Freedom of speech is DEAD, i.e. If you have a facebook page, twitter account or other social media account many employers or potential employers will not hire you, or will fire you for things you post on social media.
What right do employers have to snoop into your personal business, sure it's public if its on social media but at what point do we start suing the shit out of companies that use comments we make to fire us?
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they backed off.
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they backed off.
Freedom of speech is DEAD, i.e. If you have a facebook page, twitter
It really depends on the employer. The last place I worked had a policy on social media. Their point was that among we didn't use the company's name when we give an opionion.
What right do employers have to snoop into your personal business,
sure it's public if its on social media but at what point do we start
suing the shit out of companies that use comments we make to fire us?
It is when it comes to protecting their reputation with their customers, and there is no place for a disgruntled employee or ex-employee trashing their reputation.
Granted, the employer should treat their employees right to keep employees from tarnishing the employers reputation.
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted
on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they
backed off.
That's sad that it came to that point. However, you're right that one has to be careful when posting something; hence the suggestion that I heard at one point: have two personas: one that your employers will, and one your friends will see.
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted
on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they
backed off.
I'm not sure what your brother's employer's policy is, but I would imagine that he had an issue with that co-worker the he would have gone to that co-worker directly. If that failed, gone to either that co-woker or his own supervisor/lead and address that is and or went to HR. And if that failed, then I can see, maybe, posting something about it.
Freedom of speech is DEAD, i.e. If you have a facebook page, twitter account or other social media account many employers or potential employers will not hire you, or will fire you for things you post on social media.
What right do employers have to snoop into your personal business, sure it's public if its on social media but at what point do we start suing the shit out of companies that use comments we make to fire us?
a company policy does not should not supercede our 1st amendment rights to freedom of speech, the founding fathers would be really disappointed in how thing are now.
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and now with facial recognition I never put my photo's online, and when you
post a photo on social media like facebook it becomes their property.
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on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they
backed off.
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What he posted about his co-worker had nothing to do with work, but the co-worker took it to HR and the company tried to fire him, they would have b
sued and they knew they would lose because now they are discriminating against
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the co-worker showed them the post he made on facebook and they tried to ge
all high and mighty.
Freedom of speech is DEAD, i.e. If you have a facebook page, twitter account or other social media account many employers or potential employers will not hire you, or will fire you for things you post on social media.
What right do employers have to snoop into your personal business, sure it's public if its on social media but at what point do we start suing the shit out of companies that use comments we make to fire us?
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they backed off.
What he posted about his co-worker had nothing to do with work, but the co-worker took it to HR and the company tried to fire him, they would have been sued and they knew they would lose because now they are discriminating against my brother.
Freedom of speech is DEAD, i.e. If you have a facebook page, twitter account or other social media account many employers or potential employers will not hire you, or will fire you for things you post on social media.
What right do employers have to snoop into your personal business, sure it's public if its on social media but at what point do we start suing the shit out of companies that use comments we make to fire us?
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they backed off.
That's sad that it came to that point. However, you're right that one has to be careful when posting something; hence the suggestion that I heard at one point: have two personas: one that your employers will, and one your friends will see.
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
jagossel wrote to Roadhog <=-
It really depends on the employer. The last place I worked had a policy
on social media. Their point was that among we didn't use the company's name when we give an opionion.
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will
hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
Roadhog wrote to jagossel <=-
a company policy does not should not supercede our 1st amendment rights
to freedom of speech, the founding fathers would be really disappointed
in how thing are now.
No not really, if their reputation is good then they have nothing to worry about.
Roadhog wrote to jagossel <=-
What he posted about his co-worker had nothing to do with work, but
the co-worker took it to HR and the company tried to fire him, they
would have been sued and they knew they would lose because now they are discriminating against my brother.
the co-worker showed them the post he made on facebook and they tried
to get all high and mighty.
Nightfox wrote to Roadhog <=-
I agree. I've heard of some companies asking for potential employees' passwords to Facebook etc., but IMO that is unnecessary and is probably
a violation of Facebook's terms of service. At the least, I don't
think someones friends & links on social media would want or expect to
be seen by someone's potential employers.
Facebook and other social media sites usually have a feature where
users can only have their profile shown to their friends/links, so
anyone just casually looking them up without being logged in won't be
able to see their profile.
I agree. I've heard of some companies asking for potential
employees' passwords to Facebook etc., but IMO that is unnecessary
and is probably a violation of Facebook's terms of service. At the
least, I don't think someones friends & links on social media would
want or expect to be seen by someone's potential employers.
I'd say it's also a violation of your rights.
Facebook and other social media sites usually have a feature where
users can only have their profile shown to their friends/links, so
anyone just casually looking them up without being logged in won't
be able to see their profile.
