• Flame wars

    From Pparker@VERT/OUTWEST to Denn on Thursday, July 27, 2017 04:52:56
    I Thought the flame wars ended in the mid 90's?
    Hah. I always got into them from about the middle of last decade through the beginning of this one.

    Anyways, shouldn't Mro be banned for this?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Pparker on Thursday, July 27, 2017 16:18:39
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Pparker to Denn on Thu Jul 27 2017 04:52 am

    I Thought the flame wars ended in the mid 90's?
    Hah. I always got into them from about the middle of last decade through the beginning of this one.

    Anyways, shouldn't Mro be banned for this?

    why should someone be banned? if you dont like it you dont have to read it.
    we have twitfilters and all kinds of things.

    just because someone says something you dont agree with, it doesnt mean it doesnt have to exist.

    also i was joking during those posts, but that one guy is autistic and the other guy's mental so they didnt get the irony and sarcasm of my comments.

    i think you should be banned.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to PPARKER on Thursday, July 27, 2017 22:04:00
    I Thought the flame wars ended in the mid 90's?
    Hah. I always got into them from about the middle of last decade through the P>beginning of this one.

    Anyways, shouldn't Mro be banned for this?

    I've found if you put a certain name in the user.can file, whether
    that person is a user on your BBS, or on a network (QWK or FTN),
    Synchronet will automatically delete the message, as it was
    "filtered"...and that applies if the message is to or from that "user".

    When I ran GT Power Software years ago, there was a utility called "Spotkill". One just put the offending users name, or the subject into
    the control file, and any message meeting that criteria was
    automatically deleted.

    I just have set echoes where things get "really flaming" to Verified
    User In Good Standing, and at least 18 years of age. The post from
    another user hit the nail on the head...just don't stoop to their level.

    Of course, I'm sure the kids are hearing about "the birds and the
    bees", and everything else in school. And, it's NOT "Birds Fly, and Bees
    Make Honey". :P

    What users do OUTSIDE THE BBS is THEIR BUSINESS...but they are a GUEST
    IN MY HOME at logon.

    Daryl

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Friday, July 28, 2017 09:10:37
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Daryl Stout to PPARKER on Thu Jul 27 2017 10:04 pm

    The post from
    another user hit the nail on the head...just don't stoop to their level.

    I'd like to apologize for doing that several posts back. It's not something I do very often at all, and I feel a bit embarrassed to have done that.. Normally I have good interactions with people on Dove-Net, and I'd like to keep it that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to Daryl Stout on Friday, July 28, 2017 15:49:42
    Hello Daryl!

    27 Jul 17 22:04, you wrote to PPARKER:

    What users do OUTSIDE THE BBS is THEIR BUSINESS...but they are a
    GUEST IN MY HOME at logon.

    When I have guests in my home I don't give them a list of rules when
    they walk in the door. I just expect them to behave like humans, if they
    don't they are not invited back.

    That's the reason I can't call your BBS, you have un reasonable rules you force on GUESTS IN YOUR HOME. (Shouting like you)

    Normally I ignore you, but I felt I should comment on this after you have said it at least 10 times in the last 3 weeks.

    Could you post a screen shot of the list of rules and regulations you hand out to people who are actually GUESTS IN YOUR HOME for me to see?

    Shawn


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tiny on Friday, July 28, 2017 15:45:42
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Tiny to Daryl Stout on Fri Jul 28 2017 03:49 pm

    When I have guests in my home I don't give them a list of rules when
    they walk in the door. I just expect them to behave like humans, if they don't they are not invited back.

    I agree. Also, since they're logging onto a server machine, I feel like what they can do is more limited than physically entering my house. It seems somewhat different.. My BBS could be hosted in the cloud somewhere and it wouldn't make much difference to me (I just choose to host it on a PC at home).

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, July 28, 2017 19:21:15
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to All on Fri Jul 28 2017 09:10 am

    The post from
    another user hit the nail on the head...just don't stoop to their level.

    I'd like to apologize for doing that several posts back. It's not something I do very often at all, and I feel a bit embarrassed to have done that.. Normally I have good interactions with people on Dove-Net, and I'd like to keep it that way.


    i accept your apology.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, July 28, 2017 17:40:42
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Tiny on Fri Jul 28 2017 03:45 pm

    When I have guests in my home I don't give them a list of rules when
    they walk in the door.

    I agree. Also, since they're logging onto a server machine, I feel like what they can do is more limited than physically entering my house.

    Vork from the web series "The Guild" made his houseguests sign a waiver. Seems about as silly. The Home Analogy has been around as long as BBSes have been, though.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Pparker on Saturday, August 05, 2017 13:59:19
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Pparker to Denn on Thu Jul 27 2017 04:52 am

    I Thought the flame wars ended in the mid 90's?
    Hah. I always got into them from about the middle of last decade through the beginning of this one.

    Anyways, shouldn't Mro be banned for this?

    Each DOVE-Net sysop holds the power to ban/filter whomever they wish. Just add "mro" to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg file and call it a day.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Saturday, August 05, 2017 17:03:12
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Sat Aug 05 2017 01:59 pm

    Re: Flame wars
    By: Pparker to Denn on Thu Jul 27 2017 04:52 am

    I Thought the flame wars ended in the mid 90's?
    Hah. I always got into them from about the middle of last decade through the beginning of this one.

    Anyways, shouldn't Mro be banned for this?

    Each DOVE-Net sysop holds the power to ban/filter whomever they wish. Just add "mro" to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg file and call it a day.

    digital man


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  • From Deepthaw@VERT/DS94 to Digital Man on Saturday, August 05, 2017 19:20:00
    Each DOVE-Net sysop holds the power to ban/filter whomever they wish. Just "mro" to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg file and call it a day.

    Or drop DOVE-Net entirely since apparently using "autistic" as an insult and then accusing me of making up having an autistic son when I point out how personally hurtful that is is acceptable behavior. That's the solution I'm taking.

    Congratulations Mro, you won. Enjoy you sad, miserable life.
  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Deepthaw on Saturday, August 05, 2017 21:32:55
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Deepthaw to Digital Man on Sat Aug 05 2017 19:20:00

    Or drop DOVE-Net entirely since apparently using "autistic" as an insult and then accusing me of making up having an autistic son when I point out how personally hurtful that is is acceptable behavior. That's the solution I'm taking.

    Man.. you think you're going a bit overboard.. EVERYONE on this network has a family member SOMEWHERE that is autistic. My Nephew is. But what he lacks on some areas, he EXCEEDS in others. the boy is pretty much a genius.

    There is no use in writing off a whole group of people because one person decides he wants to be a douchebag and use you as his "outlet of the day" I have to admit that picking at someones child is a severly low blow, that should show you right there his level of maturity.

    Just don't engage him, thats what he want.. and certainly don't tell him he won.. that probably made him have an orgasm knowing him..

    Best thing to do with people like that is to ignore IT and it goes away.. or either talks to itself..

    I truly believe there is about 4 personalities floating around in there.. a couple of them are fairly easy to get along with. the other 2 are douchebags.

    stick around and enjoy the decent people on the network.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deepthaw on Saturday, August 05, 2017 23:15:52
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Deepthaw to Digital Man on Sat Aug 05 2017 07:20 pm

    Or drop DOVE-Net entirely since apparently using "autistic" as an insult and then accusing me of making up having an autistic son when I point out how personally hurtful that is is acceptable behavior. That's the solution I'm taking.

    Congratulations Mro, you won. Enjoy you sad, miserable life.


    sorry, i'm autistic.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Deepthaw on Sunday, August 06, 2017 13:21:00
    Deepthaw wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Or drop DOVE-Net entirely since apparently using "autistic" as an
    insult and then accusing me of making up having an autistic son when I point out how personally hurtful that is is acceptable behavior. That's the solution I'm taking.

    Don't let them win.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Sunday, August 06, 2017 13:35:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Deepthaw <=-

    Man.. you think you're going a bit overboard.. EVERYONE on this network has a family member SOMEWHERE that is autistic. My Nephew is. But what
    he lacks on some areas, he EXCEEDS in others. the boy is pretty much a genius.

    Yes, autistic people are everywhere, with a wide variety of interests, talents and abilities. Some of us even run BBSs. Yep, I'm also autistic, and it's time I went into bat on this one. And yes, officially diagnosed, back in 1992, at a time when the true diversity of the spectrum was largely unknown. That is the reason I haven't done well in the recruitment process (and for me, also why I do well, once in a position - attention to detail).

    There is no use in writing off a whole group of people because one
    person decides he wants to be a douchebag and use you as his "outlet of the day" I have to admit that picking at someones child is a severly
    low blow, that should show you right there his level of maturity.

    Agree totally. The majority of people on DOVE are decent people.

    Just don't engage him, thats what he want.. and certainly don't tell
    him he won.. that probably made him have an orgasm knowing him..

    Agree, I never let them win.

    stick around and enjoy the decent people on the network.

    I hope he does stick around.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Saturday, August 05, 2017 23:23:02
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Deepthaw on Sat Aug 05 2017 09:32 pm


    Or drop DOVE-Net entirely since apparently using "autistic" as an insult and then accusing me of making up having an autistic son when I point out how personally hurtful that is is acceptable behavior. That's the solution I'm taking.

    Man.. you think you're going a bit overboard.. EVERYONE on this network has a family member SOMEWHERE that is autistic. My Nephew is. But what he lacks on some areas, he EXCEEDS in others. the boy is pretty much a genius.

    There is no use in writing off a whole group of people because one person decides he wants to be a douchebag and use you as his "outlet of the day" I have to admit that picking at someones child is a severly low blow, that should show you right there his level of maturity.

    Just don't engage him, thats what he want.. and certainly don't tell him he won.. that probably made him have an orgasm knowing him..

    Best thing to do with people like that is to ignore IT and it goes away.. or either talks to itself..

    I truly believe there is about 4 personalities floating around in there.. a couple of them are fairly easy to get along with. the other 2 are douchebags.


    MAYBE I AM AUTISIC AND YOU ALL ARE PICKING ON _ME_
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  • From Darkwing@VERT to KK4QBN on Saturday, August 05, 2017 22:05:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Deepthaw on Sat Aug 05 2017 09:32 pm

    stick around and enjoy the decent people on the network.

    Look on the bright side... Troll dude has totally demonstrated that the NUP is still a valid and useful thing in 2017 =)

    ...darkwing!

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sunday, August 06, 2017 02:42:20
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 23:23:02

    MAYBE I AM AUTISIC AND YOU ALL ARE PICKING ON _ME_

    I have a feeling you are aware of what you are doing at all times..

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 06, 2017 09:39:35
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Deepthaw on Sun Aug 06 2017 01:21 pm

    Deepthaw wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Or drop DOVE-Net entirely since apparently using "autistic" as an insult and then accusing me of making up having an autistic son when I point out how personally hurtful that is is acceptable behavior. That's the solution I'm taking.

    Don't let them win.


    it's all in his head.
    i didnt even say anything to him about it.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 06, 2017 09:40:06
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 01:35 pm

    Yes, autistic people are everywhere, with a wide variety of interests, talents and abilities. Some of us even run BBSs. Yep, I'm also autistic, and it's time I went into bat on this one. And yes, officially diagnosed,


    i'm autistic too and it's time i went to bad on this one.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Darkwing on Sunday, August 06, 2017 09:43:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Darkwing to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 10:05 pm

    Look on the bright side... Troll dude has totally demonstrated that the NUP is still a valid and useful thing in 2017 =)


    why? i dont sign up on any new bbses.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:18:06
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 02:42 am

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sat Aug 05 2017 23:23:02

    MAYBE I AM AUTISIC AND YOU ALL ARE PICKING ON _ME_

    I have a feeling you are aware of what you are doing at all times..


    are you saying autistic people are not aware of their problems? then why do people say they are autistic?
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sunday, August 06, 2017 11:26:11
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:40:06

    i'm autistic too and it's time i went to bad on this one.

    as far as that goes, I too am autistic, and Bi-polar.

    we all have our issues.. but just because we have them does'nt mean we have the right to make fun of other people (or their children) who have them...

    Yes.. would be best to just let it go.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sunday, August 06, 2017 14:54:54
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:18:06

    are you saying autistic people are not aware of their problems? then why do people say they are autistic?

    It depends on how far their autism has proressed and what type of autism they have.. some can be as simple as a nervous tick when one gets excited.. shaking moving hands back and forth, etc... others are extreme sensitivity to light, ssound. etc. and a mostly universal product of autism is heigtened sense of awaraness and acute knowledge and courtesy. its hard to diagnose over a message base. but you have shown NONE of these symptoms.

    :-)

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sunday, August 06, 2017 13:50:43
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 11:26 am

    we all have our issues.. but just because we have them does'nt mean we have the right to make fun of other people (or their children) who have them...

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little retard over, i will.
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sunday, August 06, 2017 18:51:10
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 13:50:43

    we all have our issues.. but just because we have them does'nt mean we
    have the right to make fun of other people (or their children) who
    have them...

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little retard over, i will.

    Freaking ruthless.. whats bad is I have to laugh...

    Not to make fun of anyone.. I'm just kinda twisted that way.. But You, and
    your 3 other personalities are on a whole other level.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 08:43:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

    as far as that goes, I too am autistic, and Bi-polar.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot more here, BBSing is a hobby (as is ham radio) that attracts technically minded autistic people.

    we all have our issues.. but just because we have them does'nt mean we have the right to make fun of other people (or their children) who have them...

    It's also not an excuse to be a jerk, or as my partner says "Don't be a C***". :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 08:49:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

    @VIA: VERT/KK4QBN
    @TZ: c12c
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun
    Aug 06 2017 10:18:06

    are you saying autistic people are not aware of their problems? then why do people say they are autistic?

    It depends on how far their autism has proressed and what type of
    autism they have.. some can be as simple as a nervous tick when one
    gets excited.. shaking moving hands back and forth, etc... others are extreme sensitivity to light, ssound. etc. and a mostly universal
    product of autism is heigtened sense of awaraness and acute knowledge
    and courtesy. its hard to diagnose over a message base. but you have
    shown NONE of these symptoms.

    :-)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Monday, August 07, 2017 08:50:00
    Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little retard over, i will.

    Now that is an unacceptable insult in any circles. The "R" word is taboo these days. No excuses.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sunday, August 06, 2017 20:20:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 02:54 pm

    over a message base. but you have shown NONE of these symptoms.


    thank you!
    i am going to tell my girlfriend that
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 06, 2017 22:13:22
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:43:00

    It's also not an excuse to be a jerk, or as my partner says "Don't be a C***". :)

    Exactly.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 06, 2017 22:15:23
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:49:00

    @VIA: VERT/KK4QBN
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    [1m[34mRe[0m[34m: [1m[36mRe: Flame wars
    [34mBy[0m[34m: [1m[36mMro [34mto [36mKK4QBN [34mon [36mSun
    Aug 06 2017 10:18:06[0m


    I get no reply from you on this message, only quote.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 06, 2017 22:50:15
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:50 am

    Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little retard over, i will.

    Now that is an unacceptable insult in any circles. The "R" word is taboo these days. No excuses.


    mentally retarded is actually a viable and correct termonology.
    tell everyone you know they are WRONG!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Sunday, August 06, 2017 22:58:31
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:15 pm

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:49:00

    @VIA: VERT/KK4QBN
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    [34mBy[0m[34m: [1m[36mMro [34mto [36mKK4QBN [34mon [36mSun
    Aug 06 2017 10:18:06[0m


    I get no reply from you on this message, only quote.

    i got about 5 of those from him. maybe he's drunk
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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 06, 2017 21:01:44
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:50 am

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little
    retard over, i will.

    Now that is an unacceptable insult in any circles. The "R" word is taboo these days. No excuses.

    To many thin skinned snowflakes these days.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Sunday, August 06, 2017 22:06:29
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:50 pm

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little
    retard over, i will.

    Now that is an unacceptable insult in any circles. The "R" word is
    taboo these days. No excuses.


    mentally retarded is actually a viable and correct termonology.
    tell everyone you know they are WRONG!

    I call some of my siblings retards, as well as politians and some lawyers all Drug abusers and Retarded criminals that do the most retarded things ive ever heard of.

    People are thin skinned snoflakes these days, they think we all should be politically correct morons like them.
    and why do we have to share public restrooms with the pervs that claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a bonus question.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Sunday, August 06, 2017 22:12:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:58 pm

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:49:00

    @VIA: VERT/KK4QBN
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    [34mBy[0m[34m: [1m[36mMro [34mto [36mKK4QBN [34mon [36mSun
    Aug 06 2017 10:18:06[0m


    I get no reply from you on this message, only quote.

    i got about 5 of those from him. maybe he's drunk

    Or maybe he's R*TARD*D <-I'd like a vowel Pat.


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  • From Darkwing@VERT to Digital Man on Sunday, August 06, 2017 23:35:02
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Sat Aug 05 2017 01:59 pm

    Each DOVE-Net sysop holds the power to ban/filter whomever they wish. Just add "mro" to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg file and call it a day.

    Does twitlist.cfg block both messages to and from, or just from? I'd hate to give up on dovenet, because then Mro truly would have won. But as it is, it really does just take one person to poison the well, so yeah, something's gotta change. I enjoy reading the majority of dovenet's messages, but when I want messages such as Mro puts forth, I just go to 4chan.org/b/ ... At least some of that content is funny =)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 17:46:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's also not an excuse to be a jerk, or as my partner says "Don't be a C***". :)

    Exactly.

    Maybe that's how Fidonet Policy5 needs to be written. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 17:47:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I get no reply from you on this message, only quote.

    Hmm, occasional glitch, known as the "cookie monster". Not sure of the exact cause. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Monday, August 07, 2017 17:54:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    mentally retarded is actually a viable and correct termonology.
    tell everyone you know they are WRONG!

    Actually not these days, the official term is "intellectual disability".


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 19:43:00
    Roadhog wrote to Mro <=-

    and why do we have to share public restrooms with the pervs that claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a bonus
    question.

    <eye roll>

    I won't even dignify that with a comment, other than "grow up".


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:23:31
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 22:50:15

    mentally retarded is actually a viable and correct termonology.
    tell everyone you know they are WRONG!

    I don't consider Mentally Retarted and insult as long as the person is mentally retarted.

    using the word against people who are not mentally retarted is an insult to people who are.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:27:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Sun Aug 06 2017 22:58:31

    I get no reply from you on this message, only quote.

    I'm beginning to wonder.. just saw another this morning.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:37:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 22:06:29

    People are thin skinned snoflakes these days, they think we all should be politically correct morons like them.
    and why do we have to share public restrooms with the pervs that claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a bonus question.

    You are quick to call everyone retarted, but you can tell just by what you say that you have been brainwashed my Donald Trump.. that has to be one of the most idiotic things I've seen to date.. someone that listens to that fool and actually takes what he says as viable information.. nothing but oversensationalized hyperbole that is produced to make half of the nation to hate the other half and vice versa, and keep us fighting so they can take our nation away from us while we are otherwise "Preoccupied".

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Darkwing on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:45:36
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Darkwing to Digital Man on Sun Aug 06 2017 23:35:02

    Each DOVE-Net sysop holds the power to ban/filter whomever they
    wish. Just add "mro" to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg file and call it a
    day.

    Does twitlist.cfg block both messages to and from, or just from? I'd hate to give up on dovenet, because then Mro truly would have won. But as it is, it really does just take one person to poison the well, so yeah, something's gotta change. I enjoy reading the majority of dovenet's messages, but when I want messages such as Mro puts forth, I just go to 4chan.org/b/ ... At least some of that content is funny =)

    It only blocks messages from the user that you put in the twitlist.. you will get all other messages but anything from the twitted user will be oblitirated.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:48:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 17:46:00

    Exactly.

    Maybe that's how Fidonet Policy5 needs to be written. ;)

    Truthfull, I cannot believe Fidonet still exists.. the transport medthod is great. but I hate Fidonet..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:49:29
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 17:47:00

    I get no reply from you on this message, only quote.

    Hmm, occasional glitch, known as the "cookie monster". Not sure of the exact cause. :(

    Ah ok.. and you just reminded me of that cheesy but loveable movie "Hackers"..

    Type Cookie Damnit!

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 07:51:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 19:43:00

    claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can
    access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a
    bonus question.

    <eye roll>

    I won't even dignify that with a comment, other than "grow up".

    Exactly.. sounds like a friggin trump rally..

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 08:01:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:43 pm

    I won't even dignify that with a comment, other than "grow up".

    Back in the '80s-90's, there was a restaurant in San Francisco called Hamburger Mary's that was very queer-friendly, to use the period-appropriate term.

    You'd see early dot com bubble tech guys alongside guys in drag at the bar, and butch women with their girlfriends, all getting along just fine.

    They had single occupant bathrooms, and changed the signs over the years:

    MEN WOMEN
    GUYS DOLLS
    BUTCH FEMME
    WHOEVER WHOEVER

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 08:48:47
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Darkwing on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:45 am

    It only blocks messages from the user that you put in the twitlist.. you will get all other messages but anything from the twitted user will be oblitirated.

    I could have sworn it blocked messages to the user in twitlist.cfg, too?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 09:20:08
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Darkwing on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:45 am

    It only blocks messages from the user that you put in the twitlist.. you will get all other messages but anything from the twitted user will be oblitirated.

    And also, messages others write TO the twitlisted user will also be blocked.

    Nightfox

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Monday, August 07, 2017 11:16:40
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:40 am

    i'm autistic too and it's time i went to bad on this one.

    I had an autistic coworker once. He had zero social skills and was always... well... drumming with his hands. It was a nervous tick I think, he'd air drum all the time. He did ok work if you explained everything to him, but he "didn't get it" sometimes. He wasn't stupid either, he had a BA in English literature.

    He was also obsessed with hiring a dominatrix online because sex was baffling to him and he just wanted to be told what to do. But he was too afraid and socially anxious to ever call one. He was ALWAYS trying to connect with women, but couldn't figure it out. He thought he'd wow them with his extensive knowldge of English literature. Like he'd try to pick up the cashier at Taco Bell by explaining different kinds of English literature to her, because that is how human interaction made sense to him. He was basically just REALLY awkward and REALLY lonely. This is what happens when people are "different".

    I don't mean this in an insulting way, he was a real human being that I knew, and I don't intend to make fun of him, but these are facts. He was VERY different. He had REAL problems that weren't funny.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 11:57:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:06 pm

    I call some of my siblings retards, as well as politians and some lawyers all Drug abusers and Retarded criminals that do the most retarded things ive ever heard of.

    People are thin skinned snoflakes these days, they think we all should be politically correct morons like them.

    I hear what you're saying, but do you seriously think defending name calling is the most pressing political problem we have?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 12:07:07
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:37 am

    You are quick to call everyone retarted, but you can tell just by what you say that you have been brainwashed my Donald Trump.. that has to be one of the most idiotic things I've seen to date.. someone that listens to that fool and actually takes what he says as viable information.. nothing but

    Believe it or not, I don't like "social justice warriors" much. In the vast majority of cases it's more productive to GET WORK DONE to fix social problems than to vent about your feelings about them on facebook. People these days seem to have gotten confused and think that tweeting your opinions is being "politically involved". If you want to get politically involved, get politically involved. But it's a little different than cheering as loud as possible, or complaining as loud as possible.

    ON THE OTHER HAND, people have some crazy ideas that just because these people are a little bit annoying, there is no such thing as racism or sexism anymore, and we can just do whatever we want and if we offend someone it's their problem. When did being an asshole become a political position?

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 11:16:18
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:43 pm

    and why do we have to share public restrooms with the pervs that
    claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can
    access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a
    bonus question.

    <eye roll>

    I won't even dignify that with a comment, other than "grow up".

    This is a real issue, and most of these gender confused people should not be allowed to use the wrong restrooms, they are a small percentage of the total population and yet it's like everything else anymore the minority seems to
    get there way on issues they should'nt.
    Well guess what allot of us are appauled by men using womens public restrooms and women using mens public restrooms.
    So maybe you should grow up! and stop pandering to these people every time they make a noise.
    and no I guess you won't dignify that with an answer because maybe you lost your dignity, when someone challenges your thought process all you can do is say Grow UP? really?

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 11:36:00
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 07:37 am

    People are thin skinned snoflakes these days, they think we all
    should be politically correct morons like them.

    You are quick to call everyone retarted, but you can tell just by what you say that you have been brainwashed my Donald Trump.. that has to be one of the most idiotic things I've seen to date.. someone that listens to that fool and actually takes what he says as viable information.. nothing but oversensationalized hyperbole that is produced to make half of the nation to hate the other half and vice versa, and keep us fighting so they can take our nation away from us while we are otherwise "Preoccupied".

    No I'm not brainwashed, Trump a fool? No he was the only one this last election cycle to touch on the issues that main stream America thought was important.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 15:51:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 06 2017 09:01 pm

    i didnt make fun of his kid but if he wants to bring the little
    retard over, i will.

    Now that is an unacceptable insult in any circles. The "R" word is taboo these days. No excuses.

