• Why M$ Why!

    From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to All on Monday, January 18, 2016 20:10:15
    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Deepend on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 23:54:24
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to All on Mon Jan 18 2016 08:10 pm

    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.

    What version of Windows? It seems to me that Microsoft has been more laxed in recent Windows versions regarding changing hardware components and maintaing the activation. Maybe they're less worried about piracy nowadays. <shrug>

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  • From Rastus@VERT/EWBBS to Deepend on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 06:21:12
    On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my
    windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.

    This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to
    Linux. I'd recommend "Linux Mint" as a starter and for the desktop environment I'd start out with 'Cinnamon', you can always install
    multiple desktop environments and find the one that works best for you.

    There are no up-front costs but there is a learning curve.. However,
    online tasks should be very easy. The only hold back for you might if
    you own a lot of high-end games. Gaming on Linux is good and getting
    better but not all games written for M$ will run under WINE. That said
    there are many hundreds of games written for Linux and most of then are
    free.. and Steam is also an option..

    Just my 2 cents..

    Nicholas

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Deepend on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 15:59:07
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to All on Mon Jan 18 2016 20:10:15

    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.

    I still remember what happened to me after I had tried 'rescuing' an installation of some odd version of Windows from a machine and installing it on a virtual machine. I, of course, obfuscated some of that knowledge from them, but at one point they realized it was going to be on something other than the original metal and they said "Windows is born on this machine, and it dies on this machine." That was pretty much the end of the call.
    Fascist #$&*%^s

    -D/K

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Khelair on Thursday, January 21, 2016 06:50:50
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Khelair to Deepend on Wed Jan 20 2016 03:59 pm

    I still remember what happened to me after I had tried 'rescuing' an installation of some odd version of Windows from a machine and installing it on a virtual machine. I, of course, obfuscated some of that knowledge from them, but at one point they realized it was going to be on something other than the original metal and they said "Windows is born on this machine, and it dies on this machine." That was pretty much the end of the call.

    it's worth picking up a non-OEM copy of Windows, as those aren't tied to the hardware.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Rastus on Thursday, January 21, 2016 18:17:57
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Rastus to Deepend on Wed Jan 20 2016 06:21 am

    On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.

    This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to Linux. I'd recommend "Linux Mint" as a starter and for the desktop


    yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.

    i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4
    legit windows licenses].
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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Digital Man on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 18:27:35
    Windows 10. They were more laxed but as of recent I think they are getting picky again. Even spoke directly to them (unfortunately) ended up reinstalling windows 8, activating it by phone and then doing the upgrade to windows 10 again. Is a bit frustrating.

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Rastus on Thursday, January 21, 2016 23:23:09
    On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:

    This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to Linux.

    I do wish a big F U to microsoft were a way to go. Atleast not on this machine. I used to dual boot linux on this machine until my last rebuild. Maybe again in the future. I mostly use linux on my servers not so much on the desktop (as I still play alot of windows only games)

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Poindexter Fortran on Thursday, January 21, 2016 23:26:30
    it's worth picking up a non-OEM copy of Windows, as those aren't tied to the hardware.

    Crappy part about it is my Windows 8 is non-OEM. And upgraded from that and they still weren't willing to help me save wasting my time. Is all good though. If it comes down to it and I end up with this issue in the future (when the upgrade isn't free) I will just install Windows 8.1 again and call it a day. :)

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Mro on Thursday, January 21, 2016 23:31:30
    yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.

    Yeah unfortunately your right on that. Wish it was the other way around since I do like quite a few different distributions of Linux on the desktop side of things.

    i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4 legit windows licenses].

    Been there done that in the past. Seems the older I get the more I tend to only purchase my software.

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Mro on Thursday, January 21, 2016 17:35:33
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to Rastus on Thu Jan 21 2016 06:17 pm

    On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not
    reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
    reinstalling everything from scratch.

    Ouch! I don't understand why M$ would choose to do that?

    yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.

    i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4 legit windows licenses].

    Run linux and VirtualBox a windows install. tada!

    echto

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Deepend on Friday, January 22, 2016 00:01:08
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to Digital Man on Wed Jan 20 2016 06:27 pm

    Windows 10. They were more laxed but as of recent I think they are getting picky again. Even spoke directly to them (unfortunately) ended up reinstalling windows 8, activating it by phone and then doing the upgrade to windows 10 again. Is a bit frustrating.

    Hm. Was it an OEM install of Windows 10 (e.g. came on a store-bought PC)?

    digital man

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to echto on Friday, January 22, 2016 06:35:53
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: echto to Mro on Thu Jan 21 2016 05:35 pm

    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to Rastus on Thu Jan 21 2016 06:17 pm

    On 01/18/2016 10:10 PM, Deepend wrote:
    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not
    reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
    reinstalling everything from scratch.

    Ouch! I don't understand why M$ would choose to do that?

    yeah but if he likes windows, linux isnt a replacement for windows products. they're two different things pretty much.

    i'd just run a cracked version of windows [and i do even though i have 4 legit windows licenses].

    Run linux and VirtualBox a windows install. tada!

    echto


    you're quoting 2 different people and replying to one.
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Deepend on Friday, January 22, 2016 06:11:44
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Jan 21 2016 11:26 pm

    Crappy part about it is my Windows 8 is non-OEM. And upgraded from that and they still weren't willing to help me save wasting my time.

    That's surprising. Sorry to hear that.

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Digital Man on Friday, January 22, 2016 11:43:32
    Hm. Was it an OEM install of Windows 10 (e.g. came on a store-bought PC)?