It is possible to lock your profile down pretty tight.
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
a company policy does not should not supercede our 1st amendment rights to freedom of speech, the founding fathers would be really disappointed in how thing are now.
a company policy does not should not supercede our 1st amendment
rights to freedom of speech, the founding fathers would be really
disappointed in how thing are now.
Freedom of speech also includes the responsibilities that go with it. Rights always have responsibilities. And if you don't meet the
Correction: If their reputation is good AND based on honest business practices, they (should) have nothing to worry about. Of course, that doesn't stop damaging slander being posted - For example, if you and a group of co-conspiritors post (falsely) that your boss is a child molester, that will put enough doubt in the public's mind to damage theirs and the company's reputation, in today's social climate. Sure, they can sue, but the damage is already done. And with the lack of critical thinking in today's population, such malicious rumours spread like wildfire.
What he posted about his co-worker had nothing to do with work, but
the co-worker took it to HR and the company tried to fire him, they
would have been sued and they knew they would lose because now they
are discriminating against my brother.
the co-worker showed them the post he made on facebook and they
tried to get all high and mighty.
So, the legal protections did work afterall. Does sound like the company overreached in exercising their rights, and the courts would have seen it that way too.
a company policy does not should not supercede our 1st amendment
rights to freedom of speech, the founding fathers would be really
disappointed in how thing are now.
"Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Companies can fire you for social media posts that paint their company in a negative light, not hire you because of your party pix if they don't
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
Is that because people can't look you up online?
I know people who don't use Facebook etc. and they seem to be doing okay. I don't think there's anything really wrong with that. In my experience, the only thing I've noticed is that if someone doesn't have a social media accou sometimes they might be out of the loop, or other people are sometimes confu why they don't use social media and/or frustrated that they can't keep in to with them or follow them on social media. Some peope don't want to use soci media because they just don't want to be easily found.
You won't believe the time one can gain and is able to get more done without that noise/drama. I had a Facebook before I was engaged to be married, and I "closed" my account once my then-fiance (now wife) came down with pneumonia. Once my accont was "closed", I had a lot more time back to my life.
As far as the news goes, I'm more up-to-date with the radio and on BBSes than I was before.
Re: Freedom of Speech
By: jagossel to Roadhog on Thu Aug 24 2017 09:57 am
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
It's time for the "real name" social accounts with harmless content and alias accounts where we say what we really feel.
Is that because people can't look you up online?
I know people who don't use Facebook etc. and they seem to be doing okay. I don't think there's anything really wrong with that. In my experience, the only thing I've noticed is that if someone doesn't have a social media account, sometimes they might be out of the loop, or other people are sometimes confused why they don't use social media and/or frustrated that they can't keep in touch with them or follow them on social media. Some peope don't want to use social media because they just don't want to be easily found.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'd say it's also a violation of your rights.
Yes, that too. I feel like it's similar to them asking for a key to
your house.
It is possible to lock your profile down pretty tight.
It seems like it's not as tight as it used to be. There used to be a setting on Facebook to make your profile totally invisible to even a search, so if someone searched your name on Facebook, your profile wouldn't show up. Last time I checked, it looked like they removed
that option.
Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well I agree, what I mean though is that companies go to far invading
ones free spaces and try to restrict what we say publically, I don't or would never bad mouth my company in a public forum I'm just saying that companies can go to far.
and for a company to ask for passwords to a facebook or any other
account screw that! they would not get it from me.
if my company ever asked me for my password for any account that would
be a violation of my rights.
I would never slander any comapny like that, if anyone does slander a company or a person like that they could be sued and rightfully.
Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In this case it did because a private dispute between two people is
none of any companies business and for them to fire him in this case
would have consequences leagally.
"... "Criminal Lawyer" is a redundancy."
Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-
My state, and I think most states (correct me if I'm wrong please) are
"at will" employment states. They can fire you, or you can quit, for
no reason. There's no contract. They're within their rights to do
that, legally.
If I remember this right, there was a court case recently that ruled
it's acceptable to make providing your facebook PASSWORD part of the
job application process. How messed up is that?
Nightfox wrote to jagossel <=-
I actually see a lot of news on Facebook. Sometimes it's from people posting articles, sometimes it's from news stations I follow on
Facebook, and sometimes it's from companies/organizations I follow on Facebook. I consider Facebook another news source in addition to TV
and radio.
honestly i just use facebook primarily for getting news in one place.
i've seen too much drama bullshit from my friends on it.
Yes, Facebook is actually quite a good source of news these days. There are times I've read about something on Facebook, before seeing it on the TV news.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Just the other day, I saw an employee of a business made a post in a classiffied ads group on Facebook that a nearby location of the
business had suddenly closed without warning, and the employees didn't even know until they went in to work and saw that the place had been locked with a chain & padlock with a sign saying "Business closed".
