I have to disagree with a lot of people on here. I think people should be entitled to anonymity in a place like the internet where they're literally connected to everyone on the planet. Yes, even in tiny sections of it like bulletion board systems. But, to each their own.
I have to disagree with a lot of people on here. I think people should be entitled to anonymity in a place like the internet where they're literally connected to everyone on the planet. Yes, even in tiny sections of it like bulletion board systems. But, to each their own.
peter parker wrote to All <=-
I have to disagree with a lot of people on here. I think people should
be entitled to anonymity in a place like the internet where they're literally connected to everyone on the planet. Yes, even in tiny
sections of it like bulletion board systems. But, to each their own.
KK4QBN wrote to peter parker <=-
I allow people to be just about as anonymous as they like, as long as I
am able to trace wehere they originate from.
Many users however have asked for Birthdate, SEX, an other prompts so their information ends up on goper, and finger.
There is a place for anonymity online. In the 90s, when BBSs were a major part of the online world, it was critical in some cases for dealing with more sensitive or controversial topics. Today, less so, because pretty much all of the stuff I've seen online isn't of the same sensitive nature as some of what we handled back in the 90s. Facebook and various web forums have taken over that role, the latter being the closest the web offers to BBSs.
People still use finger? I haven't used it for 15-20 years! :) I do have a soft spot for gopher, it was the search engine of choice when I first got online, before Google and friends came along.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Some people still don't want their real name or identity attached to things like Facebook and such online. Even if you don't deal with sensitive stuff, it might be easy for someone these days to search your name online and find you somewhere. And even if you don't do anything questionable, a potential employer or other important person might
simply not like what they find.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I started using the internet in 1995, and by then there were already search engines like Yahoo, Altavista, etc.. I've never used Gopher, Finger, Archie, etc..
People still use finger? I haven't used it for 15-20 years! :) I do
have a soft spot for gopher, it was the search engine of choice when
I first got online, before Google and friends came along.
I started using the internet in 1995, and by then there were already search engines like Yahoo, Altavista, etc.. I've never used Gopher, Finger, Archie, etc..
Denn Gray wrote to Nightfox <=-
Back in the day dog pile was good
Back in the day dog pile was good
I allow people to be just about as anonymous as they like, as long as I am ab K>to trace wehere they originate from.
Many users however have asked for Birthdate, SEX, an other prompts so their K>information ends up on goper, and finger.
I think anonymity is good to an extent.. One problem is when there are troll N>who feel free to be ass-hats and piss off other people because they are N>anonymous and nobody is going to see their real name/identity.
I allow people to be just about as anonymous as they like, as long as I am able to trace wehere they originate from.
I like to have in my records:
Real name
Handle
Location (city/suburb/town)
D0B (mainly in case I do host areas that are for 18+ - none ATM).
Pretty much anything else is optional. Physical/postal addresses don't make V>sense, I won't be mailing you anything. Similar with phone numbers, I won't V>phoning either, and with the proliferation of mobile and VoIP, phone numbers V>have less public information attached to them (both tend to be unlisted here)
As for sex/gender, that's actually a bit of a vexing issue. One of the place V>where I work, and also a community I represent in advocacy has a very high V>proportion of transgender and non binary people per population, and BBS V>software hasn't yet added the "other" option, so I simply make that question V>optional and not put people into boxes. :)
People still use finger? I haven't used it for 15-20 years! :) I do have a V>soft spot for gopher, it was the search engine of choice when I first got V>online, before Google and friends came along.
I started using the internet in 1995, and by then there were already search N>engines like Yahoo, Altavista, etc.. I've never used Gopher, Finger, Archie, N>etc..
Back in the day dog pile was good
There was another search engine that used other search engines and combined the results.. I don't remember what it was called now though. There was also a desktop software program called Copernic that did the same thing.
I started using the internet in 1995, and by then there were already
search engines like Yahoo, Altavista, etc.. I've never used Gopher,
Finger, Archie, etc..
I did that in 1984 with CompuServe. I've also been with AT&T,
Earthlink, AOL, and Juno. My ISP now is with Comcast/Xfinity.
Allot of linux user's like duck duck go.
For me Yahoo is at the top of the "THIS SUX AZZ" list
To me, in this case, they are cowards, not wanting to take
responsibility for their actions.
Daryl
I think anonymity is good to an extent.. One problem is when there
are troll who feel free to be ass-hats and piss off other people
because they are anonymous and nobody is going to see their real
name/identity.
To me, in this case, they are cowards, not wanting to take
responsibility for their actions.
Daryl
Many users however have asked for Birthdate, SEX, an other prompts so
their information ends up on goper, and finger.
I don't have any pornography online. Years ago, on dial-up, one caller paged me for chat, and asked where the porn was. When I typed "on the internet"...his response was <CLICK!>. He never logged on again, which suited me just fine.
Daryl
Who the hell IS THIS GUY??!
on the nightowl CDs but thats as far as it goes.. I do however offer ROMS (Backups for your video games).
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
This is the same for me. Unless they violate the rules, or send Feedback, I won't contct them.
Or "what is your sexual/marital status?", and the reply is either "rarely" or "fair". :P
People still use finger? I haven't used it for 15-20 years! :) I do have a
soft spot for gopher, it was the search engine of choice when I first got
online, before Google and friends came along.
Give 'em the finger!! <G>
Daryl Stout wrote to KK4QBN <=-
I don't have any pornography online. Years ago, on dial-up, one
caller paged me for chat, and asked where the porn was. When I typed
"on the internet"...his response was <CLICK!>. He never logged on
again, which suited me just fine.
As a side note, pornography is from the Greek word "porneia", which
is sexual intercourse, activity, etc. OUTSIDE the marriage relationship between a husband and wife (a man and a woman). Nudity is not
necessarily pornography...reference Michaelangeo's "King David" sculpture...there with the genitals in all their glory. :P
The closest thing you get to nudity on my BBS are "back side shots"
with the buttocks. Being a widower over 10 years now, I know that "we
are all basically the same from the back side". I still have users
However, I'm sure they're hearing about the birds and the bees on the street more than in school...and it's not "birds fly, and bees make honey". :P
Daryl Stout wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
To me, in this case, they are cowards, not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.
KK4QBN wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
where did "pornography" come from when I typed SEX, FINGER, and
GOPHER.. LOL!
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over 5000.00 for the domain name.
on the nightowl CDs but thats as far as it goes.. I do however offer
ROMS (Backups for your video games).
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups. If you happen to lose or damage a game cartridge, how are you going to write the ROM onto a different cartridge? I've never known anyone who has the equipment to do that. I don't even know where you would be able to buy game console cartridges with a blank chip in it to write to.
Nightfox
on the nightowl CDs but thats as far as it goes.. I do however offer
ROMS (Backups for your video games).
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups. If you happen to lose or damage a game cartridge, how are you going to write the ROM onto a different cartridge? I've never known anyone who has the equipment to do that. I don't even know where you would be able to buy game console cartridges with a blank chip in it to write to.
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over
5000.00 for the domain name.
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over
5000.00 for the domain name.
yes.. especially at such a young age.
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups.
If you happen to lose or damage a game cartridge, how are you going
to write the ROM onto a different cartridge? I've never known anyone
who has the equipment to do that. I don't even know where you would
be able to buy game console cartridges with a blank chip in it to
write to.
Back in the late 80's we had eprom burners and could rip cartriges and burn them to eproms.
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups.
If you happen to lose or damage a game cartridge, how are you going
to write the ROM onto a different cartridge? I've never known anyone
who has the equipment to do that. I don't even know where you would
be able to buy game console cartridges with a blank chip in it to
write to.
silly.. you don't buy them.. you build them :-)
Back in the late 80's we had eprom burners and could rip cartriges
and burn them to eproms.
What did you then do with the burned eproms? Were you able to get ahold of circuit boards and cartridge housings to mount them into and play them in a console?
In the 80s, I don't think services like CompuServce, AOL, etc. were considere N>internet providers, were they? I remember such services being their own thin N>offering their own content and services.. I don't think those services got N>connected to the internet until the mid 90s, did they? I could be rememberin N>wrong, because I was a young child in the 80s. I remember my dad using N>CompuServe and Prodigy back in the day, but I hadn't heard about the internet N>until around 1995.
Re: Anon users
By: Daryl Stout to NIGHTFOX on Thu Jul 06 2017 09:00 am
To me, in this case, they are cowards, not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.
Who is this guy???
where did "pornography" come from when I typed SEX, FINGER, and GOPHER.. LOL!
I don't do porn on my BBS either.. I think there are some swimsuit models on K>the nightowl CDs but thats as far as it goes.. I do however offer ROMS (Backu K>for your video games).
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over 5000.00 for t K>domain name.
This is the same for me. Unless they violate the rules, or send Feedback, I won't contct them.
Even then, it would be on the BBS, and if they still act up, boot them. :)
Or "what is your sexual/marital status?", and the reply is either "rarely" or "fair". :P
Yep something like that. That sort of information I don't need to know as a V>sysop, it's simply not relevant. If people want to volunteer it, fine, but I V>not going to insist.
Give 'em the finger!! <G>
LOL
In the pre-Internet days, we did carry some porn, and only verified agult use V>got access. Today, I wouldn't bother, even if I wanted to, the Internet is V>awash with porn, what difference is a single BBS going to make?
Someone who gets it right, nudity often doesn't have anything to do with sex. V>Our society has a sick attitude to nudity, not helped by the media and others V>artificially beating up this false relationship.
I think all I carry is geek porn, unless someone's slipped something I don't V>know about into a file echo somewhere. :D
However, I'm sure they're hearing about the birds and the bees on the street more than in school...and it's not "birds fly, and bees make honey". :P
LOL true. :D
To me, in this case, they are cowards, not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.
On CB radio, the type known as "microphone heroes". Usually shut up by a goo V>foxhunter. :D
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups. If you N>happen to lose or damage a game cartridge, how are you going to write the ROM N>onto a different cartridge? I've never known anyone who has the equipment to N>do that. I don't even know where you would be able to buy game console N>cartridges with a blank chip in it to write to.
In the 80s, I don't think services like CompuServce, AOL, etc. were considere N>internet providers, were they? I remember such services being their own thin N>offering their own content and services.. I don't think those services got N>connected to the internet until the mid 90s, did they? I could be rememberin N>wrong, because I was a young child in the 80s. I remember my dad using N>CompuServe and Prodigy back in the day, but I hadn't heard about the internet N>until around 1995.
Daryl
Who the hell IS THIS GUY??!
He's... Daryl Stout?
Do you have a problem with anything he has said?
This is the same for me. Unless they violate the rules, or send Feedback, I won't contct them.
Even then, it would be on the BBS, and if they still act up, boot them. :)
Or "what is your sexual/marital status?", and the reply is either "rarely" or "fair". :P
Yep something like that. That sort of information I don't need to know as a V>sysop, it's simply not relevant. If people want to volunteer it, fine, but I V>not going to insist.
