Roadhog wrote to All <=-
Reading up a little on the laws for social media a potential emploer cannot ask you for your FB or other social media passwords, what they
can do is ask for you social media pages and they can go through
anything that is readily accessable to the pulic, they Can't ask you to log onto your social media pages and do an over the shoulder look
either.
So if your social media is locked down and they demand a password or over your shoulder look they DON'T have the power or the right to do that.
Reading up a little on the laws for social media a potential emploer
cannot ask you for your FB or other social media passwords, what
That sounds more reasonable. :) It is routine for companies to check out the public social media profiles of employees and potential employees.
Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I quit posting to my FB because certain friends and relatives go
bonkers on social media for some reason.
I still look at FB once in awhile but for me it's like a sewer of
idiots.
I quit posting to my FB because certain friends and relatives go
bonkers on social media for some reason.
Haha I don't care about those. :)
I still look at FB once in awhile but for me it's like a sewer of
idiots. [0m
Has its good places and bad, like any big city. :)
Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Has its good places and bad, like any big city. :)
I agree thats still why I have my FB account.
Has its good places and bad, like any big city. :)
I agree thats still why I have my FB account.
And I'm selective where I hang out there. :)
Reading up a little on the laws for social media a potential emploer cannot ask you for your FB or other social media passwords, what they can do is ask for you social media pages and they can go through
That sounds more reasonable. :) It is routine for companies to check out the public social media profiles of employees and potential employees.
Sure, but they can also find a way not to hire those people who don't comply. "Considering candidates that are a better fit for our company's unique needs", and all that.
Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And I'm selective where I hang out there. :)
I'm selective of all places I hangout at on the interwebs.
"... - .- --. .-.. .. -. . --. --- . ... .... . .-. ."
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ok, it took me a few clicks, but I finally found it. In 2012, six
states made it illegal. In 2013, seven more made it illegal. That's
all I can find. It's an article from 2014. If the rest of them made
it illegal between 2014 and 2017, GOOD, but I don't see it.
"... - .- --. .-.. .. -. . --. --- . ... .... . .-. ."
You don't say! :D Where else ya gonna put it? ;)
Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
IKR a tagline should go there and not at the top.
"... This tag provided free of charge, Taxes may apply."
ROADHOG wrote to ALL <=-
@VIA: OUTWEST
@MSGID: <59A43CD1.2750.dove-general@outwestbbs.com>
Reading up a little on the laws for social media a potential emploer cannot ask you for your FB or other social media passwords, what they
can do is ask for you social media pages and they can go through
anything that is readily accessable to the pulic, they Can't ask you to log onto your social media pages and do an over the shoulder look
either.
So if your social media is locked down and they demand a password or
over your shoulder look they DON'T have the power or the right to do
that.
"... Genius has its limits, Stupidity doesn't."
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DENN wrote to VK3JED <=-
I quit posting to my FB because certain friends and relatives go
bonkers on social media for some reason.
I still look at FB once in awhile but for me it's like a sewer of
idiots.
VK3JED wrote to DENN <=-
I still look at FB once in awhile but for me it's like a sewer of
idiots. `[0m
Has its good places and bad, like any big city. :)
DENN wrote to VK3JED <=-
I quit posting to my FB because certain friends and relatives go bonkers on social media for some reason.
I still look at FB once in awhile but for me it's like a sewer of idiots.
My wife taught me to group some people (co-workers, family members that
I don't want them to be able to see EVERYTHING, etc.) into a group
then I can post to all EXCEPT that group. ;-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
Has its good places and bad, like any big city. :)
Yep! And like any technology it can be used for good or ill. It
doesn't make it inherently EVIL, just another tool!
... We should back the Metric System every inch of the way.
As bad as it is that you have to use Facebook to remain
relevant in society these days, whatever comes next will
suck even more because at least Facebook is a website.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
sort.
As bad as it is that you have to use Facebook to remainYou mean like how Yahoo makes you click a button on your phone to login to your mail account via web, or any other app that checks your mail?
relevant in society these days, whatever comes next will
suck even more because at least Facebook is a website.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
sort.
As bad as it is that you have to use Facebook to remain
relevant in society these days, whatever comes next will
suck even more because at least Facebook is a website.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't been using Facebook as much as I used to..
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't been using Facebook as much as I used to..
I find BBS groups on Facebook to be ironic. Talking about BBSes on Facebook when you could talk about BBSes on BBSes seems counter-intuitive.
Zuckerberg and his crappy facebook need to be pushed into a whole and buried. It and him are worthless and I would not waste my time on that crap.
As bad as it is that you have to use Facebook to remain
relevant in society these days, whatever comes next will
suck even more because at least Facebook is a website.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
sort.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
sort.
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't been using Facebook as much as I used to..
Re: Facebook
By: Pparker to All on Thu Feb 22 2018 06:43 am
As bad as it is that you have to use Facebook to remain
relevant in society these days, whatever comes next will
suck even more because at least Facebook is a website.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
Zuckerberg and his crappy facebook need to be pushed into a whole and buried. It and him are worthless and I would not waste my time on that crap.
Re: Facebook
By: Nightfox to Pparker on Thu Feb 22 2018 08:58 am
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't been using Facebook as much as I used to..
I find BBS groups on Facebook to be ironic. Talking about BBSes on Facebook when you could talk about BBSes on BBSes seems counter-intuitive.
Re: Facebook
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Feb 23 2018 08:44 am
I find BBS groups on Facebook to be ironic. Talking about BBSes on Facebook when you could talk about BBSes on BBSes seems counter-intuitive.
One use I could see for a BBS group on Facebook is perhaps to spread the word and generate interest for people who don't know about BBSes. And it might be more convenient in some cases too - for instance, on a smartphone, it can be easier to access something like Facebook compared to a text-based telnet interface of a BBS.
i had a big bbs group with a few thousand people. i could never get people to get BACK into bbsing. i've also done this with other types of social media. they talk about how good it was, but they wont come back.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One use I could see for a BBS group on Facebook is perhaps to spread
the word and generate interest for people who don't know about BBSes.
And it might be more convenient in some cases too - for instance, on a smartphone, it can be easier to access something like Facebook compared
to a text-based telnet interface of a BBS.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i had a big bbs group with a few thousand people. i could never get
people to get BACK into bbsing. i've also done this with other types
of social media. they talk about how good it was, but they wont come
back.
I now have a DOSBox session on my phone that I can use Telix and Bluewave in for offline mail. :) Was using it yesterday on the 4 hour bus trip down her :) Gotta sort out an issue with uploadinf reply packets, to see if it's a Synchronet bug or something else. That's a project for after I get home, unless I can copy Telix's buffer or something while on the phone to capture error message for DM to investigate.
Re: Facebook
By: Nightfox to Pparker on Thu Feb 22 2018 08:58 am
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people w don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't be using Facebook as much as I used to..
I find BBS groups on Facebook to be ironic. Talking about BBSes on Facebook when you could talk about BBSes on BBSes seems counter-intuitive.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i had a big bbs group with a few thousand people. i could never get people to get BACK into bbsing. i've also done this with other types of social media. they talk about how good it was, but they wont come back.
Best way to get back into BBSing is to log into one or set one up, like I di :)
... Crayons can take you more places than starships. * Guinan
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who N>don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't been N>using Facebook as much as I used to..
True... we don't have to use it, nobody forces us. but the connection with my H>family and friends is easy via facebook/messenger. Some days ago I made an H>appointment with my hairdresser. Her assistant planned me in but later she se H>me a pm via messenger for rearrange this. This are the moments I'm glad H>messenger exists.. don't want to come on a wrong date/time.
