Why is it the government wants to run health care? they can't even run the the Government for crying out loud.
Canada has gvmt run healthcare and they are on a huge waiting list for operations and such.
Canadians come to the USA or other countries to get decent fast healthcare.
Roadhog wrote to All <=-
Why is it the government wants to run health care? they can't even run
the the Government for crying out loud.
They should just stay out of the healthcare business other than regulating it. The free market with stiff competition should run health care they did it better than the government did.
Canada has gvmt run healthcare and they are on a huge waiting list for operations and such.
Canadians come to the USA or other countries to get decent fast healthcare.
Actually you cannot be turned away from the Emergency Room in the USA.Why is it the government wants to run health care? they can't even
From an outsider's point of view, we see the US healthcare system as appalling.
What sort of system rejects patients, because they can't affford to pay? Or happen to not work somewhere that includes insurance as an employee benefit? To me, this is all just wrong.
regulating it. The free market with stiff competition should run health care they did it better than the government did.
From an outsider's point of view, we see the US healthcare system as appalling.
Australia has a government run system. The worst aspect of it is successive governments, especially conservative ones, trying to bring more US style changes in through the back door, leaving the system under resourced. The
regulating it. The free market with stiff competition should run
health care they did it better than the government did.
Australia has a government run system. The worst aspect of it is
successive governments, especially conservative ones, trying to bring
more US style changes in through the back door, leaving the system
under resourced. The
Thank you for that.
The first thing I think an outsider needs to be aware of is that in the US being a Conservative is a religion.
Government run Health Care is a bad thing for any nation, Look at the percentage of taxes people pay to get GVMT run healthcare.
Canadians pay around 42% in all taxes free health care is not FREE!
Aussies pay over 30% of their income in taxes.
Government run Health Care is a bad thing for any nation, Look at the percentage of taxes people pay to get GVMT run healthcare.
Canadians pay around 42% in all taxes free health care is not FREE!
Aussies pay over 30% of their income in taxes.
million dollars, so if you're mad about the government potentially throwing money away on *the health and well being of its citizens* I don't know what
on the market) it would cost about an extra $500/month. Honestly I'd rather pay that in taxes than have it go to United Healthcare's CEO, and that is real talk.
From an outsider's point of view, we see the US healthcare system as appalling.
What sort of system rejects patients, because they can't affford to pay?
Or happen to not work somewhere that includes insurance as an employee benefit? To me, this is all just wrong.
which also covers extras that the public system doesn't cover. For me, such private insurance would cost a significant proportion of income for little or no real benefit (I work part time/casual), though it is affordable for middle income earners and higher.
My only issue is comparing Sweden, the UK and Australia's medical systems to the USA - maybe the issue is that solutions that work for them don't scale to a subscriber base of 300 million or so.
$1,140,000 each? Do you remember not that long ago when the US launched 59 of them at an empty airfield in Syria just to make a point? That cost SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS.
on the market) it would cost about an extra $500/month. Honestly I'd rather pay that in taxes than have it go to United Healthcare's CEO, and that is real talk.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Thank you for that.
The first thing I think an outsider needs to be aware of is that in the
US being a Conservative is a religion.
Liberals are of course stupid atheist pro-abortion college students
that have never had a real job and hate white people. That's what Breitbart taught me, but I don't know.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i dont think any country is doing it right.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
if you were sick you'd go in and get treatment.
there were places you can go to get treatment. people werent turned
away. there's all kinds of programs from many types of places. even
pharm companies.
Roadhog wrote to Leregard <=-
Aussies pay over 30% of their income in taxes.
Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-
$500/month. Honestly I'd rather pay that in taxes than have it go to United Healthcare's CEO, and that is real talk.
Also, c'mon man, there's an AUSTRALIAN in this conversation, try to impress him.
Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-
You don't trust the government to manage a health care program, but I'm guessing it's basically ok with you that the government has guns and
bombs and Special Forces and kills people... why do we trust them to
do THAT?
...when apparently building roads or schools or whatever is too just
too damn hard for them and we need private corporations to save us all
by doing it for a profit instead? Have you ever thought about that?
Maybe we should privatize the military. We privatized prisons and that worked out ok... I mean... hm...
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
if you were sick you'd go in and get treatment.
there were places you can go to get treatment. people werent turned away. there's all kinds of programs from many types of places. even pharm companies.
Yeah just curious how that worked, and whether there was any payment after the fact, or debt, or whatever.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
you could go into the ER and get it done and not pay. after a while
they stop going after you.
regarding the pharm programs, they are discounts for people that need
the drugs. the companies do it so they can make themselves look good.
then there's walk in clinics that are cheap and fast and no bullshit.
it's not the way people in other countries think it was/is.
right now buying healthcare is manditory. so if they go with obama care they cant afford it and pay a penalty. the only way you can afford it
is if you're not working, which is no improvement. other individual states had shit setup for poor people to get healthcare.
Maybe we should privatize the military. We privatized prisons and
that worked out ok...
well you should have more issues than just one with the comparison, but this is a good one to point out. sweden, uk and australia are small and very different from eachother and the united states in many ways.
the airfield wasn't empty.
i would like to have all the money i pay for insurance and social security to go into a bank account that collects interest. when i need a procedure i would get the money out of this savings account.
The US is actually more right wing than most countries, economically speaking, because of the core belief in independence and the free marker with minimal intervention.
you could go into the ER and get it done and not pay. after a while they stop going after you.
regarding the pharm programs, they are discounts for people that need the drugs. the companies do it so they can make themselves look good.
then there's walk in clinics that are cheap and fast and no bullshit.
it's not the way people in other countries think it was/is.
Really I think it all boils down to this:
You don't trust the government to manage a health care program, but I'm guessing it's basically ok with you that the government has guns and bombs and Special Forces and kills people... why do we trust them to do THAT?
We have a military presence in something like 114 countries. Pull those military back to work on infrastructure projects and home defense, and let Blackwater charge those countries for defense services.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We have a military presence in something like 114 countries. Pull those military back to work on infrastructure projects and home defense, and
let Blackwater charge those countries for defense services.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I disagree we have a "core belief" in the free market with minimal intervention. I understand it looks that way, but we had a strong
labor movement for a long time (like every civilized country) and "regulations" like 40 hour weeks, overtime pay, NOT breathing toxic
fumes on the assembly line until you die and they replace you with
the roads aren't falling apart, and the trains run on time, maybe
never... at no point does social responsibility look like "maybe I
should pay more in taxes and get over myself", but eventually it does. Eventually we overhaul a broken a system, and we can do it the easy way
or the hard way.
Leregard wrote to Mro <=-
I don't see why in only this one particular instance we're ok throwing
our hands up and saying it's too hard.
Defending ones homeland is the 1st priority of a government.
Imposing taxes to pay for the Military and weapons is a must.
It's not so much that I trust some of these Buffoon's
the point is government gets involved in things the founding fathers never wanted the Government to be involved in.
you could go into the ER and get it done and not pay. after a while they stop going after you.
Really?
the drugs. the companies do it so they can make themselves look good. then there's walk in clinics that are cheap and fast and no bullshit.
The government looks after that here.
right now buying healthcare is manditory. so if they go with obama care they cant afford it and pay a penalty. the only way you can afford it is if you're not working, which is no improvement. other individual states had shit setup for poor people to get healthcare.
OK, that was clear as mud. :)
well you should have more issues than just one with the comparison, but this is a good one to point out. sweden, uk and australia are small and very different from eachother and the united states in many ways.
That is true. They're all very different from the US and very different from each other and somehow they ALL managed to figure health care for the majority of citizens out.
How is that different from just a bank account? If you want to put your money in a bank account, or invest it in stock, go ahead. That's not a health care plan.
you could go into the ER and get it done and not pay. after a while they stop going after you.
regarding the pharm programs, they are discounts for people that need the drugs. the companies do it so they can make themselves look good.
then there's walk in clinics that are cheap and fast and no bullshit.
it's not the way people in other countries think it was/is.
I have to go ahead and call bullshit on the idea that stealing healthcare from an ER and hanging up on bill collectors until they stop calling you, or relying on the pity and public relations marketing of pharm companies to give you *discounts* on drugs that you need to continue being alive is a really great system.
Maybe, but what about your minimum wages? Why is it that tipping is mandatory over there (unlike here)? Your minimum wage is probably less than half of ours. Sure, that does create issues, like replacement with foreign
you could go into the ER and get it done and not pay. after a
while they stop going after you.
Really?
yep, i did it in the past.
I have to go ahead and call bullshit on the idea that stealing
healthcare from an ER and hanging up on bill collectors until they
stop calling you, or relying on the pity and public relations
marketing of pharm companies to give you *discounts* on drugs that you
need to continue being alive is a really great system.
ERs steal from people each time someone is treated. why the hell not?
or atleast pay it at your leasure.
there is NO great system. i'd rather buy my own insurance than have the
nobody should be making 'minimum wage' except retirees and kids.
if you are an adult making min wage you made some bad fucking life choices.
regarding tipping, it's a way for the restaurant to rip off everybody. it's bullshit. sometimes it's a good way to reward good service or punish for bad service, though. that part i like.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Really?
yep, i did it in the past.
the drugs. the companies do it so they can make themselves look good. then there's walk in clinics that are cheap and fast and no bullshit.
The government looks after that here.
walk in clinics are great. i prefer them over anything.
quick and affordable.
right now buying healthcare is manditory. so if they go with obama care they cant afford it and pay a penalty. the only way you can afford it is if you're not working, which is no improvement. other individual states had shit setup for poor people to get healthcare.
OK, that was clear as mud. :)
people that NEED 'affordable health care' cant afford it unless they
have almost no income and it is given to them. everyone else paying through the nose. also i make ok to good money but buying obamacare
would be way expensive for me. people in unskilled jobs cant buy it so they have to take a financial penalty which i think is 800 usd
I have to go ahead and call bullshit on the idea that stealing
healthcare from an ER and hanging up on bill collectors until they
stop calling you, or relying on the pity and public relations
ERs steal from people each time someone is treated. why the hell
not? or atleast pay it at your leasure.
AGREED!
yeah but i'm required to buy healthcare. and i have to have SS and all these other deductions taken out since i started working.
i'd rather plan my own future and health with that money.
ERs steal from people each time someone is treated. why the hell not?
or atleast pay it at your leasure.
there is NO great system. i'd rather buy my own insurance than have the fucking govt involved. it's a big mess.
nobody should be making 'minimum wage' except retirees and kids.
if you are an adult making min wage you made some bad fucking life choices.
ERs steal from people each time someone is treated. why the hell
not? or atleast pay it at your leasure.