    Windows 10 is from the free upgrade offer but I did upgrade from a non-OEM windows 8.

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Deepend on Friday, January 22, 2016 16:55:44
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to Digital Man on Fri Jan 22 2016 11:43 am

    Hm. Was it an OEM install of Windows 10 (e.g. came on a store-bought PC)?


    Windows 10 is from the free upgrade offer but I did upgrade from a non-OEM windows 8.

    Very strange. I didn't think that was there policy with non-OEM versions.

    digital man

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  • From echto@VERT/ECHTOBBS to Mro on Friday, January 22, 2016 09:36:57
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to echto on Fri Jan 22 2016 06:35 am

    you're quoting 2 different people and replying to one.

    *doh! thx

    echto

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Digital Man on Friday, January 22, 2016 20:06:21
    Very strange. I didn't think that was there policy with non-OEM versions.


    Maybe they just like to make life hard or something :D All good though.. Took more time but it all works in the end.

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Poindexter Fortran on Friday, January 22, 2016 16:05:54
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Khelair on Thu Jan 21 2016 06:50:50

    it's worth picking up a non-OEM copy of Windows, as those aren't tied to the hardware.

    I honestly did not know what the deal with the OEM stuff was all about. Thank you for explaining that a bit.
    Any idea if it's something that I can install on a 2nd partition of a 3rd drive and still dual boot? :'D

    -D/K

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deepend on Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:45:41
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to Digital Man on Fri Jan 22 2016 08:06 pm

    Very strange. I didn't think that was there policy with non-OEM versions.


    Maybe they just like to make life hard or something :D All good though.. Took more time but it all works in the end.



    i had the upgrade to win10 from 2 legit windows 8 computers screw up on me several times. i dont think they have it all figured out yet.

    with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Sunday, January 24, 2016 19:59:05
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to Deepend on Sun Jan 24 2016 11:45:41

    with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.

    I've heard Microsoft allows doing a clean install of Win10 even if you have the upgrade:
    http://bit.ly/1S4KUq8

    Nightfox

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Deepend on Monday, January 25, 2016 00:53:06
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to All on Mon Jan 18 2016 08:10 pm

    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.
    How many times I have been without a good backup. Used to use ghost for that.
    My linux box I have a raid array and LVM.. drives dies it should rewrite a new one.
    What happned did windows realize hardware changed? That sucks.. I find I can reinstall XP as
    much as I want.. How long will MS let me update to WIN10? if something dies? 2 of mine are
    Win10 1 vista 1 XP. Sorry about your luck..

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Rastus on Monday, January 25, 2016 01:05:31
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Rastus to Deepend on Wed Jan 20 2016 06:21 am

    This would be the perfect time to say "FU Microsoft" and switch over to Linux. I'd recommend "Linux Mint" as a starter and for the desktop environment I'd start out with 'Cinnamon', you can always install
    multiple desktop environments and find the one that works best for you.

    I like Gentoo but you have to Update everyday to keep things running smooth.
    I didn't have much luck with mint. Ubuntu seems to run great as well.. and will apt-get
    install things much faster then gentoo. There are soo many flavors of linux to pick from.
    Try some live CD's out.. At this point you could use a boot loader and choose either your
    windoze or linux.. I love my linux because of large selection of FREE Stuff. The best example
    to me is the free openoffice stuff spreadsheet word etc.. that you have to spend big bucks for
    on windoze. There is my 2 cents-- Love my KDE... everything you need to know you can google
    how to wiki..

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Khelair on Monday, January 25, 2016 01:15:20
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Khelair to Deepend on Wed Jan 20 2016 03:59 pm

    I still remember what happened to me after I had tried 'rescuing' an installation of some odd version of Windows from a machine and installing it on a virtual machine. I, of course, obfuscated some of that knowledge from them, but at one point they realized it was going to be on something other than the original metal and they said "Windows is born on this machine, and it dies on this machine." That was pretty much the end of the call.

    I think you can have on was it up to 3 computers? I have never
    had a problem. With calling them, punching it in. activation and getting an automated response
    that works. Wonder what version they said no to? mostly ran XP home here then Win7 skipped 8
    ham station runs Vista... built in restore on that one.. I did do the free win10 update on my
    gaming desktop that had 7 on it.. so from what I'm hearing if it dies.. I may end up buying
    it.. Note to Self make a partition backup.. I'm with you on not wanting to buy what is mostly
    free right now..

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, January 25, 2016 17:20:38
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Jan 24 2016 07:59 pm

    with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.

    I've heard Microsoft allows doing a clean install of Win10 even if you have the upgrade:
    http://bit.ly/1S4KUq8


    yeah but i didnt know what the freaking code was because it was preinstalled
    on a cheap asus laptop.

    now i dont need to worry about that cause the gf's kid just dumped a whole bottle of water on the keyboard and left it there for like 10 seconds while it fried.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Monday, January 25, 2016 16:03:56
    with one of them the only way was to do a full new install with the iso, but then it's not registered because it's not starting off with the legit win8 license because it's a full new install.

    I've heard Microsoft allows doing a clean install of Win10 even if you have the upgrade:
    http://bit.ly/1S4KUq8

    yeah but i didnt know what the freaking code was because it was preinstalled on a cheap asus laptop.

    There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you. But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked, Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something (possibly encrypted).

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, January 25, 2016 19:57:11
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Mon Jan 25 2016 04:03 pm

    There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you. But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked, Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something (possibly encrypted).



    no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.

    anyways, too much fucking hassle.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 07:32:08
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Mon Jan 25 2016 19:57:11

    There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you.
    But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on
    whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked,
    Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I
    figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something
    (possibly encrypted).

    no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.