The empoyee posted it to let customers and other employees know of the sudden closure. So there's lots of things you can hear about with Facebook.
Is that because people can't look you up online?
honestly i just use facebook primarily for getting news in one place.
i've seen too much drama bullshit from my friends on it.
Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
\/... "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies." \/
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"... 7 Days without pizza makes one weak..."
Is that because people can't look you up online?
honestly i just use facebook primarily for getting news in one place. i've seen too much drama bullshit from my friends on it.
I deleted my facebook a few years back, yet it's still there.
So I went back in and deleted all my content and decided to keep it.
it is good for a few things.
I deleted my facebook a few years back, yet it's still there.
you might have deactivated your fb instead of deleting. you have to google for the link to delete your fb acct.
Yes, that too. I feel like it's similar to them asking for a key to your house.
Well I agree, what I mean though is that companies go to far invading ones free spaces and try to restrict what we say publically, I don't or would never bad mouth my company in a public forum I'm just saying that companies can go to far.
and for a company to ask for passwords to a facebook or any other account screw that! they would not get it from me.
if my company ever asked me for my password for any account that would be a violation of my rights.
In this case it did because a private dispute between two people is none of any companies business and for them to fire him in this case would have consequences leagally.
yes, it is. i've actually been at a meeting where they were checking out a job applicant and they check her out on social media and she's got pics of her drunk and passed out and smoking pot.
That's totally wrong. What was the judge smoking? And how did he interpret the law to get to that outcome?
That's totally wrong. What was the judge smoking? And how did he interpret the law to get to that outcome?
Yes, that too. I feel like it's similar to them asking for a key to
your house.
They could be asking for a night with your wife if they wanted. They have all the money, you have none of it and have to beg THEM just for a job.
The only thing standing between them completely abusing you is, wait for it... big government.
Well I agree, what I mean though is that companies go to far invading
ones free spaces and try to restrict what we say publically, I don't
or would never bad mouth my company in a public forum I'm just saying
that companies can go to far.
and for a company to ask for passwords to a facebook or any other
account screw that! they would not get it from me.
"violation of my rights", lol. It depends how desperate you are for a job, I guess.
In this case it did because a private dispute between two people is
none of any companies business and for them to fire him in this case
would have consequences leagally.
I'm not an employment lawyer, but I really don't think that's true. There would be no consequences whatsoever. What would he even sue for, his job back?
yes, but then that could be slander.
I will say from experience that not being active on social media will
hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
I know people who don't use Facebook etc. and they seem to be doing okay. I don't think there's anything really wrong with that.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
LOL I know right? It's like capitalism is evil or something.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
BTW I googled it, and the first articles that come up are from 2012.
So this is absolutely true, but it might be a little dated at this
point. I don't see anything saying they passed any laws making it illegal, so it seems like fair game to make "What is your facebook password?" a job interview question.
If I remember this right, there was a court case recently that ruled
it's acceptable to make providing your facebook PASSWORD part of the
job application process. How messed up is that?
That's totally wrong. What was the judge smoking? And how did he interpret the law to get to that outcome?
yes, but then that could be slander.
No, it couldn't. Being fired from a job for violating the terms of an employment agreement that covers behavior on social networks wouldn't be considered slander, and in any "at will" state they could fire you without cause. Sure, you may sue them and they may decide to settle instead of fighting it, but you're still fired.
But it wouldn't be slander unless the company makes defamatory statements about your firing.
I've noticed a trend with government over the years, when they have a large bastards pork barrel the money with things like pensions and higher saleries, and pork barrel projects.
then they raise taxes again and the cycle starts all over, in our state the crooks get leased vehicles and a gas card as a perk.
Invasion of privacy, wrongful termination to start with.
but if they fire you for a politcal view or religous post etc.. that has nothing to do with the company if they fire you just because of your belief system then it's discrimination and you could sue, but even that would be hard to prove.
Basically we're all screwed by the Government and our Employers.
the best thing to do is be careful of what you post or use an handle like I'm doing.
Now, there's a good debate topic. To me, capitalism is a tool to generate wealth, but used inappropriately, it can be evil, used wisely, everyone can prosper.
Now, there's a good debate topic. To me, capitalism is a tool to generate wealth, but used inappropriately, it can be evil, used wisely, everyone can prosper.
the right of your boss to own a goddamn sailboat.
Freedom of speech is DEAD, i.e. If you have a facebook page, twitter account or other social media account many employers or potential employers will not hire you, or will fire you for things you post on social media.