My wife is now in a medical rehabilitation for her heartdecease and I like to H>use facebook messenger to see/speak with her now and then. Makes it easier to H>support she is not at home at the moment.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i had a big bbs group with a few thousand people. i could never get people to get BACK into bbsing. i've also done this with other types of social media. they talk about how good it was, but they wont come back.
Best way to get back into BBSing is to log into one or set one up, like I did. :)
I'm interested in hearing more on how you were able to use DOSBox and Telix on your phone. Is it an Android or an iPhone? If an Androud, I would definitely be interested on how you got around the limitation of opening ports below 1024. It would be a much lighter resource for me to use DOSBox instead of Limbo.
Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm interested in hearing more on how you were able to use DOSBox and Telix on your phone. Is it an Android or an iPhone? If an Androud, I
would definitely be interested on how you got around the limitation of opening ports below 1024. It would be a much lighter resource for me to use DOSBox instead of Limbo.
facebook has ruined a lot of relationships and got people fired from jobs.
i wouldnt use it with my real name and information for many reasons.
i cant even be fb friends with my own gf because her friends are always starting shit.
my gf has been stalked online after joining certain heated discussions about abortion and politics and even received packages to prove they know where she lives.
one of them was rigged to shoot glitter in your face but i opened it up outside and upside down so it didnt get me. they ordered it off of a website. they could have just as easily done something weaponized.
The only reason I haven't been on Facebook...or had the BBS up for
that matter...is due to weather. Over 8 inches of rain has fallen here
Best way to get back into BBSing is to log into one or set one up, like I did. :)
website. they could have just as easily done something weaponized.
That's some serious drama.. I haven't known of anyone who was stalked to that extent though.
Can't remember the linux used but there is a smartphone just recently releas with a linux build on it.
It was in a podcast I listen to.
"... "La Quinta." Spanish for "Next to Denny's.""
You havre to use Magic DOSBox (free edition works fine), set it up with a serial port as a modem (I used com1). You can use any port, as inbound connectivity is not required. Add DOS comms and offline reader to your tast (I used Telix and Bluewave).
Chris wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I would be happy to just see more users now. We've got more than enough boards and sysops. We need people enthusiastic about posting and
carrying on discussions.
Of course I post about five times a year off and on, so I might not be
the person to make that battle cry but still...
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
they would call once and that's it.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A few years ago, one of my co-workers created an account on my BBS and
was playing LORD for a little while, but he stopped and hasn't been
back on since.. I think some people remember the past fondly but just aren't always interested in doing old stuff again.
Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ah, Magic DOSBox, I'll have to take a look. I don't use an offline
reader, but I would like to use Telix (or Kermit, if I can ever figure
it out).
Limbo/FreeDOS/MTCP does work, but it's insanely slow. The most common place I see it hang is when I connect to Digital Distortion BBS, and it would say, "Loading Message Pointers... 74.6%" or something like that. I've connected to Digital Distortion via SynchTERM on my desktop, and
it doesn't hang anywhere, so I know that it's not Nightfox's BBS. :)
I find BBS groups on Facebook to be ironic. Talking about BBSes on Facebook PF>when you could talk about BBSes on BBSes seems counter-intuitive.
Magic DOSBox is the only one I've found that supports the COM/modem emulatio All other DOSBox ports seem to have that functionality crippled for some reason. :(
Well, Telix works fine on my setup. :)
I've get Telix to work, and I'm using it as I type this message.
However, it does pester me that it's a 45-day evaluation. I may have to
go and see if Kermit will work and not be an evaluation copy.
I guess it depends what you want. I was never one to play games. Dabbled in a little BRE, but that's about it. I preferred to hang out in the message echoes, or if available, chatroom. :)
I find BBS groups on Facebook to be ironic. Talking about BBSes on
Facebook when you could talk about BBSes on BBSes seems
counter-intuitive.
You have a point...but, sometimes you can get answers much quicker.
one of them was rigged to shoot glitter in your face but i opened it up outside and upside down so it didnt get me. they ordered it off of a website. they could have just as easily done something weaponized.That's some serious drama.. I haven't known of anyone who was stalked to that >extent though.
I've get Telix to work, and I'm using it as I type this message. However, it does pester me that it's a 45-day evaluation. I may have to go and see if Kermit will work and not be an evaluation copy.
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Denn to Jagossel on Sat Feb 24 2018 09:14:47
Can't remember the linux used but there is a smartphone just recently releas with a linux build on it.
It was in a podcast I listen to.
I knew about the Ubuntu phone, but I couldn't find where to buy it a while ago. I will have to look it up again. It'll be cool to have and see if SyncTERM will even compile and run it.
Now, I do know that Android does use Linux as the kernel, and they just built their own Java VM and user interface.
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Feb 25 2018 02:27 pm
I guess it depends what you want. I was never one to play games. Dabbled in a little BRE, but that's about it. I preferred to hang out in the message echoes, or if available, chatroom. :)
That was me all day long. And warez. Hahaha... but I never got into the door games. Though, I'm just now gaining some interest. I've been playing Darkness by Jack Plash on the ink2 BBS. It's fun.
_ispy
I guess it depends what you want. I was never one to play games. Dabbled in a little BRE, but that's about it. I preferred to hang out in the message echoes, or if available, chatroom. :)
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sat Feb 24 2018 08:30 pm
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i had a big bbs group with a few thousand people. i could never get people to get BACK into bbsing. i've also done this with other type of social media. they talk about how good it was, but they wont come back.
Best way to get back into BBSing is to log into one or set one up, like I did. :)
they would call once and that's it.
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who don't use Facebook and they get along just
fine. These days I haven't been using Facebook as much as I used to..
Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've get Telix to work, and I'm using it as I type this message.
However, it does pester me that it's a 45-day evaluation. I may have to
go and see if Kermit will work and not be an evaluation copy.
However, this setup is with Magic DOSBox and Telix is so much faster
than using Limbo/FreeDOS/MTCP.
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I guess it depends what you want. I was never one to play games. Dabbled in a little BRE, but that's about it. I preferred to hang out in the message echoes, or if available, chatroom. :)
That was me all day long. And warez. Hahaha... but I never got into the
door games. Though, I'm just now gaining some interest. I've been
playing Darkness by Jack Plash on the ink2 BBS. It's fun.
And in doing so, it reminded that you could compile your QB program into an .exe for use on any dos or windows system... How funny.
Nostalgia.
Facebook is becoming more
and more a place where everything on the internet is happening. And, I mean, yeah there are tons of different news sites out there, and yeah people could've aggregated them
altogether for years if they used things like RSS, but the thing is that Facebook Pages have become an invaluable tool for companies to announce
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was similar. I used to hang out in the chat rooms sometimes and also browse the file areas & share files (mainly games and BBS-related
files). I'd sometimes read and post in the message areas too.
One use I could see for a BBS group on Facebook is perhaps to spread the word and generate interest for people who don't know about BBSes. And it might be more convenient in some cases too - for instance, on a smartphone, it can be easier to access something like Facebook compared to a text-based telnet interface of a BBS.
nothing will stop me from sending dick pics
ispyhumanfly wrote to Nightfox <=-
This lends itself to my recent challenge to all sysops to find new and clever ways of integrating their BBSs with social media. There is something to what you're saying. Equally to the point of attracting
more ex-BBS users looking for a revived experience unmatched on the
web.
i was on a few bbses that had lord and the amount of user interaction was through the roof while the msg bases were dead except for the fido feed.