    Then what is it that they give you?

    Nightfox

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  • From ZeoNet@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:07:44
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Mon Jan 25 2016 16:03:56

    doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something (possibly encrypted).

    I had to (try to) reinstall/repair Win10 on my Thinkpad last year, which I had upgraded to from 8.1, which I had upgraded to from 7. It was kind of a clusterfuck (I ended up reinstalling from scratch), but if I remember correctly the license key is just stored in the registry as plaintext.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to ZeoNet on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:41:19
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: ZeoNet to Nightfox on Tue Jan 26 2016 12:07 pm

    I had to (try to) reinstall/repair Win10 on my Thinkpad last year, which I had upgraded to from 8.1, which I had upgraded to from 7. It was kind of a clusterfuck (I ended up reinstalling from scratch), but if I remember

    That new "fresh install" option from F8 is a winner. It does a fresh installation of Windows 10, moves Windows to Windows.old, removes anything not part of the install and gives you a list of the applications that need to be re-installed. Fixed a slew of issues with my Windows 7 to 8.1 to 10 install that never worked right and didn't require a license key.

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Timesoarer on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 16:41:58
    What happned did windows realize hardware changed? That sucks.. I find I can reinstall XP as
    much as I want.. How long will MS let me update to WIN10? if something dies? 2 of mine are
    Win10 1 vista 1 XP. Sorry about your luck..


    Yes.. Windows noticed the hardware change and wouldn't give me the option to reactivate it. So I called M$ and they were no help at all.
    Can't complain too much yet seeing as it was free. But they should have a better solution to address these issues.

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Khelair@VERT/TINFOIL to Timesoarer on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 15:58:39
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Timesoarer to Khelair on Mon Jan 25 2016 01:15:20

    I think you can have on was it up to 3 computers? I have never
    had a problem. With calling them, punching it in. activation and getting an automated response that works. Wonder what version they said no to? mostly ran XP home here then Win7 skipped 8 ham station runs Vista... built in restore on that one.. I did do the free win10 update on my
    gaming desktop that had 7 on it.. so from what I'm hearing if it dies..
    I may end up buying it.. Note to Self make a partition backup.. I'm with you on not wanting to buy what is mostly free right now..

    That doesn't sound like any version that I've ever used. Well not one that I've paid for, anyway.
    For me the difference between 'doze and *NIX is pretty simple. Windows is a nice racecar, it can kick ass with the games and the show, but when you want a full utility semi that you can do anything with, you pick *NIX.

    -D/K

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 22:09:41
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Jan 26 2016 07:32 am


    no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.

    Then what is it that they give you?

    it gives you a code with a few extra digits that is sort of a hash based on the original code.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 22:10:58
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to ZeoNet on Tue Jan 26 2016 11:41 am

    That new "fresh install" option from F8 is a winner. It does a fresh installation of Windows 10, moves Windows to Windows.old, removes anything not part of the install and gives you a list of the applications that need to be re-installed. Fixed a slew of issues with my Windows 7 to 8.1 to 10 install that never worked right and didn't require a license key.


    is that just something that is vendor specific?
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  • From Doctor Who@VERT/THE5THD to Deepend on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 21:06:16
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to All on Mon Jan 18 2016 08:10 pm

    And that would be one of the reasons I jumped off the M$ bandwagon. I stuck with M$ from WfWG 3.11 to Win 95 to Win98 to Win98SE to Windows XP. Now I use Linux almost exclusively although I have Windows XP available if I need it (which
    isn't often). I've also tinkered with FreeBSD on a few occasions, but I always went back to Linux.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mro on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 07:49:29
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Tue Jan 26 2016 22:09:41

    no they dont actually extract the license code that you would
    punch in when prompted in a windows install.

    Then what is it that they give you?

    it gives you a code with a few extra digits that is sort of a hash based on the original code.
    that's atleast what it does when you run it on a windows install with a vlk. ---

    I tried running one of those tools once. It gave me a Windows 10 key in alphanumeric format in the format #####-#####-#####-#####-##### (where # is a number or letter). It looked to me like it was probably a valid Windows serial number. I haven't yet tried doing a fresh install with it, but I've been planning on it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 27, 2016 20:41:41
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Wed Jan 27 2016 07:49 am

    I tried running one of those tools once. It gave me a Windows 10 key in alphanumeric format in the format #####-#####-#####-#####-##### (where # is a number or letter). It looked to me like it was probably a valid Windows serial number. I haven't yet tried doing a fresh install with it, but I've been planning on it.



    yeah i cant remember the name of the tool i used but it was one of the most popular at that time. it gives you a code like that and you can use it to verify that you have the correct registered oem installation with microsoft. ---
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  • From Jeff Friend@VERT/MORDOR to Nightfox on Thursday, January 28, 2016 16:32:30
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Mro on Tue Jan 26 2016 07:32 am

    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Mro to Nightfox on Mon Jan 25 2016 19:57:11

    There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you.
    But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on
    whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked,
    Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license. I
    figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something
    (possibly encrypted).

    no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.

    Then what is it that they give you?

    Nightfox

    You can use the tool System Information For Windows. I use it, paid for, and I can get practically any information from a PC.

    Jeff

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jeff Friend on Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:17:42
    There are software tools that will retrieve your license code for you.
    But as far as I can tell, they are from 3rd parties, so it depends on
    whether you want to trust such a tool or not.. Last time I checked,
    Microsoft doesn't provide a software tool to give you your license.
    I
    figure it must be stored in the Windows registry or something
    (possibly encrypted).

    no they dont actually extract the license code that you would punch in when prompted in a windows install.