What right do employers have to snoop into your personal business, sure it's public if its on social media but at what point do we start suing the shit out of companies that use comments we make to fire us?
My younger brother almost lost his job because of a comment he posted on facebook about a co-worker, he threatened to sue them and they backed off.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Grinding up people in the wheels of commerce to make a profit, so you
can get richer and everyone who works for you stays the same, is evil.
At this point in history though, I think it's less about restructuring
all of society and more about gradually shifting our worldview, culturally, away from an "everyone for themselves", kill or be killed,
dog eat dog mentality, and just for a second consider that MAYBE, as
core values go, the right of EVERYONE to a safe workplace and a life
with dignity is more important than the right of your boss to own a goddamn sailboat.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Now it's full of sailboats. It's in a pleasant little downtown now,
with tourist shops, and bars, and overpriced restaurants, and coffee shops. And the thing is, YOU COULDN'T go into a bar without hearing
some rich asshole bragging about his sailboat. Seriously. It was an inside joke for us. You might not be able to really imagine this
without seeing it for yourself, but if you walked into a bar downtown SOMEONE was bragging about their sailboat. It was a joke, but it was really true most of the time. I think about this all the time.
SAILBOATS.
Agree, but pure capitalism can tend to produce this result. Capitalism is a great generator of wealth, but a poor distributor. Something else needs to help distribute wealth more equitably.
Agree, but pure capitalism can tend to produce this result. Capitalism is a great generator of wealth, but a poor distributor. Something else needs to help distribute wealth more equitably.
and look at it like, "Wow! I just made a thing!", but when a business is owned by more or less anonymous shareholders and not by someone you at least can look in the eye, there are psychological consequences to that. It's a
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I laughed out loud at what people would think if you said "distribute wealth more equitably" over here... but basically yes. Although it's more than just distributing the wealth. The idea is that back in the
day when manufacturing was done in small workshops, when a worker made
a chair, or a barrel, or whatever, they could feel proud of it. They could make a thing and look at it like, "Wow! I just made a thing!",
but when a business is owned by more or less anonymous shareholders and not by someone you at least can look in the eye, there are
psychological consequences to that. It's a dark thought that you could
DO SOMETHING for 8+ hours a day and take no pride in it at all and see none of the results. Who cares if you do it faster, or better? You're there for the money.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Oh, one time I worked in a restaurant that was owned by people with business degrees who knew NOTHING about how to run a restaurant, they
just thought it was a good investment. They hired a general manager to
do all the "knowing what a restaurant is" work. It was WEIRD.
And the thing with lots of small businesses is there's a lot of people making their little bit of money, the market controls the price (through the laws of supply and demand) and all is good. :) But that's not what the modern world looks like. And you're right, the people you're describing were craftsmen, who do a good job, because they take pride in their work.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't know what the equivalent of a Walmart would be in Australia,
but I recall studies being done to show that every time a Walmart opens
in a community here HUNDREDS of small businesses go under.
That can't still be true anymore, of course... for the simple reason
that they've mostly gone under already.
But smoking pot?yes, it is. i've actually been at a meeting where they were checking out a
job applicant and they check her out on social media and she's got pics of
her drunk and passed out and smoking pot.
What was the job?
The funny thing is I don't care if an employee gets drunk on the weekends, I care that they're too stupid to lock down their Facebook.
I don't know what the equivalent of a Walmart would be in Australia, but I recall studies being done to show that every time a Walmart opens in a community here HUNDREDS of small businesses go under.
That can't still be true anymore, of course... for the simple reason that they've mostly gone under already.
On the flip-side, when I visiting my dad there after being away from
this town for so many years, I went to that same Wal-Mart Super Center
and there were a lot of new resturants and larger businesses that I thought this town would never have (Logan's Roadhouse, Michael's,
PetCo, Five Guys, Starbucks, etc.). Some of the smaller businesses
still survided, but a lot of them closed up shop, and new and larger businesses came in.
I know this might be surprising to hear coming from an Enterpriser like me, but I HATE going to Wal-Mart because of their questionable (at
best) or unethical business practices. I would rather go ANYWHERE else than Wal-Mart!
Aldi anyone? :D
The big chain restaurants have a lower overhead and are more profitable than mom and pops. They feed off the "Walmart" mentality, and so prosper in WMs shadow.
I rarely shop at WM. From the stores to the rude people that get their paychecks there to the long lines at the check-outs. I do my part and shop local. That goes for restaurants too. I eat at the local mom & pops. Better
food, better service and you establish a rapor with them.
Aldi anyone? :D
I hope we have a resurgence of mom & pop's, both retail and restaurants.