Hospital's make outrageous charges, for instance $15.00 per asprin.
$50 for pair of gloves, $10 for plastic cup to administer medicine.
these are example from a Readers Digest article.
Maybe, but what about your minimum wages? Why is it that tipping is mandatory over there (unlike here)? Your minimum wage is probably less than half of ours. Sure, that does create issues, like replacement with foreign labour in foreign countries, but at least hospitality workers here don't
if you are an adult making min wage you made some bad fucking life choices.
Ok. I can acknowledge that, and I'm not anti-military. Self-defense is important. HOWEVER, there's fuck all to defend if your infrastructure is in chaos, you are perhaps in a CIVIL war, and most people of your people are dying of disease or starvation, so I respectfully disagree that it's the FIRST or most important priority.
regarding tipping, it's a way for the restaurant to rip off everybody. it's bullshit. sometimes it's a good way to reward good service or punish for bad service, though. that part i like.
right now buying healthcare is manditory. so if they go with obama
care they cant afford it and pay a penalty. the only way you can
afford it is if you're not working, which is no improvement.
other individual states had shit setup for poor people to get
healthcare.
I have to go ahead and call bullshit on the idea that stealing
healthcare from an ER and hanging up on bill collectors until they
stop calling you, or relying on the pity and public relations
The collection agencies after awhile will settle your bill for really cheap. My Ex-Wife after our Divorce was finalized went to the ER several
ERs steal from people each time someone is treated. why the hell
not? or atleast pay it at your leasure.
Hospital's make outrageous charges, for instance $15.00 per asprin.
$50 for pair of gloves, $10 for plastic cup to administer medicine.
these are example from a Readers Digest article.
AGREED!
"... Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which you can die."
if you are an adult making min wage you made some bad fucking life
choices.
It's crazy to me that you're obviously into the BBS scene, etc., and go to so much trouble (and such weird trouble, at that) to connect with other human beings, but then can so totally fail at connecting with other human beings.
Do you say "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" or is that just an American thing?
We have a national mythology where if you're not rich, it is your fault for not being smart enough or trying hard enough.
people that NEED 'affordable health care' cant afford it unless they have almost no income and it is given to them. everyone else paying through the nose. also i make ok to good money but buying obamacare would be way expensive for me. people in unskilled jobs cant buy it so they have to take a financial penalty which i think is 800 usd
Thats exactly why the government needs to regulate healthcare only, the free market with competition will bring prices back to an affordable level.
I had so many Over inflated ER bills from the past that I would have NEVER got out ouf debt, iver the years they ended up selling them to 7 or 8 different companies for pennies on the dollar. by the time those companies get to them they have already forgotten what the original bill was for and the statute of limitation have already run out on the original.
Just hook up with credit karmha or the like and get the records expunged from your report. I've had 12,000 worth medical debt and 25,000 of credit card debt expunged. and to tell you the truth I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE SOME OF THIS SHIT CAME FROM. My credit report shows me as living at 3 different locations during my adult life. I have only lived at ONE my adult life.
It also lists me as using the alias Tim Stevens (NEVER HAVE) yet stevens is my sisters maiden name. and one of those addresses it had me listed at was her old address.. can anyone say identity theft?
yeah but i'm required to buy healthcare. and i have to have SS and all these other deductions taken out since i started working.
i'd rather plan my own future and health with that money.
I don't think you have a full grasp of what taxes are and what they pay for, and why they're necessary. I have a feeling you see a world that revolves around you.
there is NO great system. i'd rather buy my own insurance than have the fucking govt involved. it's a big mess.
Ugh. Buy it from WHERE? It still comes from SOMEWHERE, right? Maybe just become a doctor and do it yourself then.
Do you have any fucking idea how much a surgery costs, or even ONE night in the hospital, or long term cancer treatment? How much money do you make a year that you think the tiny percentage money you give out in SOCIAL SECURITY tax would ever cover an emergency? Please, tell us.
There is a non-trivial number of people who are in a bad place in their adult lives for reasons entirely outside of their control, including sick children or the death of a spouse...
... or something as simple as their coal mine in West Virginia closing and there not being any other jobs.
Has nothing bad ever happened to you? You seem way overdue for something bad happening to you, if this is how you see other people's suffering.
We have a national mythology where if you're not rich, it is your fault for not being smart enough or trying hard enough.
Which is of course, not true. I used to live in the Detroit area and I
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 03 2017 10:36 pm
if you are an adult making min wage you made some bad fucking life choices.
It's crazy to me that you're obviously into the BBS scene, etc., and go to so much trouble (and such weird trouble, at that) to connect with other
regarding tipping, it's a way for the restaurant to rip off everybody. it's bullshit. sometimes it's a good way to reward good service or punish for bad service, though. that part i like.
Things are sliding quickly now -- one restaurant I went to adds an 18% service charge to all bills, not just large parties where they want to ensure a tip >15%.
I'd like to see a restaurant pay an attractive wage, abolish tips and raise prices to cover - see if they can garner a following. Although people look at the price on the menu and not the bill, so most people would be turned off.
It's crazy to me that you're obviously into the BBS scene, etc., and go to so much trouble (and such weird trouble, at that) to connect with other human beings, but then can so totally fail at connecting with other human beings.
Boom! Spot on!
Al Franken did a great speech about why he was a democrat. He explained that he came from a solid middle class background, his family was decently off, and his wife's family not so much. His mother-in-law was widowed with 5 kids and was able to send each of those kids off to college and the mom went back to school and studied to become a teacher. They all ended up contributing to society in meaningful ways.
It's crazy to me that you're obviously into the BBS scene, etc., and go to so much trouble (and such weird trouble, at that) to connect with other human beings, but then can so totally fail at connecting with other human beings.
I'd like to see a restaurant pay an attractive wage, abolish tips and raise prices to cover - see if they can garner a following. Although people look at the price on the menu and not the bill, so most people would be turned off.
i dont think anybody has a full grasp. but i know what deductions are used for what for the most part. i know i'm paying into SS but i'll probably never get it.
you can even get money to go to college, but not many people take advantage of that.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Do you say "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" or is that just an American thing?
We have a national mythology where if you're not rich, it is your fault for not being smart enough or trying hard enough.
Which is of course, not true. I used to live in the Detroit area and I know, directly, that manufacturing jobs in the car industry used to pay $35+/hour plus benefits and a vacation, which was a good, middle class income. And now they... let's just say they don't.
I'm not sure when this started, but all of a sudden no one cared
anymore and when businesses started doing shitty things like giving you
29 hours a week to screw you out of "full time" status and health insurance, no one said anything. And this is where we are.
costs for just me to have insurance. The best we can do is file for an exemption on the mandate and simply not have insurance. Which considering my fiancee's health conditions and her son being special needs is completely untenable.
They call this the "family affordability glitch."
They call this the "family affordability glitch."
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes me too me too. I found out I was in the "family affordability glitch" the first week into a new job and I went crazy about it. My wife is in ok health, and she got an OK plan. More than we want to spend, but cheaper than getting it through work. (She's self-employed).
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
connecting with other human beings.
Boom! Spot on!
to know me is to love me
It only flies because dovenet has apparently turned into an unmoderated forum. If that came from your BBS or mine, wouldn't you blacklist the user? That's right... I like dovenet because of the amount of traffic, but the number of messages I have to /ignore is pretty darn high. Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
That's right... I like dovenet because of the amount of traffic, but the number of messages I have to /ignore is pretty darn high. Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
It only flies because dovenet has apparently turned into an unmoderated forum. If that came from your BBS or mine, wouldn't you blacklist the user? That's right... I like dovenet because of the amount of traffic, but the number of messages I have to /ignore is pretty darn high. Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to Leregard on Fri Aug 04 2017 04:23 pm
i dont think anybody has a full grasp. but i know what deductions are used for what for the most part. i know i'm paying into SS but i'll probably never get it.
I've heard that my whole life, and yet the US keeps spending waaay more than it takes in. As long as we're just playing pretend with the budget, we should be good, right? lulz...
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Darkwing to Leregard on Fri Aug 04 2017 15:01:42
It only flies because dovenet has apparently turned into an unmoderated forum. If that came from your BBS or mine, wouldn't you blacklist the user? That's right... I like dovenet because of the amount of traffic, but the number of messages I have to /ignore is pretty darn high. Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
The twitlist is a beautiful thing.. it takes a lot for me to twit someone though because most of them I get as much quality posts as I do trollbait.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Mro <=-
I'd like to see a restaurant pay an attractive wage, abolish tips and raise prices to cover - see if they can garner a following. Although people look at the price on the menu and not the bill, so most people would be turned off.
Roadhog wrote to Mro <=-
Thats exactly why the government needs to regulate healthcare only, the free market with competition will bring prices back to an affordable level.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Leregard <=-
His line: "Conservatives like to say that people need to pull
themselves up by their bootstraps -- and that's a great idea. But first you've got to have the boots. And the government gave my wife's family
the boots..."
user.can is your friend. :)
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Darkwing to Leregard on Fri Aug 04 2017 03:01 pm
That's right... I like dovenet because of the amount of traffic, but the number of messages I have to /ignore is pretty darn high. Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
user.can is your friend. :)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Mro <=-
I'd like to see a restaurant pay an attractive wage, abolish tips and raise prices to cover - see if they can garner a following. Although people look at the price on the menu and not the bill, so most people would be turned off. [0m
Well, they do it here, wages are reasonable, with penalty rates for weekend/public holiday work, and eating out is a popular pastime.
Thats exactly why the government needs to regulate healthcare only, the free market with competition will bring prices back to an affordable level.
Where is the competition going to come from? There's a lot of big players
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Leregard <=-
His line: "Conservatives like to say that people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps -- and that's a great idea. But first you've got to have the boots. And the government gave my wife's family the boots..." [0m
That makes sense - sometimes you need that start, then off you go. :)
over 30 years, every paycheck it's a fortune. especially if it can collect interest.
you really fucking over react about ever single thing.
it's like you are the human equivalent of an exposed nerve.
number of messages I have to /ignore is pretty darn high. Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
The local community college here, Rio Salado, offers fully online classes, open entry/open exit, at $86/credit. That's about 1/10th the cost of ASU, and should be within the reach of anybody willing to work.
oh, you are over reacting.
you blame me for shit but the other guys are just as bad. the only difference is i'm one person and they are many and i dont take it.
i came from nothing so if other people cant do what i did and support themselves, fuck them.
over 30 years, every paycheck it's a fortune. especially if it can
collect interest.
Not if the economy crashes and a dollar is worthless.