Give 'em the finger!! <G>
LOL
where did "pornography" come from when I typed SEX, FINGER, and
GOPHER.. LOL!
LOL that'd do it. :D
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over 5000.00 for the domain name.
Now that's a nice way to close it all off! :D
... This tagline is bi-lingual. English and Australian.
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over
5000.00 for the domain name.
yes.. especially at such a young age.
You must be somewhat younger than me. There was no Internet around when I was 16, in fact, got my first shell account at 26! ;)
silly.. you don't buy them.. you build them :-)
I suppose you could buy circuit boards and blank EPROM chips, but you'd still probably need to put it in a plastic cartridge housing so it would fit into the console slot.. I'm not sure it would be very easy to find molds to build the plastic cartridge housings at home.. unless I'm missing something..
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
This is the same for me. Unless they violate the rules, or send Feedback, I won't contct them.
Even then, it would be on the BBS, and if they still act up, boot them. :)
And, I've had to do such. We're paying all the expenses to run the system, and letting them have access to our resources.
Or "what is your sexual/marital status?", and the reply is either "rarely" or "fair". :P
Yep something like that. That sort of information I don't need to know as a
sysop, it's simply not relevant. If people want to volunteer it, fine, but
not going to insist.
I also don't need to know religious affiliation, or lack thereof...or financial status. If they are an amateur radio operator, though...I
need proof of their license.
Give 'em the finger!! <G>
LOL
Got to have a sense of humor with this BBS stuff. :)
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
Nowadays, they scream PORN at the sight of the "nude baby on a
bareskin rug", or of their child naked in the bathtub.
I think all I carry is geek porn, unless someone's slipped something I don't
know about into a file echo somewhere. :D
Next thing, they'll require us to put clothes on the computer...like people do their pets. Animals are naturally naked, and when I see where people have gotten their pets "gussied up", the look on their faces is like "get this crap off of me!!".
I think that's how Yogi Bear described "the birds and the bees" to Boo-Boo...and this was long before "Honey Boo-Boo". :P
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
That part of amateur radio, direction finding (aka fox hunting) is extremely popular. I believe there are yearly worldwide competitions.
One year at a local hamfest, they had a "fox"...but the hidden transmitter" was at "Hamfest Central", where they made all the announcements, etc. <G>
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
Give 'em the finger!! <G>
LOL
And, a pointed one at that. :P
One year, I was GLAD I had the handi-talkie (HT)...the last night of
the event, the security guard at the hotel assaulted our shuttle bus driver...and I used amateur radio to call for help, which saved his
life. When the people on the bus told me "You saved his life", I
replied "This is what amateur radio operators prepare for...emergency communications". In the United States, as far as the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is concerned, if you have a bona fide emergency involving the safety of life, or the protection of property,
you basically can "throw the rule book out".
Another time, I was at a square dance weekend in southwest Arkansas during the winter...and it snowed 9 inches overnight...it was a winter wonderland the next morning. One couple had driven up from northern Louisiana, and they wondered what they weather was like back home. I
was talking on an area repeater from the festival site, and one ham
said that on 40 meters, they had reports of freezing rain. I turned to
the couple, and admonished them "You better get out of here, and head home, now!!". They made it home, but were amazed at all that ham radio could do!!
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
He used sex to finger the gopher!! :P Sheesh, that's as bad as "the farmer doing things with the goat" in L.O.R.D. II!! <G>
anyway.. that wasn't for me.. I ended up fetching a little over 5000.00 for the domain name.
Now that's a nice way to close it all off! :D
Really. I have 3 domains I have to renew every 3 years...my personal homepage, an area ham radio site, and a square dance website.
... This tagline is bi-lingual. English and Australian.
That's like the story of the dog who applied for a secretarial job.
He can do shorthand, take dictation, type, etc. When they said he
needed to be bi-lingual, the dog replied "Meow!". <G>
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-)
It was in its infancy here.. actually was brought into town by a bbs sysop, he had a line run frkm chattanooga to dalton then offered dialup from there. I actually run a lot of my services from hom using ISDN
along with a couple more dialups for the BBS, the website was run of my friends server on the backbone at the time (I think he had a t1).
But I'm 40.. I think it was around 96 or 97, I started my first BBS
aroubd 93.
ISDN was impractical here, except for a short window in select places. The line costs eventually came down, but the killer was the metered calls, which cost a bomb, while good old POTS had untimed local calls for a flat 25c fee, perfect for staying online for hours on end. :)
Yep, young fella. :) I'm 49, though you wouldn't know by the way I run around. :D
And, I've had to do such. We're paying all the expenses to run the
system, and letting them have access to our resources.
I suppose you could buy circuit boards and blank EPROM chips, but
you'd still probably need to put it in a plastic cartridge housing
so it would fit into the console slot.. I'm not sure it would be
very easy to find molds to build the plastic cartridge housings at
home.. unless I'm missing something..
Anytthing can be done by a broke teen.. but yeah.. your're missing something.. why by all that stuff when emulators exists :)
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups.
Well, if you get hit by ransomware, etc., and you don't have a backup safely stored where the ransomware can't get to it, "you're hosed".
I suppose you could buy circuit boards and blank EPROM chips, but
you'd still probably need to put it in a plastic cartridge housing
so it would fit into the console slot.. I'm not sure it would be
very easy to find molds to build the plastic cartridge housings at
home.. unless I'm missing something..
Anytthing can be done by a broke teen.. but yeah.. your're missing something.. why by all that stuff when emulators exists :)
I haven't had to do it on my new systems yet *touch wood*, but back in the da V>I had to dump heaps of bogus users.
And, I've had to do such. We're paying all the expenses to run the system, and letting them have access to our resources.
Yep. :)
I used to need to know if they were hams, back in the days when packet radio V>was gated to Fidonet (hams would be given the ability to send packet messages V>via netmail). But that's not an issue these days.
Got to have a sense of humor with this BBS stuff. :)
For sure! :)
ARDF is also quite physical - an international level course will typically V>require 7 - 10km of running to cover the shortest path from start to finish, V>via all 5 controls. I used to compete in ARDF up to international level (200 V>Region 3 Championships).. Even scored 2 team gold and individual bronze at V>that competition. I have 2 out of 3 of the aspects of the sport covered - V>excellent RDF abilities and navigation. What let me down is I'm not built to V>cover distance, I'm naturally a sprinter, so covering the ground was the hard V>part.
Foshunting has another use - getting kids hooked. I run foxhunts as an V>activity in a lunchtime tech club at a school. They are always popular with V>the kids. I often get requests for a hunt. :)
... You're a Redneck if you've ever raked leaves in your kitchen.
One year, I was GLAD I had the handi-talkie (HT)...the last night of the event, the security guard at the hotel assaulted our shuttle bus driver...and I used amateur radio to call for help, which saved his life. When the people on the bus told me "You saved his life", I
Nice work. :)
To a point, there are still some restrictions here. The emergency provisions V>in the Act here allow you to use whatever means at your disposal, but there V>will still be questions raised, if using a modded radio, for instance.
But I'm 40.. I think it was around 96 or 97, I started my first BBS aroubd 93
Ransomware doesn't typically target console video games though.. I've never actually heard of a virus on a game console? And I wonder how ransomware would
encrypt data on a ROM game cartridge?
Well, if you get hit by ransomware, etc., and you don't have a
backup safely stored where the ransomware can't get to it, "you're
hosed".
Ransomware doesn't typically target console video games though.. I've never actually heard of a virus on a game console? And I wonder how ransomware would encrypt data on a ROM game cartridge?
KK4QBN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It was vice versa here.. ISDN was unmetered, and one could'nt call
pretty much past their own city without incurring long distance
charges. if you ran a BBS you had to have a business line whic ran
about 90 dollars a month a peice.
So yeah. ISDN ended up being a godsend. that and Planet Connect (I believe) "Fido via Satellite". If I knew then what I know now I
would'nt have paid all that money and would have built my own receiver.
:) or atleast tried.
Yep, young fella. :) I'm 49, though you wouldn't know by the way I run around. :D
Sometimes I feel about 70. I try to still stay active as much as
possible to keep both by mind and body as young and healthy as
possible.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-essages
I used to need to know if they were hams, back in the days when packet radio
was gated to Fidonet (hams would be given the ability to send packet
via netmail). But that's not an issue these days.
The "special ham radio areas" on my BBS include:
1) Access to the QRZ Callsign Door, done by the late Dave Perry, W4KGU (SK). However, they quit updating that over a year ago...the latest
data I have for that is April 25, 2016. They said that "more updated callsign databases are available"...but I can get more callsign data
from the QRZ website (one has to be logged in) than I can from the Hamdata.com website...although I use the latter for the "Callsign
Updates" bulletin on the BBS, that I manually update twice a
week...unless there's a holiday, like there was this week.
2) The QRZ QSL Card Collection.
3) The Worked All States door by the late Dave Perry, W4KGU (SK).
The rest of the QRZ Shareware collection, and the ham radio/weather doors, are open to all users...unless they're on "restricted access"
for BBS rules violations.
I used to have a VHF Packet door (also done by W4KGU (SK), but with antenna prohibitions here, I had to get rid of it.
Got to have a sense of humor with this BBS stuff. :)
For sure! :)
Do you, Sysop, take this BBS, to be your lawfully wedded spouse??
Well, it's in the bedroom, but I'm the one getting screwed. :P
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-ard
cover distance, I'm naturally a sprinter, so covering the ground was the
part.
Kudos to you on the awards. Nowadays, my sprinting is usually to "the little hams room". :P
Foshunting has another use - getting kids hooked. I run foxhunts as an
activity in a lunchtime tech club at a school. They are always popular with
the kids. I often get requests for a hunt. :)
Ham Radio, like so many other hobbies, is dying. The kids are glued
to their tablets, smartphones, etc. -- and the parent(s) is/are too
busy with trying to make a living to support the family, or taking
their kids to school activities, etc., and they don't have time for
things like ham radio.
Well, Lew tried to explain it in easy to understand terms...but his grandson wasn't fazed -- UNTIL Lew used the data modes of D-Star and D-Rats to send a text message to his grandson's smartphone.
"WOW!!", his grandson exclaimed. Lew calmly said "You can reply to
it". That did it...he was hooked!! Lew said the look on his grandson's face was priceless. I've seen similar things at hamfests, and the look
on folks faces...especially the women...is absolutely priceless!! :)
... You're a Redneck if you've ever raked leaves in your kitchen.
There you go!! I have a door called "You Might Be A Redneck" on the
BBS, with a bunch of sayings that Jeff Foxworthy would surely approve
of. :) And, like looking at "Today's Blooper", both of those give me a good chuckle each day.
---
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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
life. When the people on the bus told me "You saved his life", I
Nice work. :)
I was shaking so bad when I got back to the convention center, to try
to finish up some square dancing, that I said "Nuts!", and went back to the hotel. The cost for the trip though, was a steal...and I'll reveal that in a moment.
