• ANSI messages

    From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to All on Saturday, May 07, 2016 16:07:50
    Can ANSI images be sent through DOVEnet? How can one go about posting an ANSI in one of the message forums with the default editors that come with Synchronet?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Saturday, May 07, 2016 19:33:23
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Patch to All on Sat May 07 2016 04:07 pm

    Can ANSI images be sent through DOVEnet? How can one go about posting an ANSI in one of the message forums with the default editors that come with Synchronet?

    Before posting, hit Ctrl-Z to enter raw input mode, then when posting use the "ASCII upload" feature of your terminal program to send the text (or ANSI) file.

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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Patch on Saturday, May 07, 2016 22:47:00
    -=[ On 05-07-16 16:07, Patch wrote to All below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: ANSI messages ]=-

    Hi Patch!

    Can ANSI images be sent through DOVEnet? How can one go about posting
    an ANSI in one of the message forums with the default editors that come with Synchronet?
    I think so, but most people just strip those codes as some can't display ANSI characters properly. I don't even bother :)

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Digital Man on Sunday, May 08, 2016 13:20:31
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Sat May 07 2016 07:33 pm

    Before posting, hit Ctrl-Z to enter raw input mode, then when posting use the "ASCII upload" feature of your terminal program to send the text (or ANSI) file.

    Awesome, thanks for that!! =)

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Patch on Sunday, May 08, 2016 18:24:32
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Sun May 08 2016 01:20 pm


    Before posting, hit Ctrl-Z to enter raw input mode, then when posting
    use the "ASCII upload" feature of your terminal program to send the text (or ANSI) file.

    Awesome, thanks for that!! =)


    They might not show up well for people using other bbs softwares, though.
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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Mro on Sunday, May 08, 2016 19:16:45
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Mro to Patch on Sun May 08 2016 06:24 pm

    They might not show up well for people using other bbs softwares, though.
    so be careful.

    Hmm... good point.

    Just looking to promote the creative side of the community by posting ANSI art in the forums.

    Bugger... good point though.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Patch on Sunday, May 08, 2016 23:18:44
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Patch to Mro on Sun May 08 2016 07:16 pm

    They might not show up well for people using other bbs softwares,
    though. so be careful.

    Hmm... good point.

    Just looking to promote the creative side of the community by posting ANSI art in the forums.


    yeah i used to do that but it pissed people off. mystic bbs doesnt
    like it especially.
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Patch on Sunday, May 08, 2016 21:50:00
    On 05/08/16, Patch said the following...

    Just looking to promote the creative side of the community by posting ANSI in the forums.

    Go ahead. My software supports ansi so I'm good.. :)

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all covered one way or another.

    Ttyl :-),
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Mro on Sunday, May 08, 2016 21:55:00
    On 05/08/16, Mro said the following...

    yeah i used to do that but it pissed people off. mystic bbs doesnt
    like it especially.

    Mystic displays ansi just fine. I dunno why it would piss anybody off.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Al on Monday, May 09, 2016 20:23:00
    Al wrote to Patch <=-

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk
    packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all
    covered one way or another.

    Yes, Multimail displays ANSI well. I use that feature quite frequently. :)


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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Mro on Monday, May 09, 2016 07:56:20
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Mro to Patch on Sun May 08 2016 11:18 pm

    yeah i used to do that but it pissed people off. mystic bbs doesnt
    like it especially.

    I guess I can understand, but the 'BBS scene' was also about ANSI art. At least it was in my neck of the woods.

    Any chance that DoveNet would consider hosting an ANSI message base that people can opt-in and out of?


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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Al on Monday, May 09, 2016 07:57:26
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Al to Patch on Sun May 08 2016 09:50 pm

    Go ahead. My software supports ansi so I'm good.. :)

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all covered one way or another.

    Interesting to know.

    I'm wondering if maybe DoveNet would consider adding an ANSI Art message board for those that want to show off what they used to do, and even see how some folks are doing it these days.

    Just an idea.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Monday, May 09, 2016 07:58:51
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Patch to Mro on Mon May 09 2016 07:56 am

    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Mro to Patch on Sun May 08 2016 11:18 pm

    yeah i used to do that but it pissed people off. mystic bbs doesnt
    like it especially.

