• Favourite linux

    From Maxell@VERT/CPUGOD to All on Monday, December 14, 2015 01:07:31
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm
    using oh-my-zsh, though.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Maxell on Monday, December 14, 2015 08:31:32
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm using oh-my-zsh, though.

    Currently, I like Mint Linux (particularly since it includes the Cinnamon desktop UI by default). Also, OpenSUSE (formerly just SUSE) has consistently been a favorite of mine for its included packages and ease of configuration.

    I think CentOS is also a good distribution, particularly for a server. I've used Gentoo a bit too, and I think that one is pretty good for its tweakability.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Maxell on Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15:00
    On 12/14/15, Maxell said the following...

    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm using oh-my-zsh, though.

    Headless Debian wheezy for the BBS, headless Raspberry Pi B+ running raspian (just because), Ubuntu 14.04 on ODROID XU3-Lite as my desktop running LXDE.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Maxell on Monday, December 14, 2015 13:53:25
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Maxell to All on Mon Dec 14 2015 01:07 am

    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm using oh-my-zsh, though.
    I prefer Ubuntu 14.04 but I run it as a server.

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  • From Hylian@VERT to Maxell on Monday, December 14, 2015 16:51:44
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm using oh-my-zsh, though.

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    I like the 'buntus because the main systems just work, but I don't use vanilla ubuntu.

    I am currently digging elementary os, freya 64 bit. xubuntu and lubuntu are cool, and for a very light weight feel, I will use watt os.

    If you like super light, but a bit of a challenge, then check out slitaz, very cool.

    -Denny

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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Maxell on Monday, December 14, 2015 19:11:00
    -=[ On 12-14-15 01:07, Maxell wrote to All below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Favourite linux ]=-

    Hi Maxell!

    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?
    I use iMac but in a virtual box, my flavour of Linux is Ubuntu.

    Cheers,

    Bryan
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Monday, December 14, 2015 19:45:51
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Nightfox to Maxell on Mon Dec 14 2015 08:31 am

    Currently, I like Mint Linux (particularly since it includes the Cinnamon desktop UI by default). Also, OpenSUSE (formerly just SUSE) has consistently been a favorite of mine for its included packages and ease of configuration.

    I'm Lubuntu all the way -- started using it when I was runing on a single-core laptop, stuck with it, even though running a lightweight window manager and distro on a system with 2 cores, an SSD and 8 GB of RAM seems odd.

    I like simple window managers with just a bit of eye candy, and LXDE does that. I set the status bar to the bottom and transparent, pick a minimal looking window theme and I'm done.

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  • From Xucaen@VERT/TIMEPORT to Maxell on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 00:07:05
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux >distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm >using oh-my-zsh, though.

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    I used Debian for a long time starting with potato. A few years ago I tried Ubuntu, which is basically a pre configured Debian and I liked it. Then I found Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with KDE pre configured. That's the flavor I use these days.

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  • From vector@VERT to Maxell on Monday, December 14, 2015 19:55:34
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux MA>distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm MA>using oh-my-zsh, though.

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    I typically run CentOS, headless more often than not, for server type
    duties. Seems very stable, updated often, and has a good bit of
    knowledge floating around online for when I'm stuck. I've been through a
    lot of distros over the years, but CentOS has stuck with me the longest.

    I managed a few ham radio repeaters using a mode called D*STAR that has
    a computer in the stack of equipment and they're all required to run
    CentOS 5.x. I'm most familiar with 6.x.

    The new 7.x has lots of differences I haven't been able to tackle yet,
    but I'm sure they'll be "normal" to me soon enough.

    -Vector
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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Maxell on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 04:19:35
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm using oh-my-zsh, though.

    My HTPC is Ubuntu 15.04, I actually like Unity... though most of the time I'm in Kodi/XBMC. I use an Ubuntu Server 15.04 VM on my windows desktop, and my laptop is a rMBP (OSX). I use docker, mostly instances based on debian- jessie, I've tried Alpine, but too many compatibility issues.

    Pretty much OS agnostic at this point... I'm sure they may well exist, but I don't "believe" in any of them.
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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to XUCAEN on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 11:45:00
    XUCAEN wrote to MAXELL <=-

    I used Debian for a long time starting with potato. A few years ago I tried Ubuntu, which is basically a pre configured Debian and I liked
    it. Then I found Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with KDE pre configured.
    That's the flavor I use these days.

    Yeah, for the desktop PC I use Debian 8. If I need to use Windows, I have VMWare Workstation Pro 12 installed on that machine since for some reason I am not able to install Windows properly on that machine any more with all the
    3TB drives (I have 3) installed.

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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to VECTOR on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 11:45:00
    VECTOR wrote to MAXELL <=-

    The new 7.x has lots of differences I haven't been able to tackle yet,
    but I'm sure they'll be "normal" to me soon enough.

    One major difference is that it is 64 bit only.

    ... Just the other day I... no, wait... that wasn't me.
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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Maxell on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:10:25
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Maxell to All on Mon Dec 14 2015 01:07 am

    My Linux experience was limited to dabbling with Red Hat back in the 90s. I was fluent enough to get Samba running on it and using it for file storage.