Haha, I wasn't big into warez myself. I knew where I could get it from, as I knew people in that scene, but wasn't my thing. I helped bring one of the most diverse messaging experiences to this corner of the planet. Over 500 echoes on a dozen networks. Only Usenet had more. :)
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's pretty cool man. Did you know of aesthetic back then? He's a
friend of mine and killer ANSI artist from your neck of the woods.
attracting more ex-BBS users looking for a revived experience
unmatched on the web.
Yes, I agree. The BBS has a place, and combining it with newer technologies seems a promising avenue to try.
Get JoHo to give you a key for FrontDoor and use its terminal probram.
Sorry to but in, but how do you go about getting the free key for frontdoor. Thanks
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, I agree. The BBS has a place, and combining it with newer technologies seems a promising avenue to try.
One of, if not THEE reasons why I love Synchronet; its collection of services and utilities lend itself to innovation in this regard.
Yes, Synchronet is great for integrating with the Internet. I suspect some clever Javascript code could take it a lot further too.
I think there is certainly a place for both. And I'd actually challenge sysop I>to find better ways to integrate the two into their BBSs.
You havre to use Magic DOSBox (free edition works fine), set it up with a serial port as a modem (I used com1). You can use any port, as inbound connectivity is not required. Add DOS comms and offline reader to your t (I used Telix and Bluewave).
Ah, Magic DOSBox, I'll have to take a look. I don't use an offline reader, b I would like to use Telix (or Kermit, if I can ever figure it out).
I've thought about creating a group or page on Facebook about the BBS,
but I've been so busy with helping my elderly Mom with stuff...not to mention my work with ham radio and square dancing (two of my other hobbies), that I haven't had time to mess with it.
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We can pretty much take sbbs about as far as one could imagine. A lot
of it also has to do with what the bbs scene will adopt.
Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was able to use Kermit 3.14 (yes, that specific version), and it is a bit flakely in getting the terminal emulation configured. Some times,
it's correct and ASCII does appear; other times it misses the mark. Not
of a fan of typing in the following just to connect to a single BBS:
bbs
dial bbsdomainname.tld
connect
The "bbs" command is once per instance, thankfully.
I saw that Kermit has its own script interpreter, I may have a look
into creating a script that will run through the BBSes that I normally connect.
Overall, I'm loving this new setup: Magic DOSBox and Kermit. So much faster than using MTCP's Telnet on a FreeDOS VM in Limbo.
lot of it also has to do with what the bbs scene will adopt.
True. I live somewhere near the intersection of BBSs and more modern formats, so I'm very interested in this space. Unfortunately, I know no Javascript. :(
ispyhumanfly wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True. I live somewhere near the intersection of BBSs and more modern formats, so I'm very interested in this space. Unfortunately, I know no Javascript. :(
I live in the same place. Haha, I bet many of us here do. As for the js part, learn! :) It was my drive to mod my bbs that got me into js 12+
years ago. Modding synchronet, actually. You gotta start somewhere. So many good examples in exec/ directory of sbbs. Much more so than
existed 12 years ago.
Also, think of cool ideas and inspire some of the programmers here!
This is how we create the BBS scene of tomorrow.
I've thought about creating a group or page on Facebook about the BBS, but I've been so busy with helping my elderly Mom with stuff...not to mention my work with ham radio and square dancing (two of my other hobbies), that I haven't had time to mess with it.
When you find the time you'll find the time. We can only juggle so much. I>Especially with multiple hobbies. I get it.
Re: Facebook
I'm not sure that you "have" to use Facebook.. I know plenty of people who don't use Facebook and they get along just fine. These days I haven't been using Facebook as much as I used to..
Nightfox
they would call once and that's it.
Probably true for a lot of people these days.
I feel as though the people who have never signed up with Facebook are in a better position than those who have. It sounds nice connecting with folks we may not have talked to in forever, but on the other hand it is a nightmare.
I agree with anyone who is interested in BBS' these days usually turn into Sysops. So we're all out here on our own boards with no users. We need to
I agree with anyone who is interested in BBS' these days usually turn into Sysops. So we're all out here on our own boards with no users.
I feel as though the people who have never signed up with Facebook
are in a better position than those who have. It sounds nice
connecting with folks we may not have talked to in forever, but on
the other hand it is a nightmare.
How do you think it's a nightmare?
I think that's probably true, though I've had a few users who I don't think are sysops.
A long time from now, when social network sites such as Facebook might be out of style, I wonder if there will be people who will start up their own social network sites as a hobby, similar to how people these days end up becoming BBS sysops as a hobby. :P
I feel as though the people who have never signed up with Facebook
are in a better position than those who have. It sounds nice
connecting with folks we may not have talked to in forever, but on
the other hand it is a nightmare.
How do you think it's a nightmare?
Facebook is a joke and such a waste of good time. I sure can think of alot better things to do than waste my time on there. I wish facebook and Zuckerberg would disappear off the face of the earth . Plus Zucker is a crook and will screw anyone he can to get what he wants even his own employee's.
A long time from now, when social network sites such as Facebook
might be out of style, I wonder if there will be people who will
start up their own social network sites as a hobby, similar to how
people these days end up becoming BBS sysops as a hobby. :P
Now that would be the right idea have social networks on bbs's and be run that way. I think then things would be alot better.
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Feb 25 2018 02:23 pm
they would call once and that's it.
Probably true for a lot of people these days.
I agree with anyone who is interested in BBS' these days usually turn into Sysops. So we're all out here on our own boards with no users. We need to have a message thread started so we can get together like we used to do playing PC games in servers. "On the 15th of the month lets all log onto so and so's board at (a time) and have a shindig.. Hope you can make it!" We could do this in turn on several different boards and get more use out of them! Just a thought... It could be pretty damn awesome!
Ethan
A long time from now, when social network sites such as Facebook might be ou of style, I wonder if there will be people who will start up their own socia network sites as a hobby, similar to how people these days end up becoming B sysops as a hobby. :P
Facebook is a joke and such a waste of good time. I sure can think of alot better things to do than waste my time on there.
A long time from now, when social network sites such as Facebook might
be ou of style, I wonder if there will be people who will start up
their own socia network sites as a hobby, similar to how people these
days end up becoming B sysops as a hobby. :P
What are you saying? BBSes will be replacing social media at some point?
I closed my Facebook account, at least, 5 years ago. I gained a lot of time back by doing that; however, some of that is starting go into Twitter and BBSes.
in a better position than those who have. It sounds nice connecting with folks we may not have talked to in forever, but on the other hand it is a nightmare.
How do you think it's a nightmare?
Nightfox
out of style, I wonder if there will be people who will start up their own social network sites as a hobby, similar to how people these days end up becoming BBS sysops as a hobby. :P
Nightfox
I'm not sure if a social network run on a BBS would be much different than with something like Facebook. Actually, when I think about a 'social network', I think of something like Facebook, with a list of connections, their updates appearing in your news feed, etc.. BBSes don't really have that, exactly. If a BBS evolved into that, then it would be a social network, not a BBS.
Nightfox
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account years ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the restrictive 140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to 280 characters). But I don't really know anyone else who uses Twitter. So if I were to use Twitter, who would read my tweets? I don't think there's much point in using something for social media if nobody is going to be reading what I post..
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account years ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the restrictive 140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to 280 characters). But I don't really know anyone else who uses Twitter. So if I were to use
Re: Facebook
By: Jagossel to Mojo on Mon Mar 19 2018 05:52 pm
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account years NI>ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the restrictive NI>140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to
280 characters).
