Nearly 100 sex abuse suits against Catholic priests rock island of Guam,
this has happened now in Guam, the USA, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Canada and other countries as well.
so is it a safe bet to say that you're more likely to be abused by a Priest than you are by a Gay person?
I would say yes.

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Roadhog wrote to All <=-

Nearly 100 sex abuse suits against Catholic priests rock island of
Guam,
this has happened now in Guam, the USA, Ireland, Australia, New
Zealand and Canada and other countries as well.
so is it a safe bet to say that you're more likely to be abused by a Priest than you are by a Gay person?
I would say yes.

I would tend to agree, priests and other people in positions supervising kids have a very poor track record of chile abuse. There has been a Royal Commission into institutional sexual/chile abuse running here for several years and the findings have been horriffic. The Catholic Church has been in the spotlight in recent times, other institutions have been called in to the inquiry.

As a result of findings, charges have been laid against a number of people so far.

"... Sacred cows make good hamburgers."

LOL! :D


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Re: Re: Guam
By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Sat Aug 12 2017 05:03 pm

I would tend to agree, priests and other people in positions supervising kids have a very poor track record of chile abuse. There has been a Royal Commission into institutional sexual/chile abuse running here for several years and the findings have been horriffic. The Catholic Church has been in the spotlight in recent times, other institutions have been called in to the

this problem is rampant and they need a better screening process in schools and other places where adults are with children.
strangely, in some places society protects child predators.

my own city lets them off with a slap on the wrist. it makes me wonder if there's an underground sub society that protects their own.
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this problem is rampant and they need a better screening process in schools and other places where adults are with children.
strangely, in some places society protects child predators.

Our child protection laws have just been upgraded in the last week or so. Hopefully that will weed out a few more predators. Doesn't have a big effect on me, I'm already compliant, because I have the checks for direct work with children. The big change was closing loopholes allowing unverified people under supervision to work with children, which will affect volunteer groups, but as the checks are free for volunteers, that isn't a problem, except for those who have a history. I have a check for workers, which has to be paid for. It's the same check, except for the fee, which is fair enough. Mine can be used for volunteer work as well, but not vice versa.

my own city lets them off with a slap on the wrist. it makes me wonder
if there's an underground sub society that protects their own.

I wouldn't be surprised. They usually get serious jail time here.


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Re: Re: Guam
By: Vk3jed to Mro on Sun Aug 13 2017 08:04 am

this problem is rampant and they need a better screening process in
schools and other places where adults are with children.

This is a real problem in many countries, yet the system lets our children down time after time.
look at people like Dennis Hastert who became a US Congressman he got away with molesting for years.
and Jerry Sandusky a coach that raped boy's and the Administration knew it but kept it quite.

Our child protection laws have just been upgraded in the last week or so. Hopefully that will weed out a few more predators. Doesn't have a big

We can only hope.

my own city lets them off with a slap on the wrist. it makes me
wonder if there's an underground sub society that protects their
own.

California has an infestation of Child Molesters and the judges there give them a slap on the hand.

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Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

This is a real problem in many countries, yet the system lets our
children down time after time.
look at people like Dennis Hastert who became a US Congressman he got
away with molesting for years.
and Jerry Sandusky a coach that raped boy's and the Administration knew
it but kept it quite.

That's totally wrong. Child molestors should be tried and held accountable for their crimes. Sure, if there's any therapy they can try, it should be offered... in prison, while they're serving their sentence.

Our child protection laws have just been upgraded in the last week or so. Hopefully that will weed out a few more predators. Doesn't have a big

We can only hope.

Still a lot of holes, a lot of child abusers don't have a previous record, which makes them hard to detect.

my own city lets them off with a slap on the wrist. it makes me
wonder if there's an underground sub society that protects their
own.

California has an infestation of Child Molesters and the judges there
give them a slap on the hand.

I don't understand why, a decent jail sentence should be considered.


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Re: Re: Guam
By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Sun Aug 13 2017 05:04 pm

California has an infestation of Child Molesters and the judges there give them a slap on the hand.