    I have a 10 year old desktop at home that the kids use. They were forever complaining that the computer was slow (running Win XP).

    A couple of weeks ago I bought a Western Digital MyCloud Mirror, moved all the files off of the desktop onto the NAS, formatted the desktop and installed the latest release of Ubuntu.

    The desktop runs a lot faster now than when I had XP on it. For the record it's a 2-GHz CPU with 2-GB DRAM.

    Thankfully there's a lot of documentation online as to how perform differnt tasks in Ubuntu. For example, I wanted to know if I could run iTunes on Ubuntu and sure enough there's a doc out there on how to get it to work. You can basically copy/paste from www into terminal to get stuff up and running.

    iTunes kinda works. You have to run it through "PlayOnLinux" but for some reason the session doesn't incorporate the DVD drive so I can't burn music to CD. If you guys know a workaround, please post.

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Maxell on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 20:44:51
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Maxell to All on Mon Dec 14 2015 01:07 am

    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?


    I have ran Gentoo Linux for years on a old LH3 Netserver. They
    have came a long way with the distro. Very Stable Install. But
    be prepared to spend days getting things running. Gentoo the stick
    shift of Linux. Compile all from source.. Optimized for the computer
    your runnning things on. One draw back. You have to stay updated.
    Run sync. Compile new updates. eix-sync.. then it calls diff and shows
    you what needs updating. Too far behind and it breaks things. Mostly
    when you want something else. and goto compile it.,, system broken.

    The other one Ubuntu.. Very fast gets BIN files I thing.. apt-get
    very very fast compared to gentoo.. my Ubuntu probably five years
    behind but runs really great. I like knoppix for live CD.

    Would like to hear what people use linux for.
    I like the Cups server and Samba.. Linux printer server kicks but over
    windoze. I use it to serve time on. SBBS.

    My other comment is anybody that has given up on it should go back
    and try again,, The release keeps getting better. I compiled my
    own working kernel.. They really have made allot of advancements
    with it..
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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 20:48:18
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Nightfox to Maxell on Mon Dec 14 2015 08:31 am

    I think CentOS is also a good distribution, particularly for a server. I've used Gentoo a bit too, and I think that one is pretty good for its tweakability.

    Love your comment. If your a Ham Radio Operator.. CentOs is what they support to run nodes on.. like IRLP.. If you want help from them. So I hear..

    Nightfox-- if you haven't used Gentoo in a while.. They have really made it run really great..

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Argelian on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 20:54:03
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Argelian to Maxell on Mon Dec 14 2015 07:11 pm

    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Heard of Funtoo anyone? I hear that came for guys that didn't get along on the gentoo
    project.. Tried it.. still like Gentoo.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Timesoarer on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 00:50:26
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Timesoarer to Argelian on Tue Dec 15 2015 08:54 pm

    Heard of Funtoo anyone? I hear that came for guys that didn't get along on the gentoo
    project.. Tried it.. still like Gentoo.


    i like jewbuntu
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to ROBERT WOLFE on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 06:17:16
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: ROBERT WOLFE to XUCAEN on Tue Dec 15 2015 11:45 am

    Yeah, for the desktop PC I use Debian 8. If I need to use Windows, I have VMWare Workstation Pro 12 installed on that machine since for some reason I am not able to install Windows properly on that machine any more with all the 3TB drives (I have 3) installed.

    There's not a lot I need Windows for with my linux laptop. I can get most everything running in WINE alongside native linux apps, and have a VirtualBox VM running TinyXP when I absolutely positively need something to run in Windows.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vectorgamer on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 06:19:52
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vectorgamer to Maxell on Tue Dec 15 2015 12:10 pm

    A couple of weeks ago I bought a Western Digital MyCloud Mirror, moved all the files off of the desktop onto the NAS, formatted the desktop and installed the latest release of Ubuntu.

    The desktop runs a lot faster now than when I had XP on it. For the record it's a 2-GHz CPU with 2-GB DRAM.

    If you want it to run faster, try loading the lubuntu-desktop package - that will load up LXDE, which is much smaller/faster than the Unity desktop that Vanilla Ubuntu uses.

    Thankfully there's a lot of documentation online as to how perform differnt tasks in Ubuntu. For example, I wanted to know if I could run iTunes on Ubuntu and sure enough there's a doc out there on how to get it to work. You can basically copy/paste from www into terminal to get stuff up and running.

    I could never get iTunes running on it, will have to look again. PlayonLinux/WINE is a great part of Linux, with it I've been able to run Photoshop, which was my one show-stopper for a Linux desktop.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Timesoarer on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 09:12:56
    Nightfox-- if you haven't used Gentoo in a while.. They have really made it run really great..

    I thought it ran fairly well back when I tried it. The last time I seriously used Gentoo though was around 2004. I liked the software being optimized for the computer I'm running it on, but I didn't like was having to wait for software to compile whenever I installed something. Sometimes that would take just minutes (for small software), but for other software, that could take hours.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 16, 2015 21:55:08
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Nightfox to Timesoarer on Wed Dec 16 2015 09:12 am

    to wait for software to compile whenever I installed something. Sometimes that would take just minutes (for small software), but for other software, that could take hours.


    you must have had a low end computer for it to take that long.
    also 2004 was over 10 years ago and they have made a lot of changes with all *nix operating systems.
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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Timesoarer on Thursday, December 17, 2015 19:04:00
    -=[ On 12-15-15 20:54, Timesoarer wrote to Argelian below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Re: Favourite linux ]=-

    Hi Timesoarer!