    To many thin skinned snowflakes these days.



    i think the word snowflake is used too much now. i used to use it all the time because i love fightclub. so, now i just use retard.
    retard never goes out of style.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 15:55:09
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Sun Aug 06 2017 10:06 pm

    I call some of my siblings retards, as well as politians and some lawyers all Drug abusers and Retarded criminals that do the most retarded things ive ever heard of.

    People are thin skinned snoflakes these days, they think we all should be politically correct morons like them.
    and why do we have to share public restrooms with the pervs that claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a bonus question.


    "words hurt".

    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    when i was bullied i stood up to the bullies and felt great about it.

    it's part of life. in the real world you have to stand up for yourself. bitch ass cant be running to mommy forever.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Darkwing on Monday, August 07, 2017 15:57:31
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Darkwing to Digital Man on Sun Aug 06 2017 11:35 pm

    Does twitlist.cfg block both messages to and from, or just from? I'd hate to give up on dovenet, because then Mro truly would have won. But as

    i always win, bitch!

    hate to give up on dovenet, because then Mro truly would have won. But as it is, it really does just take one person to poison the well, so yeah, something's gotta change. I enjoy reading the majority of dovenet's messages, but when I want messages such as Mro puts forth, I just go to 4chan.org/b/ ... At least some of that content is funny =)

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 15:59:07
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 05:46 pm

    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's also not an excuse to be a jerk, or as my partner says "Don't be a C***". :)

    Exactly.

    Maybe that's how Fidonet Policy5 needs to be written. ;)


    they can write their policies however they want. nobody follows them.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:00:51
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Mon Aug 07 2017 05:54 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    mentally retarded is actually a viable and correct termonology.
    tell everyone you know they are WRONG!

    Actually not these days, the official term is "intellectual disability".


    i'm sure someone cried to them.

    means the same thing as mentally retarded, so jokes on them.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:05:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:01 am

    and butch women with their girlfriends, all getting along just fine.

    They had single occupant bathrooms, and changed the signs over the years:

    MEN WOMEN
    GUYS DOLLS
    BUTCH FEMME
    WHOEVER WHOEVER



    that's too bad because i'd hate to use a restroom that women use. they're fucking disgusting.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:10:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 12:07 pm

    Believe it or not, I don't like "social justice warriors" much. In the vast


    your nose is growing Leregard
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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:34:27
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:16:18

    and why do we have to share public restrooms with the pervs that
    claim they they are what ever weird perverted gender so they can
    access the other genders restroom? <-just added that last part as a
    bonus question.

    <eye roll>

    I won't even dignify that with a comment, other than "grow up".

    This is a real issue, and most of these gender confused people should not be allowed to use the wrong restrooms, they are a small percentage of the total population and yet it's like everything else anymore the minority seems to get there way on issues they should'nt.

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that problem still exists even without these policies, but it seems like it can make the situation worse and allowing preditors to cry inequality when it is just a manipulation tactic.


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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:01:19
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:16 am

    So maybe you should grow up! and stop pandering to these people every time they make a noise.
    and no I guess you won't dignify that with an answer because maybe you lost your dignity, when someone challenges your thought process all you can do is say Grow UP? really?

    *I* can say a lot more than "grow up".

    There's considerable evidence that "gender confusion" as you say is a medical disorder. Call it a birth defect, if you prefer, but it's a real condition nonetheless, and they deserve your compassion not your anger. We're not entirely sure what part of the brain produces "gender", but it turns out it's more complicated than just hormones and your penis size. A VERY small number of people appear to be born with their brains and bodies backwards. I can't explain it, but that seems to be happening. Really.

    I don't doubt that *some people* have not a lot going on in their lives to feel special about, and don't know what kind of twitter they should have, etc., and they're faking it... but that's true of people on the Trump bandwagon too.

    EITHER WAY, I don't really see what you're so mad about. When religious people don't like gay marriage, for RELIGIOUS reasons, I disagree, but that at least makes sense. Sort of. I mean, I get what they're saying even if I disagree. But what difference does it make what bathroom people use? Who cares?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:02:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:36 am


    No I'm not brainwashed, Trump a fool? No he was the only one this last election cycle to touch on the issues that main stream America thought was important.

    Oh man, "if main stream America" thinks BATHROOMS are what's really important, God help us all.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 16:08:51
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:01 pm

    at least makes sense. Sort of. I mean, I get what they're saying even if I disagree. But what difference does it make what bathroom people use? Who cares?

    This may surprise you, but A LOT of trans people are really, really good at it, and have had a lot of practice doing it right, and when a "woman" dresses up like a "man", you wouldn't notice. You've probably stood in checkout lines behind them and never noticed. You probably pass them on the street. You might work with some. Employers don't check your genitals at a job interview, last I heard.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, August 07, 2017 20:16:48
    Re: Flame wars
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:48:47

    It only blocks messages from the user that you put in the twitlist..
    you will get all other messages but anything from the twitted user
    will be oblitirated.

    I could have sworn it blocked messages to the user in twitlist.cfg, too? [0m

    maybe I'm wrong,, but I thougt was iwasjust messf

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Monday, August 07, 2017 20:18:19
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 09:20:08

    Q

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Monday, August 07, 2017 20:28:02
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 12:07:07


    ON THE OTHER HAND, people have some crazy ideas that just because these people are a little bit annoying, there is no such thing as racism or sexism anymore, and we can just do whatever we want and if we offend someone it's their problem. When did being an asshole become a political


    Januarary 20th 2017

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Jagossel on Monday, August 07, 2017 20:14:46
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Jagossel to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:34 pm

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that problem still exists even without these policies, but it seems like it can make the situation worse and allowing preditors to cry inequality when it is just a


    imagine a serial rapist could just dress as a woman now and switch back in bathrooms. it would add a whole 'nother element to making it hard to catch this person.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:16:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Maybe that's how Fidonet Policy5 needs to be written. ;)

    Truthfull, I cannot believe Fidonet still exists.. the transport
    medthod is great. but I hate Fidonet..

    There's a couple of good echoes (IPv6 is useful), but there's a lot of dead wood. The local z3 echoes are mostly quiet, but friendly and occasionally fun when someone pipes up. :) We have a friendly corner of Fidonet down here.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:16:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Ah ok.. and you just reminded me of that cheesy but loveable movie "Hackers"..

    Type Cookie Damnit!

    Haha, I haven't seen that for years! :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:18:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Exactly.. sounds like a friggin trump rally..

    Good description! Trup's only pushing transgender people under the bus to distract from his incompetence.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:34:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Back in the '80s-90's, there was a restaurant in San Francisco called Hamburger Mary's that was very queer-friendly, to use the period-appropriate term.

    Still used informally occasionally here.

    You'd see early dot com bubble tech guys alongside guys in drag at the bar, and butch women with their girlfriends, all getting along just
    fine.

    Now, that would have been an interesting place to hangout, such a variety of people.

    They had single occupant bathrooms, and changed the signs over the
    years:

    MEN WOMEN
    GUYS DOLLS
    BUTCH FEMME
    WHOEVER WHOEVER

    At the autism centre I work for, we have a sign "This bathroom is for everyone", and we had another sign that had not only the usual male/female figures, but a range of transgender ones, wheelchair, even an alien and a unicorn. The co-tenenants of our building apparently didn't like that one. Given that the percentage of transgender people among autistics is several times that of the general population, we feel it's an important thing to have. Straight cisgender people can seem like a minority there. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:35:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is a real issue, and most of these gender confused people should
    not be allowed to use the wrong restrooms, they are a small percentage

    Easy fix, make all restrooms gender neutral, problem solved! And who are you to say that they're "gender confused"? Sounds more like heterosexual cisgender privilege to me.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:17:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

    I don't consider Mentally Retarted and insult as long as the person is mentally retarted.

    Not if it's used in a clinical sense, though at least in this part of the world, the clinical term is now "intellectual disability", or ID for short.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:56:00
    Leregard wrote to Mro <=-

    I had an autistic coworker once. He had zero social skills and was always... well... drumming with his hands. It was a nervous tick I think, he'd air drum all the time. He did ok work if you explained

    That's called "stimming", it's a form of emotional and sensory regulation.

    everything to him, but he "didn't get it" sometimes. He wasn't stupid either, he had a BA in English literature.

    Communication can be different to what most people are used to, there's SO much that people assume when they speak or give instructions. People are not aware they do this, and between "neurotypical" people, this is usually not an issue, because the assumptions on both sides are more or less the same. Add an autistic person, and those assumptions will usually fail. I'm uniquely aware of this, which may make me appear pedantic, because I will call such assumptions when I hear them, but the end result is usuaally good, clear communication. :)

    He was also obsessed with hiring a dominatrix online because sex was baffling to him and he just wanted to be told what to do. But he was
    too afraid and socially anxious to ever call one. He was ALWAYS trying
    to connect with women, but couldn't figure it out. He thought he'd wow

    Yes, sex and relationships can be a minefield! There's so many layers of social rituals and communication to navigate. Straight autistic men often have a particularly hard time with handling this (a mental straw poll count from various online forums), though it can affect all genders and sexual orientations.

    them with his extensive knowldge of English literature. Like he'd try
    to pick up the cashier at Taco Bell by explaining different kinds of English literature to her, because that is how human interaction made sense to him. He was basically just REALLY awkward and REALLY lonely. This is what happens when people are "different".

    A clash of value systems and needs.

    I don't mean this in an insulting way, he was a real human being that I knew, and I don't intend to make fun of him, but these are facts. He
    was VERY different. He had REAL problems that weren't funny.

    Yes, the problems are more one of an interface with wider society. Put people like him in the right place, with the right supports and they will thrive.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:59:00
    Leregard wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    Believe it or not, I don't like "social justice warriors" much. In the vast majority of cases it's more productive to GET WORK DONE to fix
    social problems than to vent about your feelings about them on

    I agree, that's I spend a lot of time in the real world trying to help with some of these social problems, both in voluntary and paid capacities.

    someone it's their problem. When did being an asshole become a
    political position?

    As I said the other day, don't be a c***. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:59:00
    Roadhog wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    No I'm not brainwashed, Trump a fool? No he was the only one this last election cycle to touch on the issues that main stream America thought
    was important.

    In sound bites, looks like someone drank the Kool-Aid. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:00:00
    Mro wrote to Roadhog <=-

    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left
    and right.

    They always were, just you hear about it more now.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:05:00
    Mro wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    that's too bad because i'd hate to use a restroom that women use.
    they're fucking disgusting.

    Well, you'd be SOL out of luck in many places around town here, a lot of facilities are unisex, especially smaller ones with only a few stalls. There is a trend for newer restrooms to be unisex around here. Any diffentiation tends to be for mobility - able bodied, "ambulant" (easier for people with walking frames and crutches to use) and fully accessible (wheelchair access).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:06:00
    Jagossel wrote to Roadhog <=-

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that problem

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this tripe? Do you actually know any transgender people?


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 18:28:13
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:18 pm

    Q

    ?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:14:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    There's considerable evidence that "gender confusion" as you say is a medical disorder. Call it a birth defect, if you prefer, but it's a

    Gender "differences" have been around as long as humans have. Many cultures make references to "two spirit" or similar people, who are neither "male" or "female" as usually recognised. Sometimes, these people are revered in traditional societies, that haven't been corrupted by Western political and religious values.

    real condition nonetheless, and they deserve your compassion not your anger. We're not entirely sure what part of the brain produces

    They get my respect as people, treated like anyone else, with the exception that I can't assume what peonouns to use, often need to ask.

    "gender", but it turns out it's more complicated than just hormones and your penis size. A VERY small number of people appear to be born with their brains and bodies backwards. I can't explain it, but that seems
    to be happening. Really.

    Some aspects may be social conditioning, some are innate, but how sex, gender and gender expression (all are distinct separate things) are interrelated is still poorly understood. What is certain is we humans are complicated creatures, and often don't fit into nice little boxes. :)

    EITHER WAY, I don't really see what you're so mad about. When
    religious people don't like gay marriage, for RELIGIOUS reasons, I

    I like the saying "If you don't like gay marriage, don't do it". :) Our government here is still tying itself in knots over marriage. They keep employing delaying tactics, but as the only English speaking Western democrach without marriage equality, Australia is looking increasingly silly on this issue. The problem is the government is pandering to conservative extremists within thrir party, who are bullying the moderates into these delaying tactics or threatening some reprisal, from a leadership spill to blocking preselection for the next election for politicians who don't fall into line.

    To me, it's simple:

    1. Draft a Bill to change the Marriage Act. Religious institutions already have protections so they aren't forced to perform marriages against their beliefs, and that shouldn't change. Several Bills have been proposed, most of them worthy.
    2. Have a free Parliamentary vote.
    3. Job done (#2 would pass, on known numbers).

    disagree, but that at least makes sense. Sort of. I mean, I get what they're saying even if I disagree. But what difference does it make
    what bathroom people use? Who cares?

    Exactly, I don't give a shit, well, actually, that's probably why I'd be in there actually! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:16:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    This may surprise you, but A LOT of trans people are really, really
    good at it, and have had a lot of practice doing it right, and when a "woman" dresses up like a "man", you wouldn't notice. You've probably stood in checkout lines behind them and never noticed. You probably
    pass them on the street. You might work with some. Employers don't
    check your genitals at a job interview, last I heard.

    Well, all they want to do is live as the gender they identify as - something that goes to the core of their identity.


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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:44:26
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:36:00

    No I'm not brainwashed, Trump a fool? No he was the only one this last election cycle to touch on the issues that main stream America thought was important.
    Uh.. was there really much a choice..

    that;s like having a choice between dumb, and dumber..he might have "touched: on some issues, but has'nt followed throught on any of them..

    I can make unfounded promises all day long.. that does'nt mean I wil do it..


    Hey man.. I have a brige for sale.. wanna buy it?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:58:50
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:16 pm

    I could have sworn it blocked messages to the user in twitlist.cfg, too? [0m

    maybe I'm wrong,, but I thougt was iwasjust messf


    you put someone in your twitfilter, you do not see their posts.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:59:03
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:18 pm

    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 09:20:08

    Q


    are we all having keyboard probs?!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:59:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 08:16 am

    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Maybe that's how Fidonet Policy5 needs to be written. ;)

    Truthfull, I cannot believe Fidonet still exists.. the transport medthod is great. but I hate Fidonet..

    There's a couple of good echoes (IPv6 is useful), but there's a lot of dead wood. The local z3 echoes are mostly quiet, but friendly and occasionally fun when someone pipes up. :) We have a friendly corner of Fidonet down here.


    i guess the cooking echo was or is really booming.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 23:00:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 08:18 am

    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Exactly.. sounds like a friggin trump rally..

    Good description! Trup's only pushing transgender people under the bus to distract from his incompetence.


    i just think he doesnt want to pay for gender reassignments.

    actually it's another smoke screen. it was a non issue pretty much.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 23:02:04
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 08:35 am

    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is a real issue, and most of these gender confused people should not be allowed to use the wrong restrooms, they are a small percentage

    Easy fix, make all restrooms gender neutral, problem solved! And who are you to say that they're "gender confused"? Sounds more like heterosexual cisgender privilege to me.



    i'd rather keep the bathrooms men and women.

    that way i can go into a mens room and its relatively clean and also
    i can USE it and it's not clogged with women.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 23:08:13
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:17 am

    KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

    I don't consider Mentally Retarted and insult as long as the person is mentally retarted.

    Not if it's used in a clinical sense, though at least in this part of the world, the clinical term is now "intellectual disability", or ID for short.



    i find the word 'disabled' offensive. how do we know they are any less abled than a non retarded person? i know a lot of 'normal' people that barely function.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 23:08:38
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:00 am

    Mro wrote to Roadhog <=-

    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    They always were, just you hear about it more now.


    nah, i dont believe that.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 23:09:00
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:05 am

    Mro wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    that's too bad because i'd hate to use a restroom that women use. they're fucking disgusting.

    Well, you'd be SOL out of luck in many places around town here, a lot of facilities are unisex, especially smaller ones with only a few stalls.
    There is a trend for newer restrooms to be unisex around here. Any diffentiation tends to be for mobility - able bodied, "ambulant" (easier for people with walking frames and crutches to use) and fully accessible (wheelchair access).


    that's why god gave me a dick for pissing on trees!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 23:09:28
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:06 am

    Jagossel wrote to Roadhog <=-

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that problem

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this tripe?
    Do you actually know any transgender people?


    stuff like this has actually happened.
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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Jagossel on Monday, August 07, 2017 21:43:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Jagossel to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:34 pm

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that problem still exists even without these policies, but it seems like it can make the situation worse and allowing preditors to cry inequality when it is just a manipulation tactic.

    I pretty much agree whith what you say here.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Monday, August 07, 2017 21:52:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:01 pm

    *I* can say a lot more than "grow up".

    There's considerable evidence that "gender confusion" as you say is a medical disorder. Call it a birth defect, if you prefer, but it's a real condition nonetheless, and they deserve your compassion not your anger. We're not entirely sure what part of the brain produces "gender", but it turns out it's more complicated than just hormones and your penis size. A VERY small number of people appear to be born with their brains and bodies backwards. I can't explain it, but that seems to be happening. Really.

    I'm not disputing that there are a small percentage of people with crossed wires but there is a fairly large percentage of sexual deviants that want to use the wrong restroom.
    and no I am not mad or angry, just putting in my two cents.

    "... Anything dropped in the bathroom falls in the toilet."

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:05:47
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:08 pm

    at least makes sense. Sort of. I mean, I get what they're saying
    even if I disagree. But what difference does it make what bathroom
    people use? Who cares?

    I care, it's my Wife, Mother, Daughters, Granddaughters, Sisters Aunt's Grandma's etc.. that have yet something else to fear when being in a public place.
    it makes allot of difference to those who just lost another place they should feel secure at.
    rule of thum if you have a penis goto the mens restroom, if you have a vagina goto the Womens restroom.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 14:26:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-

    someone it's their problem. When did being an asshole become a political

    Januarary 20th 2017

    LOL well said. :D


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:18:19
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:06 am

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less
    an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their
    next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that
    problem

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this tripe? Do you actually know any transgender people?

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all touch with reality and common sence.
    Oh must be the radio waves from your Ham gear that is eating your brains.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:23:08
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 06:28 pm

    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:18 pm

    Q

    ?

    He probably fell asleep with his nose on the keyboard again.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to vk3jed on Monday, August 07, 2017 22:34:24
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:02 pm

    Easy fix, make all restrooms gender neutral, problem solved! And who
    are you to say that they're "gender confused"? Sounds more like
    heterosexual cisgender privilege to me.

    that's not a fix, thats giving license to perverts to use a restroom they should not be allowed in, and you wonder why we call you a Retard.

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  • From Darkwing@VERT to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 02:02:37
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Darkwing on Mon Aug 07 2017 03:57 pm

    Re: Flame wars
    By: Darkwing to Digital Man on Sun Aug 06 2017 11:35 pm

    Does twitlist.cfg block both messages to and from, or just from? I'd
    hate to give up on dovenet, because then Mro truly would have won.
    But as

    i always win, bitch!

    hate to give up on dovenet, because then Mro truly would have won.
    But as it is, it really does just take one person to poison the well,
    so yeah, something's gotta change. I enjoy reading the majority of
    dovenet's messages, but when I want messages such as Mro puts forth, I
    just go to 4chan.org/b/ ... At least some of that content is funny =)

    you're being overly dramatic. go back to the rock you crawled out under, lamer.

    You win =) This can be your little shithole. Where's your crown, King Nothing? =)

    ...darkwing!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:56:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i guess the cooking echo was or is really booming.

    Why do you say that? I don't follow it.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:01:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i'd rather keep the bathrooms men and women.

    that way i can go into a mens room and its relatively clean and also
    i can USE it and it's not clogged with women.

    Can't say I've experienced either in unisex bathrooms. Actually my pet hate comes from men, who are too lazy to lift up the seat when they take a piss in a stall, and then are too lazy to clean up their mess on the seat.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:08:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i find the word 'disabled' offensive. how do we know they are any less abled than a non retarded person? i know a lot of 'normal' people that barely function.

    Actually, if you use the social model of disability, "disabled" is actually a reflection of how poorly society handles people who are different.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:09:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    They always were, just you hear about it more now.


    nah, i dont believe that.

    I've been reading the same stories online for decades.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:09:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    that's why god gave me a dick for pissing on trees!

    That works in the woods. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:10:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this tripe?
    Do you actually know any transgender people?


    stuff like this has actually happened.

    Either trumped up (sorry, couldn't resist), or relatively uncommon.


    ... Did anybody listen to the boring parts of the evidence?
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:13:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all
    touch with reality and common sence.

    I'm actually wondering what planet you're from. I actually have significant contact with the transgender community here.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 19:14:00
    Roadhog wrote to vk3jed <=-

    that's not a fix, thats giving license to perverts to use a restroom
    they should not be allowed in, and you wonder why we call you a Retard.

    You're so hung up about those restrooms.


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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 06:39:46
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 22:18:19

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less
    an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their
    next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that
    problem

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this tripe
    ?
    Do you actually know any transgender people?

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all touch wit
    h
    reality and common sence.
    Oh must be the radio waves from your Ham gear that is eating your brains.

    @Roadhog: Please, provide something more insightful.

    @VK3JED: This isn't coming from reading from tabloids, this is from hearing it from my wife who experienced it herself.

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, and it appears to be the case. I disagree with the
    life style, but I'm going to push that onto others, The issue I have is non-transgender people who are creaps that will pretend to be transgender just as a method of manipulation in getting their way and causing serious harm.

    Since Target has been enforcing that policy, there was a creep hanging around and following women into the restrooms. Police did finally catch the person, thankfully. My wife had to deal with this guy before, and she was worried about our kids that she had with her.

    You can accuse me of reading tabloids or being brainwashed by Trump all you want, I know what I was told by my OWN WIFE.

    -jag
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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 06:43:46
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:39:46

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, and it appears to be the case. I disagree with the life style, but I'm going to push that onto others, The issue I have is

    Ugh, it's early still.,. I'm not going to push my beliefs onto others. I will provide my experience and opinion on the matter, but that's as far as I'm goung to take it.

    Continue to attack, and I'm done agruing. We'll just have to agree that we disageree.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:43:54
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 15:55:09

    "words hurt".

    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    when i was bullied i stood up to the bullies and felt great about it.

    it's part of life. in the real world you have to stand up for yourself. bitch ass cant be running to mommy forever.

    Yep. you are correct.. Bullying, and Bullies are all part of growing up nd being a KID. Now that we are "All grown up" we have supposedy matured past that point. as we can all see.. some of us hav'nt though.. Most people like that end up in jail. but there are still some floating around in society. don't worry.. they'll get caught up with soon when they bully the wrong person.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:45:14
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Darkwing on Mon Aug 07 2017 15:57:31

    i always win, bitch!

    Get over yourself.. this is the talk of a pathetic loser..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:57:05
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 15:59:07

    Maybe that's how Fidonet Policy5 needs to be written. ;)


    they can write their policies however they want. nobody follows them.

    Fidonet sucks anymore anyway..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:04:24
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 16:00:51

    Actually not these days, the official term is "intellectual
    disability".


    i'm sure someone cried to them.

    means the same thing as mentally retarded, so jokes on them.


    It might "Mean" the same thing, but jerks don't go around throwing it as slang. and the term intellectual disability, they would'nt know how to say..

    So yeah.. Win, win...

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:09:16
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 16:05:34

    MEN WOMEN
    GUYS DOLLS
    BUTCH FEMME
    WHOEVER WHOEVER



    that's too bad because i'd hate to use a restroom that women use. they're fucking disgusting.

    I've always found womens restrooms far nastier then mens retrooms.. Yes I'v Cleaned many restrooms in my life.. not just in resteraunts, but office buildings also..


    I don't any want to start to list some of the nastiness I have found in womens restrooms.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:20:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 03:55 pm

    "words hurt".
    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    when i was bullied i stood up to the bullies and felt great about it.

    I'm just going to come right out and be honest... I'd like to torture you until your spirit breaks.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:28:01
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:20 am

    "words hurt".
    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    when i was bullied i stood up to the bullies and felt great about it.

    I'm just going to come right out and be honest... I'd like to torture you until your spirit breaks.

    When people are numb and words can't touch them anymore, it's not a good thing. I'd like to watch the police beating the shit out of you for no reason.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:36:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:28 am

    I'm just going to come right out and be honest... I'd like to torture you until your spirit breaks.

    When people are numb and words can't touch them anymore, it's not a good thing. I'd like to watch the police beating the shit out of you for no reason.

    I'm imagining a meme where I take a photograph of a nazi concentration camp, long lines for the gas chambers, and I've photoshopped your head on one of the victims shoulders. I'm imagining it as hard as I can. Can you see it too?

    Am I speaking the language you understand now?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:45:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Jagossel to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:34 pm

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that problem still exists even without these policies, but it seems like it can make the situation worse and allowing preditors to cry inequality when it is just a manipulation tactic.


