... It dun wurk!


    I have tried DOSBox in the past, but i didn't realise this would work for mac!!! DOSBox was the perfered method when I first moved to windows 7. I had a direct DB link to each game from a folder. Those were the days! I used to use it mainly for Theme Hospital/Themepark SIM. Loved those games. Not exactly challanging but I find them almost like sitting and playing monopoly with the family. Loved how i could speed up emulation and then bring it back down to normal speed to help boost my incomes when I was on a roll!! :L

    ---
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jagossel on Thursday, February 01, 2018 08:32:42
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Jagossel to Ljayo1 on Wed Jan 31 2018 07:43 pm

    You might have tried this already, but have you tried running the MS-DOS version of SimCity 2000 in DOSBox (I think DOSBox is available on the Mac)? I tried the demo version, but I haven't figured out how to get it running.

    There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might be easier to get running on a Mac. You should be able to run it inside Windows via Boot Camp or a VM (with Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc.). The only thing is that although the Win95 version is 32-bit, its installer is 16-bit, so you may have to use a 32-bit Windows in order for it to work. I made my own custom installer for SimCity 2000 once so that I could install it in a 64-bit Windows (which can't run 16-bit applications)..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Marisag on Thursday, February 01, 2018 08:34:06
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Marisag to Nightfox on Thu Feb 01 2018 12:27 am

    Mainly that the emulation is better/easier to get going...

    Are you referring to SimCity 2000? It would be good to quote the part of the message you're replying to so that people can follow what you're saying.

    Are you saying the emulation for the Amiga version is easier to get going? And easier than what? There is a Windows-native version of SimCity 2000, so if you wanted to play it on Windows, one could just use the Windows version.

    Nightfox

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Ljayo1 on Thursday, February 01, 2018 09:16:01
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Ljayo1 to Jagossel on Thu Feb 01 2018 01:18 pm

    SC3K was a great title, my time spent at Maxis (Before their Walnut Creek studio was shuttered by EA) I got to meet Wil and worked on the BAT (Building Architech Toolkit) That was fun, design your own buildings using a lego like system. Was pretty pimp at the time. Wish they would of hired me on full time. Ah well.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Daryl Stout on Friday, February 02, 2018 06:51:00
    Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

    Oh dear. :P Did you mean to say "American"? :P

    How about "blonde??". <G>

    Are you a blonde American? :P

    Never mind the old ANSI bombs that would re-map your keyboard. :P
    PKWARE had a TSR, PKSFANSI, to prevent these ANSI bombs from doing
    their dirty deed. I have it online for download.

    Never encountered one of those, though I did use a safe ANSI TSR for most of my BBSing days.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 01, 2018 12:54:58
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Daryl Stout on Fri Feb 02 2018 06:51 am

    Never mind the old ANSI bombs that would re-map your keyboard. :P
    PKWARE had a TSR, PKSFANSI, to prevent these ANSI bombs from doing
    their dirty deed. I have it online for download.

    Never encountered one of those, though I did use a safe ANSI TSR for most of my BBSing days.

    I don't remember ever hearing about that happening back in the day, and I didn't know of an ANSI TSR to protect against that.. Perhaps I was lucky and never had that happen to me.

    Nightfox

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Thursday, February 01, 2018 20:20:55
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Marisag on Thu Feb 01 2018 08:34:06

    Sorry, i was meaning Amiga emulation is easier to set up than a Windows config. Using FS-UAE or Win-UAE...

    Marisa
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Thursday, February 01, 2018 18:44:00
    Are you saying the emulation for the Amiga version is easier to get going? And
    easier than what? There is a Windows-native version of SimCity 2000, so if you
    wanted to play it on Windows, one could just use the Windows version.

    I have played both SC2k versions (DOS and Windows). Aside from the install process, I never noticed any difference at all in how the game looked or worked.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, February 02, 2018 20:44:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I don't remember ever hearing about that happening back in the day, and
    I didn't know of an ANSI TSR to protect against that.. Perhaps I was lucky and never had that happen to me.

    There were a number of "safe ANSI" TSRs to replace the standard DOS ANSI.SYS.


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Friday, February 02, 2018 12:35:00
    There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might be N>easier to get running on a Mac. You should be able to run it inside Windows N>via Boot Camp or a VM (with Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc.). The only N>thing is that although the Win95 version is 32-bit, its installer is 16-bit, N>you may have to use a 32-bit Windows in order for it to work. I made my own N>custom installer for SimCity 2000 once so that I could install it in a 64-bit N>Windows (which can't run 16-bit applications)..

    I think there was actually one for the Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100
    laptop.

    Daryl

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Daryl Stout on Friday, February 02, 2018 12:31:58
    Re: SimCity
    By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Fri Feb 02 2018 12:35 pm

    There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might

    I think there was actually one for the Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100 laptop.

    I thought Tandy/Radio Shack had stopped making computers long before SimCity came out.. At least newer versions of SimCity.

    Nightfox

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  • From Neozeed@VERT to Daryl Stout on Friday, February 02, 2018 22:58:17
    Re: SimCity
    By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Fri Feb 02 2018 12:35 pm

    There is a Windows 95 version of SimCity 2000 as well. That one might be N>easier to get running on a Mac. You should be able to run it inside Windows N>via Boot Camp or a VM (with Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc.). The only N>thing is that although the Win95 version is 32-bit, its installer is 16-bit, N>you may have to use a 32-bit Windows in order for it to work. I made my own N>custom installer for SimCity 2000 once so that I could install it in a 64-bit N>Windows (which can't run 16-bit applications)..

    I would probably look at Wine on OS X, which should be able to run them all.

    Recently I've been playing SimCity for Windows 3.0 on Windows 10 via 'boxed wine', which is Wine 'fixed' to be in pure C, so it'll run on Windows, or even cross compiled to javascript ....

