trying this again, resurrecting a hobby.

Did this sysop stuff back when phone lines were all the rage and a secret
modem account at the local university was access to European art and music groups.

Back when the local computer user group would demo the latest rage in 'high definition' audio for the PC, the Pro Audio Spectrum 16... and we talked
about breaking tech that would soon allow a full freaking megabyte of
storage on a chip the size of your fingernail.

I toyed with earlier linux versions of SBBS, but those were old systems in
my basement that eventually we re-commissioned for the early years for my
kids.

Last week I realized I had a vm and a few IP's I wasn't using, so I pulled
the latest source for SBBS and kicked it.

The pulse is weak, but steady. It has split personality, the sysop is in Milwaukee, WI but the VM is in Toronto, Ontario. Operating under CentOS
rel 6.7.

The system is just barely configured, but I get away from my IT support programming job just enough here and there to change a few things.

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with the same
company now for over 22 years.

Hopefully I will hang around for a while.. cheers. and, Hello, world.


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Re: Hello world
By: Hemo to All on Fri May 06 2016 12:51 pm

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with the same company now for over 22 years.

That's pretty cool! I love to see that full circle.

I used Synchronet for The Phunc BBS back in the late 90s too, and it was naturally the right fit for ressurection on.

It's really great to see all the improvements that Digital Man and Deuce and others have done over the years.

Knight

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Re: Hello world
By: Hemo to All on Fri May 06 2016 12:51 pm

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with the same company now for over 22 years.

Cool factoid. :-)

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Re: Hello world
By: Hemo to All on Fri May 06 2016 12:51:31

Did this sysop stuff back when phone lines were all the rage and a secret modem account at the local university was access to European art and music groups.

Back when the local computer user group would demo the latest rage in 'high definition' audio for the PC, the Pro Audio Spectrum 16... and we talked about breaking tech that would soon allow a full freaking megabyte of storage on a chip the size of your fingernail.

I always liked looking at the latest & greatest computer technology back in the day.. I was excited when I was able to buy my very own Sound Blaster 16 card.

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with the same company now for over 22 years.

That's pretty cool.

Hopefully I will hang around for a while.. cheers. and, Hello, world.

Welcome. :)

Nightfox

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Hemo wrote to All <=-

trying this again, resurrecting a hobby.

Did this sysop stuff back when phone lines were all the rage and a
secret modem account at the local university was access to European art and music groups.

Yep, I come from the modem era too. :) Seems a lot of us old sysops making a comeback these days. :)

Back when the local computer user group would demo the latest rage in 'high definition' audio for the PC, the Pro Audio Spectrum 16... and we talked about breaking tech that would soon allow a full freaking
megabyte of storage on a chip the size of your fingernail.

Yep. :)

I toyed with earlier linux versions of SBBS, but those were old systems
in my basement that eventually we re-commissioned for the early years
for my kids.

Last week I realized I had a vm and a few IP's I wasn't using, so I
pulled the latest source for SBBS and kicked it.

I got sbbs up when I realised I had a number of lightly loaded Raspberry Pis kicking around. :-) Loaded up SBBS on one, and here I am! :) I also have another Pi running Mystic. :-)

The pulse is weak, but steady. It has split personality, the sysop is
in Milwaukee, WI but the VM is in Toronto, Ontario. Operating under CentOS rel 6.7.

The system is just barely configured, but I get away from my IT support programming job just enough here and there to change a few things.

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's
actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with
the same company now for over 22 years.

Well, I got into IT after having run a RA BBS for years, then following that up with helping a friend setup a Linux box as a dialup Internet server. :-) Came across pretty impressive in the interview. :-)

Hopefully I will hang around for a while.. cheers. and, Hello, world.

Welcoe back, I'm loving my return to BBSing. :-)



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Nightfox wrote to Hemo <=-

I always liked looking at the latest & greatest computer technology
back in the day.. I was excited when I was able to buy my very own
Sound Blaster 16 card.

I was happy when I could afford a secondhand 8 bit SB Pro! :-) I know I got a SB16 for my IRLP node in 2001. :-)


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Yep, I come from the modem era too. :) Seems a lot of us old sysops making a ->comeback these days. :)

Making a comeback? Heh, some of us never left :)



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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to Hemo on Sat May 07 2016 08:32 pm

I got sbbs up when I realised I had a number of lightly loaded Raspberry Pis kicking around. :-) Loaded up SBBS on one, and here I am! :) I also have another Pi running Mystic. :-)

Haha, me too. More evidence of twindom. Lots of Pis, and both SBBS and Mystic.

Knight

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ROBERT WOLFE wrote to VK3JED <=-

Yep, I come from the modem era too. :) Seems a lot of us old sysops making

comeback these days. :)

Making a comeback? Heh, some of us never left :)

I went away from BBSing for a while, came back around Christmas last year, got back on Fidonet a few months ago. The advent of ultra low powered systems such as the Pi made BBSing a practical reality for me. Using a VPS was another alternative, but the VPS is already heavily loaded with ham radio services.

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LOL an oldie, but a goodie. :D


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Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Haha, me too. More evidence of twindom. Lots of Pis, and both SBBS and Mystic.

Yes, it's worth running two systems. I started with SBBS, find it covers most of my needs, and I like some of the extra features such as IRC server and mailing list server (just got listserver.js running :) ), but Mystic has a nice way of doing some things. SBBS is my primary system, and I have Mystic setup as a point, but with only a couple of echos.


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Re: Hello world
By: Hemo to All on Fri May 06 2016 12:51 pm

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with the same company now for over 22 years.

how did you get a job because you said you ran a bbs?
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Re: Hello world
By: Hemo to All on Fri May 06 2016 12:51 pm

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's

actually

helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with the same company now for over 22 years.

how did you get a job because you said you ran a bbs?
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I didn't get the job because of the BBS, but it helped me get the job. It proved I had hands-on experience and knowledge of PC memory management and networking, and wasn't afraid of learning new technology.

I demo'd the setup on DOS, Windows 3.11, and OS/2. I explained how things worked and wrote a program in Pascal to interact with the system to show I
did have basic programming skills.

Remember, this was the early 90's. now, skills like that are a requirement
for 6th grade.

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I didn't get the job because of the BBS, but it helped me get the job. It proved I had hands-on experience and knowledge of PC memory management and networking, and wasn't afraid of learning new technology.

Similar experience with me back in the day, too. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, I had the fact that I ran a large and popular BBS on my resume. It did help back then. These days most people wouldn't know what a BBS was except maybe some older IT people.

I have had conversations with people interviewing for a position where I work about hobbies like media center servers, etc. All those extra things shows additional abilities and lends itself towards more learning.

- Mark

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HEMO wrote to ALL <=-

Did this sysop stuff back when phone lines were all the rage and a
secret modem account at the local university was access to European art and music groups.

It's odd, but the fact I was running SBBS back in the early 90's
actually helped me land the job I am currently at, and have been with
the same company now for over 22 years.

LOL - full circle - the snake is eating his own tail... :-)

Welcome, All You Zombies... :-)


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NIGHTFOX wrote to HEMO <=-

Back when the local computer user group would demo the latest rage in 'high definition' audio for the PC, the Pro Audio Spectrum 16... and we talked about breaking tech that would soon allow a full freaking megabyte of storage on a chip the size of your fingernail.

I always liked looking at the latest & greatest computer technology
back in the day.. I was excited when I was able to buy my very own
Sound Blaster 16 card.

I remember getting a PCI card that was an FM radio tuner/reciever. :-)


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I always liked looking at the latest & greatest computer technology
back in the day.. I was excited when I was able to buy my very own
Sound Blaster 16 card.

I remember getting a PCI card that was an FM radio tuner/reciever. :-)

That's cool. :) I've used similar things in the past.. One time I bought a TV tuner card for my PC and thought that was cool - but I planned to use it more for recording TV broadcasts. However, the software I found at the time (even what was included with the card) didn't seem very good - The software would either crash a lot or produce insanely large video files. Perhaps I
had something misconfigured though.. And that was around 2000 or 2001, and
I'm sure TV tuner cards have come a long way, as I've heard about people building media PCs these days to record TV (among other things).

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Hemo on Mon May 09 2016 08:56 am

I didn't get the job because of the BBS, but it helped me get the job.
It proved I had hands-on experience and knowledge of PC memory
management and networking, and wasn't afraid of learning new technology.

Similar experience with me back in the day, too. Back in the late
80s/early 90s, I had the fact that I ran a large and popular BBS on my resume. It did help back then. These days most people wouldn't know what
a BBS was except maybe some older IT people.

i come from back in the day too and back then people in my area didnt know wtf a bbs was.
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 09 2016 09:17 am

I always liked looking at the latest & greatest computer technology back in the day.. I was excited when I was able to buy my very own Sound Blaster 16 card.

