Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my
windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.
I still remember what happened to me after I had tried 'rescuing' an installation of some odd version of Windows from a machine and installing it on a virtual machine. I, of course, obfuscated some of that knowledge from them, but at one point they realized it was going to be on something other than the original metal and they said "Windows is born on this machine, and it dies on this machine." That was pretty much the end of the call.
On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.
This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to Linux. I'd recommend "Linux Mint" as a starter and for the desktop
On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to Linux.
it's worth picking up a non-OEM copy of Windows, as those aren't tied to the hardware.
yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.
i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4 legit windows licenses].
On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not
reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
reinstalling everything from scratch.
yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.
i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4 legit windows licenses].
Windows 10. They were more laxed but as of recent I think they are getting picky again. Even spoke directly to them (unfortunately) ended up reinstalling windows 8, activating it by phone and then doing the upgrade to windows 10 again. Is a bit frustrating.
Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
By: Mro to Rastus on Thu Jan 21 2016 06:17 pm
On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not
reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
reinstalling everything from scratch.
Ouch! I don't understand why M$ would choose to do that?
yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.
i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4 legit windows licenses].
Run linux and VirtualBox a windows install. tada!
echto
Crappy part about it is my Windows 8 is non-OEM. And upgraded from that and they still weren't willing to help me save wasting my time.
Hm. Was it an OEM install of Windows 10 (e.g. came on a store-bought PC)?
Hm. Was it an OEM install of Windows 10 (e.g. came on a store-bought PC)?
Windows 10 is from the free upgrade offer but I did upgrade from a non-OEM windows 8.
you're quoting 2 different people and replying to one.
Very strange. I didn't think that was there policy with non-OEM versions.
it's worth picking up a non-OEM copy of Windows, as those aren't tied to the hardware.
Very strange. I didn't think that was there policy with non-OEM versions.
Maybe they just like to make life hard or something :D All good though.. Took more time but it all works in the end.
with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.How many times I have been without a good backup. Used to use ghost for that.
This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to Linux. I'd recommend "Linux Mint" as a starter and for the desktop environment I'd start out with 'Cinnamon', you can always install
multiple desktop environments and find the one that works best for you.
I still remember what happened to me after I had tried 'rescuing' an installation of some odd version of Windows from a machine and installing it on a virtual machine. I, of course, obfuscated some of that knowledge from them, but at one point they realized it was going to be on something other than the original metal and they said "Windows is born on this machine, and it dies on this machine." That was pretty much the end of the call.
with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.
I've heard Microsoft allows doing a clean install of Win10 even if you have the upgrade:
http://bit.ly/1S4KUq8
with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.
I've heard Microsoft allows doing a clean install of Win10 even if you have the upgrade:
http://bit.ly/1S4KUq8
yeah but i didnt know what the freaking code was because it was preinstalled on a cheap asus laptop.
There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you. But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked, Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something (possibly encrypted).
There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you.
But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on
whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked,
Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I
figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something
(possibly encrypted).
no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.
doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something (possibly encrypted).
I had to (try to) reinstall/repair Win10 on my Thinkpad last year, which I had upgraded to from 8.1, which I had upgraded to from 7. It was kind of a clusterfuck (I ended up reinstalling from scratch), but if I remember
What happned did windows realize hardware changed? That sucks.. I find I can reinstall XP as
much as I want.. How long will MS let me update to WIN10? if something dies? 2 of mine are
Win10 1 vista 1 XP. Sorry about your luck..
I think you can have on was it up to 3 computers? I have never
had a problem. With calling them, punching it in. activation and getting an automated response that works. Wonder what version they said no to? mostly ran XP home here then Win7 skipped 8 ham station runs Vista... built in restore on that one.. I did do the free win10 update on my
gaming desktop that had 7 on it.. so from what I'm hearing if it dies..
I may end up buying it.. Note to Self make a partition backup.. I'm with you on not wanting to buy what is mostly free right now..
no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.
Then what is it that they give you?
That new "fresh install" option from F8 is a winner. It does a fresh installation of Windows 10, moves Windows to Windows.old, removes anything not part of the install and gives you a list of the applications that need to be re-installed. Fixed a slew of issues with my Windows 7 to 8.1 to 10 install that never worked right and didn't require a license key.
no they dont actually extract the license code that you would
punch in when prompted in a windows install.
Then what is it that they give you?
it gives you a code with a few extra digits that is sort of a hash based on the original code.
that's atleast what it does when you run it on a windows install with a vlk. ---
I tried running one of those tools once. It gave me a Windows 10 key in alphanumeric format in the format #####-#####-#####-#####-##### (where # is a number or letter). It looked to me like it was probably a valid Windows serial number. I haven't yet tried doing a fresh install with it, but I've been planning on it.
Re: Why M$ Why!
By: Mro to Nightfox on Mon Jan 25 2016 19:57:11
There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you.
But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on
whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked,
Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I
figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something
(possibly encrypted).
no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.
Then what is it that they give you?
Nightfox
IThere are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you.