    Then what is it that they give you?

    Nightfox

    You can use the tool System Information For Windows. I use it, paid for, and I can get practically any information from a PC.

    Thanks for the tip - That sounds like it would be a useful tool.

    Nightfox

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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Deepend on Thursday, January 21, 2016 19:55:00
    -=[ On 01-18-16 20:10, Deepend wrote to All below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Why M$ Why! ]=-

    Hi Deepend!

    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day reinstalling everything from scratch.
    I loathe M$ for that.. hence why I'm on an iMac :)

    Cheers,

    Bryan
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Argelian on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 06:17:39
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Argelian to Deepend on Thu Jan 21 2016 07:55 pm

    reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
    reinstalling everything from scratch.
    I loathe M$ for that.. hence why I'm on an iMac :)

    Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:25:47
    Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.

    One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a backup, and in the past, it seemed like Linux filesystems were always fussy - but maybe that was just due to my lack of knowledge. These days, I've found that CloneZilla works fairly well in making a hard drive image or a drive-to-drive copy of a Linux system.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Argelian on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 17:13:47
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Argelian to Deepend on Thu Jan 21 2016 07:55 pm

    Frustrating that I had to replace my motherboard and M$ will not reactivate my windows. So I have to waste hours of my day
    reinstalling everything from scratch.

    I loathe M$ for that.. hence why I'm on an iMac :)


    yeah, instead of replacing a motherboard, you just buy a new computer.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 17:16:15
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Argelian on Tue Feb 02 2016 06:17 am


    Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.


    hold on now, shit isnt THAT easy with linux.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 17:19:23
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 02 2016 12:25 pm

    One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my
    system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a backup, and in the past, it seemed like Linux filesystems were always fussy - but maybe that was just due to my lack of knowledge. These days, I've found that CloneZilla works fairly well in making a hard drive image or a


    what i've done is learn to just change the way i do things.

    i keep my files organized and it's not a shock to have to reinstall the os. in windows i just copy my userprofile dir over and install a few programs and i'm good.

    if i were to redo bbses.info or my home web(which is linux, of course)that would be a few days.
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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Mro on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 18:56:48
    yeah, instead of replacing a motherboard, you just buy a new computer.
    ---

    makes more sense to do that if it was a pre-built machine. But its a custom gaming desktop machine and there's no reason to replace the case, psu and other components. So I replaced the board, processor and ram.

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Doctor Who on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 18:58:59
    Yeah, Linux is great. I use it mostly for my servers but I do run it on my workstation I use for my website work and such. But still run a current Windows OS for my gaming I like to do. (mostly racing sims and flight sims)

    Thanks
    Mike

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deepend on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 21:10:31
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Deepend to Mro on Tue Feb 02 2016 06:56 pm

    yeah, instead of replacing a motherboard, you just buy a new computer.
    ---

    makes more sense to do that if it was a pre-built machine. But its a
    custom gaming desktop machine and there's no reason to replace the case,
    psu and other components. So I replaced the board, processor and ram.




    well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when updating hw.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 08:58:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Argelian <=-

    Once you know Linux, it's the slack-iest desktop around. It'll auto upgrade VERSIONS for you, no licensing issues to speak of, much better resistant to hardware obsolescence than Windows or MacOS, and doing a
    TAR backup of your home directory gets most of what you'd need if something goes sideways.

    Linux certainly has a lot of advantages, and backing up is a huge one. Can even back up an entire system using tar and restore it onto a new disk with a recovery CD and a little fiddling with GRUB.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 14:48:00
    Mro wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-


    hold on now, shit isnt THAT easy with linux.

    Depends what you're trying to do. Automation in Linux is usually _much_ easier than Windows, because there's a whole range of scripting languages and command line tools available. I have all sorts of clever automation here - one Linux netbook automatically records podcasts every week, and each week, deletes the uncompressed copies and rotates off the compressed ones. I never have to touch the machine. :) Even if I'm away, it all "just works". :) Try doing that on Windows with the standard tools available. :)
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 14:51:00
    Mro wrote to Nightfox <=-

    what i've done is learn to just change the way i do things.

    i keep my files organized and it's not a shock to have to reinstall the os. in windows i just copy my userprofile dir over and install a few programs and i'm good.

    if i were to redo bbses.info or my home web(which is linux, of
    course)that would be a few days.

    I make use of a lot of cloud services for critical data. The rest generally doesn't matter. It's not too hard to install <insert OS here> and restore the data. Linux again makes data backups easy. tar is your friend there. :)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 08:35:47
    I make use of a lot of cloud services for critical data. The rest generally doesn't matter.

    Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the encryption and getting
    my critical data..

    Nightfox

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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Mro on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 16:32:26
    well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when updating hw.

    Yeah, Guess I missed that for some reason. Totally agree.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Deepend on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 16:08:53
    well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when updating hw.

    Yeah, Guess I missed that for some reason. Totally agree.

    I don't know why Apple has gone in that direction. I heard the latest Mac
    Mini has RAM that's soldered directly in, so you can't replace/upgrade the
    RAM if you wanted to. And the latest Mac Pro looks more difficult to upgrade than the previous version too - And I thought easy upgradability was one of
    the advantages of the Mac Pro. I had heard that previous versions of the Mac Pro were easy to open and had modular drive bays, etc., making it easy to upgrade. I guess Apple doesn't really care about that anymore..

    The easiest way to upgrade a Mac is to buy a whole new Mac.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 20:06:07
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Feb 03 2016 02:48 pm

    hold on now, shit isnt THAT easy with linux.