    Ok, look. People get raped all the time. Rape is ALREADY ILLEGAL, and nothing is stopping perverts from just WALKING INTO any bathroom they want. They're public bathrooms and the door is usually unlocked, right?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:48:13
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Jagossel on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:14 pm


    imagine a serial rapist could just dress as a woman now and switch back in bathrooms. it would add a whole 'nother element to making it hard to catch this person.

    THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY. There is zero incentive for a serial rapist to pretend to be a transgender first. Think about it. If you have a problem with serial rapists, I get that.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:59:54
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:00 am

    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves left and right.

    They always were, just you hear about it more now.

    The suicide rate in the US much higher for veterans than for the general population, and one imagines them being the toughest people we have.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:14:09
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:08 pm


    nah, i dont believe that.

    Nobody cares what you BELIEVE, you shallow retard. Start paying attention to the world OUTSIDE your head.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:20:31
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Mon Aug 07 2017 09:52 pm

    I'm not disputing that there are a small percentage of people with crossed wires but there is a fairly large percentage of sexual deviants that want to use the wrong restroom.
    and no I am not mad or angry, just putting in my two cents.

    A "fairly large percentage of sexual deviants". No, there is not. Did you see that on Fox News?

    I'm asking seriously, why do you think that? Where did you acquire your expertise on the strategies of sexual deviants?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:22:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:05 pm

    rule of thum if you have a penis goto the mens restroom, if you have a vagina goto the Womens restroom.


    What if you have both?

    Yeah, that happens. God makes people wrong sometimes, I guess.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:25:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:18 pm

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all touch with reality and common sence.
    Oh must be the radio waves from your Ham gear that is eating your brains.

    Do you think genetics and identity and which chromosomes lead to which personality traits is "common sense"? I don't. It's hard. People come out of the womb with their gender wrong, I just take their word for it.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:31:01
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:34 pm

    that's not a fix, thats giving license to perverts to use a restroom they should not be allowed in, and you wonder why we call you a Retard.

    I'm not sure if I should just keep saying this... but perverts don't need a LICENSE to be perverts. Rape is already illegal. There's about a million things you should be worried about, the world is fundamentally unsafe and our bodies are fundamentally fragile...

    Actually, sending your daughter to college, or letting her join the Army, is probably raising her chances of sexual assault way more than letting people use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in.

    I'd have to google the statistics... but actually, trans people are WAY more likely to get sexual assaulted or otherwise abused than they are to assault anyone else... like the statistics are staggering on this.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:37:46
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:43 am


    Continue to attack, and I'm done agruing. We'll just have to agree that we disageree.


    I am ALSO against weirdos hanging out around Target restrooms, by the way. We can agree on that. We're on the same page about weirdos haarassing women. I take a position firmly AGAINST harassing women in public restrooms, ok? But unless you have a better reason why this is a transgender issue... we can agree that you're in the wrong.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 07:54:26
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 11:36 am

    No I'm not brainwashed, Trump a fool? No he was the only one this last election cycle to touch on the issues that main stream America thought was important.

    We'll see if Republican America learned its lesson next time around - and see if the democrats can rally and come up with a better candidate.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:14:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Jagossel to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 04:34 pm

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists)

    How many documented cases of pedophiles and rapists claiming gender dysphoria in order to commit crimes are there?

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:22:59
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:43 am

    By: jagossel to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:39:46

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, and it appears to be the case. I disagree with
    the life style, but I'm going to push that onto others, The issue I
    have is

    Okay you replied to me but I didn't write the above.


    Ugh, it's early still.,. I'm not going to push my beliefs onto others. I will provide my experience and opinion on the matter, but that's as far as I'm goung to take it.

    It just seems to me that the sexual deviants are pushing the idea of non gender restrooms and nobody considers the consequences.
    Your example of the restrooms at Target was a great example.

    "... A Mind is a terrible thing to waste, A waste is a terrible thing to Mind!"

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:19:33
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 16:01:19

    *I* can say a lot more than "grow up".

    There's considerable evidence that "gender confusion" as you say is a medical disorder. Call it a birth defect, if you prefer, but it's a real condition nonetheless, and they deserve your compassion not your anger. We're not entirely sure what part of the brain produces "gender", but it turns out it's more complicated than just hormones and your penis size. A VERY small number of people appear to be born with their brains and bodies backwards. I can't explain it, but that seems to be happening. Really.


    you cannot explain it because it's a load of bullshit.

    EITHER WAY, I don't really see what you're so mad about. When religious people don't like gay marriage, for RELIGIOUS reasons, I disagree, but that at least makes sense. Sort of. I mean, I get what they're saying even if I disagree. But what difference does it make what bathroom people use? Who cares? [0m

    Do you have a young daughter? If so, Would you want a MAN to walk into a public restroom with your daugther and be alone with her, and you not knowing what this MANS true intentions are.. I don't believe gender identity disorder is a genetic issue.. I believe someone has something rewired in their head.. either through abuse, or being bullied, etc. but there are PREDATORS out there who are using his opportunity to prey upong innocent children.. I truly don'y believe the trangender people themselves would cause trouble, but people POSING as a trangender person would.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:24:17
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 16:02:34

    Oh man, "if main stream America" thinks BATHROOMS are what's really important, God help us all.

    Bathrooms never really were a real issue. mainstream media sure made it out to be while certain people got away with certain things during one of the most important decision making times in US history,

    Our Media as failed us, Our politicians have failed us.. They all need to be shipped away to some deserted islands somwhere so they can argue and bicker amongst themselves.. Maybe they will figure out a way to fashion bommbs out of coconuts and blow each other up.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:31:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:19:33

    Do you have a young daughter? If so, Would you want a MAN to walk into a pub
    lic
    restroom with your daugther and be alone with her, and you not knowing what this MANS true intentions are.. I don't believe gender identity disorder is
    a
    genetic issue.. I believe someone has something rewired in their head.. eith
    er
    through abuse, or being bullied, etc. but there are PREDATORS out there who
    are
    using his opportunity to prey upong innocent children.. I truly don'y believ
    e
    the trangender people themselves would cause trouble, but people POSING as a trangender person would.

    Amen, Tim! This is exactly the same messsge that I was trying to convey! I might have failed at it, but the way you have put it is so much more clear!

    -jag
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:33:15
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 07 2017 16:08:51

    at least makes sense. Sort of. I mean, I get what they're saying
    even if I disagree. But what difference does it make what bathroom
    people use? Who cares?

    This may surprise you, but A LOT of trans people are really, really good at it, and have had a lot of practice doing it right, and when a "woman" dresses up like a "man", you wouldn't notice. You've probably stood in checkout lines behind them and never noticed. You probably pass them on the street. You might work with some. Employers don't check your genitals at a job interview, last I heard.

    This reminds me of a Trangender person we used to pic up in a taxi, He actually made a very beautiful woman, But I could tell he was male from day one. Not this person I was training as a driver though. This dude was complementing,
    and flirting with this guy the whole trip. then when the guy gets out of the taxi, the Trainee looked at me and said "Look at that ass". I told him, First off, you need to treat all customer in a PROFESSIONAL MANNER, second off, we do not "Flirt" with our customers or ask for their number. and Third, See that ass walking up the sidewalk? Thats a guys ass!.

    That changed his perspective from then on.

    I should have never told him he was a transvestite and just let him call the dude :)

    I would'nt have wanted to put terry (tara) the tranvestite through that though.. She was a very good person. Ver nice and polite on every trip, and tipped well too.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:38:31
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 07 2017 20:16:48

    maybe I'm wrong,, but I thougt was iwasjust messf

    I don't know how many messages I put out like this lastnight, but I have'nt been sleeping well the past few days, and I kept falling asleep at the keyboard.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:38:55
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 20:18:19

    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 09:20:08

    Q

    Yep..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:48:26
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 18:28:13

    Q

    ?

    I've had Insomnia the past few days and I kept falling aslepp at the keyboard lastnight.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:55:27
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 22:58:50

    I could have sworn it blocked messages to the user in
    twitlist.cfg, too? [0m

    maybe I'm wrong,, but I thougt was iwasjust messf



    you put someone in your twitfilter, you do not see their posts.

    I know there is no way you understood that message from me, because I sure did 'nt.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:57:28
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Mon Aug 07 2017 22:59:03

    Q


    are we all having keyboard probs?!

    Yes' still having keyboard problems, but last night was a mixture of that and being extremely tired..


    I've figured out that I can ust log out of X and log back in to fix the keyboard issues, but I would like to know what is causing it.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:58:17
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 23:00:12

    i just think he doesnt want to pay for gender reassignments.

    actually it's another smoke screen. it was a non issue pretty much.


    I fully agree..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59:18
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 23:02:04

    that way i can go into a mens room and its relatively clean and also
    i can USE it and it's not clogged with women.

    and over-expanded tampons that have been thrown in the toilet.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:01:35
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 23:08:13

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    i find the word 'disabled' offensive. how do we know they are any less abled than a non retarded person? i know a lot of 'normal' people that barely function.

    Exactled.. and what exactly do they mean by "Abled" abled to do what?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:05:04
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 23:09:28

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this
    tripe? Do you actually know any transgender people?
    stuff like this has actually happened.

    Yes, it is.. Unless the New Lied.. as soon as all the target stores "I believe it is target" made their restrooms unisex, a total of 5 men were arrested for taking picture of women in the restroom, and one made sexual advanced toward a 13 year old girl.. all of this was in our local news viewing area.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 08:58:56
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:28 am

    "words hurt".
    people nowadays are weak. that's why kids are hanging themselves
    left and right.

    when i was bullied i stood up to the bullies and felt great about
    it.

    I'm just going to come right out and be honest... I'd like to torture
    you until your spirit breaks.

    When people are numb and words can't touch them anymore, it's not a good thing. I'd like to watch the police beating the shit out of you for no reason.

    Wow you have serious anger management problems, you should check yourself into a mental institute because you sound a like a nutjob.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:04:51
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:45 am

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or less
    an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack their
    next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize that

    Ok, look. People get raped all the time. Rape is ALREADY ILLEGAL, and nothing is stopping perverts from just WALKING INTO any bathroom they want. They're public bathrooms and the door is usually unlocked, right?

    Except if it's a womens restroom only then people might be inclined to call the police when they see a fat slob go into the wrong restroom, gawd you're a
    tard.

    "... You have the right to remain silent! please use that right."

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:14:40
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:20 am

    I'm not disputing that there are a small percentage of people with
    crossed wires but there is a fairly large percentage of sexual

    A "fairly large percentage of sexual deviants". No, there is not. Did you see that on Fox News?

    Yes there is, Here in the USA you can look up sex offenders in your own neiborhood, It's horrifing just how many there are.

    I'm asking seriously, why do you think that? Where did you acquire your expertise on the strategies of sexual deviants?

    I read the News, I watch the News, I listen to the News.
    Just because you live in your little bubble on this planet does'nt mean we all do, who knows you could even be one of those, how would we kmow?
    not saying you are I'm just sayin.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:17:52
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:22 am

    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:05 pm

    rule of thum if you have a penis goto the mens restroom, if you have a
    vagina goto the Womens restroom.


    What if you have both?

    Finally you make a good point, and one that I have absolutly no answer for.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:23:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:25 am

    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 10:18 pm

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all
    touch with reality and common sence.

    Do you think genetics and identity and which chromosomes lead to which personality traits is "common sense"? I don't. It's hard. People come out of the womb with their gender wrong, I just take their word for it.

    I don't ever just take anyones word for anything, been burned to many times by liars.
    Like I said before I do belive there are a few that are born with their wires twisted but I would never just take someones word for anything.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 09:45:55
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 07:54 am

    No I'm not brainwashed, Trump a fool? No he was the only one this
    last election cycle to touch on the issues that main stream America
    thought was important.

    We'll see if Republican America learned its lesson next time around - and see if the democrats can rally and come up with a better candidate.

    in 2017 alone Democrats have lost 24 more seats, recently Jim Justice of West Virgina changed party affiliation from Dem to Rep.
    the only place I see Dems winning right now are in special elections and thats not enough to counter what they lost.


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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:57:34
    I am ALSO against weirdos hanging out around Target restrooms, by the way.
    We can agree on that. We're on the same page about weirdos haarassing women. I take a position firmly AGAINST harassing women in public restrooms, ok?
    But unless you have a better reason why this is a transgender issue... we can agree that you're in the wrong.

    The reason why it's an issue: it just make it that much more easier for these pedophiles and rapists to get away with it.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:00:15
    How many documented cases of pedophiles and rapists claiming gender dysphoria in order to commit crimes are there?

    None, but there are documented arrests made against those who have been following women into the restrooms. However, who's to say they won't or will make that claim?

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 10:43:31
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:31 am

    Actually, sending your daughter to college, or letting her join the Army, is probably raising her chances of sexual assault way more than letting people use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in.

    REALLY, there's like a hundred different kinds of "sexual assault" related issues that you'll find people yelling about online, and your silence on all of them except the one that lets you discriminate against transgendered individuals speaks volumes about what your real priorities are.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:25:28
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:45 am

    i always win, bitch!

    Get over yourself.. this is the talk of a pathetic loser..


    For some reason, this reminds me of a time many years ago... it was right after the Columbine shooting happened, back when that was NEW and people were still adjusting to the idea that the people you think are easy targets for bullying might bring a gun to school and shoot you in the face. Anyway...

    I was walking down the street. That's it, I was just walking on the sidewalk, and this guy across the street calls me a "trenchcoat mafia wannabe faggot", for no reason. I guess my coat was too long for him, I don't know. It was winter, I was wearing a coat, and it was black, so yeah... I think people were still shocked about the Columbine thing. This was his way of dealing with it, I guess.

    Imagine that. I mean, imagine... mass shootings were still SURPRISING back then. Just think about that.

    But I thought to myself, "what an idiot! why would you MAKE FUN of somebody for looking like they MIGHT SHOOT YOU? That's just poor planning."

    So I would normally have ignored this, but just this one time, I crossed the street and stared right at him. I put my hand into my coat, like I was reaching for a gun (I did not actually have a gun, but I might have) and I calmly asked him for an apology. He went pale. He stammered out that he was sorry, but what he was really saying was "please don't shoot me".

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:28:35
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:25 pm

    calmly asked him for an apology. He went pale. He stammered out that he was sorry, but what he was really saying was "please don't shoot me".

    The moral of the story is that people say things online that they would never say in person, because being stabbed is relatively easy.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:28:03
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 22:18:19

    I don't think it's the issue with gender identity, it's more or
    less an issue with those who will claim a cetain gender to attack
    their next victim (I'm thinking pedophiles and rapists). I realize
    that problem

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this
    tripe? Do you actually know any transgender people?

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all touch with reality and common sence.
    Oh must be the radio waves from your Ham gear that is eating your brains.

    Why ha smy name come up in this, Or VK3JED? how have we lost reality and common "SENSE".. Do you have any idea wtf you are even commenting about anyway? You have'nt left enough refrence material in your comment for _me_ to have any
    idea what you are commenting about.. Try again there.. "Snowflake"..

    BTW - Radiowaves have no effect on my brain because I wear a tinfoil hat..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:28:34
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 22:23:08

    By: KK4QBN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 07 2017 08:18 pm

    Q

    ?

    He probably fell asleep with his nose on the keyboard again.

    Right on brother...

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:37:29
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to vk3jed on Mon Aug 07 2017 22:34:24

    Easy fix, make all restrooms gender neutral, problem solved! And who
    are you to say that they're "gender confused"? Sounds more like
    heterosexual cisgender privilege to me.

    that's not a fix, thats giving license to perverts to use a restroom they should not be allowed in, and you wonder why we call you a Retard.


    Is THIS the reason you state I have lost touch reality? I agree with you on this.. if you would have actually left enough refrence material for me to understand wtf you were speaking about, and READ the thread instead of jumping to conclusion, you would see that I agree with you on this..

    Unless it was just a fear mongering ploy from our local media. Just in our area alone when target changed their restroom policy, this became a BIG issue arund here.. PERVS taking pictures of women in batroomsand one even trying to pickup a 13 year old girl..

    this will solve the proble, in LARGE chain stores, create a hallway with and in this hallway build about 10 VERY SMALL bathrooms with toilet and sink only. don't mark them for ANY GENDER, also build a FAMILY bathroom.. problem. have EVERY restroom with lockable doors.

    I'm drive for a living, if I go to a C-store, and the MENS restroom is occupied and they are single occupancy restrooms, I will use the womens restroom in a heartbeat.. that is if the last user did'nt crap all over the wall and floor.

    this should not even be an issue.. especially one for the news.. this was just a smoke screen to cover a larger issue.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:22:42
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:43 am

    Actually, sending your daughter to college, or letting her join the
    Army, is probably raising her chances of sexual assault way more than
    letting people use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in.

    REALLY, there's like a hundred different kinds of "sexual assault" related issues that you'll find people yelling about online, and your silence on all of them except the one that lets you discriminate against transgendered individuals speaks volumes about what your real priorities are.

    you sent this to me but it wasn't my quote.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:29:26
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:25 pm

    But I thought to myself, "what an idiot! why would you MAKE FUN of somebody for looking like they MIGHT SHOOT YOU? That's just poor planning."

    So I would normally have ignored this, but just this one time, I crossed the street and stared right at him. I put my hand into my coat, like I was reaching for a gun (I did not actually have a gun, but I might have) and I calmly asked him for an apology. He went pale. He stammered out that he was sorry, but what he was really saying was "please don't shoot me".

    So not only are you mentally unstable you might also be a pyscho.
    what if he would've had a gun or a knife?
    or you may just be retarded.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:56:24
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 01:37 pm

    this should not even be an issue.. especially one for the news.. this was just a smoke screen to cover a larger issue.


    We all turn into feminists, apparently, when it comes to trans people using bathrooms.

    Here are some statistics that will give you a very unpleasant day, and probably nightmares:

    www.rainn.org/statistics
    An American is sexually assaulted every 98 seconds. Every 8 minutes, that victim is a child. Only 6 out of every 1,000 will end up in prison.

    www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
    In the US military academies, 5% of women report surviving rape, as do 2.4% of men.
    25% of women and 16% of men have been sexually abused as children.

    ****28% of women in the military experienced rape during their military service****. 96% of rapists are also in the military.

    If we're all so concerned about this, let's talk about it. How can we stop this? Keeping trans people out of bathrooms isn't going to stop anything, and if you're just using this REAL WORLD HORROR to score political points and throw trans people under the bus should be ashamed of themselves.

    It's more than a little suspicious that NOW, because of transgender bathroom laws, people SUDDENLY care about this and want practical solutions for dealing with it, don't you think? No one worried about this before? Shame on you.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:58:34
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:29 am

    So not only are you mentally unstable you might also be a pyscho.
    what if he would've had a gun or a knife?
    or you may just be retarded.

    Then we'd have fought to the death right there on the sidewalk, obviously. THAT'S the part that worries you... calling me a fag for no reason just for walking down the street, that's ok? Geez.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:01:19
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:58 am

    So not only are you mentally unstable you might also be a pyscho.
    what if he would've had a gun or a knife?
    or you may just be retarded.

    Then we'd have fought to the death right there on the sidewalk, obviously. THAT'S the part that worries you... calling me a fag for no reason just for walking down the street, that's ok? Geez.

    Ok, fine. Let's just get this out of the way.

    Are you supposed to be tough and stand up to bullying, or are you supposed to cower in front of them because they might have a knife? I mean, what's the right answer?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:12:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:56 am

    It's more than a little suspicious that NOW, because of transgender bathroom laws, people SUDDENLY care about this and want practical solutions for dealing with it, don't you think? No one worried about this before? Shame on you.

    Even I'm surprised at how lit up I am about this...

    Rape is bad enough, it's bad enough that happens at all, and as often as it does, but honestly, it's even worse to me that *as far as I can see*, most people only worry about it when it happens in public bathrooms. The other 99.999% of sexual assault and harassment, that's not our problem at all... but we'll be damned if we let them get away with those bathroom laws.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:27:11
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Aug 08 2017 01:00 pm

    None, but there are documented arrests made against those who have been following women into the restrooms. However, who's to say they won't or will make that claim?

    And on top of everything, when the transgender woman, who you would call a "man in a dress", uses the mens restroom because he has a penis, you would all FLIP OUT and call the police about the cross dresser in the mens restroom.

    If it's a transgender man, with a vagina, dressed up as a man, looking like a man, walking into the womens restroom because of the whole vagina thing, you would ALSO flip out and call the police about the man in the women's restroom, so make up your minds. This is a non-issue.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:28:21
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 08:22 am

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, and it appears to be the case. I disagree
    with the life style, but I'm going to push that onto others, The
    issue I have is

    Okay you replied to me but I didn't write the above.

    We seem to have a lot of instances of people replying to the wrong people lately..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:30:18
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:33 am

    PROFESSIONAL MANNER, second off, we do not "Flirt" with our customers or ask for their number. and Third, See that ass walking up the sidewalk? Thats a guys ass!.

    That changed his perspective from then on.

    I should have never told him he was a transvestite and just let him call the dude :)

    Aerosmith made a song about that..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Darkwing on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 15:54:37
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Darkwing to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 02:02:37

    You win =) This can be your little shithole. Where's your crown, King Nothing? =)

    DOn't giv ethis pitiful excuse for a child the time of day.. yeah.. he has won.. douchebag of the year award.. He's right up there with charlie sheen..

    WINNING!

    since we have the voting option we need to use it for people to put a proposol vote out there for people who need to be put on a "universal twitlist".

    Create a QWK network with 2 message bases, one will include the polls with the name that is to be voted on example.

    To: All
    From: Anonymous (or Whatever)
    Subject: NAME TO ADD TO UNIVERSAL TWITLIST -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    This poll has been created to assertain whether (INSERT NAME HERE) should be added to the universal Twitlist:

    (1) YES: =============== (15)
    (2) NO: ===== (05)
    (3) UNDECIDED: ==== (04)

    Out of 24 votes, 56% have voted that (USERNAME) should be added to the universal TWITLIST.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Second message area should be the universal twitlist itself, and maybe evek could have name.can and ip.can also of people want, and this message area will be READ ONLY, and the messages can be EXPORTED to their respective files via SMBUTIL a HUB BBS will create the messages, it will also create the POLL messages. the TWIT requests can be filled out using an anonymous APP that will send the data via QWKnet or JSON or something straight to the hub.

    I feel this will be the ONLY democratic and fair way to have a universal twitlist. users who are added to this twitlist can file a public appeal which then will be voted on again by the sysops who are part of the UTwit Network (TM) :-)

    Just and Idea

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 16:10:18
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 19:09:00

    that's why god gave me a dick for pissing on trees!

    That works in the woods. :D

    He would be the type to do it in a waterpark in front of everyone..

    This reminds me of a buddy of mine, we went to white water, and we both had one of those "Free Refill" cups.. and we both drank a LOT of drink, about six hours into the day I had already went to the restroom to piss about 8 times, and he did'nt go one single time.. all day long, especially in the line I kepts smelling the strong smell of urine. I though, yeah, thats gross.. it must be little kids pissing their pants or something.. It took me a while to finally put two and two together.. This 40 year old man is PISSING on the waterslides, in the SAME tubes i'm going down with him because he's too damn lazy and pathetic to go to the bathroom.. Needless to say, as soon as I figured that out, I went to the shower, stripped down and scrubbed the piss (Literally) off myself.. and I'm usually the tpe of person who is too embarresed to shower publicly, but I thought nothing of that.. so after I showered I went and rode the ride I had initally went to ride in the first place and then left and have never went back to a water park ever again..

    It just made me think, if a 40 yar old man is pissing in the water, how many kids and other lazy effers are pissing in the water.. they say when you are in a pool, or water park and smell chlorine REAL stron, does'nt mean they have too much chlorine in the water, it means the chlorine is working overtime to clean all the biological waste and fecal matter out of the water.. Sickening indeed.. I'll just stick with my perfectly pH balanced swimming pool.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 16:14:20
    We all turn into feminists, apparently, when it comes to trans people using bathrooms.

    Here are some statistics that will give you a very unpleasant day, and probably nightmares:

    www.rainn.org/statistics
    An American is sexually assaulted every 98 seconds. Every 8 minutes, that victim is a child. Only 6 out of every 1,000 will end up in prison.

    www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
    In the US military academies, 5% of women report surviving rape, as do 2.4% of men.
    25% of women and 16% of men have been sexually abused as children.

    ****28% of women in the military experienced rape during their military service****. 96% of rapists are also in the military.

    If we're all so concerned about this, let's talk about it. How can we stop this? Keeping trans people out of bathrooms isn't going to stop anything, and if you're just using this REAL WORLD HORROR to score political points and throw trans people under the bus should be ashamed of themselves.

    It's more than a little suspicious that NOW, because of transgender bathroom laws, people SUDDENLY care about this and want practical solutions for dealing with it, don't you think? No one worried about this before? Shame on you.

    Nobody is blaming it on the LGBT community, and no one is going to make an argument against the presented statistics nor argue against the fact that it's happening. And I'm sure that we are upset and disgusted with these crimes that goes on day-by-day and nothing is being done about it.