I remember getting a PCI card that was an FM radio tuner/reciever. :-)

i had one of those too and i was excited about it. it was shit, though.
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Similar experience with me back in the day, too. Back in the late 80s/early 90s, I had the fact that I ran a large and popular BBS on my resume. It did help back then. These days most people wouldn't know what a BBS was except maybe some older IT people.

BBSing does seem a bit of esoteric knowledge these days. With not many people who know what a BBS is, sometimes I wonder where all the BBSers went. Then I remember that younger people probably don't know because they were never introduced to BBSes. However, one time I was talking to a friend of mine in high school and I mentioned I run a BBS and he said "What's a BBS?" And this was back in the 90s.. The internet boom had already started, but BBSes were still a bigger thing then than they are now, so I was surprised to know someone who was into computers but didn't know about BBSes.

I have had conversations with people interviewing for a position where I work about hobbies like media center servers, etc. All those extra things shows additional abilities and lends itself towards more learning.

I've had a couple of similar conversations. There was one person who, after the interview, mentioned he had a side project working on a multi-user game which I think was text-based. I asked him if it was a BBS game, but he said he was not familiar with BBSes. He was about the same age as me, too. *shrug*

Nightfox

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Re: Hello world
By: Nightfox to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon May 09 2016 12:25 pm

I remember getting a PCI card that was an FM radio tuner/reciever. :-)

That's cool. :) I've used similar things in the past.. One time I bought a TV tuner card for my PC and thought that was cool - but I planned to use it more for recording TV broadcasts. However, the software I found at the time (even what was included with the card) didn't seem very good - The software would either crash a lot or produce insanely large video files. Perhaps I
had something misconfigured though.. And that was around 2000 or 2001, and I'm sure TV tuner cards have come a long way, as I've heard about people building media PCs these days to record TV (among other things).

Back around that timeframe, I was contributing to MythTV, a Linux-based DVR that used tuner cards. It was pretty advanced for its time. So glad the video providers finally made decent implementations later.

Knight

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Re: Hello world
By: Nightfox to WEATHERMAN on Mon May 09 2016 04:20 pm

I've had a couple of similar conversations. There was one person who, after the interview, mentioned he had a side project working on a multi-user game which I think was text-based. I asked him if it was a BBS game, but he said he was not familiar with BBSes. He was about the same age as me, too. *shrug*

There were a lot of people back at the tail end of the BBS days that got onto the Internet from their universities and would play MUDs, MUSHes (one of my personal favorite styles) and MOOs. I wonder if that is what he was working on...

Knight

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Nightfox wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

BBSing does seem a bit of esoteric knowledge these days. With not many people who know what a BBS is, sometimes I wonder where all the BBSers went. Then I remember that younger people probably don't know because they were never introduced to BBSes. However, one time I was talking
to a friend of mine in high school and I mentioned I run a BBS and he
said "What's a BBS?" And this was back in the 90s.. The internet boom had already started, but BBSes were still a bigger thing then than they are now, so I was surprised to know someone who was into computers but didn't know about BBSes.

I think one thing we forget is that the majority of households back then did NOT have a computer, or if they did, it was for study or work, with no modems. To us, who were on BBSs, it seemed like they were commonplace, but in terms of the total population, we were a minority, unlike today, when almost everyone is online in some form.

I have had conversations with people interviewing for a position where I work about hobbies like media center servers, etc. All those extra things shows additional abilities and lends itself towards more learning.

I've had a couple of similar conversations. There was one person who, after the interview, mentioned he had a side project working on a multi-user game which I think was text-based. I asked him if it was a
BBS game, but he said he was not familiar with BBSes. He was about the same age as me, too. *shrug*

At one stage, I helped a friend build a mini ISP - a Linux box, which made a connection to a network provider and accepted calls on 3 dialin lines for users to connect to. Users had a choice of a shell session or starting PPP, so they could run a modern style IP session. I remember most users got a dynamic IP, with myself being an exception. When I logged in, I got a static IP and a subnet routed through my link. Those were the days. And the mention of that in an interview did impress the prospective employer, who I ended up working for for several years. :)


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Knight wrote to Nightfox <=-

Back around that timeframe, I was contributing to MythTV, a Linux-based DVR that used tuner cards. It was pretty advanced for its time. So glad the video providers finally made decent implementations later.

I tried getting a MythTV box up at one stage, but ran into stability issues. I later found out that the stability issues were a hardware fault, and not MythTV. Sadly, that project never got finished, even after the hardware fault (RAM, I think it was) was fixed.


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Knight wrote to Nightfox <=-

There were a lot of people back at the tail end of the BBS days that
got onto the Internet from their universities and would play MUDs,
MUSHes (one of my personal favorite styles) and MOOs. I wonder if that
is what he was working on...

Yes, they were popular. That was about the time I was on BBSs, but I didn't get on the Internet until commercial ISPs were more common (late 1994), as I had little time at uni in the early 1990s (was only finishing a subject or two, didn't need Internet access).


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i come from back in the day too and back then people in my area didnt know wtf a bbs was.

When it comes to what a BBS was in the professional world back then, it was a mixed bag. Some people knew about them and some didn't. You could tell the real hard core tech people from the rest by using this method.

We hired a guy several years back that knew exactly what a BBS was and in fact was a sysop in another state back in the day. That is brownie points in my book. Throw in a home media center, and your hired!

- Mark

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I've had a couple of similar conversations. There was one person who,
after the interview, mentioned he had a side project working on a
multi-user game which I think was text-based. I asked him if it was a BBS game, but he said he was not familiar with BBSes. He was about the same
age as me, too. *shrug*

When it comes to hiring, the best people are the ones that are passionate about
what they do. Having side hobbies either past or present with regards to BBSing, running home servers, media centers, having lots of hardware to toy around with, etc... They mean that person really enjoys the field not just as a job. All major bonuses in my book.

Personality, apptitude, and attitude are the main things I have always focused on when hiring or even when I would interview somewhere.

- Mark

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PPP, so they could run a modern style IP session. I remember most users
got a dynamic IP, with myself being an exception. When I logged in, I got
a static IP and a subnet routed through my link. Those were the days. And the mention of that in an interview did impress the prospective employer, who I ended up working for for several years. :)

Exactly the way I feel. These are the things that set us apart from the regular person interviewing for the job. All the added creativity is a big plus!

- Mark

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WEATHERMAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Exactly the way I feel. These are the things that set us apart from
the regular person interviewing for the job. All the added creativity
is a big plus!

Creativity, problem solving, etc, all look good.


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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Mro on Tue May 10 2016 02:22 pm

i come from back in the day too and back then people in my area didnt know wtf a bbs was.

When it comes to what a BBS was in the professional world back then, it was a mixed bag. Some people knew about them and some didn't. You could tell the real hard core tech people from the rest by using this method.

We hired a guy several years back that knew exactly what a BBS was and in fact was a sysop in another state back in the day. That is brownie points

now most of the IT people dont know their shit; they just have degrees.
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Nightfox on Tue May 10 2016 02:28 pm

When it comes to hiring, the best people are the ones that are passionate about what they do. Having side hobbies either past or present with
regards to BBSing, running home servers, media centers, having lots of hardware to toy around with, etc... They mean that person really enjoys

hey i take great offense to this!

i hate what i do, but i'm a good worker because i have a great work ethic and i hate people who are lazy and useless on the job.
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Re: Hello world
By: Knight to Nightfox on Mon May 09 2016 05:10 pm

There were a lot of people back at the tail end of the BBS days that got onto the Internet from their universities and would play MUDs, MUSHes (one of my personal favorite styles) and MOOs. I wonder if that is what he was working on...

Back then, people got serious internet addiction on MUDs... It was the
first time some people had found immersive games like that and I knew a couple of people who'd play at work and almost lose their jobs. Seemed like they couldn't stop.

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Mro on Tue May 10 2016 02:22 pm

When it comes to what a BBS was in the professional world back then, it was mixed bag. Some people knew about them and some didn't. You could tell the real hard core tech people from the rest by using this method.

I remember back in the day when most non computer people would think that a BBS was just a way for pheadophiles to share images and movies. It wasn't until I had joined a few here in Brisbane that I discovered that this was NOT the case. I have been on them now off and on for 20 years.

Jeff

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Mro wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

now most of the IT people dont know their shit; they just have degrees.

True!


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MRO wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

When it comes to what a BBS was in the professional world back then, it was a mixed bag. Some people knew about them and some didn't. You could tell the real hard core tech people from the rest by using this method.

We hired a guy several years back that knew exactly what a BBS was and in fact was a sysop in another state back in the day. That is brownie points

now most of the IT people dont know their shit; they just have degrees.