No one ever seems to think about that. Assuming your 401k will only increase forever is like thinking bullets can only hit other people.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yes, but in some cases waitstaff make much more than any wage that the employer would pay.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Where is the competition going to come from? There's a lot of big players
the ins companies would compete for clients.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it
and dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that check.
this guy said he would blacklist me but he still replies back to all my msgs regardless of if i'm posting 'bad' things or not.
i dont think he knows what trolling is anyways.
user.can is your friend. :)
i haven't had to add anyone to the blacklist since Jokester lol...
Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
user.can is your friend. :)
i know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it and dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that check.
over 30 years, every paycheck it's a fortune. especially if it can
collect interest.
Not if the economy crashes and a dollar is worthless.
No one ever seems to think about that. Assuming your 401k will only increase forever is like thinking bullets can only hit other people.
yes, but in some cases waitstaff make much more than any wage that
the employer would pay.
I would like some evidence, like at least some real world numbers.
andi know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it
k.dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that chec
Yep... Sad really.. and pisses me off.. Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand up... Not a way of life.. and NO, drug testing these reciepients will not
help. Its simple to pass a drug test.. wanna get a lot of people off welfare?
require them to do X amount of community service per day a long with Job searches. That'll take care of a good many right there..
and no folks.. I'm not talking about Disability, I'm talking about welfare, Section 8, etc..
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about 150.00 daily on tips alone.
Personally, I believe that our state politicians is nothing but talk; they claim they will build new roads and fix them, but all they do is either spray tar on the cracks, fill pot holes, or lay metal plates in the middle of the road and leaving them there for months on out. That's not fixing, it's stalling.
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about
150.00 daily on tips alone.
Man, I'm in the wrong field; that's actually a little less than I make now. I'm not sure what your base salaery was, but it sounds like $150/day was really good money for a teenager. :)
you blame me for shit but the other guys are just as bad. the only difference is i'm one person and they are many and i dont take it.
heard gold and silver can be a good alternative investment, but that seems to depend on who you ask. I've heard others say it isn't really worth it to invest much in gold and silver.
Man, I'm in the wrong field; that's actually a little less than I make now. I'm not sure what your base salaery was, but it sounds like $150/d was really good money for a teenager. :)
I made like $1.75 an hour on wait staff pay... so when business was dead it sucked..
and pack in the 90s it actually paid well to deliver pizza also.. you they would pay around 7.50-8.00 an hour plus mileage (.45c a mile at that time) p tips.. I would easily pull in around 6-900 a week for a 5 day work week..
Thats before all the pizza places got greedy.. They used to pay the drivers mileage out of their own store fund.. now the CHARGE the customer a 2-3 doll delivery fee, and only give the driver 1 dollar of that (and the driver is t one running his car ragged) now since the customer is getting charged a delivery fee most of them think it all goes to the driver, so they no longer tip the driver.
what used to be a good 100.00 dollar night plus base pay, now your lucly if make enough tips and mileage to pay for fuel. so this is why pizza delivery (dominos and papa johns) has gotten so shitty..
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes me too me too. I found out I was in the "family affordability glitch" the first week into a new job and I went crazy about it. My wife is in ok health, and she got an OK plan. More than we want to spend, but cheaper than getting it through work. (She's self-employed).
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to Leregard on Fri Aug 04 2017 04:24 pm
over 30 years, every paycheck it's a fortune. especially if it can collect interest.
Not if the economy crashes and a dollar is worthless.
No one ever seems to think about that. Assuming your 401k will only increase forever is like thinking bullets can only hit other people.
Ok, so here's the thing. You're a tiny man who feels like the whole world
i came from nothing so if other people cant do what i did and support themselves, fuck them.
Please go on. Tell us about your sad childhood and how you overcome all your sad feelings and weaknesses to be super tough and emotionally invincible.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yes, but in some cases waitstaff make much more than any wage that the employer would pay.
I would like some evidence, like at least some real world numbers.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it and dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that check.
That is true, there are a small number of "bludgers" as we call them, but the majority on welfare here just want a job, and the market has been more
i dont think he knows what trolling is anyways.
^^^^ What I typed above is an example of trolling for those who are not in the know. A simple, short stament, written only to piss a person off.. It does'nt mean I don't like you.. It does'nt mean I think you're a retard,
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Darkwing to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 04 2017 19:34:10
user.can is your friend. :)
i haven't had to add anyone to the blacklist since Jokester lol...
Ol Maxi Pad.. bout forgot about him.. where did his buddy Time Warper go..
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 04 2017 23:30:31
Again, please don't feed the trolls =)
user.can is your friend. :)
LOL.
afaik PF has been around as long or longer than you have..
i know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it and dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that check.
Yep... Sad really.. and pisses me off.. Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand up... Not a way of life.. and NO, drug testing these reciepients will not help. Its simple to pass a drug test.. wanna get a lot of people off
Take that crap and turn it into something tangible.. like GOLD.. or even better, spend the shit out of it now.. make some risky, High Yield investments. and make the big money.. then be set for life..
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Vk3jed to Mro on Sat Aug 05 2017 16:29:00
yes, but in some cases waitstaff make much more than any wage that
the employer would pay.
I would like some evidence, like at least some real world numbers.
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about 150.00 daily on tips alone.
Had the same thought as well: give those on welfare a job doing community service work. Have them earn the money that they are getting from the government, which is actually from tax payers.
I also had thought that, maybe, we can have the nonviolent prisoners work on roads for DOT. I am not sure about other states, but the state I live in is terribly inefffcient when it comes to getting roads repaired. They recently pass a law to raise property and fuel taxes to "help fund the DOT and building new roads".
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to Darkwing on Fri Aug 04 2017 09:03 pm
you blame me for shit but the other guys are just as bad. the only difference is i'm one person and they are many and i dont take it.
I would like you to apologize for using autistic earlier as an insult. My son is autistic and the idea that you view him as so subhuman that he should be used as an insult is disturbing.
I never worked a job when I was a teenager, and I when I was in college, I was only a technician assistant for a keyboard and organ repair business that only only had one other employee and the owner who did most of the work. I was paid $6/hour then. I had no idea about being an employee at a resturant and didn't know about how tough it was to get such a fluxuating income.
Yea, it has been noticed as a consumer that they have been terrible lately. As far as where my family lives now, that is our only choices as far as national pizza francheis goes. There are a few of the local ones, but one of won't deliver to our house; we would have to drive there and pick it up.
I am OK with Papa John's, but Domino's I couldn't stand for a long time. They launched an agressive advertising campaign to where they would send people out to do sign spinning on busy intersections, and they tried to copy Little Ceaser's as well. My wife and I didn't get Domino's for years because of that.
My wife and I do tip the driver, and we know about the delivery charge that is listed on the order from Papa John's; I guess we are one of the few people who do tip the drivers.
Personally, I believe that our state politicians is nothing but
talk; they claim they will build new roads and fix them, but all
they do is either spray tar on the cracks, fill pot holes, or lay
metal plates in the middle of the road and leaving them there for
months on out. That's not fixing, it's stalling.
I agree 100 percent with everything siad here.
yeah , roads around here are horrible. also they dont cut the city grass often enough and complain about lack of people. why cant the inmates or community service people do it? unions!
It's weird you should mention that, because that's also MY local community college.
i haven't had to add anyone to the blacklist since Jokester lol...Ol Maxi Pad.. bout forgot about him.. where did his buddy Time Warper go..
I started working when I was 12. I worked for this guy at a Texas style BBQ place as a Dishwasher. It really was a double edged sword. It was nice having money as a kid at that age, but also it instilled the belief in me that I was a self made man and did'mt need school to succeed in life.
i dont think he knows what trolling is anyways.
^^^^ What I typed above is an example of trolling for those who are
not in the know. A simple, short stament, written only to piss a
person off.. It does'nt mean I don't like you.. It does'nt mean I
think you're a retard,
no that wasnt trolling, that was me being truthful. too many people label
when i went out to an expensive restaurant with my coworkers there was about 15 of us plus family and we tipped around 20 bucks a couple. we also werent the only table our waitress was working on. i'm sure she made big money that night.
i know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it and dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that check.
More likely collude to keep prices high. I don't trust markets to work when there's a small number of big players. That is why we have government regulation, but it doesn't always work as intended.
That is true, there are a small number of "bludgers" as we call them, but the majority on welfare here just want a job, and the market has been more of an employers market in recent years. There is also a scheme where
welfare? require them to do X amount of community service per day a long with Job searches. That'll take care of a good many right there..
and no folks.. I'm not talking about Disability, I'm talking about welfare, Section 8, etc..
No one ever seems to think about that. Assuming your 401k will only increase forever is like thinking bullets can only hit other people.
Take that crap and turn it into something tangible.. like GOLD.. or even better, spend the shit out of it now.. make some risky, High Yield
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about 150.00 daily on tips alone.
Man, I'm in the wrong field; that's actually a little less than I make now. I'm not sure what your base salaery was, but it sounds like $150/day was really good money for a teenager. :)
Thats before all the pizza places got greedy.. They used to pay the drivers mileage out of their own store fund.. now the CHARGE the customer a 2-3 dollar delivery fee, and only give the driver 1 dollar of that (and the
nope
you seem like the type of guy who wears pink shirts and wears black lives matter hats.
I would like you to apologize for using autistic earlier as an insult. My son is autistic and the idea that you view him as so subhuman that he should be used as an insult is disturbing.
too bad , you're not getting it. and i dont view autistics as subhumans. also i think the label autism is something that is overused. some people are just different.
They have a very high turnover rate now that they're doing that crap. back in the day they (Dominos) were actually able to retain their employees and the franchise owner I worked for was great. He promoted from within, he also paid for trip for the managers to go to Ocoee, etc. he booked a trip to Ocoee in 1997 right after they rebuilt the river for the Olympics.. it was a badass ride!. we also had great health insurance. and anyime anyones vehicle broke down, he would loan a company vehicle to us. He was a very cool dude.. and everyone that worked, worked for years upon years... talk about experience!.
Yall are one of the very few.. I can understand in a way why people don't want to anymore because the awful 2 to 3 dollar delivery charge added to the bill. It would'nt be so bad if the company would give the driver the FULL
Inmates escape and people doing community service are lazy and Unions are just a big money pits that make sure the workers get paid big $$$ for doing as little as possible <-just my take on it.
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to jagossel on Sat Aug 05 2017 12:27 pm
yeah , roads around here are horrible. also they dont cut the city grass often enough and complain about lack of people. why cant the inmates or community service people do it? unions!