    But I can attest, that if you install Simcity 2000 for Windows 95 in a VM, you can copy the directory out, and run it native on Windows 10, although you do need to copy the registry keys... Hourse of fun, but then again once it's running it is hours of fun!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hawkeye on Friday, February 09, 2018 10:35:30
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Hawkeye to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 29 2018 09:12 pm

    Actually... QEMM386 was the reason I could solve a memory issue with a banking company running Novell Netware ELS II... I was able to use the videomem as extra memory for the basemem and they could run their own programmed application, which before they couldn't as the drivers of novell took too much memory. Thanks to my experience with my BBS DV/QEMM I could solve this easily while other netware gurus looked as me as a magician... hahaha.. good old times.

    Good times. QEMM, Deskview, and Borland Sidekick was my main platform before I discovered OS/2. Spent lots of time running the optimizer and celebrating having an extra 14K... This was before doing the same thing with OS/2 to optimize bootups. :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Friday, February 09, 2018 10:40:11
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jan 29 2018 06:08 pm

    I never tried running two nodes under it, but I was able to read QWK mail or use a sysop online mail package while the board was up in another window. I got a lot out of my 386-40 with Desqview. Only thing that I did

    Those AMD 386/40 chips were impressive. They felt faster than the Intel 386s and just a step below an entry-level 486.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 09, 2018 12:47:22
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 09 2018 10:40 am

    Those AMD 386/40 chips were impressive. They felt faster than the Intel 386s and just a step below an entry-level 486.

    Yep, I had an AMD 386DX-40 for a little while back in the day. I think AMD was late to the 386 game, since they had reverse-engineered Intel's 386, but it seemed they were a step ahead with their DX-40, which semed fairly popular.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Friday, February 09, 2018 18:18:00
    Those AMD 386/40 chips were impressive. They felt faster than the Intel 386s and just a step below an entry-level 486.

    Back then I was working as a computer consultant. When we'd be out at a client's site, or even in my own office, I would be using a 486 and I
    honestly didn't think I was missing much back home with the 386/40.

    I was still using it when Pentium 2's or 3's came out. I finally had to
    move on to a Pentium because I wanted to try out linux with xwindows. The
    386 could handle a text-only slackware install of the time, but I needed something with more power (and probably better video) for x.

    It would run Desqview/X OK, though. :)

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, February 12, 2018 20:16:43
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hawkeye on Fri Feb 09 2018 10:35:30

    Good times. QEMM, Deskview, and Borland Sidekick was my main platform before I discovered OS/2. Spent lots of time running the optimizer and celebrating having an extra 14K... This was before doing the same thing with OS/2 to optimize bootups. :)
    exactly.... qemm and later os2.. needed uart 16550A for 14k4+ speeds on multiple nodes... os2 was amazing. also the support. real competent IT profs and not like now trained telephone monkeys.

    sadly win95 support never came.... and os2 lost...

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 08:27:00
    Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    exactly.... qemm and later os2.. needed uart 16550A for 14k4+ speeds on multiple nodes... os2 was amazing. also the support. real competent IT profs and not like now trained telephone monkeys.

    Seems the common path - DOS, QEMM/DV, then OS/2. Yes, OS/2 was awesome, that was a system I loved.

    sadly win95 support never came.... and os2 lost...

    It was the lack of Win32 support that killed OS/2 for me too. There was a lack of native apps (Most weren't porting to OS/2 by then), and the world was moving on. :( By this time, the light at the end of the tunnel was Linux, which rapidly proved to be a capable server OS that I could depend on. Today, I use Linux for all of my server functions (including BBSs).


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 15:51:02
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Wed Feb 14 2018 08:27 am

    It was the lack of Win32 support that killed OS/2 for me too. There was a lack of native apps (Most weren't porting to OS/2 by then), and the world was moving on. :( By this time, the light at the end of the tunnel was

    I've heard that OS/2's support of Windows apps may have actually contributed to the death of OS/2. At the time, Windows was gaining popularity, and many developers thought they might as well write their applications for Windows, since it would run in Windows and OS/2's Windows compatibility layer. So Windows users happily got their Windows applications, which allowed Windows to continue to take off, and OS/2 didn't get as many native apps as it possibly could have.

    Nightfox

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to VK3JED on Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:00:00
    Tony,

    ... I distinctly remember forgetting that.

    Q. What do we want??
    A. Better memory!!
    Q. When do we want it??
    A: Want want??!! <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 15, 2018 19:20:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've heard that OS/2's support of Windows apps may have actually contributed to the death of OS/2. At the time, Windows was gaining popularity, and many developers thought they might as well write their applications for Windows, since it would run in Windows and OS/2's
    Windows compatibility layer. So Windows users happily got their
    Windows applications, which allowed Windows to continue to take off,
    and OS/2 didn't get as many native apps as it possibly could have.

    I've heard that too, but in reality, many Windows apps would not run on OS/2 (or NT for that matter), because they made use of VXDs, which are fundamentally incompatible with those OSs. I can't recall if Win32S was supported by OS/2, whih was also increasingly used at the time in Windows 3.x.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Saturday, February 10, 2018 08:21:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-


    I was still using it when Pentium 2's or 3's came out. I finally had
    to move on to a Pentium because I wanted to try out linux with
    xwindows. The 386 could handle a text-only slackware install of the
    time, but I needed something with more power (and probably better
    video) for x.

    One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Saturday, February 10, 2018 08:23:00
    Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-

    Bill Gates statement of "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anybody"
    comes to mind. :P

    People often attribute that to Bill Gates, but from what I've heard, he probably didn't actually say that.