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Mon Mar 19 2018 05:47 pm
Nah, actually, I was just joking that perhaps in the future, people might be NI>running their own social network web sites instead of BBSes as a hobby..
Just the amount of information they suck out of us for one. Some phones even come with Facebook preinstalled and unremovable. It stalks us. It listens to our conversations. It sells our metadata. The people you like to keep a safe distance from on your friends list are ALWAYS the ones who reach out! lol These bloody phones have our entire routines and people we interact with down to the perfect algorithm. I just don't like it. It's the things nightmares are made of. It's too late to back out!
right here. Plus I don't feel like big brother is watching everything I do on a BBS. That's worth it to me.
in a better position than those who have. It sounds nice
connecting with folks we may not have talked to in forever, but on
the other hand it is a nightmare.
How do you think it's a nightmare?
Just the amount of information they suck out of us for one. Some phones even come with Facebook preinstalled and unremovable. It stalks us. It listens to our conversations. It sells our metadata. The people you like to keep a safe distance from on your friends list are ALWAYS the ones who reach out! lol These bloody phones have our entire routines and people we interact with down to the perfect algorithm. I just don't like it. It's the things nightmares are made of. It's too late to back out!
We need to pitch BBS'n to as many people as possible. I know a fella who has never been introduced to the world of bulletin boards, but he would fit in like a glove. I'm going to bring it up to him one of these days... I think he would thoroughly enjoy it! We'll see...
I'll tell you the thing I like the most and what draws me into BBSing are the fact that we can have much more quality conversations without all the hate and trolling. Now THAT gets old. It's flippin' everywhere. Social Media, countless website comment sections, not to mention YouTube comments. It's just trash. The only place I honestly think that it doesn't exist is right here. Plus I don't feel like big brother is watching everything I do on a BBS. That's worth it to me.
I have some of the worst grammar and vocabulary around, but it seems twitter is created for people with bad vocabulary skills and a very limited attention span. that's why it's so popular with a lot of our politicians.
it makes for great BBS updates though. other than that I see nothing of any use there.
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account
years ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the
restrictive 140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to 280
characters). But I don't really know anyone else who uses Twitter.
So if I were to use
i used it for announcing website downtime.
worked well for that.
sometimes it's a good way to get a direct line to a company when an email or support ticket will just rot
delivery). I've finally found Reddit to be the closest thing to those days. A lot of the style of conversations we used to have in the
Echomail days I find in Reddit forums now.
Many other social-networking sites on the internet seem like a step back from the atmosphere we used to have on BBSes with message forums. Reddit is about the first place where I can actually point to say "this is actually the experience I used to love, but only now it has been
improved by modern technology".
Nah, actually, I was just joking that perhaps in the future, people
might be running their own social network web sites instead of BBSes
as a hobby..
I think there was a project called "Diaspora" that was supposed to do that, except in a more networked fashion. It was almost like a
distributed Facebook that people would install in their own homes. It sounded both awesome and terrifying at the same time.
Kj4HBV wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Feb 25 2018 02:23 pm
they would call once and that's it.
Probably true for a lot of people these days.
I agree with anyone who is interested in BBS' these days usually turn
into Sysops. So we're all out here on our own boards with no users. We need to have a message thread started so we can get together like we
used to do playing PC games in servers. "On the 15th of the month lets
all log onto so and so's board at (a time) and have a shindig.. Hope
you can make it!" We could do this in turn on several different boards
and get more use out of them! Just a thought... It could be pretty damn awesome!
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account years ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the restrictive 140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to 280 characters). But don't really know anyone else who uses Twitter. So if I were to use Twitter who would read my tweets? I don't think there's much point in using somethi for social media if nobody is going to be reading what I post..
Just the amount of information they suck out of us for one. Some phones even come with Facebook preinstalled and unremovable. It stalks us. It listens to our conversations. It sells our metadata. The people you like to keep a safe distance from on your friends list are ALWAYS the ones who reach out! lol Th bloody phones have our entire routines and people we interact with down to t perfect algorithm. I just don't like it. It's the things nightmares are made of. It's too late to back out!
We need to pitch BBS'n to as many people as possible. I know a fella who has never been introduced to the world of bulletin boards, but he would fit in l a glove. I'm going to bring it up to him one of these days... I think he wou thoroughly enjoy it! We'll see...
I'll tell you the thing I like the most and what draws me into BBSing are th fact that we can have much more quality conversations without all the hate a trolling. Now THAT gets old. It's flippin' everywhere. Social Media, countle website comment sections, not to mention YouTube comments. It's just trash. only place I honestly think that it doesn't exist is right here. Plus I don' feel like big brother is watching everything I do on a BBS. That's worth it me.
I wish now I would not have made my views of facebook known. It was all a mistake and I will never say anything about ti again in a public forum.
Sorry for opening my big mouth.
I wish now I would not have made my views of facebook known. It was all a mistake and I will never say anything about ti again in a public forum.
Sorry for opening my big mouth.
delivery). I've finally found Reddit to be the closest thing to those
days. A lot of the style of conversations we used to have in the
Echomail days I find in Reddit forums now.
Nah, actually, I was just joking that perhaps in the future, people might be NI>running their own social network web sites instead of BBSes as a hobby..
I think there was a project called "Diaspora" that was supposed to do
that, except in a more networked fashion. It was almost like a
distributed Facebook that people would install in their own homes. It sounded both awesome and terrifying at the same time.
There is trolling sometimes on BBSes. It has been especially true on FidoNet (people sometimes call it "fight-o-net"), and I've seen occasional trolling on Dove-Net. It was like that even in the original BBS days. I
i used it for announcing website downtime.
worked well for that.
Do you have many followers on Twitter who follow you for web site updates?
a lot of people dont know what trolling is.
they think if someone disagrees with them that is trolling.
they think if someone argues that is trolling.
Nightfox wrote to Jagossel <=-
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account years ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the
restrictive 140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to 280 characters). But I don't really know anyone else who uses Twitter. So
if I were to use Twitter, who would read my tweets? I don't think
there's much point in using something for social media if nobody is
going to be reading what I post..
KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-
it makes for great BBS updates though. other than that I see nothing of any use there.
Rockapella wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
For the longest time, I had been pining for a good, modern version of Echomail or Usenet forums that would replicate the experience of the
old Fidonet/Othernet days (except maybe without all the politics around delivery). I've finally found Reddit to be the closest thing to those days. A lot of the style of conversations we used to have in the
Echomail days I find in Reddit forums now.
Many other social-networking sites on the internet seem like a step
back from the atmosphere we used to have on BBSes with message forums. Reddit is about the first place where I can actually point to say "this
is actually the experience I used to love, but only now it has been improved by modern technology".
Twitter, on the other hand, is like the old "Onelinerz" walls, but
without the local banter and inside jokes.
Rockapella wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-e
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Mon Mar 19 2018 05:47 pm
Nah, actually, I was just joking that perhaps in the future, people might
running their own social network web sites instead of BBSes as a hobby..
I think there was a project called "Diaspora" that was supposed to do that, except in a more networked fashion. It was almost like a
distributed Facebook that people would install in their own homes. It sounded both awesome and terrifying at the same time.
Nightfox wrote to Kj4HBV <=-
That may be true, but just the act of talking to someone you haven't talked to in a long time itself isn't a nightmare, I don't think.. :)
Nightfox wrote to Kj4HBV <=-
I like the idea, but at the same time, I'm not sure how well it would work. As much as I enjoy using a BBS, it's still something that is old technology and has since been surpassed by the internet & such. Trying
to pitch BBSes seems similar to trying to pitch black & white movies, going to the drive-in (when you could stream/watch movies at home), driving a classic car vs. a modern car, etc.. I'm not sure how many people would actually want to use a BBS, vs. more modern technologies.