Inmates escape and people doing community service are lazy and Unions are just a big money pits that make sure the workers get paid big $$$ for doing as little as possible <-just my take on it.
when i went out to an expensive restaurant with my coworkers there was about 15 of us plus family and we tipped around 20 bucks a couple. we also werent the only table our waitress was working on. i'm sure she made big money that night.
Wait staff loves folks like you... I was usually able to tell who were going to be good customers or not, and would work my ass of to giv ethem a great experience.
Many years ago, right after high school really, I had a job as a cashier at a supermarket. And I knew who was paying with whatever the food stamps card was called back then. And I won't lie, some of them were the ugly fat people who couldn't work and were probably on disability for something stupid. But the vast majority were just ordinary looking people and a lot of them looked like graduate students struggling to get by.
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:18 am
welfare? require them to do X amount of community service per day a long with Job searches. That'll take care of a good many right there..
and no folks.. I'm not talking about Disability, I'm talking about welfare, Section 8, etc..
Instead of welfare checks, we could put them to work building pyramids for no reason and pay them federal minimum wage......
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: KK4QBN to jagossel on Sat Aug 05 2017 10:45 am
Thats before all the pizza places got greedy.. They used to pay the drivers mileage out of their own store fund.. now the CHARGE the customer a 2-3 dollar delivery fee, and only give the driver 1 dollar of that (and the
I never thought about the delivery fee. I assumed it covered.... the extra cost of delivery.... never thought about what was before, but the "extra cost" of delivery is basically just wear and tear on the delivery guy's car, isn't it? Huh.... it's like they're charging you car maintenance just to work there.
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to Leregard on Sat Aug 05 2017 12:06 pm
nope
Do you have any thoughts on why someone would ask me to stop replying to you because it's just "feeding the trolls"?
I mean... think about it. Should I just stop feeding you?
I'm trying to be logical and analytical about it, and I think the problem is you see "types" of people instead of actual people. You talk about TYPES of people a lot.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about
150.00 daily on tips alone.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i just go by what people tell me. some waitresses i know make good
money on tips.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that's how it is by you but not by me. in the usa i live in a state
that people flocked to because it was a great place to sit down and collect a check for doing jack shit. they tried to put these people
into the workforce but they did poorly and for them it was a better
deal to just sit at home.
i worked at one place where all i did was FIX the stuff welfare to work people screwed up. it was almost 100% of what they did. the company
got a monetary incentive to take them in, but it wasnt much. a lot of these people did drugs their entire life and didnt function well doing
any type of work. another lady had 7 kids and all they would do would call her up at work all day over dumb shit.
KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-
Yep... Sad really.. and pisses me off.. Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand up... Not a way of life.. and NO, drug testing these reciepients will not help. Its simple to pass a drug test.. wanna get a lot of people off welfare? require them to do X amount of community service per day a long with Job searches. That'll take care of a good
many right there..
and no folks.. I'm not talking about Disability, I'm talking about welfare, Section 8, etc..
Do you have any thoughts on why someone would ask me to stop replying to you because it's just "feeding the trolls"?
I mean... think about it. Should I just stop feeding you?
I'm often surprised when I hear of people going to work at early ages, before aroudn 15 or 16 or so. In fact, I thought it was illegal in most US states to employ people below the age of 15. I remember my state having fairly strict rules for people working at age 15 - They couldn't work past a certain time (7PM or 8PM, I think), etc., and I thought places generally couldn't have workers younger than 15. There aren't any restrictions for employees age 16 and older that I know of though.
Instead of welfare checks, we could put them to work building pyramids for no reason and pay them federal minimum wage......
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Take that crap and turn it into something tangible.. like GOLD.. or
even better, spend the shit out of it now.. make some risky, High
Yield
All my experience with post-apocalyptic/zombie movies makes me think you should spend it on bullets, can openers, and water filters.
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I worked in kitchens, never waited tables, but my understanding is you made GREAT money on a Friday or Saturday night shift, but a Tuesday night shift for example was just a waste of your time and it kind of worked out in the end. [0m
di know of plenty of people who get that start and just keep getting it an
.dont do anything else. they sit at home and get high and cash that check
Many years ago, right after high school really, I had a job as a cashier ata
supermarket. And I knew who was paying with whatever the food stamps card was
called back then. And I won't lie, some of them were the ugly fat people who
couldn't work and were probably on disability for something stupid. But the vast majority were just ordinary looking people and a lot of them looked like
graduate students struggling to get by.
Thats before all the pizza places got greedy.. They used to pay the
drivers mileage out of their own store fund.. now the CHARGE the
customer a 2-3 dollar delivery fee, and only give the driver 1 dollar
of that (and the
Yall are one of the very few.. I can understand in a way why people
don't want to anymore because the awful 2 to 3 dollar delivery charge
added to the bill. It would'nt be so bad if the company would give the
driver the FULL
Wait staff loves folks like you... I was usually able to tell who were
going to be good customers or not, and would work my ass of to giv
ethem a great experience.
i really appreciate good service and on the other side, i really hate bad service.
if i do take out at a place i like and i see things i slow i always tip the waitress who handles my order.
forInstead of welfare checks, we could put them to work building pyramids
no reason and pay them federal minimum wage......
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That made no sense.. are you comparing my statement to the egyptians working the jewish slaves? there is no comparison..
Why build pyramids when we all know our interstates are falling apart..
and everyone knows the pyramids were brought here by aliens as landing platforms for their ships..
geeze.. everyone knows that...
a guy i work with drove for pizza hut. around here they dont get any cut of that delivery fee
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about
150.00 daily on tips alone.
That's decent. What hours were you working to get that?
People go as far as playing stupid "Oh I thought the delivery charge was your tip" No mam.. the delivery charge is an upcharge that the company adds to your bill to rip you off. Only $1 of that goes to me, and that did'nt even pay for the gas to drive your pizza to you.
I had a sinking feeling that we would accused of suggesting slavery; not really surprised it would have been Leregard making that kind of accusation.
That's decent. What hours were you working to get that?
that was night shift>> usually four to eleven pm>> sun through tues was slow made all my money on thurs through sat when the beer flowed heavy :)
Deepthaw wrote to Mro <=-
I would like you to apologize for using autistic earlier as an insult.
My son is autistic and the idea that you view him as so subhuman that
he should be used as an insult is disturbing.
KK4QBN wrote to jagossel <=-
I started working when I was 12. I worked for this guy at a Texas style BBQ place as a Dishwasher. It really was a double edged sword. It was
nice having money as a kid at that age, but also it instilled the
belief in me that I was a self made man and did'mt need school to
succeed in life. which was a huge mistake. I ended up quitting school
in the first semester of 9th grade. luckily enough I earned my GED,
which I have still never used.
Mro wrote to Deepthaw <=-
too bad , you're not getting it. and i dont view autistics as
subhumans. also i think the label autism is something that is overused. some people are just different.
i just go by what people tell me. some waitresses i know make good money on tips.
Hearsay is not evidence, though a good waiter can make money on tips, even
collect a check for doing jack shit. they tried to put these people into the workforce but they did poorly and for them it was a better deal to just sit at home.
Is that just the tip of the iceberg of unemployed, or a particularly problematic area? I know some areas have a bigger issue with dole bludgers than others, while other areas have more unemployment problems, but the unemployed are overwhelmingly people who simply want a job.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The US passed a law in 1890 alled the Sherman Antitrust Act, which I
think is a great piece of law, including:
It's great. It's like organized crime laws but for corporations.
If anyone has ever wondered, this is basically the real reason that big money interests are anti-regulation. They don't want the government breaking them up at the point where they start strangling society...
which is legal. The government has the power to do that.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
LOL www.sbs.com.au/shows/housos
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that was night shift>> usually four to eleven pm>> sun through tues was slow made all my money on thurs through sat when the beer flowed heavy
:)
Leregard wrote to jagossel <=-
I worked in kitchens, never waited tables, but my understanding is you made GREAT money on a Friday or Saturday night shift, but a Tuesday
night shift for example was just a waste of your time and it kind of worked out in the end.
Leregard wrote to Denn <=-
I've heard good things and bad things about unions. I've even heard stories where unions were very clearly poorly led and made crazy
decisions that were NOT best for workers and striking was a BAD IDEA
that got everyone fired...
Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-
i really appreciate good service and on the other side, i really hate
bad service.
if i do take out at a place i like and i see things i slow i always tip the waitress who handles my order.
KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-
and everyone knows the pyramids were brought here by aliens as landing platforms for their ships..
geeze.. everyone knows that...
KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-
Yeah, pretty much all service jobs are like that.. you pretty much give them your sunday-tuesday.. then make up for it on weekends.. it all
equals out.
Jagossel wrote to Leregard <=-
That's the thing, though. There are a few out there geniuenly need it,
and they are either honestly trying their best to get back to being a productive member of society; then you have others that just take advantages of it and never do anything to improve themselves.
I know of instances of knowing someone who got food stamps. One of them was a friend who was trying to start a business and did have a few clients, just wasn't enough to support his family. Sadly, his business didn't work out, but he did have a major turn-around and got a
low-stress and high-paying job. The other instance was my wife (when we were dating at the time), and she tried to get a job, but there wasn't
a lot of opportunities in a small town that we lives in at the time.
KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-.
Yes, when I go out, I always tip.. Most of the time depends on what
type of service I get from the SERVER (server cannot help what kitchen staff does). and sometimes the tip depends on what come up on
conversation with that server.
KK4QBN wrote to jagossel <=-
Yeah, really.. it's pretty simple.. want a days pay.. work a day..
How complicated can it be..
Leregard wrote to KK4QBN <=-
I'm willing to compromise on my critique of the capitalist system if
all the world's bosses get together and agree to not be assholes. It's surprising how little it takes.
I can't imagine not tipping a pizza delivery guy. If I didn't want to spend the extra money on the delivery guy, I'd have picked it up
myself. That's part of ordering pizza. I'm shocked people don't do
that. Do they not know? I mean, did the never learn as children that
you TIP the pizza guy?
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KK4QBN wrote to Nightfox <=-
I believe working at a young age does help build charachter, as long as you know where your priorites stand. It did'nt matter back in the day
when everyone was farmers by trade and thats what they did when they
got older. But working at age 12 and 13, pulling in 300.00 dollars a
week kinda screwed up my priorities. I did'nt think I needed school.. I thought I had already had it all figured out.
and everyone knows the pyramids were brought here by aliens as landing platforms for their ships..
geeze.. everyone knows that...
I had a sinking feeling that we would accused of suggesting slavery; not really surprised it would have been Leregard making that kind of accusation.