    Depends what you're trying to do. Automation in Linux is usually _much_ easier than Windows, because there's a whole range of scripting languages and command line tools available. I have all sorts of clever automation


    i think stuff is pretty much the same in that regard. there's many scripting choices to choose from and you can use powershell to do tons of shit.

    there's windows system admins and they dont like things the hardway, so a lot of the same tools exist on all oses.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 20:07:58
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Feb 03 2016 02:51 pm

    I make use of a lot of cloud services for critical data. The rest
    generally doesn't matter. It's not too hard to install <insert OS here>


    it's funny you mention cloud services. i got yet another email from a cloud service saying they are shutting down.
    it was called copy or something like that.

    i have yunpan360 which is chinese and they have like 35tb you can get for free and they have apps for all platforms. i encrypt my shit before uploading it there.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 04, 2016 13:29:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the encryption and getting
    my critical data..

    Same could be said for any storage. Backup media can be stolen (or destroyed), data on the main system can be broken into, etc. Every option carries risk. If you don't want risk, turn the PC off and throw it into an active volcano. :) ... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, February 04, 2016 15:04:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i think stuff is pretty much the same in that regard. there's many scripting choices to choose from and you can use powershell to do tons
    of shit.

    True, Powershell is a big improvement, and a number of UNIX utilities have been ported to Windows. However, I find myself having to do more Googling, downloading and trial and error on Windows for these tasks than on Linux. :)

    there's windows system admins and they dont like things the hardway, so
    a lot of the same tools exist on all oses.

    That's true too. I like to script a lot of things. A bit of time spent scripting will save a lot of headaches. :) GUIs have a place and can be handy for some things, but command line and scripting are vital sysadmin skills. :) ... Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, February 04, 2016 15:06:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    it's funny you mention cloud services. i got yet another email from a cloud service saying they are shutting down.
    it was called copy or something like that.

    Hmm, OK.

    i have yunpan360 which is chinese and they have like 35tb you can get
    for free and they have apps for all platforms. i encrypt my shit before uploading it there.

    That's pretty impressive space! Might be a good place to store copies of non critical stuff like videos (large files that are mostly on YouTube anyway, nothing copyright or unfit for public consumption).
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 22:31:50
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Feb 02 2016 12:25 pm

    One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a

    tar cvzf /dev/some-external-drive ~ dumps everything in your home dir to an external. For a desktop that's been fine. Re-install the OS, apt-get the apps, restore and you're done.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 22:33:39
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Feb 03 2016 08:35 am

    Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the encryption and getting
    my critical data..

    I liked the idea of storing a Veracrypt container in the cloud.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, February 04, 2016 21:55:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
    i think stuff is pretty much the same in that regard. there's many scripting choices to choose from and you can use powershell to do tons
    of shit.

    Windows has improved, and I've dabbled with Powershell, though haven't used it to its full potential. Mainly because I've already got a Linux box doing the job I had in mind. ;)

    there's windows system admins and they dont like things the hardway, so
    a lot of the same tools exist on all oses.

    :)
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Thursday, February 04, 2016 21:57:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Nightfox <=-

    tar cvzf /dev/some-external-drive ~ dumps everything in your home dir
    to an external. For a desktop that's been fine. Re-install the OS,
    apt-get the apps, restore and you're done.

    Yep, pretty straightforward. :)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Poindexter Fortran on Thursday, February 04, 2016 08:53:00
    One thing I had always been nervous about with Linux is doing a system backup in case something goes horribly wrong and I need to restore my system easily. Often I like to make a partition/hard drive image as a

    tar cvzf /dev/some-external-drive ~ dumps everything in your home dir to an external. For a desktop that's been fine. Re-install the OS, apt-get the apps, restore and you're done.

    I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their own path somewhere).

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thursday, February 04, 2016 10:02:30
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Thu Feb 04 2016 08:53 am

    I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their own path somewhere).

    The point's moot if you don't need to do it often, or at all. :)

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, February 05, 2016 07:48:00
    Nightfox wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in
    re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also
    save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their
    own path somewhere).

    Mostly in /etc or /usr/local/etc, the latter being a common place for applications compiled from source. Also, as I said in a previous message, it is possible to tar your entire tree (have to exclude /proc and a coupl oher places), restore that onto a new disk, boot from a recovery CD and make it bootable by reinstalling and configuring GRUB.

    Or you can keey the original tree as a source for your configurations, downloaded source code and other things it might take longer to chase up with Google. :)
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Poindexter Fortran on Friday, February 05, 2016 10:38:00
    Poindexter Fortran wrote to Nightfox <=-


    I suppose that would work.. But of course, there's time & effort in re- installing all the apps and re-configuring them (unless you also save the configurations, either somewhere in the /etc tree or in their own path somewhere).

    The point's moot if you don't need to do it often, or at all. :)

    Hardware does fail, One of my Linux boxes is an IRLP node which has existed in some form since 2001. It's been on at least 4 servers that I can recall.

    Server 1 was an old IBM server. This had some unusual quirks, including an add in HDD controller. It used /dev/hdg as the primary HDD! :) It was a P200 with 128M RAM. Actully a reliable box. I can't recall the exact reason I stopped using it, either HDD failure or some compelling reason to upgrade the software.

    Server 2 was a P200 that I rescued from being dumped next to a charity bin. I claimed it since I knew the charities would only throw it out, saving them some time and money. This box ran for a few years, until the hard disk failed (I think it was one of the 2 casualties of the early 2009 heatwave).