I agree totally :)

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Re: Hello world
By: Knight to Nightfox on Mon May 09 2016 05:10 pm

There were a lot of people back at the tail end of the BBS days that got ont

Tail end? last I saw the BBS days are still here, though not like it was before the internet took off.
I get between 4 to 10 callers a day not counting myself, back in the day I got more calls and had more users but I am happy with what I get as this is just a fun hobby for me now.

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now most of the IT people dont know their shit; they just have degrees.
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True. I have seen that in certain organizations. There is a big difference between being book smart and doing real world work in IT.

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hey i take great offense to this!

i hate what i do, but i'm a good worker because i have a great work ethic and i
hate people who are lazy and useless on the job.

Most good managers and companies will position people to be in areas that they enjoy. You end up getting the best results that way and it helps both the employee and organization.

It is great that even though you hate what you do, you still work hard and have
a good work ethic. If you enjoyed what you did, it would make things even better.

- Mark

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I remember back in the day when most non computer people would think that
a BBS was just a way for pheadophiles to share images and movies. It
wasn't until I had joined a few here in Brisbane that I discovered that this was NOT the case. I have been on them now off and on for 20 years.

I have been a sysop and on various BBS systems since the really early days (early 80s). Only hardcore people even had a computer back then. To me, it was
an underground for really smart people to exchange ideas and information, conversation, etc.

I enjoyed both the mainstream message areas and also the "elite" areas/sections
that was very common back in the day.

- Mark

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Jeff Friend to WEATHERMAN on Thu May 12 2016 15:46:20

I remember back in the day when most non computer people would think that a BBS was just a way for pheadophiles to share images and movies. It wasn't until I had joined a few here in Brisbane that I discovered that this was NOT the case. I have been on them now off and on for 20 years.

I don't remember people thinking that about BBSes, but maybe that's because I got into BBSing later or people didn't think that way about them where I live.

However, that makes me think of how some people these days assume that BitTorrent is just something used for pirating movies & software. There was also a time, in the late 90s, when I was buying a pack of CD-R discs and the salesperson teased me that I better not be planning to use those to pirate software. I suppose that did have some basis in reality (as does the BitTorrent misconception), but I think it's good to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Mro on Thu May 12 2016 09:49 pm

It is great that even though you hate what you do, you still work hard and have a good work ethic. If you enjoyed what you did, it would make things even better.

not really. i draw a line between work and play. i am not even friends with coworkers outside of work. they are two separate things for me and i keep them both in order that way.

it's good to set boundries and have order.
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Re: Hello world
By: Nightfox to Jeff Friend on Thu May 12 2016 08:34 pm

was also a time, in the late 90s, when I was buying a pack of CD-R discs
and the salesperson teased me that I better not be planning to use those to pirate software. I suppose that did have some basis in reality (as does
the BitTorrent misconception), but I think it's good to give people the benefit of the doubt.

people that steal stuff are usually using the best technology.

torrent technology is great. that's why it's used by gaming companies and even microsoft. it helps ease the burden from the main server and let downloaders help everyone out.
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Mro to WEATHERMAN on Thu May 12 2016 22:36:50

not really. i draw a line between work and play. i am not even friends with coworkers outside of work. they are two separate things for me and i keep them both in order that way.

it's good to set boundries and have order.

How does that help you in your life? And what do you say to a co-worker who invites you to an event? Friends can come from anywhere, including work.

It's a funny world we live in where there are people who don't want to get to know the people they work with..

Nightfox

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Re: Hello world
By: Mro to Nightfox on Thu May 12 2016 11:42 pm

people that steal stuff are usually using the best technology.

torrent technology is great. that's why it's used by gaming companies and e microsoft. it helps ease the burden from the main server and let downloaders help everyone out.

I used to use Utorrent to get software, I would try out the software and if
it was something useful such as winrar I would purchase it, if it was something I would'nt really use I would delete it.
I used Utorrent as a "try before you buy" way to evaluate software.

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Jeff Friend on Thu May 12 2016 09:56 pm

I have been a sysop and on various BBS systems since the really early days (early 80s). Only hardcore people even had a computer back then. To me, it an underground for really smart people to exchange ideas and information, conversation, etc.

I enjoyed both the mainstream message areas and also the "elite" areas/secti that was very common back in the day.

Back in the mid 90's, I was the Co-Sysop for a local BBS here in Brisbane. I just happned to be on it one day at a whopping 1200 baud and the Sysop broke into chat. 10 minutes later, I was Co-Sysop.

I recently joined a BBS overseas and was able to download my messages from those days as the site still had alot of them. WOW! Awesome to bring back those kind of old memories too.

Jeff

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Re: Hello world
By: Nightfox to Jeff Friend on Thu May 12 2016 08:34 pm

I don't remember people thinking that about BBSes, but maybe that's because got into BBSing later or people didn't think that way about them where I liv

However, that makes me think of how some people these days assume that BitTorrent is just something used for pirating movies & software. There was also a time, in the late 90s, when I was buying a pack of CD-R discs and the salesperson teased me that I better not be planning to use those to pirate software. I suppose that did have some basis in reality (as does the BitTorrent misconception), but I think it's good to give people the benefit the doubt.

BitTorrent can be used for downloading movies and software?? NO! Tell me it isn't so!

Jeff

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Nightfox to Mro on Thu May 12 2016 10:50 pm

it's good to set boundries and have order.

How does that help you in your life?

works out great. i have friends in my day to day life that my girlfriend and
i spend time with when we have the chance.

And what do you say to a co-worker
who invites you to an event?

i say 'no thanks, i dont associate with co-workers' and smile at them.

usually it's the lady at work who's fucked like 5+ guys at the company and 2 of the bosses.

she's a good example of shitting where you eat. it got her hired from a temp position, though.

It's a funny world we live in where there are people who don't want to get to know the people they work with..

i know them plenty. i see those fuckers every single day.
i've been at the same place for 12 years and i walk around and talk to people all day long at work.
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Re: Hello world
By: Denn Gray to Mro on Fri May 13 2016 10:00 am

I used to use Utorrent to get software, I would try out the software and if it was something useful such as winrar I would purchase it, if it was something I would'nt really use I would delete it.
I used Utorrent as a "try before you buy" way to evaluate software.

i dont see anything wrong with that because you can really get screwed on software purchases and you can not take them back to the store for a refund.

btw, i recommend qbittorrent instead of utorrent; the author is a real sellout and packaged adware with utorrent in the past. if you do want to use utorrent use 1.8.5 2.x because later versions dont play well with other clients.
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Re: Hello world
By: Jeff Friend to Nightfox on Fri May 13 2016 10:11 pm

BitTorrent can be used for downloading movies and software?? NO! Tell me it isn't so!

i use it for my bible studies.
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Jeff Friend wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

I remember back in the day when most non computer people would think
that a BBS was just a way for pheadophiles to share images and movies.
It wasn't until I had joined a few here in Brisbane that I discovered
that this was NOT the case. I have been on them now off and on for 20 years.

I knew what BBSs were, long before I ever logged into one, through reading computer magazines and being involved in PC user groups. However, I lived in a rural area (all BBS calls would have attracted a long distance toll) and also didn't have enough money for a modem, which were around $400 at the time (for 300 baud!). The magazines tended to promote the shareware downloads over other aspects of BBSing.

Finally got the chance to experience BBSs for myself in 1991, after to Melbourne. :)


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Denn Gray wrote to Knight <=-

Tail end? last I saw the BBS days are still here, though not like it
was before the internet took off.
I get between 4 to 10 callers a day not counting myself, back in the
day I got more calls and had more users but I am happy with what I get
as this is just a fun hobby for me now.

Quality, not quantity these days. :) I get the occasional user, though I'm the main user of my BBSs :)


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WEATHERMAN wrote to Mro <=-

True. I have seen that in certain organizations. There is a big difference between being book smart and doing real world work in IT.

Yes, real world experience means a lot in IT. I used to sit Microsoft certification from time to time, needed them just so our workplace could be a certified Microsoft provider. However, the in joke was that while studying, one had to learn the "Microsoft soluton" (i.e. the one on the exam), while on the job, we used the "solution that worked", which was something different! :D


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Jeff Friend wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

Back in the mid 90's, I was the Co-Sysop for a local BBS here in
Brisbane. I just happned to be on it one day at a whopping 1200 baud
and the Sysop broke into chat. 10 minutes later, I was Co-Sysop.

I started my BBS after enjoying some time as a user, and then wanting to see what the other side was like. I also had some ideas for messaging that weren't done at the time - a one stop BBS to meet a diverse range of messaging needs. It worked very well.


