Hello everyone,

I'm just stopping by (via dialup!) to party like it is 1989 and check my modem connection.

I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).

Somewhat shocked that it is working so well considering that I also have three fax machines on the same line.

My computer is a Mac and I'm using Minicom in a terminal. I'm also using a high quality USB-RS235 adapter to connect the modem to
my computer through a USB hub.

BTW: I also run SBBS on a Raspberry Pi, although it is just a stock vanilla installation (nothing special). I simple use it just to
lurk on the message boards, reading posts, sometimes responding. Nothing special. I also run Kodi/XBMC on the Raspberry Pi (which
is it's main use).

I'm at telnet://bbs.emeraldhill.org, http://bbs.emeraldhill.org:8080

Anyway, just having fun. Hmm, maybe I'll get my thing fully going auto-answer dialup and get Frontdoor, mail tossers, etc, running
all again for analog Fidonet. Nah! Nostalgic, but can't even remember for to set all that suff up anymore since its been so long
ago!

Cheers, have fun...

Jerry

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JERRY ONLY wrote to ALL <=-

Hello everyone,

I'm just stopping by (via dialup!) to party like it is 1989 and check
my modem connection.

I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).

WOW - very cool! Just popping in after being away for YEARS and
having REAL conversations with REAL people is cool enough, but
now I'm messaging someone using DIAL UP! w00t! :-)

I'm using a Mac - but SyncTerm for Telnet... QWK mail via MM on
Win7 running in Parallels.


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to JERRY ONLY on Tue Mar 15 2016 09:56 am

I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).

I've been wanting to do this very thing for years now. I wonder which VoIP service has the best full width (56k)
channels that are low latency and low jitter (the real evil for encoded analog stuff like modems). Especially
since it's essentially free to call in the USA now.

There was a lot of joy in connecting out to long distance BBSes over dialup, seeing a cool ANSI screen that
reflected their hometown, etc. Something telnet hasn't quite replaced for me.

Knight

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Knight wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I've been wanting to do this very thing for years now. I wonder which
VoIP service has the best full width (56k) channels that are low
latency and low jitter (the real evil for encoded analog stuff like modems). Especially since it's essentially free to call in the USA now.

Dialup over VoIP? Or is there some special data form of the service? To me, lossy codecs and VoIP just don't sound like a match made in heaven. ;)

There was a lot of joy in connecting out to long distance BBSes over dialup, seeing a cool ANSI screen that reflected their hometown, etc. Something telnet hasn't quite replaced for me.

Hugely expensive back in the day, but even using landlines today it's often inexpensive, as many modern phone plans have untimed or unlimited landline calls over here.

As for telnet, etc, I'm pretty happy with that method of access too, though downloading a 100k QWK packet in the blink of an eye
(on a 100 Mbps LAN) is pretty crazy, instead of having to wait several or tens of minutes (depending on modem speed). :)


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 11:17 am

Dialup over VoIP? Or is there some special data form of the service? To me, lossy codecs and VoIP just don't sound like a match made in heaven. ;)

Yeah, latency and jitter are death to modems. Landlines didn't suffer from that, which is what made them so ideal. But connections are
getting faster and more reliable. I can get about 15ms roundtrip to most big VoIP provider servers on my cable internet connection, with
almost no jitter (flucuations in latency over time). And I get a staggering 250Mbps down, 30Mbps up.

So if I could find a solid MTA and voip provider with an unlimited plan with great latency/jitter, along with wide codecs (like official
G.711 which has a full 64Kbps bandwidth)... I'd start dialing out.

Many of them handle highspeed FAX transmissions, so that might be worthwhile.

(I use to do Asterisk VoIP consulting in another life back in the 2000s)

Hugely expensive back in the day, but even using landlines today it's often inexpensive, as many modern phone plans have untimed or unlimited landline calls over here.

So crazy expensive. That is what added to the allure, since you had a limited budget to call long distance, you would really enjoy the
experience. It was like communicating with someone on Mars or something.