    Server 3 was a Pentium 3 running at 350 MHz. It survived until last year, when the motherboard and RAM failed, and I was no longer able to keep it going.

    Server 4 is a Celeron embedded board running at 800 MHz with 256M RAM. This system also has compact flash storage, rather than a HDD.

    Each incarnation has involved a fresh OS install, each being a new Linux distribution, then restoring the backups. The process has been pretty painless each time. However, my point is hardware failure does happen, so it's not a case of if, but when. :) The easier reconfiguration is, the easier it is to recover from a failure. :)
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Thursday, February 04, 2016 15:45:04
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Deepend on Wed Feb 03 2016 04:08 pm

    well what i was saying is with a mac sometimes you are screwed when
    updating hw.

    I don't know why Apple has gone in that direction. I heard the latest Mac Mini has RAM that's soldered directly in, so you can't replace/upgrade the RAM if you wanted to.

    The easiest way to upgrade a Mac is to buy a whole new Mac.

    I think you're onto something there Nf. Why sell parts when you can sell the whole (super overpriced, shitty performance) system every 5-6 years, over and over and over again?

    Folks who PooPoo Microsoft then say Apple is awesome in the following sentence just crack me up.

    Macbooks all use these small microITX motherboards that cannot be upgraded/changed, most notebooks are sealed, you can't even open them up to replace the battery. iMacs, Pros, and Minis are the same. Honestly Apple is freaking genius. It surprises me to no end how much people will spend on Mac hardware, then they spend the same amount in the iTunes store.

    I'm all for Linux (Currently running SteamOS, it rocks), but I need me Windows box for gaming. So far there's really no better value for gaming.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, February 05, 2016 07:58:50
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2016 13:29:00

    Generally I would feel like I want to avoid using cloud services for
    critical data, because I wouldn't want to risk someone cracking the
    encryption and getting
    my critical data..

    Same could be said for any storage. Backup media can be stolen (or destroyed), data on the main system can be broken into, etc. Every option carries risk. If you don't want risk, turn the PC off and throw it into an active volcano. :) ... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by

    But more people potentially have access to it when it's out there in the cloud. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Friday, February 05, 2016 08:03:24
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 04 2016 15:45:04

    I think you're onto something there Nf. Why sell parts when you can sell the whole (super overpriced, shitty performance) system every 5-6 years, over and over and over again?

    I think Apple's computers actually perform fairly well, but still, I agree they are a bit overpriced, and particularly, the fact that they're hard to upgrade means I don't really want to buy them..

    I'm all for Linux (Currently running SteamOS, it rocks), but I need me Windows box for gaming. So far there's really no better value for gaming.

    One of my current favorite Linux distros is Mint Linux, but I've been thinking of trying SteamOS. Also, I've heard that with the latest Wine and configuration tools such as WineTricks, it's getting easier and easier to run Windows apps on Linux, including games - although I'd still be surprised if the more intensive Windows games could run on Linux that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Friday, February 05, 2016 09:30:10
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Fri Feb 05 2016 08:03 am

    One of my current favorite Linux distros is Mint Linux, but I've been thinking of trying SteamOS. Also, I've heard that with the latest Wine and configuration tools such as WineTricks, it's getting easier and easier to run Windows apps on Linux, including games - although I'd still be surprised if the more intensive Windows games could run on Linux that way.

    There are a lot of open source engines out there; I'm not a current gamer, though. I'm still playing DOOM and OpenArena.

    Wine has gotten pretty good. I can get Photoshop running in it, iTunes won't run and Outlook won't run. If I could get Outlook running I would move wholesale to Linux.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Poindexter Fortran on Friday, February 05, 2016 13:50:39
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Fri Feb 05 2016 09:30 am

    Wine has gotten pretty good. I can get Photoshop running in it, iTunes won't run and Outlook won't run. If I could get Outlook running I would move wholesale to Linux.

    Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is plenty featurefull for my needs.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, February 06, 2016 06:36:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    But more people potentially have access to it when it's out there in
    the cloud. :)

    True, though there's usually less security on an end user PC, and if that happens to be online, add luser... :)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Al on Friday, February 05, 2016 17:01:55
    Wine has gotten pretty good. I can get Photoshop running in it, iTunes won't run and Outlook won't run. If I could get Outlook running I would move wholesale to Linux.

    Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is plenty featurefull for my needs.

    Sometimes it might just come down to personal preference. But when used with a Microsoft Exchange email server, there are some features that can be useful. One fature that Microsoft Exchange (server) has is that you can "recall" a message, so as long as the receiver has not checked/read their email yet, you can basically un-send your email, or edit/replace it with another email. Outlook supports that feature when used with a MS Exchange server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft proprietary feature though, as I haven't seen that when working with any other email software.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, February 06, 2016 13:57:00
    Nightfox wrote to Al <=-

    Sometimes it might just come down to personal preference. But when
    used with a Microsoft Exchange email server, there are some features
    that can be useful. One fature that Microsoft Exchange (server) has is that you can "recall" a message, so as long as the receiver has not checked/read their email yet, you can basically un-send your email, or edit/replace it with another email. Outlook supports that feature when used with a MS Exchange server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft
    proprietary feature though, as I haven't seen that when working with
    any other email software.

    Thai is a trap, because if the other party is not running Exchange, you get an extra administrative email, rather than having the recalled message deleted. Those in the know will see it and know an Exchange user tried to recall the message. Useful in a corporate setting, not so useful on the wider Internet. ... The four food groups: coffee, ice cream, beer and pizza.
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Nightfox on Friday, February 05, 2016 23:50:46
    server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft proprietary feature though, as I
    haven't seen that when working with any other email software.