    Heard of Funtoo anyone? I hear that came for guys that didn't get
    along on the gentoo
    project.. Tried it.. still like Gentoo.
    I haven't heard of that distro before. I've always was partial to Ubuntu :)

    Cheers,

    Bryan
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  • From Deepend@VERT/RDBBS to Maxell on Saturday, December 19, 2015 01:55:31
    For server usages I tend to prefer CentOS.. On the desktop I tend to run a Ubuntu or Kubuntu, Even though I really do like many different distributions of Linux.

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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Maxell on Sunday, December 20, 2015 14:36:26
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Maxell to All on Mon Dec 14 2015 01:07 am

    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?


    What I am running right now is Lubuntu 14.04 on this laptop. I was previously using Ubuntu 12.04 with Lubuntu desktop and recently reloaded. My laptop is quite old (an IBM Thinkpad from around 2005), but still has more then enough power to function as a desktop. I even have compiz installed for the transparency effects. On my other laptop which is a little less powerfull I am running Debian 8.2 with LXDE. I did not install compiz on this one, though it should be able to handle it. Debian seems to be even more light weight with LXDE, but I chose Lubuntu on this laptop because it comes with the needed firmware. To answer the question, my favotites would be Debian and Ubuntu, which is based on Debian.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mr. Cool on Sunday, December 20, 2015 21:05:20
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Mr. Cool to Maxell on Sun Dec 20 2015 02:36 pm

    What I am running right now is Lubuntu 14.04 on this laptop. I was previously using Ubuntu 12.04 with Lubuntu desktop and recently reloaded. My laptop is quite old (an IBM Thinkpad from around 2005), but still has more then enough power to function as a desktop.

    I have an old T42 that I love, Lubuntu made a huge difference in making it run acceptably, 10 years later. I picked up a PATA SSD (didn't know they made them!) and it makes a huge difference in overall feel, despite being hamstrung by an ATA interface.

    Best. Keyboard. Ever.

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Xucaen on Monday, December 21, 2015 18:31:49
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Xucaen to Maxell on Tue Dec 15 2015 12:07 am

    I used Debian for a long time starting with potato. A few years ago I tried Ubuntu, which is basically a pre configured Debian and I liked it. Then I found Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with KDE pre configured. That's the flavor I use these days.

    I have had a working Ubuntu setup KUbuntu for 5 years plus.. I hear your version
    number is the year you installed it.. or pretty close... Have never had a probelm with
    Ubuntu like Gentoo.. And I am way way behind on updates.. I don't want to break it things
    run great on it still... I find with Gentoo you have to check Portage Tree often and stay
    on top of updates or it makes it very difficult to compile things with a system that is
    behind.. Tends to create conflicts and package blocks.. Turns into a big pain in the
    butt. My qestion is has any one else had this problem with Gentoo by falling way behind
    with portage sync. If you run Gentoo I suggest the eix tool.. eix-sync that brings up
    stuff that needs an update.. Just started using that this yea makes a big difference
    in keeping up with things.

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Nightfox on Monday, December 21, 2015 18:49:16
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Nightfox to Timesoarer on Wed Dec 16 2015 09:12 am

    I thought it ran fairly well back when I tried it. The last time I seriously used Gentoo though was around 2004. I liked the software being optimized for the computer I'm running it on, but I didn't like was having to wait for software to compile whenever I installed something. Sometimes that would take just minutes (for small software), but for other software, that could take hours.
    Or Days!! Yeah tell me about it.. Ubuntu you can install things in a few minutes.
    It Gentoo trims bloat things you don't want. Gentoo is for people that like me that like
    to give the computer something todo.. It's like here hash on this for a bit...I'll check
    back in the morning to see if it A.) crashed or B.)Completed most stuff in the portage
    tree will compile you might have a problem in the make.conf or need an update to the
    compiler.. A Tip I learned is to make Very Large swap file.. like 1 gig plus if you have
    an older computer.. I wouldn't know what it would be like to compile on a faster
    computer.. They say CPU Load Average is hard on it.. I have never had issues with that.
    Wonder what other poeples comments may be on Load Average? Good or Bad..

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  • From Timesoarer@VERT/DRAC to Argelian on Monday, December 21, 2015 18:56:00
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Argelian to Timesoarer on Thu Dec 17 2015 07:04 pm

    I haven't heard of that distro before. I've always was partial to Ubuntu :)

    Gentoo is not for everyone.. But has got allot better then ever.
    Gentoo is the stickshift of Linux.. Biggest issues I had with it was was Video or
    getting the resolution I wanted... I have not seen any differences in apt-get or
    emerge far as system optimization.. I think they both run the same what I mean is if you
    apt-get or emerge it.. they both seem to run the same..... I heard somebody mention RedHat.. that's how I got started in Linux.. Those Cd's Coffee Coasters.
    Compiling stuff is what got my hooked in the first place.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Timesoarer on Tuesday, December 22, 2015 06:47:51
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Timesoarer to Xucaen on Mon Dec 21 2015 06:31 pm

    I have had a working Ubuntu setup KUbuntu for 5 years plus.. I hear your version number is the year you installed it.. or pretty close... Have never had a probelm with Ubuntu like Gentoo.. And I am way way behind on updates.. I don't want to break it things run great on it still...

    Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Lubuntu all have version numbers that are YY.MM. They're all supported for at least 9 months with patches. The ones with LTS in the names are supported for 5 years.

    I'm running 14.04 LTS on all of my boxes, it seems like a sweet spot between stability and newness.


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Timesoarer on Tuesday, December 22, 2015 06:50:57
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Timesoarer to Argelian on Mon Dec 21 2015 06:56 pm

    got started in Linux.. Those Cd's Coffee Coasters. Compiling stuff is what got my hooked in the first place.

    My first start with Linux was compiling in Inter etherexpress support into an 0.x kernel on a 386 with 4 MB of RAM. Took a day and a half but we were the first people with support for the card, thanks to some friends at Intel.

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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 19:42:59
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Mr. Cool on Sun Dec 20 2015 09:05 pm

    I have an old T42 that I love, Lubuntu made a huge difference in making it r acceptably, 10 years later. I picked up a PATA SSD (didn't know they made them!) and it makes a huge difference in overall feel, despite being hamstru by an ATA interface.

    My IBM thinkpad which I'm using now (2005 X41 mentioned in previous post) actually has a 1.5 Ghz CPU, which I noticed is 100 Mhz more then a Mac Mini I saw at computer store. It did have a RAM advantage of course. My laptop is now maxed out at 1.5 Gb. It may be possible to put a larger amount in it, but I'm not sure if the machine would recognize it since this was the most it was designed for. Never-the-less, it appears that larger RAM sticks were available in later year, which could fit the X41 from what I have read.

    Anyway it would not make a good gaming machine, but for my purposes, it works great. Youtube and web browsing work fine last I checked and it makes a great desktop running under Ubuntu 12.04 or Lubuntu 14.04.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 19:52:52
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Timesoarer on Tue Dec 22 2015 06:47 am

    Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Lubuntu all have version numbers that are YY.MM. They're all supported for at least 9 months with patches. The ones with LTS in the names are supported for 5 years.

    Ubuntu LTS versions are supported for 5 years, but it seems most derivitives such as Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Lubuntu are only supported for 3 years on their LTS version. Ubuntu MATE from what I understand has the 5 year support from what I understand.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mr. Cool on Thursday, December 24, 2015 06:59:23
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Mr. Cool to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Dec 23 2015 07:42 pm

    My IBM thinkpad which I'm using now (2005 X41 mentioned in previous post)

    Great little system. I used an X22 and later an X41 for years at work, loved the small size. After I switched to the T series, the X keyboard was a little too cramped for me, though.

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  • From Jay C. Theriot@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, January 04, 2016 01:28:00
    My favourite distro is Ubuntu. I usually run xfce as the desktop. I've got 3 servers running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Server, headless throwing out a bunch of VMs. The VMs are either Win 7 Pro or Ubuntu.

    I had a HP TC1100 I turned into a print server using Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS (force PAE) that I was able to trim the memory foot print to around 75 MB.

    I ran Gentoo for a while, but maintenance was incredible. With Ubuntu, "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y --force-yes" and I'm done.

    I run Sychronet on a Win 7 Pro VM, mainly because getting doors to work on *nix is time consuming and tricky. Efficiency and expediency is the words. I love *nix, but I give the software the kernel it needs.

    To go really old-school, my favourite OS is AmigaOS 3.x. I run Amiga Forever on a Win 10 laptop and it's where I go if I need some time to think.

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Jay C. Theriot on Monday, January 04, 2016 09:44:00
    On 01/04/16, Jay C. Theriot said the following...

    My favourite distro is Ubuntu. I usually run xfce as the desktop. I've got 3 servers running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Server, headless throwing out a bunch of VMs. The VMs are either Win 7 Pro or Ubuntu.

    Not to change the subject, nor to hijack the thread, but can I ask about your VM Host box?

    What are the specs for your host box? What is the bare minimum configuration for a VM host machine? I want to run a number of VMs but my most robust
    piece of hardware is an Acer Aspire with an ATOM 1.2GHz CPU and 4GB of ram. I've got CentOS 7 on it, but when I run it with a desktop, it slows down to a crawl.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jay C. Theriot on Monday, January 04, 2016 08:29:16
    To go really old-school, my favourite OS is AmigaOS 3.x. I run Amiga Forever on a Win 10 laptop and it's where I go if I need some time to think.

    I never used Amiga very much, but I've always heard they were great for multimedia applications. What kind of projects do you work on with Amiga software? And is there any Amiga software that doesn't have a real equivalent in Windows, Mac, or Linux?