I rarely shop at WM. From the stores to the rude people that get their paychecks there to the long lines at the check-outs. I do my part and shop local. That goes for restaurants too. I eat at the local mom & pops. Better food, better service and you establish a rapor with them.
But smoking pot?
there's a reason mom & pop shops dont last. they dont pay their workers well, and they dont give people what they want.
i'll go with amazon and walmart.
there's a reason mom & pop shops dont last. they dont pay their workers well, and they dont give people what they want.
i'll go with amazon and walmart.
Are these thoughts logically connected? Do you think Walmart treats their employees well?
But smoking pot?
That would be nice to see that, but that is going to be difficult to compete the larger business, and it is tough to run a business.
I'm not against local business owners at all; I actually admire them for their perseevience and taking the huge risks and sacrificing their time, full-time jobs, and their capital to serve other people.
That would be nice to see that, but that is going to be difficult to compete the larger business, and it is tough to run a business.
I'm not against local business owners at all; I actually admire them for their perseevience and taking the huge risks and sacrificing their time, full-time jobs, and their capital to serve other people.
That would be nice to see that, but that is going to be difficult to compete the larger business, and it is tough to run a business.
I'm not against local business owners at all; I actually admire them for their perseevience and taking the huge risks and sacrificing their time, full-time jobs, and their capital to serve other people.
For context, my wife and I own a small business. It is SO SMALL that I still work full time to make ends meet. The pressures on small business owners are not lost on me. My wife has worked in gardening and landscaping
That would be nice to see that, but that is going to be difficult to compete the larger business, and it is tough to run a business.
I'm not against local business owners at all; I actually admire them for their perseevience and taking the huge risks and sacrificing their time, full-time jobs, and their capital to serve other people.
years, if it's even still possible. The logic of capitalism leads to this. Economies of scale, and so on. A big landscaping company that does 10000
for 8+ hours a day and take no pride in it at all and see none of the results. Who cares if you do it faster, or better? You're there for
the money. þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ
jagossel wrote to Leregard <=-
Aldi anyone? :D
Jay C. Theriot wrote to jagossel <=-
The big chain restaurants have a lower overhead and are more profitable than mom and pops. They feed off the "Walmart" mentality, and so prosper in WMs shadow.
I hope we have a resurgence of mom & pop's, both retail and
restaurants.
Leregard wrote to John Guillory <=-
But smoking pot?
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to
Leregard wrote to Mro <=-
i'll go with amazon and walmart.
Are these thoughts logically connected? Do you think Walmart treats
their employees well?
But smoking pot?
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for your purity, and maybe you're 33% more likely to get into Heaven... but I lived in Washington when they legalized it for recreational use and the world didn't end.
That would be nice to see that, but that is going to be difficult to
compete the larger business, and it is tough to run a business.
I'm not against local business owners at all; I actually admire them
for their perseevience and taking the huge risks and sacrificing their
time, full-time jobs, and their capital to serve other people.
I know this is The Onion, but in this case I think it's really spot on with the truth. More the POETIC truth, if you like... but still.
www.theonion.com/blogpost/my-advice-anyone-starting-business-remember-some day-5 6539
orThat would be nice to see that, but that is going to be difficult to compete the larger business, and it is tough to run a business.
I'm not against local business owners at all; I actually admire them f
e,their perseevience and taking the huge risks and sacrificing their tim
lfull-time jobs, and their capital to serve other people.
For context, my wife and I own a small business. It is SO SMALL that I stil
work full time to make ends meet. The pressures on small business owners are
not lost on me. My wife has worked in gardening and landscaping and irrigation
repair for 10 years or so, and she decided to go into business doing it for herself. She has a contractor's license, it's legit. But breaking into literally ANY industry as an entrepreneur is hard, and the deck is stacked against you. It is NOT stacked against you because of taxes or regulations,or
liberal trade policies, or whatever, that's total garbage. It's stacked against you because someone with the capital to start out buying 10 trucks, etc., and $100,000 in advertising, is going to win every time against someone
with the capital to buy 1 truck and $10,000 in advertising... every time. The
quality of the work doesn't matter. You could be so great you win awards every
year, but if you don't have money to invest no one will ever hear about it.e
The idea that running a business is a SKILL is half true. Accounting is a skill, sure, to some extent marketing and selling are also skills, but at th
end of the day your MARKET are independent minds making their own consumer decisions in unpredictable and possibly irrational ways, and until marketing crosses a line into full on brainwashing and mind control, you only have so much influence on their behavior.
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about
it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for your purity,
and maybe you're 33% more likely to get into Heaven... but I lived in Washington when they legalized it for recreational use and the world didn't end.