    Re-read some the messages, and see that we are not blaming it on the transgender; all we're saying is there are rapists and pedophiles who's going to (and have in some areas) take advantage of this opportunity. It's not the transgenders' fault, it's the predatpors' fault.

    It appears to me that a lot of us in this thread are in an agreement. This thread is just being dragged on because the emotions are a bit or extremely high (depemding on the person). The fingerpointing and shaming isn't helping either.

    -jag
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 16:15:54
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 19:13:00

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all
    touch with reality and common sence.

    I'm actually wondering what planet you're from. I actually have significant contact with the transgender community here.

    I pretty much asked him the same question.. he either Mis-Interpreted BOTH of our posts. or just plain stupid..

    I also am in touch and know a LOT about the trangender community around here and also the Gay community and have a LOT of Gay friends. and being a TAXI driver you are immersed in ALL of these cultures and learn a lot about them.. I know a FEW trangendered people who would beat the living shit out of a sexual predator.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 16:16:52
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 19:14:00

    that's not a fix, thats giving license to perverts to use a restroom
    they should not be allowed in, and you wonder why we call you a
    Retard.

    You're so hung up about those restrooms.

    He don't want his Glory Holes taken away..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 16:18:59
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:31:37

    Amen, Tim! This is exactly the same messsge that I was trying to convey! I might have failed at it, but the way you have put it is so much more clear!

    It's only because I know from experience.. I was one of those Children who was the victim of a sexual predator.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 16:26:33
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:48:13

    THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY. There is zero incentive for a serial rapist to pretend to be a transgender first. Think about it. If you have a problem with serial rapists, I get that.

    THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY. There is zero incentive for a serial rapist to pretend to be a transgender first. Think about it. If you have a problem with serial rapists, I get that.


    Hence the idea of having a hallway with about 10 rooms in it that all include locking doors and have nothing but a toilet in them.. the hallway itself will have a CCD camera in it and about 4-5 sinks with dryers, etc.. and one of the bathrooms in the hallway would be a bit larger for disabled people and also be a "Family" bathroom.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:01:42
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:56 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i guess the cooking echo was or is really booming.

    Why do you say that? I don't follow it.


    the cooking echo is supposed to be active or WAS active.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:03:03
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 07:09 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    that's why god gave me a dick for pissing on trees!

    That works in the woods. :D


    anything is a tree if you have to piss bad enough!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:04:08
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 07:13 pm

    I'm actually wondering what planet you're from. I actually have significant contact with the transgender community here.


    u gay
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:04:47
    Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:45 am

    Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Darkwing on Mon Aug 07 2017 15:57:31

    i always win, bitch!

    Get over yourself.. this is the talk of a pathetic loser..

    still winning!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:07:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:09 am

    that's too bad because i'd hate to use a restroom that women use. they're fucking disgusting.

    I've always found womens restrooms far nastier then mens retrooms.. Yes I'v Cleaned many restrooms in my life.. not just in resteraunts, but office buildings also..


    I don't any want to start to list some of the nastiness I have found in womens restrooms.



    when i was a kid working in a factory at my first job the cleaning lady took a week vacation. i was told to fill in for her.
    i will not go further in talking about this other than NEVER AGAIN. and i think they all had their periods at the same time.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:13:00
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:05 pm

    Yes, it is.. Unless the New Lied.. as soon as all the target stores "I believe it is target" made their restrooms unisex, a total of 5 men were arrested for taking picture of women in the restroom, and one made sexual advanced toward a 13 year old girl.. all of this was in our local news viewing area.


    i rememember one of a guy dressing up like a woman so he could take photos.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 18:14:27
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 04:10 pm


    that's why god gave me a dick for pissing on trees!

    That works in the woods. :D

    He would be the type to do it in a waterpark in front of everyone..


    trumpwrong.gif

    wronnng!
    i dont like waterparks
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:39:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The suicide rate in the US much higher for veterans than for the
    general population, and one imagines them being the toughest people we have.

    Same here. We don't look after our veterans properly.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:52:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This 40 year old man is PISSING on the waterslides, in the SAME tubes
    i'm going down with him because he's too damn lazy and pathetic to go

    Charming, some people have no respect for others. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:09:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I pretty much asked him the same question.. he either Mis-Interpreted
    BOTH of our posts. or just plain stupid..

    I don't care what he says, it sounded like regurgitated Trump propaganda to me.

    I also am in touch and know a LOT about the trangender community around here and also the Gay community and have a LOT of Gay friends. and
    being a TAXI driver you are immersed in ALL of these cultures and learn
    a lot about them.. I know a FEW trangendered people who would beat the living shit out of a sexual predator.

    Yeah, as a taxi driver, you'd get to know all sorts of people, and you can't stereotype anyone. My own contact with the trans community is via the gay community (of which I am a part - and have a place in online history), and also the disability community, where I am now involved in intersectional advocacy. I've also had to learn how to be a good trans ally, something the advocacy work really helps with. And being intersectional, with a focus on autism, one not only meets transgender people, but agender (genderless), non binary and genderfluid people.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:09:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You're so hung up about those restrooms.

    He don't want his Glory Holes taken away..

    Haha good point! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to jagossel on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:02:00
    jagossel wrote to Roadhog <=-

    @VK3JED: This isn't coming from reading from tabloids, this is from hearing it from my wife who experienced it herself.

    OK, can't argue what solid first hand evidence like that, but creeps are gonna be creeps regardless. Better policing needed, perhaps?

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, and it appears to be the case. I disagree with
    the life style, but I'm going to push that onto others, The issue I
    have is non-transgender people who are creaps that will pretend to be transgender just as a method of manipulation in getting their way and causing serious harm.

    Sorry, you lost my support using "lifestyle" in this context, that is offensive to many. And while your wife's experience has demonstrated there is a problem, is it right to deny all transgender people some dignity, because of a few creeps? Isn't there perhaps a better solution that lets the honest people win and punishes the creeps?


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:03:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

    I've always found womens restrooms far nastier then mens retrooms.. Yes I'v Cleaned many restrooms in my life.. not just in resteraunts, but office buildings also..

    I've heard the same from cleaners that I've known too.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:04:00
    Leregard wrote to Mro <=-

    THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY. There is zero incentive for a serial rapist
    to pretend to be a transgender first. Think about it. If you have a problem with serial rapists, I get that.

    I'd say the vast majority of us have problems with serial rapists, but that's another issue altogether, and one that derserves serious consideration.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:15:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    What if you have both?

    Or neither, there are documented cases (very rare) of people born with no external genitalia. Both of these cases are examples of another minority - intersex, and these people definitely ARE born that way. There's also a group of people in one part of the world where there is a genetic predisposition for some people to be born showing female, then developing male traits during puberty.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:17:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    Do you think genetics and identity and which chromosomes lead to which personality traits is "common sense"? I don't. It's hard. People
    come out of the womb with their gender wrong, I just take their word
    for it.

    That's all we can do, it's a core part of a person's identity, and those of us who do not experience such a contradition (including myself, as I am not transgender) can't fully understand what it's like.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:23:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Mro <=-

    Yes, it is.. Unless the New Lied.. as soon as all the target stores "I believe it is target" made their restrooms unisex, a total of 5 men
    were arrested for taking picture of women in the restroom, and one made sexual advanced toward a 13 year old girl.. all of this was in our
    local news viewing area.

    So, there should be a "no using cameras" (which they are clear to state includes mobile phones) rule, like in the change rooms at the local gym. And looks like there needs to be some security nearby, if for no other reason than to let those grubs know that they WILL be reported/caught.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:29:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Roadhog <=-

    this will solve the proble, in LARGE chain stores, create a hallway
    with and in this hallway build about 10 VERY SMALL bathrooms with
    toilet and sink only. don't mark them for ANY GENDER, also build a
    FAMILY bathroom.. problem. have EVERY restroom with lockable doors.

    That's too much like common sense. :)

    I'm drive for a living, if I go to a C-store, and the MENS restroom is occupied and they are single occupancy restrooms, I will use the womens restroom in a heartbeat.. that is if the last user did'nt crap all over the wall and floor.

    this should not even be an issue.. especially one for the news.. this
    was just a smoke screen to cover a larger issue.

    There's obviously an issue with sexual assaults and rape, that is the issue we need to be tackling sensibly, and a lot of that comes down to our attitude to women. Just the other day, a damning report came out on sexual assault in Australian universities, and basically women and minorities had a very high rate of sexual assault. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:32:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    Then we'd have fought to the death right there on the sidewalk,
    obviously. THAT'S the part that worries you... calling me a fag for no reason just for walking down the street, that's ok? Geez.

    And yet, some people do that, often because of their own insecurities.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:35:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Darkwing <=-

    since we have the voting option we need to use it for people to put a proposol vote out there for people who need to be put on a "universal twitlist".

    Not all of us have that option. Only those who run 3.17 AND log into the BBS (i.e. not offline readers).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:37:00
    KK4QBN wrote to jagossel <=-

    It's only because I know from experience.. I was one of those Children
    who was the victim of a sexual predator.

    I was too, but in my case, it was a really unusual weird intruder, not the more common person known to the victim. No grooming, just someone with a really weird fetish.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:58:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the cooking echo is supposed to be active or WAS active.

    OK, as I don't read it, I don't know.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:59:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    u gay

    Well, since you asked... :P


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 12:08:00
    Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    when i was a kid working in a factory at my first job the cleaning lady took a week vacation. i was told to fill in for her.
    i will not go further in talking about this other than NEVER AGAIN. and
    i think they all had their periods at the same time.

    I think this is corroborated by many cleaners around the world, all the cleaners I've known would agree with you that the womens restrooms are the worst.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 22:24:49
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 04:10 pm

    in a pool, or water park and smell chlorine REAL stron, does'nt mean they have too much chlorine in the water, it means the chlorine is working overtime to clean all the biological waste and fecal matter out of the


    If you smell chlorine _at all_ ,it means there's piss in the water.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 22:28:29
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 11:35 am

    KK4QBN wrote to Darkwing <=-

    since we have the voting option we need to use it for people to put a proposol vote out there for people who need to be put on a "universal twitlist".

    Not all of us have that option. Only those who run 3.17 AND log into the BBS (i.e. not offline readers).


    i disabled it because i found the voting option pointless.

    also, as digitalman pointed out, you can just add someone to the twitlist
    on your own bbs quite easily. a universal twitlist would be stupid, especially when someone can just change their name easily.

    regardless, only guy i've seen that warranted blocking is that chinaman guy. regarding myself, these guys talking about banning me dont even know what the conversation thread was about. they were just trying to stir up shit.
    i twitlisted THEM.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 22:28:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 11:37 am

    KK4QBN wrote to jagossel <=-

    It's only because I know from experience.. I was one of those Children who was the victim of a sexual predator.

    I was too, but in my case, it was a really unusual weird intruder, not the more common person known to the victim. No grooming, just someone with a really weird fetish.


    okay now you gotta tell us more.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 22:30:08
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Aug 09 2017 11:58 am

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the cooking echo is supposed to be active or WAS active.

    OK, as I don't read it, I don't know.


    i didnt ask you if it was. i was just stating what i heard.
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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 23:21:26
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:25:34

    What planet are you from Vk3jed? you and Tim seem to have lost all
    touch with reality and common sence.
    Oh must be the radio waves from your Ham gear that is eating your
    brains.

    Do you think genetics and identity and which chromosomes lead to which personality traits is "common sense"? I don't. It's hard. People come out of the womb with their gender wrong, I just take their word for it.

    Um... If I'm born with a Penis, I'm supposed to have a penise.. no amount of private, or mainstream brainwashing will change that fact.

    Just as being Gay is not a genetic predisposition, it is a perversion.. either BY choice or BY being molested or raped as a child and your developing brain cannot cope with whats happening, so ot wires itself to make you thinkg it is something normal. along with the "coaxing", and "grooming" of the sick minde fu*C doing this to you.

    our sexual organs have evolved for ONE reason only, to REPRODUCE. our brains release endorphines to make us enjoy the act of reproduction so we will be successful in that act. any manipulation to create these endorphines in any other way than ROD (A) going into slot (B) is a perversion of NATURE. and if you noticed none of this explanation had ANYTHING to do with religion.

    What happens when you stick two POSITIVE poles of two AA batteries together and try to power something? well??... It just does'nt work.. I do beleive one day maybe our bodies will evolve beyond the need to have reproductive organs, we will reproduce asexually.

    Until then.. People.. Please quit trying to change science and nature.. even through all of this, I still do not judge someone for being Gay. I know a lot of GOOD Gay people, and even they admit that their issue is a PERVERSION, and not some genetic predisposition. One of these Gay friends even went back to being straight after he quit doing drugs and got married and now has two children.. You come out and tell him he was born with a GAY GENE.

    HAHAHAHA.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 23:25:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:31:01

    Actually, sending your daughter to college, or letting her join the Army, is probably raising her chances of sexual assault way more than letting people use the bathroom they feel most comfortable in.

    This, I most definatly agree with.. The whole freeking bathroom issue was only a smokescreen covering something bigger.. WHY are we still bickering about this?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 23:32:22
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:28:35

    calmly asked him for an apology. He went pale. He stammered out that
    he was sorry, but what he was really saying was "please don't shoot
    me".

    The moral of the story is that people say things online that they would never say in person, because being stabbed is relatively easy.

    Exactly!

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 23:41:38
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:56:24

    It's more than a little suspicious that NOW, because of transgender bathroom laws, people SUDDENLY care about this and want practical solutions for dealing with it, don't you think? No one worried about this before? Shame on you.

    I KNOW people cared, and were concerned about this before, because I AM one of those child statistic. the population cares, the CITIZENS care, and I Care, the MEDIA does NOT care.. the media reports what they are TOLD to report. plain and simple..

    and to tell you the truth, Id be willing to bet a transgender person really could give to craps where they use the restroom. but that Pedophile is happy that store are openong restrooms up to any gender.. If they would just create restrooms like I have diagramed earlier, everyone would be happy.. except sexual predators.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 23:43:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:30:18

    Aerosmith made a song about that..

    Dude look like a lady :-)

    never judge a book by its cover..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 23:52:08
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 18:07:12

    when i was a kid working in a factory at my first job the cleaning lady took a week vacation. i was told to fill in for her.
    i will not go further in talking about this other than NEVER AGAIN. and i think they all had their periods at the same time.


    Yep, whats bad is that there are little sanitary disposal buckets right there in the stall, but a lot of them seemed to enjoy just tossing it in the toilet.. and those things are super absorbent, and expand..


    Ok.. my stomach has been screwed all day... I'm finished..

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 21:35:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 04:15 pm

    I also am in touch and know a LOT about the trangender community around here and also the Gay community and have a LOT of Gay friends. and being a TAXI driver you are immersed in ALL of these cultures and learn a lot about them.. I know a FEW trangendered people who would beat the living shit out of a sexual predator.

    So you went from being a Janitor to being a Taxi driver?
    way to move ahead in life.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 21:43:47
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:04 pm

    I'm actually wondering what planet you're from. I actually have
    significant contact with the transgender community here.


    u gay

    People that know alot of Gay transgeder lesbian probably are gay, other wise how would the know so many? they must travel in the same circles.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 00:14:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 11:35:00

    Not all of us have that option. Only those who run 3.17 AND log into the BBS (i.e. not offline readers).

    True, forgor about that..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 00:16:04
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 11:37:00

    It's only because I know from experience.. I was one of those
    Children who was the victim of a sexual predator.

    I was too, but in my case, it was a really unusual weird intruder, not the more common person known to the victim. No grooming, just someone with a really weird fetish.

    Same here..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 00:22:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 22:28:29

    regardless, only guy i've seen that warranted blocking is that chinaman guy. regarding myself, these guys talking about banning me dont even know what the conversation thread was about. they were just trying to stir up shit. i twitlisted THEM.

    dude.. I remember that prick.. he makes your antics look like childsplay.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 00:24:57
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 22:28:58

    okay now you gotta tell us more.
    *rubs hands*

    Karma is a Bitch, wait till you end up in PRISON for doing something stupid and get yours as an adult..

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 21:54:47
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:09 am

    Yeah, as a taxi driver, you'd get to know all sorts of people, and you can't stereotype anyone. My own contact with the trans community is via the gay community (of which I am a part - and have a place in online

    Ok that explains allot, you yourself are a deviant, thats why you're so hell bent on sharing bathrooms you don't belong in.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 15:52:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    okay now you gotta tell us more.
    *rubs hands*

    LOL this guy had a fetish for cuttong the back out of kids clothes, especially while they were being worn. Never seen anything like that since (i.e. in the last 45 or so years). He attacked me in the middle of the night in my bed. Police investigated, took lots of fingerprints, but never found him.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 15:54:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i didnt ask you if it was. i was just stating what i heard.

    No probs. I know there's quite a bit of useful traffic in the IPv6 echo, currently discussing strategies for dealing with Fido BBSs that have only IPv6 access inbound (i.e. on DS-Lite), and the options for them to talk to the rest of the network.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:00:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Not all of us have that option. Only those who run 3.17 AND log into the BBS (i.e. not offline readers).

    True, forgor about that..

    Yeah, still running 3.16c here, and besides I always use offline mail.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:01:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I was too, but in my case, it was a really unusual weird intruder, not the more common person known to the victim. No grooming, just someone with a really weird fetish.

    Same here..

    A lot of that sort of stuff is either largely forgotten (except by us who lived through it), and/or unreported. I think mine got a small piece in the local paper.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:16:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-

    Just as being Gay is not a genetic predisposition, it is a perversion..

    And what do you base that on?

    at least 1500 species on this Earth practise some form of homosexual behaviour, only _one_ (guess which one!) practices homophobia. Which is the more unnatural?

    either BY choice or BY being molested or raped as a child and your developing brain cannot cope with whats happening, so ot wires itself
    to make you thinkg it is something normal. along with the "coaxing",
    and "grooming" of the sick minde fu*C doing this to you.

    The evidence I've seen doesn't support this, neither does my time spent with many adult victims of child abuse, manny of whom I met during my time in a 12 step group. I also have the advantage of extremely detailed memories, which I had to use when coming out, to sort out the truth, as for 10 years, I had built an elaborate self deception.

    Or put another way - I "chose" to be straight, it just didn't work out LOL.

    our sexual organs have evolved for ONE reason only, to REPRODUCE. our brains release endorphines to make us enjoy the act of reproduction so
    we will be successful in that act. any manipulation to create these endorphines in any other way than ROD (A) going into slot (B) is a perversion of NATURE. and if you noticed none of this explanation had ANYTHING to do with religion.

    Still very simplistic, and sex is not just about reproduction in humans (or at least a few other species). Nature (of which we are a part) is a lot more complex than that. Who knows what the natural extent of human sexuality is, moralists have been trying to control it for milennia.

    What happens when you stick two POSITIVE poles of two AA batteries together and try to power something? well??... It just does'nt work.. I

    Batteries in parallel, you get more current. :P

    Until then.. People.. Please quit trying to change science and nature..

    Well, science is showing the picture to be far more complex than anyone ever imagined, the nuclear family is an artificial construct that is relatively recent, and I am reminded of the saying "It takes a village to raise a child".

    even through all of this, I still do not judge someone for being Gay. I know a lot of GOOD Gay people, and even they admit that their issue is
    a PERVERSION, and not some genetic predisposition. One of these Gay

    Well, I don't agree, almost no one will say that.

    friends even went back to being straight after he quit doing drugs and
    got married and now has two children.. You come out and tell him he was born with a GAY GENE.

    Yeah, that's not unknown, and the opposite has been known to happen too, including married couples where both partners later got a same sex partner of their own, after having kids. Some people are simply sexually fluid over time, not with a fixed orientation.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:19:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-

    This, I most definatly agree with.. The whole freeking bathroom issue
    was only a smokescreen covering something bigger.. WHY are we still bickering about this?

    Armed forced are a big problem area here too, there have been some inquiries into the problem. As I said recently, universities are also in the spotlight. I for one am against any form of sexual assault, more needs to be done, and it starts at home. Kids need to learn to teach people with respect, especially women.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 19:44:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Ok that explains allot, you yourself are a deviant, thats why you're so hell bent on sharing bathrooms you don't belong in.

    And you're so high and mighty, I don't give a fuck about bathrooms, I am not the one who's insecure in their masculinity or sexuality. :P


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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 06:45:06
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 21:35:39

    I also am in touch and know a LOT about the trangender community around here and also the Gay community and have a LOT of Gay friends. and bein
    g a
    TAXI driver you are immersed in ALL of these cultures and learn a lot about them.. I know a FEW trangendered people who would beat the living shit out of a sexual predator.

    So you went from being a Janitor to being a Taxi driver?
    way to move ahead in life.

    I'm still a software developer after 10 years of being one, wouldn't you say I haven't moved ahead in life?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:24:03
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 21:35:39

    So you went from being a Janitor to being a Taxi driver?
    way to move ahead in life.

    I've worked many jobs, what business is it of your what I've done in life? I wok enough to keep my bills paid and the rest of te time I spend with my family and enjot life. what do you do for a living? draw welfare?

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:27:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 21:43:47

    People that know alot of Gay transgeder lesbian probably are gay, other wise how would the know so many? they must travel in the same circles.

    not necessarily.. but people who are dickheads usually only run with other dickheads because thats the only people who will tolerate them.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:32:05
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 16:00:00

    Not all of us have that option. Only those who run 3.17 AND log into
    the BBS (i.e. not offline readers).

    True, forgor about that..

    Yeah, still running 3.16c here, and besides I always use offline mail.


    as MRO pointed out, it never really would be a viable option anyway.

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 10:21:56
    Quoting KK4QBN to Leregard <=-

    being Gay. I know a lot of GOOD Gay people, and even they admit that

    I'm all for the new gay movement. Why? Quite simply humans have fucked everything up, let everyone be a snow flake, and be different and please be homosexual so we stop having kids. Too many people on the planet anyway.

    Shawn
    P.S. You are not fucking snowflakes. You are all a bunch of fucking idiots. more terms about your sexuality then there needs to be, how about you fuck whatever you want and leave the rest of us alone? I don't care if you fuck
    a coconut, just don't tell me about it.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:20:31
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 16:16:00

    Just as being Gay is not a genetic predisposition, it is a
    perversion..

    And what do you base that on?

    at least 1500 species on this Earth practise some form of homosexual behaviour, only _one_ (guess which one!) practices homophobia. Which is the more unnatural?

    I would presume animals would enjoy the endorphines released by the act alsoand some, just as humanswould us any chance to get that feeling.


    but one is not born gay, *most* people don't even think about sex until puberty or after, unless it is forced upon you. and yes, a lot of humans are VERY homophobic, I'm not one of them. just because I state the truth does'nt make me homophobic. our reprductiv organs are there simply for reproduction, the "Good feeling" it gives us, makes us want to do it. someone who masturbates, or uses another man, or other means to get that "good feeling" is just acting on a perversion. I'm sorry if it sounds too cruel to you, but it is true. How can a persone be "born" gay when it takes them a full 12-14 years to gain the ability to even have sex. Being gay is a trait or a though process that is aquired.

    In my eyes, that does'nt make it bad, the world is already too over populated as it is, and if a man truly loves another man, so be it.. and I believe one mans can truly love another, but it does'nt make it natural. or we would all be born as hermaphrodites.

    in a 12 step group. I also have the advantage of extremely detailed memories, which I had to use when coming out, to sort out the truth, as for 10 years, I had built an elaborate self deception.

    Or put another way - I "chose" to be straight, it just didn't work out LOL.

    So at age to you feel like you knew for sure you were gay?

    and just because I say it is a perversion does'nt mean that I am against it or think it is necessarily wrong, perversion is another one of those words that have taken on a bad meaning.

    "the alteration of something from its original course, meaning"

    Still very simplistic, and sex is not just about reproduction in humans (or at least a few other species). Nature (of which we are a part) is a lot more complex than that. Who knows what the natural extent of human sexuality is, moralists have been trying to control it for milennia.

    Sex is one of the most simplistic things on the face of the earth.. any idiot can do it. if it is not just about reproduction in humans than what is it about? The joy you feel from it? well that is also a perversion.. regardless of whether it is heterosexual or homosexual.. Our reproductive organs are called that for a reason, and one reason only.

    The natural extent of human sexuality? stick rod A into slot B and nine months later, if there are no issues, a baby comes along. It's not really that complex.

    Both men and women put off pheromones that attract one another, but I don't what would attract same sex couples, unless one truly loved another, maybe you find other men beatiful or maybe women just repulse you. I don't know. I myself find most women in this area either just to skanky, or untrustworthy, not fit to be a mother. so until the right one comes along, I choose to stay alone.

    Gay. I know a lot of GOOD Gay people, and even they admit that their
    issue is a PERVERSION, and not some genetic predisposition. One of

    Well, I don't agree, almost no one will say that.

    Yet they did.. hmm..

    Yeah, that's not unknown, and the opposite has been known to happen too, including married couples where both partners later got a same sex partner of their own, after having kids. Some people are simply sexually fluid over time, not with a fixed orientation.

    Agreed.