    I've always been interested in alternative operating systems & environments. Sometimes I think it's a shame that some of them (such as Amiga OS, OS/2, BeOS, etc.) didn't survive commercially.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Gryphon on Monday, January 04, 2016 10:42:19
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Gryphon to Jay C. Theriot on Mon Jan 04 2016 09:44 am

    What are the specs for your host box? What is the bare minimum configuration for a VM host machine? I want to run a number of VMs but my most robust piece of hardware is an Acer Aspire with an ATOM 1.2GHz CPU and 4GB of ram. I've got CentOS 7 on it, but when I run it with a desktop, it slows down to a crawl.

    I ran a Windows XP box/VM host - single core 2.4 GHZ Pentium, 3 GB of RAM - and could run a single 384 MB VM in there. It wasn't particularly fast but it ran the BBS and a shoutcast stream.

    Now I've got a Core 2 Duo, 3 GHZ, with 8GB of RAM and can run 2 1 GB VMs in it with little issue.

    Your mileage may vary and more hardware is better. Not sure how much L1/L2 cache is on the Atom processors.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Monday, January 04, 2016 11:24:25
    Re: Amiga (was: Favourite linux)
    By: Nightfox to Jay C. Theriot on Mon Jan 04 2016 08:29 am

    I've always been interested in alternative operating systems & environments. Sometimes I think it's a shame that some of them (such as Amiga OS, OS/2, BeOS, etc.) didn't survive commercially.

    Monocultures don't promote competition and are more likely to suffer from a security standpoint. I remember in 1995 when we had OS/2, BeOS, Irix, MacOS, Windows 9X and Windows NT running at work; things were a lot more interesting.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, January 04, 2016 12:28:34
    I've always been interested in alternative operating systems & environments. Sometimes I think it's a shame that some of them (such as Amiga OS, OS/2, BeOS, etc.) didn't survive commercially.

    Monocultures don't promote competition and are more likely to suffer from a security standpoint. I remember in 1995 when we had OS/2, BeOS, Irix, MacOS, Windows 9X and Windows NT running at work; things were a lot more interesting.

    It's definitely different from a work standpoint. As an IT person myself, I know it can be difficult for a company to support a bunch of different OS/hardware platforms (unless the company is willing to have a large number of employees developing for & supporting the different platforms). But I think it's always interesting to see different ideas and perspectives on how an OS can look and what it can do.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gryphon on Monday, January 04, 2016 15:40:29
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Gryphon to Jay C. Theriot on Mon Jan 04 2016 09:44 am

    What are the specs for your host box? What is the bare minimum configuration for a VM host machine? I want to run a number of VMs but my most robust piece of hardware is an Acer Aspire with an ATOM 1.2GHz CPU and 4GB of ram. I've got CentOS 7 on it, but when I run it with a desktop, it slows down to a crawl.


    you can buy some optiplex 745's or better for 40-50 bucks with free shipping on ebay and then throw in more memory. most of the ones i buy come with 4 gigs of ram already
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, January 04, 2016 15:47:39
    Re: Amiga (was: Favourite linux)
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Mon Jan 04 2016 11:24 am

    security standpoint. I remember in 1995 when we had OS/2, BeOS, Irix,
    MacOS, Windows 9X and Windows NT running at work; things were a lot more interesting.


    yeah running several different operating systems in the workplace probably isnt a good thing. especially in that time period and THOSE operating systems.
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  • From Rastus@VERT/EWBBS to Jay C. Theriot on Monday, January 04, 2016 12:55:25
    I run Ubuntu Server 14.04 on my bbs box. I used to run Slackware, but
    I've gotten lazy in my old age and Ubuntu just works! I seldom fire up
    a GUI on it, but if I do it's xfce..

    I run many doors under dosemu and very few have been difficult. Dosemu
    needs a bit of tweaking from the defaults, but not many. Being able to
    place a dosemu.conf in the game directories makes the occasional problem
    door easier to handle too.

    My BBS Box is an older dell workstation with a Celeron 2.2 GB single
    core processor and 6 GB of RAM. I sometimes run a VM on it, but being a single-core I can't to too much with VM's but I seldom need too; using
    either Wine or Mono many of the Win32 apps I've wanted to run, such as
    the TW2002 Server run very well. I run my box headless of course.. no
    need for a monitor.. or a mouse..or a keyboard for that matter. My box
    only has two cables on it.. the power cable and a network cable.

    As BBS demands (and my interest) wane I am considering moving my BBS to
    The Cloud (cheezy buzzword). I've been playing with Digital Ocean
    Droplets lately and most of the games I've tried run OK on dosemu.. I
    wouldn't have thought it would work very well.. a VM under a VM?? If I
    went live with the Droplet option I'd probably distribute the dosemu
    game over a couple of $5 a month droplets running either freebsd or ubuntu...but probably ubuntu.

    Oh.. I have also experimented with VM's on multi-core processor boxes..
    KVM has worked much better for linux /w dosemu than VirtualBox.. I
    loathe Windows and only run it on occasion when my Grandson wants to
    play Roller Coaster Tycoon (can't get it's music right under wine), but
    WinXP runs better under VB than it does under KVM.