But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on
whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked,
Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license.
figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something
(possibly encrypted).
no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.
Then what is it that they give you?
Nightfox
You can use the tool System Information For Windows. I use it, paid for, and I can get practically any information from a PC.
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.I loathe M$ for that.. hence why I'm on an iMac :)
reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my dayI loathe M$ for that.. hence why I'm on an iMac :)
reinstalling everything from scratch.
Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.
Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
reinstalling everything from scratch.
I loathe M$ for that.. hence why I'm on an iMac :)
Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.
One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my
system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a backup, and in the past, it seemed like Linux filesystems were always fussy - but maybe that was just due to my lack of knowledge. These days, I've found that CloneZilla works fairly well in making a hard drive image or a
yeah, instead of replacing a motherboard, you just buy a new computer.
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yeah, instead of replacing a motherboard, you just buy a new computer.
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makes more sense to do that if it was a pre-built machine. But its a
custom gaming desktop machine and there's no reason to replace the case,
psu and other components. So I replaced the board, processor and ram.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Argelian <=-
Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a
TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.
Mro wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
hold on now, shit isnt THAT easy with linux.
Mro wrote to Nightfox <=-
what i've done is learn to just change the way i do things.
i keep my files organized and it's not a shock to have to reinstall the os. in windows i just copy my userprofile dir over and install a few programs and i'm good.
if i were to redo bbses.info or my home web(which is linux, of
course)that would be a few days.
I make use of a lot of cloud services for critical data. The rest generally doesn't matter.
well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when updating hw.
well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when updating hw.
Yeah, Guess I missed that for some reason. Totally agree.
hold on now, shit isnt THAT easy with linux.
Depends what you're trying to do. Automation in Linux is usually _much_ easier than Windows, because there's a whole range of scripting languages and command line tools available. I have all sorts of clever automation
I make use of a lot of cloud services for critical data. The rest
generally doesn't matter. It's not too hard to install <insert OS here>
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the encryption and getting
my critical data..
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i think stuff is pretty much the same in that regard. there's many scripting choices to choose from and you can use powershell to do tons
of shit.
there's windows system admins and they dont like things the hardway, so
a lot of the same tools exist on all oses.
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
it's funny you mention cloud services. i got yet another email from a cloud service saying they are shutting down.
it was called copy or something like that.
i have yunpan360 which is chinese and they have like 35tb you can get
for free and they have apps for all platforms. i encrypt my shit before uploading it there.
One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a
Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the encryption and getting
my critical data..
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i think stuff is pretty much the same in that regard. there's many scripting choices to choose from and you can use powershell to do tons
of shit.
there's windows system admins and they dont like things the hardway, so
a lot of the same tools exist on all oses.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Nightfox <=-
tar cvzf /dev/some-external-drive ~ dumps everything in your home dir
to an external. For a desktop that's been fine. Re-install the OS,
apt-get the apps, restore and you're done.
One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a
tar cvzf /dev/some-external-drive ~ dumps everything in your home dir to an external. For a desktop that's been fine. Re-install the OS, apt-get the apps, restore and you're done.
I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their own path somewhere).
Nightfox wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in
re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also
save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their
own path somewhere).
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Nightfox <=-
I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their own path somewhere).
The point's moot if you don't need to do it often, or at all. :)
well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when
updating hw.
I don't know why Apple has gone in that direction. I heard the latest Mac Mini has RAM that's soldered directly in, so you can't replace/upgrade the RAM if you wanted to.
The easiest way to upgrade a Mac is to buy a whole new Mac.
Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for
critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the
encryption and getting
my critical data..
Same could be said for any storage. Backup media can be stolen (or destroyed), data on the main system can be broken into, etc. Every option carries risk. If you don't want risk, turn the PC off and throw it into an active volcano. :) ... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by
I think you're onto something there Nf. Why sell parts when you can sell the whole (super overpriced, shitty performance) system every 5-6 years, over and over and over again?
I'm all for Linux (Currently running SteamOS, it rocks), but I need me Windows box for gaming. So far there's really no better value for gaming.
One of my current favorite Linux distros is Mint Linux, but I've been thinking of trying SteamOS. Also, I've heard that with the latest Wine and configuration tools such as WineTricks, it's getting easier and easier to run Windows apps on Linux, including games - although I'd still be surprised if the more intensive Windows games could run on Linux that way.
Wine has gotten pretty good. I can get Photoshop running in it, iTunes won't run and Outlook won't run. If I could get Outlook running I would move wholesale to Linux.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
But more people potentially have access to it when it's out there in
the cloud. :)
Wine has gotten pretty good. I can get Photoshop running in it, iTunes won't run and Outlook won't run. If I could get Outlook running I would move wholesale to Linux.
Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is plenty featurefull for my needs.
Nightfox wrote to Al <=-
Sometimes it might just come down to personal preference. But when
used with a Microsoft Exchange email server, there are some features
that can be useful. One fature that Microsoft Exchange (server) has is that you can "recall" a message, so as long as the receiver has not checked/read their email yet, you can basically un-send your email, or edit/replace it with another email. Outlook supports that feature when used with a MS Exchange server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft
proprietary feature though, as I haven't seen that when working with
any other email software.
server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft proprietary feature though, as I
haven't seen that when working with any other email software.