On 09/01/17, Leregard considered the following...Synchronet .[0m.
for 8+ hours a day and take no pride in it at all and see none of the results. Who cares if you do it faster, or better? You're there for the money. . .[32mSynchronet.[0m . .[1m.[32mVertrauen .[0m. .[1mHome of
You really are a blowhard and waste of perfectly good breathing air, aren't you.
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for
... E Over I Times R - Not just a good idea...it's The Law.
Nightfox wrote to Leregard <=-I agree. Neither my wife nor I have every tried it. Currently, in my circle, I know of one person that smokes.
Re: Freedom of Speech
By: Leregard to John Guillory on Mon Sep 04 2017 01:12 pm
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for
Eh, everyone? I've never tried it and don't really have any interest
in it.. And in my life, I've only known one person who has specifically mentioned it to me. So either I don't know many people who smoke pot,
or they've all kept quiet about it..
I don't have anything against people who do, just saying I doubt
everyone smokes pot.
Nightfox
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Ed Vance wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The more I looked at the Tagline that You used, my tiny brain kept
rolling over and over and over......
because the word "Times" threw me off, as much as I remember of Ohm's
Law.
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for
I agree. Neither my wife nor I have every tried it. Currently, in my circle, I know of one person that smokes.
I live in an area where drug tests in the local industry are common and to be positive, means you are generally unimployed, long term.
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not. There are safety concerns in industry that prohibit working people from doing drugs.
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Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about
it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for your purity,
and maybe you're 33% more likely to get into Heaven... but I lived in
The more I looked at the Tagline that You used, my tiny brain
kept rolling over and over and over...... because the word
"Times" threw me off, as much as I remember of Ohm's Law.
Yeah, I think whoever wrote it tried to be smart and it didn't quite
come off.
:)
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words)
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... If it is to be, it is up to me! (10 most important 2 letter
words)
Looks like another one. The above only has 7 (different) 2 letter
words. Reusing them doesn't count! ;)
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for 8+ hours a day and take no pride in it at all and see none of the results. Who cares if you do it faster, or better? You're there for the money. þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ
You really are a blowhard and waste of perfectly good breathing air, aren't you.
I recently saw a documentary or current affairs show that documented the poor way Amazon treat their warehouse employees, with unrealistic workloads. They actually sent someone in to work for Amazon in the warehouse with a hidden camera to document this.
I'm a little confused here; is this an agreement or disagreement? I wasn't trying to disagree on the point that it's hard to run a small local business.
I live in an area where drug tests in the local industry are common and to be positive, means you are generally unimployed, long term.
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not. There are safety concerns in industry that prohibit working people from doing drugs.
Eh, everyone? I've never tried it and don't really have any interest in
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not. There are safety concerns in
industry that prohibit working people from doing drugs.
Ok. That's definitely true, but I don't agree with it. I definitely don't think anyone should DRIVE while under the influence, for example, but pot stays in your system for weeks, and firing someone for failing a drug test like that is like giving you a DUI because they found out you got drunk two weeks ago.
Ok, I didn't mean literally EVERYONE. I was being hyperbolic, but it's well into the mainstream. People smoke pot on tv and in movies and no one really blinks at it, and it wasn't always like that. It's just a normal part of our culture now. Like the liquor aisle at a grocery store.
I think the concern is that if you did a drug that recently, they might think it's something you do on a regular basis, so you might do it again, and possibly at a time when it could affect your work.
Of the (few) movies & TV shows I've seen showing people consuming pot, I think it's understood it's an illicit substance, and it's usually shown for comedic effect and/or usually has the characters doing it in a secret place/time (such as smoking in the basement - That 70s Show comes to mind). And I can't think of a whole ot of movies & TV shows that show people consuming pot.. I'm not sure it's as common as you make it out to be.
Of the (few) movies & TV shows I've seen showing people consuming pot, I think it's understood it's an illicit substance, and it's usually shown for comedic effect and/or usually has the characters doing it in a secret place/time (such as smoking in the basement - That 70s Show comes to mind). And I can't think of a whole ot of movies & TV shows that show people consuming pot.. I'm not sure it's as common as you make it out to be.
I live in an area where drug tests in the local industry are common and to be positive, means you are generally unimployed, long term.
It doesn't matter if it is legal or not. There are safety concerns in industry that prohibit working people from doing drugs.
Oh, also, fwiw, I know for a fact that several of my coworkers *including one supervisor* go to music festivals on the weekends and take extasy like it's candy... and no one is worried about that. Even I think that's a little odd, but that's the truth.