    Since this has turned into a mini-rant.. I have found that people get
    into trouble when they try to run a Server on the 'Family PC.' Yes, it
    can be done, and it often is, but the BBS isn't going to be very
    reliable unless the operator is very savvy and the GUI usage is light.

    just my two cents...

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    On 01/04/2016 02:28 AM, Jay C. Theriot wrote:
    My favourite distro is Ubuntu. I usually run xfce as the desktop. I've got 3
    servers running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Server, headless throwing out a bunch of VMs.
    The VMs are either Win 7 Pro or Ubuntu.

    I had a HP TC1100 I turned into a print server using Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS (force PAE) that I was able to trim the memory foot print to around 75 MB.

    I ran Gentoo for a while, but maintenance was incredible. With Ubuntu, "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y --force-yes" and I'm done.

    I run Sychronet on a Win 7 Pro VM, mainly because getting doors to work on *nix
    is time consuming and tricky. Efficiency and expediency is the words. I love
    *nix, but I give the software the kernel it needs.

    To go really old-school, my favourite OS is AmigaOS 3.x. I run Amiga Forever on a Win 10 laptop and it's where I go if I need some time to think.

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, January 04, 2016 17:56:00
    On 01/04/16, Poindexter Fortran said the following...

    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Gryphon to Jay C. Theriot on Mon Jan 04 2016 09:44 am

    What are the specs for your host box? What is the bare minimum configuration for a VM host machine? I want to run a number of VMs bu most robust piece of hardware is an Acer Aspire with an ATOM 1.2GHz C and 4GB of ram. I've got CentOS 7 on it, but when I run it with a des it slows down to a crawl.

    I ran a Windows XP box/VM host - single core 2.4 GHZ Pentium, 3 GB of
    RAM - and could run a single 384 MB VM in there. It wasn't particularly fast but it ran the BBS and a shoutcast stream.

    Now I've got a Core 2 Duo, 3 GHZ, with 8GB of RAM and can run 2 1 GB VMs in it with little issue.

    Your mileage may vary and more hardware is better. Not sure how much
    L1/L2 cache is on the Atom processors.

    Thanks. That helps.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Monday, January 04, 2016 16:43:38
    Re: Amiga (was: Favourite linux)
    By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Jan 04 2016 12:28 pm

    It's definitely different from a work standpoint. As an IT person myself, I know it can be difficult for a company to support a bunch of different OS/hardware platforms (unless the company is willing to have a large number of employees developing for & supporting the different platforms).

    In all fairness, this was back in the '90s, and we didn't do a lot of management. Things were a little easier (and crazier) then.

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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to Maxell on Wednesday, January 06, 2016 18:54:07
    El 14/12/15 a las 05:07, Maxell escribió:
    Hey, I'm new to this place. So basically this thread is about Linux distributions. What are your favourites?

    Right now, I'm using Arch Linux and XFCE as a desktop. For my shell, I'm using oh-my-zsh, though.

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  • From Christopher Perrault@VERT to Maxell on Wednesday, January 06, 2016 19:40:57
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Maxell to All on Mon Dec 14 2015 01:07 am

    I've always been a big fan of Mageia on the desktop. That said I've had to move away from it and have been using Centos instead on my desktop and Fedora on my laptop. I'm using them because I use Redhat for work and I can use the RHEL technology with Centos since they are basically the same. Fedora on the laptop to at some get some familiarity with Systemd and some of the other newer technologies.
    The main reason I moved away from Mageia is because they have their own security layer (MSEC) and I need to at some point start getting 'intimate' with SELinux which it doesn't have.
    Other then that I recommend it highly (and for a desktop system, I'm sure MSEC is more than adequate).
    I also like the Fedora I've been using (Fedora 20 KDE Spin). I need to update it at some point though.
    I can't comment on the Debian/Ubuntu and derivatives. I haven't gotten around to using any of them extensively, though I hear great things about Mint.

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  • From Mike S@VERT/CS2BBS to Nightfox on Monday, January 25, 2016 03:03:00
    Nightfox wrote to Jay C. Theriot <=-

    To go really old-school, my favourite OS is AmigaOS 3.x. I run Amiga Forever on a Win 10 laptop and it's where I go if I need some time to think.

    I never used Amiga very much, but I've always heard they were great for multimedia applications. What kind of projects do you work on with
    Amiga software? And is there any Amiga software that doesn't have a
    real equivalent in Windows, Mac, or Linux?

    I've always been interested in alternative operating systems & environments. Sometimes I think it's a shame that some of them (such as Amiga OS, OS/2, BeOS, etc.) didn't survive commercially.

    Nightfox

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    I've been out of the Amiga world since before Commodore died, so I can't
    tell you anything about the newer versions of the AmigaOS, but the original Amiga was so well liked for video applications was it's hardware. Along with the video display being designed to output NTSC natively, the Amiga also had custom graphics processing chips in it that other machines of it's day
    didn't have. I believe todays machines are all so much faster that the
    benefits the original custom processors gave the Amiga no longer make a big difference. I always thought of the AmigaOS as a single user unix, it had
    the ability to run more than one program at a time way before either the Mac
    or Windows invented those capabilities!