Nightfox wrote to Kj4HBV <=-
There is trolling sometimes on BBSes. It has been especially true on FidoNet (people sometimes call it "fight-o-net"), and I've seen
occasional trolling on Dove-Net. It was like that even in the original BBS days. I don't think trolling is something specific to internet
forums or Facebook.. Wherever people talk to other people online in any form, I think there will be occasional trolling.
Nightfox wrote to KK4QBN <=-
I haven't really looked on Twitter for BBS updates.. Didn't realize people were using Twitter for that.
Jagossel wrote to Kj4HBV <=-
I'd be interested in how BBSing will be pitched. It might not be well received because of the need to have a Telnet client (or SynchTERM) in order to get the full experience (or at least close to it, without the modem and the handshaking noises).
Granted, there are web interfaces to BBSes, but it just ends up feeling like a forum.
I wish now I would not have made my views of facebook known. It was all a mistake and I will never say anything about ti again in a public forum.
Sorry for opening my big mouth.
I just heard on the news this morning that Facebook is going to
audited, in some way, to see if they have personal data still. Also
heard that they are under fire for having and selling it, and their
stocks are still falling...
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
a lot of people dont know what trolling is.
they think if someone disagrees with them that is trolling.
they think if someone argues that is trolling.
that is not trolling.
Nightfox wrote to Kj4HBV <=-
I've seen some big time trolling on BBSs, but by and large, there's also bee VK>real community feel there too. Much of "Fight-O-Net" was in the hierarchy, VK>rather than between users.
I've never really looked at Reddit, wouldn't know the first thing about it.
I never really saw much point in Twitter. I created a Twitter account years N>ago but never really used it. I think part of it is the restrictive N>140-character limit (now I heard it has been raised to 280 characters). But N>don't really know anyone else who uses Twitter. So if I were to use Twitter, N>who would read my tweets? I don't think there's much point in using somethin N>for social media if nobody is going to be reading what I post..
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Rockapella on Wed Mar 21 2018 11:18 am
It's more like a BBS than like Facebook:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bbs/
if you
understand me AND can offer what I want when I want, then I will spend, if you're honest and can answer any questions I have in a knowledgable way.
Excellent points, and we as a community need to make some decisions. Do we remain a niche retro interest? Or do we "modernise" BBSs to make them more relevant in the modern age. Even then, we'll probably still be a niche thing.
I do see scope to do a bit of both. The retro side is keeping alive a bygone era, and modern systems can run old software perfectly well in ways it was never intended to be used. Nut I also see the ideas of a BBS - simplicity, efficiency, community, with a dash of multiple access means as something useful and relevant to the modern age. Synchronet, for example, has some traits of a modern web forum (especially with ECWeb), but it also offers alternatives, some Internet style (mailing lists, NNTP) and some more retro (text based telnet, offline mail). An evolution in this direction could be very interesting.
I'm on Twitter, Google Plus, and Skype...but use them SPARINGLY in comparison to Facebook.
Rockapella wrote to VK3JED <=-
Very nod. I remember in the late 90's, one of the things that led me to decide to pack up the BBS and move on was the realization that 90% of
the echomail traffic I was getting on any of the given FTNs was in the Sysop-only forums, and it was always some bicker-fest or another about policy or rules. I think one of the last Fidonet/IMEx conversations I actually remember participating in was about the new-fangled "Planet Connect" thing and whether we should allow one of the sysops to bring echomail into our local region using PC and (gasp) charge for it.
I remember how Planet Connect was going to revolutionize both the speed and cost of our echomail delivery. It would only take hours for your message to reach the other side of the country instead of days.
And then I sold my PC, bought a Mac, enrolled in University, and was quickly introduced to USENET. Hole. Lee. Shyt. was that ever a culture shock for someone used to the BBS world. In both a good way and a bad
way.
Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Rockapella on Wed Mar 21 2018 11:18 am
I've never really looked at Reddit, wouldn't know the first thing about it.
It's more like a BBS than like Facebook:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bbs/
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Mar 21 2018 11:23 am
if you
understand me AND can offer what I want when I want, then I will spend, if you're honest and can answer any questions I have in a knowledgable way.
That probably describes most people. :)
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think BBS software would need to be modernized carefully; otherwise,
it could easily become just like any other modern internet experience (such as being just a web forum or game portal etc.) and not really be
a BBS the way we think of BBSes anymore. I think Synchronet has done a fairly good job of that, supporting the text-based user interface via telnet/RLogin/etc. while also integrating other servers so it can offer web, FTP, NNTP, etc..
I agree, although I'm not sure what direction would be best for its evolution. I seem to remember hearing some people suggest a mobile app which could take advantage of a mobile-style user interface to navigate the BBS.. I suppose that could work if done carefully, allowing people
to easily read & post messages, and if it could allow playing the text-mode games on a mobile device easily, that could be interesting.
Skype is more of an instant messenger/video chat program rather than a social networking app.. But yeah, I also have a Google Plus account but rarely use it.
Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Just having a look - looks more like a web forum, though performance is at t VK>higher end of what I've experienced. I am not a fan of web interfaces, for VK>performance and navigation reasons. There are reasons that I still use offl VK>mail, though I will offer web for those who _do_ like that method of access. VK>Everyone's different.
I just heard on the news this morning that Facebook is going to audited, in some way, to see if they have personal data still. Also heard that they are under fire for having and selling it, and their stocks are still falling...
I could have misunderstood, since it was 6:30AM when I these news clips...
Oh, there is trolling here at times... Granted, not as often. The conversations here are better quality, but it cab slip into trolling as well.
I just heard on the news this morning that Facebook is going to
audited, in some way, to see if they have personal data still. Also heard that they are under fire for having and selling it, and their stocks are still falling...
After all the yickty-yak about Russian interferance in the elections, the news I heard this morning was that FB allowed a third-party company access
to people's personal data (likes, etc) via some personality app. That company is not Russian, but is British.
I don't think there will ever be anything with quite the "charm" that BBSes - particularly BBS message forums - had, but a lot of that charm really stems from the technological limitations that we had to deal with in those days, and those limitations really don't exist anymore on the modern internet.
Rockapella wrote to VK3JED <=-
It is definitely a web forum (as are all modern forums these days), but
unlike most other forums I've seen, Reddit actually does a very good
job of organizing comment threads in a pretty coherent manner, and it
has a very good notification system for when you are either replied to
or mentioned in another comment. Most of the mainstream forums (called "subreddits") are quite well moderated, too.
I don't think there will ever be anything with quite the "charm" that BBSes - particularly BBS message forums - had, but a lot of that charm really stems from the technological limitations that we had to deal
with in those days, and those limitations really don't exist anymore on the modern internet. I would say, though, that of all the web-forums
that I'd participated in, Reddit is by far the closest I've ever seen
the modern internet come to matching the charm and community feel of
BBS messaging.
I'm not just talking about the charm, but also the efficiency and the assumptions made. BBSs were designed for efficiency - get as much through a slow modem as possible in a reasonable time. One of the traits of BBS messaging is it is very efficient. Network lad on the modern Internet is essentially zero (it is zero for offline mail). Offline mail itself was a product of this drive for efficiency - the ability to stuff several hours of reading and posting down an hour of modem time.