    Exchange has decent calendar syncing for meeting planning too. And if configured correctly, livemeeting and lync are really nice... though it works like crap on mac (doesn't), and my current workplace doesn't have it setup correctly. I will say one thing about GoDaddy, their outlook/lync
    integration worked better than anyplace I've worked in the past.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to tracker1 on Friday, February 05, 2016 23:37:53
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Feb 05 2016 23:50:46

    Exchange has decent calendar syncing for meeting planning too. And if configured correctly, livemeeting and lync are really nice... though it works like crap on mac (doesn't), and my current workplace doesn't have it setup correctly. I will say one thing about GoDaddy, their outlook/lync integration worked better than anyplace I've worked in the past.

    Outlook & Lync seem to work fairly well where I work. I noticed that Microsoft started switching Lync over to "Skype for Business" a while ago though, although it still has the Lync name on it. Also, since upgrading to Outlook 2013 (or maybe when I got my latest laptop) at work, one small annoying thing that bugs me is that when I power up my work laptop from hibernate mode and connect to the network, my Outlook inbox doesn't show anything (even if it shows there are new messages) until I click on another folder and then back on my Inbox again.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Nightfox on Friday, February 05, 2016 23:59:15
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Nightfox to Al on Fri Feb 05 2016 05:01 pm

    Sometimes it might just come down to personal preference.

    Yep, and that is reason enough on it's own. If it works for you there is no reason to change.

    But when used
    with a Microsoft Exchange email server, there are some features that can be useful. One fature that Microsoft Exchange (server) has is that you can "recall" a message, so as long as the receiver has not checked/read their email yet, you can basically un-send your email, or edit/replace it with another email. Outlook supports that feature when used with a MS Exchange server. I'm sure that's a Microsoft proprietary feature though, as I haven't seen that when working with any other email software.

    That is interesting. My only experience with outlook was outlook express years ago when I was using windows. It worked well for me and I never had any reason to use anything else. Once I switched to linux I tried many email apps and eventually settled on claws-mail and have been using it for a long time now.

    The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Al on Saturday, February 06, 2016 09:14:54
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Al to Nightfox on Fri Feb 05 2016 23:59:15

    That is interesting. My only experience with outlook was outlook express years ago when I was using windows. It worked well for me and I never had any reason to use anything else. Once I switched to linux I tried many email apps and eventually settled on claws-mail and have been using it for a long time now.

    Interesting, I haven't tried Claws-mail. A long time ago I used to use Eudora (for Windows), but I got tired of its shareware nag screens, so I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird. One thing that made the switch easy was that Thunderbird (at the time) was able to import my Eudora email folders, so I was able to easily keep all of my saved email in Thunderbird. One advantage of Thunderbird is that it's developed for Windows, Linux, and OS X, so I can use the same program on all 3 platforms if I wanted to. However, these days I tend to use email through my web browser (I use my Gmail and Hotmail accounts most often).

    The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.

    That's a feature that has to be supported by both the client software and email server, and the recipient's email server & client software as well. I haven't seen it implemented anywhere other than Microsoft Exchange and Outlook.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, February 07, 2016 06:42:00
    Nightfox wrote to Al <=-

    Interesting, I haven't tried Claws-mail. A long time ago I used to use Eudora (for Windows), but I got tired of its shareware nag screens, so
    I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird. One thing that made the switch easy was that Thunderbird (at the time) was able to import my Eudora email folders, so I was able to easily keep all of my saved email in Thunderbird. One advantage of Thunderbird is that it's developed for Windows, Linux, and OS X, so I can use the same program on all 3
    platforms if I wanted to. However, these days I tend to use email
    through my web browser (I use my Gmail and Hotmail accounts most
    often).

    I used to use Eudora a lot too, and also converted to Thunderbird. I still use Thunderbird. Webmail (even Gmail's quite good interface) doesn't cut it for me. However, I do get Gmail to do the dirty work of filtering my mail into IMAP folders, so it's sorted, regardless of where I read my mail from. :) Oh, and Outlook is a totally different beast to Outlook Express, for the record. Outlook does have some nice features, especially for the corporate world, when used with Exchange.

    The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.

    That's a feature that has to be supported by both the client software
    and email server, and the recipient's email server & client software as well. I haven't seen it implemented anywhere other than Microsoft Exchange and Outlook.

    And I've seen people get burned trying to recall email from their Outlook/Exchange setup! :)
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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to VK3JED on Sunday, February 07, 2016 12:36:00
    Outlook does have some nice features, especially for the corporate world, wh used with Exchange.

    I could not agree more. I run an Exchange 2016 server here at home and
    I love it. It does what I need it do do and then some.

    The ability to recall a sent email would have come in handy in a few cases.. ;) I'm not sure (I doubt it) if claws can do that.

    That's a feature that has to be supported by both the client software and email server, and the recipient's email server & client software as well. I haven't seen it implemented anywhere other than Microsoft Exchange and Outlook.

    And I've seen people get burned trying to recall email from their Outlook/Exchange setup! :)

    Only because they didn't know what they were doing :) LOL!
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Nightfox on Sunday, February 07, 2016 00:05:58
    Outlook & Lync seem to work fairly well where I work. I noticed that Microsoft started switching Lync over to "Skype for Business" a while ago though, although it still has the Lync name on it. Also, since upgrading
    to
    Outlook 2013 (or maybe when I got my latest laptop) at work, one small annoying thing that bugs me is that when I power up my work laptop from hibernate mode and connect to the network, my Outlook inbox doesn't show anything (even if it shows there are new messages) until I click on
    another
    folder and then back on my Inbox again.