    But I'm just saying.. If being gay was genetic.. more than 1 person in my VERY VERY large family would be gay. Our family/extended family as a whole is a very supportive family too, so I would'nt think anyone would still be in the closet.

    I really just don't see how one could be born gay, or straight for that matter.. sexual desire is something we grow into.

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to jagossel on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:28:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Roadhog on Wed Aug 09 2017 06:45:06

    So you went from being a Janitor to being a Taxi driver?
    way to move ahead in life.

    I'm still a software developer after 10 years of being one, wouldn't you say I haven't moved ahead in life?

    I've worked many jobs in my lifetime, and still have plenty of time to work other fields, I value my time over a career, because time with my family I will never get back, becaue they all are growing up and growing older. jobs ANYONE work is really no on elses business.. the guy if you want to call him that is just being a troll.. who obviously has nothing better in life to do than to "try" to poke fun at people.. hopefully he is not such a dimwith that it takes him forever to figure out that I really don't care, and that statements like that really don't phase me.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 07:38:32
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:24 pm

    in a pool, or water park and smell chlorine REAL stron, does'nt mean
    they have too much chlorine in the water, it means the chlorine is
    working overtime to clean all the biological waste and fecal matter
    out of the


    If you smell chlorine _at all_ ,it means there's piss in the water.

    Thats why I would never go to a public pool.
    and what are those brown floaters in the pool that look like Baby Ruth bars? JK

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  • From Leregard@VERT to jagossel on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:03:11
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 04:14 pm

    Nobody is blaming it on the LGBT community, and no one is going to make an

    That simply isn't true. To be fair though, it wasn't YOU... so... ok.

    There's no "reply all", so responding to a whole thread at once doesn't always come out quite right.

    If anything, I'm furious with right wing talk radio, not you. They're the hypocrites in this situation and too many people are just caugt in the echo chamber. The term "straw man" is overused, I think, but this is classic. Of course we all agree, who is pro-rape? No one is pro-rape. There is no news network so committed to being fair and balanced that they want to give equal time to pro-rape and anti-rape points of view.

    And I'm not blaming YOU, not even trying to, but it's not a coincidence that sexual assault on college campuses is business as usual but bathroom laws are talk radio bullet points.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:15:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to jagossel on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:02 am

    OK, can't argue what solid first hand evidence like that, but creeps are gonna be creeps regardless. Better policing needed, perhaps?

    I'm not sure that's true. I mean... maybe it's true, but I don't WANT it to be true. Why are creeps creeps? Hormones? Brain function? Lack of willpower? Original sin? I don't know.

    Sorry, you lost my support using "lifestyle" in this context, that is offensive to many. And while your wife's experience has demonstrated there

    That's what I've been saying... there are clearly TWO issues, and it's clear, like REALLY clear from context which one he's really mad about it. No?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:29:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:21 pm

    Um... If I'm born with a Penis, I'm supposed to have a penise.. no amount of private, or mainstream brainwashing will change that fact.

    Hypothetically speaking, if your penis was cut off, what would you be then?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:31:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:21 pm

    Until then.. People.. Please quit trying to change science and nature.. even through all of this, I still do not judge someone for being Gay. I know a

    You've somehow interchanged brain science with penis science in a way I'm not sure is logically rigorous.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:37:27
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:41 pm

    and to tell you the truth, Id be willing to bet a transgender person really could give to craps where they use the restroom. but that Pedophile is happy that store are openong restrooms up to any gender.. If they would just create restrooms like I have diagramed earlier, everyone would be happy.. except sexual predators.

    I don't research this for a living, so I don't have statistics ready to hand... if I'm wrong about this, I'll admit it, but my understanding is that if I made a pie chart of all sexual harassment and other sex crimes (which we can all agree are DEFINITELY CRIMES, and definitely a bad thing) still, the little sliver of the pie that would show the percentage of sexual harassment and other sex crimes that occur in public restrooms by people pretending to be transgender would not even be visible on the chart. I realize that EVEN ONE TIME is too many, but imagine you're the police... is that where you'd concentrate your resources?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:42:21
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:43 pm

    u gay

    People that know alot of Gay transgeder lesbian probably are gay, other wise how would the know so many? they must travel in the same circles.

    It goes without saying that I disagree, but I want to thank you for at least being explicit about your homophobia instead of coming up with over reasons.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:04:47
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Aug 09 2017 03:52 pm

    LOL this guy had a fetish for cuttong the back out of kids clothes,

    Why is that funny? that is a really sick person that should be killed.

    especially while they were being worn. Never seen anything like that since (i.e. in the last 45 or so years). He attacked me in the middle of the night in my bed. Police investigated, took lots of fingerprints, but never found him.

    Unfortunatly many police agencies are full of incompetent doughnut eating individuales that could care less about their jobs.
    there are a few that are there for the right reason's but they can't compensate for the lazy jerks that are just there to draw a paycheck.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:22:10
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Roadhog on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:24 am

    So you went from being a Janitor to being a Taxi driver?
    way to move ahead in life.

    I've worked many jobs, what business is it of your what I've done in life? I wok enough to keep my bills paid and the rest of te time I spend with my family and enjot life. what do you do for a living? draw welfare?

    It's not my buisness, just curious because your posts refrence things like being a janitor taxi driver pizza delivery driver etc... sorry that post of mine about your employment was uncalled for and I appologize.
    Me, I repaired and maintained medical equipment for about 3 decades, now I work in the automotive industry.
    and I have never drawn welfare:)

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:34:41
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to jagossel on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:28 am

    older. jobs ANYONE work is really no on elses business.. the guy if you want to call him that is just being a troll.. who obviously has nothing better in life to do than to "try" to poke fun at people.. hopefully he is not such a dimwith that it takes him forever to figure out that I really

    now thats a little Hypocritical of you maybe you should go back and read some of your post's to me and post's to Mro.
    if I'm a troll that makes you a troll as well Hypocrite.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Tiny on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:56:20
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Tiny to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:21 am

    I'm all for the new gay movement. Why? Quite simply humans have fucked everything up, let everyone be a snow flake, and be different and please be homosexual so we stop having kids. Too many people on the planet anyway.

    Shawn
    P.S. You are not fucking snowflakes. You are all a bunch of fucking idiots. more terms about your sexuality then there needs to be, how about you fuck whatever you want and leave the rest of us alone? I don't care if you fuck

    Well this is a novelty. I've never seen someone try a pro-gay anti-snowflake rant before.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Tiny on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 08:58:43
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Tiny on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:56 am

    Well this is a novelty. I've never seen someone try a pro-gay anti-snowflake rant before.

    To anyone:

    When did the term "snowflake" happen? Did this start with the 2016 elections, entirely in the US, or did I imagine it? Who started this? This is RECENT, isn't it?

    What does it even mean? Human bodies are sacks of meat that explode like grapes if you just kind of push on them hard enough... so...

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:11:47
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:20 am

    I would presume animals would enjoy the endorphines released by the act alsoand some, just as humanswould us any chance to get that feeling.

    but one is not born gay, *most* people don't even think about sex until puberty or after, unless it is forced upon you. and yes, a lot of humans are VERY homophobic, I'm not one of them. just because I state the truth does'nt make me homophobic. our reprductiv organs are there simply for reproduction, the "Good feeling" it gives us, makes us want to do it. someone who

    I don't know about 1500 species of animals, but I know about dogs. My dog will hump a table leg if it wants to. I don't know why.

    Dogs also hump new dogs as a kind of pecking order dominance/submission thing. That is a fact about dogs.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:15:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:04 am

    Unfortunatly many police agencies are full of incompetent doughnut eating individuales that could care less about their jobs.
    there are a few that are there for the right reason's but they can't compensate for the lazy jerks that are just there to draw a paycheck.

    I think it's weird that you're so full of hate, you even hate the police.

    May I ask who is ok with you? Like, steel workers? Or what?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:18:18
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:15 am


    I think it's weird that you're so full of hate, you even hate the police.

    May I ask who is ok with you? Like, steel workers? Or what?

    I would challenge you to come up with THREE, only THREE, *types of people* who you don't think are confused lazy idiots.

    This is a trick question.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:20:50
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 04:26 pm

    Hence the idea of having a hallway with about 10 rooms in it that all include locking doors and have nothing but a toilet in them.. the hallway itself will have a CCD camera in it and about 4-5 sinks with dryers, etc.. and one of the bathrooms in the hallway would be a bit larger for disabled people and also be a "Family" bathroom.

    ...or we could raise children to not be rapists. That might also make a dent.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:23:49
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:28 pm

    okay now you gotta tell us more.
    *rubs hands*

    I'll give the game away, this was all calculated just to see if you'd win the Troll Olympics by claiming liberal snowflakes are too sensitive about one in four women being raped in their lifetimes, and the statistics about men and children being lower but just as disgusting.

    Go ahead then.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:30:26
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:31 am

    You've somehow interchanged brain science with penis science in a way I'm not sure is logically rigorous.

    Biologically speaking, in terms of embryonic development, a penis is actually a giant clitoris you can pee out of. They don't even begin to differentiate until after the first trimester. I googled it just now, just be to make sure. "At about 12 weeks" they start to be noticably different. Compare this to how the BRAIN develops and you have recipe for all sorts of things.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:33:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:34 am

    now thats a little Hypocritical of you maybe you should go back and read some of your post's to me and post's to Mro.
    if I'm a troll that makes you a troll as well Hypocrite.

    "... It's not if you win or lose, but how you place the blame."

    I would LOVE to see a long thread where we work out definitively what a troll is, and why someone would be one, and if you could be one without knowing it, etc., etc., or whether it's even a bad thing to be.

    Let's do it. Let's do TROLL SCIENCE, right now.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:45:15
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:20 am

    ...or we could raise children to not be rapists. That might also make a dent.

    Oh... right, right... how silly of me. We can't do that. It might be politically correct.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:48:35
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:20 am

    but one is not born gay, *most* people don't even think about sex until puberty or after, unless it is forced upon you.

    But at that time, people have a tendency to be attracted to one gender or the other (or both in some cases). Since most people are straight, I tend to believe it's because there's a biological reason for that and it's how people are born. So it seems to me that no matter what someone's attraction is, it's how they're born. It's unfortunate that there are cases of young people being abused, but there are many cases where someone who isn't abused will be gay. I doubt it's any more of a choice than a straight person being straight out of choice..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 09:52:24
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Tiny on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:58 am

    To anyone:

    When did the term "snowflake" happen? Did this start with the 2016 elections, entirely in the US, or did I imagine it? Who started this? This is RECENT, isn't it?

    What does it even mean? Human bodies are sacks of meat that explode like grapes if you just kind of push on them hard enough... so...

    I've been wondering the same thing.. I don't know where the term came from, but I've assumed it's a reference in pop culture that I missed. Perhaps from a TV show? Or something else? I don't know.. But I suppose the term "snowflake" means someone who reacts badly or is triggered (or "melts") easily by various things.

    Nightfox

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 12:10:15
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Leregard on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:52 am

    I've been wondering the same thing.. I don't know where the term came from, but I've assumed it's a reference in pop culture that I missed. Perhaps from a TV show? Or something else? I don't know.. But I suppose the term "snowflake" means someone who reacts badly or is triggered (or "melts") easily by various things.

    Supposedly if you look at snowflakes under a microscope they're all SPECIAL and UNIQUE and INDIVIDUAL...

    ...I think it's similar to a Chinese proverb that goes something like: "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down". So it basically means "fuck you for being different". Or do I have that all wrong?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:35:14
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:43 pm

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 06:04 pm

    I'm actually wondering what planet you're from. I actually have
    significant contact with the transgender community here.


    u gay

    People that know alot of Gay transgeder lesbian probably are gay, other wise how would the know so many? they must travel in the same circles.

    as grandma sez. takes one to know one!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:38:02
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Wed Aug 09 2017 12:22 am

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 22:28:29

    regardless, only guy i've seen that warranted blocking is that chinaman guy. regarding myself, these guys talking about banning me dont even know what the conversation thread was about. they were just trying to stir up shit. i twitlisted THEM.

    dude.. I remember that prick.. he makes your antics look like childsplay.

    he has a youtube video of himself talking to himself as a caller on the radio. he is still talking about smole and other people on websites he messes with. it's scarey and pathetic. it's fucking lunacy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpmKQcqDk7I
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Darkwing on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 14:49:30
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Darkwing to Digital Man on Sun Aug 06 2017 11:35 pm

    Re: Flame wars
    By: Digital Man to Pparker on Sat Aug 05 2017 01:59 pm

    Each DOVE-Net sysop holds the power to ban/filter whomever they wish. Just add "mro" to your ctrl/twitlist.cfg file and call it a day.

    Does twitlist.cfg block both messages to and from, or just from?

    To and From.

    digital man

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  • From spacesst@VERT/SPACESST to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 16:26:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:45:45


    Ok, look. People get raped all the time. Rape is ALREADY ILLEGAL, and nothing is stopping perverts from just WALKING INTO any bathroom they want. They're public bathrooms and the door is usually unlocked, right?

    why Not defend Themself , USa Guns are legal ?
    Why not Crry them to defend yourself




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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Tiny on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 18:55:28
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Tiny to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:21:56

    Shawn
    P.S. You are not fucking snowflakes. You are all a bunch of fucking idiots. more terms about your sexuality then there needs to be, how about you fuck whatever you want and leave the rest of us alone? I don't care if you fuck a coconut, just don't tell me about it.

    Who is shawn and what are you even talking about..? do you even know? just like any other TRUMP clown, all you know is running that fat jaw.. it really does'nt matter what comes out of it, as long as you can hear yourself blabber on..

    sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me..


    you fit right in with all the other trump fools..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 19:00:35
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to jagossel on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:03:11

    That simply isn't true. To be fair though, it wasn't YOU... so... ok.

    There's no "reply all", so responding to a whole thread at once doesn't always come out quite right.

    You can change the reply to All.. it's quite simple..

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  • From KK4QBN@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 19:10:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:29:25

    Um... If I'm born with a Penis, I'm supposed to have a penise.. no
    amount of private, or mainstream brainwashing will change that fact.

    Hypothetically speaking, if your penis was cut off, what would you be then?

    A Male that used to have a Penis, but no longer does because it was cut off.. that still does'nt change the fact that I am a MALE.. as a matter of fact, a tiny bit of my penis was cut off when I was a baby and was circumsized..

    some say "oh thats just your foreskin" well.. no.. in my mind, that was part of my penis and I was too young to say "Uh no" that my ding dong you're cutting there.. If I could I would sue the shit out of the hospital and I hate to say, my parents too.. If I was supposed to be born without that peice of my manhood I would have been.. Yeah, it might be easier to clean, etc.. but now it takes too long to do my "business" that part is'nt just fatty tissues, etc.. there are nerve endings there that serve a purpose..

    boy it would suck if that happened.. but I guess I would just get a "Strap On" prostetic and try to live my life the best I coulds.. I sure would'nt change my name to Kaitlyn..

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 18:03:16
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Wed Aug 09 2017 12:24 am

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Tue Aug 08 2017 22:28:58

    okay now you gotta tell us more.
    *rubs hands*

    Karma is a Bitch, wait till you end up in PRISON for doing something stupid and get yours as an adult..


    no, i'm never going to go to prison because i dont break the law.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 18:05:30
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Aug 09 2017 03:52 pm

    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    okay now you gotta tell us more.
    *rubs hands*

    LOL this guy had a fetish for cuttong the back out of kids clothes, especially while they were being worn. Never seen anything like that since (i.e. in the last 45 or so years). He attacked me in the middle of the night in my bed. Police investigated, took lots of fingerprints, but never found him.


    okay that was weird but atleast he didnt cut off your skin and wear it.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 18:13:07
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:32 am

    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 16:00:00

    Not all of us have that option. Only those who run 3.17 AND log into
    the BBS (i.e. not offline readers).

    True, forgor about that..

    Yeah, still running 3.16c here, and besides I always use offline mail.


    as MRO pointed out, it never really would be a viable option anyway.



    people who use an offline reader can use one that supports a twitfilter. that's where twitfilters all started.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 18:13:44
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Tiny to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:21 am

    being Gay. I know a lot of GOOD Gay people, and even they admit that

    I'm all for the new gay movement. Why? Quite simply humans have fucked everything up, let everyone be a snow flake, and be different and please be homosexual so we stop having kids. Too many people on the planet anyway.

    Shawn
    P.S. You are not fucking snowflakes. You are all a bunch of fucking idiots. more terms about your sexuality then there needs to be, how about you fuck whatever you want and leave the rest of us alone? I don't care if you fuck a coconut, just don't tell me about it.


    i self identify as a black jewish woman.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to spacesst on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 15:56:56
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: spacesst to Leregard on Wed Aug 09 2017 04:26 pm

    why Not defend Themself , USa Guns are legal ?
    Why not Crry them to defend yourself

    In order to carry guns around, US citizens need to take a class and get a license for that. Not everyone has done that (I'm not sure if even many people have done that).

    I've often thought that if violence is high enough that everyone needs to carry a gun around to defend themselves, that seems a little extreme, and seems like it would be a sign that something is seriously wrong..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Thursday, August 10, 2017 07:25:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    as MRO pointed out, it never really would be a viable option anyway.

    Yep, he had some pretty good arguments against the global twitlist idea.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:08:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm not sure that's true. I mean... maybe it's true, but I don't WANT
    it to be true. Why are creeps creeps? Hormones? Brain function?
    Lack of willpower? Original sin? I don't know.

    Dunno, but they are forcing themselves on others and causing harm.

    Sorry, you lost my support using "lifestyle" in this context, that is offensive to many. And while your wife's experience has demonstrated there

    That's what I've been saying... there are clearly TWO issues, and it's clear, like REALLY clear from context which one he's really mad about
    it. No?

    LOL indeed. A lot of interconnected issues do tend to get conflated, which muddies the waters.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:10:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    LOL this guy had a fetish for cuttong the back out of kids clothes,

    Why is that funny? that is a really sick person that should be killed.

    He was sick, the LOL was at how the OP put it to me. I can see humour in bad things too - perhaps I have a gallows sense of humour, since it was _me_ that was the victim here.

    Unfortunatly many police agencies are full of incompetent doughnut
    eating individuales that could care less about their jobs.
    there are a few that are there for the right reason's but they can't compensate for the lazy jerks that are just there to draw a paycheck.

    This was a country police station, and a number of the cops were friends of the family, so I'm sure they had more interest in catching the guy than simply "duty".


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:23:00
    Roadhog wrote to Mro <=-

    Thats why I would never go to a public pool.
    and what are those brown floaters in the pool that look like Baby Ruth bars? JK

    As the local pool managers put it one day, "The intermediate pool is closed due to a Code Brown". :) Was pretty obvious what they meant. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:24:00
    Leregard wrote to jagossel <=-

    And I'm not blaming YOU, not even trying to, but it's not a coincidence that sexual assault on college campuses is business as usual but
    bathroom laws are talk radio bullet points.

    As was shown in the study of Australian universities - the rate of on campus sexual assault is totally unacceptable.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Thursday, August 10, 2017 08:28:00
    Leregard wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    ...or we could raise children to not be rapists. That might also make

    Funny that. That's what the "White Ribbon" anti violence campaign her is trying to encorage - start with the kids, raise them to be respectful of others, especially women.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, August 10, 2017 09:15:00
    Nightfox wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    where someone who isn't abused will be gay. I doubt it's any more of a choice than a straight person being straight out of choice..

    Straw poll: When did you choose to be straight? ;)

    I can say I chose to be straight in my early teens.... That failed totally within 10 years. :)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:40:57
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to spacesst on Wed Aug 09 2017 03:56 pm

    why Not defend Themself , USa Guns are legal ?
    Why not Crry them to defend yourself

    In order to carry guns around, US citizens need to take a class and get a license for that. Not everyone has done that (I'm not sure if even many


    not in all areas. usually it's a license for conseal carry.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:53:40
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Tiny on Wed Aug 09 2017 06:55 pm

    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Tiny to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:21:56

    Shawn
    P.S. You are not fucking snowflakes. You are all a bunch of fucking idiots. more terms about your sexuality then there needs to be, how about you fuck whatever you want and leave the rest of us alone? I don't care if you fuck a coconut, just don't tell me about it.

    Who is shawn and what are you even talking about..? do you even know? just like any other TRUMP clown, all you know is running that fat jaw.. it really does'nt matter what comes out of it, as long as you can hear yourself blabber on..


    trump is the best president in your lifetime. he destroyed everyone in his path and became president of the united states. and he cant be bought.

    we're lucky hillary didnt win.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:54:05
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 10 2017 07:25 am

    KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    as MRO pointed out, it never really would be a viable option anyway.

    Yep, he had some pretty good arguments against the global twitlist idea.


    plus only a bitch pussy would use one.
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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 21:49:04
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Roadhog on Tue Aug 08 2017 01:28 pm

    What tabloid media are you hooked into? You _really_ believe this
    Oh must be the radio waves from your Ham gear that is eating your
    brains.

    Why ha smy name come up in this, Or VK3JED? how have we lost reality and

    Sorry, I think I ment to say Leregard my bad.

    BTW - Radiowaves have no effect on my brain because I wear a tinfoil hat..

    Good come back.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 21:57:17
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Tiny on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:58 am

    To anyone:

    When did the term "snowflake" happen? Did this start with the 2016 elections, entirely in the US, or did I imagine it? Who started this? This is RECENT, isn't it?


    This was was a phrase coined by the John and Ken show on 640 KFI when some of the colledges made safe spaces for the students, the safe spaces included things like coloring books and play dough they could play with.
    then Sean Hannity picked up on the term then Rush Limbaugh.
    and yes it started right after Trump won the election.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:01:44
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:53 pm

    trump is the best president in your lifetime. he destroyed everyone in his path and became president of the united states. and he cant be bought.

    we're lucky hillary didnt win.

    Amen

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to kk4qbn on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:08:10
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:45 am

    ...or we could raise children to not be rapists. That might also make
    a dent.

    We could just execute all rapists.
    that would stop them from rapeing and deter others from rapeing.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:15:56
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Tiny on Wed Aug 09 2017 06:55 pm

    you fit right in with all the other trump fools..


    Just because some idiot say's we are Trump fools dosen't mean we are.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 22:35:27
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 08:34 am



    I would LOVE to see a long thread where we work out definitively what a troll is, and why someone would be one, and if you could be one without knowing it, etc., etc., or whether it's even a bad thing to be.


    It would probably show that most of us are trolls to some degree.

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  • From Tiny@VERT/PHARCYDE to KK4QBN on Thursday, August 10, 2017 06:02:14
    Hello KK4QBN!

    09 Aug 17 18:55, you wrote to me:

    sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me..
    you fit right in with all the other trump fools..

    Yes I voted for trump even though I don't live if your
    shitty country. FUCK OFF

    Shawn
    P.S. for the record I'm not a replican. You're just a
    tool who can't read.

    P.P.S. I need to say it twice. FUCK OFF.\


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:13:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    okay that was weird but atleast he didnt cut off your skin and wear it.

    True, I did say he had a weird fetish.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:43:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    plus only a bitch pussy would use one.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to KK4QBN on Thursday, August 10, 2017 21:18:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Leregard <=-

    some say "oh thats just your foreskin" well.. no.. in my mind, that was part of my penis and I was too young to say "Uh no" that my ding dong you're cutting there.. If I could I would sue the shit out of the
    hospital and I hate to say, my parents too.. If I was supposed to be

    Yeah, I never got any say in the matter either, and if I had the choice, I wouldn't have got it done either.

    boy it would suck if that happened.. but I guess I would just get a
    "Strap On" prostetic and try to live my life the best I coulds.. I sure would'nt change my name to Kaitlyn..

    Yeah losing the lot would totally suck, but same here, it wouldn't cause a gender change. I am definitely male.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, August 10, 2017 21:19:00
    Mro wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    people who use an offline reader can use one that supports a
    twitfilter. that's where twitfilters all started.
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    Yeah, I just never bother to use them.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Thursday, August 10, 2017 07:36:59
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:57 pm

    To anyone:

    When did the term "snowflake" happen? Did this start with the 2016 http://kfiam640.iheart.com/onair/john-and-ken-37487/first-official-john-and-ken -snowflakes-15148761/

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  • From Leregard@VERT to KK4QBN on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:05:49
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Wed Aug 09 2017 07:10 pm

    A Male that used to have a Penis, but no longer does because it was cut off.. that still does'nt change the fact that I am a MALE.. as a matter of fact, a tiny bit of my penis was cut off when I was a baby and was

    Ok. It's a good start. So we cut your penis off THEN give you a course of hormone treatments and some voice lessons...... then.....

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:07:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to spacesst on Wed Aug 09 2017 03:56 pm

    I've often thought that if violence is high enough that everyone needs to carry a gun around to defend themselves, that seems a little extreme, and seems like it would be a sign that something is seriously wrong..

    Nightfox

    We should teach knife fighting in public school gym classes. This is not a joke. I don't see it happening, but... it's a good idea.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:09:19
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Thu Aug 10 2017 08:08 am

    Dunno, but they are forcing themselves on others and causing harm.