As for telnet, etc, I'm pretty happy with that method of access too, though downloading a 100k QWK packet in the blink of an eye
(on a 100 Mbps LAN) is pretty crazy, instead of having to wait several or tens of minutes (depending on modem speed). :)

Yeah, definitely. Though there's still a lot of interface latency. Not sure why ANSI drawing takes so long over telnet. I bet if I had a
telnet client that was more like telemate/minicom/etc I would enjoy it more. SyncTerm is nice, but better on Linux/Windows then on OSX.

Knight

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 11:17 am

Dialup over VoIP? Or is there some special data form of the service? To me, lossy codecs and VoIP just don't sound like a match made in heaven. ;)

Yeah, latency and jitter are death to modems. Landlines didn't suffer
from that, which is what made them so ideal. But connections are
getting faster and more reliable. I can get about 15ms roundtrip to
most big VoIP provider servers on my cable internet connection, with almost no jitter (flucuations in latency over time). And I get a staggering 250Mbps down, 30Mbps up.

There's also the issue of codecs, which are designed to carry voice, not complex modem waveforms, though intelligent systems could detect (and demodulate) the data waveforms and carry them as data over the Internet.

So if I could find a solid MTA and voip provider with an unlimited plan with great latency/jitter, along with wide codecs (like official G.711 which has a full 64Kbps bandwidth)... I'd start dialing out.

G.711 would probably work, actually. Dropped packets will do awful things though, saw that when running SSTV over IRLP. :)

Many of them handle highspeed FAX transmissions, so that might be worthwhile.

Yep, anything that can handle fax would be a good start.

(I use to do Asterisk VoIP consulting in another life back in the
2000s)

Cool. :)

Hugely expensive back in the day, but even using landlines today it's often inexpensive, as many modern phone plans have untimed or unlimited landline calls over here.

So crazy expensive. That is what added to the allure, since you had a limited budget to call long distance, you would really enjoy the experience. It was like communicating with someone on Mars or
something.

Yes, it was, but I rarely did it, I've never had that kind of money lol. Long distance calls were for mail runs in the middle of the night (at off peak rates! :) ).

Yeah, definitely. Though there's still a lot of interface latency. Not sure why ANSI drawing takes so long over telnet. I bet if I had a
telnet client that was more like telemate/minicom/etc I would enjoy it more. SyncTerm is nice, but better on Linux/Windows then on OSX.

Syncterm renders quite quickly here. :)



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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 10:51 pm

Syncterm renders quite quickly here. :)

I definitely feel the lag when a lot of ANSI displays, or multiple keystrokes hit at same time. It's not instantaneous like a local app. But, because of net,
it's going to happen for pretty much anything.

Knight

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KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

There was a lot of joy in connecting out to long distance BBSes over dialup, seeing a cool ANSI screen that reflected their hometown, etc. Something telnet hasn't quite replaced for me.

I was always "gotta hurry up" when dialing long distance. LOL

But yeah, Telnet is fine, and with then Internet the world is
just 'right here' but some of the magic is gone...


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Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Syncterm renders quite quickly here. :)

I definitely feel the lag when a lot of ANSI displays, or multiple keystrokes hit at same time. It's not instantaneous like a local app.
But, because of net, it's going to happen for pretty much anything.

Yes, there is a subtle lag with some things, but the BBS is running on a Pi, and a 1B+ at that. I don't expect super speed! :)


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I've been wanting to do this very thing for years now. I wonder which VoIP
service has the best full width (56k)
channels that are low latency and low jitter (the real evil for encoded analog stuff like modems). Especially
since it's essentially free to call in the USA now.

AFAIK, many VOIP services will only guarantee 9600 or 14400 (mainly to
support FAX)... And in my experience you're lucky to get that.

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: tracker1 to Knight on Fri Mar 18 2016 11:06 pm

AFAIK, many VOIP services will only guarantee 9600 or 14400 (mainly to support FAX)... And in my experience you're lucky to get that.