Speaking of pizza delivery, I don't quite understand is why pizza delivery people seem to have to use their own cars (and probably have to pay for gas). I haven't had a job delivering pizza, but it seems to me that's how it works. If a company wants employees to deliver their products, it seems to me like they'd provide a car and gas if the employees are working on company time. Otherwise, the employees are spending their own money on gas and putting wear and tear on their own car to do their job, which seems odd. I think it's fine to drive your own car to & from work, but to perform a
Mro wrote to Deepthaw <=-
too bad , you're not getting it. and i dont view autistics as
So why did you use it as an insult? Actions speak louder than words here.
subhumans. also i think the label autism is something that is overused. some people are just different.
Well, we're all different or not, regardless of labels, that's a good thing.
geeze.. everyone knows that...
comtrya
Speaking of pizza delivery, I don't quite understand is why pizza delivery people seem to have to use their own cars (and probably have to pay for
People go as far as playing stupid "Oh I thought the delivery charge
was your tip" No mam.. the delivery charge is an upcharge that the
company adds to your bill to rip you off. Only $1 of that goes to
me, and that did'nt even pay for the gas to drive your pizza to you.
Speaking of pizza delivery, I don't quite understand is why pizza delivery people seem to have to use their own cars (and probably have to pay for gas). I haven't had a job delivering pizza, but it seems to me that's how it works. If a company wants employees to deliver their products, it seems to me like they'd provide a car and gas if the employees are working on company time. Otherwise, the employees are spending their own money on gas and putting wear and tear on their own car to do their job, which seems odd. I think it's fine to drive your own car to & from work, but to perform a job, it seems like a grey area.
I started working when I was 11 or 12, doing odd jobs around a local accommodation place on a weekend. Anything from splitting wood and keeping the fires stocked up with wood, to washing dishes for their restaurant. Later on, I mowed their lawns and did other work around their garden. But I didn't lose sight of the importance of study, finished school and went on to university, finishing up with an engineering degree.
Tipping custom is different here. If the service is poor, I will not
That's the nature of that industry, and one reason I don't work in it. My weekends are worth more to me than any amount of money - not merely recreation, but essential for mental health. :)
Thats exactly why the government needs to regulate healthcare only,
the free market with competition will bring prices back to an
affordable level.
Where is the competition going to come from? There's a lot of big players in the field - drug companies, incurance companies, it's probably more of an oligarchy - an environment more likely to see price hikes.
and Papa John with his dyed eybrows is laughing all the way to the bank..
Better ingredients Better Pizza... crap.. don't make me laugh..
When I visited the US, I always tipped, but don't here (cultural differences). :)
How complicated can it be..
That's pretty reasonable, provided one is given the OPPORTUNITY to work in the first place. Fortunately, that side of things is improving.
geeze.. everyone knows that...
comtrya
Jaffa cree! You just won all my internetz for the day. <3 SG1
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
well it just makes sense to sit home and make more money than to spend
gas money and whatever other expenses and give up your day going to a
job that pays less overall.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
actually words are all we have here. how was it used as an insult?
wasnt this something from 2 weeks or more ago? why are we talking about
it now?
subhumans. also i think the label autism is something that is overused. some people are just different.
Well, we're all different or not, regardless of labels, that's a good thing.
maybe his kid is misdiagnosed and he's a retard instead of autistic?
maybe it's just environmental? or maybe autistic dad is just trying to stir up things with a fake scenerio?
either way, never met the kid so not going to apologize.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I really wish I would have done the same.. But I was always akward in school anyway, so the quicker I could quit, the better off I though I was.. If I only knew then what I know now..
I'm now 40 Years old and finally worked for my GED a few years back. Was'nt hard to get at all.. I really consider myself self taught,
because the school system I grew up in was nothing but a social
experiment anyway.. If you was'nt a jock, or a prep, you were a
nobody.. and that was in the School Staffs Eye.. all they cared about
were their football games and fundraisers. Sickening in a way.
So yeah, I Never paid ANY attention in school. Come test time, I would cram for the test and do enough just to pass. the GED I passed with
flying colors.
Now I just need to broaden my horizons and find something to do.. Of course I love Radios, etc.. and I have an Aquantence who owns a communications shop. They install/maintain all the radios in just about every cruiser, ambulance, firetruck, and bus in the tri-county area. I would like to get in with Him and try to find a job I enjoy and will
enjot for the rest of my life.
Darkwing wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Thanks for sharing the local outlook there. When I went to
Scotland for a week, it was very different as well... The bartenders
were paid a fair (I'm guessing) wage, and any "tips" the foreigners
left went straight to the company. I'm glad they let me know, or I
would have kept tipping the entire dang time.
Darkwing wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You can always make more money, but you can't make more time...
Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The competition would come from the free market and Government
regulation as it did before Obama Care.
for example look at the auto insurance companies that have to lower
rates to compete with that wide open market.
"... In plumbing, a straight flush is better than a full house"
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
When I visited the US, I always tipped, but don't here (cultural differences). :)
Right, because the resteraunts actually pay a LIVING WAGE.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Very Slowly.. but yes.. it is.. The area I live in has the highest unemployment rate in Georgia, and afaik GA has the highest unemployment rate in the nation. but there are still jobs out there.. In very
limited fields.. but they exist.
Darkwing wrote to KK4QBN <=-
Jaffa cree! You just won all my internetz for the day. <3 SG1
Unions are needed, to address the power imbalance between employer and employee, but too many unions are either overly militant, and not acting in the worlers best interests, or they're innefectual. A good union has to
Re: Tips for Pizza Deliverers
By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Sun Aug 06 2017 12:40 am
and Papa John with his dyed eybrows is laughing all the way to the bank..
Better ingredients Better Pizza... crap.. don't make me laugh..
Papa John's Pizza is okay but not one of my favorites.. Actually I haven't had one of their pizzas in years, and usually I don't think of them anymore when I want to order a pizza.
I'm now 40 Years old and finally worked for my GED a few years back. Was'nt hard to get at all.. I really consider myself self taught,
What is GED? Remember a lot of things don't translate across international boundaries. :)
When I visited the US, I always tipped, but don't here (cultural
differences). :)
Right, because the resteraunts actually pay a LIVING WAGE.
Actions as in how you _use_ the words you use. That's what I mean by action in this context.
maybe it's just environmental? or maybe autistic dad is just trying to stir up things with a fake scenerio?
All we can do is take him on face value.
either way, never met the kid so not going to apologize.That's not an excuse.
I'm now 40 Years old and finally worked for my GED a few years back.
Was'nt hard to get at all.. I really consider myself self taught,
What is GED? Remember a lot of things don't translate across international boundaries. :)
Yeah, the system is broken, more over there than here it seems.
Well you made it. :) I had the advantage of some unique ways of thinking that worked fairly well with the school system.
Cool. I worked in IT, now a bit more manual labour and hands on, along with some child mentoring. However, there might be opportunities for public speaking, which I would like to pursue. :)
Very Slowly.. but yes.. it is.. The area I live in has the highest
unemployment rate in Georgia, and afaik GA has the highest
unemployment rate in the nation. but there are still jobs out
there.. In very limited fields.. but they exist.
And reduce the barriers. Traditional hiring and interview practices are high on my radar, they are highly discriminatory, and often the best person for a job does not get over that barrier. I've experienced that many times.
Jaffa cree! You just won all my internetz for the day. <3 SG1
Hmm, mist have missed one of the System Lords - SG1. :D
Jaffa cree! You just won all my internetz for the day. <3 SG1LOL!
Hmm, mist have missed one of the System Lords - SG1. :DDamn Ball and all his Balls.. herm... clones..
someone should start a no tip Restraunt chain.
If I goto some Place that is a buffet style Reatraunt where you serve[M0?@ your self why should they get a big tip? they still expect it, thats why I don't goto those type of restraunts much.
diploma).
Yeah, the system is broken, more over there than here it seems.
And from what I hear, It has only got worse. My sisters have taken their kids out of school and home school them.
Papa John's Pizza is okay but not one of my favorites.. Actually I
haven't had one of their pizzas in years, and usually I don't think of
them anymore when I want to order a pizza.
i wouldnt get pizza from any franchise pizza place. they just cant make good pizza. i'm lucky to have a big italian population here so we have great pizza. other parts of the country are certainly suffering with the
Jaffa cree! You just won all my internetz for the day. <3 SG1
LOL!
I also watched the entire SG1 run without realizing that Jonas Quinn was the same actor from Parker Lewis Can't Lose. Of course I also made the same mistake with Wil Wheaton in Eureka, but in all fairness he had gained a bunch of weight by that time, especially in the face =P
i wouldnt get pizza from any franchise pizza place. they just cant make good pizza. i'm lucky to have a big italian population here so we have great pizza. other parts of the country are certainly suffering with the crap they call pizza.
someone should start a no tip Restraunt chain.
I also watched the entire SG1 run without realizing that Jonas Quinn was the same actor from Parker Lewis Can't Lose. Of course I also made the same mistake with Wil Wheaton in Eureka, but in all fairness he had gained a bunch of weight by that time, especially in the face =P
Hmm, mist have missed one of the System Lords - SG1. :D
Damn Ball and all his Balls.. herm... clones..
Hah, just finishing up STTNG season 7 here, and it's down to either DS9 or SG1 again... Now I think it'll have to be SG1, especially for the quotes
could hand them a broom and a dust pan and have them clean up their city all day. would be an improvement.
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yeah.. gotta be sg1.. u know, I've never watched DS9.. I need to.. in TNG I enjoyed most of the borg episodes.. especially. unimatrix 001
As for the Borg episodes, are you thinking of Unimatrix Zero from Voyager?
someone should start a no tip Restraunt chain.
If I goto some Place that is a buffet style Reatraunt where you
serve[M0?@ your self why should they get a big tip? they still expect
it, thats why I don't goto those type of restraunts much.
well at those places they clear your food and bring you drinks. so you tip, but i'm not sure what the protocol is. i tip slightly less.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
unions arent there for the worker's best interests. they're setup to
make money.
Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-
General Education Diploma. As Tim mention, it's an opportunity for
those who missed an opportunity to get a high school diploma. A lot of
employers require some form an education, and GED is the minimum they
will accept for certain positions. Same thing with some local colleges
as well, they may accept a GED so the student can have a chance to earn
a degree, in spite of missing an opportunity for the high school
diploma.
Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
someone should start a no tip Restraunt chain.
If I goto some Place that is a buffet style Reatraunt where you
serve[M0?@ your self why should they get a big tip? they still expect
it, thats why I don't goto those type of restraunts much.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
GED = General Education Development Diploma. (Highschool equivalency diploma).
Yeah, the system is broken, more over there than here it seems.
And from what I hear, It has only got worse. My sisters have taken
their kids out of school and home school them.