    Ken Olsen did confirm that he thought the market for home PCs would max out
    at a few dozen.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 15, 2018 09:49:18
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 10 2018 08:21 am

    One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)

    I remember trying out Linux back in those days (mid 90s) when you had to recompile the kernel to add/remove drivers.. There was a kernel config program with a long list of questions of what support & drivers you wanted in the kernel (and if you made a mistake, you had to quit and restart it). Years later (around 2004), I was trying out Gentoo Linux, which let you compile everything as it was installed, and I remember things like Gnome and OpenOffice taking hours to compile. I'd let that go overnight and sometimes it was still finishing up compiling in the morning when I woke up.

    Nightfox

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  • From Ed Vance@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Daryl Stout on Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:05:00
    02-14-18 11:00 Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED about Re: Nightfox??
    Howdy! Daryl,

    @VIA: VERT/TBOLT
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    Tony,

    ... I distinctly remember forgetting that.

    Q. What do we want??
    A. Better memory!!
    Q. When do we want it??
    A: Want want??!! <G>

    Daryl

    I tried making Your Q. A.'s as a Tagline, Thanks, 73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Deusx@VERT/DECAFBAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 15, 2018 22:19:52
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 10 2018 08:21 am

    One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)

    Holy crap - I just had like a major memory flashback about that. I totally remember installing Slackware Linux from like a foot-high stack of floppies and recompiling the kernel for 3c509 ethernet cards. We had a PC in our apartment that my roommates and I had assembled from literal trash rescued from a dumpster that we configured to act as a NAT router for our first-in-the-neighborhood cable modem.

    Totally have "3c509" burned into my brain after all that

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deusx on Thursday, February 15, 2018 15:35:19
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Deusx to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 15 2018 10:19 pm

    floppies and recompiling the kernel for 3c509 ethernet cards. We had a PC in our apartment that my roommates and I had assembled from literal trash rescued from a dumpster that we configured to act as a NAT router for our first-in-the-neighborhood cable modem.

    That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 15, 2018 19:58:26
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Wed Feb 14 2018 08:27:00

    It was the lack of Win32 support that killed OS/2 for me too. There was a lack of native apps (Most weren't porting to OS/2 by then), and the world was moving on. :( By this time, the light at the end of the tunnel was Linux, which rapidly proved to be a capable server OS that I could depend on. Today, I use Linux for all of my server functions (including BBSs).

    I think because we know all this we can use ANY OS for any function... I remember as a consultant lots of competition were not able to think and choose other brands as the certification was able to do... I love to mix. Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu 16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)

    I like to see the cons and pros of every OS...

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Thursday, February 15, 2018 20:03:32
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Tue Feb 13 2018 15:51:02

    I've heard that OS/2's support of Windows apps may have actually contributed to the death of OS/2. At the time, Windows was gaining popularity, and many developers thought they might as well write their applications for Windows, since it would run in Windows and OS/2's Windows compatibility layer. So Windows users happily got their Windows applications, which allowed Windows to continue to take off, and OS/2 didn't get as many native apps as it possibly could have.

    What I've noticed in that era that companies wanted Windows application and Microsoft and IBM got into a license disagreement which resulted in not working together anymore IBM with Windows NT and Microsoft on OS/2... It was sad, as OS/2 was way better then NT on that moment... the multitasking performance of OS/2 was like finally having a PC with Amiga-like multitasking :)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thursday, February 15, 2018 18:36:00
    One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)

    :o Glad I never tried that. :)

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  • From John H. Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to Nightfox on Thursday, February 15, 2018 20:04:00
    I remember trying out Linux back in those days (mid 90s) when you had to recompile the kernel to add/remove drivers.. There was a kernel config program with a long list of questions of what support & drivers you
    wanted in the kernel (and if you made a mistake, you had to quit and restart it). Years later (around 2004), I was trying out Gentoo Linux, which let you compile everything as it was installed, and I remember things like Gnome and OpenOffice taking hours to compile. I'd let that
    go overnight and sometimes it was still finishing up compiling in the morning when I woke up.
    Slackware -- The original Linux!

    Disk set A -- Basic System components
    Disk set D Development Series
  • From Deusx@VERT/DECAFBAD to Nightfox on Thursday, February 15, 2018 22:46:17
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 15 2018 09:49 am

    Years later (around 2004), I was trying out Gentoo Linux, which let you compile everything as it was installed, and I remember things like Gnome and OpenOffice taking hours to compile. I'd let that go overnight and sometimes it was still finishing up compiling in the morning when I woke up.

    Kind of like the old days when I would download software from BBSes at 2400 baud. Except in this case you have all the pieces and just have to wait for the computer to put them together :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Friday, February 16, 2018 09:23:19
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Thu Feb 15 2018 08:03 pm

    What I've noticed in that era that companies wanted Windows application and Microsoft and IBM got into a license disagreement which resulted in not working together anymore IBM with Windows NT and Microsoft on OS/2...

    It was the reverse, IBM went on to keep developing OS/2 and Microsoft developed Windows NT.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Friday, February 16, 2018 11:42:13
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Hawkeye to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 15 2018 07:58 pm

    Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu 16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)

    I like to see the cons and pros of every OS...

    I was often like that as well. In the 90s, for a while I had a multi-boot setup on my PC with Windows, Linux, OS/2, and BeOS.. With OS/2 going away, at the time I thought BeOS looked promising, as it was fairly polished and multi-tasked very well. Unfortunately BeOS wasn't successful in the market, although since then I've seen HaikuOS, which is an open-source clone of BeOS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Friday, February 16, 2018 20:20:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think because we know all this we can use ANY OS for any function...
    I remember as a consultant lots of competition were not able to think
    and choose other brands as the certification was able to do... I love
    to mix. Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu
    16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)

    I like to see the cons and pros of every OS...

