• Re: Validation emails - worth it?

    From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Vk3jed on Tuesday, July 04, 2017 21:12:50
    Re: Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Vk3jed to jagossel on Wed Jul 05 2017 08:38:00

    I was thinking about this the other day: how in the world did I make it past validation. If I can recall correctly, I signed up onto your BBS late at night, fell asleep in the middle of the sign up process, and might have left some jibberish; or was it that I disconnected too quickly at some point... I don't remember.

    Sure you didn't get dumped for inactivity, or do you sleep type? :D

    It could be the case that I got booted off, I don't remember. :)

    -jag
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to jagossel on Wednesday, July 05, 2017 12:52:00
    jagossel wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sure you didn't get dumped for inactivity, or do you sleep type? :D

    It could be the case that I got booted off, I don't remember. :)

    Haha, guess you wouldn't. ;)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to jagossel on Wednesday, July 05, 2017 09:33:30
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: jagossel to KK4QBN on Tue Jul 04 2017 06:36 am

    I think that having E-Mail validation will help filter out people who cannot figure out how to use a BBS (or learn to get help via documentation or other users), and gives the SysOp an opportunity to filter out any potientially problemactic users. It might even give the SysOps an opportunity to find out, in more detail, where the user came from and why they are signing up for that BBS.

    I used to have a questionnaire that would run on new user signup that would ask things like where they found the BBS, etc.. I had set up that questionnaire for my Synchronet BBS, but I don't think Synchronet has been running that questionnaire for quite a while (or perhaps I deleted the questionnaire and forgot).

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Deepthaw on Friday, July 07, 2017 14:10:09
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Deepthaw to All on Mon Jul 03 2017 07:43 pm

    My BBS has only been accepting callers for a week or two, but I've noticed between a third or half of users seem to get to the part where they have to write me an email, then disconnect.

    Is the verification email too big a hurdle in this hectic world? Or is it possible people can't figure out how to actually save/send the message and just hang up out of frustration?

    I may change my new user email to be a *lot* shorter and really just say "Hey, tell me how you found this place. Ctrl-Z to finish."

    Test your new user sign-up process and make sure there isn't something difficult or unexpected (like a non-functional default message editor).

    digital man

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Kirkman on Friday, July 07, 2017 23:17:47
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Kirkman to Deepthaw on Tue Jul 04 2017 08:26 pm

    I think validation emails had their place back in the day, but I don't really see the need now.

    + makes sure the user isnt a bot
    + extra 'wall' that wannabe hackers usually dont want to go through
    + makes it easier for the user to remember their password

    email validation just works well to keep out
    a lot of bad people.

    i have been doing it for 17 years and i dont regret it. it works.
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Saturday, July 08, 2017 09:22:59
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Nightfox to jagossel on Wed Jul 05 2017 09:33 am

    I used to have a questionnaire that would run on new user signup that would ask things like where they found the BBS, etc.. I had set up that questionnaire for my Synchronet BBS, but I don't think Synchronet has been running that questionnaire for quite a while (or perhaps I deleted the questionnaire and forgot).

    That probably dates back to the "You're calling on my phone line into my house" mindset of the dial-up era. Didn't make sense then, surely doesn't make sense now.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Poindexter Fortran on Saturday, July 08, 2017 10:19:12
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 09:22 am

    I used to have a questionnaire that would run on new user signup
    that would ask things like where they found the BBS, etc.. I had set

    That probably dates back to the "You're calling on my phone line into my house" mindset of the dial-up era. Didn't make sense then, surely doesn't make sense now.

    I'm not sure why a new-user questionnaire wouldn't make sense..? It probably depends on what questions you'd have in th equestionnaire.. I was mainly curious where people heard about my BBS so I'd know what advertising was working best. And I think I also had a question about what terminal software they're using - I've noticed that different terminal software can have its own quirks, and some corner case features might work well with one terminal program but not another.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Saturday, July 08, 2017 15:11:16
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Jul 08 2017 10:19 am

    I'm not sure why a new-user questionnaire wouldn't make sense..? It

    Not many people would fill out a questioair these day's
    If BBS'ing became popular again like in it's hey day maybe.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn Gray on Saturday, July 08, 2017 16:48:59
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 03:11 pm

    I'm not sure why a new-user questionnaire wouldn't make sense..? It

    Not many people would fill out a questioair these day's
    If BBS'ing became popular again like in it's hey day maybe.