    I guess I can understand, but the 'BBS scene' was also about ANSI art. At least it was in my neck of the woods.

    Any chance that DoveNet would consider hosting an ANSI message base that people can opt-in and out of?

    Historically, many of the ads in the "Advertisements" area contained extended-ASCII ("graphics") characters and color sequences, commonly referred to as "ANSI", though for optimal compatibility (e.g. with non-ANSI terminals), Ctrl-A codes could be used instead of raw ANSI escape sequences.

    digital man

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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to AL on Monday, May 09, 2016 08:16:00
    AL wrote to PATCH <=-

    Just looking to promote the creative side of the community by posting ANSI in the forums.

    Go ahead. My software supports ansi so I'm good.. :)

    Yes, but not all software does. :)

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk
    packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all
    covered one way or another.

    Hmm, I don't think I've ever been able to get it to display ANSI
    messages here. :(

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to ROBERT WOLFE on Monday, May 09, 2016 14:09:00
    On 05/09/16, ROBERT WOLFE said the following...

    Go ahead. My software supports ansi so I'm good.. :)

    Yes, but not all software does. :)

    That's a bummer I know.

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all covered one way or another.

    Hmm, I don't think I've ever been able to get it to display ANSI
    messages here. :(

    If you read an msg with ansi pressing "V" in multimail will display the
    message in an ansi msg viewer. Very nice for folks on bbs software that
    doesn't support ansi so well.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Monday, May 09, 2016 17:10:57
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Al to Patch on Sun May 08 2016 09:50 pm

    Go ahead. My software supports ansi so I'm good.. :)

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all covered one way


    it's not about being ansi capable; it's the way everything formats
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Al on Monday, May 09, 2016 17:11:30
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Al to Mro on Sun May 08 2016 09:55 pm

    On 05/08/16, Mro said the following...

    yeah i used to do that but it pissed people off. mystic bbs doesnt like it especially.

    Mystic displays ansi just fine. I dunno why it would piss anybody off.

    Ttyl :-),


    are you sure about that? when it's synchronet -> mystic ?
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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Digital Man on Monday, May 09, 2016 16:31:18
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Mon May 09 2016 07:58 am

    Historically, many of the ads in the "Advertisements" area contained extended-ASCII ("graphics") characters and color sequences, commonly referred to as "ANSI", though for optimal compatibility (e.g. with non-ANSI terminals), Ctrl-A codes could be used instead of raw ANSI escape sequences.

    That would be correct. I love history lessons. =)

    So what would be the process of pre-existing ANSI graphics and convert them to use the Ctrl-A instead?


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to ROBERT WOLFE on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 07:59:00
    ROBERT WOLFE wrote to AL <=-

    Other folks on less ansi capable bbs software could download a qwk
    packet and multimail will display that ansi just fine, so were all
    covered one way or another.

    Hmm, I don't think I've ever been able to get it to display ANSI
    messages here. :(

    Hit "V" when reading an ANSI message.

    <ESC> will get you out of the ANSI viewer.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Patch on Monday, May 09, 2016 18:22:15
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Mon May 09 2016 04:31 pm

    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Mon May 09 2016 07:58 am

    Historically, many of the ads in the "Advertisements" area contained extended-ASCII ("graphics") characters and color sequences, commonly referred to as "ANSI", though for optimal compatibility (e.g. with non-ANSI terminals), Ctrl-A codes could be used instead of raw ANSI escape sequences.

    That would be correct. I love history lessons. =)

    So what would be the process of pre-existing ANSI graphics and convert them to use the Ctrl-A instead?

    This works for non-animated ANSI files:
    http://wiki.synchro.net/util:ans2asc

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Digital Man on Monday, May 09, 2016 20:36:15
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Digital Man to Patch on Mon May 09 2016 06:22 pm

    This works for non-animated ANSI files:
    http://wiki.synchro.net/util:ans2asc

    On my way there now, thank you sir!


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  • From Mickey@VERT/OXFORDMI to Patch on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 20:12:38
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Patch to Digital Man on Mon May 09 2016 04:31 pm


    So what would be the process of pre-existing ANSI graphics and convert them
    to
    use the Ctrl-A instead?