    I have a fairly heterogenous network here too. No MacOS at this point in time, but I used to run OS X 10.6, until the MacBook dies. Currently have Windows XP, 7 and 10, Linux Mint, Debian (6, 7 and 9), Raspian 7, and iOS and Android, at least. :)

    I like Windows as a desktop OS, though Linux is sometimes better on network bound applications (Thunderbird runs like a dog here on Windows, flies on Linux Mint when using IMAP). For servers, Linux's appeal is the ability to run without a GUI (saves a lot of RAM when headless). I also like cron, as well as the ease of starting daemons, and scripting in the common shells (I usually use BASH). And of course, if I do need a GUI on a Linux box, it can be just a ""startx" away. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 16, 2018 22:02:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and
    installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)

    I installed Linux on a 386 with 4M RAM, compiling the kernel took around 6 hours, IIRC.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 16, 2018 22:04:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Ken Olsen did confirm that he thought the market for home PCs would max out at a few dozen.

    Out by many orders of magnitude! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deusx on Friday, February 16, 2018 22:06:00
    Deusx wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Holy crap - I just had like a major memory flashback about that. I
    totally remember installing Slackware Linux from like a foot-high stack
    of floppies and recompiling the kernel for 3c509 ethernet cards. We had
    a PC in our apartment that my roommates and I had assembled from
    literal trash rescued from a dumpster that we configured to act as a
    NAT router for our first-in-the-neighborhood cable modem.

    My first NAT router was a PC running Linux (and an IRLP node). However, before that, I ran Linux on the 386 without NAT, as I had a /28 block over dialup. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, February 16, 2018 22:08:00
    Nightfox wrote to Deusx <=-

    That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to
    build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a
    router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.

    It was fun, before the Chinese wonder boxes of today came along. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Saturday, February 17, 2018 08:07:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-

    What I've noticed in that era that companies wanted Windows application and Microsoft and IBM got into a license disagreement which resulted in not working together anymore IBM with Windows NT and Microsoft on
    OS/2... It was sad, as OS/2 was way better then NT on that moment...
    the multitasking performance of OS/2 was like finally having a PC with Amiga-like multitasking :)

    Yes, disagreements between Microsoft and IBM certainly didn't help OS/2.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Saturday, February 17, 2018 08:08:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
    One of my techs back then took an old 386 with 2 megs of RAM and installed Linux on it -- he had to recompile the kernel to support the 3c509 ethernet cards we used. Recompiling took 2 and a half days. :)

    :o Glad I never tried that. :)

    And in those days, kernel modules didn't exist, so every time you wanted to change your drivers, you had to recompile the kernel. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deusx on Saturday, February 17, 2018 08:13:00
    Deusx wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Kind of like the old days when I would download software from BBSes at 2400 baud. Except in this case you have all the pieces and just have to wait for the computer to put them together :)

    Nah, never had the online credits from other BBSs, but I did kick off overnight FTP downloads on packet radio. :D Zmodem was a godsend though, at least one could resume file downloads. ;)


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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to ED VANCE on Friday, February 16, 2018 12:02:00
    Ed,

    I tried making Your Q. A.'s as a Tagline, Thanks, 73 de Ed W9ODR . .

    ... Q.What do we want? A.Better memory!! Q.When do we want it?? A.Want what?

    I'll have to see if I can do that. The one bad thing about OLX is that
    it has smaller tagline size limits. But, with all the problems I've had
    with Multi-Mail, I'm just using OLX, as I've got to have my QWK Mail
    fix. :P

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to NIGHTFOX on Friday, February 16, 2018 12:05:00
    That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC N>to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up N>lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I N>thought that was worth it for a router.

    A fellow ham radio operator had found an "antique" computer...with a
    monitor, keyboard, mouse, and 2 floppy drives (but no hard drive), at a
    flea market. The floppies were a 3.5" and a 5.25" one.

    So, on the 3.5" floppy, I put a "startup disk" with command.com and
    related items...then, on the 5.25" floppy, the terminal mode of GT Power software, so he could logon to the area dial-up BBS's to play the games,
    etc. -- and all without a hard drive!!

    Daryl

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  • From Deusx@VERT/DECAFBAD to Nightfox on Saturday, February 17, 2018 06:54:09
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Deusx on Thu Feb 15 2018 03:35 pm

    That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.

    Our trash router was built back around 1998 or so. If I remember right, there weren't really small consumer routers for that price at that point. I think we were even still using 10baseT coax cable for the ethernet network in our apartment. Good for Quake II matches at least.

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  • From Deusx@VERT/DECAFBAD to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 17, 2018 06:58:08
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Deusx on Sat Feb 17 2018 08:13 am

    Nah, never had the online credits from other BBSs, but I did kick off overnight FTP downloads on packet radio. :D Zmodem was a godsend though, at least one could resume file downloads. ;)

    I want to say I once totally ticked off a whole series of sysops on BBSes hosting FidoNet - because I figured out how to do FTP-by-email over a FidoNet email address. Kind of got around the download credits problem but tied up a bunch of packet transfers when I requested some Amiga software

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Saturday, February 17, 2018 06:37:00
    :o Glad I never tried that. :)

    And in those days, kernel modules didn't exist, so every time you wanted to change your drivers, you had to recompile the kernel. ;)

    I remember doing that at least once on a P-133 or 166 machine... it seemed
    to take all day on that one. I also remember the CLI utility that someone mentioned where you had to start over if you picked something wrong.

    Was glad when I did not have to do any of that any more. :)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Saturday, February 17, 2018 06:51:00
    That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC >to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a >lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I >thought that was worth it for a router.