The Internet has tended to focus on fancy features, the uniquity of web broswers and graphical interfaces. This creates a medium that is attractive to look at (if well designed), and easier for newbies to access. However, it comes at the cost of efficiency - both in data access (now we're waiting for the network, back end database and in my case,
Very nod. I remember in the late 90's, one of the things that led me
to decide to pack up the BBS and move on was the realization that
90% of the echomail traffic I was getting on any of the given FTNs
whether leveraging QWK, or using something that can handle HTML, ANSI and ... Luxuriantly hand-crafted from only the finest ASCII.
text-based user interface via telnet/RLogin/etc. while also
integrating other servers so it can offer web, FTP, NNTP, etc..
I just heard on the news this morning that Facebook is going to
audited, in some way, to see if they have personal data still. Also
heard that they are under fire for having and selling it, and their
stocks are still falling...
People can disagree respectfully, or people can argue with people who disagree with them and call them names or say other hurtful things.
Whatever you call it, that has happened on BBSes and the associated message networks.
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Rockapella on Wed Mar 21 2018 11:18 am
It's more like a BBS than like Facebook:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bbs/
The BBS subreddit is pretty dead nowadays, but there is one really cool
Rockapella wrote to VK3JED <=-
It is definitely a web forum (as are all modern forums these days), butWhich suck for technical reasons for me. And the higher traffic on the VK>Internet compounds those issues.
Notifications are well and good, but they still require going back to the we VK>to interact with the system - umm, no thanks.
I'm not just talking about the charm, but also the efficiency and the VK>assumptions made.
BBSs were designed for efficiency - get as much through a
slow modem as possible in a reasonable time. One of the traits of BBS VK>messaging is it is very efficient. Network lad on the modern Internet is VK>essentially zero (it is zero for offline mail). Offline mail itself was a VK>product of this drive for efficiency - the ability to stuff several hours of VK>reading and posting down an hour of modem time.
Threading is of limited help, because of thread drift (we see it in here all VK>the time ;) ). The slow access means I can't use the most efficient thread VK>processor around (in my head), because the time cost to access data is so hi
And the navigation also tends to be a lot of scrolling and multiple clickin
which slows things down even more.
That's where software like Synchronet is a breath of fresh air - it offers VK>something web forums don't a choice of interfaces (including the web).
The BBS subreddit is pretty dead nowadays, but there is one really coolalso it's ran by a few guys that arent really bbs experts.
i find reddit quite boring, actually. everyone is trying to get upvotes. MR>i think they are using it wrong. it shouldnt be about upvotes, but it should MR>about community moderation for the bad posts [downvotes]
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Rockapella on Fri Mar 23 2018 06:48 am
These days, many people have broadband internet, so web sites can more or le NI>afford to have more web page content.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When the world-wide web was still fairly young (in the mid 90s), I remember web sites being fairly light and relatively responsive on
dialup modems. Dialup was how people generally accessed the internet
These days, many people have broadband internet, so web sites can more
or less afford to have more web page content.
Every so often, I sometimes look up an old version of a web site on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine (http://archive.org/web), and it's interesting to see how simple web pages used to look. You can look up many sites on there, such as Microsoft, Google, etc. and see earlier versions of their pages. For me it brings back memories of using the early Web and Netscape Navigator..
Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Vk3jed to Rockapella on Thu Mar 22 2018 07:49 am
Very nod. I remember in the late 90's, one of the things that led me
to decide to pack up the BBS and move on was the realization that
90% of the echomail traffic I was getting on any of the given FTNs
Yes. I lived it too and loved it! I became a modem junkie. Up all
night. I'd pass my wife in the hallway to go to bed when she was waking
up. So..it's 2018. How do we keep BBS's going when every user has their own board or is working on putting one up. Does anyone use Grex? I
can't believe a shell provider is so dead. Is the entire world in/on
the "Cloud"? Ack! My backspace key ain't working. Too be continued...
Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nobody knows what this shit is anymore. And I don't think they care.
What happens when the "Fossils" like me are no longer around? Give them
Rockapella wrote to VK3JED <=-
I'm curious what those technical reasons are. Do you live in a rural
area where you don't have a reliable broadband internet connection?
Because I do agree, the way most internet technology (read: web-based technology) is built these days, the assumption is that users of that technology will have fast, reliable internet access - and nowadays
the assumption is that most of those users will have that with them, in their pocket, at all times.
Notifications are well and good, but they still require going back to thee
to interact with the system - umm, no thanks.
Again, some context might be helpful here. Is there something inherent
in the web itself that you don't like, or is it the (usually abysmal) design of most web-based forums? If it is the former, I don't know what
to say - the web *is* the internet, for all intents and purposes
nowadays. If it is the latter, then it really depends on the design of whatever given site you decide to visit. As I'd said previously, as far
as web-based forums go, Reddit is, in my opinion, one of the best out there, especially for people used to the experience of BBS message
forums.
I'm not just talking about the charm, but also the efficiency and the
assumptions made.
There are a lot of safe assumptions when it comes to modern internet technology. As far as sites like Reddit go, they are still designed
around what was considered "modern" over ten years ago.
It depends on how you measure efficiency. BBSs were designed to move a
lot of text-based information through a very narrow (especially by
today's standards) pipe. When I first downloaded a "fully-loaded" QWK packet from Vertrauen to get re-acquainted with these message areas, I downloaded a couple of thousand messages in a packet that was less than two MBs. A day's worth of messages downloaded today was about 80k. I agree, that's efficient, if by efficient you mean "get a lot of text in
a small package".
Here's the thing though - the time it took me to download my QWK
packet, open up this mail reader, and just get my own personal messages was no quicker than the time it would have taken me to fire up a web browser, navigate to Reddit, and get a notification that there were personal messages waiting for me. In fact, it took longer, because I
had to log onto Vert to re-set my message pointers, because I had telnetted in over my lunch hour to just "browse" these messages earlier today (on Reddit, I could have just quickly gone back to my personal message folder and the messages would have still been there).
On the flip side, on Reddit I can see a *lot* more threads, sorted by
SIG, at a glance. I can see an icon or a hint of what the particular article is about before deciding to read it. I can see how many people
have participated. I can expand some articles on the front page and
give them a quick read, before deciding if I want to read further. I
can also click the links to related articles (especially since many
Reddit threads start as a link to other content on the internet). If
I'm reading a reply to an article by someone, and they make an
argument, they can hyperlink to content (that I can then choose to
click to follow, in a separate window, without losing my spot in the comment thread) to back up that argument. I can also hyperlink related content in my own reply for the same purpose.
And instead of trying to read it all on a single 80x24 monitor, I can
read it on multiple 23" monitors, positioned in Portrait mode.
And while some people deride this about Reddit, I do find Reddit's
voting system useful, if for no other reason than it helps prioritize "popular" articles of the day, both on the front page, and within the
more popular forums in which I participate. Some of the forums have thousands of new articles *a day*. I remember certain Fidonet echo
areas that might get a couple hundred total messages (including
replies) every day, and that was considered so high traffic that trying
to follow everything going on in those areas (even using offline
readers) a pretty hard task.
That is *my* definition of efficiency, and it is a level of efficiency that BBS messaging simply can't match, because the technology of the
day just couldn't handle the bandwidth required to support that kind of technology.
Threading is absolutely essential when you're talking about a medium
where you as an individual might actively participate in hundreds of articles (think - new conversations starting with someone's message to "All" in BBS terms) each of which could have several thousand responses within a day (or even more). Your head is an incredibly inefficient
thread processor - that's why even 20 years ago, Newsreaders like Agent had a graphical thread representation so you could keep your
conversations in order. The only reason why BBS offline messaging seems
so efficient to you in comparison right now is because the traffic is
so incredibly low by comparison. Guaranteed, the kind of volume that
even an average forum in Reddit handles would be impossible to keep up with using a QWK reader, even if you are only talking about the
text-based articles and comments.