I should probably have mentioned, I also live 4 blocks from a huge state university. That changes the local culture quite a lot. It's just UNDERSTOOD these days that college is where you experiment with sex and drugs. Who doesn't know that? I thought it was common knowledge that millenials aren't afraid of drugs OR sex anymore, OR they're super religious. I'm not kidding about this, I really think this is how people under 30 see the world.
drugs. Who doesn't know that? I thought it was common knowledge that millenials aren't afraid of drugs OR sex anymore, OR they're super religious. I'm not kidding about this, I really think this is how people under 30 see the world.
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I read an article about that. They seem to have a "work you until you quit" mentality. Impossible quotas, set up for failure just to make it easier to fire you... I don't even know why. They're only the most successful company in the world, just about, shouldn't that be
"trickling down" by now? No, not so much.
It seems to me that millennials are more health-conscious than people have been in the past. I can't think of any millennials I've known who are super into drugs and lots of sex, but many of them I've known seem to keep a keen watch (almost obsessive) about always eating healthy and getting exercise. And I don't know many people who smoke even regular cigarettes anymore, at least compared to 20-30 years ago.
It seems to me that millennials are more health-conscious than people
have been in the past. I can't think of any millennials I've known
I had a whole conversation about this a few days ago. It's like people these days seem really split into people who go to the gym and take yoga classes obsessively, and people who don't seem to even notice they have bodies, and just want to play video games and stare at their phones.
It's true about the cigarettes, young people don't smoke cigarettes like they did even back when I was in college. But I wonder if that's less about health and more about them being $10 a pack or whatever now.
I suppose that's possible. I've seen some like that. And I notice mainly teenagers & younger tending to be on their phones all the time and not eating well (probably because of lack of discipline or motivation to do something different/better).
That's probably a factor. Another factor could be that smoking is just not allowed in many places anymore where it used to be allowed. I remember when people were able to smoke inside grocery stores, etc., but now many places have laws/rules where you have to smoke outside at least 10 feet away from a building.
magazine right now and 2.) People maybe only SEEM health conscious now because it's trendy to wear exercise clothes when you're not actually exercising... like, at the grocery store. Maybe some of them stopped for groceries on their way back from the gym, but not all of them. It makes you LOOK like you're active and care about your health. Yoga pants, case in point. When did yoga pants become normal?
True. I remember when you'd walk into a restaurant and they'd ask if you wanted "smoking or non-smoking".
If I remember this right, there was a court case recently that ruled it's acceptable to make providing your facebook PASSWORD part of the job applicat process. How messed up is that?
If I remember this right, there was a court case recently that ruled
it's acceptable to make providing your facebook PASSWORD part of the
job applicat process. How messed up is that?
A local radio station was having an interview with a lawyer from the area a few years ago as part of a regular segment they did. The week I happened to stumble on this they were discussing this very law. I was surprised, but apparently it's totally legal for a company to ask. They can't ask your age, but your social media passwords are fair game.
just thought it was a good investment. They hired a general manager
to do all the "knowing what a restaurant is" work. It was WEIRD.
Totally weird, sounds like it was doomed to fail. :)
I can see the logic behind that, but what I don't see is how alcohol is any different.
It's true about the cigarettes, young people don't smoke cigarettes like they did even back when I was in college. But I wonder if that's less about health and more about them being $10 a pack or whatever now.
Alcohol provides tax revenue. It's more dangerous that a lot of other drugs out there, and costs taxpayers in health costs, but the creation and selling of alcohol provides jobs and taxes.
True. I remember when you'd walk into a restaurant and they'd ask if you wanted "smoking or non-smoking".
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When I flew Southwest Airlines on a regular basis in 2001-2002 (I had a client in San Diego, I was in Oakland) every once in a while you'd get onto a 737 with ashtrays in the armrests. I can't imagine being on a
plane with smokers.
I'm not following this. If we legalized selling heroin at gas stations for some reason it would create jobs tand tax money too. We could probably fund the whole government this way if we wanted, especially if we heavily tax the "adult entertainment" industry as well.
Smoking was banned on all flights shorter than 2 hours in 1988. All planes were smoke free by the end of the 1990's. I remember flying to Denver when I was a child on a plane where smoking was allowed. It was as awful as you'd expect.
Nightfox mumbled something about Re: Freedom of Speech to DaiTengu <=-
Smoking was banned on all flights shorter than 2 hours in 1988. All planes were smoke free by the end of the 1990's. I remember flying to Denver when I was a child on a plane where smoking was allowed. It was as awful as you'd expect.
Yeah, I've forgotten what it's like to be on a flight where smoking is allowed, but it would be pretty bad to be in an enclosed space that has
no ventilation with smoking allowed. I'd think it would have been
banned on flights longer than 2 hours rather than shorter. Imagine
being on a long international flight where smoking is allowed..
I've noticed airplanes still have "no smoking" signs on them. I wonder what the point of that is when smoking has been banned on airlines for
so long. I thought smoking would have been banned on airlines pretty
much everywhere, but perhaps not.