I don't understand why, a decent jail sentence should be considered.

here's the deal. you can lock them up but eventually they have to be released. and they go back to doing it again.

you cant give these people therapy. they like what they like.
you cant change that.
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Re: Re: Guam
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 12 2017 09:13:18

Re: Re: Guam
By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Sat Aug 12 2017 05:03 pm

I would tend to agree, priests and other people in positions
supervising kids have a very poor track record of chile abuse. There
has been a Royal Commission into institutional sexual/chile abuse
running here for several years and the findings have been horriffic.
The Catholic Church has been in the spotlight in recent times, other
institutions have been called in to the

this problem is rampant and they need a better screening process in schools and other places where adults are with children.
strangely, in some places society protects child predators.

my own city lets them off with a slap on the wrist. it makes me wonder if there's an underground sub society that protects their own.

They probily have Friends a Higher place

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Re: Re: Guam
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 13 2017 11:15 am

here's the deal. you can lock them up but eventually they have to be released. and they go back to doing it again.

you cant give these people therapy. they like what they like.
you cant change that.

I'm not certain that's true. I'm just not CERTAIN that's true. I think we should definitely lock them up and let teams of scientists study them and see if we can figure it out.

"They like what they like" is an interesting thought. Some people get off on balloons, apparently.... who knows? Women's shoes are a popular fetish, apparently. But it's not illegal and doesn't hurt anybody, and I'm not sure people are born that way...

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I'm not certain that's true. I'm just not CERTAIN that's true. I
think we should definitely lock them up and let teams of scientists
study them and see if we can figure it out.

Either way, they need to be locked up to protect the kids, and if anyone can do something to help them while they're in jail, that's a bonus.

"They like what they like" is an interesting thought. Some people get
off on balloons, apparently.... who knows? Women's shoes are a popular fetish, apparently. But it's not illegal and doesn't hurt anybody, and I'm not sure people are born that way...

Fitshes are complicated, some fetishests have traced their fetish back to a childhood experience that they found pleasurable. I have no idea if attraction to children is like this or not, and if it is, whether there's anything that can be done to redirect that desire into something less harmful (i.e. something that would only involve consenting adults).


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Re: Re: Guam
By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Mon Aug 14 2017 04:26 pm

Fitshes are complicated, some fetishests have traced their fetish back to a childhood experience that they found pleasurable. I have no idea if attraction to children is like this or not, and if it is, whether there's anything that can be done to redirect that desire into something less harmful (i.e. something that would only involve consenting adults).

There was a story I heard recently about a guy who had urges for children, but was an ethical guy and DID NOT WANT TO ACT ON THEM... he just had them. He was sorry about it, even, but he did. And he couldn't even find a therapist who would see him. No one wanted to help him, no one even wanted him in their office. He hadn't actually done anything, though. He knew it was wrong and was looking for help. Apparently this isn't so uncommon.

I'm weirded out about that... but in all seriousness WANTING to commit a crime isn't illegal and that guy should absolutely be able to get a therapist if he wants one.

Although I'm also uncomfortable with the idea that sexuality is fluid and can be "cured" with therapy by guiding it into the "right" channels...

I suppose the compromise to somehow TEACH PEOPLE THE TRUTH ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG and let them police themselves... however that might look.

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I'm weirded out about that... but in all seriousness WANTING to commit
a crime isn't illegal and that guy should absolutely be able to get a therapist if he wants one.

It's sad that he wasn't able to get the help that he asked for.

Although I'm also uncomfortable with the idea that sexuality is fluid
and can be "cured" with therapy by guiding it into the "right"
channels...

The question I have is whether there is a genuine innate attraction to children that some are born with, or acquire in infancy, or if this is more like a fetish. Nothing wrong with a fetish, unless it either interferes with one's life, or causes someone to commit a crime over it. Most people probably have a fetish or two, no big deal. :)

I suppose the compromise to somehow TEACH PEOPLE THE TRUTH ABOUT RIGHT
AND WRONG and let them police themselves... however that might look.

Well, if that was going to work, it would be good, but sexual urges can be pretty strong.

The more I follow this thread, the more I see research is needed into understanding the nature of paedophilia, so it can be better managed, which would keep kids safer from predators.


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