That's where software like Synchronet is a breath of fresh air - it offers
something web forums don't a choice of interfaces (including the web).
I suppose, but the same could have been said for USENET or IRC or other internet technologies that have gone by the wayside. Most of those technologies (even personal e-mail and instant messaging nowadays) has been abandoned by most mainstream users in favour of web-based alternatives that really do the same thing, but without the need to set
up and configure software.
I enjoy participating here simply because I am a sucker for nostalgia,
and I used to be *huge* into the BBS scene. But there is next to no
real technical advantage nowadays to this kind of technology over web-based technology. It is a solution to a problem that has long disappeared for most people.
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to say - the web *is* the internet, for all intents and purposes
nowadays.
Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I did many a long mail session. 1 hour/day is a LOT of offline mail that ca VK>take many hours to read and respond to! :D Had many a late night on mail. VK>Also a couple of chat boards I could get on for a long chat session. :D
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Rockapella to VK3JED on Thu Mar 22 2018 10:11 pm
People tend to confuse the web and interenet, but I'd have to disagree, the NI>and internet are not the same. If you play a multiplayer game online, you NI>aren't using the web. If you're using a connected app on a mobile phone, yo NI>aren't using the web (at least, not directly). We as BBS users/sysops often NI>use our BBSes using telnet, which isn't the web. There's a lot you can do o NI>the internet that isn't the web.
Most modern online APIs these days are web-based using JSON and other web-services protocols.
Still nowhere near the performance of BBSs, which were also too slow and clumsy for me. I quickly moved to offline mail, because of the better and faster interface.
Rockapella wrote to VK3JED <=-
Yes! The Chat boards. A good friend of mine ran one of the only free multinode MajorBBS boards in our area, and he had six nodes going at
one point. There were also a couple of other systems in our city that
had several dozen nodes going where we'd do some good chatting. Was
pretty cool. One of the MBBS (and later WorldGroup) systems had
connected onto the internet early, so I got my first taste of the web
by connecting to them with Winsock.
When I got hooked up with a "real" ISP, I continued telnetting into the system, and just thought it absolutely awesome that I never had to deal with busy signals again, and that I could connect to the BBS while also doing other stuff "online".
MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
in the usa the web in the mid to late 90s was pretty decent speed via dialup.
I agree with anyone who is interested in BBS' these days usually turn into Sysops. So we're all out here on our own boards with no users. We need to have a message thread started so we can get together like we used to dothey would call once and that's it.Probably true for a lot of people these days.
I agree with anyone who is interested in BBS' these days usually turn
into Sysops. So we're all out here on our own boards with no users. We
It's hard but I see it too... they logon... and disappear... is it maybe to the new user message they get? they have to be validated? and people think, ok, i'm gone, nothing to see here.
It's hard but I see it too... they logon... and disappear... is it
maybe to the new user message they get? they have to be validated?
and people think, ok, i'm gone, nothing to see here.
Can you blame them? They have the whole darn internet to explore. And they can do it just by clicking a mouse. They say to themselves "Self" this may be one of those "hacker" computers I seen on ABC News. I'm getting out of here. CLICK!
It's hard but I see it too... they logon... and disappear... is it maybe to t H>new user message they get? they have to be validated? and people think, ok, i H>gone, nothing to see here.
Can you blame them? They have the whole darn internet to explore. And they c
do it just by clicking a mouse. They say to themselves "Self" this may be one H>of those "hacker" computers I seen on ABC News. I'm getting out of here. CLIC
New user validation is actually a fairly common thing though. If you create N>account on a web forum, or pretty much any site on the internet, they'll send N>you an email with a link to click to confirm yourself before you can log in a N>use the site. So I'm a little surprised people would be surprised or turned N>off by that on a BBS.
New user validation is actually a fairly common thing though. If you
create account on a web forum, or pretty much any site on the
internet, they'll send you an email with a link to click to confirm
yourself before you can log in a use the site. So I'm a little
You are correct in that. Of all the people that logon to websites or BBS's, I can tell you that not every single one of them tells the truth
of their identity.
Now, on setups, I don't want someone doing all the work for me (I've
heard of that happening, then the "Sysop" (I use the term loosely)
takes the credit for work he didn't do). If I'm shown the basic setup/syntax, etc., then I can take it from there.
They think on the first call, they're going to have "free reign" to
your computer, etc. To me, in this day and age, if you let a total, unknown stranger, into your home, you have a Death Wish.
It's hard but I see it too... they logon... and disappear... is it
Can you blame them? They have the whole darn internet to explore.create an account on a web forum, or pretty much any site on the internet, they'll send you an email with a link to click to confirm yourself before you can log in and use the site. So I'm a little surprised people would be surprised or turned off by that on a BBS.
The media has everyone paranoid about identity theft and "hackers" they don't want to create accounts unless they have to. That's my take on it anyway. You have to talk to people and see where they're coming from. They
Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
That's true. But I think user validation is more for preventing abuse
via creating multiple accounts (though I suppose a person could easily create multiple email addresses and use those for validation).
I agree. I think part of the fun of running a BBS is creating it yourself. If someone else does all the work, I don't think it's really your BBS that you're running. Also, in a way, if you're just going to
run a BBS that someone else has done all the work for, that's similar
to just setting up a stock BBS and running it as-is. It's good to put
in the work to make the BBS your own.
the fun. :) But each of us has different emphasis. I've never been strong on custimisation of the menus, that requires a lot of effort for the reward for me (I'm inefficient at it). But on functional matters, I like to create new functionality. :)
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Synchronet is different from other BBS packages I've seen in that Synchronet requires customization of a shell script if you want to
change your menu items. Other BBS software I've seen typically use a
menu editor to edit the menu commands and actions for your BBS. I
think there is a menu editor tool that someone wrote in JS for
Synchronet though (I think it's one of echicken's JS scripts..).
my girlfriend thinks we are all doing illegal shit and we are an underworld of >filth.
i said we were talking about fucking mcdonalds eggs and saying to get a round >egg instead of folded.
Re: Facebook
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Feb 23 2018 08:44 am
As bad as it is that you have to use Facebook to remain
relevant in society these days, whatever comes next will
suck even more because at least Facebook is a website.
The next thing will be a proprietary mobile app of some
sort.
and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
ROALT wrote to ALL <=-
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30
days to change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of
the platform, I doubt I will. eBay is better than marketplace. People
who actually know and care about me know my phone number. Games? Steam
has better games. I announced my departure (insert crying baby meme
here), gave plenty of opportunity to folks to get a hold of me,
downloaded all my data, and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is,
that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30
days to change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of the
and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
again
again
again
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days t change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of the platform, I doubt I will. eBay is better than marketplace. People who actually know and care about me know my phone number. Games? Steam has better games. I announc my departure (insert crying baby meme here), gave plenty of opportunity to folks to get a hold of me, downloaded all my data, and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
Stupid open blathering post = over.
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days to change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of the platform, I doubt I will. eBay is better than marketplace. People who actually know and care about me know my phone number. Games? Steam has better games. I announced my departure (insert crying baby meme here), gave plenty of opportunity to folks to get a hold of me, downloaded all my data, and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
Re: Facebook
By: MRO to Roalt on Sat Mar 27 2021 08:22 am
and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
again
again
again
Yep.