    No disagreement. But... apparently "chemical castration" works. On the other hand.... do you know the Alan Turing story? It gets weird really quick.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:12:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Thu Aug 10 2017 08:24 am

    As was shown in the study of Australian universities - the rate of on campus sexual assault is totally unacceptable.

    In the US this would be informally considered a "liberal" issue. You would have to read a "liberal" newspaper to hear anything about it.

    It's heavily associated with feminist activism and "political correctness", and our "conservatives" won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:13:28
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Thu Aug 10 2017 08:28 am

    Funny that. That's what the "White Ribbon" anti violence campaign her is trying to encorage - start with the kids, raise them to be respectful of others, especially women.

    We have the same thing, but the ribbon is a different color. :)

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:25:50
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Aug 10 2017 09:15 am

    Straw poll: When did you choose to be straight? ;)

    I can say I chose to be straight in my early teens.... That failed totally within 10 years. :)

    My earliest memory of being straight is finding my father's old Playboy Magazines, and yes, they gave me an erection. At the time, I do not believe I KNEW I was straight. I just had a biological reaction to naked women. This definitely happened. Maybe if I had some gay porn around I'd have discovered that instead... I don't know. I genuinely don't know how these things work. I don't get, psychologically, or visually, or cognitively why PICTURES are exciting. I'd deny it if I didn't know better.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:28:42
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mro on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:01 pm

    trump is the best president in your lifetime. he destroyed everyone in his path and became president of the united states. and he cant be bought.

    we're lucky hillary didnt win.

    Amen

    I'm looking forward to 3 years from now when he has to run against SOMEONE OTHER THAN HILARY, and everyone pivots all at once, and we can stop talking about her emails.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:29:22
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to kk4qbn on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:08 pm

    We could just execute all rapists.
    that would stop them from rapeing and deter others from rapeing.

    Ah... yes. Except that women lie.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:37:07
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 10 2017 11:12 am

    It's heavily associated with feminist activism and "political correctness", and our "conservatives" won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

    If they do, it's usually to whine about "snowflakes" and talk about guns. You may have noticed.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:42:47
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 10 2017 11:37 am

    It's heavily associated with feminist activism and "political correctness", and our "conservatives" won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

    If they do, it's usually to whine about "snowflakes" and talk about guns. You may have noticed.


    So this plays out a lot:

    Feminist: YOU'RE DEFENDING RAPE CULTURE!

    Conservative: You're a whiney snowflake! I'm defending FREEDOM!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Leregard on Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:28:05
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Nightfox on Thu Aug 10 2017 11:07 am

    I've often thought that if violence is high enough that everyone needs
    to carry a gun around to defend themselves, that seems a little
    extreme, and seems like it would be a sign that something is seriously
    wrong..

    We should teach knife fighting in public school gym classes. This is not a joke. I don't see it happening, but... it's a good idea.

    Martial arts might be better. IMO it would be good to be able to defend oneself when needed without having to carry an extra object such as a knife, gun, etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Leregard on Thursday, August 10, 2017 16:28:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Thu Aug 10 2017 11:29:22

    We could just execute all rapists.
    that would stop them from rapeing and deter others from rapeing.

    Ah... yes. Except that women lie.

    The thing is that some of those who had been raped will not speak up and make the accusation to even get the process started of procescuting the smuck; and some that do, is just to using it as a ploy of some sort.

    To stress the point: SOME not ALL. It's NOT ALWAYS the case, and there are exceptions.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 06:44:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    No disagreement. But... apparently "chemical castration" works. On
    the other hand.... do you know the Alan Turing story? It gets weird really quick.

    Yes, but he wasn't a sex predator.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 06:46:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    As was shown in the study of Australian universities - the rate of on campus sexual assault is totally unacceptable.

    In the US this would be informally considered a "liberal" issue. You would have to read a "liberal" newspaper to hear anything about it.

    Here, it was a sexual assault issue, and widely reported.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 06:47:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Funny that. That's what the "White Ribbon" anti violence campaign her is trying to encorage - start with the kids, raise them to be respectful of others, especially women.

    We have the same thing, but the ribbon is a different color. :)

    What colour? Pink? (that's breast cancer awareness here).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 06:56:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My earliest memory of being straight is finding my father's old Playboy Magazines, and yes, they gave me an erection. At the time, I do not

    I think most started on Playboy. I saw plenty at school, someone always managed to smuggle some in. Some kids even managed to get their hands on more raunchy magazines. I joined in looking, but part of me wondered what all the fuss was about, it was more like admiring an art collection for me, pleasing from an asthetic point of view (since they chose good looking models), but nothing to get particularly turned on about.

    And in case you're wondering, I didn't see any gay porn until I started BBSing in my 20s, after leaving home.

    believe I KNEW I was straight. I just had a biological reaction to
    naked women. This definitely happened. Maybe if I had some gay porn

    I believe that's what most (straight) people would say too. Makes sense. It's a bit different when reality and society's expectations don't line up. I had plenty of "WTF? This doesn't make sense!" moments throughout my teens.

    around I'd have discovered that instead... I don't know. I genuinely

    No, my gues it it just wouldn't have interested you. :)

    don't know how these things work. I don't get, psychologically, or visually, or cognitively why PICTURES are exciting. I'd deny it if I didn't know better.

    Men are very visual creatures, even if we disagree on exactly what pictures are a turn on! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 06:57:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's heavily associated with feminist activism and "political correctness", and our "conservatives" won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

    If they do, it's usually to whine about "snowflakes" and talk about
    guns. You may have noticed.

    Yeah, quite different to the serious treatment that it got here, universally dubbed "unacceptable", because sexual assault is sexual assault, regardless of setting.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 06:58:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    So this plays out a lot:

    Feminist: YOU'RE DEFENDING RAPE CULTURE!

    Conservative: You're a whiney snowflake! I'm defending FREEDOM!

    That's not even remotely like how it went down here. The conclusion was "Something must be done to fix this".


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 07:04:00
    Leregard wrote to KK4QBN <=-

    Ok. It's a good start. So we cut your penis off THEN give you a
    course of hormone treatments and some voice lessons...... then.....

    You have a male victim of a string of crimes, but not a female, since he still wouldn't identify as female. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 07:05:00
    Leregard wrote to Nightfox <=-

    We should teach knife fighting in public school gym classes. This is
    not a joke. I don't see it happening, but... it's a good idea.

    Hmm, maybe respecting others is a more useful thing to teach? ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 07:07:00
    Nightfox wrote to Leregard <=-

    Martial arts might be better. IMO it would be good to be able to
    defend oneself when needed without having to carry an extra object such
    as a knife, gun, etc..

    Now that I can agree on, martial arts are not only good for self defence, but a good way of keeping fit. Might help with the obesity epidemic too, and if taught with the right culture behind it - as a last resort means of self defence, it's got a lot to offer.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Roadhog on Thursday, August 10, 2017 18:31:57
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to kk4qbn on Wed Aug 09 2017 10:08 pm

    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:45 am

    ...or we could raise children to not be rapists. That might also make
    a dent.

    We could just execute all rapists.
    that would stop them from rapeing and deter others from rapeing.


    i'm all for that, including adding pedophiles to the mix. we just need to make damn sure they are really guilty of this crime.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Tiny on Thursday, August 10, 2017 18:32:33
    Re: Flame wars
    By: Tiny to KK4QBN on Thu Aug 10 2017 06:02 am

    P.S. for the record I'm not a replican. You're just a
    tool who can't read.


    i believe him. he cant spell it!
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 18:34:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 07:07 am

    Nightfox wrote to Leregard <=-

    Martial arts might be better. IMO it would be good to be able to defend oneself when needed without having to carry an extra object such as a knife, gun, etc..



    im pretty sure penn and teller bullshit covered this.

    if you spend all the time and money learning martial arts or boxing you are in the same box as if you just had a gun.. plus you had to go through all that time and money.

    but a good way of keeping fit. Might help with the obesity epidemic too, and if taught with the right culture behind it - as a last resort means of self defence, it's got a lot to offer.

    'martial arts' are mostly bullshit. boxing is credible.
    i'll fix a karate guy and chance it [and i have]... not MMA because they do a lot of wrestling and that's not really an 'art'.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Thursday, August 10, 2017 20:13:46
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 10 2017 06:34 pm

    Martial arts might be better. IMO it would be good to be able to
    defend oneself when needed without having to carry an extra object
    such as a knife, gun, etc..

    if you spend all the time and money learning martial arts or boxing you are in the same box as if you just had a gun.. plus you had to go through all that time and money.

    If it's taught in public schools, as Leregard had mention with knife fighting, money wouldn't have to be spent out of one's own pocket for it. And kids will be enrolled in gym class anyway; might as well learn something useful.

    'martial arts' are mostly bullshit. boxing is credible.

    What's your basis that martial arts is bullshit?

    Nightfox

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 21:30:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Thu Aug 10 2017 08:23 am


    Thats why I would never go to a public pool.
    and what are those brown floaters in the pool that look like Baby
    Ruth bars? JK

    As the local pool managers put it one day, "The intermediate pool is closed due to a Code Brown". :) Was pretty obvious what they meant. :)

    I always love that part in caddy shack when they clear the pool because of a baby ruth bar, the Bill Murray takes a bite out of it.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 10, 2017 21:38:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Aug 10 2017 09:15 am

    where someone who isn't abused will be gay. I doubt it's any more of
    a choice than a straight person being straight out of choice..

    Straw poll: When did you choose to be straight? ;)

    I've just always been girl crazy, I guess I made the choice to be straight at birth?
    I had a boss that is Gay and I have to admit he was a great boss.
    He didn't hide the fact that he is Gay and he never acted inappropriate at work.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Friday, August 11, 2017 19:03:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I always love that part in caddy shack when they clear the pool because
    of a baby ruth bar, the Bill Murray takes a bite out of it.

    Classic scene that one. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Friday, August 11, 2017 19:04:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I've just always been girl crazy, I guess I made the choice to be
    straight at birth?

    Doesn't sound like a choice, just who you are. :)

    I had a boss that is Gay and I have to admit he was a great boss.
    He didn't hide the fact that he is Gay and he never acted inappropriate
    at work.

    And so he shouldn't, there's a time and place for everything.


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  • From Leregard@VERT to Jagossel on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:11:15
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Jagossel to Leregard on Thu Aug 10 2017 04:28 pm

    Ah... yes. Except that women lie.

    The thing is that some of those who had been raped will not speak up and make the accusation to even get the process started of procescuting the smuck; and some that do, is just to using it as a ploy of some sort.

    To stress the point: SOME not ALL. It's NOT ALWAYS the case, and there are exceptions.

    Oh. Oh no no no, sorry, I am definitely not generalizing that ALL women lie. It's just... we can't start murdering people.. You don't want executions, you want justice.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:19:11
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 06:44 am

    the other hand.... do you know the Alan Turing story? It gets weird really quick.

    Yes, but he wasn't a sex predator.

    That is certainly correct. If we chemically castrate only CONVICTED sex offenders, that sounds ok... but 1.) a few rare cases are going to be false convictions, which does happen. A lot of cases were overturned when DNA evidence became easier to work with, for example. Our system isn't perfect.
    We all wish it was, but it isn't. I'd like to see the process be reversible at least? Just in case? and 2.) People will want to start PREVENTING it before it happens and anyone "perverted" will be on the hook. And I don't even want to know what that kind of purge would look like.

    So... here we have the Boy Scouts. I don't really know what an international equivalent would be. But we have the Boy Scouts, and GAY MEN are not allowed to be scout leaders because of a totally false idea that gay men are more likely to abuse children. This is STATISTICALLY FALSE, but that doesn't stop them... this kind of institutional homophobia is extensive and being totally wrong doesn't stop anyone from doing it, unfortunately.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:26:11
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 06:47 am

    We have the same thing, but the ribbon is a different color. :)

    What colour? Pink? (that's breast cancer awareness here).

    It's light blue... I've seen it, but I had to google it to find out exactly. Apparently it is TEAL. Domestic abuse is purple.

    I think pink is also breast cancer awareness.

    The best ribbon we have is the autism ribbon, which is multi-colored and shaped like puzzle pieces. Although I think that's cheating, who would make a ribbon like that? It's mostly posters and stickers. If you're going to have a ribbon it should... be a ribbon. I don't know.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:32:10
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 06:58 am

    That's not even remotely like how it went down here. The conclusion was "Something must be done to fix this".

    It gets that reaction when you really stop people and confront them with it. People generally agree on the most important things, but you'd never know it from watching them tweet at each other. It's a failure to communicate about serious issues that is symptomatic of a larger social problem.

    Almost no one is so callous and ideological they'd call a rape victim a snowflake, if they knew... never mind that some of the time that's precisely what tehy're doing.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:33:52
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 07:05 am

    We should teach knife fighting in public school gym classes. This is not a joke. I don't see it happening, but... it's a good idea.

    Hmm, maybe respecting others is a more useful thing to teach? ;)

    This may be a crazy idea, but when you have a REAL KNIFE and could actually hurt someone, even just practicing, or by accident, people wake the fuck up and start taking things seriously.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:38:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Aug 10 2017 08:13 pm

    'martial arts' are mostly bullshit. boxing is credible.

    What's your basis that martial arts is bullshit?

    lol people always do this. The internet is full of martial arts forums where people argue about who can beat up who and who's style is better, and which styles are a waste of time. But there's no ego with a knife. Knives are the opposite of ego. They cut everyone equally.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Friday, August 11, 2017 05:49:54
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 11 2017 05:33 am

    We should teach knife fighting in public school gym classes. This is not a joke. I don't see it happening, but... it's a good idea.

    Hmm, maybe respecting others is a more useful thing to teach? ;)

    This may be a crazy idea, but when you have a REAL KNIFE and could actually hurt someone, even just practicing, or by accident, people wake the fuck up and start taking things seriously.

    To put it differently, there's a very fine difference between respecting someone and respecting the knife they're holding, and we should learn that from a very young age.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 07:17:38
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Jagossel on Fri Aug 11 2017 05:11 am

    Ah... yes. Except that women lie.

    The thing is that some of those who had been raped will not speak up
    and make the accusation to even get the process started of
    procescuting the smuck; and some that do, is just to using it as a
    ploy of some sort.
    To stress the point: SOME not ALL. It's NOT ALWAYS the case, and there
    are exceptions.

    Oh. Oh no no no, sorry, I am definitely not generalizing that ALL women lie. It's just... we can't start murdering people.. You don't want executions, you want justice.

    at the very least they should loose their member and servere a stiff prison sentence, no pun intended.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Roadhog on Friday, August 11, 2017 09:15:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 10 2017 09:30 pm

    I always love that part in caddy shack when they clear the pool because of a baby ruth bar, the Bill Murray takes a bite out of it.

    I had always heard people talking about Caddy Shack but had never watched it until just a few years ago. In some ways it seemed like the movie is overhyped, but I still enjoyed it.

    I had often heard Kenny Loggins' "I'm Alright" on the radio and hadn't associated it with Caddy Shack for a long time..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 09:18:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 11 2017 05:33 am

    This may be a crazy idea, but when you have a REAL KNIFE and could actually hurt someone, even just practicing, or by accident, people wake the fuck up and start taking things seriously.

    My understanding is that you could hurt someone with martial arts too..

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:52:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Mro on Tue Aug 08 2017 10:43 am

    Yep. you are correct.. Bullying, and Bullies are all part of growing up nd being a KID. Now that we are "All grown up" we have supposedy matured past that point. as we can all see.. some of us hav'nt though.. Most people like that end up in jail. but there are still some floating around in society. don't worry.. they'll get caught up with soon when they bully the wrong person.


    The human race is better off without bullies as members of it, and bullies, especially of the conservative variety, need to grasp fully that liberal values like human rights, individual autonomy, and the rule of law, can be the only thing keeping them alive.

    I know for a fact that unpopular junior officers in the military who abuse their authority go out on patrol and "get lost". This has happened since forever.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:54:55
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 08:14 am

    How many documented cases of pedophiles and rapists claiming gender dysphoria in order to commit crimes are there?

    As far as I'm aware, zero.

    How many cases of "ordinary" seeming, masculine seeming, straight men, molesting children? That would be most of them, in fact.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to KK4QBN on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:57:02
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: KK4QBN to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 11:19 am

    Do you have a young daughter? If so, Would you want a MAN to walk into a public restroom with your daugther and be alone with her, and you not knowing what this MANS true intentions are.. I don't believe gender identity disorder is a genetic issue.. I believe someone has something rewired in their head.. either through abuse, or being bullied, etc. but there are PREDATORS out there who are using his opportunity to prey upong innocent children.. I truly don'y believe the trangender people themselves would cause trouble, but people POSING as a trangender person would.

    Where are these mysterious bathrooms? Like in the Target, where she could scream for help, or just walk out the door, or someone would come in in 5 minutes?

    The overwhelming majority of sexual assaults are committed by someone the victim knows.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:04:33
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 09:14 am

    Yes there is, Here in the USA you can look up sex offenders in your own neiborhood, It's horrifing just how many there are.

    No, I agree with that part.

    However, you made it pretty obvious that you just don't like trans people. I can quote you, if you want, but it wasn't subtle. It's clear to me that this is made up to rationalize your intolerance.

    If you meant all of this, you'd be afraid to let your daughter *go outside*. You wouldn't go on about gender confusion, like THAT'S the real issue.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:05:30
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Leregard on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:57 pm

    The reason why it's an issue: it just make it that much more easier for these pedophiles and rapists to get away with it.

    I'm not defending this, but it's already pretty easy.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to jagossel on Tuesday, August 08, 2017 13:11:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 01:05 pm

    The reason why it's an issue: it just make it that much more easier for these pedophiles and rapists to get away with it.

    I'm not defending this, but it's already pretty easy.

    Look, if you want to talk about why sexual assault is a problem, culturally, biologically, whatever, that's ok, we can have that conversation. Let's talk about why people do these things at all. Let's talk about why there is crime at all, in any form, and how we can prevent it. Let's talk about passion, let's talk about evil, let's talk about the Devil, if you want. I have a wife, I've had girlfriends, I'm planning on having a daughter some day, and I take this all seriously. I've taken it seriously for years. I've already researched the best kind of pepper spray.

    But apparently the whole subject wasn't interesting to you until trans people demanded their bathroom rights, and suddenly you care about women's issues.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 14:24:18
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Tue Aug 08 2017 12:57:02

    Do you have a young daughter? If so, Would you want a MAN to walk into a public restroom with your daugther and be alone with her, and you not knowing what this MANS true intentions are.. I don't believe gender ident disorder is a genetic issue.. I believe someone has something rewired in their head.. either through abuse, or being bullied, etc. but there are PREDATORS out there who are using his opportunity to prey upong innocent children.. I truly don'y believe the trangender people themselves would cause trouble, but people POSING as a trangender person would.

    Where are these mysterious bathrooms? Like in the Target, where she could scream for help, or just walk out the door, or someone would come in in 5 minutes?

    There are times to where walking out the door or even screaming can be thrawted if the preditor is strough enough. All it takes is for someone to be sronger than the victim.

    The overwhelming majority of sexual assaults are committed by someone the victim knows.

    Yes, that is true, but there are strangers as well, and there is still
    that a complete stranger can still attack.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 14:29:32
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to jagossel on Tue Aug 08 2017 13:11:39

    The reason why it's an issue: it just make it that much more easier fo these pedophiles and rapists to get away with it.

    I'm not defending this, but it's already pretty easy.

    Look, if you want to talk about why sexual assault is a problem, culturally, biologically, whatever, that's ok, we can have that conversation. Let's tal about why people do these things at all. Let's talk about why there is crim at all, in any form, and how we can prevent it. Let's talk about passion, let's talk about evil, let's talk about the Devil, if you want. I have a wi I've had girlfriends, I'm planning on having a daughter some day, and I take this all seriously. I've taken it seriously for years. I've already researched the best kind of pepper spray.

    But apparently the whole subject wasn't interesting to you until trans peopl demanded their bathroom rights, and suddenly you care about women's issues.

    Re-read the past messages (which it seem like that is the case), and look at when I, personally, stepped in: AFTER Roadhog said something about it, I stepped in. Most of the messages posted on this thread has nothing been but trolling before that.

    Yes, there were a few messages that was not trolling, and I nothing to contribute to that. My *FIRST* message to this thread was to help clarify the thought.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 14:43:02
    However, you made it pretty obvious that you just don't like trans people. I can quote you, if you want, but it wasn't subtle. It's clear to me that this is made up to rationalize your intolerance.

    Show me where this was made up to rationalize the intolerance.

    If you meant all of this, you'd be afraid to let your daughter *go outside*. You wouldn't go on about gender confusion, like THAT'S the real issue.

    Any decent parent would be worried about their kids going anywhere. As a father of two, I am always worried about them; but part of being a parent is knowing when to let them go out on their own and when to check on them.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 15:28:27
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu Aug 10 2017 08:13 pm

    If it's taught in public schools, as Leregard had mention with knife fighting, money wouldn't have to be spent out of one's own pocket for it. And kids will be enrolled in gym class anyway; might as well learn something useful.


    better off carrying a gun.

    What's your basis that martial arts is bullshit?


    i am a martial arts expert.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Friday, August 11, 2017 14:57:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 03:28 pm

    If it's taught in public schools, as Leregard had mention with knife
    fighting, money wouldn't have to be spent out of one's own pocket for
    it. And kids will be enrolled in gym class anyway; might as well learn
    something useful.

    better off carrying a gun.

    Are you proposing that we have school-age children carry guns?
    If we have children learn martial arts from a young age, at least they'd be at some level to be able to protect themselves earlier, before they can handle a gun..

    i am a martial arts expert.

    What is your background in martial arts? What have you studied?

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 18:43:49
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Fri Aug 11 2017 02:57 pm

    it. And kids will be enrolled in gym class anyway; might as well learn
    something useful.

    better off carrying a gun.

    Are you proposing that we have school-age children carry guns?
    If we have children learn martial arts from a young age, at least they'd be at some level to be able to protect themselves earlier, before they can handle a gun..


    if everyone learned martial arts wouldnt we be at square one with everyone knowing it?

    i am a martial arts expert.

    What is your background in martial arts? What have you studied?


    i have been into martial arts in various degrees since i was 16 years old.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Friday, August 11, 2017 16:55:53
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 06:43 pm

    if everyone learned martial arts wouldnt we be at square one with everyone knowing it?

    You could probably use the same argument if everyone carried a gun. Would we be at square one if everyone carried a gun? Maybe, maybe not. If everyone knew martial arts, or if everyone carried a weapon, perhaps people would be less apt to attack or rob someone, knowing they could just end up getting injured or at least getting into a fight (rather than it being an easy attack).

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 12, 2017 07:53:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That is certainly correct. If we chemically castrate only CONVICTED
    sex offenders, that sounds ok... but 1.) a few rare cases are going to
    be false convictions, which does happen. A lot of cases were
    overturned when DNA evidence became easier to work with, for example.
    Our system isn't perfect. We all wish it was, but it isn't. I'd like
    to see the process be reversible at least? Just in case? and 2.)
    People will want to start PREVENTING it before it happens and anyone "perverted" will be on the hook. And I don't even want to know what
    that kind of purge would look like.

    Yes, we will never get rid of false convictions. They do happen, regardless of how many checks and balances there are in the system, and I agree about point 2, that's just a witch hunt.

    So... here we have the Boy Scouts. I don't really know what an international equivalent would be. But we have the Boy Scouts, and GAY

    Pretty much internationally known. :)

    MEN are not allowed to be scout leaders because of a totally false idea that gay men are more likely to abuse children. This is STATISTICALLY FALSE, but that doesn't stop them... this kind of institutional
    homophobia is extensive and being totally wrong doesn't stop anyone
    from doing it, unfortunately.

    I suspect that's only in the US Boy Scouts, but it has certainly been a point of contention over there for many years (and totally absurd, when you consider the FACTS). I haven't had any contact with the scouting movement since I was 21 (when I helped out with a JOTA station).

    JOTA = Jamboree On The Air - an annual event where ham radio stations are setup at scout camps, so scouts can talk to each other over the radio.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 12, 2017 08:17:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    What colour? Pink? (that's breast cancer awareness here).

    It's light blue... I've seen it, but I had to google it to find out exactly. Apparently it is TEAL. Domestic abuse is purple.

    I think pink is also breast cancer awareness.

    Ahh, OK, and of coure, red is for HIV/AIDS.

    The best ribbon we have is the autism ribbon, which is multi-colored
    and shaped like puzzle pieces. Although I think that's cheating, who would make a ribbon like that? It's mostly posters and stickers. If you're going to have a ribbon it should... be a ribbon. I don't know.

    Don't get me started on that one. It is considered offensive by many autistic people, because of what it represents, an analogy would be how a Jew might see a swastika, given that the puzzle piece comes from Autism Speaks, an organisation that spends only 4% of its funds on actually providing services, with the bulk spent on looking for a "cure" - AKA getting rid of people like me... oh, and Einstein, Turing, Newton, and countless others who have made major contributions to history (that list of potential candidates dates back centuries). For those who read books, pick up a copy of "Neurotribes" by Steve Silberman. It puts the history of autism in a new light.