Well you made it. :) I had the advantage of some unique ways of thinking that worked fairly well with the school system.
Yes, this is the way I do/did it also (abstract thought) it still works for me today. I halfway have a photographic memory when it comes to
some things. others, like NAMES I cannot remember at all and most of
the time, don't really care to. So I send up creating an answer by comparison, depending on what the question is.
Cool. I worked in IT, now a bit more manual labour and hands on, along with some child mentoring. However, there might be opportunities for public speaking, which I would like to pursue. :)
Wow.. I give you props for that... there is no way in h-e double l that
I would get up and speak in front of a crowd... about 30-40 people is
as much as I can do. (I use to be the speaker for a special Narcotics anonymous class we created that included meditation instead of the
regular NA stuff and we usually had about 40 members) Most of them said the meditation meetings were more effective than the regular NA
classes. people had to go to more tradition classes to do their 12
steps. We would not force that on no one. The class was for relaxation
and meditation, and for one to get to know ones self.
It sure worked better for me.. Most of the regular NA classes made me
want to relapse. especially being a taxi driver and listening to the " I've been clean for 15 years people preach about how bad someone is who just started a relapsed, then I would end up picking that person up in
the taxi and he go to a crack house" complete hypocracy.. Thats NA for
you though.. It works for some people.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on
Sun Aug 06 2017 19:33:00
Very Slowly.. but yes.. it is.. The area I live in has the highest
unemployment rate in Georgia, and afaik GA has the highest
unemployment rate in the nation. but there are still jobs out
there.. In very limited fields.. but they exist.
And reduce the barriers. Traditional hiring and interview practices are high on my radar, they are highly discriminatory, and often the best person for a job does not get over that barrier. I've experienced that many times.
Companies around here don't even have HR departments anymore. they farm all their HR duties out to temp agencies who do all the hiring,
training, firing.. all while taking about 30% of your pay.. very
sickening concept..
worse than paying mobsters protection..
We can all thank Warren Buffet and Berkshire Hathaway for that.
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KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Damn Ball and all his Balls.. herm... clones..
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Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: KK4QBN to Darkwing on
Sun Aug 06 2017 02:47 am
Jaffa cree! You just won all my internetz for the day. <3 SG1LOL!
I also watched the entire SG1 run without realizing that Jonas
Quinn was the same actor from Parker Lewis Can't Lose. Of course I
also made the same mistake with Wil Wheaton in Eureka, but in all
fairness he had gained a bunch of weight by that time, especially in
the face =P
...darkwing!
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Darkwing wrote to KK4QBN <=-
Hah, just finishing up STTNG season 7 here, and it's down to
either DS9 or SG1 again... Now I think it'll have to be SG1,
especially for the quotes =)
KK4QBN wrote to Darkwing <=-
Hah, just finishing up STTNG season 7 here, and it's down to either DS9 or SG1 again... Now I think it'll have to be SG1, especially for the quotes
yeah.. gotta be sg1.. u know, I've never watched DS9.. I need to.. in
TNG I enjoyed most of the borg episodes.. especially. unimatrix 001
Mickey wrote to Mro <=-
This is a great idea IMHO, and many cities used to do exactly this.
People believed that a man (or woman I suppose) would feel better about themselves if they did some meaningful work in exchange for a gov't handout. It appears that over time, folks believed this was wrong
forcing people to work for a check like a slave. so many towns discontinued the practice.
Mro wrote to Nightfox <=-
i wouldnt get pizza from any franchise pizza place. they just cant
make good pizza. i'm lucky to have a big italian population here so we have great pizza. other parts of the country are certainly suffering
with the crap they call pizza.
Mro wrote to Denn <=-
well at those places they clear your food and bring you drinks. so you tip, but i'm not sure what the protocol is. i tip slightly less.
As for the Borg episodes, are you thinking of Unimatrix Zero from
Voyager?
Yeah.. it possible was from voyager, but that all come about when picard brought the adolscent borg aboard and taught him humanity.. I forgot what name he ended up giving himself.. thing the episode was "I Borg".
Instead of welfare checks, we could put them to work building pyramids for no reason and pay them federal minimum wage......
All my experience with post-apocalyptic/zombie movies makes me think you should spend it on bullets, can openers, and water filters.
When I waited tables at PIZZA HUT, as a TEENAGER.. I averaged about
150.00 daily on tips alone.
I worked in kitchens, never waited tables, but my understanding is you made GREAT money on a Friday or Saturday night shift, but a Tuesday night shift for example was just a waste of your time and it kind of worked out in the end.
I never thought about the delivery fee. I assumed it covered.... the extra cost of delivery.... never thought about what was before, but the "extra cost" of delivery is basically just wear and tear on the delivery guy's car, isn't it? Huh.... it's like they're charging you car maintenance just to work there.
part of ordering pizza. I'm shocked people don't do that. Do they not know? I mean, did the never learn as children that you TIP the pizza guy?
Managing unemployment is tricky, make it too easy and people will sponge off the system, but make it too punitive, and you can kick out genuine job seekers who just fell into bad luck, and who would be off benefits fairly quickly, if left alone.
watching the ultimate nerd.. he was pretty much my telivsion counterpart, and I lived vicarously <sp> through him.. Whil Wheaton rocks.. Now the Jonas quinn actor,, I never knew him from anything else.. but I always though he played his charachter well, and would have like to see him move on to
Yeah.. it possible was from voyager, but that all come about when picard brought the adolscent borg aboard and taught him humanity.. I forgot what name he ended up giving himself.. thing the episode was "I Borg".
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
How can it be sponging off the system when you're paying into the fund
the entire time? Unemployment benefits are based on how long you've contributed to the system and your last 3 months or so of salary, if memory serves.
Yeah, different people need different things. 12 step programs seem to work for me. I was involved in one called GROW, modelled on AA, but aimed at mental health. Certainly helped eliminate depression for me, and I carry those strategies with me to this day, more than 20 years later. Those strategies, along with a healthy and active lifestyle are definitely a good combination. I'm a big advocate for an active lifestyle, something too few autistic people take part in. That is actually my topic for my talk in Sydney. :) ... Since bread is square, then why is sandwich meat round?
Damn Ball and all his Balls.. herm... clones..
I think you mean Baal. :P
Sounds like you've watched Voyager too, there were a lot of Borg episodes there. :)
I remember since I've watched TNG a few times over the years.. :P I believe it was Geordi who gave him his name. Geordi was referring to him as "you", and then he thought to name him Hugh.
I'm not sure if Unimatrix Zero came about because of that.. It could have, but I don't think they explicitly said so. For all we know, Unimatrix Zero could have always been part of the Borg.
All my experience with post-apocalyptic/zombie movies makes me think
you should spend it on bullets, can openers, and water filters.
Preppers talk about the 3 B's - Bullets, Beans and Bandaids. Check out Survnet, it's a pretty cool FTN network dealing with survival prep - Zombie and otherwise. :)
Managing unemployment is tricky, make it too easy and people will
sponge off the system, but make it too punitive, and you can kick
out genuine job seekers who just fell into bad luck, and who would
be off benefits fairly quickly, if left alone.
How can it be sponging off the system when you're paying into the fund the entire time? Unemployment benefits are based on how long you've contributed to the system and your last 3 months or so of salary, if memory serves.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
unions arent there for the worker's best interests. they're setup to make money.
Well those are bad unions then, unions should be to represent the workers' interests.
General Education Diploma. As Tim mention, it's an opportunity for those who missed an opportunity to get a high school diploma. A lot of
Hmm, OK, high school diploma - they don't exist here, diplomas are post secondary qualifications.
I have a highly associative memory, phenomenal recognition, but pretty ordinary recall. I recall concepts better than detail, but I recognise detail very readily. One of my challenges is my memory is in a very abstract format, I'm actually quite non verbal by nature, but also communicative, so I've learned to use words - haven't found a better medium to talk to people. ;)
We did all of Trek earlier this year, B5, Earth: Final Conflict, now about halfway through watching Andromeda.
Hah, just finishing up STTNG season 7 here, and it's down to either DS9 or SG1 again... Now I think it'll have to be SG1, especially for the quotes
I liked DS9. Started a bit slow, but really got going once the Dominion got involved. :)
How about filling potholes? Helping out with this country's infrastructure?
We had one hell of a winter this year, and could have employed countless people clearing branches, filling potholes, clearing storm drains, etc. Lots of work that doesn't require experienced labor, and would free up those people with trade skills to concentrate on the more taxing tasks.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
How can it be sponging off the system when you're paying into the fund the entire time? Unemployment benefits are based on how long you've contributed to the system and your last 3 months or so of salary, if memory serves.
USA != world.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
unions arent there for the worker's best interests. they're setup
to make money.
Well those are bad unions then, unions should be to represent the workers' interests.
Instead of welfare checks, we could put them to work building
pyramids for no reason and pay them federal minimum wage......
How about filling potholes? Helping out with this country's infrastructure?
We had one hell of a winter this year, and could have employed countless people clearing branches, filling potholes, clearing storm drains, etc. Lots of work that doesn't require experienced labor, and would free up those people with trade skills to concentrate on the more taxing tasks.
while for Dr Weir to grow on me also.. but could'nt stand any of her replacements.. except sam of course.
someone should start a no tip Restraunt chain.I heard of at least one or two restaurants somewhere doing that now.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
ll the ones modeled around AA work better than NA here also.. aamof, a
lot of people who did'nt go to the meditation meetings insead opted to
go to AA instead of NA.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think you mean Baal. :P
Yes.. I was trying to use a play on words, but it did'nt work to well..
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Sounds like you've watched Voyager too, there were a lot of Borg episodes there. :)
Yes, someone had pointed that out earlier :-)
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it's all about the dues with any union.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i've had a lot of jobs. none of them have checked my highschool or college education. there's tons of people out there with fakes,
anyways.
regardless, it's important to the individual to complete school. you
put all that time in since you were 5 years old, you might as well complete school. to fail and give up at the last minute shows a lot
about character.
i skipped school like crazy. school was boring and girls were more interesting to me. luckily i got into a program that allowed me to go
to technical school for free and get high school credits. THERE i actually learned something and i was able to graduate early. i had to
work 10x harder than i would have in stupid highschool.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
my brain is like a sponge. i was good at cramming to beat tests when i didnt study for them or do any schoolwork. i only retain the
information if its something i personally consider intresting, which is understandable.
i think i might have this ability because when i was a child my grandmother would baby sit me and we'd watch the game shows and
memorize the answers, and then later in the day they would air again
and we would recall the answer as a type of 3rd party game.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i like earth final conflict but i guess the guys running the show
treated everyone like crap.
i tried to get into andromeda but i just dont like kevin sorbo as an
actor and the show was too cheesy for me.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
once sisko shaved his head it was on like donkey kong. the hawk was
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i skipped school like crazy. school was boring and girls were more interesting to me. luckily i got into a program that allowed me to go to technical school for free and get high school credits. THERE i actually learned something and i was able to graduate early. i had to work 10x
We did all of Trek earlier this year, B5, Earth: Final Conflict, now
about halfway through watching Andromeda.
i like earth final conflict but i guess the guys running the show treated everyone like crap.
i tried to get into andromeda but i just dont like kevin sorbo as an actor and the show was too cheesy for me.