    Yeah, they f'd up the syncing for better scaling, and it kind of sucks... Another issue I had, don't know if they fixed, is when I had lync setup on my phone and work computer, it didn't synchronize messages to both.. so if my phone picked up a message while at work, I didn't see it until lunch or end
    of day.
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Al on Sunday, February 07, 2016 07:05:36
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Al to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Feb 05 2016 01:50 pm

    Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is plenty featurefull for my needs.

    For IMAP and POP mail, I'm happy with Thunderbird.

    I use Outlook with an Exchange server at work and need to connect to it; it's easier if I can do so from my home laptop, too.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to tracker1 on Sunday, February 07, 2016 07:09:58
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Feb 05 2016 11:50 pm

    Exchange has decent calendar syncing for meeting planning too. And if configured correctly, livemeeting and lync are really nice... though it works like crap on mac (doesn't), and my current workplace doesn't have it setup correctly. I will say one thing about GoDaddy, their outlook/lync integration worked better than anyplace I've worked in the past.

    At work, I swear by Outlook, OneNote and Lync on Windows. I have a telephone number that rings into Lync, do most of my conference calling using Lync, and have the OneNote add-in to Outlook so all of my meeting notes go into OneNote.

    We're becoming more and more of a Mac company and are going to have to figure out how to make it work equally on Mac.

    I'd like to see Skype for Business (Lync's new name) work with consumer Skype -- apparently there's a way to get the two to federate.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to tracker1 on Sunday, February 07, 2016 07:12:18
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: tracker1 to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2016 12:05 am

    Yeah, they f'd up the syncing for better scaling, and it kind of sucks... Another issue I had, don't know if they fixed, is when I had lync setup on my phone and work computer, it didn't synchronize messages to both.. so if my phone picked up a message while at work, I didn't see it until lunch or end of day.

    I don't know if there's a solution for that -- it's a problem at our site, and has some of our team sticking with consumer Skype.

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Poindexter Fortran on Sunday, February 07, 2016 08:57:59
    Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Al on Sun Feb 07 2016 07:05 am

    Is there a reason you need outlook? I use claws-mail on linux and it
    works for me. I don't know what features outlook has but claws is
    plenty featurefull for my needs.

    For IMAP and POP mail, I'm happy with Thunderbird.

    I use Outlook with an Exchange server at work and need to connect to it; it's easier if I can do so from my home laptop, too.

    Thankfully were I work they don't care what software I use, just as long as I don't use it between 11pm and 7am!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tuesday, February 09, 2016 22:30:29
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Feb 07 2016 06:42 am

    I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird. One thing that made the switch
    easy was that Thunderbird (at the time) was able to import my Eudora email folders, so I was able to easily keep all of my saved email in Thunderbird. One advantage of Thunderbird is that it's developed for Windows, Linux, and OS X, so I can use the same program on all 3 platforms if I wanted to. However, these days I tend to use email through my web browser (I use my Gmail and Hotmail accounts most often).



    i hate where thunderbird went development wise so i use poppeeper on windows and that handles my 20+ email accts nicely
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 20:32:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i hate where thunderbird went development wise so i use poppeeper on windows and that handles my 20+ email accts nicely

    Hmm, never heard of that email client. Another reason I use Thunderbird is it's available for Windows, Mac and Linux. This has already proven useful, when my Mac died and I had to quickly migrate to Windows. :)
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 16:57:41
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Wed Feb 10 2016 08:32 pm

    i hate where thunderbird went development wise so i use poppeeper on windows and that handles my 20+ email accts nicely

    Hmm, never heard of that email client. Another reason I use Thunderbird is


    poppeeper is a light weight no BS client that works with all webmail services and imap and pop3. it has a few utilities for it.

    i like it because it's small and doesnt overshadow the rest of the os.

    usually i just foward all email to my phone so i can deal with shit when i'm at work or out.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Mro on Thursday, February 11, 2016 15:11:00
    Mro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    poppeeper is a light weight no BS client that works with all webmail services and imap and pop3. it has a few utilities for it.

    Oh, OK. I might look it up out of interest, sounds potentially useful. :)

    i like it because it's small and doesnt overshadow the rest of the os.

    usually i just foward all email to my phone so i can deal with shit
    when i'm at work or out.

    That would be a total pain for me. I do look at the main inbox if I'm looking for something specific, but mailing lists and other known stuff are sorded into folders server side. :)
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Thursday, February 11, 2016 19:07:38
    Re: Re: Why M$ Why!
    By: Vk3jed to Mro on Thu Feb 11 2016 03:11 pm

    usually i just foward all email to my phone so i can deal with shit when i'm at work or out.

    That would be a total pain for me. I do look at the main inbox if I'm looking for something specific, but mailing lists and other known stuff are sorded into folders server side. :)


    i dont do mailing lists, so i usually just get email from people i know.
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Poindexter Fortran on Friday, February 12, 2016 19:37:41
    Yeah, they f'd up the syncing for better scaling, and it kind of
    sucks... Another issue I had, don't know if they fixed, is when I had
    lync setup on my phone and work computer, it didn't synchronize
    messages to both.. so if my phone picked up a message while at work, I
    didn't see it until lunch or end of day.

    I don't know if there's a solution for that -- it's a problem at our site, and has some of our team sticking with consumer Skype.

    At least it's not an apple program... would get told you're holding it wrong and to buy the new one when it comes out. That said, MS seems to be losing ground on some of their business offerings.
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