    I've fiddled with ANSI signatures but some folks get there shorts in a twist. :-)


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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to Mickey on Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:27:42
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: Mickey to Patch on Tue May 10 2016 08:12 pm

    I've fiddled with ANSI signatures but some folks get there shorts in a twist. :-)

    Which is what I'd like to avoid. =)

    Another reason to ask if there is anyone else interested in an ANSI Art networked message board for the sake of the original artwork display?

    No offense against Ctrl-A, I've tried it on a few of my ANSI's from 'the day', but I guess there's a bit of me that wants to preserve the way it was then, while we use the methods and technology of 'now' to do that in.

    Yes, I'm nostalgic .... and a nerd. It's part of the 12-step recovery process. =)


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  • From ALLEN PRUNTY@VERT/LIVEWIRE to PATCH on Monday, May 16, 2016 02:20:00
    I guess I can understand, but the 'BBS scene' was also about ANSI art. At least it was in my neck of the woods.

    Any chance that DoveNet would consider hosting an ANSI message base that people
    can opt-in and out of?

    The network that had the ANSI messages was GT Power. It's BBS network
    did not store the messages in a database. Each individual message was a
    text file that had a header in the first few lines of each message. the
    rest was pretty much an ANSI file.

    Most ansi messages would break the message bases that store messages in
    a database... or the software would munge the ANSI message as it stored
    them.

    I'm not so certain that Synchro is set up to do ansi in message bases.

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  • From Patch@VERT/R2LOTW to ALLEN PRUNTY on Monday, May 16, 2016 08:51:29
    Re: ANSI messages
    By: ALLEN PRUNTY to PATCH on Mon May 16 2016 02:20 am

    The network that had the ANSI messages was GT Power. It's BBS network
    did not store the messages in a database. Each individual message was a text file that had a header in the first few lines of each message. the rest was pretty much an ANSI file.

    Most ansi messages would break the message bases that store messages in
    a database... or the software would munge the ANSI message as it stored them.

    I'm confused ... are you referring to the network messae areas that were with the original BBS systems in the 90's?

    I know that the official WWIV and the network that I hosted on my WWIV system had ANSI message bases and handled it well.

    Did I misunderstand you?!



    I'm not so certain that Synchro is set up to do ansi in message bases.

    It may not be ... I know that there is a configuration option to allow ANSI in a message forum, just was wondering if there was one base that had that toggled for the display of artwork.


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  • From ALLEN PRUNTY@VERT/LIVEWIRE to PATCH on Monday, May 16, 2016 01:25:00
    I know that the official WWIV and the network that I hosted on my WWIV system
    had ANSI message bases and handled it well.

    WWIV was the exception not the rule. MOST bbs softwares out there would
    break the ansi with bad CRLF problem.

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TCP to Allen Prunty on Friday, May 20, 2016 16:59:45
    WWIV was the exception not the rule. MOST bbs softwares out there would break the ansi with bad CRLF problem.

    I had always assumed that all BBS platforms could display ANSI. Especially since it was so huge back in the day.

    WWIVnet had the famous "ANSI Art Gallery" sub which would get loads of posts daily of all ANSI artwork.

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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLT to WEATHERMAN on Friday, May 20, 2016 19:02:00
    Mark,

    I had always assumed that all BBS platforms could display ANSI. Especially W>since it was so huge back in the day.

    Michael Arnett and so many others were "ANSI experts". For a
    short time, OutWorld Arts had artpacks of ANSI and RIP Graphics, and I
    have those in the ANSI and RIP Graphics files area on the BBS.

    WWIVnet had the famous "ANSI Art Gallery" sub which would get loads of posts W>daily of all ANSI artwork.

    GT Power software had a door called "The Smile Door", which benefitted
    the "Make A Kid Smile" project, so many of the ANSI screens in there
    were "proprietary". But, some of them were also animated, and could play
    music through the PC's speaker.

    I don't think any of the doors' original door authors are still
    around, but I don't know if I could do a workaround or not to make it
    run under SBBS or not.

    Daryl

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