Exchange has decent calendar syncing for meeting planning too. And if configured correctly, livemeeting and lync are really nice... though it works like crap on mac (doesn't), and my current workplace doesn't have it setup correctly. I will say one thing about GoDaddy, their outlook/lync integration worked better than anyplace I've worked in the past.
Sometimes it might just come down to personal preference.
But when used
with a Microsoft Exchange email server, there are some features that can be useful. One fature that Microsoft Exchange (server) has is that you can "recall" a message, so as long as the receiver has not checked/read their email yet, you can basically un-send your email, or edit/replace it with another email. Outlook supports that feature when used with a MS Exchange server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft proprietary feature though, as I haven't seen that when working with any other email software.
That is interesting. My only experience with outlook was outlook express years ago when I was using windows. It worked well for me and I never had any reason to use anything else. Once I switched to linux I tried many email apps and eventually settled on claws-mail and have been using it for a long time now.
The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.
Nightfox wrote to Al <=-
Interesting, I haven't tried Claws-mail. A long time ago I used to use Eudora (for Windows), but I got tired of its shareware nag screens, so
I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird. One thing that made the switch easy was that Thunderbird (at the time) was able to import my Eudora email folders, so I was able to easily keep all of my saved email in Thunderbird. One advantage of Thunderbird is that it's developed for Windows, Linux, and OS X, so I can use the same program on all 3
platforms if I wanted to. However, these days I tend to use email
through my web browser (I use my Gmail and Hotmail accounts most
often).
The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.
That's a feature that has to be supported by both the client software
and email server, and the recipient's email server & client software as well. I haven't seen it implemented anywhere other than Microsoft Exchange and Outlook.
Outlook does have some nice features, especially for the corporate world, wh used with Exchange.
The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.
That's a feature that has to be supported by both the client software and email server, and the recipient's email server & client software as well. I haven't seen it implemented anywhere other than Microsoft Exchange and Outlook.
And I've seen people get burned trying to recall email from their Outlook/Exchange setup! :)
Outlook & Lync seem to work fairly well where I work. I noticed that Microsoft started switching Lync over to "Skype for Business" a while ago though, although it still has the Lync name on it. Also, since upgradingto
Outlook 2013 (or maybe when I got my latest laptop) at work, one small annoying thing that bugs me is that when I power up my work laptop from hibernate mode and connect to the network, my Outlook inbox doesn't show anything (even if it shows there are new messages) until I click onanother
folder and then back on my Inbox again.
Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is plenty featurefull for my needs.
Exchange has decent calendar syncing for meeting planning too. And if configured correctly, livemeeting and lync are really nice... though it works like crap on mac (doesn't), and my current workplace doesn't have it setup correctly. I will say one thing about GoDaddy, their outlook/lync integration worked better than anyplace I've worked in the past.
Yeah, they f'd up the syncing for better scaling, and it kind of sucks... Another issue I had, don't know if they fixed, is when I had lync setup on my phone and work computer, it didn't synchronize messages to both.. so if my phone picked up a message while at work, I didn't see it until lunch or end of day.
Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it
works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is
plenty featurefull for my needs.
For IMAP and POP mail, I'm happy with Thunderbird.
I use Outlook with an Exchange server at work and need to connect to it; it's easier if I can do so from my home laptop, too.
I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird. One thing that made the switch
easy was that Thunderbird (at the time) was able to import my Eudora email folders, so I was able to easily keep all of my saved email in Thunderbird. One advantage of Thunderbird is that it's developed for Windows, Linux, and OS X, so I can use the same program on all 3 platforms if I wanted to. However, these days I tend to use email through my web browser (I use my Gmail and Hotmail accounts most often).
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i hate where thunderbird went development wise so i use poppeeper on windows and that handles my 20+ email accts nicely
i hate where thunderbird went development wise so i use poppeeper on windows and that handles my 20+ email accts nicely
Hmm, never heard of that email client. Another reason I use Thunderbird is
Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
poppeeper is a light weight no BS client that works with all webmail services and imap and pop3. it has a few utilities for it.
i like it because it's small and doesnt overshadow the rest of the os.
usually i just foward all email to my phone so i can deal with shit
when i'm at work or out.
usually i just foward all email to my phone so i can deal with shit when i'm at work or out.
That would be a total pain for me. I do look at the main inbox if I'm looking for something specific, but mailing lists and other known stuff are sorded into folders server side. :)
Yeah, they f'd up the syncing for better scaling, and it kind of
sucks... Another issue I had, don't know if they fixed, is when I had
lync setup on my phone and work computer, it didn't synchronize
messages to both.. so if my phone picked up a message while at work, I
didn't see it until lunch or end of day.
I don't know if there's a solution for that -- it's a problem at our site, and has some of our team sticking with consumer Skype.
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