    By comparison, I am involved in an organisation that may be small, but puts as close to 100% of its funds as possible to providing services to autistic people and their families - even those who run it are unpaid, because the goal is not to make money, simply provide services.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 12, 2017 08:20:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It gets that reaction when you really stop people and confront them
    with it. People generally agree on the most important things, but you'd never know it from watching them tweet at each other. It's a failure
    to communicate about serious issues that is symptomatic of a larger
    social problem.

    I see what you're saying, and I agree. There's also a general ignorance of the effects that casual use of language such as insults have on not just people, but how that can ingrain social attitudes.

    Almost no one is so callous and ideological they'd call a rape victim a snowflake, if they knew... never mind that some of the time that's precisely what tehy're doing.

    Quite true.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 12, 2017 08:31:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This may be a crazy idea, but when you have a REAL KNIFE and could actually hurt someone, even just practicing, or by accident, people
    wake the fuck up and start taking things seriously.


    I don't even need a knife to be aware of that. Just my own physical capabilities are enough to exercise caution. In my teens, I almost strangled another kid once, I thought I'd better let go, before that happened (well, he was giving me shit over something!). By Year 10, all the bullies decided to back off, I was just too strong and unpredictable - I think the time during a bit of mucking around, where it took half a dozen kids to hold me down convinced everyone. I'm not particularly big, just very strong for my size. Similarly, I'm careful when and where I run near top speed, because the consequences could be serious, if I accidentally run into the wrong person (e.g. elderly or kids).

    Oh, and around here, if you carry a knife, you'd better have a good reason (like needing it for work), otherwise you will be charged with carrying an offensive weapon. When that law came in, I actually did carry a pocketknife around, because at the time I was delivering a lot of advertising flyers, and needed the knife to open the bundles.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 12, 2017 08:33:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    To put it differently, there's a very fine difference between
    respecting someone and respecting the knife they're holding, and we
    should learn that from a very young age.

    True, but I don't see why we should have to go down that path. Why the need for a weapon in the first place? There's much better ways to solve conflicts.


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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 20:03:08
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 09:18 am

    My understanding is that you could hurt someone with martial arts too..


    You can hurt them with a screwdriver too.... but a knife is traditional.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to jagossel on Friday, August 11, 2017 20:05:32
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: jagossel to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 02:43 pm

    Show me where this was made up to rationalize the intolerance.

    Ugh.... I could, but I'd have to go through like 400 messages. I think the phrase was something like "gender confused perverts", or at least that was the tone of it.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 20:09:01
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 08:03 pm

    My understanding is that you could hurt someone with martial arts too..


    You can hurt them with a screwdriver too.... but a knife is traditional.

    I'm not against martial arts or anything, but even if you're really really good at it, being punched in the chest is probably not worse being than stabbed in it.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Friday, August 11, 2017 20:13:33
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 08:09 pm

    You can hurt them with a screwdriver too.... but a knife is traditional.

    I'm not against martial arts or anything, but even if you're really really good at it, being punched in the chest is probably not worse being than stabbed in it.

    And it's not like knife fighting ISN'T a martial art, or martial arts don't use weapons, because... they do... it's called a "martial art" because they used to fight actual wars with it. The world is a lot different now, obviously, and "martial arts" are mostly for sports or fitness. Not that UFC fighting isn't hard to do, and a serious sport... they're just not trying to take over each other's villages or anything like that.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 20:24:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 08:09 pm

    I'm not against martial arts or anything, but even if you're really really good at it, being punched in the chest is probably not worse being than stabbed in it.

    I wasn't trying to argue that martial arts is more effective than a knife.. If it's at least equally effective, I think it would be a good form of self-defense.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Leregard on Friday, August 11, 2017 20:26:19
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Nightfox on Fri Aug 11 2017 08:13 pm

    being than stabbed in it.

    And it's not like knife fighting ISN'T a martial art, or martial arts

    You're responding to me but quoting yourself.. As Digital Man said in an earlier message, it looks like you're talking to yourself..

    Nightfox

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Friday, August 11, 2017 22:09:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Sat Aug 12 2017 08:33 am

    ... Ever caught yourself reading taglines and skipping messages?

    Yes OMG had did you know this?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Saturday, August 12, 2017 16:54:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    ... Ever caught yourself reading taglines and skipping messages?

    Yes OMG had did you know this?

    Haha it's a common affliction among BBSers. :D


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  • From Mickey@VERT/OXFORDMI to Roadhog on Sunday, August 13, 2017 15:50:00
    On 08/09/17, Roadhog considered the following...

    included things like coloring books and play dough they could play with. then Sean Hannity picked up on the term then Rush Limbaugh.
    and yes it started right after Trump won the election.


    Stop it, stop it, I can't stop laughing. LOL

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  • From Mickey@VERT/OXFORDMI to Mro on Sunday, August 13, 2017 16:10:00
    On 08/10/17, Mro considered the following...

    i'm all for that, including adding pedophiles to the mix. we just need
    to make damn sure they are really guilty of this crime.
    ---

    I'd like to see people that drive too slow in the left lane and guys who are behind in their support payments added as well. <grin>

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Sunday, August 13, 2017 17:00:08
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Leregard on Fri Aug 11 2017 08:26 pm

    being than stabbed in it.

    And it's not like knife fighting ISN'T a martial art, or martial arts

    You're responding to me but quoting yourself.. As Digital Man said in an earlier message, it looks like you're talking to yourself..

    I think it looks like I sent it, then had a good idea after it was already too late, and tried to add it to the end.

    I've been brainwashed by 140 character limits recently, in my defense.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mickey on Sunday, August 13, 2017 16:01:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mickey to Roadhog on Sun Aug 13 2017 03:50 pm

    included things like coloring books and play dough they could play
    with. then Sean Hannity picked up on the term then Rush Limbaugh.
    and yes it started right after Trump won the election.


    Stop it, stop it, I can't stop laughing. LOL


    I Know right, Lol thats why they got stuck with being snowflakes because they melt easily and need a safe space.
    We are no longer equiping our children to cope with the evil's in society.
    It is really true about the safe spaces, play dough and coloring books for colledge kids I swear its true google it :) you'll laugh till you wet yourself lol.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 13, 2017 18:20:57
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Sat Aug 12 2017 08:33 am

    True, but I don't see why we should have to go down that path. Why the need for a weapon in the first place? There's much better ways to solve conflicts.

    I don't have a ready answer to that... but you might as well ask countries like Israel or South Korea why they have periods of mandatory military service.

    "Why the need for a weapon in the first place?"

    I don't know... because people are basically bad, I suppose. There's not a really good answer.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sunday, August 13, 2017 20:34:59
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 13 2017 06:20 pm

    "Why the need for a weapon in the first place?"

    I don't know... because people are basically bad, I suppose. There's not a really good answer.

    Where I come from you don't carry a weapon unless you're ready to use it, most people would not use a weapon so no point in having one.
    I carry a 3" pocket knife but it's not for protection.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Mickey on Sunday, August 13, 2017 22:50:12
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mickey to Mro on Sun Aug 13 2017 04:10 pm

    On 08/10/17, Mro considered the following...

    i'm all for that, including adding pedophiles to the mix. we just need to make damn sure they are really guilty of this crime.
    ---

    I'd like to see people that drive too slow in the left lane and guys who are behind in their support payments added as well. <grin>


    Sometimes people are unsure of where they are going.

    and i was behind on child support payments because of constant computer errors. finally my ex signed off a stipulation on that mess.

    so i veto!
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Monday, August 14, 2017 16:08:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I don't have a ready answer to that... but you might as well ask countries like Israel or South Korea why they have periods of mandatory military service.

    Well, there's other advantages to military service - discipline, chain of command, teamwork, etc. So one could draw some side arguments there, though yes, the primary purpose of the military is to wage war.

    "Why the need for a weapon in the first place?"

    I don't know... because people are basically bad, I suppose. There's
    not a really good answer.

    Guess that's the big question. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Monday, August 14, 2017 16:23:00
    Roadhog wrote to Leregard <=-

    Where I come from you don't carry a weapon unless you're ready to use

    Same here, AND you don't want to be caught by the cops with it, because carrying a weapon without a lawful purpose is a criminal offence here.

    it, most people would not use a weapon so no point in having one.
    I carry a 3" pocket knife but it's not for protection.

    I used to carry a pocket knife years ago. It was when I used to distribute advertising leaflets, and the knife was so I could open the bundles (i.e. cut the packing bands). I'm not sure if even the toolbox in the car has a knife, but if it hasn't, that's more an oversight than any attempt to carry a weapon, the toolbox is used occasionally for work, or minro car repairs on the side of the road.

    "... Experience: a name everyone gives to his mistakes."

    Haha :)


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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Monday, August 14, 2017 11:18:21
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Mickey on Sun Aug 13 2017 04:01 pm

    We are no longer equiping our children to cope with the evil's in society.

    What would that look like? How do you equip children to cope with evil?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Monday, August 14, 2017 11:21:51
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Sun Aug 13 2017 08:34 pm

    Where I come from you don't carry a weapon unless you're ready to use it, most people would not use a weapon so no point in having one.
    I carry a 3" pocket knife but it's not for protection.

    We used to keep pepper spray in the car. It was mostly for my wife, but I decided I liked it. I have a little pepper spray can with my keys now. I don't really want to stab anyone... if they're coughing and gasping and can't see or breathe though, that's ok with me.

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  • From Leregard@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Roadhog on Monday, August 14, 2017 17:02:19
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Sun Aug 13 2017 08:34 pm

    Where I come from you don't carry a weapon unless you're ready to use it, most people would not use a weapon so no point in having one.
    I carry a 3" pocket knife but it's not for protection.

    I carry a knife that's probably 2". It cost $10, but it's sharp. It's mostly for cutting tape on boxes or opening envelopes, and things like that. I've carried a knife for so long that when I DON'T have a knife, and a box needs opening, I just feel silly.

    According to the Geneva Convention a pocket knife is a TOOL, not a weapon :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 15, 2017 00:14:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 14 2017 11:21 am

    We used to keep pepper spray in the car. It was mostly for my wife, but I decided I liked it.

    You should try marriage counseling instead.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 15, 2017 00:17:57
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Mon Aug 14 2017 05:02 pm

    I carry a knife that's probably 2". It cost $10, but it's sharp. It's mostly for cutting tape on boxes or opening envelopes, and things like that. I've carried a knife for so long that when I DON'T have a knife, and a box needs opening, I just feel silly.

    According to the Geneva Convention a pocket knife is a TOOL, not a weapon

    I worked at a company with a "No Weapons" policy. Multi-tools and Swiss army knives apparently qualified, as we were "encouraged" to leave them at home.

    We fixed computers, cabling, cut zip ties, opened boxes, etc. and found the whole thing ridiculous.

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 15, 2017 06:22:17
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Leregard on Tue Aug 15 2017 00:17:57

    I carry a knife that's probably 2". It cost $10, but it's sharp. It's mostly for cutting tape on boxes or opening envelopes, and things like that. I've carried a knife for so long that when I DON'T have a knife, a
    nd
    a box needs opening, I just feel silly.

    According to the Geneva Convention a pocket knife is a TOOL, not a weapo
    n

    I worked at a company with a "No Weapons" policy. Multi-tools and Swiss army knives apparently qualified, as we were "encouraged" to leave them at home.

    We fixed computers, cabling, cut zip ties, opened boxes, etc. and found the whole thing ridiculous.

    So, you're not allowed to brimg "weapons" (including the knives needed to do your job), and, yet, they provided you the same tools to do your jobs with. Personally, I would have thought that the company could be saving some money by allowing you to bring tools to work. I guess they want people to feel safe in the building by enforcing the same policies on the employees.

    Who knows, I'm sure it made sense to them somehow...

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 15, 2017 08:44:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Leregard on Tue Aug 15 2017 12:17 am

    According to the Geneva Convention a pocket knife is a TOOL, not a
    weapon

    I worked at a company with a "No Weapons" policy. Multi-tools and Swiss army knives apparently qualified, as we were "encouraged" to leave them at home.

    We fixed computers, cabling, cut zip ties, opened boxes, etc. and found the whole thing ridiculous.

    Yeah, that seems a bit silly.. Potentially anything COULD be used as a weapon, but sometimes it's just a tool you need for your job..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 08:53:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    I carry a knife that's probably 2". It cost $10, but it's sharp. It's mostly for cutting tape on boxes or opening envelopes, and things like that. I've carried a knife for so long that when I DON'T have a knife, and a box needs opening, I just feel silly.

    Yeah, sounds like where I was over 20 years ago. :)

    According to the Geneva Convention a pocket knife is a TOOL, not a
    weapon :)

    Interesting. I'm not going to test that in the courts, unless I get another job that requires me to carry a pocket knife. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 08:54:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Leregard <=-

    We used to keep pepper spray in the car. It was mostly for my wife, but I decided I liked it.

    You should try marriage counseling instead.

    ROFLMAO!!! :D


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  • From thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to KK4QBN on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 13:45:00
    KK4QBN wrote to Tiny <=-



    Who is shawn and what are you even talking about..? do you even know?
    just like any other TRUMP clown, all you know is running that fat jaw..
    it really does'nt matter what comes out of it, as long as you can hear yourself blabber on..

    sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me..


    you fit right in with all the other trump fools..

    WTF!!!??? Everywhere I go, this same kinda shit is going on! I'm was not a Trump supporter,
    but am getting sick of all the bashing! Trumptards, Trumpettes, Blah... Blah... Blah!
    Give it a rest!


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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Leregard on Wednesday, August 16, 2017 23:53:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 09 2017 09:11 am

    Dogs also hump new dogs as a kind of pecking order dominance/submission thin That is a fact about dogs.


    This basically sums up my introduction to Dovenet. I'm still confused by the whole ordeal...

    ;-)

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  • From Leregard@VERT to thumper on Thursday, August 17, 2017 06:41:02
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: thumper to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 16 2017 01:45 pm

    WTF!!!??? Everywhere I go, this same kinda shit is going on! I'm was not a Trump supporter,
    but am getting sick of all the bashing! Trumptards, Trumpettes, Blah... Blah... Blah!
    Give it a rest!

    What do you usually do, right before you get the bashing? Like... what kind of thing do you usually say, everywhere you go, right before someone calls you a Trump supporter?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 17, 2017 09:00:01
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Wed Aug 16 2017 08:53 am


    I bought a Pico Widgy bar from CountyComm:

    https://countycomm.com/collections/view-all-tool-products/products/titanium-wid gy-bar-multi-pack?variant=27435574534

    2" long, fits on my keychain without extending past my keys, is made of hardened steel, has a nail puller and a sharp edge that works wonders on box tape. If anyone has a workplace that has issues with edged tools, this is a handy tool.

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  • From thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Leregard on Thursday, August 17, 2017 08:25:13
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: thumper to KK4QBN on Wed Aug 16 2017 01:45 pm

    WTF!!!??? Everywhere I go, this same kinda shit is going on! I'm was
    not
    a Trump supporter,
    but am getting sick of all the bashing! Trumptards, Trumpettes,
    Blah...
    Blah... Blah!
    Give it a rest!

    What do you usually do, right before you get the bashing? Like... what
    kind
    of thing do you usually say, everywhere you go, right before someone
    calls
    you a Trump supporter?
    ---

    That's not what I meant. No attacks on me personally, but just sick of everywhere I go I hear or read the same thing. Everyone needs to agree to disagree and move on. All this is doing is just tearing the country apart. Quite thinking by emotions and think with our heads. Next election, maybe
    we can have a choice of viable candidates....

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, August 18, 2017 07:08:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I bought a Pico Widgy bar from CountyComm:

    Sounds interesting. :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to LEREGARD on Thursday, August 17, 2017 18:33:00
    What do you usually do, right before you get the bashing? Like... what kind of
    thing do you usually say, everywhere you go, right before someone calls you a >Trump supporter?

    (1) pointing out that I don't like Hillary
    (2) pointing out that something he said actually does make sense or is
    correct

    He is a windbag, and I did not and would not likely ever vote for him, but
    that does not mean he is always wrong.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to thumper on Friday, August 18, 2017 07:26:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: thumper to Leregard on Thu Aug 17 2017 08:25 am

    That's not what I meant. No attacks on me personally, but just sick of everywhere I go I hear or read the same thing. Everyone needs to agree to disagree and move on. All this is doing is just tearing the country apart. Quite thinking by emotions and think with our heads. Next election, maybe
    we can have a choice of viable candidates....

    I think the country was already extremely polarized, there just wasn't an excuse to fight about it on social media (or social media) before. I like to think we'll work through it, hang on to the good points and throw away the bad ones, and get to some kind of ACTUAL national unity, not media-enforced pretend national unity.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Dumas Walker on Friday, August 18, 2017 07:39:14
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Dumas Walker to LEREGARD on Thu Aug 17 2017 06:33 pm

    (1) pointing out that I don't like Hillary
    (2) pointing out that something he said actually does make sense or is correct

    He is a windbag, and I did not and would not likely ever vote for him, but that does not mean he is always wrong.

    I hated Hillary. I still hate Hillary. I watched every Democratic debate and mostly yelled at the TV about how fake and insincere she was.

    I voted for her anyway because a spoiled wanker who's never had a real job and lashes out in anger if you hurt his feelings on twitter, as Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces, seemed like a really bad idea. I didn't trust Hillary either, but I figured she was disciplined enough to at least listen to her advisors, and say something without changing her mind on social media two days later.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Friday, August 18, 2017 09:41:59
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 18 2017 07:39 am

    (1) pointing out that I don't like Hillary
    (2) pointing out that something he said actually does make sense or is
    correct

    I voted for her anyway because a spoiled wanker who's never had a real job and lashes out in anger if you hurt his feelings on twitter, as Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces, seemed like a really bad idea. I didn't trust Hillary either, but I figured she was disciplined enough to at least listen to her advisors, and say something without changing her mind on social media two days later.


    I Don't vote party line like alot of registern Republicans and Democrats do,
    I actually watch debates on the presidential side and read the bios of state leaders.
    I voted for the people that claim they want restrictions on government and to reduce our taxes, I know when they get in office allot of times they don't do what they claim they stand for like example Josh Newman ran claiming he would be a fiscal watch dog and vote against tax hikes, when he got in he voted for every F**king tax that came up, like the 12 cent per gallon tax and the 63 cent cap and trade tax that in my opinion is a tax on gas as well.
    and I gladly support the Josh Newman recall because is such a lying moron.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Friday, August 18, 2017 10:43:31
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Fri Aug 18 2017 09:41 am

    I Don't vote party line like alot of registern Republicans and Democrats do, I actually watch debates on the presidential side and read the bios of state leaders.
    I voted for the people that claim they want restrictions on government and to reduce our taxes, I know when they get in office allot of times they don't do what they claim they stand for like example Josh Newman ran claiming he would be a fiscal watch dog and vote against tax hikes, when he got in he voted for every F**king tax that came up, like the 12 cent per gallon tax and the 63 cent cap and trade tax that in my opinion is a tax on gas as well.
    and I gladly support the Josh Newman recall because is such a lying moron.


    I watched all the debates. Well... I watched all the Democratic debates. I skipped the early Republican debates when they had like 20 people running at once and it was so crazy they had to have TWO debates.....

    Some of them were VERY hard to watch. Once or twice I got drunk, immediately after.

    If you had the sense and critical thinking to watch like, "What is ACTUALLY BEST FOR ME?" , then good for you. Most people seem to just get sucked in and triggered by stand-alone issues like abortion, or whatever.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Friday, August 18, 2017 10:48:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Fri Aug 18 2017 09:41 am

    I Don't vote party line like alot of registern Republicans and Democrats do, I actually watch debates on the presidential side and read the bios of state leaders.
    I voted for the people that claim they want restrictions on government and to reduce our taxes, I know when they get in office allot of times they don't do what they claim they stand for like example Josh Newman ran claiming he would be a fiscal watch dog and vote against tax hikes, when he got in he voted for every F**king tax that came up, like the 12 cent per gallon tax and the 63 cent cap and trade tax that in my opinion is a tax on gas as well.
    and I gladly support the Josh Newman recall because is such a lying moron.

    My biggest criticism of Hillary wasn't anything she SAID, in particular, it was how she said it. She obviously had the best campaign people money could buy and she was saying whatever they thought would get her elected. Like the American people are stupid, and don't recognize it when a car salesman is trying to sell them a car. EVEN IF ITS A REALLY GREAT CAR, for a REALLY GOOD PRICE, it still kind of pisses you off when the guy who works on commission is trying to sell it to you... I mean, you know WHY he's trying to sell it to you, and it's not for what's in YOUR best interest.

    Say what you want about Bernie, I at least thought he was telling the truth. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I didn't feel like he was scamming me.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Saturday, August 19, 2017 08:02:00
    Roadhog wrote to Leregard <=-

    I Don't vote party line like alot of registern Republicans and
    Democrats do, I actually watch debates on the presidential side and
    read the bios of state leaders.

    I asmire your attention to politics. I don't know how you guys in the USA put up with it all, given that the US electrin process is so long winded. Our election campaigns typically last a mere 5-6 weeks for a national or state election. :) But I do try to keep abreast of the current issues, so I can form informed opinions. I also research newer minor parties. One feature of our election process is preferences, and getting those right can make a difference to the government that forms, especially in the Senate, where it's a lot easier for minor parties to win a seat or two. And those minor party Senators are sometimes the best of the lot. We had one in the previous senate. He was a total unknown from a minor party called the Motoring Enthusiasts Party and got in due to quirks in the voting system. Turned out to be one of the best senators, once they got down to business. He was down to earth, sensible and not full of the bullshit a lot of politicians have.

    I voted for the people that claim they want restrictions on government and to reduce our taxes, I know when they get in office allot of times

    Reducing taxes is not high on my list of priorities, but spending taxes wisely is. Big difference. I don't mind paying a bit more tax for something valuable. I just don't want them squandering it on shit the country doesn't need, or lining their own pockets. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 19, 2017 08:05:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    If you had the sense and critical thinking to watch like, "What is ACTUALLY BEST FOR ME?" , then good for you. Most people seem to just
    get sucked in and triggered by stand-alone issues like abortion, or whatever.

    Down here, we have a lot of people who jump on one issue, but also, a lot of "rusted on" voters who vote for a particular party, because they always voted that way, and their parents did. Me, I'm a swinging voter who makes the parties earn my vote, which is based on their attitudes to a number of key issues and how those affect me. :)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Friday, August 18, 2017 21:40:56
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Sat Aug 19 2017 08:02 am

    Roadhog wrote to Leregard <=-

    I Don't vote party line like alot of registern Republicans and Democrats do, I actually watch debates on the presidential side and read the bios of state leaders.

    I asmire your attention to politics. I don't know how you guys in the USA put up with it all, given that the US electrin process is so long winded.


    i try to look for someone that is against what i'm against. right now i'm voting for a woman democrat for mayor because i like her views on city issues.

    bigger elections are a media circus and i wish the media could be reigned in. they are influencing society way too much.
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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Vk3jed on Saturday, August 19, 2017 00:22:32
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Sat Aug 19 2017 08:02:00

    I asmire your attention to politics. I don't know how you guys in the USA p up with it all, given that the US electrin process is so long winded.

    Sadly, it is a sport in some aspects. My wife and I look forward to the debates both in the primaries and in the general elections; and we typically don't watch sports like football, baseball, etc.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mro on Saturday, August 19, 2017 00:30:05
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 18 2017 21:40:56

    I Don't vote party line like alot of registern Republicans and Democrats do, I actually watch debates on the presidential side and read the bios of state leaders.

    I asmire your attention to politics. I don't know how you guys in the US put up with it all, given that the US electrin process is so long winded.

    bigger elections are a media circus and i wish the media could be reigned in they are influencing society way too much.

    Sadly, true. The national elections are a much bigger deal than the more local elections. Even then, some media wants to make it a two-party system, ignoring the fact that there are other parties out there (e.g. Liberterian, Green, American, Independent). The minority parties fall so down off the radar that people do forget that there are other options.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Saturday, August 19, 2017 16:41:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i try to look for someone that is against what i'm against. right now
    i'm voting for a woman democrat for mayor because i like her views on
    city issues.

    I see.

    bigger elections are a media circus and i wish the media could be
    reigned in. they are influencing society way too much.

    You have a point. Especially true over here, where the mainstream media has few owners, and the dominant ones tend to be right wing and sensationalist. News Corp, owned by Rupert Murdoch is the prime example of this. Media involvement wouldn't be such an issue if we had lots of smaller media outlets with a wide variety of viewpoints, instead of a few big players who can call the shots.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jagossel on Saturday, August 19, 2017 16:43:00
    Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sadly, it is a sport in some aspects. My wife and I look forward to the debates both in the primaries and in the general elections; and we typically don't watch sports like football, baseball, etc.