    There used to be some small (as in, ran off a floppy) linux or BSD distros
    that would supposedly turn old hardware into a cheap router. I tried a
    couple and they never seemed to work. IIRC, I really pissed off one of the developers when he was not able to find my issue. :)

    So, as you point out, I found it cheaper (time-wise!) to buy one.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Saturday, February 17, 2018 17:42:16
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Fri Feb 16 2018 09:23:19

    It was the reverse, IBM went on to keep developing OS/2 and Microsoft developed Windows NT.

    They swapped out sources to incorporate their OS, but Microsoft broke the contract. IBM was started with Microsoft in jointventure on NT.... the intention was to cooperate, but MS bought IBM out. It was a big discussion who to use OS to run Windows, it was not exclusively MS with MSDOS and IBM with their PC-DOS, also DR-DOS came. IBM worked also on NT. I double checked it, and I remember correctly. You can find enough documents about this.

    Windows 3.11 for Workgroups had also LAN tech shared via Sytek. Sytek developed NetBIOS for IBM for the PC-Network program and was used by Microsoft for MS-NET in 1985.

    I remember the issues customers asked us by this change of intellectual properties ownership stopping this.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Saturday, February 17, 2018 17:47:40
    Re: OSes
    By: Nightfox to Hawkeye on Fri Feb 16 2018 11:42:13

    I was often like that as well. In the 90s, for a while I had a multi-boot setup on my PC with Windows, Linux, OS/2, and BeOS.. With OS/2 going away, at the time I thought BeOS looked promising, as it was fairly polished and multi-tasked very well. Unfortunately BeOS wasn't successful in the market, although since then I've seen HaikuOS, which is an open-source clone of BeOS.

    I even now test new OS flavors but to be true.... they cant match the full grown counterparts. I even like AmigaOS etc... its fun... but some easy tasks done in Windows or MacOS are way too much actions or cant be easily done. UI friendly is nowadays important. Sounds strange but I feel Windows 10 is handling things more friendly than MacOS 10.13 (latest vs latest). I can drag and drop photos from file location to a website and it works (in every browser) while on MacOS no go... in 2018???

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 17, 2018 17:51:06
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Fri Feb 16 2018 20:20:00

    to mix. Here in home we run almost any OS available... iOS9/11, MacOS 10.13, Windows 10 Pro, Windows Server 2016, Debian 9, Ubuntu 16.04/17.10, Android 7.0.1, EdgeOS and I'm sure I forgot some :)
    I have a fairly heterogenous network here too. No MacOS at this point in time, but I used to run OS X 10.6, until the MacBook dies. Currently have Windows XP, 7 and 10, Linux Mint, Debian (6, 7 and 9), Raspian 7, and iOS and Android, at least. :)

    I like to test and my wife has an iPhone so I told her an iMac in the living would not be bad ;) she bought it... i bought it second hand and replaced the hdd with a 500 GB SSD... nice looking and fast and not that expensive.

    95% customers here ask Windows/VMware combos.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deusx on Sunday, February 18, 2018 06:16:00
    Deusx wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I want to say I once totally ticked off a whole series of sysops on
    BBSes hosting FidoNet - because I figured out how to do FTP-by-email
    over a FidoNet email address. Kind of got around the download credits problem but tied up a bunch of packet transfers when I requested some Amiga software

    Hahaha oops! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Sunday, February 18, 2018 06:24:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

    I remember doing that at least once on a P-133 or 166 machine... it
    seemed to take all day on that one. I also remember the CLI utility
    that someone mentioned where you had to start over if you picked
    something wrong.

    Gee, I was already using modular kernels, by the time I was using that class of machine. ;)

    Was glad when I did not have to do any of that any more. :)

    Yeah, though some distros make you jump through hoops, if you want to install the full source to roll your own. Ran into this with CentOS, at least, when I needed features that were disabled (i.e. not available as modules) in the stock kernels.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Sunday, February 18, 2018 17:38:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I like to test and my wife has an iPhone so I told her an iMac in the living would not be bad ;) she bought it... i bought it second hand and replaced the hdd with a 500 GB SSD... nice looking and fast and not
    that expensive.

    Nice. :)

    95% customers here ask Windows/VMware combos.

    For what sort of setup? Desktop? VPS?


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/DMINE to DARYL STOUT on Sunday, February 18, 2018 14:30:00
    @VIA: VERT
    @MSGID: <5A872321.4164.dove-general@wx1der.dyndns.org>
    @REPLY: <5A85C547.28091.dove-gen@capitolcityonline.net>
    Ed,

    I tried making Your Q. A.'s as a Tagline, Thanks, 73 de Ed W9ODR . .

    ... Q.What do we want? A.Better memory!! Q.When do we want it?? A.Want what

    I'll have to see if I can do that. The one bad thing about OLX is that
    it has smaller tagline size limits. But, with all the problems I've had
    with Multi-Mail, I'm just using OLX, as I've got to have my QWK Mail
    fix. :P

    You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Bother!" said Pooh, as he puked on Christopher Robin.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to GAMGEE on Monday, February 19, 2018 15:14:00
    You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.

    OLX was what followed SLMR.

    Daryl

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 22, 2018 09:39:03
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Feb 15 2018 07:20 pm

    I've heard that too, but in reality, many Windows apps would not run on OS/2 (or NT for that matter), because they made use of VXDs, which are fundamentally incompatible with those OSs. I can't recall if Win32S was supported by OS/2, whih was also increasingly used at the time in Windows 3.x.

    Getting the windows subsystem to work in OS/2 was a pain in the ass. At one point they had parity, with browsers and Microsoft office apps that ran natively, but after a while the OS/2 apps suite looked like a bunch of also-rans. Remember Lotus Symphony? Remember trying to share office docs with Microsoft Office?