Yes, that's true. Most are like that. My experience tells me that maybe only 5% of VoIP providers will even use lossless codecs that guarantee anything at all.

Back in the early 2000s, I use to do Asterisk VoIP consulting. I set up PBXes using Asterisk on Linux, along with FXCO cards. Getting support for FAX was a pain in the ass, until the fax standards finally became widely supported.

That said, a full ulaw codec with 64kbit width should handle it just fine, as long as the latency is low and jitter non-existant.

No doubt it will take trial and error and a lot of patience until a provider is found. And ultimately, it's likely not even worth it!

Still fun to think about...

Knight

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-=[ On 03-15-16 00:46, Jerry Only wrote to All below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Greetings... ]=-

Hi Jerry Only!

I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).

I used to own one of those modems many moons ago. US Robotics were the only modems that actually worked well for me.

Anyway, just having fun. Hmm, maybe I'll get my thing fully going auto-answer dialup and get Frontdoor, mail tossers, etc, running all
again for analog Fidonet. Nah! Nostalgic, but can't even remember for
to set all that suff up anymore since its been so long ago!

LOL, I used to run a BBS too many moons ago under OS/2 and those were the days :)



Cheers,

Bryan
Email: bhandfield(at)me(dot)com

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Argelian to Jerry Only on Sat Mar 19 2016 08:34 pm

I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).

Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)

That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

Knight

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Knight wrote to Argelian <=-

Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just
to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)

Sounds like fun. :) I actually have a few 56k dialup modems kicking around. Both the last modem I used on BBSs and the Internet, as well as some that I inherited from a previous job (surplus, were going to be tossed).

That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the
learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind putting a real modem online, if I could do it without disturbing anything else here.


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Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)

That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops).

Nightfox

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Re: Greetings...
By: Nightfox to Knight on Fri Apr 01 2016 03:43 pm

Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doub ANYONE would ever call :)

That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learni and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops)

Nightfox

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.

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Re: Greetings...
By: Nightfox to Knight on Fri Apr 01 2016 03:43 pm

Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)

That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops).

Nightfox

i had a guy who was nice enough to setup a dialup to telnet gateway for me.
for 2 years i got just a handful of calls from the same 2 people.
i dont think it's working right now, also.
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I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it
would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other

BBS sysops)

Nightfox

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.

Exactly. I haven't even had a home phone line in years, since I just use my cell phone for phone calls these days.

Nightfox

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Re: Greetings...
By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2016 01:30 am

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.

most people dont even have landlines nowadays. you dont really need one.
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Re: Greetings...
By: Mro to Denn Gray on Sat Apr 02 2016 03:02 pm

Re: Greetings...
By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2016 01:30 am

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.

most people dont even have landlines nowadays. you dont really need one.

I still have a land line, only callers I get are solicitors tho.
I am half tempted to buy a modem and use the land line for my BBS (My Wife would kill me lol).

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Re: Greetings...
By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2016 01:30 am

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's year ago.

I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't even have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some container somewhere.


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Re: Greetings...
By: Denn Gray to Mro on Sun Apr 03 2016 12:23 am

I still have a land line, only callers I get are solicitors tho.
I am half tempted to buy a modem and use the land line for my BBS (My Wife would kill me lol).

just get rid of it and use your cellphone.
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Re: Greetings...
By: Tempo Rubato to Denn Gray on Sun Apr 03 2016 10:58 am

I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't even have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some container somewhere.

you should throw things away.
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Re: Greetings...
By: Mro to Denn Gray on Sun Apr 03 2016 10:58:59

I still have a land line, only callers I get are solicitors tho.
I am half tempted to buy a modem and use the land line for my BBS (My
Wife would kill me lol).

just get rid of it and use your cellphone.

Can you even use a cell phone for that? Even if you could use a cell phone to accept BBS calls, I'd think that would be fairly impractical.

Nightfox

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Re: Greetings...
By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2016 01:30:41

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's year ago.