    Have you looked at the Haiku OS? It's a rencarnation of BeOS that's fully OpenSource, and available for download as either a live boot ISO, or a usb drive image. I've downloaded the files, and I'm going to try and get them running on my Mac with VirtualBox.

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  • From Mike S@VERT/CS2BBS to Christopher Perrault on Monday, January 25, 2016 04:49:00
    Christopher Perrault wrote to Maxell <=-

    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Maxell to All on Mon Dec 14 2015 01:07 am

    I've always been a big fan of Mageia on the desktop. That said I've had
    to move away from it and have been using Centos instead on my desktop
    and Fedora on my laptop. I'm using them because I use Redhat for work
    and I can use the RHEL technology with Centos since they are basically
    the same. Fedora on the laptop to at some get some familiarity with Systemd and some of the other newer technologies.
    ---

    I'm not all that familiar with Linux, I normally prefer to run either one of the BSD's or Solaris, but I'm currently running Linux on a Raspberry Pi2,
    and it's distro Raspbian comes with Systemd setup, but after doing some reading, I followed one author's suggestion, and have removed it, and gone
    back to the older /etc/init.d/ style startup scripts. I did this a while
    ago, and have since lost my links to the original article, so can you tell
    me, why do folks use systemd? On the Raspberry Pi2 at least it seemed to
    slow it down a noticable amount, while not doing anything extra.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mike S on Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:26:55
    I've been out of the Amiga world since before Commodore died, so I can't tell you anything about the newer versions of the AmigaOS, but the original Amiga was so well liked for video applications was it's hardware. Along with the video display being designed to output NTSC natively, the Amiga also had custom graphics processing chips in it that other machines of it's day didn't have. I believe todays machines are all so much faster that the benefits the original custom processors gave the Amiga no longer make a big difference. I always thought of the AmigaOS as a single user unix, it had the ability to run more than one program at a time way before either the Mac or Windows invented those capabilities!

    Yeah, I've heard the Amiga was popular for its video capabilities. For some things, I do tend to prefer a hardware-based solution.

    Have you looked at the Haiku OS? It's a rencarnation of BeOS that's fully OpenSource, and available for download as either a live boot ISO, or a usb drive image. I've downloaded the files, and I'm going to try and get them running on my Mac with VirtualBox.

    Yeah, I have had a look at Haiku OS. The last time I checked into it (a while ago), it still seemed like it was in fairly early stages. But it looks interesting. Since BeOS died though, I'm not sure what the chances are that HaikuOS would take off, particularly since other open-source projects such as Linux are already much more developed and mature. But it would be cool to see if Haiku OS will find a niche and take off somehow.

    Nightfox

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  • From Christopher Perrault@VERT to Mike S on Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:05:37
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Mike S to Christopher Perrault on Mon Jan 25 2016 04:49 am

    me, why do folks use systemd? On the Raspberry Pi2 at least it seemed to slow it down a noticable amount, while not doing anything extra.

    I haven't done a TON of work with Systemd yet (as much as I've been intending too). But I've done a little with services and review the new logs and stuff. Philosophically I'm not that crazy about it. It just goes against the way things are normally done in Unix/Linux. I'm not huge on one piece of software having that much sway over the entire OS.
    From a technological standpoing though, I don't know of too many issues with
    it that haven't been ironed out. Someone else may be able to shed more light on that though.

    Why do people use it?

    My initial impression was that it was a case of shiny object syndrome, but that wouldn't explain why companies with money at stake (Redhat primarily) would jump at making it a big part of their distro plans.
    I think the biggest gain is in the boot speeds. Old sysv init starts processes one at a time in a linear fashion. Where Systemd excels is that it starts processes up in parallel, when possible, making the boot times much faster.

    My first thought when it came to this was "Who cares? Servers aren't rebooted all that often for it to really matter.". But the truth is, with containers and platform-as-a-service offerings along with virtualization technology, the end result is a lot more servers being rebooted far more often. Being up to spin up a VM is seconds especially in DR scenarios has become a big deal today. Not so much on the desktop, but in the Enterprise, it's become huge and it's not changing any time soon.

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  • From Vectorgamer@VERT/CAPSHRIL to All on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 09:48:41
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Timesoarer to Maxell on Tue Dec 15 2015 08:44 pm

    My desktop computer at home was running Win XP and it was slow as balls. I wiped it and loaded Ubuntu instead and now the responsiveness is tolerable (not blazing fast but like night & day compared to when XP was running). It's a 2-GHz CPU with 2-GB DRAM.

    The only problem I have is trying to get printer drivers for a Brother printer I have. The installation instructions are too convoluted.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vectorgamer on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:27:05
    My desktop computer at home was running Win XP and it was slow as balls. I wiped it and loaded Ubuntu instead and now the responsiveness is tolerable (not blazing fast but like night & day compared to when XP was running). It's a 2-GHz CPU with 2-GB DRAM.

    The only problem I have is trying to get printer drivers for a Brother printer I have. The installation instructions are too convoluted.

    It often seems like there's that one device that's hard to get going in
    Linux.. Not too long ago, I installed Mint Linux on my PC to dual-boot
    between that and Windows. And now that you mention it, I also have a Brother printer, and I don't think I've tried using it in Mint Linux yet.