But, with the voucher I got for getting bumped, my round trip fare between Little Rock, Arkansas...and Orlando, Florida...was only $17!! I came out smelling like a rose on that one!!
To a point, there are still some restrictions here. The emergencyrovisions
in the Act here allow you to use whatever means at your disposal, but there
will still be questions raised, if using a modded radio, for instance.
Good point. However, electronics was never my forte'. I can tell you
the formula for telling the colors on a resistor, and that 1 amp of electricity can do you in, but otherwise, I'm screwed. It was that way
on the ham radio license exams. I did good on the rules, regulations, frequencies, propagation, and RF safety. But, when it came to the math
and the electronics....forget it!! :P
Denn Gray wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
My expenses are minimal to run a BBS, $13.50 for my thin Client PC
apx 12watts power consumption, I have a 250mgb down/12 up that I pay
for anyway
My expenses are minimal to run a BBS, $13.50 for my thin Client PC
apx 12watts power consumption, I have a 250mgb down/12 up that I pay for any
Ransomware doesn't typically target console video games though.. I've never N>actually heard of a virus on a game console? And I wonder how ransomware wou N>encrypt data on a ROM game cartridge?
My expenses are minimal to run a BBS, $13.50 for my thin Client PC
apx 12watts power consumption, I have a 250mgb down/12 up that I pay
for anyway
My 2 BBSs combined probably use about half of that. They both run on Pi boards of various fruity flavours. :D
However, I preferred pinball...my favorites were such games as "Space Invaders" (yes, there was a pinball game with that name...it was similar to "Silverball Mania" in design), Paragon, Meteor, Fire Power, and The Black Knight, to name a few. I spent many a quarter in the Student Union Game Room when I was in college nearly 40 years ago.
I have to disagree with a lot of people on here. I think people should be entitled to anonymity in a place like the internet where they're literally connected to everyone on the planet. Yes, even in tiny sections of it like bulletion board systems. But, to each their own.
Re: Anon users
By: peter parker to All on Wed Jul 05 2017 09:55 am
I have to disagree with a lot of people on here. I think people should be entitled to anonymity in a place like the internet where they're literally connected to everyone on the planet. Yes, even in tiny sections of it like bulletion board systems. But, to each their own.
I think anonymity is good to an extent.. One problem is when there are trolls who feel free to be ass-hats and piss off other people because they are anonymous and nobody is going to see their real name/identity.
Nightfox
of what we handled back in the 90s. Facebook and various web forums have taken over that role, the latter being the closest the web offers to BBSs.
True, while not everyone trusts Facebook, there are a lot of secret groups that only members and FB admins can see, which are a popular means to deal with these issues.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I started using the internet in 1995, and by then there were already search engines like Yahoo, Altavista, etc.. I've never used Gopher, Finger, Archie, etc..
They were very new then, I started on the net in 1994, and was a heavy gopher user for a while.
Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I originally started out running mystic on a raspberry PI 2 but then decided to buy the thin client PC and added a 500GB 2.5 hard drive to
it that I had lying around.
the reason I went with the thin client over the PI is it has 4GB ram
vs 1 GB on the PI.
either way its inexpensive to run a Decent BBS.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
also facebook and other sites try to push the use you real name and
info shit and make it seem like you are an outlaw if you dont because
they are there to farm and sell your information.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
dont trust anything online to be safe. especially facebook.
all it needs is one person making a screenshot
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i used gopher just because i HAD to. it really sucked compared to the tech we have now.
Daryl Stout wrote to DENN GRAY <=-
You're one of the lucky ones. I pay between $50 and $85 a month for electricity (levelized billing...cost is dependent on the time of year,
Mro wrote to Nightfox <=-
well we live in a world where someone can lose their job because they stated their opinion on something 10 years ago.
i dont want to know people's real name and info (why would i?) and
people dont really have a right to my real info or my user's real info.
Nightfox wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Stewart's Super Off-Road were a few of my favorite arcade games back in the day. I ended up being more of a PC gamer as I got older.
I originally started out running mystic on a raspberry PI 2 but then
I love the Pi, so economical. I'd have a few uses for a thin client PC, but haven't come across one yet. :( Probably the only real disadvantage of the Pi is it is much harder to run DOS doors and apps.
I think anonymity is good to an extent.. One problem is when there are trolls who feel free to be ass-hats and piss off other people because they are anonymous and nobody is going to see their real name/identity.
Allot of linux user's like duck duck go.
In the 80s, I don't think services like CompuServce, AOL, etc. were considered internet providers, were they? I remember such services being their own thing, offering their own content and services..
"Backups".. ;) I always wondered about the use of ROMs as backups. If you happen to lose or damage a game cartridge, how are you going to write the ROM onto a different cartridge?
ISDN was impractical here, except for a short window in select places. The line costs eventually came down, but the killer was the metered calls, which cost a bomb, while good old POTS had untimed local calls for a flat 25c fee, perfect for staying online for hours on end. :)
I think anonymity is good to an extent.. One problem is when there
are trolls who feel free to be ass-hats and piss off other people
because they are anonymous and nobody is going to see their real
name/identity.
Even with real names, people can still be asshats.
When I ran the dialup incarnation of my BBS, our network was handles-only and we had some serious flame wars - not trolls, mind you, but people who seriously got under each others' skin.
The difference back then was that we got together 4 or 5 times a year and the people met each other. I remember two of the most at-odds posters meeting face-to-face, looking each other up and down for a moment, and shaking hands. They had a great time arguing that night. Knowing that there was a human on the other end and seeing it made the difference. Don't know if a real name would humanify another poster online.
I wonder about people's concerns about their online reputations - it seems like people are posting to social networks or being tagged in photos/videos and don't worry about it like I would - almost as if it's a given that personal information would leak out.
I've talked to hiring managers who've looked up people they're going to hire and had questions about their social life affecting their position in work. And, I know firsthand people caught in workmen's comp fraud by their Facebook pages -- hint, if you're on WC because of a back injury, photos of you cannonballing into a pool in Vegas aren't a good idea.
GoDuckGo and Startpage are two nice, non-logging search engines. Startpage also has a proxy option where you can use their proxy to visit a site - handy when you don't want a log of going there or are at work on a company firewall - again, when you don't want a log of visiting a specific page. :)
I have an old original Wii that's been sitting dormant for a while - I mostly use it for Netflix in my kid's room. The Wii services have been shutting down over the years and most recently YouTube stopped working.
I did some poking around and found a jailbreak for the Wii that includes an app browser. There's DOOM, Quake and DOSBox for Wii, and a handful of games. More interesting is that there are emulators for a ton of consoles and an app for running Wii games from images. Connect a USB drive, dump all of your wii games to images and you can run them without swapping disks. Download other platform games to the drive and you can play them, too.
I think people could definitely be more careful about what they post online.When I ran for office, the controversial posts ended up coming back to
It seems, as you've mentioned, that many people don't really think about people
potentially finding their posts online. Sometimes I see posts online about potentially controversial subjects that I want to put my 2 cents into, but then
I'm not sure I want to in case someone might happen to find my reply later and
cause some problem somewhere..
You're one of the lucky ones. I pay between $50 and $85 a month for
electricity (levelized billing...cost is dependent on the time of
year,
Electricity is expensive here, upwards of 25c/kWh, but the BBSs are a minute part of total consumption. If the total power consumption is 10W, that's around 80 kWh (10 x 8000 roughly), or around $20/year. Think I can afford that for 2 BBSs. :) Internet is $109/month for 100/40 unlimited with the static IPv4/IPv6 prefix option. Again, the BBSs usage is miniscule, they're really hitching a free ride. :)
Electricity is expensive here, upwards of 25c/kWh, but the BBSs are a minute V>part of total consumption. If the total power consumption is 10W, that's V>around 80 kWh (10 x 8000 roughly), or around $20/year. Think I can afford th V>for 2 BBSs. :) Internet is $109/month for 100/40 unlimited with the static V>IPv4/IPv6 prefix option. Again, the BBSs usage is miniscule, they're really V>hitching a free ride. :)
... Alert: Scanner shows Sysop in the area. Look innocent!!
i ask for a real email address and a real location.
if they dont want to give it, they can take off.
also facebook and other sites try to push the use you real name and info shit M>and make it seem like you are an outlaw if you dont because they are there M>to farm and sell your information.
Some nets (like a lot of Fido echoes) do require real names. As long as your V>"real name" looks like it might be a real name and therefore pass muster on t V>nets, it's good enough.
I always liked pinball too (I do like video games as well). I remember going N>to the arcade occasionally when I was a kid, and I always liked playing a N>pinball game or 2. Joust, Centipede, and Ivan "Ironman" Stewart's Super N>Off-Road were a few of my favorite arcade games back in the day. I ended up N>being more of a PC gamer as I got older.
Speaking of cashiers, in working for Burger King in central Arkansas
for 5 years nearly 40 years ago, of all the jobs I did there, my main
one was cashier.
As incentive, the manager offered a deal to the cashier, that if
during their shift, they did at least $200 in sales, and the drawer was PERFECT (the money in the drawer matched the sales), the cashier got a Whopper, French Fry, and a Soft Drink, for FREE. At one time, I had 7 of those suckers racked up.
However, I think one of the managers was embezzling the funds. When I
came into work on day 3 of the 7 day suspension to pick up my check (it was pay day), the owner asked "Where have you been??", I replied "Suspension for cash shortages...you made the rule". He said "Screw that...I NEED YOU!!". To me, he considered me far more credible, that he did not suspect me of embezzlement.
He even had a polygraph test for the cashiers, but they had to sign a statement that they weren't being foreced to do it...but if they
refused, they were fired. I had nothing to hide, so I gladly took it.
Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-
For the PI there are several MPL doors just for mystic that run fine
and services Like BBSLink.
Never tried to set up an old dos door on it.
I do however have a tutorial on how to run Doors on a PI on my BBS, its
by Darrel Perry.
ftp://outwestbbs.com/raspberry.pi/PITEXTFI/PI_Doors.txt
"... 9 out of 10 men who try camels prefer women."
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-
For *running* a BBS, ISDN was nice. I had a line work paid for, so they paid for my outbound calls. Inbound calls were free. I started using Internet Rex and connecting to a Shiva LAN Rover to get to the intetnet
to download echomail, and used the other B channel for the BBS. When I
needed more speed, I could bond both B channels. inbound calls got a digital connect from me to the central office, so people who had 56K modems could actually come close to 56K connects.
I did that for about 3 years, then got DSL when it became available.
With DSL, calls were free within a certain area.
spacesst wrote to Vk3jed <=-
did you think to Go offgrid
With Solar or Wind on BATT and Inverser
You can Also add Light at home
"... It requires a very unusual mind to make an analysis of the
obvious."
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
This is true. But, I run it as a labor of love, in memory of my late wife, and I enjoy it. Besides, it takes some of the loneliness out of
my day. Plus, paying the games keeps my mind sharp.