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not really. i draw a line between work and play. i am not even friends
with coworkers outside of work. they are two separate things for me and i keep them both in order that way.

I'm not sure why you would think that enjoying your work wouldn't be a better thing. It doesn't mean you have to be friends with co-workers or do things outside of work.

I enjoy what I do, but don't participate in after work events. Work is totally
separate from my personal life. I only do things at work during work hours. I
have never been big on after hours things for work. Work is work, but it can still be fun.

- Mark

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to Denn Gray on Sat May 14 2016 10:12 am

Quality, not quantity these days. :) I get the occasional user, though I'm main user of my BBSs :)

It is alot cheaper to run a BBS these days :)
in the 90's it was a money pit but was a great hobby.

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Re: Hello world
By: Mro to Denn Gray on Fri May 13 2016 17:58:42

i dont see anything wrong with that because you can really get screwed on software purchases and you can not take them back to the store for a refund.

btw, i recommend qbittorrent instead of utorrent; the author is a real sellout and packaged adware with utorrent in the past. if you do want to use utorrent use 1.8.5 2.x because later versions dont play well with other clients.

I use Utorrent 221 , never have problem with connection
i will try qbittorrent to see how it's !

... War will cease when men refuse to fight.

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Mro on Sat May 14 2016 08:42 am

I enjoy what I do, but don't participate in after work events. Work is totally separate from my personal life. I only do things at work during work hours. I have never been big on after hours things for work. Work is work, but it can still be fun.

yeah, i dont see it that way. maybe because we work in different fields.

work is a way for me to put a roof over my head. i'm there to do a good job, i'm not there to have fun. that's why it's called work, not 'fun'
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Denn Gray to Vk3jed on Sat May 14 2016 08:29 am

Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to Denn Gray on Sat May 14 2016 10:12 am

Quality, not quantity these days. :) I get the occasional user, though I'm main user of my BBSs :)

It is alot cheaper to run a BBS these days :)
in the 90's it was a money pit but was a great hobby.

it was the cost of a phone line and an old computer.

nowadays there's almost no users except other sysops. i totally enjoyed it a lot more in the modem days. comparing the two is like apples and oranges.
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Re: Hello world
By: Spacesst to Mro on Sat May 14 2016 11:57 am

I use Utorrent 221 , never have problem with connection
i will try qbittorrent to see how it's !

you probably dont see the problems you could have. they choke off other peers. i noticed transmission is like that with rtorrent which is strange.
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Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-

It is alot cheaper to run a BBS these days :)

So true. The BBSs hitch a free rise on the Internet, no line rental. Power consumption is now about 2W per BBS, compared to 50W+ for a single system back in the day.

in the 90's it was a money pit but was a great hobby.

Yep - electricity to run a 50W (or more) PC, modems. Line rental was around $20/quarter/line, call charges added up to around $150/quarter, once the long haul feeds started. :)


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Yes, real world experience means a lot in IT. I used to sit Microsoft certification from time to time, needed them just so our workplace could
be a certified Microsoft provider. However, the in joke was that while studying, one had to learn the "Microsoft soluton" (i.e. the one on the exam), while on the job, we used the "solution that worked", which was something different! :D

Yes, often the resellers require everyone to have a certain amount of certs just so they can be a "gold partner" or get some extra discount. That is really the main reason.

I have been at the same organization for 16 years now which is hard to believe.
In all those years I have gone to (1) training class to get my Cisco certification. Other than that, I learned everyone on my own.

- Mark

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I started my BBS after enjoying some time as a user, and then wanting to
see what the other side was like. I also had some ideas for messaging that weren't done at the time - a one stop BBS to meet a diverse range of messaging needs.
It worked very well.

I started out as a BBS user back in the early 80s. It wasn't long until I setup a BBS. Maybe a few months after getting my apple modem (300 baud).

Ended up running Apple-Net BBS software back then on an Apple //c. I remember having to purchased an external clock, since the //c didn't have an internal clock. I needed that for the BBS.

- Mark

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to Denn Gray on Sun May 15 2016 02:57 pm

So true. The BBSs hitch a free rise on the Internet, no line rental.
Power consumption is now about 2W per BBS, compared to 50W+ for a single system back in the day.

i'm still using a lot of juice just with 2 computers.

Yep - electricity to run a 50W (or more) PC, modems. Line rental was
around $20/quarter/line, call charges added up to around $150/quarter, once the long haul feeds started. :)

electricity was a lot cheaper back in the day, though.
atleast in the usa
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-=[ On 05-12-16 15:46, Jeff Friend wrote to WEATHERMAN below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Re: Hello world ]=-

Hi Jeff Friend!

I remember back in the day when most non computer people would think
that a BBS was just a way for pheadophiles to share images and movies.

The BBS that I called quite religiously, one of the users was a pedophile and would only get enough time to log on then the system booted his sick and perverted a$$ off. I am grateful for the SysOp that did this because the board had quite a few youngsters connecting to it and it was a form of security :)

Cheers,

Bryan
Email: bhandfield(at)me(dot)com

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Argelian to Jeff Friend on Thu May 12 2016 09:40 pm

I remember back in the day when most non computer people would think that a BBS was just a way for pheadophiles to share images and movies.

The BBS that I called quite religiously, one of the users was a pedophile and would only get enough time to log on then the system booted his sick
and perverted a$$ off. I am grateful for the SysOp that did this because the board had quite a few youngsters connecting to it and it was a form of security :)

yeah i ran into something like this. it was a guy who called himself 'plastic' because he liked to wrap himself up naked in plastic wrap.

after i noticed he was msging underage people on my bbs i tracked him down to his main bbs home and warned the sysop about it. gave him proof and everything.

the sysop didnt care what the guy was doing on bbses and considered any attention to it bad press because he was focused on getting hardware and money donations.

i didnt have enough to go to the police about, it didnt get that far. just him explaining the sex stuff he was into and him verifying that the users were underage.

it was one of the first times i ran into the experience that people turn their eyes away from bad things and allow them to happen.
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WEATHERMAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yes, often the resellers require everyone to have a certain amount of certs just so they can be a "gold partner" or get some extra discount. That is really the main reason.

This was a training company that needed at least 2 Microsoft Certified Professionals on site to remain Microsoft certified.

I have been at the same organization for 16 years now which is hard to believe. In all those years I have gone to (1) training class to get my Cisco certification. Other than that, I learned everyone on my own.

Likewise, I'm mostly self taught. I did do a course in Windows 2000 Server when it came out, to get a handle on Active Directory, but that was about it. In my time there, I ended up using Linux as much as Windows, and on Linux, I am entirely self taught. Linux became a bit of a Swiss Army knife, that had all sorts of uses, did the job better than more "official" Microsoft solutions. ;)

And before that when doing some Windows training at a uni, I networked in a Linux box from home and blew thr trtainer's mind. :D


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WEATHERMAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I started out as a BBS user back in the early 80s. It wasn't long
until I setup a BBS. Maybe a few months after getting my apple modem
(300 baud).

Yeah money and location were against me then (I was in high school for the first half of the 80s :) ).

Ended up running Apple-Net BBS software back then on an Apple //c. I remember having to purchased an external clock, since the //c didn't
have an internal clock. I needed that for the BBS.

Cool. My first BBS machine was a hand built XT clone with a whopping 10MB HDD. :)


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Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

i'm still using a lot of juice just with 2 computers.

Good way to go broke here these days! :)

Yep - electricity to run a 50W (or more) PC, modems. Line rental was
around $20/quarter/line, call charges added up to around $150/quarter, once the long haul feeds started. :)

electricity was a lot cheaper back in the day, though.

It was a lot cheaper here back then too, there have been massive price hikes in recent years, due mainly to spending on infrastructure to meet the extreme peaks. somewhere upwards of 25c/kWh these days. :(

At least I could easily run my BBSs on solar power if I had to! :)


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Mro wrote to Denn Gray <=-

It is alot cheaper to run a BBS these days :)
in the 90's it was a money pit but was a great hobby.

it was the cost of a phone line and an old computer.

A single line BBS? That's how I started, wrote my own setup using Telix's scripting language.

I suspect the money pit comment comes from running multi line BBS with registered programs and trying to keep up with 'latest' software, etc..

I know I was shocked at how expensive a simple T1 line was going to be, and opted to stay at a 4-line system because that was all I could afford. Did the telco wiring myself in the house from their junction box - something my local phone company said they 'had' to do back then. I recall it being a few hundred to go from the 2-line wiring to 4-line wiring and then it was about $80-$100 a month for the 4 lines. And then the money I doled out on long distance charges browsing other systems and downloading files.. about 1MB every 10 minutes at whatever the long distance rates were.