I bought a USB 56k modem a couple of years ago to try calling Vert and a few others over my VOIP line. It works at times, but the VOIP isn't cut out for data. The modem itself cost peanuts - a couple of pounds delivered off eBay. Makes me think of what I spent on modems 20 years ago!

LR


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Re: Greetings...
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Apr 03 2016 10:29 am

just get rid of it and use your cellphone.

Can you even use a cell phone for that? Even if you could use a cell phone to accept BBS calls, I'd think that would be fairly impractical.

no i mean for everyday life. i wouldnt spend money on a land line. especially since you cant even count on it working nowadays with an emergency.

we had that one guy mrproper who claimed to run a bbs on his cellphone and accept calls, but i think he was full of it.
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Re: Greetings...
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Apr 03 2016 14:03:16

no i mean for everyday life. i wouldnt spend money on a land line. especially since you cant even count on it working nowadays with an emergency.

Yeah, I don't really see a big need for a land line since I have my cell phone.

we had that one guy mrproper who claimed to run a bbs on his cellphone and accept calls, but i think he was full of it.

I'm not sure about that accepting actual modem calls over a phone line, but I suppose it's conceivable that someone could run at least a telnet BBS on a cell phone. iOS, for instance, is based on Darwin which is a BSD-style OS - A jailbroken iOS device could give you access to the command line, and I could see Synchronet potentially compiling on that (maybe with some tweaks). But whether you'd really want to run a BBS on a cell phone is another thing.. I personally haven't had any desire to do that, but some people like the challenge of doing things like that.

Nightfox

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Re: Greetings...
By: Nightfox to Knight on Fri Apr 01 2016 03:43 pm

just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I
highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)

I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS

I had a POTS line for a time on my board, it got more calls than I thought it would, one or two a month. When I took was preparing to take it down, I had a guy who would pop in once a year and greet everyone on new years day via dial, who told me he would not check in again unless he could dial in! He mentioned it was the only way he accessed boards when he felt nostalgic. To each their own, I guess!

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Re: Greetings...
By: Mro to Tempo Rubato on Sun Apr 03 2016 11:59 am

I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't ev have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some contain somewhere.

you should throw things away.

That's what my wife says but I decided to keep her too.

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I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't ev have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some contain somewhere.

you should throw things away.

That's what my wife says but I decided to keep her too.

Oh man! That made me laugh out loud! Thanks for the early morning
humor! :-)


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Re: Greetings...
By: Nightfox to Knight on Fri Apr 01 2016 03:43 pm

Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doub ANYONE would ever call :)
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about thelearni and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would
probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops)

Nightfox

How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.

I know I still have several (or more). I've only used them for FAX the last 10 years, but did use to call local BBS with them in the early 2000's. I might even have a few working ones for C64.


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i had a guy who was nice enough to setup a dialup to telnet gateway for me.
for 2 years i got just a handful of calls from the same 2 people.
i dont think it's working right now, also.

I had one setup for about 8 months... the only "calls" I got were the two test calls to see if it was working.

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 02 2016 08:34 am

Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)

Sounds like fun. :) I actually have a few 56k dialup modems kicking around. Both the last modem I used on BBSs and the Internet, as well as some that I inherited from a previous job (surplus, were going to be tossed).

That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind putting a real modem online, if I could do it without disturbing anything else here.

Let's do it :)

Knight

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Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, I wouldn't mind putting a real modem online, if I could do it without disturbing anything else here.

Let's do it :)

Whle I'm on ADSL, it's certainly feasible to have a dialin modem (fixed line does nothing other than collect telemarketers lol). I'd probably have to set something up as a modem server with SEXPOTS, and have it link over the network to the BBS over the network. :)



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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Mon Apr 18 2016 10:01 am

Whle I'm on ADSL, it's certainly feasible to have a dialin modem (fixed line does nothing other than collect telemarketers lol). I'd probably have to set something up as a modem server with SEXPOTS, and have it link over the network to the BBS over the network. :)

Yeah, or we can find a good MTA and a rock steady VoIP provider that uses lossless full-width codecs with low latency. It may require some trial and error, but it can be done.