... Alert: Scanner shows Sysop in the area. Look innocent!!
Or, as the "Sysop Editor" door tells the user when they exit the
"fake internal user editor"...YOU'VE BEEN BUSTED!! <G>
The door itself is basically an "integrity check", but a user won't
lose their access level by using it...it's a "gag door"...just like
"The Complaint Department" (more on that in a moment).
As for "The Complaint Department", when a user enters the door, it
tells the user that "we want to hear any comments, complaints, etc.",
then they're told "Press <ENTER> to continue". When they do... <CLICK!>
-- they're disconnected!! <G> I set it up as a logoff door on the BBS.
Other logoff doors I have include:
1) Don't Wake The Sysop -- The Sysop is sleeping...you have 10 tries,
and 4 options to wake him...page him, call him on the phone, knock on
his door, or yell outside his window...the latter gives the most
points. If you wake him, you're logged off!! It is rare that you can go
10 tries and not wake him, but you're still logged off afterwards.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
What the echoes will do is allow aliases in the header...BUT, the
user MUST put their real name at the bottom of the message. Otherwise,
the BBS where it originated from is likely to get a feed cut.
FIDONet works different than the first BBS software I ran, GT Power (originally done by Paul Meiners). With the echoes in the network, all traffic would be gated to the system of the moderator/echo sponsor
FIRST. Then, if it "passed muster", it would be allowed to echo out to
the rest of the network.
With FIDONet though, a message that violates the echo rules may go through several systems before it gets to the moderator's system. But, even with a feed cut, the miscreant user would likely find another
system to continue his misdeeds.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
also facebook and other sites try to push the use you real name and info shit and make it seem like you are an outlaw if you dont because they are there to farm and sell your information.
True, social media is about the revenue they can get from the ads. :)
When I ran for office, the controversial posts ended up coming back to
bite me hard. Where my opponent spent 20k to attack me on them, but my
base of the party loved me for what I wrote.
Door 3 was originally done by Todd Carlton. I think Doug Rhea at bbsfiles.com offers a key for $5...and that's the deal on most of the
doors there. In many cases, that's much cheaper than what the door originally cost to register.
i ask for a real email address and a real location.
if they dont want to give it, they can take off.
Agreed. You'd be amazed at some of the emails, names, and locations
that I have gotten in the 25+ years of the BBS.
Some of them were like "Not Disclosed", "Nunya" (none of your
business), "No Way", etc.
also facebook and other sites try to push the use you real name and info shit M>and make it seem like you are an outlaw if you dont because they are there M>to farm and sell your information.
I use a browser add-on called Fluff Busting Purity. It trims out all
the ads, group suggestions, friend recommendations, etc. Of course,
Facebook doesn't like that, but to me, there is so much garbage on the
page, that it's distracting.
He even had a polygraph test for the cashiers, but they had to sign a statement that they weren't being foreced to do it...but if they
refused, they were fired. I had nothing to hide, so I gladly took it.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i think it goes further than ads. it's your information
Hmm, DSL didn't change call charges here, it just made the Internet faster and more versatile, and enabled me to use VoIP. :) Technically, I'm still on DSL, but it's now VDSL, with a 100/40 connection.
He even had a polygraph test for the cashiers, but they had to sign a statement that they weren't being foreced to do it...but if they
refused, they were fired. I had nothing to hide, so I gladly took it.
wow, what a waste of money. those things arent credible.
For me, it's definitely a labour of love. BBSs gave me so much back then, an V>while times have changed, there is still a lot of satisfaction in running one V>or two. :) For me, it's the technical stuff that keeps my mind sharp, and th V>banter in here. :)
Haha I have seen a gag door or two, quite fun. :)
Haha, you have some interesting doors on your BBS, lots of fun logging off. :
he justifies doing this because he buys doorgames from authors with this mone
Too much trouble, easier just to have the users use real names (or something V>that looks like one :) ).
True. There was no alternative for Fidonet in the day, true moderation would V>have meant days to weeks delay in seeing your message posted. A Usenet style V>of moderation could work today, with the speed of modern connections.
Agreed. You'd be amazed at some of the emails, names, and locations
that I have gotten in the 25+ years of the BBS.
Some of them were like "Not Disclosed", "Nunya" (none of your
business), "No Way", etc.
sometimes i get anonymouse cowards creating accounts that are 'fuck you',etc
when i took down my bbs services some dick actually registered a domain name M>and created a website talking about what a piece of shit i was for doing so. M>excuse me for spending thousands of dollars over the years and deciding i did M>want to do it anymore.
yes, facebook purity is great.
:) I used to work at a fast food place (a Dairy Queen), and for a while they N>had some kind of reward for a cash drawer matching up, though I don't remembe N>what the reward was. When I was cashiering, I was always careful about it, b N>I never got a reward.. Perhaps it was because I didn't happen to be cashier N>the days when we got the most sales.
:) I wouldn't have had anything to hide either. But I've heard polygraph N>tests aren't always accurate (I've heard there are ways to fool the test), N>which is why polygraph results aren't admissible in court.
Re: Anon users
By: Daryl Stout to MRO on Sat Jul 08 2017 10:24 am
i ask for a real email address and a real location.
if they dont want to give it, they can take off.
Agreed. You'd be amazed at some of the emails, names, and locations that I have gotten in the 25+ years of the BBS.
Some of them were like "Not Disclosed", "Nunya" (none of your business), "No Way", etc.
sometimes i get anonymouse cowards creating accounts that are 'fuck you',etc
when i took down my bbs services some dick actually registered a domain name and created a website talking about what a piece of shit i was for doing so. excuse me for spending thousands of dollars over the years and deciding i di want to do it anymore.
i forgot what the website was though. i should have taken
a screenshot, it was a real hoot. not only that but all his info was wrong.
He even had a polygraph test for the cashiers, but they had to sign a statement that they weren't being foreced to do it...but if they refused, they were fired. I had nothing to hide, so I gladly took it.
wow, what a waste of money. those things arent credible.
I didn't have to pay for it, and I had nothing to hide...so, I didn't care.
he justifies doing this because he buys doorgames from authors with this mone
That wasn't my concern...I was just glad to get the doors. But, you
have to admit that so many doors and programs are now abandonware.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Times change -- I got my first DSL through Covad, since AT&T tried
twice and claimed they couldn't provide DSL to my location. Covad
could, using the same copper pairs!
I got 768k down, 128K up and thought that was amazing. Later I went
with an AT&T reseller and he was able to remove the data cap and get a full 1.5m down, 384k up.
I sometimes wonder if I'm not better off with a slower reliable connection, geek-friendly ISP, server-friendly and and no blocked ports than my cable provider's fast, blocked connection.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
I love the friendly banter in several of the echoes. One moderator refers to me as "Comedy Relief". <G>
Haha I have seen a gag door or two, quite fun. :)
Might as well liven things up. :)''Indeed. :)
Daryl
---
þ OLX 1.53 þ Married by a judge; should've asked for a jury. -Groucho
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
At least it's not Orville T. Fudpucker. :P
But for ham radio operators, even though we use our callsign, that's
not really an alias, per se. The amateur radio agency in one's country knows the ham by your callsign.
True. There was no alternative for Fidonet in the day, true moderationould
have meant days to weeks delay in seeing your message posted. A Usenettyle
of moderation could work today, with the speed of modern connections.
That would sure help.
He even had a polygraph test for the cashiers, but they had to sign a statement that they weren't being foreced to do it...but if they refused, they were fired. I had nothing to hide, so I gladly took it.
wow, what a waste of money. those things arent credible.
I didn't have to pay for it, and I had nothing to hide...so, I didn't care.
Daryl
... Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch.
Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-
... Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch.
1st Wolf " I Like Lamb"
2nd Wolf " I Love Lamb"
3rd Wolf " Burp that was delicous Lamb"
"... Armadillo: A mouse built to government specs."
you're supporting it by paying.
you're supporting it by paying.
Well, I'm not registering any more doors...and it's not because of
your comments.
I've got to save what little funding I have for medical bills. I
cancelled all future vacations, travel, etc. outside of central
Arkansas. With producing kidney stones again, I don't want to be far
from an Emergency Room, in case I have an attack.
drink more water and stay active.
drink more water and stay active.
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
Daryl Stout wrote to MRO <=-
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but
otherwise, avoid it.
Daryl Stout wrote to MRO <=-
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
Hmm, not too much sugar?
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
Plain water works well for me too. :)
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
could be his kidney stones are partially attributed to what he is
adding to the water.
i like ice mountain. you probably have it in your area under another name.
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
Hmm, not too much sugar?
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but
otherwise, avoid it.
Plain water works well for me too. :)
could be his kidney stones are partially attributed to what he is adding to t M>water.
Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-
According to the label, no sugar or calories at all.
Plain water works well for me too. :)
Everybody's digestive system, etc. is different.
i like ice mountain. you probably have it in your area under another
name.
Never heard of it. I usually get flavored water (usually Peach) from Kroger or Wal-Mart. It reminds me of the classic Nehi Peach soda.
could be his kidney stones are partially attributed to what he is
adding to t water.
Arkansas and Tennessee are known as "the kidney stone belt"...as there
are more reports of kidney stones in both of those states than anywhere else. Some suspect it's the limestone in the water supply, but mine are due to oxylates from caffeine, chocolate, etc.
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
Damn fellas.. Life has given us all a crap load of lemons.. what to do...
i like ice mountain. you probably have it in your area under another name.
Never heard of it. I usually get flavored water (usually Peach) from Kroger or Wal-Mart. It reminds me of the classic Nehi Peach soda.
Daryl
KK4QBN wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Damn fellas.. Life has given us all a crap load of lemons.. what to
do...
I guess the whole premise of this thread was sugars though (right?) I
was lost long ago..
*taps on his infuser with strawberry, kiwi, and water in it* This'll
get refilled 2 more times and around lunch time I'll be peeing every 45 S>minutes for the rest of the day :D
I've also got a subscription to Hint water. Fizzy Cherry is my favorite S>flavor, but the non-fizzy blackberry and peach are phenominal.
Never heard of it. I usually get flavored water (usually Peach) from Kroger or Wal-Mart. It reminds me of the classic Nehi Peach soda.
nestle sells it. in other regions it has other names.
If I have chocolate or caffeine once in a blue moon, it won't hurt me. But, I can't do it every day.
nestle sells it. in other regions it has other names.If it's chocolate, that's out. That has the oxylates, like caffeine,
DARYL STOUT wrote to HUSTLER <=-
Other Sysops can run their BBS their way...I'll run mine my way. And,
if folks don't like it, they don't have to apply for access...I won't
lose any sleep over it.
VK3JED wrote to MRO <=-
also facebook and other sites try to push the use you real name and
info shit and make it seem like you are an outlaw if you dont because
they are there to farm and sell your information.