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yeah, i dont see it that way. maybe because we work in different fields.

work is a way for me to put a roof over my head. i'm there to do a good
job, i'm not there to have fun. that's why it's called work, not 'fun'

I feel the exact same way - that the only reason I work is to put a roof over my (and family's) head. Even if I won an insane amount of money, I would still
"work" but it wouldn't be for money. I would do something that would make a difference and wouldn't care about the money aspect.

It is important for me to enjoy my day at work since we spend so much time there. That doesn't mean I have to be friends with everyone or doing all the team building crap. I just like doing the actual work.

There was a period of time a few years ago when I was working around 90% from home. No interaction with other people other than via phone or email. I had plenty of fun doing project remotely - even more fun often than being in the office.

- Mark

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Mro to WEATHERMAN on Sat May 14 2016 11:19 pm

work is a way for me to put a roof over my head. i'm there to do a good job, i'm not there to have fun. that's why it's called work, not 'fun'

What would you think if you got paid and entertained at the same time? Would that be any good?

Mojo

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how did you get a job because you said you ran a bbs?

Well my first job was at Digital Information Systems of Kentucky aka
D.I.S.K. which was a local online based service that was the home of
"DecWars" (google it) my e-mail address was the pre-domain e-mail
address of Allen!Disk or was it Disk!Allen not totally sure.

It started on an old PDP11/70 and last ran on an older VAX incarnation.
After school I would go in and babysit the "console" which alarmed
frequently and take calls from customers who got upset because they got
dropped in the middle of an e-mail or something that they thought was world-endingly important.

The "console" would alarm once about every 45 minutes small daemon crash
or some batch of uunet messages came thorugh that needed a little help
to process.

It was always something.

Allen



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now most of the IT people dont know their shit; they just have degrees.

True!

When I was responsible for hiring in my IT department the VP that I
reported to told me to hire based upon demonstrated knowledge. He would
rather have one non-degreed IT person who could demonstrate real world knowledge than TEN IT people who had the diplomas to hang on the walls.

She would always say that she's hired plenty of "dumb asses" with
degrees who were not productive and lacking in practical skills.

Allen


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Back in the mid 90's, I was the Co-Sysop for a local BBS here in Brisbane. I just happned to be on it one day at a whopping 1200 baud and the Sysop broke into chat. 10 minutes later, I was Co-Sysop.

I would give anything to find some talented teens to "Co-Sysop" with me.
I had the best organized files and most active doors when I had good
"teen" sysops.

I would also require them to send me their report cards. No good
grades... no co-sysop. Back in the day, we had a lot of callers. I got
my start working at a commerical dial up usenet system part time after school... the BBS I would run a few years later turned out to be way
more sophisticated than the old PDP11 system.

And eventually the pentium it ran on was much more powerful too.

Allen

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Re: Hello world
By: Mro to Jeff Friend on Fri May 13 2016 05:59 pm

Re: Hello world
By: Jeff Friend to Nightfox on Fri May 13 2016 10:11 pm

BitTorrent can be used for downloading movies and software?? NO! Tell me isn't so!

i use it for my bible studies.

Hahaha...

Jeff

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ALLEN PRUNTY wrote to VK3JED <=-

When I was responsible for hiring in my IT department the VP that I reported to told me to hire based upon demonstrated knowledge. He
would rather have one non-degreed IT person who could demonstrate real world knowledge than TEN IT people who had the diplomas to hang on the walls.

Management had a clue! :)

She would always say that she's hired plenty of "dumb asses" with
degrees who were not productive and lacking in practical skills.

Plenty of those around. :)


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ALLEN PRUNTY wrote to VK3JED <=-

Management had a clue! :)

Yes she did... she also said she could always send someone with basic
skills and a work ethic to school to get the certificate... she could
fix lack of knowledge. But she couldn't fix LAZY ever!

Allen
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: ALLEN PRUNTY to VK3JED on Mon May 16 2016 02:29 am

When I was responsible for hiring in my IT department the VP that I reported to told me to hire based upon demonstrated knowledge. He would rather have one non-degreed IT person who could demonstrate real world knowledge than TEN IT people who had the diplomas to hang on the walls.

Sounds like me. I wanted the desktop support guy who showed initiative, adaptation and could learn what got thrown at him. I'd drop him or her into my IT environment as a junior admin and watch them grow.

Those guys I hired are all senior IT management now.

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ALLEN PRUNTY wrote to VK3JED <=-

Yes she did... she also said she could always send someone with basic skills and a work ethic to school to get the certificate... she could
fix lack of knowledge. But she couldn't fix LAZY ever!

So true. Now if only all managers were as switched on as she is, the world would be a much better place. :)


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Poindexter Fortran wrote to ALLEN PRUNTY <=-

Re: Re: Hello world
By: ALLEN PRUNTY to VK3JED on Mon May 16 2016 02:29 am

When I was responsible for hiring in my IT department the VP that I reported to told me to hire based upon demonstrated knowledge. He would rather have one non-degreed IT person who could demonstrate real world knowledge than TEN IT people who had the diplomas to hang on the walls.

Reminds me of the time I worked out a feature of a mail package, while simultaneously supporting a user in the use of it over the phone. The user was none the wiser, I solved their problem and I learned more about the software.
)

And when a friend wanted to install Linux in 1995, he tried for a few days, then gave up, handed me the documentation and the CDs. Took me about 2 hours to get a working system, most of the time being that required to load the packages onto the machine from CD. I worked it out as I went along, then managed to compile the kernel to suit the box (this was before the days of modules).

Sounds like me. I wanted the desktop support guy who showed initiative, adaptation and could learn what got thrown at him. I'd drop him or her into my IT environment as a junior admin and watch them grow.

Makes sense. I preferred to work with people who had that real world knowledge and experience.

Those guys I hired are all senior IT management now.

I turned off the road before getting there, not where I wanted to be, Today, IT has gone full circle, back to the status of being purely a hobby, or something that supports things I do, though I still carry my knowledge and still bring it out to solve problems from time to time. :) The draw of outdoor, hands on work was stronger for me than tech, though tech remains an interest.


... I'm being held prisoner in a chocolate factory. Don't send help.
--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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So true. Now if only all managers were as switched on as she is, the world would be a much better place. :)

It wasn't that she was switched on... she was well in her 70's and knew
Grace Hopper personally back in the day. She did not have the diplomas
or certifications and would tell those that did that she forgot more
than they have learned for that paper.

She was tough... and took no prisioners... and she wasn't an over
educated asshole herself... I don't think she was switched on at all...
more like hardwired.

Allen


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ALLEN PRUNTY wrote to VK3JED <=-

She was tough... and took no prisioners... and she wasn't an over
educated asshole herself... I don't think she was switched on at all... more like hardwired.

Hehe either way, the sort of person needed. :)


... Be alert! The country needs more lerts.
--- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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Tony,

...In case of emergency, break glass. Scream. Bleed to death

LOL an oldie, but a goodie. :D

Sounds like the policy to be seen at an Emergency Room. :P

Daryl

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Tony,

Yes, it's worth running two systems. I started with SBBS, find it covers mos V>of my needs, and I like some of the extra features such as IRC server and V>mailing list server (just got listserver.js running :) ), but Mystic has a ni V>way of doing some things. SBBS is my primary system, and I have Mystic setup V>as a point, but with only a couple of echos.

I started with GT Power under dial-up in 1992 (although I actually ran
a BBS on a Radio Shack 32K Model 100 laptop, starting in December,
1990), then went to Synchronet, Virtual Advanced, GT Power for telnet,
and now back to Synchronet. The biggest "plus" of Synchronet for me is
that it allows setup of non-fossil doors just like a telnet door. To my knowledge, no other BBS package has this.

Mine is the last BBS left in Arkansas. With all the thunderstorms
we've had here this spring (in some areas, they can't buy a drop of
rain), I've been offline more than online, as lightning strikes around
my apartment as if it's an ungrounded Faraday cage.

Daryl

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Mojo to Mro on Sun May 15 2016 11:24 pm

Re: Re: Hello world
By: Mro to WEATHERMAN on Sat May 14 2016 11:19 pm

work is a way for me to put a roof over my head. i'm there to do a
good job, i'm not there to have fun. that's why it's called work, not 'fun'

What would you think if you got paid and entertained at the same time?
Would that be any good?

you mean get paid to receive blowjobs?
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I started with GT Power under dial-up in 1992 (although I actually ran
a BBS on a Radio Shack 32K Model 100 laptop, starting in December,
1990), then went to Synchronet, Virtual Advanced, GT Power for telnet,
and now back to Synchronet. The biggest "plus" of Synchronet for me is
that it allows setup of non-fossil doors just like a telnet door. To my knowledge, no other BBS package has this.