    I still loved running console apps - I had 2 BBS nodes running Maximus, Binkleyterm and TimED, all native apps. Qedit for OS/2, and Minicom, an OS/2 comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box, and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Deusx on Thursday, February 22, 2018 09:43:56
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Deusx to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 15 2018 10:19 pm

    Totally have "3c509" burned into my brain after all that

    I kept a stash of 3c509s around when I'd turn boxes into routers - use the 3c509 in an ISA slot for the WAN port, since you didn't need the speed, and use a PCI network card for the LAN.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 22, 2018 09:46:05
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to Deusx on Thu Feb 15 2018 03:35 pm

    That's cool. Back in the day, I thought it would have been fun to build a PC to use as a router, but then I felt like you could buy a router that took up a lot less space and probably used less power for within $100-$200 or so, and I thought that was worth it for a router.

    Back in 2000, I had a Linux box with 2 NICs; I used IPTABLES to firewall off the rest of the network, and used the box to host a web site, mail, etc. Not the most secure setup, but back then it was a good learning environment.

    When I had more hardware lying around, I used a box as a router - it wasn't until I got a WRT54G router and open firmware that I got rid of the box as a router.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:36:27
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 22 2018 09:39 am

    I still loved running console apps - I had 2 BBS nodes running Maximus, Binkleyterm and TimED, all native apps. Qedit for OS/2, and Minicom, an OS/2 comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box, and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.

    I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOS than DOS".

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 23, 2018 07:14:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Getting the windows subsystem to work in OS/2 was a pain in the ass. At

    I had the version which included Windows, so from memory, it "just worked".

    one point they had parity, with browsers and Microsoft office apps that ran natively, but after a while the OS/2 apps suite looked like a bunch
    of also-rans. Remember Lotus Symphony? Remember trying to share office docs with Microsoft Office?

    Yeah, I used to use Netscape on OS/2, which was on a par with Netscape for Windows of the day. I never had the native Office apps. And in those days, it was a pain to share ANYTHING with Microsoft Office. Even Microsoft's own "Works" suite was incompatible, a fact that caused endless headaches when I was working in IT. Invariable, someone would do some work at home, then bring it into the office, only to find they couldn't get it to load. And when I was called in to investigate, there's this .wks file on their floppy disk. Yep, another one caught out using Microsoft Works. :)

    I still loved running console apps - I had 2 BBS nodes running Maximus, Binkleyterm and TimED, all native apps. Qedit for OS/2, and Minicom, an OS/2 comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with
    specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box,
    and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.

    Yeah, console and DOS apps were great under OS/2. I ran RA, and an all DOS system, but it multitasked well. Actually, in those days, I had a triple boot system - DOS, OS/2 and Windows NT 4, and I had the BBS configured so it would run under any of the OSs (each OS had a special start batch file that setup any necessary things, before handing control to the main BBS). I also had the NT 3.51 HPFS driver installed, so NT4 could see the HPFS partitions. The disk was laid out like:

    C: DOS boot and system (FAT16).
    D: BBS and other DOS accessible data (FAT16).
    E: OS/2 system drive (HPFS).
    F: Main general file storage (HPFS).
    G: Windows NT system drive (NTFS).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 23, 2018 07:33:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Deusx <=-

    I kept a stash of 3c509s around when I'd turn boxes into routers - use
    the 3c509 in an ISA slot for the WAN port, since you didn't need the speed, and use a PCI network card for the LAN.

    Things have changed nowadays, even the WAN port needs speed (minimum 100 Mbps here). :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to NIGHTFOX on Friday, February 23, 2018 06:23:00
    Quoting Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOS
    than DOS".

    it was better than DOS for running DOS apps. Many OS/2 sysops said the same thing.





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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Vk3jed on Friday, February 23, 2018 10:53:43
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Sun Feb 18 2018 17:38:00

    95% customers here ask Windows/VMware combos.
    For what sort of setup? Desktop? VPS?
    IT departments, mostly onsite some remote locations for insurance/law reasons. Infrastructure projects mostly.

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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 23, 2018 11:02:38
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 22 2018 09:39:03

    comm app ran like a charm on a 486. I ran DOS windows with specific versions of DOS to run Lantastic networking with a DOS box, and it all worked when Windows3.11 would barely do a fraction of that.

    True sometimes I wonder why not always the best solution survive.

    Amiga lost because of the custom chips which were too expensive compared to the IBM PC/clones solutions. Now look at Apple.... introducing something new (ahum) custom chips for handling face recognition on the iPhone and some custom chips are also comming to iMac etc... new? But o boy what was the Amiga a powerhouse when doing multitasking and media...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Friday, February 23, 2018 08:37:10
    Re: Tagline Thief Re: Nightfo
    By: Gamgee to DARYL STOUT on Sun Feb 18 2018 02:30 pm

    You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.

    There's another DOS reader called OFFLINE that works pretty well, is a little prettier than SLMR, and it's free - BBS file areas normally have it.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, February 23, 2018 08:49:19
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 22 2018 12:36 pm

    I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOS than DOS".

    That was their tagline - "A better DOS than DOS, a better Windows than Windows". I can't vouch for Windows, but for console apps OS/2 rocked. OS/2 console apps could run and multitask MUCH better than DOS apps under Windows, and you could create a Virtual DOS Machine (VDM) to run a specific version of DOS or driver set in that window only.

    I used to have a DOS VDM that ran MS-DOS and LANtastic network drivers, and I could communicate with my DOS PC over that window, and copy files to/from the rest of the OS/2 environment, as well as use the screen sharing in LANTastic.

    For kicks at work, I used our Novell comm server to dial out to 4 separate BBSes at the same time, using an OS/2 comm app - worked like a charm.