True, social media is about the revenue they can get from the ads. :)
VK3JED wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-
But for ham radio operators, even though we use our callsign, that's
not really an alias, per se. The amateur radio agency in one's country knows the ham by your callsign.
But the general public don't. :)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
It's a business, to be sure. As long as you know 'nothing is free'
going in, you get what you pay for! :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-
But for ham radio operators, even though we use our callsign, that's
not really an alias, per se. The amateur radio agency in one's country knows the ham by your callsign.
But the general public don't. :)
But they can Google it pretty easily. :-)
nestle sells it. in other regions it has other names.
If it's chocolate, that's out. That has the oxylates, like caffeine,
which causes my kidney stones.
If I have chocolate or caffeine once in a blue moon, it won't hurt me. But, I can't do it every day.
If I have chocolate or caffeine once in a blue moon, it won't hurt me. But, I can't do it every day.
I want pure black coffee that looks like oil, with chocolate squezzed straigh K>from the cocoa beans..
Other Sysops can run their BBS their way...I'll run mine my way. And, if folks don't like it, they don't have to apply for access...I won't lose any sleep over it.
slow clap :-)
... Does the Little Mermaid wear an algaebra?
You can have mine then.
Remember one thing, though...JavaScript is what's used to make coffee.
... Does the Little Mermaid wear an algaebra?
It's green colored if she does. :P
Remember one thing, though...JavaScript is what's used to make coffee.
Of course it is... and coffee is used to make JavaScript.. lots n lots of Coffee.
I love cheesy jokes.. speaking of cheesy jokes.. what happened to the dude t posted cheesy jokes in the general area. I kinda enjoyed them.. what was his name... Denny?
What is the sound of one hand clapping?? :P
I love cheesy jokes.. speaking of cheesy jokes.. what happened to the
dude that posted cheesy jokes in the general area. I kinda enjoyed
them.. what was his name... Denny?
Caught me by surprise there. I thought this was a setup for another cheesy joke. :D
Of course it is... and coffee is used to make JavaScript.. lots n lots
of Coffee.
I commend you, sir, on creating a circle dependency. :D
I love cheesy jokes.. speaking of cheesy jokes.. what happened to the
dude t posted cheesy jokes in the general area. I kinda enjoyed them..
what was his name... Denny?
Caught me by surprise there. I thought this was a setup for another cheesy
What is the sound of one hand clapping?? :P
FAP?
SquigY0 wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
What is the sound of one hand clapping?? :P
FAP?
KK4QBN wrote to Daryl Stout <=-
Of course it is... and coffee is used to make JavaScript.. lots n lots
of Coffee.
nestle does more than chocolate.
nestle does more than chocolate.
I'm not much of a sweets person. I like ice cream, and the Hostess cupcakes. But, anything else is usually way too rich for my digestive
tract to handle.
In short, I don't want to have to spend my entire day "in the orifice,
on the throne". :P
Remember one thing, though...JavaScript is what's used to make coffee.
Of course it is... and coffee is used to make JavaScript.. lots n lots of K>Coffee.
slow clap :-)
I want pure black coffee that looks like oil
Of course it is... and coffee is used to make JavaScript.. lots n lots
of Coffee.
It reminds me of the old Looney Tunes cartoon with Bugs Bunny and Pete Puma (I can do the Puma's strange sound...a female co-worker years ago rolled in laughter whenever I did it <G>). I even laugh when I do it.
LOL
Pete Puma had been getting a lot of "lumps" on his noggin', when he
was asked how many lumps of sugar he wanted...he got lumps with the
hammer instead. So, he said "I quit drinking tea, as it gave me a headache". When asked what he wanted, he said "COFFEE!!" <sound effect>.
haha.. I remember that.. and I had a friend who sounded and acted just like t K>bashful (beaky) buzzard. still to the day I cant get over that..
I made sure he knew that I thought this too.. so he did'nt think I was making K>fun of him or something.. He said he's had many people tell him he reminded K>them of beaky buzzard or either eor <s> from pooh.
I told him to cheer up a bit, the world is'nt coming to and end.. this was K>about 6 or 7 years ago, and the earth is still turning.. "quite possibly a bi K>off it's axis, but nonetheless".
slow clap :-)
To quote an old sysop from of mine from a message he posted on his BBS RW>years ago: "I hear there is a cure for that now." :)
I want pure black coffee that looks like oil
It's not coffee if it looks any other way. :D
To quote an old sysop from of mine from a message he posted on his BBS RW>years ago: "I hear there is a cure for that now." :)
More like: "Overmedicated?? We have a prescription for that"!! :P
Re: Re: Anon users
By: Daryl Stout to ROBERT WOLFE on Sat Jul 15 2017 13:20:00
To quote an old sysop from of mine from a message he posted on his BBS RW>years ago: "I hear there is a cure for that now." :)
More like: "Overmedicated?? We have a prescription for that"!! :P
Isn't that the truth these days. It seems like there is a perscription for anything.
-jag
Code it, script it, automate it!
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-We are the product, not them.
True, social media is about the revenue they can get from the ads. :)
It's a business, to be sure. As long as you know 'nothing is free'
going in, you get what you pay for! :-)
and why don't you have a tagline, it appears as if your message
originated here, but I see it did'nt.
Something I need to set in my preferences? Or is this something Cap'N needs to configure globally on the board?
and why don't you have a tagline, it appears as if your message
originated here, but I see it did'nt.
Something I need to set in my preferences? Or is this something Cap'N needs to configure globally on the board?
DARYL STOUT wrote to MRO <=-
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does
not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but
otherwise, avoid it.
DARYL STOUT wrote to MRO <=-
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
My wife says water is good for two things - bathin' & baptizin' :-D
I'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
My wife says water is good for two things - bathin' & baptizin' :-D
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DARYL STOUT wrote to MRO <=-
But flavored water isn't as good for you as plain water. Use lotsI'm drinking over a liter of flavored water a day. Plain water does not set will with me. I'll use it to take my medications, but otherwise, avoid it.
My wife says water is good for two things - bathin' & baptizin' :-D
... Almost had a psychic girlfriend - she left me before we met.Good Riddence!
þ wcQWK 7.0 ÷ Neptune's Lair - Olive Branch MS - winserver.org:2323Where about is Olive Branch MS? I'm actually from Bogue Chitto, MS.
JOHN GUILLORY wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
My wife says water is good for two things - bathin' & baptizin' :-D
and preventing kidney stones / getting rid of them.... Not to
mention, preventing dehydration....
= wcQWK 7.0 = Neptune's Lair - Olive Branch MS - winserver.org:2323
Where about is Olive Branch MS? I'm actually from Bogue Chitto, MS. Just North of Mc Comb, MS and south of Brookhaven, MS. 1 Hour south of Jackson, MS...
Looks like we have pretty mixed opinions on social media here...
I really enjoy Twitter. It's a nice way to see collated quips and posts of from people with whom I share interests. I also enjoy watching Svengoolie on Saturday nights, and a lot of us livetweet the movies (very MST3K style.) I've also received a number of breaking news stories via Twitter first.
Instagram, Pinterest, etc - nada for me. I did a tiny bit of Pinterest when it first launched, but it never really clicked for me. I think I "pinned" a couple of weird science or trivia things at first.
Looks like we have pretty mixed opinions on social media here...
I really enjoy Twitter. It's a nice way to see collated quips and posts of >from people with whom I share interests. I also enjoy watching Svengoolie on >Saturday nights, and a lot of us livetweet the movies (very MST3K style.) >I've also received a number of breaking news stories via Twitter first.
Facebook I mainly use to talk to a small circle of friends including my >sister who lives abroad. A number of them don't check their email regularly so >its the best way to shoot them a quick message. I've been working with a >friend on some indie-press RPG and wargaming products, so I log in there to >help the marketing aspect of those.
Instagram, Pinterest, etc - nada for me. I did a tiny bit of Pinterest when >it first launched, but it never really clicked for me. I think I "pinned" a >couple of weird science or trivia things at first.
Instagram, Pinterest, etc - nada for me. I did a tiny bit of Pinterest when it first launched, but it never really clicked for me. I think I "pinned" a couple of weird science or trivia things at first.
I think it depends on what you're trying to accomplish and who you're trying to reach. Kids under 25 are staying away from Facebook, and it sounds like Snapchat and Musica.ly (or however you spell it) are the flavors of the week.
What concerns me the most about social networking is using Facebook as your auth platform. When you log into third party sites using Facebook as your credentials, you're tying a helluva lot of information into those credentials - and making it harder to leave.
I really enjoy Twitter. It's a nice way to see collated quips and posts of from people with whom I share interests. I also enjoy watching Svengoolie on Saturday nights, and a lot of us livetweet the movies (very MST3K style.) I've also received a number of breaking news stories via Twitter first.
Facebook I mainly use to talk to a small circle of friends including my sister who lives abroad. A number of them don't check their email regularly its the best way to shoot them a quick message. I've been working with a friend on some indie-press RPG and wargaming products, so I log in there to help the marketing aspect of those.
Instagram, Pinterest, etc - nada for me. I did a tiny bit of Pinterest when it first launched, but it never really clicked for me. I think I "pinned" a couple of weird science or trivia things at first.
I really enjoy Twitter. It's a nice way to see collated quips and posts of >from people with whom I share interests. I also enjoy watching Svengoolie on >Saturday nights, and a lot of us livetweet the movies (very MST3K style.) >I've also received a number of breaking news stories via Twitter first.
Facebook I mainly use to talk to a small circle of friends including my >sister who lives abroad. A number of them don't check their email regularly so >its the best way to shoot them a quick message. I've been working with a >friend on some indie-press RPG and wargaming products, so I log in there to
i finally saw the father i never met thanks to facebook. and i spied on his >pics and i'm glad i didnt know him!
i have helped people find long lost friends and relatives on the internet, and >sometimes facebook comes into play with that.
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i finally saw the father i never met thanks to facebook. and i spied on
his pics and i'm glad i didnt know him!
i have helped people find long lost friends and relatives on the
internet, and sometimes facebook comes into play with that.
As part of my genealogy research, I've been able to connect cousins in England and Australia thanks to Facebook, and been connected to many
more who have been able to provide additional and more accurate information. It has its uses.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:52:24 -0600, "MRO" <mro@VERT/BBSESINF> wrote:
i finally saw the father i never met thanks to facebook. and i spied on his >pics and i'm glad i didnt know him!
i have helped people find long lost friends and relatives on the internet, and >sometimes facebook comes into play with that.
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As part of my genealogy research, I've been able to connect cousins in England and Australia thanks to Facebook, and been connected to many
more who have been able to provide additional and more accurate
information. It has its uses.
more who have been able to provide additional and more accurate information. It has its uses.
Were you replying using a news reader? I noticed your reply was directed to "All", although you had quoted part of someone's message.
One issue with a reply directed to "All" is that the reply probably won't come up for that person when they do their newscan for messages written to them, so they might not see it.
you have to use the tools that are avaliable. part of the reason bbsing tanked in the 90s is because sysops refused to realize that the internet was becoming prominent.