GT Power had a LOT of things going for it back in the day. It was very
simple in it's setup and operation, but it stored it's messages in a
format that made it very easy to write utilities for. Sometimes simple
is good... I did leave GT power for a more robust messaging system.
What made it easy to write utilities for also made it very wasteful with
disk space since every message took up 8k as the older hard drives were terribly inefficient.

Allen


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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Mro to Mojo on Tue May 17 2016 05:27 pm

you mean get paid to receive blowjobs?

No not that, I use to work for a ISp and oit was always funny taking alot of the phone calls that came in from the customers and there stuipdiness. That is where I it is good to get paid and entertained at the same time.


Mojo

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to Poindexter Fortran on Tue May 17 2016 08:16 am

I turned off the road before getting there, not where I wanted to be, Today, IT has gone full circle, back to the status of being purely a hobby, or something that supports things I do, though I still carry my knowledge and still bring it out to solve problems from time to time. :) The draw of outdoor, hands on work was stronger for me than tech, though tech remains an interest.

I want to be a customer. I'd be the worst! :)

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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

Sounds like the policy to be seen at an Emergency Room. :P

Quite possibly! :D


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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

I started with GT Power under dial-up in 1992 (although I actually
ran a BBS on a Radio Shack 32K Model 100 laptop, starting in December, 1990), then went to Synchronet, Virtual Advanced, GT Power for telnet,
and now back to Synchronet. The biggest "plus" of Synchronet for me is that it allows setup of non-fossil doors just like a telnet door. To my knowledge, no other BBS package has this.

My first foray into BBSing was RA under DOS (and later, OS/2). As for Synchronet, its biggest strength for me is its ability to communicate by just about any means under the sun. I'm finding the mailing list service to be quite useful, for instance.


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Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I want to be a customer. I'd be the worst! :)

Hahaha, I'm the guy that gives IT support a challenge, because by the time I call on them, I've tried all the easy solutions and the problem is an obscure head scratcher! :D


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Re: Re: Hello world
By: ALLEN PRUNTY to DARYL STOUT on Tue May 17 2016 07:42 am

What made it easy to write utilities for also made it very wasteful with disk space since every message took up 8k as the older hard drives were terribly inefficient.

Was is using *.msg? One file per message. I tried that once, on a 286 with an MFM hard drive. The drive spent all its time thrashing.

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What made it easy to write utilities for also made it very wasteful with
disk space since every message took up 8k as the older hard drives were terribly inefficient.

Was is using *.msg? One file per message. I tried that once, on a 286 with an
MFM hard drive. The drive spent all its time thrashing.

It would thrash about... the new ones still do, they are just much
quieter.

Back in the day the hard drives were not FAT32 or NTFS formatted as they
are today. They were just plain old FAT (File Access Table) format.
They had a cluster size... the larger the drive the bigger the cluster
size. Let's say you had an 180MB drive (and that was f-ing huge in the
1980's) and it was formatted out to the FAT format... your cluster size
was 8KB that's 8192 bytes if your message file was only 287 bytes each
file would take up 1 cluster and occupy 8192 bytes (or 8KB).

Terribly innefficient system... if you had several messages that only
took up minimal space your hard drive would be eaten up quickly.

The database approach took all of those messages and stored them into
one or two files so the most space that was ever wasted was under 8KB
per file.

Allen

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Tony,

My first foray into BBSing was RA under DOS (and later, OS/2). As for V>Synchronet, its biggest strength for me is its ability to communicate by just V>about any means under the sun. I'm finding the mailing list service to be V>quite useful, for instance.

I wish I had a router with more available ports. But, I can't afford
one right now.

Daryl

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Re: Hello world
By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Wed May 11 2016 10:16 pm

Back then, people got serious internet addiction on MUDs... It was the
first time some people had found immersive games like that and I knew a couple of people who'd play at work and almost lose their jobs. Seemed like they couldn't stop.

It's true! And I really miss them myself. Graphics have taken over with the MMORPGs, etc. And that's all most people really care about these days with movies and games -- graphics. I admit that improvements in graphics are generally welcome, but nothing like game play of old games.

But what I liked most was the user content possibilities... MUSHes and MOOs let users create content (programmable vending machines, houses, weapons, rooms, worlds)... it's essentially like a textual Minecraft. But Minecraft is limited on programming (unless you get into modding specifically). Programming was essential to expanding MOOs and MUSHes, with easy to learn scripting languages.

You're right, people were HOOKED!

Knight

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: WEATHERMAN to Jeff Friend on Thu May 12 2016 09:56 pm

I have been a sysop and on various BBS systems since the really early days (early 80s). Only hardcore people even had a computer back then. To me, it was
an underground for really smart people to exchange ideas and information, conversation, etc.

Precisely! And once the internet opened the floodgates and let the average person on, the quality of the exchanges went down. Access to quality content went way up, but good intelligent conversations went way down.

Take a look at any forum, and it's littered with trolls.

Knight

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Yeah money and location were against me then (I was in high school for the first half of the 80s :) ).

I was in High School in the second half of the 80s. :)

Cool. My first BBS machine was a hand built XT clone with a whopping 10MB HDD. :)

At one point, I had (2) Apple //c systems and a //gs. I told them all and bought a loaded 286-12Mhz system with 40MB hard drive! It even had 2MB of RAM which was super state of the art for the time. Lots of DRAM chips on there!

That is what I ended up switching my BBS from Apple to PC (Apple-Net 2.4 to an early version of WWIV). I can't remember if it was 4.10 or 4.11.

- Mark

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When I was responsible for hiring in my IT department the VP that I reported to told me to hire based upon demonstrated knowledge. He would rather have one non-degreed IT person who could demonstrate real world knowledge than TEN IT people who had the diplomas to hang on the walls.

She would always say that she's hired plenty of "dumb asses" with
degrees who were not productive and lacking in practical skills.

Smart VP! Those prove to be the best. Not having a degree has not hurt my career one single bit. If anything, it allowed me to get a 4-year head-start on the rest of my HS graduating class.

- Mark

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Sounds like me. I wanted the desktop support guy who showed initiative, adaptation and could learn what got thrown at him. I'd drop him or her
into my IT environment as a junior admin and watch them grow.

Those guys I hired are all senior IT management now.

Perfect mindset. It also helps to be in a decent enough organization that provides the growth that people like that enjoy. I have seen places that only want to fill a role and never wanted to develop talent. That was back when I was in IT in a large bank. That particular company sucked for professional growth - but did give me my first IT position. I used that to move forward somewhere else.

I find myself in a slightly similar situation right now. It will work out one way or another.

There is one IT shop here in MD that ONLY hires people with degrees. They won't even consider anyone without a degrees no matter what. This is not a place I would ever want to work anyway, but that speaks volumes for what they are like internally. Not to mention their salaries are not that great, either.

Never ran into any issues not having a degree, but I know this one particular place has that strict practice. I call it STUPID!

That organization (Black & Decker) was aquired several years ago and not sure if they changed that practice or not.

- Mark

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It wasn't that she was switched on... she was well in her 70's and knew Grace Hopper personally back in the day. She did not have the diplomas
or certifications and would tell those that did that she forgot more
than they have learned for that paper.

She was tough... and took no prisioners... and she wasn't an over
educated asshole herself... I don't think she was switched on at all... more like hardwired.

Sounds like someone I would really like. :)

- Mark

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: ALLEN PRUNTY to VK3JED on Mon May 16 2016 02:29:00

When I was responsible for hiring in my IT department the VP that I reported to told me to hire based upon demonstrated knowledge. He would rather have one non-degreed IT person who could demonstrate real world knowledge than TEN IT people who had the diplomas to hang on the walls.

She would always say that she's hired plenty of "dumb asses" with
degrees who were not productive and lacking in practical skills.

Some college programs seem to vary in the amount of detail they teach, too. I felt like my program that I took in college was fairly in-depth and intense, and I didn't really have much time for things outside of homework and work. A few years ago at work, I worked with someone who had a similar degree, but sometimes seemed to lack knowledge of some details that I thought should have been taught in classes in college. He also mentioned one time that he had lots of time in college to play intermural sports.. It made me wonder about the quality of the program at the college he went to.

I've also known a couple people who are self-taught without a degree in my field who definitely know their stuff. But at the same time, there are things that some classes teach that might be useful which I found they were not familiar with. But I felt like those were things they could learn if they needed to, since they were smart people.

Nightfox

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Weatherman wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah money and location were against me then (I was in high school for the first half of the 80s :) ).

I was in High School in the second half of the 80s. :)

You're still a sping chicken! :P

Cool. My first BBS machine was a hand built XT clone with a whopping 10MB HDD. :)

At one point, I had (2) Apple //c systems and a //gs. I told them all
and bought a loaded 286-12Mhz system with 40MB hard drive! It even had 2MB of RAM which was super state of the art for the time. Lots of DRAM chips on there!