Honestly we could have them building the thousands of miles of walls Between the USA and Mexico, then when thats done they can help build the north wall to. we don't want to be overrun by Canucks.
while for Dr Weir to grow on me also.. but could'nt stand any of her
replacements.. except sam of course.
mmmmm... Manderz Tapping... Did you see the photo shoot of her in
nothing but the American flag? Makes me feel creepy as heck, but I gotta admit I do want one of those pics autographed haha...
I think you mean Baal. :P
Yes.. I was trying to use a play on words, but it did'nt work to
well..
You just wanted to play with your Balls. :P
USA != world.
How can it be sponging off the system when you're paying into the fund pF>> the entire time? In the USA, unemployment benefits are based on how long pF>> you've contributed to the system and your last 3 months or so of salary, pF>> if memory serves.
Don't get me wrong.. I love the affordability of Chicom radios, but people are just going crazy these days. It's nothing to get a tech license anymore... and if the crap really does hit the fan, these folks can be a help instead of a hinderance, and actually help pass traffic, etc.
Between the USA and Mexico, then when thats done they can help build the north wall to. we don't want to be overrun by Canucks.
I had a sinking feeling that we would accused of suggesting slavery; not really surprised it would have been Leregard making that kind of accusation.
Only 5 or 6 more classes and I'll finish the AS degree. Not sure if I'll pursue anything past that, as the cost doesn't seem justifiable. I'm
when someone is in line i can tell right away if the person is using a food card. they're buying shit i cant afford to eat.
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that's because there's people and they are different. so i see them as being individually different and not all the same thing.
it's being observational instead of assumptional.
That's the thing, though. There are a few out there geniuenly need it, and they are either honestly trying their best to get back to being a productive member of society; then you have others that just take advantages of it and never do anything to improve themselves.
not really surprised it would have been Leregard making that kind of accusation.
Yeah, really.. it's pretty simple.. want a days pay.. work a day..
How complicated can it be..
Companies around here don't even have HR departments anymore. they farm all their HR duties out to temp agencies who do all the hiring, training, firing.. all while taking about 30% of your pay.. very sickening concept..
worse than paying mobsters protection..
you might need to visit the eye doctor.
it's all about the dues with any union.
99.9% of all unions are bad.
Honestly we could have them building the thousands of miles of walls
Between the USA and Mexico, then when thats done they can help build
the north wall to. we don't want to be overrun by Canucks.
Trust me.. Canadians have no reason whatsoever to come down here... and we don't need a friggin wall.. it's just stupid.. we need out interstates and crumbling bridges fixed.. hell Atlanta is falling apart.
Between the USA and Mexico, then when thats done they can help build
the north wall to. we don't want to be overrun by Canucks.
Far too long has Canadia held a tactical advantage!
Unions have lawyers that don't work for free. If you have to ask what your union is doing for you, GOOD, because it means your boss is NOT stepping all over you and you don't NEED to sue for your rights.
Well those are bad unions then, unions should be to represent the workers' interests.
99.9% of all unions are bad.
Re: Tips
By: Nightfox to Denn on Sun Aug 06 2017 12:13 pm
someone should start a no tip Restraunt chain.I heard of at least one or two restaurants somewhere doing that now.
I think it's called the Golden Trough, err, Golden Corral.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
ll the ones modeled around AA work better than NA here also.. aamof, a lot of people who did'nt go to the meditation meetings insead opted to go to AA instead of NA.
That's how GROW started, recovering mental health patients were going to AA and found it helpful, then tweaked the program to better suit their needs. :)
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it's all about the dues with any union.
I'd say that's an overgeneralisation.
I find Andromeda a bit of fun. :) The last season gets a bit weird, but not as weard as Lexx (which is quite a fun SF show :) ).
What was the one Brian Hendson Did? was that Andromeda, or something else..
Trust me.. Canadians have no reason whatsoever to come down here... and we don't need a friggin wall.. it's just stupid.. we need out interstates and crumbling bridges fixed.. hell Atlanta is falling apart.
This might seem rude, but I'm just being honest, if I had an Associates Degree from a community college I might not even put it on my resume. You
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You just wanted to play with your Balls. :P
Ah yes.. that was it :)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
No imperialism imtended; please replace the above paragraph with the paragraph below.
How can it be sponging off the system when you're paying into the fund
the entire time? In the USA, unemployment benefits are based on how long
you've contributed to the system and your last 3 months or so of salary,
if memory serves.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
my gf's mother went to AA because she thought her husband was an
alcholic.
they told her he was.
the guy barely drinks. he's REALLY bipolar or some type of lunatic.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
have you ever been in a union?
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yeah, lexx was a weird fun show. also it had nudity.
KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-
What was the one Brian Hendson Did? was that Andromeda, or something else.. anyway... I got about two episodes in and had to kill it.. Excellent effects.. etc.. but cheesy.. I do love the idea of the bio-mechanical ship.. I presume thats where the SG atlantis writer got
the idea for the wraith ships.
KK4QBN wrote to Roadhog <=-
Trust me.. Canadians have no reason whatsoever to come down here... and
Leregard wrote to Jagossel <=-
There was a famous judge (I could look it up, but this is becoming a
full time job) who said something like, "I'd rather 9 guilty men go
free than 1 innocent man be punished", and I'm inclined to agree.
I'd prefer we gave them FOOD instead of giving them DEBIT CARDS, but
the logistics of that gets complicated...
If a homeless guy asks me for change, I don't necessarily give it to
him, but if he literally ask me for a sandwich I will walk into the
store and buy him a $7 sandwich and feel pretty good about it.
KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-
They finally put a school up like that in this area when I was about 20
or so.. I really wish I would have had something like that.. I would
have stayed in school.. Murray County Public schools are crap.. nothing but a big social get together, most of the teachers have no sense
whatsoever.. There was even a documentary done about Murray county
schools (I think the name of it was Bully) This kid had Asbergers, and people bullied him all through highschool, he reached out to the
teachers and staff for help but they would'nt do anything. He ended up comitting suicide.
Yeah, that works for me. In Australia, unemployment benefits are at a set rate (around $250/week I think, but don't quote me on it!). People renting privately can get a little more to help offset rental costs. Unemployment
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
my gf's mother went to AA because she thought her husband was an alcholic.
they told her he was.
Well, that's not their role, they overstepped their boundaries. A good group would have referred her to services her husband could access, starting with a GP/PCP.
the guy barely drinks. he's REALLY bipolar or some type of lunatic.
Bipolar can be pretty horrible for both the person and those around them, but good treatment can work wonders. Years ago, a friend went through some serious bipolar episodes. Work pressures caused some serious flare ups of her condition, and her description of what the ups and downs were like was
but good treatment can work wonders. Years ago, a friend went through some serious bipolar episodes. Work pressures caused some serious flare ups of her condition, and her description of what the ups and downs were like was horrific. Last I heard from her, they sold the business that was causing
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
have you ever been in a union?
No, but I have seen cases where the union went in to bat for people who were shafted by management. Yes, generally one has to be a union member to get representation.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
yeah, lexx was a weird fun show. also it had nudity.
Worth a watch for something different.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, that works for me. In Australia, unemployment benefits are at a set rate (around $250/week I think, but don't quote me on it!). People renting privately can get a little more to help offset rental costs. Unemployment
i think around me the max you can get is 350usd.
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Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
he's really really bad and it got worse with aids. he is like the
fucking incredible hulk. he even called me a pussy and i'm a big guy
and could knock him across the room. i just laugh at it. it was like being in a 3 stooges episode. his wife even ran over his foot.
this guy is perfect at work and worth millions but cant have healthy relationships. he's an excellent salesman too.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
lieka or whatever her name was is so cute. the plant lady
my gf's mother went to AA because she thought her husband was an alcholic.
they told her he was.
the guy barely drinks. he's REALLY bipolar or some type of lunatic.
What was the one Brian Hendson Did? was that Andromeda, or something
else..
he did farscape.
Trust me.. Canadians have no reason whatsoever to come down here...
and we don't need a friggin wall.. it's just stupid.. we need out
interstates and crumbling bridges fixed.. hell Atlanta is falling
apart.
im trying to get t1ny to come down here.
he would have a better time.
This might seem rude, but I'm just being honest, if I had an
Associates Degree from a community college I might not even put it on
my resume. You
if it's for something useful it should go on the resume.
Trust me.. Canadians have no reason whatsoever to come down here...
and
They might need the wall to keep you lot out. :P
Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Roadhog to All on Tue Aug 01 2017 09:35 am
Why is it the government wants to run health care? they can't even run the the Government for crying out loud.
Canada has gvmt run healthcare and they are on a huge waiting list for operations and such.
Canadians come to the USA or other countries to get decent fast healthcare.
I've heard that too.. I've also heard some people from Canada say they like their healthcare system - They can go to the hospital to get something taken care of and they don't have to pay much if anything. So it sounds like it works well for some people but not well for others.
AA would not be the place for her.. there are groups for the family if alcoholic, like Al-Anon... People in AA would not speak to a family member about anothers alcohol or drug abuse.. thats the whole premise behind the program. the Addicts must admit to himself and the group the or she is an addict.
either that lady lied to you, or your full of crap.
I don't remember when insurance was EVER at an affordable level. Seriously. When was it EVER affordable to the average working person who did NOT get it through their employer? That was the whole point. It's why we HAVE Obamacare.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Exactly, see previous message from me.. I see great minds think alike
:)
KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-
Sooner or later Canadians will build a wall and "Make" US pay for it.
KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-
Sooner or later Canadians will build a wall and "Make" US pay for it.
I'm just glad there's a big puddle of water between us and the USA. :P (j/k).
she died before i me her, my gf said she went to AA but maybe it was alnon. dont care about the specifics. you get what i mean.
I'm just glad there's a big puddle of water between us and the USA. :P
australians are the only people more annoying than americans.
"AFFORDABLE" is a subjective term, but the evidence is overwelming that insurance was significantly less expensive to everyone before the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) went into effect.