Re: Facebook
By: Roalt to All on Sat Mar 27 2021 05:10:10
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days
Good for you! I did that myself a few years ago and have never regretted it. Facebook was definately an addiction which left me feeling empty and unfulfilled.
I find myself a lot less angry over stuff that doesn't really impact my life (getting all worked up over politics and stuff that doesn't even impact my life and I have no control over). Not only happier overall but also more informed as my world view isn't being filtered through echo chambers
Good for you! I did that myself a few years ago and have never regretted Facebook was definately an addiction which left me feeling empty and unfulfilled.
Having never signed up for FB in the beginning, I feel like I have
missed out on a large part of our culture. It seems a whole decade was shaped by Social Media that I will never really understand. No telling grandchildren what it was like around a campfire :)
I think is good you experienced it.
Having never signed up for FB in the beginning, I feel like I have missed out on a large part of our culture. It seems a whole decade was shaped by Social Media that I will never really understand. No telling grandchildren what it was like around a campfire :)
I think is good you experienced it.
i wonder if 20 years from now there will be some sort of home-brew retro facebook that makes it operate like it did back when it started. for people to be nostalgic about when social media didn't require cybernetic brain implants or whatever.. hah
Re: Facebook
By: Roalt to All on Sat Mar 27 2021 05:10 am
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days t change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of the
Congratulations.
Welcome toa world where you have time to do interesting things instead of wasting it online.
Years ago, I remember Facebook showing notifications about all your friends' activity, such as what they commented on, etc., and you could also see who viewed your profile and when. Now it seems there's much less of that - I don't think it shows who has viewed your profile anymore, and I don't think it has notifications on your friends' activity anymore (though I think you might be able to still go to their profile and view their activity log if you wan - or maybe only you can view that for your own profile). Perhaps that information was removed to reduce stalkery behavior on Facebook.
Years ago, I remember Facebook showing notifications about all your friends' activity, such as what they commented on, etc., and you could also see who viewed your profile and when. Now it seems there's much less of that - I don't think it shows who has viewed your profile anymore, and I don't think it has notifications on your friends' activity anymore (though I think you might be able to still go to their profile and view their activity log if you wan - or maybe only you can view that for your own profile). Perhaps
ARELOR wrote to ROALT <=-
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days t change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of the platform, I doubt I will. eBay is better than marketplace. People who actually know and care about me know my phone number. Games? Steam has better games. I announc my departure (insert crying baby meme here), gave plenty of opportunity to folks to get a hold of me, downloaded all my data, and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
Stupid open blathering post = over.
Congratulations.
Welcome toa world where you have time to do interesting things instead
of wasting it online.
facebook also did this dumb shit where you could see exactly where a person was on a map. that feature was around for like 3 months, then it wa
Congratulations.
Welcome toa world where you have time to do interesting things instead of wasting it online.
Intersting things like posting on a BBS? LOL
Sorry - couldn't resist. :-)
ARELOR wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Welcome toa world where you have time to do interesting things instead of wasting it online.
Intersting things like posting on a BBS? LOL
Sorry - couldn't resist. :-)
Here is the thing: wading through all the new posts I want to read
takes me less than 20 minutes a day and I think I don't miss anything.
People doing Facebook get overflown with content. The ones that are
really active either take more than an hour a day wading through it or just skip a lot of posts - which is understandable, because there is a
lot of crap in there.
People doing Facebook get overflown with content. The ones that are really active either take more than an hour a day wading through it or just skip a lot of posts - which is understandable, because there is a lot of crap in there.
honestly i would not recommend getting into running a bbs again.
we have no users. and if you're into tinkering around, i would
recommend doing something that can give you some profitable new
skills.
Years ago, I remember Facebook showing notifications about all your
friends' activity, such as what they commented on, etc., and you could
also see who viewed your profile and when. Now it seems there's much
less of that - I don't think it shows who has viewed your profile
anymore, and I don't think it has notifications on your friends'
activity anymore (though I think you might be able to still go to
their profile and view their activity log if you wan - or maybe only
you can view that for your own profile). Perhaps that information was removed to reduce stalkery behavior on Facebook.
On 3/29/2021 5:35 AM, MRO wrote:
honestly i would not recommend getting into running a bbs again.
we have no users. and if you're into tinkering around, i would
recommend doing something that can give you some profitable new
skills.
Can do both...
Docker, javascript, web development, etc.. can all be done in
enhancement of Synchronet, or other BBS software. ;-)
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Re: Re: Facebook
By: Denn to MRO on Thu Apr 01 2021 10:21 pm
To be honest , Google has this feature enabled by default. You can track your location history over time on Google Maps if you want to.
To be honest , Google has this feature enabled by default. You can track your location history over time on Google Maps if you want to.
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Denn to Knightbbs on Thu Apr 08 2021 08:28 pm
Sorry about this , but i'm fairly new to BBS'ing and still learning the ropes. I see that in order to quote the previous message I can use the CTRL-Q keyboard combo, however that seems to be the same one as the one for disconnecting from the BBS (i get the 'would you like to disconnect'popup). Am I being a total noob here ?
Sorry about this , but i'm fairly new to BBS'ing and still learning the ropes. I see that in order to quote the previous message I can use the CTRL-Q keyboard combo, however that seems to be the same one as the one for disconnecting from the BBS (i get the 'would you like to disconnect'popup). Am I being a total noob here ?
Re: Re: Facebook
By: Denn to Knightbbs on Thu Apr 08 2021 08:28 pm
Sorry about this , but i'm fairly new to BBS'ing and still learning the rope I see that in order to quote the previous message I can use the CTRL-Q keybo combo, however that seems to be the same one as the one for disconnecting fr the BBS (i get the 'would you like to disconnect'popup). Am I being a total noob here ?
I liked it better back then... It's actually about AI engagement
tracking and metrics... they play tricks now more to get you to stay engaged with the site more, exposing you to more ad traffic in the end.
Sorry about this , but i'm fairly new to BBS'ing and still learning the ropes. I see that in order to quote the previous message I can use the CTRL-Q keyboard combo, however that seems to be the same one as the one for disconnecting from the BBS (i get the 'would you like to disconnect'popup). Am I being a total noob here ?
ROALT wrote to ALL <=-
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30
days to change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of
the platform, I doubt I will. eBay is better than marketplace. People
who actually know and care about me know my phone number. Games? Steam
has better games. I announced my departure (insert crying baby meme
here), gave plenty of opportunity to folks to get a hold of me,
downloaded all my data, and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is,
that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
TRACKER1 wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-Once you are an offender with Facebook strikes, they are the first to scan you for more offending posts.
I liked it better back then... It's actually about AI engagement
tracking and metrics... they play tricks now more to get you to stay engaged with the site more, exposing you to more ad traffic in the end.
ROALT wrote to ALL <=-
I finally did it.... I dropped Facebook. Possibly for good. I have 30 days to change my mind, but after a few months of dwindling usage of the platform, I doubt I will. eBay is better than marketplace. People who actually know and care about me know my phone number. Games? Steam has better games. I announced my departure (insert crying baby meme here), gave plenty of opportunity to folks to get a hold of me, downloaded all my data, and hit that delete confirmation. My hope is, that I will now begin to concentrate on getting my BBS up to par and running again.
I am getting Facebook demerits up the wazoo. I think there are better things to do such as improving my bbs, re-establishing
my personal blog, buying business cards with my mobile number and Telegram handle. Zuck is using his riches to fight against
my favorite candidates, and for me the less time on Crapbook the better.
Zuck is using his riches to fight against
my favorite candidates, and for me the less time on Crapbook the better.
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