I grew up in a smoking household. If you're around it constantly, you get used to it. That's not to say it's still not killing you, but your eyes don't water and you don't cough if it's something you're around a lot. You even to nose-blind to it after awhile. Back then everyone smoked, so people probably dealt with it.
I grew up in a smoking household. If you're around it constantly, you get used to it. That's not to say it's still not killing you, but your eyes don't water and you don't cough if it's something you're around a lot. You even to nose-blind to it after awhile. Back then everyone smoked, so people probably dealt with it.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Tony Bourdain's "Kitchen Confidential" book describes the downfall of several restaurants he worked at. More restaurants fail than make it,
and most successful restauranteurs expect a couple to fail before one takes off.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Tony Bourdain's "Kitchen Confidential" book describes the downfall of several restaurants he worked at. More restaurants fail than make it, and most successful restauranteurs expect a couple to fail before one takes off. [0m
That's true, a lot of restaurants do fail. It is a highly competitive market, and you have to get things right, or it's game over. :)
I don't believe there are any airlines that allow smoking anymore. A quick google search said that the last airline to ban smoking was Cuban carrier "Cubana", in 2014. I know some Middle East airlines had smoking sections up until the early 2000's as well.
Actually it's not, they can ask for your social media names but are only allowed to view publicly your social media, can they not hire you because yo won't give your social media passwords? sure they don't have to hire anyone it is still illeagle for them to strong arm you for your passwords to go through your social media.
They can view only what you have set to be publically viewed, so if you're idiot and have alot of crazy shit on your sites you and are to stupid to use fake name then you deserve what ever they dish out to you.
passwords are private and you never have to give them to anyone period.
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Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
a lot of businesses PERIOD fail in the first 1 or 2 years.
My point was that alcohol is embedded into our economy and culture, and despite being arguably more dangerous than marijuana, remains legal while marijuana is not.
This was several years ago, so I don't remember the details, but I'm pretty sure he said that providing the password can be made a condition for employment. I remember that because the host pressed him and asked him a few times on that because he didn't believe it.
a lot of businesses PERIOD fail in the first 1 or 2 years.
Leregard wrote to Jay C. Theriot <=-
I should probably have mentioned, I also live 4 blocks from a huge
state university. That changes the local culture quite a lot. It's
just UNDERSTOOD these days that college is where you experiment with
sex and drugs. Who doesn't know that? I thought it was common
knowledge that millenials aren't afraid of drugs OR sex anymore, OR they're super religious. I'm not kidding about this, I really think
this is how people under 30 see the world.
As a general rule, I wouldn't want to work for someone who demanded my twitter password. If the INTERVIEW goes that poorly I don't even want to know what day to day operations is like....
By the way, if Louisiana (my state of confusion) ever finishes legalizing it, I qualify for medical cannabis. I've never used non-prescription drugs in my life. I'm 49. Now, I have developed a medical condition, and I'm seriously considering it, when it becomes legal.
Leregard wrote to Jay C. Theriot <=-
Unless you get tested on a regular basis, consider trying it first
before investing a few hundred dollars in your card without knowing if
it works for you or not.
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I will say from experience that not being active on social media will
hurt you just as much as posting negative statements.
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I deleted my facebook account several years ago, however it is still there even though I deleted it WEIRD! any way I took down all photo's
and hid all my timelines, at some point I may try to re delete it.
and now with facial recognition I never put my photo's online, and
when you do post a photo on social media like facebook it becomes their property.
I deleted my facebook account several years ago, however it is stillMy understanding is they just deactivate it, in the event that you ever want to 'come back.' :-)
there even though I deleted it WEIRD! any way I took down all
I'm sure it's so they can keep the history, etc. I don't kid myself that it's free in any way, shape or form - but I still choose to use it. It's great for keeping up with old friends!
My understanding is they just deactivate it, in the event that you ever
want to 'come back.' :-)
I'm sure it's so they can keep the history, etc. I don't kid myself that it's free in any way, shape or form - but I still choose to use it. It's great for keeping up with old friends!
Pot is good when you know your measure.Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about
it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for your purity,
and maybe you're 33% more likely to get into Heaven... but I lived in
I for one have never smoked pot, or done any illegal drugs.
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: John Guillory to LEREGARD on Mon Sep 04 2017 03:33:00
Everyone smokes pot. If you have kids, they've tried pot and lied to you about
it. If you haven't, I guess you can pat yourself on the back for your purity,
and maybe you're 33% more likely to get into Heaven... but I lived in
I for one have never smoked pot, or done any illegal drugs.
þ wcQWK 7.0Pot is good when you know your measure.
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