    OS/2 ran out of gas for me trying to get TCP/IP and IPX/SPX working at the same time. We were a Novell shop and added an internet connection. To get IP working, I resorted to adding a second NIC, using an ethernet hub, and binding IPX to one card and IP to the other.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Friday, February 23, 2018 08:51:17
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 23 2018 07:14 am

    Yeah, console and DOS apps were great under OS/2.

    They were great on Windows 2000, too. One little-known feature was that W2K would run OS/2 console apps. They took that subsystem out in Windows XP.

    Qedit for OS/2 was my favorite editor of all time, and it ran like a charm in Windows 2K. Qedit for DOS under XP was jumpy and laggy.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Friday, February 23, 2018 08:53:29
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 23 2018 07:33 am

    Things have changed nowadays, even the WAN port needs speed (minimum 100 Mbps here). :)

    They sure have. My DSL line was 384k/128k, later upgraded to 1.5m/128k. Now Comcast has upgraded me to 250m/30m..

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hawkeye on Friday, February 23, 2018 08:59:49
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Hawkeye to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 23 2018 11:02 am

    Amiga lost because of the custom chips which were too expensive compared to the IBM PC/clones solutions. Now look at Apple.... introducing something new (ahum) custom chips for handling face recognition on the iPhone and some custom chips are also comming to iMac etc...

    I worked in telecom in the 90s, mostly supporting Northern Telecom PBXes. Sort of like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse. :)

    NT spent most of their development in the early days creating custom processors and microcode for their PBXes, but as time went on and commodity chips gained in power, they realized they could port their OS to commercial chips. They did first to Motorola 68K chips, then to Intel, and later separated the OS from the chip completely, wrote it as an app, and ran it on top of VXWorks.

    When you get a powerful enough CPU, anything is possible.

    Hewlett Packard used to design chips for their HP 10/11/12/15c calculators, now they have a low-power 386 chip in them and run an emulator of the original chip.

    Side Note: Microsoft plunged ahead with their New Technology platform, and touted Windows NT everywhere. It wasn't until they'd gotten the name out there that the folks at Northern Telecom reminded them that NT was already trademarked. It made Northern Telecom quite a bit of money in a hastily-executed licensing agreement.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 23, 2018 10:44:53
    Re: Tagline Thief Re: Nightfo
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Fri Feb 23 2018 08:37 am

    Re: Tagline Thief Re: Nightfo
    By: Gamgee to DARYL STOUT on Sun Feb 18 2018 02:30 pm

    You could try SLMR. It's my reader of choice, now and in years gone by.

    There's another DOS reader called OFFLINE that works pretty well, is a little prettier than SLMR, and it's free - BBS file areas normally have it.

    Same thing as Offline Express (OLX)?

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 23, 2018 11:19:11
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Fri Feb 23 2018 08:51 am

    Qedit for OS/2 was my favorite editor of all time, and it ran like a charm in Windows 2K. Qedit for DOS under XP was jumpy and laggy.

    I used to use the DOS Qedit in actual DOS, and I liked it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hawkeye on Saturday, February 24, 2018 05:31:00
    Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    IT departments, mostly onsite some remote locations for insurance/law reasons. Infrastructure projects mostly.

    I can understand that, from an industry point of view.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 24, 2018 20:10:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, console and DOS apps were great under OS/2.

    They were great on Windows 2000, too. One little-known feature was that W2K would run OS/2 console apps. They took that subsystem out in
    Windows XP.

    I knew it was there, but never got around to trying it out.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 24, 2018 20:10:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    They sure have. My DSL line was 384k/128k, later upgraded to 1.5m/128k. Now Comcast has upgraded me to 250m/30m..

    I'm on 100/40M myself. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, February 24, 2018 20:35:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    OS/2 ran out of gas for me trying to get TCP/IP and IPX/SPX working at
    the same time. We were a Novell shop and added an internet connection.
    To get IP working, I resorted to adding a second NIC, using an ethernet hub, and binding IPX to one card and IP to the other.

    OS/2 netwoking got interesting to setup, though I only had to worry about running IP and some form of Windows networking. There were some issues, but I was generally able to share files.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Saturday, February 24, 2018 06:54:00
    I used to use the DOS Qedit in actual DOS, and I liked it.

    I am using it to respond to this message right now. :) It runs fine under dosemu and DOSBOX. I don't use it to edit any linux config files, though.
    It will goof those up, but it works just fine with "DOS" text.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Dumas Walker on Saturday, February 24, 2018 13:36:42
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 24 2018 06:54 am

    I am using it to respond to this message right now. :) It runs fine under dosemu and DOSBOX. I don't use it to edit any linux config files, though. It will goof those up, but it works just fine with "DOS" text.

    You could use programs like dos2unix and unix2dos to change those files so you can use qedit or any editor you are comfortable with. It's really just a matter of changing CR/LF to LF and vice versa.

    I use mcedit most of the time and it's save as feature lets me chose how to save the file.. Nano can also save files in either format.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to Vk3jed on Friday, February 23, 2018 18:35:58
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to NIGHTFOX on Fri Feb 23 2018 06:23 am

    I've heard people (IBM?) say OS/2 was supposed to be a "better DOS
    than DOS".
    it was better than DOS for running DOS apps. Many OS/2 sysops said the same thing.
    I have to agree, back when I ran OS/2, I used to use Ray Guinn's SIO drivers, with Vmodem included to allow my DOS applications to run over the internet. Just use ATDT vert.synchro.net eg. to dial up Vertraun using telix, or procomm, or whatever your favorite DOS term program is. And you can use settings for Hi-memory, Xms, etc. via a pulldown box setting...

