Thats why Mr Musk needs to hurry with his electric cars, and put some affordable ones on the road.. at least we can make our own fule here and not have to be dependant on the middle east. and other "undesirable" parts of the world that is holding oil over our heads..
It seems Tesla is
trying to be more of a luxury electric car maker.
The local job listings keep showing positions for one company as "company confidential", but the job description refers to the client as a "high performance electric car manufacturer in Fremont, CA". Gee, wonder who they're talking about?
There are other brands that make more affordable electric cars. There's the Nissan Leaf, Chevrolet Bolt, FIAT 500e, Volkswagen E-Golf, and probably several others that I don't know about. They seem to be in the $30,000 range, which is still a bit more than the average consumer might want to pay for a car, but quite a bit less than Tesla's cars. It seems Tesla is trying to be more of a luxury electric car maker.
We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.
It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.
KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-
We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market
something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of
sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis
asses.. the crap needs to stop.
I'm tired of seeing the same old crap just played out over and over again.. we truly are in a new age and need to start acting like it.
first item on the agenda. get rid of the dinosaurs in Washington. It's time for new blood.
KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-
Look up the Evo I believe... in the early 90's we already had fairly viable electric cars on the market.. for about a week.. before they
were pulled and thousands were taken to the heap and crushed..
POLITICS.
Re: Cars and fuel
By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:46 pm
We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.
It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.
Re: Cars and fuel
By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 17:34:06
It seems to me like change takes time.. We'll probably eventually get there, but it will probably take longer than we think it should.
Look up the Evo I believe... in the early 90's we already had fairly viable electric cars on the market.. for about a week.. before they were pulled and thousands were taken to the heap and crushed.. POLITICS.
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there's a lot of hard working people in the usa that would be affected if we dropped oil. it would create chaos. we are going to use oil forever. solar sucks. alternative energies suck in comparison to oil.
another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream.
could i
screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays? that would really suck.
another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays?
I'm a big fan of electric cars, though storage technology still needs some improvement. Companies like Tesla have certainly come a long way. Add some
renewable energy, and speaking of renewable energy, why not add some solar panels to the roof of the car. Sure, it would be a slow way to charge the main battery, but it could add useful amounts of charge when the car is not
Politics and economics (vested interests). As for "viable", that's a matter of definition. I would want a minimum 500 km range between charges - enough for a round trip to Melbourne, and since charging currently takes some time (that could change if capacitor become competitive with batteries), "topping up" is not as convenient as it is with petrol powered cars. But the time for electric cars is well overdue. They do make a lot of sense on so many levels, should be a lot cheaper to own, being essentially simple, mechanically speaking. Maintenance costs should be a lot less.
Big changes in technology naturally cause some disruption, but I think the economy and job market would recover. I'm sure the change from horse & buggies to automobiles was a disruption, but we're fine now.. And although alternative energies suck now, I'm sure technology to provide alternative energy will get better. For one, the sun has a lot of energy, and it seems to me if we could harness it and store it more efficiently, there should be plenty of energy from the sun to power much of our things. Seems like there's a lot of energy coming from the sun that we just aren't capturing, or aren't capturing very well.
From what I've heard, I believe today's rechargeable batteries (specifically lithium-ion) don't suffer from problems with partial charging. Earlier
another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging it during the weekdays?
True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges, or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?
Re: Cars and fuel
By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 13:02:02
There are other brands that make more affordable electric cars.
There's the Nissan Leaf, Chevrolet Bolt, FIAT 500e, Volkswagen
E-Golf, and probably several others that I don't know about. They
seem to be in the $30,000 range, which is still a bit more than the
average consumer might want to pay for a car, but quite a bit less
than Tesla's cars. It seems Tesla is trying to be more of a luxury
electric car maker.
We need a decent 20-30,000 range pure electric car on the market something affordable for the average working stiff..we have plenty of sun, hydrogen, and alternative energies to be kissing the saudis asses.. the crap needs to stop.
I'm tired of seeing the same old crap just played out over and over again.. we truly are in a new age and need to start acting like it. first item on the agenda. get rid of the dinosaurs in Washington. It's time for new blood.
the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.
True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges, or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?
also if the battery goes out, the cost of the battery is so high, i wouldnt replace it. i'd just get a good used regular car for that cost.
You will never get that
all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB
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True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges,
or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?
I joined the Maricopa emergency comms group for a full day training and they definitely instilled the fear of God in us when it comes to batteries. Scary when you realize the charger must be 100% functional to keep it from exploding! Makes me wonder just how much I can trust those Baofeng radios and the charger they come with.
i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a wall with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we could have learned and can do all that we can do with batteries. he could be wrong, but we will see.
we will not run out of natural gas, or oil. in many hundreds of years. we are actually capping wells with oil because the cost of oil is so low.
Re: Re: Cars and fuel
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:37:01
the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.
You must not have read up on solar panels lately then.. they are very close to having a viable FILM that can be wrapped on any surface that acts as solar conducter.
So that blows that argument out of the water so to speak.
every year we see all kinds of new stuff online and in science magazines but they never come to fruition.
solar is just not a good energy source.
another thing to consider about electric cars is the batteries are
expensive as fuuuuck. and do they really last that long? dont
know, i'm not sure if anybody really knows. electric cars arent
mainstream. could i screw up my battery by only partially charging
it during the weekdays?