Ahh, I remember when getting the 286 in the lab at uni was the bees knees. One could run programs a lot faster. I didn't have a 286 until the early 90s, though it quickly got upgraded to a 386SX, when I bought a cheap motherboard. Then I was in heaven, I could run DESQview properly! :)

That is what I ended up switching my BBS from Apple to PC (Apple-Net
2.4 to an early version of WWIV). I can't remember if it was 4.10 or 4.11.

Oh, OK. I ran RA all the time for the original BBS.


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Re: Hello world
By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Fri May 20 2016 01:18 am

You're right, people were HOOKED!

And when a MUD/MOO closed down, users were inconsolable.

It's odd seeing zombie game servers. There's an old Quake II server I used to play back in 1995-1997 that's still running with no servers. If you see anyone on Sheridan:City1, it's me, waiting for players. :)

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Weatherman to Poindexter Fortran on Fri May 20 2016 04:58 pm

Never ran into any issues not having a degree, but I know this one particular place has that strict practice. I call it STUPID!

I worked for a software company -- I had no degree but am smart and can learn quickly. I was a netware admin, desktop support guy, phone guy, database guy...

We had a cohesive department; I had my first desktop support promotion to IT who did IP based stuff and migrated a LAN-based email system to UNIX/POP3/LDAP and improved the company infrastructure, worked on a remote access solution, and knew windows apps inside and out. Our manager was the database guru and project manager. All came up through the ranks without a degree.

The head of engineering for the company only hired CS and science degree holders from a small set of exclusive schools, and assembled the largest collection of prima donnas, horses asses, nitwits and egomaniacs I'd ever seen.

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Precisely! And once the internet opened the floodgates and let the average person on, the quality of the exchanges went down. Access to quality
content went way up, but good intelligent conversations went way down.

Take a look at any forum, and it's littered with trolls.

Similar to how transfering files using IRC used to be in the old days. You had
to be technical and not your average Joe to have the know-how to join the channels and transfer files.

Then along comes Napster years later and the average idiot could transfer files. Naturally that didn't last long.

- Mark

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Poindexter Fortran wrote to Weatherman <=-

I worked for a software company -- I had no degree but am smart and can learn quickly. I was a netware admin, desktop support guy, phone guy, database guy...

While I did have an engineering degree when I entered IT, I didn't have a CS specific one, and I didn't really make a fuss of the degree. When I was out of work, I self taught on BBSs, and then Linux, with IP, SMTP, POP, Apache, etc. So by the time I got to that interview, I could mention that a friend and I ran a mini dialup ISP just for fun, which counted for quite a bit.

We had a cohesive department; I had my first desktop support promotion
to IT who did IP based stuff and migrated a LAN-based email system to UNIX/POP3/LDAP and improved the company infrastructure, worked on a
remote access solution, and knew windows apps inside and out. Our
manager was the database guru and project manager. All came up through
the ranks without a degree.

I was only employed as a temporary tech, but at the end of the 5 months, I had not only done that job (mostly moving PCs, software installation and maintenance, IT support, etc), but I had diagnosed and started to fix some major problems with their network, and had started laying plans to put their offices on the Internet permanently. As a result, I ended up staying on for 7 years, then another 7 years as a contractor, after a downsizing, until I wound up my business in 2011. I did iron out the rest of the issues, and kept modernising the network, transitioning some services into the cloud, as they were becoming quite a distributed enterprise (at one place, half a dozen people in 3 or 4 sites, including one in New Zealand!).

The head of engineering for the company only hired CS and science
degree holders from a small set of exclusive schools, and assembled the largest collection of prima donnas, horses asses, nitwits and
egomaniacs I'd ever seen.

The directors of my former employer hired people on merit. In the heyday, I had an assistant, who was a high school dropout who went on a program to get hands on experience in IT, and took to IT like a duck to water. He did some excellent work over the years, and last I heard was he had a decent IT job in a major company. Not bad for a high school dropout. :) He just needed the right environment and someone who would give him a go at the bottom of the ladder, and did the rest himself.


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We had a cohesive department; I had my first desktop support promotion to IT who did IP based stuff and migrated a LAN-based email system to UNIX/POP3/LDAP and improved the company infrastructure, worked on a
remote access solution, and knew windows apps inside and out. Our manager was the database guru and project manager. All came up through the ranks without a degree.

I went through the ranks too with no degree. I don't even have a single credit. Started in computer operations back in 1987 and just kept going from there. I have worked with so many different things over the years.

PC Support, Midrange systems (AS/400), DEC/VAX, Mainframe, then off to Novell Server Admin. Then to Windows Servers, Citrix, VMware.

These days I'm mainly Cisco infrastructure and security but still keep up with all the other technologies (obviously, since I run a VMware cluster at home).

The head of engineering for the company only hired CS and science degree holders from a small set of exclusive schools, and assembled the largest collection of prima donnas, horses asses, nitwits and egomaniacs I'd ever seen.

In other words.. a worthless group of people.

- Mark

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Tony,

I was in High School in the second half of the 80s. :)

You're still a sping chicken! :P

When I tell folks I'm 56, they tell me "you're still a puppy". <G>

Daryl

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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

Tony,

I was in High School in the second half of the 80s. :)

You're still a sping chicken! :P

When I tell folks I'm 56, they tell me "you're still a puppy". <G>

I'm 48 with the body of a 28 year old. :)


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NIGHTFOX wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

That's cool. :) I've used similar things in the past.. One time I bought a TV tuner card for my PC and thought that was cool - but I
planned to use it more for recording TV broadcasts. However, the
software I found at the time (even what was included with the card)
didn't seem very good - The software would either crash a lot or
produce insanely large video files. Perhaps I had something
misconfigured though.. And that was around 2000 or 2001, and I'm sure
TV tuner cards have come a long way, as I've heard about people
building media PCs these days to record TV (among other things).

I don't have cable, antenna or even satilite any more. We watch Netflix and
I'm trying a free HULU account (mainly for 11/22/63). I do buy Rebels, Flash
& Walking Dead on iTunes each year, and I buy Big Bang & Blue Bloods on
iTunes for my wife. All five are cheaper than TWO months of satillite was...

So, I don't record either, but I can re-watch via iTunes any time I want...


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MRO wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

@VIA: BBSESINF
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 09 2016 09:17 am

I always liked looking at the latest & greatest computer technology back in the day.. I was excited when I was able to buy my very own Sound Blaster 16 card.

I remember getting a PCI card that was an FM radio tuner/reciever. :-)

i had one of those too and i was excited about it. it was shit,
though. ---

LOL - well I lived just outside Memphis at the time so I had several stations
I could pick up. It was more of a novelty though. :-)


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VK3JED wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

I think one thing we forget is that the majority of households back
then did NOT have a computer, or if they did, it was for study or work, with no modems. To us, who were on BBSs, it seemed like they were commonplace, but in terms of the total population, we were a minority, unlike today, when almost everyone is online in some form.

Agreed! People I knew that had a computer had it for a particular purpose (accounting software, etc.). Then they were also so scared of viruses that
they wouldn't even DREAM of getting online...


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VK3JED wrote to KNIGHT <=-

There were a lot of people back at the tail end of the BBS days that
got onto the Internet from their universities and would play MUDs,
MUSHes (one of my personal favorite styles) and MOOs. I wonder if that
is what he was working on...

I had forgotten about those! My first internet access was a dialup to
the local 'freenet' at a community college. I telnetted into a couple
to try them out, since I had grown up on text adventure games, but never
really got into it...

Yes, they were popular. That was about the time I was on BBSs, but I didn't get on the Internet until commercial ISPs were more common (late 1994), as I had little time at uni in the early 1990s (was only
finishing a subject or two, didn't need Internet access).

Ah - the AOL days... :-)


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JEFF FRIEND wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

I recently joined a BBS overseas and was able to download my messages
from those days as the site still had alot of them. WOW! Awesome to
bring back those kind of old memories too.

I would love to see some of the Intelec and VOL_NET messages I sent and
read back in the day! :-)


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VK3JED wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Hahaha, I'm the guy that gives IT support a challenge, because by the
time I call on them, I've tried all the easy solutions and the problem
is an obscure head scratcher! :D

Same here... I tell them right up front, "My day job is IT Director for a public school system. I have tried x, y & z."

You can hear the 'pause' while they think of what it might be - usually their first thing is to bump me to tier 2...