Re: Re: Tips for Pizza Deliverers
By: Mro to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 18:05:39
she died before i me her, my gf said she went to AA but maybe it was alnon. dont care about the specifics. you get what i mean.
No, actually I don't..
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Digital Man to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 07:13 pm
"AFFORDABLE" is a subjective term, but the evidence is overwelming that insurance was significantly less expensive to everyone before the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) went into effect.
The entire country is arguing about this all at once, so I'd need to see your "overwhelming" evidence, because no, it isn't obvious.
Are you taking into account the government subsidies, and the fact that it's more expensive because companies are required to provide BETTER health insurance?
I get the argument that you can't spend $0 on insurance and take your chances, so yes it's more expensive than $0. Is that what you mean?
I worked for a Fortune 500 company from 2001 to 2017 and I can tell you that the increased cost of health insurance both to the company and its employees was obvious to everyone and the CTO spelled it out in black and white: the ACA was to blame.
I worked for a Fortune 500 company from 2001 to 2017 and I can tell you that the increased cost of health insurance both to the company and its employees was obvious to everyone and the CTO spelled it out in black and white: the ACA was to blame.
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Digital Man to Leregard on Wed Aug 09 2017 03:03 pm
I worked for a Fortune 500 company from 2001 to 2017 and I can tell you that the increased cost of health insurance both to the company and its employees was obvious to everyone and the CTO spelled it out in black and white: the ACA was to blame.
My first, gut reaction, is that you probably have an ok job and are probably doing ok, and you should be grateful.
You could probably double your taxes and still be better off than most people... no?
Your CTO, in particular, is probably doing really great, and he should shut the fuck up. I have zero patience for penny-pinching dickheads blaming the government for everything.
There are people who have children with
irregular heartbeats and other obscure but serious issues that are NOT going to be bankrupted by this anymore, and it's so unbelievably obvious that the costs to rich assholes are worth the longterm benefit to society.
MY family was better off with Obamacare. If they fix the family glitch, we'll be MUCH better off. But if you paypal me $300/month I'll change my mind and agree with you instead.
I suppose that depends on your definition of "better off" and "most people". more than 50% of the households in southern california? I doubt it, considering I already pay about 40% of my earnings in taxes. I'm just an upper middle-class American. Would I still be better off (have more income) than the average New Guinea Aborigine? Likely, yes.
That's how taxes work, and I'd prefer we paid for health insurance the same way.
That's how taxes work, and I'd prefer we paid for health insurance the same way.
Like every civilized country in the goddamn world. Even Russia does it this
I'm just saying, in my high school social studies class when they told me about "American Eceptionalism" I didn't think it meant we just let our own people die of preventable diseases.
Excuse me, "American Exceptionalism". I thought it was supposed to mean
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Leregard to Digital Man on Thu Aug 10 2017 01:35 pm
Excuse me, "American Exceptionalism". I thought it was supposed to mean
I'm only so mad about this because you're embarassing us in front of the Australian guy. The guy that goes to the doctor whenever he feels like he needs to for 1.5% of his paycheck... as he's stated two or three times.
Why do you keep responding to me, but quoting yourself? I didn't write those things you quoted, you did. So you're having a conversation with yourself.
I mistyped, it was the CFO, but in any case, he wasn't penny piching: he was >explaining why the company had to reduce compensation and benefits in other >areas: to make up for the increased health insurance costs due to the ACA. It >was a simple cost/benefit analysis and adjustment.
I'm not rich, but I'm definitely one of the assholes who is helping to pay for >the healthcare of many others (via taxes) while at the same time paying more >than ever for my own family's health insurance and healthcare. Some of the poor
are likely getting more/better healthcare than before, I don't doubt that, but >the biggest beneficiaries are the health insurance companies and big pharma. >They're making more money than ever while the middle class suffers.
if you dont pay your dues, you are out.
you really have to be in a union to see how fucked up it is.
it's not always about helping the people. the union stewart doesnt have to side with you.
if you dont pay your dues, you are out.
you really have to be in a union to see how fucked up it is.
it's not always about helping the people. the union stewart doesnt
have to side with you.
That depends on how strong the UNION is. A Union can only be as strong as it's members, regardles of it's stewarts and delegates.
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:04 pm
if you dont pay your dues, you are out.
you really have to be in a union to see how fucked up it is.
it's not always about helping the people. the union stewart doesnt have to side with you.
That depends on how strong the UNION is. A Union can only be as strong as it's members, regardles of it's stewarts and delegates.
That depends on how strong the UNION is. A Union can only be as strong as it's members, regardles of it's stewarts and delegates.
like i said, unions are all about the money and fuck everything up.
That depends on how strong the UNION is. A Union can only be as strong as it's members, regardles of it's stewarts and delegates.
Unions we're a good thing in the 30's and 40's but have become an expensive burden and really serve no good useful purpose these day's.
Unions especially government unions should be dismantled.
Unions we're a good thing in the 30's and 40's but have become an expensive burden and really serve no good useful purpose these day's.
Unions especially government unions should be dismantled.
Unions we're a good thing in the 30's and 40's but have become an
I'm really interested by how you said that. What do you think happened between the 40s and now?
I think what happened is the Unions got to be to big and powerful, remember when Unions force companies to give huge raises and benefits it's always the Consumer that pays for it, and it is one of the factors that causes inflation.
I'm not an economist, but I find that hard to believe. I don't think it has EVER happened that poor people got to be TOO powerful and were really sticking it to the rich...
I'm not an economist, but I find that hard to believe. I don't think it has EVER happened that poor people got to be TOO powerful and were really sticking it to the rich...
By the way, I keep saying "rich" and "poor", but that's misleading because there has always been a middle class. Doctors or lawyers or engineers can make 100k+ a year easily. To me even surgeons are still "poor" *compared to* the guy that owns the hospital or the insurance company.
Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-
I'm not an economist, but I find that hard to believe. I don't think
it has EVER happened that poor people got to be TOO powerful and were really sticking it to the rich...
I'm not an economist, but I find that hard to believe. I don't
think it has EVER happened that poor people got to be TOO powerful
and were really sticking it to the rich...
By the way, I keep saying "rich" and "poor", but that's misleading
because there has always been a middle class. Doctors or lawyers or
engineers can make 100k+ a year easily. To me even surgeons are still
"poor" *compared to* the guy that owns the hospital or the insurance
company.
I did the math real quick and even if you make $100k of *pure profit* every year, you would be a billionaire in about 10,000 years.
reasonable working conditions. If unions and business actually get together, they might discover that happy, well looked after and reasonably paid workers are more productive and good for profits. A good union working on behalf of the workers with management can lead to a win-win situation. :)
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I agree with everything except "win-win". It's always going to be a
kind of VERY tense compromise. The owners will ALWAYS be incentivized
to pay as little as possible and workers will ALWAYS be incentivized to
That's a narrow view, in my opinion. treat workers right, and they'll treat you right as well. Sure, the bean counters will just do the numbers, but a good boss would deal in human factors as well as pure economics. Sadly, many companies do go down the penny pinching route.
That's a narrow view, in my opinion. treat workers right, and they'll treat you right as well. Sure, the bean counters will just do the numbers, but a good boss would deal in human factors as well as pure economics.
That's a narrow view, in my opinion. treat workers right, and they'll tr you right as well. Sure, the bean counters will just do the numbers, but good boss would deal in human factors as well as pure economics. Sadly, many companies do go down the penny pinching route.
The current system of venture capitalist investors just PUTTING MONEY into a good idea and then literally doing nothing else but profiting makes everythi worse.
Re: Re: Government Run Healthcare
By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Tue Aug 22 2017 08:17 am
That's a narrow view, in my opinion. treat workers right, and they'll treat you right as well. Sure, the bean counters will just do the numbers, but a good boss would deal in human factors as well as pure economics.
There's that old saying - people go to work for companies and leave bosses. Respect and support your workers and the good ones will thrive. Those are the ones you'll end up working with again.
Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The current system of venture capitalist investors just PUTTING MONEY
into a good idea and then literally doing nothing else but profiting
makes everything worse.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There's that old saying - people go to work for companies and leave bosses. Respect and support your workers and the good ones will thrive. Those are the ones you'll end up working with again.
There is risk when investing in a company; and venture capitalists knows that the most. They would know what would work and what wouldn't work and how much of a risk they are willing to take.
the days of treating the workers well are over. we are all replacable with overseas work or someone who is underemployed.
the days of treating the workers well are over. we are all replacable with overseas work or someone who is underemployed.
There is risk when investing in a company; and venture capitalists knows that the most. They would know what would work and what wouldn't work and how much of a risk they are willing to take.
I don't think it is just putting money into a company and reaping off of the profits, there is a lot more to it.
dThere is risk when investing in a company; and venture capitalists knows that the most. They would know what would work and what wouldn't work an
thehow much of a risk they are willing to take.
I don't think it is just putting money into a company and reaping off of
ndprofits, there is a lot more to it.
Let me try putting this differently... how would you feel if the government took your tax money, set some of it aside, and used it as venture capital, a
the profits paid for social security or whatever?
Isn't that what the US government doing anyways? Part of my income is toward certain US government programs. What the US government is doing with that money is their responsibility; they, too, need to be held accountable for it.
So, hello, first time poster and I happen to be jagossel's wife. Let me tell you a little something about Indian casinos because I just so happen to be part Indian. Paiute, Miwok, and Navajo on my mothers side to be exact. No one is telling you to go to a Indian Casino, and basically you are showing your ignorance, buddy. That Indian casino that you are racially profiling and throwing shade at pays for taxes, insurance, their employees a living wage, as well as gives goods and services to it's tribal members that you skippy wouldn't even know. So I'm guessing you must be angry that you don't have the intelligence to know when to stop and are angry that the red man has taken your money. You are taking one item and making a mountain out of a
So, hello, first time poster and I happen to be jagossel's wife. Let me tell you a little something about Indian casinos because I just so happen to be part Indian. Paiute, Miwok, and Navajo on my mothers side to be exact. No one is telling you to go to a Indian Casino, and basically you are showing your ignorance, buddy. That Indian casino that you are racially profiling and throwing shade at pays for taxes, insurance, their employees a living wage, as well as gives goods and services to it's tribal members that you skippy wouldn't even know. So I'm guessing you must be angry that you don't have the intelligence to know when to stop and are angry that the red man has taken your money. You are taking one item and making a mountain out of a
Isn't that what the US government doing anyways? Part of my income is toward certain US government programs. What the US government is doing with that money is their responsibility; they, too, need to be held accountable for it.
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