Knight

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Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yeah, or we can find a good MTA and a rock steady VoIP provider that
uses lossless full-width codecs with low latency. It may require some trial and error, but it can be done.

I could probably make it work with one of my providers, but it would cost more per call to get the more optimal routing. They support just about every codec under the sun, do G711a or G711u should do the trick (since they do on POTS lines these days anyway).

My bigger issue would be ensuring the local ADSL loop behaved itself. The good thing is my router has excellent QoS features, which are turned on, the bad news is the ADSL line is quite long and subject to variable performance at times.

At this point in time, the better bet would be to make use of the underutilised POTS service that is already there and can't be removed. :) Once we get put onto the new high(er) speed network that the government is building, then that situation is likely to change.


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 07:46 am

I could probably make it work with one of my providers, but it would cost more per call to get the more optimal routing. They support just about every codec under the sun, do G711a or G711u should do the trick (since they do on POTS lines these days anyway).

Yeah, I mentioned a month or so ago about G711 alaw/ulaw. It's a full 64kbit bandwidth with no loss. Latency will be the only issue there, since latency and it's corresponding jitter measurement could make for some weird outcomes.

My bigger issue would be ensuring the local ADSL loop behaved itself. The good thing is my router has excellent QoS features, which are turned on, the bad news is the ADSL line is quite long and subject to variable performance at times.

Yuck! Yeah that could do it. That would contribute to jitter for sure. I'm pretty lucky -- my Xfinity cable connection is super fast (latency less than 10ms, down/up is 250mbps/30mbps) so it'll work great.

At this point in time, the better bet would be to make use of the underutilised POTS service that is already there and can't be removed. :) Once we get put onto the new high(er) speed network that the government is building, then that situation is likely to change.

Oh you have a POTS line? Hell yeah, that's the way to go then.

Knight

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Yeah, I mentioned a month or so ago about G711 alaw/ulaw. It's a full 64kbit bandwidth with no loss. Latency will be the only issue there,
since latency and it's corresponding jitter measurement could make for some weird outcomes.

Yeah, certainly those codecs have to work, since they work on POTS. :)

My bigger issue would be ensuring the local ADSL loop behaved itself. The good thing is my router has excellent QoS features, which are turned on, the bad news is the ADSL line is quite long and subject to variable performance at times.

Yuck! Yeah that could do it. That would contribute to jitter for sure.
I'm pretty lucky -- my Xfinity cable connection is super fast (latency less than 10ms, down/up is 250mbps/30mbps) so it'll work great.

Yeah, the line is 4.7km long, and some DSL modems don't like the line, including the one built into the router, so I use an external DSL modem in bridge mode to get online.

At this point in time, the better bet would be to make use of the underutilised POTS service that is already there and can't be removed. :) Once we get put onto the new high(er) speed network that the government is building, then that situation is likely to change.

Oh you have a POTS line? Hell yeah, that's the way to go then.

Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd do it is a small PC with a modem and SEXPOTS running on it, pointed to the BBS across the LAN. An alternative approach would be to run VoIP across the LAN with G711u/a, and use an ATA to connect the modem next to the BBS. The calls can be routed to the ATA by the PBX inside the router. But I think the first approach would be my preferred option, with the modem as close to the POTS line as possible.


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 05:39 pm

Yeah, the line is 4.7km long, and some DSL modems don't like the line, including the one built into the router, so I use an external DSL modem in bridge mode to get online.

Nasty distance. I didn't even know that DSL would work that far away. What speed do you get out of it?

The last time I had DSL (AT&T U-Verse bonded pair DSL to fiber), it was so shaky because of old wiring in the building (that I had no control over). It was a 24Mbit line that constantly handshaked down to 10MBit. It was terrible.

Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd do it is a small PC with a modem and SEXPOTS running on it, pointed to the BBS across the LAN. An alternative approach would be to run VoIP across the LAN with G711u/a, and use an ATA to connect the modem next to the BBS. The calls can be routed to the ATA by the PBX inside the router. But I think the first approach would be my preferred option, with the modem as close to the POTS line as possible.

Another consideration I had a long time ago (back in the early 2000s) was to use a software modem with a VoIP service. I have seen some come and go in various states of completion over the years. I don't know if one exists in this true form though.

There are certainly software packet modems/TNCs but they operate at much lower baud rates. But the concept is similar. The big difference would be having it plugable into a VoIP service (so need software modem <--> audio layer <--> voip interface bridge).

Above my abilities, but I'm certain it's possible. Doubt anyone wants to make it though :)

Knight

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 17:39:00

Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd

Does isp Support Dry-Loop

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 05:39 pm

Yeah, the line is 4.7km long, and some DSL modems don't like the line, including the one built into the router, so I use an external DSL modem in bridge mode to get online.

Nasty distance. I didn't even know that DSL would work that far away.
What speed do you get out of it?

I get around 3Mbps down and 900k upstream.

The last time I had DSL (AT&T U-Verse bonded pair DSL to fiber), it was
so shaky because of old wiring in the building (that I had no control over). It was a 24Mbit line that constantly handshaked down to 10MBit.
It was terrible.

I'd be happy just to get 10M! :)

Another consideration I had a long time ago (back in the early 2000s)
was to use a software modem with a VoIP service. I have seen some come
and go in various states of completion over the years. I don't know if
one exists in this true form though.

Interesting idea.

There are certainly software packet modems/TNCs but they operate at
much lower baud rates. But the concept is similar. The big difference would be having it plugable into a VoIP service (so need software modem

<--> audio layer <--> voip interface bridge).

Above my abilities, but I'm certain it's possible. Doubt anyone wants
to make it though :)

Well, I have seen modems designed to work over GSM voice circuits, so it's definitely possible. :)


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 17:39:00

Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd

Does isp Support Dry-Loop

Dry-loop? I haven't heard that terminology, might be what we call naked here. In any case, the issue is not the ISP, it's the telco that provides the actual line (different entity altogether).


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Spacesst on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:37:00

Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not
sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :)

The way I'd

Does isp Support Dry-Loop

Dry-loop? I haven't heard that terminology, might be what we call naked here. In any case, the issue is not the ISP, it's the telco that provides the actual line (different entity altogether).

Dry-loop = The Line have a phone number But No voice
just internet or/and TV


I was thinking WE (Here) late with the 15,25,50..... Mb/sec
i see we are Better compare many place

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Dry-loop? I haven't heard that terminology, might be what we call naked here. In any case, the issue is not the ISP, it's the telco that provides the actual line (different entity altogether).

Dry-loop = The Line have a phone number But No voice
just internet or/and TV

Sounds like naked DSL, which is Internet service only, no voice service.


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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:35 am

I get around 3Mbps down and 900k upstream.

Yikes, that's terrible. Are you out in the boonies? Have you thought about cable internet? I use to avoid it because it use to suck, but it's come a long way (at least here).

Well, I have seen modems designed to work over GSM voice circuits, so it's definitely possible. :)

Yep, definitely. I need to do some digging and see if there are any software modems still around.

Knight

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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:35 am

I get around 3Mbps down and 900k upstream.

Yikes, that's terrible. Are you out in the boonies? Have you thought
about cable internet? I use to avoid it because it use to suck, but
it's come a long way (at least here).

I'm 3km from the centre of a city of 100,000. Unfortunately, I happen to b exactly mid way between two exchanges. Cable is not an option, it doesn't exist here. All I can do is wait until the NBN is rolled out here, then move my Internet to the new network. Construction is due to start in Q3 this year.

Well, I have seen modems designed to work over GSM voice circuits, so it's definitely possible. :)

Yep, definitely. I need to do some digging and see if there are any software modems still around.

I'd be surprised if there weren't, as there is interest in transporting secure data across any old voice circuit, especially mobile such as GSM.


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