    Guess that's why I've lost interest in debates, too staged. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jagossel on Saturday, August 19, 2017 16:51:00
    Jagossel wrote to Mro <=-

    Sadly, true. The national elections are a much bigger deal than the
    more local elections. Even then, some media wants to make it a
    two-party system, ignoring the fact that there are other parties out
    there (e.g. Liberterian, Green, American, Independent). The minority parties fall so down off the radar that people do forget that there are other options.

    We have a mostly 2 party system here too, especially in the House. Minority parties only get seats in a few electorates. In the Senate, however, minor parties often end up with the balance of power. The current Australian Senate has a few minor parties, along with some independants sharing the balance of power.


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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Vk3jed on Saturday, August 19, 2017 07:38:03
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Sat Aug 19 2017 16:43:00

    Sadly, it is a sport in some aspects. My wife and I look forward to the debates both in the primaries and in the general elections; and we typically don't watch sports like football, baseball, etc.

    Guess that's why I've lost interest in debates, too staged. :)

    It would seem like that is the case here as well; it's too staged, and questions are predetermined already. Even the audience uestions are screened, maybe even planted.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/DMINE to Vk3jed on Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:47:41
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Jagossel on Sat Aug 19 2017 04:51 pm

    Sadly, true. The national elections are a much bigger deal than the
    more local elections. Even then, some media wants to make it a
    two-party system, ignoring the fact that there are other parties out
    there (e.g. Liberterian, Green, American, Independent). The minority
    parties fall so down off the radar that people do forget that there
    are other options.

    Maybe if we can get hold of the "parties" we could get some helpful legislation written, passed, and enforced?

    HusTler

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Hustler on Saturday, August 19, 2017 09:14:38
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Hustler to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 19 2017 10:47 am

    Sadly, true. The national elections are a much bigger deal than the
    more local elections. Even then, some media wants to make it a
    two-party system, ignoring the fact that there are other parties
    out there (e.g. Liberterian, Green, American, Independent). The
    minority parties fall so down off the radar that people do forget
    that there are other options.

    Maybe if we can get hold of the "parties" we could get some helpful legislation written, passed, and enforced?

    Sadly our politicians only listen to lobbyists these days.
    polititians are out for themselves for the most part, there are a few that try to do whats right by the people but most of them are dirty greedbags.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jagossel on Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:38:00
    Jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It would seem like that is the case here as well; it's too staged, and questions are predetermined already. Even the audience uestions are screened, maybe even planted.

    Yep, nothing like seeing a politician squirm, when an unexpected difficult question heads their way. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hustler on Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:49:00
    Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Maybe if we can get hold of the "parties" we could get some helpful legislation written, passed, and enforced?

    Got lots of money? ;)


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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 20, 2017 05:36:15
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Sat Aug 19 2017 08:05 am

    Down here, we have a lot of people who jump on one issue, but also, a lot of "rusted on" voters who vote for a particular party, because they always voted that way, and their parents did. Me, I'm a swinging voter who makes the parties earn my vote, which is based on their attitudes to a number of key issues and how those affect me. :)

    I make an intentional effort to be mentally flexible about how other countries manage themselves... in fact I was recently accepted into a Masters program for "Comparative Political Science", because that's just what I care about.
    And still, the way you talk about minor parties, and new parties, and just generally MORE THAN TWO, I am forced to admit how absolutely alien that is to me.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Mro on Sunday, August 20, 2017 05:40:13
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Fri Aug 18 2017 09:40 pm

    i try to look for someone that is against what i'm against. right now i'm voting for a woman democrat for mayor because i like her views on city issues.


    Weird. I try to vote for people who are FOR what I'm FOR.

    bigger elections are a media circus and i wish the media could be reigned in. they are influencing society way too much.

    The media is run for money. Conservative talk radio is the worst. They just say whatever makes you angry.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Jagossel on Sunday, August 20, 2017 05:41:52
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Jagossel to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 19 2017 12:22 am

    Sadly, it is a sport in some aspects. My wife and I look forward to the debates both in the primaries and in the general elections; and we typically don't watch sports like football, baseball, etc.

    There was a bar near us at the time that played the debates on all their TVs and we could cheer like it was a football game. It was pretty weird... but it was kind of fun, actually.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Hustler on Sunday, August 20, 2017 05:48:05
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Hustler to Vk3jed on Sat Aug 19 2017 10:47 am

    Maybe if we can get hold of the "parties" we could get some helpful legislation written, passed, and enforced?



    The smartest thing I've seen on twitter in a long time was:

    "You can't please your voter base without alienating your donor base."

    That sums it up. What's good for the relatively rich and few is bad for the relatively many and poor. Always has been. I'm totally behind "drain the swamp", I just wish he was even remotely trying to do it.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Sunday, August 20, 2017 05:49:58
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Hustler on Sat Aug 19 2017 09:14 am

    Sadly our politicians only listen to lobbyists these days.
    polititians are out for themselves for the most part, there are a few that try to do whats right by the people but most of them are dirty greedbags.

    I think a bigger problem is no one has any real idea what "right by the people" means. The rules of the game are getting people to vote for you... not doing right by them. If you can just TRICK THEM into voting for you, that's easier.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:17:37
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Mro on Sun Aug 20 2017 05:40 am

    The media is run for money. Conservative talk radio is the worst. They just say whatever makes you angry.

    I disagree with that, the conervative radio I listen i.e. the John and Ken show just hammers out the lies told on both sides, they go after the truth and try to hold elected officials accountable.
    I believe we the people are being screwed by both parties.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:26:34
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Hustler on Sun Aug 20 2017 05:48 am

    The smartest thing I've seen on twitter in a long time was:

    "You can't please your voter base without alienating your donor base."

    That is so true, but they should try to please the voter base, I think they should get rid of donation based politics.

    That sums it up. What's good for the relatively rich and few is bad for the relatively many and poor. Always has been. I'm totally behind "drain the swamp", I just wish he was even remotely trying to do it.

    Trump actually has been trying to drain the swamp but but he has enemies on both sides, that makes it very difficult to get anything done.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:28:24
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Sun Aug 20 2017 05:49 am

    I think a bigger problem is no one has any real idea what "right by the people" means. The rules of the game are getting people to vote for you... not doing right by them. If you can just TRICK THEM into voting for you, that's easier.

    I can't disagree with any of that:)

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:24:39
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Sun Aug 20 2017 06:17 am

    I disagree with that, the conervative radio I listen i.e. the John and Ken show just hammers out the lies told on both sides, they go after the truth and try to hold elected officials accountable.
    I believe we the people are being screwed by both parties.

    I am unfamiliar with the John and Ken show. If they're hammering out of the lies told on "both sides", why do you call it conservative radio?

    Probably not EVERYONE with a radio show is terrible... but I don't think "political clickbait" filling up everything is a controversial idea.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:26:53
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Sun Aug 20 2017 06:26 am

    Trump actually has been trying to drain the swamp but but he has enemies on both sides, that makes it very difficult to get anything done.


    If there had been an executive order, or even a proposal, that had ANYTHING to do with draining the swamp, I think I would have noticed. Maybe it snuck by me, I can't monitor all channels at once... but I don't think so.

    He has the richest cabinet EVER. He has *literally* hired bank executives.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Monday, August 21, 2017 08:15:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I make an intentional effort to be mentally flexible about how other countries manage themselves... in fact I was recently accepted into a Masters program for "Comparative Political Science", because that's
    just what I care about. And still, the way you talk about minor
    parties, and new parties, and just generally MORE THAN TWO, I am forced
    to admit how absolutely alien that is to me.

    Sounds like you need to travel. ;) We're not as diverse as a lot of the European parliaments. Our voting system does tend to produce a (near) 2 party result in the lower house, because it's a preferences based system, and you have to include all parties on the ballot in those preferences, so for most electorates, your vote is likely to end up electing one of the two major party candidates, after the minor parties you've preferenced ahead of them have been eliminated in the count.

    I'm a believer in having strong multiple party representation. It forces issues to be discussed and given more due consideration. Two party systems can get very adversarial.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Monday, August 21, 2017 08:38:00
    Leregard wrote to Mro <=-

    The media is run for money. Conservative talk radio is the worst.
    They just say whatever makes you angry.

    Yep, I avoid it. Sydney has the worst conservative talk show hosts in the country here. Luckily I'm nowhere near Sydney. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Monday, August 21, 2017 08:39:00
    Leregard wrote to Hustler <=-

    "You can't please your voter base without alienating your donor base."

    And this is the key argument against political donations.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Monday, August 21, 2017 08:40:00
    Leregard wrote to Roadhog <=-

    I think a bigger problem is no one has any real idea what "right by the people" means. The rules of the game are getting people to vote for you... not doing right by them. If you can just TRICK THEM into voting for you, that's easier.

    I think it's quite simple - follow the money, and you'll see who's pulling the strings.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sunday, August 20, 2017 18:35:06
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Sun Aug 20 2017 12:26 pm

    Trump actually has been trying to drain the swamp but but he has
    enemies on both sides, that makes it very difficult to get anything
    done.


    If there had been an executive order, or even a proposal, that had ANYTHING to do with draining the swamp, I think I would have noticed. Maybe it snuck by me, I can't monitor all channels at once... but I don't think so.


    I don't think cleaning out the swamp can be done at the executive level, Most likely it would mostly be done at the ballot box with a few well targeted firings in his own cabnit.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Monday, August 21, 2017 16:36:00
    Roadhog wrote to Leregard <=-

    I don't think cleaning out the swamp can be done at the executive
    level, Most likely it would mostly be done at the ballot box with a few well targeted firings in his own cabnit.

    Actually, the way money and politics are entangled needs to be dealt with, otherwise the swamp will never be drained.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Monday, August 21, 2017 08:37:10
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Mon Aug 21 2017 04:36 pm

    I don't think cleaning out the swamp can be done at the executive
    level, Most likely it would mostly be done at the ballot box with a
    few well targeted firings in his own cabnit.

    Actually, the way money and politics are entangled needs to be dealt with, otherwise the swamp will never be drained.


    Sadly I think that is true and we are all dommed to be screwed by Governments. I really doubt we can completely change things.
    Trump at least is trying there's just not much he can really do to drain the swamps.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Monday, August 21, 2017 11:19:33
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Mon Aug 21 2017 08:15 am

    Sounds like you need to travel. ;) We're not as diverse as a lot of the

    You mean escape.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Monday, August 21, 2017 11:23:42
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Mon Aug 21 2017 08:40 am

    I think it's quite simple - follow the money, and you'll see who's pulling the strings.

    They can't just literally buy votes... can they?

    All the money goes into advertising dollars, and if you want to find the source of ALL our problems is that people are SO EASILY LED that whoever has the most television commercials wins. I've known this since I was a child.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Monday, August 21, 2017 11:40:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Mon Aug 21 2017 04:36 pm

    Actually, the way money and politics are entangled needs to be dealt with, otherwise the swamp will never be drained.


    This might be impossible, or just a crazy idea, but the ONLY EXPLANATION for why money can influence an election is that political advertising, negative campaigns, etc., WORKS on people... and maybe we could teach people to reason and be grounded in reality and not blown around like leaves in the next zillion dollar ad campaign.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Monday, August 21, 2017 11:42:08
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 21 2017 08:37 am

    Sadly I think that is true and we are all dommed to be screwed by Governments. I really doubt we can completely change things.
    Trump at least is trying there's just not much he can really do to drain the swamps.

    Ok, so here's the thing, and I think MOST SIDES WOULD AGREE ON THIS, if we thought about it... I don't blame the government -- I blame the money. Money money money. "Big" government would be just fine with me if it was not also bought and paid for by lobbyists.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 07:59:00
    Roadhog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Actually, the way money and politics are entangled needs to be dealt with, otherwise the swamp will never be drained.


    Sadly I think that is true and we are all dommed to be screwed by Governments. I really doubt we can completely change things.
    Trump at least is trying there's just not much he can really do to
    drain the swamps.

    Unless we get some politicians who are visionary and put their own selfish needs aside to fix a broken system (I'm speaking in a generic way, every country has a system which is broken in some way), we will never drain the swamp. Sure, Trump is not your usual "career politician", which does have its upsides, but he's not the one to fix things. More likely to change the brokenness, like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 07:59:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sounds like you need to travel. ;) We're not as diverse as a lot of the

    You mean escape.

    LOL, if you put it that way. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:12:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on
    Mon Aug 21 2017 08:40 am

    I think it's quite simple - follow the money, and you'll see who's pulling the strings.

    They can't just literally buy votes... can they?

    All the money goes into advertising dollars, and if you want to find
    the source of ALL our problems is that people are SO EASILY LED that whoever has the most television commercials wins. I've known this
    since I was a child.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:19:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This might be impossible, or just a crazy idea, but the ONLY
    EXPLANATION for why money can influence an election is that political advertising, negative campaigns, etc., WORKS on people... and maybe we could teach people to reason and be grounded in reality and not blown around like leaves in the next zillion dollar ad campaign.

    Sadly, critical thinking is a vital skill that is overlooked these days, and one we really need to get people using.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Monday, August 21, 2017 21:30:03
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Roadhog on Tue Aug 22 2017 07:59 am

    needs aside to fix a broken system (I'm speaking in a generic way, every country has a system which is broken in some way), we will never drain the swamp. Sure, Trump is not your usual "career politician", which does have its upsides, but he's not the one to fix things. More likely to change the brokenness, like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. :/


    the way it is in the usa , it's almost impossible to fix things. there's so much opposition and media bullshit.

    trump has done a lot of good things in short time, though.
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  • From Leregard@VERT to Mro on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 06:23:28
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 21 2017 09:30 pm

    trump has done a lot of good things in short time, though.

    I can't think of any.

    Jobs are slightly up, but they were already moving up when Obama was president. The stock market seems to be doing well because the big corporations expect their tax cuts... but I don't see anything else. Nothing.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Mro on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 06:29:25
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Mro to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 21 2017 09:30 pm

    the way it is in the usa , it's almost impossible to fix things. there's so much opposition and media bullshit.

    trump has done a lot of good things in short time, though.

    He certainly has gotten a lot of confederate statues torn down...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:10:13
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Leregard on Tue Aug 22 2017 08:19 am

    Sadly, critical thinking is a vital skill that is overlooked these days, and one we really need to get people using.

    Critical thinking was a required course in my first 2 years of college. Wonder if it's still required?

    When you think of what you remember 1, 5, 10, and more years after college, looking at claims skeptically and recognizing fallacies in argument are two of the most important skills I retained.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:07:22
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Mro on Tue Aug 22 2017 06:29 am

    the way it is in the usa , it's almost impossible to fix things.
    there's so much opposition and media bullshit.
    I agree, everything Trump says or does gets twisted.
    the media should be held to a standard of Truth in reporting.

    trump has done a lot of good things in short time, though.

    4.4% Unemployment, Defeated Crooked Hillary, has companies bidding on wall design, Bringing US Companies back from oversea's.
    Trying to get Obama Care repealed and replaced.


    He certainly has gotten a lot of confederate statues torn down...

    Really? Trump is against removal of historical statues, as he stated these monuments mean alot to some people, and they are apart of our history.
    Why the big uproar over monuments and statues now?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:09:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Tue Aug 22 2017 08:07 am

    4.4% Unemployment, Defeated Crooked Hillary, has companies bidding on wall design, Bringing US Companies back from oversea's.
    Trying to get Obama Care repealed and replaced.

    Defeating Hillary isn't an achievement. You have to stop bragging about winning an election at some point and start being president. EVERY PRESIDENT EVER won an election. Just cross that one off the list.

    I can't name a company that has brought jobs BACK from overseas, yes. I'm not saying you're wrong, I can't know everything, if you know otherwise just say so. But I think that's an exageration at best.


    Really? Trump is against removal of historical statues, as he stated these monuments mean alot to some people, and they are apart of our history.
    Why the big uproar over monuments and statues now?

    The reason people are tripping out about confederate statues now is that white supremacists are literally holding rallys and marches. I would have thought that was obvious. It didn't happen at random.

    And, you know, you shouldn't be surprised. How many times do you think people can be called a snowflake before they start destroying shit to prove you wrong?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 08:13:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    the way it is in the usa , it's almost impossible to fix things.
    there's so much opposition and media bullshit.

    Yeah, those would be issues.

    trump has done a lot of good things in short time, though.

    What do you consider good things he's done? Serious question, as it's possible these things haven't filtered out to here.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 08:20:00
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    Critical thinking was a required course in my first 2 years of college. Wonder if it's still required?

    It used to be taught in high school when I was a kid. Unfortunately, at the time, I had too many of my own issues to "get it", but once I had sorted myself out, and gained some wisdom from experience, I developed my own form of critical thinking. :)

    When you think of what you remember 1, 5, 10, and more years after college, looking at claims skeptically and recognizing fallacies in argument are two of the most important skills I retained.

    I'd agree with that. It's an important skill of mine too, now aided by my unique thought processes - I'm a dodgy salesman's worst nightmare, and have brought many a bullshit artist undone. :) My critical thinking ability improves with time, because every experience adds to my knowledge, upon which that skill is based. :)


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 19:56:48
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Aug 23 2017 08:13 am

    What do you consider good things he's done? Serious question, as it's possible these things haven't filtered out to here.

    just a lot of the bills he signed promote growth.

    here's some pastings:

    imposing a five year ban on lobbying the government by former white house officials and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign governments by former white house officials (GOOD)

    withdrew the united states from the trans-pacific partnership in january (GOOD) greenlighted the construction of the keystone xl and dakota access oil pipelines in january.

    he signed an order canceling obama’s efforts to fight climate change under the clean power plan.
    signed another order that could expand offshore drilling in the atlantic and arctic.

    june 23, 2017: s. 1094 - "department of veterans affairs accountability and whistleblower protection act of 2017"
    this law gives the agency's leaders the ability to fire inept employees and protect those who uncover and report wrongdoing at the va. its signing represents the completion of one of trump's campaign promises. it passed both bodies of congress with broad bipartisan support.


    list of bill he put through: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/president-trump-legislation/index.html

    he expanded the GI bill for people that want to go to school later in life.


    trump being president has boosted the economy in many ways. my employer benefitted well.

    the media is just obsessed with his tweets.
    they even were posting shit about him looking into the eclipse.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:56:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    imposing a five year ban on lobbying the government by former white
    house officials and a lifetime ban on lobbying for foreign governments
    by former white house officials (GOOD)

    A good start, probably also need to do something about the way government is financed (political donations, etc).

    withdrew the united states from the trans-pacific partnership in

    I am against the TPP, but not so much for pure trade reasons as some of the hidden clauses like ISDS (Investor - State Dispute Settlement), and the effective export of corporate intellectual property provisions, and the general overriding of national soverign rights these agreements enable.

    january (GOOD) greenlighted the construction of the keystone xl and
    dakota access oil pipelines in january.

    Do we really want to continue the world's addiction to oil? Only thing in favour of these pipelines is it's safer than trucking the stuff.

    he signed an order canceling obama’s efforts to fight climate change
    under the clean power plan.

    Short sighted. I wouldn't call that good in the bigger scheme of things.

    signed another order that could expand offshore drilling in the
    atlantic and arctic.

    Again, short sighted.

    june 23, 2017: s. 1094 - "department of veterans affairs accountability and whistleblower protection act of 2017"
    this law gives the agency's leaders the ability to fire inept employees and protect those who uncover and report wrongdoing at the va. its
    signing represents the completion of one of trump's campaign promises.
    it passed both bodies of congress with broad bipartisan support.

    Now this is a good one, too many incompetent workers are protected by the law. Provided other options such as training and re-location to more appropriate roles have been exhausted, there is a need.


    list of bill he put through: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/president-trump-legislation/index .html

    he expanded the GI bill for people that want to go to school later in life.

    GI? Don't recognise that, but allowing mature age school students is a good idea. I remember when I was in my last year of school, we had a 25 year old mature age student in our class.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 22:22:45
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Tue Aug 22 2017 11:09 am

    Defeating Hillary isn't an achievement. You have to stop bragging about

    Polls showed Hillary at 90% to win but polls are often way off.

    I can't name a company that has brought jobs BACK from overseas, yes. I'm not saying you're wrong, I can't know everything, if you know otherwise just say so. But I think that's an exageration at best.

    Ford, Dow Chemical, Trans Lux, Sprint, GM, Carrier, IBM.

    The reason people are tripping out about confederate statues now is that white supremacists are literally holding rallys and marches. I would have thought that was obvious. It didn't happen at random.

    The white supremists were protesting the removal of a confederate statue.
    then the otherside came armed with clubs and they had no permits to protest. nobody likes these white supremist groups but they still have 1st amendmment rights like the rest of us.

    And, you know, you shouldn't be surprised. How many times do you think people can be called a snowflake before they start destroying shit to prove you wrong?

    The melting down is part of being a snowflake.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 09:21:56
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 23 2017 08:20 am

    Critical thinking was a required course in my first 2 years of
    college. Wonder if it's still required?

    It used to be taught in high school when I was a kid. Unfortunately, at the time, I had too many of my own issues to "get it", but once I had sorted myself out, and gained some wisdom from experience, I developed my own form of critical thinking. :)

    I think critical thinking is one of those things you can learn outside of school. Having it be taught in school actually seems a little creepy to me.. A little Big Brother-ish. Schools teaching students how to think?

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 13:25:49
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 23 2017 09:21 am

    I think critical thinking is one of those things you can learn outside of school. Having it be taught in school actually seems a little creepy to me.. A little Big Brother-ish. Schools teaching students how to think?

    I don't mind them teaching kids the skills to think critically, more of a problem with teaching them *what* to think.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 16:15:56
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Aug 23 2017 09:21 am

    I think critical thinking is one of those things you can learn outside of school. Having it be taught in school actually seems a little creepy to me.. A little Big Brother-ish. Schools teaching students how to think?


    how to think is different than WHAT to think. i think what to think is being taught now in colleges.
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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 17:31:28
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Tue Aug 22 2017 10:22 pm

    The white supremists were protesting the removal of a confederate statue.
    then the otherside came armed with clubs and they had no permits to protest. nobody likes these white supremist groups but they still have 1st amendmment rights like the rest of us.

    I agree they have free speech. But armed with clubs? Seriously? I saw pictures of militias armed with GUNS. It was an open carry state. Clubs shouldn't worry you.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Wednesday, August 23, 2017 17:44:57
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Tue Aug 22 2017 10:22 pm

    The white supremists were protesting the removal of a confederate statue.
    then the otherside came armed with clubs and they had no permits to protest. nobody likes these white supremist groups but they still have 1st amendmment rights like the rest of us.
    The melting down is part of being a snowflake.

    I was going to let this go... but can we at least agree there's a disparity between the media image of "the other side" hiding in their college rooms playing with playdough and crying, and "the other side" showing up with clubs to punch racists in the face?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, August 24, 2017 09:23:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think critical thinking is one of those things you can learn outside
    of school. Having it be taught in school actually seems a little
    creepy to me.. A little Big Brother-ish. Schools teaching students how
    to think?

    I disagree. I don't see the issue with teaching people to ask questions about the reliability of stuff they read. It's not so much telling them how to think, as to teaching them to look beneath the surface for the truth, and to check sources of information.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, August 24, 2017 09:31:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I don't mind them teaching kids the skills to think critically, more of
    a problem with teaching them *what* to think.

    Agree totally. Kids shouldn't be taught what to think, just be given the skills to critically evaluate whatever information comes their way and form their own opinions.


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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 24, 2017 12:52:14
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 24 2017 09:31 am

    Agree totally. Kids shouldn't be taught what to think, just be given the skills to critically evaluate whatever information comes their way and form their own opinions.

    My understanding is we're all messed up on this because STANDARDIZED TESTS are the holy grail of measuring academic performance. So they don't care if you can think through the questions, they only care if you get the answer right on a multiple choice form.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 24, 2017 12:54:22
    Re: Re: Flame wars
    By: Leregard to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 24 2017 12:52 pm

    Agree totally. Kids shouldn't be taught what to think, just be given the form their own opinions.

    My understanding is we're all messed up on this because STANDARDIZED TESTS are the holy grail of measuring academic performance. So they don't care if

    I'm sorry, that wasn't quite true. The real problem is that standardized tests are how you measure a TEACHER'S performance. Teachers get fired over this, or not promoted. So they take up all the class time teaching test taking, not critical thinking, because that's how teaching careers work now.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 26, 2017 07:27:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My understanding is we're all messed up on this because STANDARDIZED
    TESTS are the holy grail of measuring academic performance. So they
    don't care if you can think through the questions, they only care if
    you get the answer right on a multiple choice form.

    That's certainly not going to help, and being taught to pass a test is particularly bad for me (and in many cases harder than actually understanding the subject matter! :) ).


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Leregard on Saturday, August 26, 2017 07:28:00
    Leregard wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm sorry, that wasn't quite true. The real problem is that
    standardized tests are how you measure a TEACHER'S performance.
    Teachers get fired over this, or not promoted. So they take up all the class time teaching test taking, not critical thinking, because that's
    how teaching careers work now.

    I don't know how they do it here now. Although I do work in schools, I'm not directly involved in the teaching side of things, and have no idea how teachers are assessed. But as you would expect, we do have a standard curriculum and all of that sort of stuff.


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