I'm not so sure that BBSing died because sysops didn't see it coming, I just think the web took over. Everything you did on a BBS you could do on the web, but with better graphics. Worldgroup and Excalibur software couldn't keep up, and those that played games moved on to things a bit more graphically intensive.
I'm not so sure that BBSing died because sysops didn't see it coming,
I just think the web took over. Everything you did on a BBS you could
do on the web, but with better graphics. Worldgroup and Excalibur
software couldn't keep up, and those that played games moved on to
things a bit more graphically intensive.
I generally agree.
There was one local BBS in my area that saw the Internet coming. He
was one of the first to offer Internet access, and one of the first to offer a PPP dialup connection through his software (MajorBBS I think). Eventually he transformed the BBS to an ISP, but was swallowed up by another company that had an avertising budget.
BBSes that offered some internet connectivity were cool and provided
some use, although I suppose it made more sense for users to connect
to the internet directly.
BBSs that offered some internet connectivity outlasted most of the others, as users weren't really able to connect to the internet directly at first. That's why things like AOL, Compuserve, and others were big hits as sort of gateways back then.
And now the government wants to control it and monopolize it for profit. ;(
BBSs that offered some internet connectivity outlasted most of the others, as users weren't really able to connect to the internet directly at first.
BBSs that offered some internet connectivity outlasted most of
the others, as users weren't really able to connect to the
internet directly at first. That's why things like AOL,
Compuserve, and others were big hits as sort of gateways back
then.
I suppose that makes sense. And as far as AOL, CompuServe, etc., if people were paying for those services, they could also pay for a
direct internet provider - Unless of course there were no internet providers near them and AOL, CompuServe, etc. was all that was
available to them.
I remember when AOL, CompuServe, and the others didn't have internet gateways. I believe those started out as their own separate
independent online services.
And now the government wants to control it and monopolize it for
profit. ;(
Are you referring to the Net Neutrality debates? I'm in favor of net neutrality - We should be able to use whatever services we want.
Re: Re: Social Media
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Thu Nov 30 2017 04:56 pm
I'm not so sure that BBSing died because sysops didn't see it coming, Da>> I just think the web took over. Everything you did on a BBS you could Da>> do on the web, but with better graphics. Worldgroup and Excalibur
software couldn't keep up, and those that played games moved on to
things a bit more graphically intensive.
I generally agree.
NO BUSY SIGNALS.
you can actually go back via google groups and see the sysops NOT seeing how big the internet would be. "why would they go to the internet? nobody has more receipes than my bbs!"
some of them outright fought the web/internet and refused to recognize what it could become.
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Hello DaiTengu,
On Thu Nov 30 2017 16:18:44, DaiTengu wrote to MRO:
There was one local BBS in my area that saw the Internet coming. He was one of the first to offer Internet access, and one of the first to offer a PPP dialup connection through his software (MajorBBS I think). Eventually he transformed the BBS to an ISP, but was swallowed up by another company that had an avertising budget.
That sounds like what happened with Exec-PC down here. They offered internet AC>access very early (to paid customers). They had to have made some decent mon AC>at the time. Though I don't think they got "swallowed up", but rather just AC>eventually couldn't compete with the internet. The BBS itself looks like it' AC>still around (bbs.execpc.com), but it seems to answer, display two lines of AC>text (one being kernel 2.0.31 and the other saying "ExecPC BBS"), and then AC>hangs up on you. So I'm guessing it was probably place on a server somewhere AC>long time ago and forgotten. lol
what it could become.
Lack of foresight.. One reason I started using the internet more than BBSes back in the day was that the internet actually made it easier to find information. I could search for it on the internet and usually find something more up-to-date faster than I could by calling a bunch of local BBSes (avoiding long-distance calls) and possibly still not find what I'm looking for.
That sounds like what happened with Exec-PC down here. They offered internet access very early (to paid customers). They had to have made some decent money at the time. Though I don't think they got "swallowed up", but rather just eventually couldn't compete with the internet. The BBS itself looks like it's still around (bbs.execpc.com), but it seems to answer, display two lines of text (one being kernel 2.0.31 and the other saying "ExecPC BBS"), and then hangs up on you. So I'm guessing it was probably place on a server somewhere a long time ago and forgotten. lol
That sounds like what happened with Exec-PC down here. They offered
internet access very early (to paid customers). They had to have
made some decent mon at the time. Though I don't think they got
"swallowed up", but rather just eventually couldn't compete with
the internet. The BBS itself looks like it' still around
(bbs.execpc.com), but it seems to answer, display two lines of text
(one being kernel 2.0.31 and the other saying "ExecPC BBS"), and
then hangs up on you. So I'm guessing it was probably place on a
server somewhere long time ago and forgotten. lol
The ExecPC BBS is still working, I connect to it semi-regularly. It
does indeed sometimes do what you described, and not answer properly,
but most of the time it works fine. It hasn't been updated and is
"frozen in time" that way. Doors and messages don't work, but the
vast file areas are still accessible.
FWIW.
Lack of foresight.. One reason I started using the internet more than
BBSes back in the day was that the internet actually made it easier to
find information. I could search for it on the internet and usually
find something more up-to-date faster than I could by calling a bunch
of local BBSes (avoiding long-distance calls) and possibly still not
find what I'm looking for.
well, the web was a fun new thing. people were getting into it.
well, the web was a fun new thing. people were getting into it.
Does anyone remember the Internet adress books you could buy at places like barnes and nobel? it was like a phone directory for the web.
I just logged into it, and I'm surprised I remembered my password. I last called in 2004, apparently :)
The Door menu just hangs, the message base appears to be broken, and
the "Subscribe" feature doesn't actually seem to do anything (even
though it is listed as "Free"). When trying to access the "door"
system, I had to hangup to disconnect. when I re-connected, it did
what you described above.
The main execpc.com website redirects to CoreComm Internet Services,
Inc. which is apparently a company that still offers dialup access all throughout the US.
I'm not sure if you remember a BBS in the Milwauke area called "Mr. Homie's Neighborhood", but the Sysop used to live here in Appleton,
and it was the first BBS I ever called. I spent many hours on there
and was quite sad when he moved, as calling long distance wasn't in
the cards for me as a youngin'.
well, the web was a fun new thing. people were getting into it.
Does anyone remember the Internet adress books you could buy at places like barnes and nobel? it was like a phone directory for the web.
Re: Re: Social Media
By: Roadhog to MRO on Fri Dec 01 2017 23:38:33
well, the web was a fun new thing. people were getting into it.
Does anyone remember the Internet adress books you could buy at places like barnes and nobel? it was like a phone directory for the web.
I don't thinkmthat we had those here. However, I do remember using Juno to get free Internet connection at the cost of having an ad banner that got in the way. It used to be easy to close the ad, but they caught on. I think that they had a paid subscription as well.
Re: Re: Social Media
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Nov 30 2017 04:18 pm
I'm not so sure that BBSing died because sysops didn't see it coming, I just think the web took over. Everything you did on a BBS you could do the web, but with better graphics. Worldgroup and Excalibur software couldn't keep up, and those that played games moved on to things a bit more graphically intensive.
I generally agree. There were up-and-coming graphical BBS technologies at t time though, such as RIP and RoboBoard (from what I remember). But still, i seemed that internet software tended to be developed for GUI environments (v text environments such as DOS), and that helped with the more graphics-intensive nature of things like the web, etc. Plus it was generall easier to navigate things such as FTP with a graphical client vs. a text-bas client..
BBSes that offered some internet connectivity were cool and provided some us although I suppose it made more sense for users to connect to the internet directly.
Nightfox
Oh wow. I don't think I remember setting up a legit account there ever. Back in the day I do remember having access to a couple paid accounts to I could get on IRC, but that was about it. ;)
Yeah. I'm fairly certain it has been abandoned for quite some time. I think I tried contacting the admin there 5+ years ago to see if they wanted to reconnect to Fidonet, but never got a response so I left it alone.
The main execpc.com website redirects to CoreComm Internet Services,
Inc. which is apparently a company that still offers dialup access
all throughout the US.
Makes you wonder how far in the hole that company is, eh? ;)
Oddly enough, I don't remember that one. I didn't make it around to too many PD boards either. I did call quite a few underground boards (started with friends, then friends of friends, etc) back then, like (you'll like these names lol) Dragged out of the Morgue, Tomb of the Mutilated, Apartment 213, and Corrupted Society.. with a bunch of others I don't remember the names to off hand. The sysop of the last one had a few computers setup at his house that some of us would get together at and have DOOM lan parties. Most of us skated at the time too, so we'd go get into trouble in Milwaukee or Tosa. ;)
I used "The Data Exchange" which was the BBS up here that actually
saw the internet coming, for IRC. I was an op in #oldwarez on EFNet
for many years, and operated channel bots for them for awhile.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the thing is running and no one
actually knows about it.
Oh man, "Tomb of the Mutilated" is my favorite Cannibal Corpse album
:) There was one "underground" board here in Appleton, run by a kid I went to High School with. Other than that, I had to call long distance
for any "underground" BBSes, and it was just easier to get what I was looking for over IRC at that point. My friends and I did wind up
playing a lot of DOOM over dialup connections! I'm pretty sure my
parents would have murdered me if I tried to take my computer out of
the house for any sort of LAN party in the early 90's.
I just logged into it, and I'm surprised I remembered my password. I >Da> last called in 2004, apparently :)
Oh wow. I don't think I remember setting up a legit account there ever. Back in
the day I do remember having access to a couple paid accounts to I could get on
IRC, but that was about it. ;)
Seemed like what made dialup BBSs so fun was the close-knit community around them and the fact that (at least from late 70s - early 90s) your average person had no idea what they were and barely understood home computers. It was almost a private hobby amongst special computer users.
With the internet came the feeling that everyone was a computer expert. Your mom could get on America Online and tell her friends she "had the internet". Suddenly chat and email were things old people did.
When AOL allowed access to usenet the internet suddenly sank to a new low.
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I just logged into it, and I'm surprised I remembered my password. I DW>>Da> last called in 2004, apparently :)
Oh wow. I don't think I remember setting up a legit account there ever. Bac DW>>the day I do remember having access to a couple paid accounts to I could ge DW>>IRC, but that was about it. ;)
What is the dial up number for exec pc? Thought it might be good to have DW>one to test my modem with every now and then. AFAIK, all the other boards DW>I used to dial-up to are now gone or no longer offering dial-up. Thanks.
Very similar to what happened with Smart Phones. In the early 2000s Microsoft CE enabled phones dominated a small niche in the market place amongst what I would call power phone users. They didn't want to cary a palm pilot or PDA along with their phone.
You could RDP into your servers at work when on call using your HTC Hermes phone for example, and reboot them or address support issues. Meanwhile the rest of the word was tapping #'s on a phone multiple times to create simple two or 3 word texts.