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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, February 23, 2018 18:39:30
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Feb 23 2018 08:49 am

    That was their tagline - "A better DOS than DOS, a better Windows than Windows". I can't vouch for Windows, but for console apps OS/2 rocked. OS/2 console apps could run and multitask MUCH better than DOS apps under Windows, and you could create a Virtual DOS Machine (VDM) to run a specific version of DOS or driver set in that window only.
    I used to love using Family Mode apps in OS/2, you could run them in a DOS VDM as a DOS application, or in OS/2 as an OS/2 application! I used to have the tools to create family mode apps using Borland Pascal / DOS with the appropriate patches setup. Sadly, I no longer have the disk, or the disk drive.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Saturday, February 24, 2018 15:38:35
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 24 2018 06:54 am

    I used to use the DOS Qedit in actual DOS, and I liked it.

    I am using it to respond to this message right now. :) It runs fine under dosemu and DOSBOX. I don't use it to edit any linux config files, though. It will goof those up, but it works just fine with "DOS" text.

    How do you quote messages with Qedit?
    And I imagine it probably saves with DOS line endings (CR+LF), and Linux software typically assumes only one character (CR?) at the end of the line.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Saturday, February 24, 2018 15:43:55
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 24 2018 08:35 pm

    OS/2 netwoking got interesting to setup, though I only had to worry about running IP and some form of Windows networking. There were some issues, but I was generally able to share files.

    A few years ago, I set up OS/2 in a VM, and I was surprised that it had to reboot in order to change the IP addres.. Modern operating systems don't have to reboot for that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to John Guillory on Sunday, February 25, 2018 14:25:00
    John Guillory wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I have to agree, back when I ran OS/2, I used to use Ray Guinn's
    SIO drivers, with Vmodem included to allow my DOS applications to run
    over the internet. Just use ATDT vert.synchro.net eg. to dial up
    Vertraun using telix, or procomm, or whatever your favorite DOS term program is. And you can use settings for Hi-memory, Xms, etc. via a pulldown box setting...

    SIO/Vmodem was just the icing on a very nice cake. OS/2 itself was a compelling upgrade for DOS BBS sysops, but SIO really added to the value.

    And OS/2 was such a solid multitasker for DOS apps. Rock solid and excellent performance.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, February 25, 2018 14:28:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    A few years ago, I set up OS/2 in a VM, and I was surprised that it had
    to reboot in order to change the IP addres.. Modern operating systems don't have to reboot for that.

    Windows had to reboot back then too. Only OS that didn't was Linux, from memory.


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  • From ispyhumanfly@VERT/EUPHORIA to Vk3jed on Sunday, February 25, 2018 14:24:02
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to John Guillory on Sun Feb 25 2018 02:25 pm

    And OS/2 was such a solid multitasker for DOS apps. Rock solid and excellent performance.

    Back around 96 or so is when I started playing with OS/2 Warp. I loved it. Though I never ran my BBS on it (used Deskview/X), it was my favorite graphical multi-tasking environment of the time. I wouldn't disover the X Windows system until a few years later.

    _ispy

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to AL on Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:16:00
    I use mcedit most of the time and it's save as feature lets me chose how to save the file.. Nano can also save files in either format.

    When I am on the "linux side" of the machine, I nearly always use mcedit
    also, if in a terminal. I sometimes fire up medit if I want to do a lot of copy-and-paste or other stuff that is easier with a mouse.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:17:00
    How do you quote messages with Qedit?
    And I imagine it probably saves with DOS line endings (CR+LF), and Linux software typically assumes only one character (CR?) at the end of the line.

    Well, I am calling it from SLMR under dosemu, so that is how it gets the
    quoted text. Otherwise, it would be a chore. :D

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JOHN GUILLORY on Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:37:00
    I have to agree, back when I ran OS/2, I used to use Ray Guinn's SIO
    drivers, with Vmodem included to allow my DOS applications to run over the >internet. Just use ATDT vert.synchro.net eg. to dial up Vertraun using telix, >or procomm, or whatever your favorite DOS term program is. And you can use >settings for Hi-memory, Xms, etc. via a pulldown box setting...

    I used vmodem until about a year ago when the bots started routinely
    crashing it. I could not figure out how to get it to accept traffic over a telnet port that was not 23, so I finally moved the DOS BBS over onto this machine and it works fine under dosemu. Now at least I don't have to keep
    2 PCs running for both boards.

    There are some things I still miss about it, though. That said, if I could have got the DOS BBS telnet-capable under desqview, I'd probably never have upgraded to OS/2. :)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to ispyhumanfly on Monday, February 26, 2018 11:19:00
    ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Back around 96 or so is when I started playing with OS/2 Warp. I loved
    it. Though I never ran my BBS on it (used Deskview/X), it was my

    Never used DV/X, only the classic text only DV, prior to using OS/2. DV was pretty awesome for the day, loved it too, though OS/2 was just that bit better, especially in regards to stability.

    favorite graphical multi-tasking environment of the time. I wouldn't disover the X Windows system until a few years later.

    I only use X on desktops, for the convenience of a GUI for general work. For just multitasking on a server (like a BBS), I just run headless in text mode.
    )


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  • From ispyhumanfly@VERT/EUPHORIA to Vk3jed on Monday, February 26, 2018 05:15:12
    Re: Re: Nightfox??
    By: Vk3jed to ispyhumanfly on Mon Feb 26 2018 11:19 am

    I only use X on desktops, for the convenience of a GUI for general work. For just multitasking on a server (like a BBS), I just run headless in text mode. )

    Yeah now days it's straight linux using a screen session so I can monitor the service remotely or restore the session at anytime. Works like a champ for me.

    _ispy++

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to ispyhumanfly on Monday, February 26, 2018 20:45:00
    ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah now days it's straight linux using a screen session so I can
    monitor the service remotely or restore the session at anytime. Works
    like a champ for me.

    That works. :)


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