    BBSes these days still ask for things like the user's handle, their preferred password, their email address, etc.. A questionnaire is basically a way for the sysop to configure additional information to request from the user. Since a BBS already asks a few basic questions, I'm not sure it would do any harm to have a few additional questions in the form of a questionnaire.

    Nightfox

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  • From Kirkman@VERT/GUARDIAN to Mro on Saturday, July 08, 2017 21:18:41
    + makes sure the user isnt a bot
    + extra 'wall' that wannabe hackers usually dont want to go through
    + makes it easier for the user to remember their password

    I don't see how a validation email helps a user remember their password.

    As for the hackers and bots, I think the nature of BBSes is enough to keep those out. Before a new user even gets to the validation email, they will have had to select "Apply for new account" on the main menu, filled out a handle, filled out a password, and supplied any other info the BBS demands.

    email validation just works well to keep out a lot of bad people.
    i have been doing it for 17 years and i dont regret it. it works.

    I think it works well to keep out people, period. Not just bad people.

    It had its place years ago, but, again, I don't see a compelling case for it today. Just another roadblock in a hobby that needs more people.

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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Saturday, July 08, 2017 19:03:33
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Nightfox to Denn Gray on Sat Jul 08 2017 04:48 pm

    not sure it would do any harm to have a few additional questions in the form of a questionnaire.

    No harm but most new users don't or won't take the time to do it.
    Most people that log into BBS's these day's are us older guys that are looking for a little nostalgia.
    I like BBS'ing better than Facbook, I deleted my facebook several years ago.
    I had all but forgotten about BBS's till I googled BBS a few years back, I then loged onto a few and decided to throw one up on my VPS, then bought a PI and moved it to my house, then bought my thin client that is on a vesa mount on the backside of my 24" monitor.
    I ran the original outwest BBS from 1993 to 1997.
    before that My brother and myself ran the CoCoshop BBS from 88 to 90 on a Color Computer 2.
    Back then it cost allot to run a BBS with a single pots line.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn Gray on Saturday, July 08, 2017 20:27:51
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2017 07:03 pm

    I like BBS'ing better than Facbook, I deleted my facebook several years ago. I had all but forgotten about BBS's till I googled BBS a few years back, I then loged onto a few and decided to throw one up on my VPS, then

    These days, when I Google BBS, I usually end up getting more links to BBS wheels for cars rather than bulletin board systems.. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Kirkman on Sunday, July 09, 2017 00:39:31
    Re: Validation emails - worth it?
    By: Kirkman to Mro on Sat Jul 08 2017 09:18 pm

    + extra 'wall' that wannabe hackers usually dont want to go through
    + makes it easier for the user to remember their password

    I don't see how a validation email helps a user remember their password.


    mine sends them their password.
    As for the hackers and bots, I think the nature of BBSes is enough to keep those out. Before a new user even gets to the validation email, they will have had to select "Apply for new account" on the main menu, filled out a handle, filled out a password, and supplied any other info the BBS demands.


    there are actual human beings who sign up for bbses with the intent of exploiting them or compromising them.

    email validation just works well to keep out a lot of bad people.
    i have been doing it for 17 years and i dont regret it. it works.

    I think it works well to keep out people, period. Not just bad people.

    well i have more years of doing this and more bbses under my belt than you do. you can do something like validation and make it pretty painless.

    the proof is in the pudding and i have almost 2 decades of proof here.
    i still get multiple signups every day.

    It had its place years ago, but, again, I don't see a compelling case for it today. Just another roadblock in a hobby that needs more people.

    it has an even bigger place in today's age. bbsing is dead, people dont want what we have to offer. THAT is the problem. going around and saying 'hey i'm retro, come visit' doesnt do jack shit but get someone to visit you once to never return again.
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