I didn't do much admin stuff back then besides run my own BBS. I hung out in a lot of the art group channels on efnet, and was Blade senior staff (ansi coordinator) at one point, but that was about it. Had my run with m0p, grip, illness (modding group), and a few others at the time.
As for warez, we had a pretty big board down here called Ground Zero that I got most of that from. They had 2-3 lines with 56k modems which at the time was blazing fast. lol. I think I drew a few ansis for them or people they knew, and they loaded me up with download credits. ;)
I did see a guy on IRC a few years back just poking around that I used to hang with in those days. THAT was wierd. I think he came on a couple times and never came back again, so who knows what he was up to.
Oh wow. I don't think I remember setting up a legit account there
ever. Back in the day I do remember having access to a couple paid
accounts to I could get on IRC, but that was about it. ;)
What is the dial up number for exec pc? Thought it might be good to
have one to test my modem with every now and then. AFAIK, all the
other boards I used to dial-up to are now gone or no longer offering dial-up. Thanks.
One thing I've always been shit at is drawing ANSIs. I actually drew
one for my BBS last week that is probably the best I've ever done, and it's still shit. https://www.facebook.com/WarEnsembleBBS/photos/a.1583955755233461.1073 741827.15 69368946692142/1740332382929130/
I honestly want to find an artist to comission some custom work for my board someday.
well, the web was a fun new thing. people were getting into it.
Does anyone remember the Internet adress books you could buy at places like barnes and nobel? it was like a phone directory for the web.
Lack of foresight.. One reason I started using the internet more than
BBSes back in the day was that the internet actually made it easier to
find information. I could search for it on the internet and usually
well, the web was a fun new thing. people were getting into it.
bbses were still a good way to meet cool local people with the same interests are you.
finding stuff wasnt so easy before these great search engines.
Seemed like what made dialup BBSs so fun was the close-knit community around them and the fact that (at least from late 70s - early 90s) your average person had no idea what they were and barely understood home computers. It was almost a private hobby amongst special computer users.
With the internet came the feeling that everyone was a computer expert. Your mom could get on America Online and tell her friends she "had the internet". Suddenly chat and email were things old people did.
The social aspect of the BBS years was re-created through all the original subscription based internet offerings like AOL, and later all these new social media apps we deal with today.
It saddens me sometimes to think about where things are and it also makes me laugh that parents from the 70s who had no time/care for their kid's "computer hobby" take for granted today the things their kids tried to show them back then.
As for warez, we had a pretty big board down here called Ground Zero that I got most of that from. They had 2-3 lines with 56k modems which at the time was blazing fast. lol. I think I drew a few ansis for them or people they knew, and they loaded me up with download credits. ;)
One thing I've always been shit at is drawing ANSIs. I actually drew one
One thing I've always been shit at is drawing ANSIs. I actually drew on
I as well. I've never been much of an artist.
As for warez, we had a pretty big board down here called Ground Zero that I got most of that from. They had 2-3 lines with 56k modems which at the time was blazing fast. lol. I think I drew a few ansis for them or people they knew, and they loaded me up with download credits. ;)
I agree, and I liked that back then. It was easier to talk computers with other computer users because most computer users also knew computers fairly Yeah, although I don't think I felt like everyone became a computer expert. more people started using computers and the internet, there were a lot more people without much computer knowledge using them.
I got most of that from. They had 2-3 lines with 56k modems which at th time was blazing fast. lol. I think I drew a few ansis for them or peop they knew, and they loaded me up with download credits. ;)
With those 56k modems, I seem to remember the 56k was download-only (upload 33.6k or something), and I thought the server had to have special modems to
With those 56k modems, I seem to remember the 56k was download-only (upload was 33.6k or something), and I thought the server had to have special modems to enable 56k for users. Must have been interesting for the BBS to acquire those.
When I ran my original BBS in the 90s, I got a few callers sometimes saying they heard my BBS was a warez BBS and asking how to get access to it. My BBS wasn't a warez BBS, so I was always confused when they asked that, but later I wondered if they may have been from the police/FBI or something and looking for warez BBSes to bust.
I still have a notebook of all the old "phreak" and "hack" numbers and sites I had collected from about 1982-1986. Dial up systems for private companies like AB Dick, Zerox, Maryland Weather Satellite, even O'Hare Airport.
And yes I remember a few big onlie networks back in the day. In particular, The Source and Compu-Serve if I remember correctly. Also, a big thing was college campus networks. Some of them were so much fun because they were so different and experimental from normal bbs software. I remember a few you could actually write and run your own programs on.
The airport system was intersting because you could run calculations on fuel for flights. I had no idea half the time what I was logging into and didn't care... That's what made computers fun for me. Looking back it is incredible more people didn't get in trouble but I think security wasn't even an after thought back then.
Oh that was at the end of everything... In the beginning it was 110 or 300 baud modems. The BBS would appear to have been typed by hand to the screen by someone who could type 120wpm... When 1200 baud modems becaume the norm we thought the screen was painting INSTANTLY!
Of course then it was 2400, then 9600 and by that time file transfers were tolerable.
But in the 80s... ah the 80s....upgrades were pretty rare.
If your home computer offered a double sided disk and you started with cassette tape for storage, then wow what an upgrade. Especially if you could get TWO floppy disks... And they were Double Sided, Double Density!
56K was symmetrical but relied on clean telephone lines; I ran my BBS off an ISDN line, which was digital to the central office on my side - that eliminated half of the possible noise on the line.
I'd get 56K and 53K connects to the BBS frequently.
Every once in a while I get someone asking for 1337 access, and I tell them they already have it. I used to have a "(e)lite filez" menu option that either went to the files section or hung up, depending on my mood at the time.
Re: Social Media
By: Nightfox to Accession on Mon Dec 04 2017 10:09 am
With those 56k modems, I seem to remember the 56k was download-only (upload was 33.6k or something), and I thought the server had to have special modems to enable 56k for users. Must have been interesting for the BBS to acquire those.
56K was symmetrical but relied on clean telephone lines; I ran my BBS off an ISDN line, which was digital to the central office on my side - that eliminated half of the possible noise on the line.
I'd get 56K and 53K connects to the BBS frequently.
Wait, it didn't click with me until I saw someone else reply to it.
was Ground Zero run by a guy named Adambomb? If so, we're talking
about the same underground BBS, it's possible he moved to Milwaukee in
'94 or '95... I was in a few classes with the guy who ran it.
He ran Telegard IIRC.
I'd get 56K and 53K connects to the BBS frequently.
Really? I'm pretty sure two consumer V.90 (and V.92) modems could not connect to each other over residential phone lines at higher than a 33.6K rate. The ISPs (and I suppose some huge BBSes could have) had special lines and modems to support 56K connections. Here's a rather low-tech explanation:
Re: Social Media
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 05 2017 12:54 pm
I'd get 56K and 53K connects to the BBS frequently.
Really? I'm pretty sure two consumer V.90 (and V.92) modems could not connect to each other over residential phone lines at higher than a 33.6K rate. The ISPs (and I suppose some huge BBSes could have) had special lines and modems to support 56K connections. Here's a rather low-tech explanation:
i had one guy that could connect to me faster than 33.6
i'm not sure if that was an error with how our modems communicated or what.
Re: Re: Social Media
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Tue Dec 05 2017 07:53 am
I still have a notebook of all the old "phreak" and "hack" numbers and sites I had collected from about 1982-1986. Dial up systems for private companies like AB Dick, Zerox, Maryland Weather Satellite, even O'Hare Airport.
You gotta publish that somewhere!
I remember the movie "War Games", which came out in 1983, about a high school
kid who hacked into a government supercomputer and found a program called Global Thermonuclear War, and he thought it was a game but almost caused an international war. And I just also remembered a scene in Ferris Bueller's Day
Off (also starring Matthew Broderick) where he used a computer at home to hack
into his high school computer system to change his grades. I imagine they probably did think about security back then. And in the past few years, I've
taken a couple of software security classes which have mentioned some ways people have used to hack software, but compilers and operating systems have long since added ways to prevent the kind of hacks they mentioned in those classes - Mainly simple things like taking advantage of the C printf() function
to print data in memory, manipulating the stack, etc..
I think upgrades were more significant back then. Another example was processor upgrades - Going from a 286 to a 386, or a 386 to 486 etc. usually meant a fairly significant and noticeable speed upgrade (wow, it was SO much faster!). These days, computers are so fast that you can't immediately tell that you're using a faster computer when you upgrade. That's especially true
when modern processors often slow down to save power when the computer isn't loaded with tasks.
Yep. And it seems that not too long ago, many people were really weary of things like dating/matchmaking sites, but it seems that a lot of people are meeting their future spouses that way these days.
Slow down over time... That NEVER happened with the original home computers.
2. I wrote a prank dialer around that time which would let you set a time of day to start, and 10 phone number to dial, select a com port, and whether or not you wanted the modem speaker on or off. Lastly, the number of loops to dial.
When you ran it, it would count down until it reached that date/time then start dialing. I would dial the first number, wait 3 rings, then disconnect and dial the next, for the # of loops you specified. I would listen to people answer the phone "hello? Hello? Who's there" and laugh my 14 yo a55 off...
So I got the idea to port the code from TI extended basic to Commodore 64 basic, and my friend and I ran our programs together, set to start 30 seconds apart on the same day...
The numbers in our lists were the pay phones on the 1st and 2nd floors of our highschool.
Oh how funny it was when my program dialed the first pay phone, rang three times and hung up then hit the next, while his program called the first. Leap froggging all the phones... You could hear it all down the hallways.
I was so proud.
Seems really stupid and juvenile today, but back then, we were on cloud nine THAT is when computers where fun...
I think upgrades were more significant back then. Another example was
processor upgrades - Going from a 286 to a 386, or a 386 to 486 etc.
yeah but I'm talking before anyone even had 286's... 8088's weren't even the norm yet. There was no such thing as a processor upgrade for a TI, Commodore, Apple II, Vic20, Timex Sinclair, TRS80, Atari 400... Not that I can think of.
I find it funny that in the days of 286, 386, 486 DX2/66, etc I think stuff ran about as fast then as it does now.
In today's day an age, everything should be instantaneous, given the massive increase in everything from disk to memory to cpu.... Yet, most computers are bloated.
Slow down over time... That NEVER happened with the original home computers.
Yep. And it seems that not too long ago, many people were really weary of things like dating/matchmaking sites, but it seems that a lot of people are meeting their future spouses that way these days.
Or future hook-ups. :) You bring up a good point, though. Seems like dating sites had a stigma attached to them that they do not have now, and
it was not that long ago that was true.
Even with a PC, upgrading to a new generation of processor often meant also getting a whole new motherboard or even new PC, since motherboards typically only supported one type of processor. Unless you were just upgrading from a slower 386 to a faster 386, for instance.
I overclocked a 286 by removing and re-soldering in a new clock crystal, and thought I was pretty hackish. Double the clock speed!