True.. Especially LiPo batteries.. they do not like partial charges,
or to be overcharged. Hydrogen maybe?
also if the battery goes out, the cost of the battery is so high, i wouldnt replace it. i'd just get a good used regular car for that cost.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a wall
with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we could have learned and can do all that we can do with batteries. he could be
wrong, but we will see.
the type of solar panels that would be added to a car would be ugly and not even generate much energy at all. you would be better off having a wind turbine mounted to your roof.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i drove across the country this summer. it was an 18 hr trip. we took turns driving. if it was a trip in an electric car it would have
taken a lot longer and it would have been a big pain in the ass.
Electric cars are not an option for the vast majority of people in the USA.
definatly not at this point where we have more and more US oil wells and natural Gas wells comming on line not to mention Canadian oil.
I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that provide that energy.
Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a good tail wind.
I've noticed a lot of contractor job postings tend to be worded like that. The last couple times I was unemployed, I ran into that a lot...
I'm a big fan of electric cars, though storage technology still needs some improvement. Companies like Tesla have certainly come a long way. Add some renewable energy, and speaking of renewable energy, why not add some solar panels to the roof of the car.
Most of the time it seems there's no chance you'll be presented for the position and instead they'll mention a handful of other positions. The original position appears to be a bait and switch.
I've had recruiters want to "get me in their system" before they even discuss the position - references, salary history, etc... and that rubs me the wrong way. It's got to be a two-way street.
Thats why the thousands of cars they built in the 90's (BRAND NEW CARS) were sent to the junk heap to be crushed. They said there was a "Massive Recall" on these cars. but wee all kow tha ns,
I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that provide that energy.
Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a good tail wind.
i saw a ted talk of some energy expert and he said we have hit a
wall with batteries in regards. i guess we've learned all that we
Again, technology is changing fast. I don't expect on board solar panels to be a particularly fast way to charge your car, but if you're spending a week on a camping trip, you could accumulate a useful amount of charge while parked at your campsite. :)
(TRUE)I know people screem about green energy "wind Solar" but even with
those they make up a very small percentage of our overall power needs.
and how are electric cars charged? mostly by coal power plants that
provide that energy.
yeah, it's like how in some cases recycling is causing more polution and waste than just not recycling.(TRUE)
some report gett about 280 mpc (Miles per Chrage).Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a
good tail wind.
that's another important point about electric cars. if they have to go uphill it's hard on the battery. if they go downhill, it's easy on them. if i would have had an electric car during my summer trip , it would have taken several days with all the charging. and i dont even think i could find places to charge it all the time if i wanted to take an electric car.Can't willy wonka invent the everlasting gas gobstopper?
really all you need to worry avout is the LiPos in the really cheap Chinese tablets and hoverboards. the only issue the baofeng will give you is a small burn when transmitting if you happen to touch the contats at the back while txing.. maybe out some electrical tape over them.
Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.
Again, technology is changing fast. I don't expect on board solar panels to be a particularly fast way to charge your car, but if you're spending a week on a camping trip, you could accumulate a useful amount of charge while parked at your campsite. :)
Probably enough to keep ou cellphones, Laptops and Tablets charged.
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You sound like you've played around with this more than I have =) So no worries about touching the antenna on the HT when transmitting at 5w? What about 50w on the mobile in my saturn? haha... I rarely kick it up that much, as I think just having the 5/8 wavelength antenna is the key there. Although I do have to kick it to 50w to hit the repeaters on Mt Lemmon down by Tucson as I'm up in North Scottsdale (~100-120mi, but it's a tall mountain).
They definitely need to be able to hold more of a charge and be able to go further on a charge. I think another issue is that there aren't enough charging stations, and it takes a while to charge them.
To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.
i'm 40 years old now. since i was in school i have been told that the world is ending, we are going to lose our entire ozone layer and we will run out of fossil fuels in my lifetime. meanwhile fucking al gore has been using enough energy in one year in his mansion to run a regular house for 30 years.
we will not run out of natural gas, or oil. in many hundreds of years. we are actually capping wells with oil because the cost of oil is so low.
all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB
I've had recruiters want to "get me in their system" before they even discuss the position - references, salary history, etc... and that rubs me the wrong way. It's got to be a two-way street.
I think most recruiters these days work on commission, which is sick.
To bad Cold Fushion was a pipe dream.
If you like classic Science Fiction, check out "The Midas Plague", by Federick Pohl. The lever for the plot is the invention of viable cold fusion and the societal changes it brings about.
(TRUE)
some report gett about 280 mpc (Miles per Chrage).Electric cars right now can go about 200 miles on a flat road with a
good tail wind.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Very inciteful message has something been wrong with your editor or something?
Re: Cars and fuel
By: spacesst to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:52 am
all of many Compagny and/or individual Want Money
if you get a Car like this , Every body will lost their JOB
My mind is blown by this. As technology advances and we constantly reinvent production methods to increase profits everyone loses their job anyway.
If you like classic Science Fiction, check out "The Midas Plague", by
Federick Pohl. The lever for the plot is the invention of viable cold
fusion and the societal changes it brings about.
Thanks I will see if I can find it on audiobook.
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