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I was in High School in the second half of the 80s. :)

You're still a sping chicken! :P

When I tell folks I'm 56, they tell me "you're still a puppy". <G>

I'm 48 with the body of a 28 year old. :)

Sort of like the character "Baby Herman" in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit".
He tells Private Detective Eddie Valiant (the late Bob Hoskins) when
asked "A ladies man, eh??"...replying "My problem is that I've got a 50
year old lust, and a 3 year old dinkie". :P

Daryl

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MRO on Mon May 23 2016 11:03 am

i had one of those too and i was excited about it. it was shit, though. ---

LOL - well I lived just outside Memphis at the time so I had several stations I could pick up. It was more of a novelty though. :-)

yeah it was a novelty. i didnt pick up much and i think it was interference from my motherboard and other components.

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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

Agreed! People I knew that had a computer had it for a particular
purpose (accounting software, etc.). Then they were also so scared of viruses that they wouldn't even DREAM of getting online...

Yes, there was the big scare about viruses back then, even though they were easy to deal with by today's standards. Boot from a clean floppy and run a virus scan was sufficient. Or simply deleting infected files, or running fdisk /mbr to remover MBR viruses.

I was actually able to use debug to trace and hack the DOS and BIOS interrupt vectors to disable the resident parts of DOS viruses before running a virus scan, if a boot disk wasn't handy. :)

Today, it's _much_ harder, and an infected Windows system is often toast, only recoverable by reformatting and restoring from backup. :/


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

I had forgotten about those! My first internet access was a dialup to
the local 'freenet' at a community college. I telnetted into a couple
to try them out, since I had grown up on text adventure games, but
never really got into it...

I was an early customer of a commercial ISP. First account was a UNIX shell, and I later got UUCP added for the Internet - Fidonet gateway, which persisted until they stopped offering UUCP a few years later, and I had to work out how to do SMTP/NNTP on a different account/domain for the gateway.

Yes, they were popular. That was about the time I was on BBSs, but I didn't get on the Internet until commercial ISPs were more common (late 1994), as I had little time at uni in the early 1990s (was only
finishing a subject or two, didn't need Internet access).

Ah - the AOL days... :-)

Bzzzzt, wrong country. :P I recall AOL did eventually come here, but never took off.


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

Same here... I tell them right up front, "My day job is IT Director for
a public school system. I have tried x, y & z."

Haha, yeah I'd rattle off a long list of tests and troubleshooting that I've already done. They might ask a few other things ("yep done that.... and that... and...").

You can hear the 'pause' while they think of what it might be - usually their first thing is to bump me to tier 2...

That, or they give up and I end up solving the problem myself! :)


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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

Sort of like the character "Baby Herman" in "Who Framed Roger
Rabbit". He tells Private Detective Eddie Valiant (the late Bob
Hoskins) when asked "A ladies man, eh??"...replying "My problem is that I've got a 50 year old lust, and a 3 year old dinkie". :P

LOL, no, not quite! :P (I don't have that problem lol).


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VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Today, it's _much_ harder, and an infected Windows system is often
toast, only recoverable by reformatting and restoring from backup. :/

Nuke and pave. :-)


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VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Ah - the AOL days... :-)

Bzzzzt, wrong country. :P I recall AOL did eventually come here, but never took off.

LOL - still the 'days' - even though you're on the 'wrong' side of the
world the days were the same (or at least within 30 hours of each
other ;-) ).



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VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

You can hear the 'pause' while they think of what it might be - usually their first thing is to bump me to tier 2...

That, or they give up and I end up solving the problem myself! :)

Sadly, with my home ISP (DSL through local telco) they have everything
so locked down that that's not an option, even if I *KNOW* what the
problem is. :-(


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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed May 25 2016 11:57 am

Bzzzzt, wrong country. :P I recall AOL did eventually come here, but never took off.

AOL used to send me alot of AOL disk's that I would reformat and use, then the switched to sending out CD's wich I used as coasters.

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Tony,

Sort of like the character "Baby Herman" in "Who Framed Roger
Rabbit". He tells Private Detective Eddie Valiant (the late Bob
Hoskins) when asked "A ladies man, eh??"...replying "My problem is that I've got a 50 year old lust, and a 3 year old dinkie". :P

LOL, no, not quite! :P (I don't have that problem lol).

Or like the joke where the guy is so fat, and the doctor tells him he
has to diet. The guy laments "Dye It?? I can't see it!! I don't know
what color it is!!". And, the doctor said "That's why it's so
small...you're too fat!!". Well, one has to have a shed for his tool. :>

... The insurace guy to Adam & Eve: I see you're not covered.

We have a nude policy ready for purchase. :P

Daryl

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to JEFF FRIEND on Mon May 23 2016 12:58 pm

I would love to see some of the Intelec and VOL_NET messages I sent and read back in the day! :-)

A whole generation of friends of mine between 1988 and 2000 grew up, got their first jobs, got fired for the first time, partied too hard, didn't party enough, joined AA, got married and had kids. Unfortunately, only a fraction of those messages were saved anywhere.

My only surviving backup is from the tail end of those days in 2000, and don't include the majority of the messages.

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Denn Gray to Vk3jed on Wed May 25 2016 09:34 am

AOL used to send me alot of AOL disk's that I would reformat and use, then the switched to sending out CD's wich I used as coasters.

I remember the AOL coasters, I use to get alot of them. They also would work good for skeet shooting if you can find a launcher. I use to use them for frisbee's.

Mojo

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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

Today, it's _much_ harder, and an infected Windows system is often
toast, only recoverable by reformatting and restoring from backup. :/

Nuke and pave. :-)

Yep, that's the one. :D


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

LOL - still the 'days' - even though you're on the 'wrong' side of the world the days were the same (or at least within 30 hours of each
other ;-) ).

Yep, they sure were. Quite a different time to now in some ways. :)


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

That, or they give up and I end up solving the problem myself! :)

Sadly, with my home ISP (DSL through local telco) they have everything
so locked down that that's not an option, even if I *KNOW* what the problem is. :-(

Hmm, I haven't encountered that yet. My ISP is favoured by techy types, so they allow a bit of latitude and fiddle room. :)


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Denn Gray wrote to Vk3jed <=-

AOL used to send me alot of AOL disk's that I would reformat and use,
then the switched to sending out CD's wich I used as coasters.

Yeah, they tried that strategy down here for a while. Same result, I got a handful of free floppies. :D


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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Denn Gray to Vk3jed on Wed May 25 2016 09:34 am

Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed May 25 2016 11:57 am

Bzzzzt, wrong country. :P I recall AOL did eventually come here, but never took off.

AOL used to send me alot of AOL disk's that I would reformat and use, then the switched to sending out CD's wich I used as coasters.

i got kicked off aol once for saying shit. all i had to do was make another acct and get another free x amount of hours, though.
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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Vk3jed to Denn Gray on Thu May 26 2016 07:41 am

Yeah, they tried that strategy down here for a while. Same result, I got a handful of free floppies. :D

they werent 1.44 floppies though
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Daryl Stout wrote to VK3JED <=-

Or like the joke where the guy is so fat, and the doctor tells him he has to diet. The guy laments "Dye It?? I can't see it!! I don't know
what color it is!!". And, the doctor said "That's why it's so small...you're too fat!!". Well, one has to have a shed for his tool.

Oh dear LOL

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We have a nude policy ready for purchase. :P

Barely covered. :D


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Re: Re: Hello world
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 23 2016 11:02:00

I don't have cable, antenna or even satilite any more. We watch Netflix and I'm trying a free HULU account (mainly for 11/22/63). I do buy Rebels, Flash & Walking Dead on iTunes each year, and I buy Big Bang & Blue Bloods on iTunes for my wife. All five are cheaper than TWO months of satillite was...

So, I don't record either, but I can re-watch via iTunes any time I want...

Yeah, these days I've been streaming more online myself. I don't have cable TV either, but there are some shows I like to watch over the air sometimes.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Hello world
By: Mro to Vk3jed on Wed May 25 2016 09:08 pm

Yeah, they tried that strategy down here for a while. Same result, I got handful of free floppies. :D

they werent 1.44 floppies though

Still they were plentiful and free, I always drilled a hole on side opposite the lock to make them double sided.

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On May 25, 2016 09:34am, DENN GRAY wrote to VK3JED:

AOL used to send me alot of AOL disk's that I would reformat and use,
then the switched to sending out CD's wich I used as coasters.

My grandmother would take all the AOL CD's from the stand in the grocery store lobby and go home tie them to strings and hang in her garden to scare the birds and squirlles away :-)

Allen

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DENN GRAY wrote to VK3JED <=-

AOL used to send me alot of AOL disk's that I would reformat and use,
then the switched to sending out CD's wich I used as coasters.

When I was building model cars, I'd use those CD's to squirt super glue
onto, then use toothpicks to place it where it was needed. Once it
dried up and messed up the CD, toss and grab a new one! :-)


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