Back in the XT days, swapping out the Intel 8088 for a NEC V20 was a great upgrade, and a math coprocessor would help with compiling.
Must have been safe to do if that was successful. I remember CPUs back then didn't even need a heat sink, typically. I think Intel/AMD started recommending/including heat sinks with their CPUs with the fast 486 CPUs and Pentiums (and equivalent).
all those people on dating sites are already in a relationship and they're there to cheat. and they're on all the other sites too.
I'd get 56K and 53K connects to the BBS frequently.
Really? I'm pretty sure two consumer V.90 (and V.92) modems could not connec to each other over residential phone lines at higher than a 33.6K rate. The ISPs (and I suppose some huge BBSes could have) had special lines and modems support 56K connections. Here's a rather low-tech explanation:
i had a 486sx computer AND a pentium 100 computer with no heat sinks.
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i had a 486sx computer AND a pentium 100 computer with no heat sinks.
Yep. And it seems that not too long ago, many people were really
weary of things like dating/matchmaking sites, but it seems that a lot
of people are meeting their future spouses that way these days.
Yep. And it seems that not too long ago, many people were really
weary of things like dating/matchmaking sites, but it seems that a lot
of people are meeting their future spouses that way these days.
That's what the TV commercial says anyway.
Yep. And it seems that not too long ago, many people were really
weary of things like dating/matchmaking sites, but it seems that a lot
of people are meeting their future spouses that way these days.
That's what the TV commercial says anyway.
There is also that. :) I do know some people who have met that way and, last I saw them, they were still married. Of course, I probably know just as many people who have reconnected over facebook, etc., and started a relationship, and at least one or two that have met their current spouse
via one of the International "mail order bride" companies.
i had a 486sx computer AND a pentium 100 computer with no heat sinks.
Pretty sure I had a P90 that also didn't. It was not the best computer, though. I bought it pretty cheap just for the HD and some other parts. :)
I thought the P90 or maybe a little faster was around when they started heat sinks with the Pentiums. Those must have gotten pretty hot without a heat sink.
I thought the P90 or maybe a little faster was around when they started heat sinks with the Pentiums. Those must have gotten pretty hot without a heat sink.
I thought the P90 or maybe a little faster was around when they started heat sinks with the Pentiums. Those must have gotten pretty hot without a heat sink.
Like I said, it was not a great PC. I think it was a compaq. At that
time, they were putting some of the essential parts on a daughterboard, making their machines not so compatable with everyone else's. But the HD, floppy, CD-ROM, and a few of the other cards were salvageable.
I thought the P90 or maybe a little faster was around when they
started heat sinks with the Pentiums. Those must have gotten pretty
hot without a heat sink.
486es had heat sinks. Pentiums started with fans/heat sinks, if memory serves.
Re: Social Media
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 09 2017 09:42 pm
I thought the P90 or maybe a little faster was around when they started heat sinks with the Pentiums. Those must have gotten pretty hot without a heat sink.
486es had heat sinks. Pentiums started with fans/heat sinks, if memory serves.
Like I said, it was not a great PC. I think it was a compaq. At that
time, they were putting some of the essential parts on a daughterboard, making their machines not so compatable with everyone else's.
I never understood that trend -- daughterboards that jutted out of a slot on the motherboard didn't seem like much of a space savings. Motherboards didn't have modems or ethernet for the most part, so I guess they were needed.
Re: Social Media
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 11 2017 04:57 pm
I never understood that trend -- daughterboards that jutted out of a slot on the motherboard didn't seem like much of a space savings. Motherboards didn't have modems or ethernet for the most part, so I guess they were needed.
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
Re: Social Media
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 11 2017 04:57 pm
I never understood that trend -- daughterboards that jutted out of a slot on the motherboard didn't seem like much of a space savings. Motherboards didn't have modems or ethernet for the most part, so I guess they were needed.
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
A lot of software (games in particular) implemented timing mechanisms so tha the rate of gameplay would be the same even on processors of different speed I remember really old games (from the 80s) that didn't haveany timing contro
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different
and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy
parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
That was certainly Apple's strategy. But with the big PC and Server guys, I really think they're trying to make a better mouse trap (usually) and not force vendor-lock-in. Most big PC and server buyers are aware of that. There's been the occasional attempt (e.g. MCA, Rambus, etc.), but they always lose.
I remember some pc's had a turbo button back in the day to jump from say 8mhz to 12mhz. That always made me laugh.
I never understood that trend -- daughterboards that jutted out of
a slot on the motherboard didn't seem like much of a space
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different
and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy
parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
no, they just let the engineers run wild and do whatever.
they werent meant to be upgraded, but i dont think they were trying
to outright prevent modifications.
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
Re: Social Media
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Dec 11 2017 09:35 pm
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different
and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy
parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
That was certainly Apple's strategy. But with the big PC and Server guys, I really think they're trying to make a better mouse trap (usually) and not force vendor-lock-in. Most big PC and server buyers are aware of that. There's been the occasional attempt (e.g. MCA, Rambus, etc.), but they always lose.
I haven't heard a whole lot about what Apple is doing with servers these days.
In the past couple years, I had heard that Apple had started doing things like soldering the RAM into their Mac Mini and possibly other PCs so that you couldn't even upgrade the RAM. But more recently I heard they're planning to start making the RAM upgradeable again.
I never understood that trend -- daughterboards that jutted out of a slot on >the motherboard didn't seem like much of a space savings. Motherboards didn't >have modems or ethernet for the most part, so I guess they were needed.
I still lump them into those weird case designs around 2000. All of the HP >Pavilions and Compaq Presarios (bizzarios?) that had CD holders on the top, >spring-loaded covers over the optical drive bays, speakers that hung off of the
monitor, and branded, color-coordinated keyboards/mice...
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
That was certainly Apple's strategy. But with the big PC and
Server guys, I really think they're trying to make a better mouse
trap (usually) and not force vendor-lock-in. Most big PC and
server buyers are aware of that. There's been the occasional
attempt (e.g. MCA, Rambus, etc.), but they always lose.
I haven't heard a whole lot about what Apple is doing with servers
these days.
In the past couple years, I had heard that Apple had started doing
things like soldering the RAM into their Mac Mini and possibly other
PCs so that you couldn't even upgrade the RAM. But more recently I
heard they're planning to start making the RAM upgradeable again.
I meant Apple in general, not specifically servers.
Re: Social Media
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 11 2017 07:01 pm
I often thought it was an attempt to keep their PC designs different and proprietary so if you wanted to upgrade them, you'd have to buy parts direct from the PC maker (at inflated prices).
They were *different*. Remember that Packard Bell that had a "corner case"?
Re: Social Media
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Dec 07 2017 12:29 pm
Must have been safe to do if that was successful. I remember CPUs back then didn't even need a heat sink, typically. I think Intel/AMD started recommending/including heat sinks with their CPUs with the fast 486 CPUs and Pentiums (and equivalent).
i had a 486sx computer AND a pentium 100 computer with no heat sinks.wait a sec, a P100 with no heat sink ? I know for a fact from personal experience those dx2 dished out a lot of heat. P100 should be even more... so no heat sink on those P100...you sure ?
wait a sec, a P100 with no heat sink ? I know for a fact from personal experience those dx2 dished out a lot of heat. P100 should be even more... so no heat sink on those P100...you sure ?
Re: Social Media
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 05 2017 12:54 pm
I'd get 56K and 53K connects to the BBS frequently.
Really? I'm pretty sure two consumer V.90 (and V.92) modems could not connec to each other over residential phone lines at higher than a 33.6K rate. The ISPs (and I suppose some huge BBSes could have) had special lines and modems support 56K connections. Here's a rather low-tech explanation:
I was a sysadmin for a local ISP in the mid-90's. In order to support 56k dial-in, we used a box from USR called "Total Control NetServer" that was basically a card cage that was filled with cards that had ?? modems per
card (8? I don't recall.). The system was fed by two PRI circuits, which was basically a 23 or 24 channel digital phone line. The NetServers cost
an astronomical amount at the time. I keep thinking $250k, but that may just be my fading memory. We had two of those things and could feed close to 100 dial-in customers with them. We also had a pile of analog modems as well. Fun times. :)
g.
you know, I met my wife at kick boxing. Punched her in the face while she was looking at my crotch, made her bleed, received 200 push ups that night and i'veYep. And it seems that not too long ago, many people were really
weary of things like dating/matchmaking sites, but it seems that a lot
of people are meeting their future spouses that way these days.
or you can go in your bios and change the multiplier and such instead.A lot of software (games in particular) implemented timing mechanisms so tha the rate of gameplay would be the same even on processors of different speed I remember really old games (from the 80s) that didn't haveany timing controah yes, who doesn't remember "slowdown.exe" to make those games playable again.
I haven't heard a whole lot about what Apple is doing with servers these days.There going to be busy releasing a pc with a xeon W 8-10 core processor with 32
By: Bigbangnet to MRO on Wed Dec 13 2017 04:32 pmWould loved to do some benchmark and do some temperature test at that time hehe
wait a sec, a P100 with no heat sink ? I know for a fact from personal experience those dx2 dished out a lot of heat. P100 should be even more... so no heat sink on those P100...you sure ?yeah, i'm sure. it had nothing for a heat sink to mount on either.
yeah, it got hot but it managed.
Would loved to do some benchmark and do some temperature test at that time heheexperience those dx2 dished out a lot of heat. P100 should be even more... so no heat sink on those P100...you sure ?yeah, i'm sure. it had nothing for a heat sink to mount on either.
yeah, it got hot but it managed.
Man I would of loved to see some pictures of a room like that. Makes me think of a guy in the 90`s with a BBS which had dozens of PC`s running his BBS and was able to accept multiple users at the same time. It was amazing when we were able to chat all together.
Man I would of loved to see some pictures of a room like that. Makes me thin of a guy in the 90`s with a BBS which had dozens of PC`s running his BBS and was able to accept multiple users at the same time. It was amazing when we w able to chat all together.
Re: Re: Social Media
By: Nelgin to All on Wed Nov 29 2017 10:09 am
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:52:24 -0600, "MRO" <mro@VERT/BBSESINF> wrote:
i finally saw the father i never met thanks to facebook. and i spied on his >pics and i'm glad i didnt know him!
i have helped people find long lost friends and relatives on the internet, and >sometimes facebook comes into play with that.
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As part of my genealogy research, I've been able to connect cousins in England and Australia thanks to Facebook, and been connected to many
more who have been able to provide additional and more accurate information. It has its uses.
you have to use the tools that are avaliable. part of the reason bbsing tanked in the 90s is because sysops refused to realize that the internet was becoming prominent.
could actually be done. To be honest at first internet usage was like a bbs. Remember AOL? Now things have come full circle. The internet is becoming extremely regulated, and there is no right to privacy.
extremely regulated, and there is no right to privacy. That means a return to the BBS style of online connecting. I think we need to take BBS and its ability to use tcip and phone modems to bring back online souvernty.
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