    Nightfox

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Vectorgamer on Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:05:52
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vectorgamer to All on Tue Feb 02 2016 09:48 am

    My desktop computer at home was running Win XP and it was slow as balls. I wiped it and loaded Ubuntu instead and now the responsiveness is tolerable (not blazing fast but like night & day compared to when XP was running). It's a 2-GHz CPU with 2-GB DRAM.

    There's a version of Ubuntu called Lubuntu that's a nice lite version of Ubuntu. It uses LXDE, which is a lighter window manager than Unity, and lighhter weight apps than the Ubuntu defaults. If you install the Lubuntu-desktop package you'll get most of the behefits.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 08:54:00
    Nightfox wrote to Vectorgamer <=-

    It often seems like there's that one device that's hard to get going in Linux.. Not too long ago, I installed Mint Linux on my PC to dual-boot between that and Windows. And now that you mention it, I also have a Brother printer, and I don't think I've tried using it in Mint Linux
    yet.

    I use Linux mostly for servers (like my BBS! ;) ). It works well in that role.
    I have several small systems - two low power PCs, 3 Raspberry Pis and a Banana Pi that run Linux. I prefer a Debian style distribution where possible these days (having converted from the Red Hat camp years ago). The Pis all run Raspbian Wheezy. One of the PCs runs Debian Wheezy (this is the IRLP node), and the other PC (which is my VPN router for a small block of public IPs) runs CentOS 5. This PC runs Windows 7. I find Windows to be a little more convenient for end user work. I also like Macs, though my Mac died over a year ago.

    To answer the favourite Linux question, I'd go for Debian or a close derivative (e.g. Raspbian).
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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Vectorgamer on Thursday, February 04, 2016 19:49:53
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vectorgamer to All on Tue Feb 02 2016 09:48 am

    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Timesoarer to Maxell on Tue Dec 15 2015 08:44 pm

    My desktop computer at home was running Win XP and it was slow as balls. I wiped it and loaded Ubuntu instead and now the responsiveness is tolerable ( blazing fast but like night & day compared to when XP was running). It's a 2-GHz CPU with 2-GB DRAM.

    The only problem I have is trying to get printer drivers for a Brother print I have. The installation instructions are too convoluted.


    You may be able to speed it up even more with a different desktop. The laptop I am using right now is an old IBM Thinkpad X41 with a 1.5Ghz CPU and 1.5Gb ram. When I originally got it it had Ubuntu 12.04 and only 512Mb ram. It was too slow to be usable. After switching to something other then Unity made all the difference. Unity seemed to run fine after upgrading the RAM, but I had come to like the interface I was using. Right now it is running Lubuntu 14.04 with no problem.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Mr. Cool on Friday, February 05, 2016 09:24:01
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Mr. Cool to Vectorgamer on Thu Feb 04 2016 07:49 pm

    laptop I am using right now is an old IBM Thinkpad X41 with a 1.5Ghz CPU and 1.5Gb ram. When I originally got it it had Ubuntu 12.04 and only 512Mb ram. It was too slow to be usable. After switching to something other then Unity made all the difference. Unity seemed to run fine after upgrading the RAM, but I had come to like the interface I was using. Right now it is running Lubuntu 14.04 with no problem.

    I love Lubuntu for old Thinkpads. I have a T42 with 1 GB of RAM, same era as your T41. Lubuntu idles with something like 128 mb of RAM used. Good hardware support, too. THe only problem was PAE support - the CPU supports it, but IBM doesn't report it. Newer versions of Linux require it. You either need to start with 12.04 and upgrade, or do some tweaks to make the install work.

    A package called fake-PAE works for programs that look for PAE once it's up and running.

    A found a PATA SSD that makes it respond like a modern-ish laptop.

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  • From Mr. Cool@VERT/RETROARC to Poindexter Fortran on Saturday, February 06, 2016 20:45:22
    Re: Favourite linux
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Mr. Cool on Fri Feb 05 2016 09:24 am

    support, too. THe only problem was PAE support - the CPU supports it, but IB doesn't report it. Newer versions of Linux require it. You either need to st with 12.04 and upgrade, or do some tweaks to make the install work.

    A package called fake-PAE works for programs that look for PAE once it's up running.

    I did run into that problem with my Gateway when I updated to Xubuntu 12.04 to 14.04. If I remember right, I was able to get around it with a command or two , but after that I had to clean things up quite a bit to get it to perform reasonablly, so I somewhat recently installed Debian 8.

    I installed that same Xubuntu on an old computer I use for HAM radio applications and converted it to Lubuntu. I did not see any need to upgrade because I don't usually go online with it. You will probablly laugh at this, but it only has something like 384MB of ram. The processor is 1300Mhz and the apps I'm running seem to perform just fine with the limited resources.

    - Mr. Cool

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 01:00:36
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Feb 03 2016 08:54 am

    I use Linux mostly for servers (like my BBS! ;) ). It works well in that role.
    I have several small systems - two low power PCs, 3 Raspberry Pis and a Banana Pi that run Linux. I prefer a Debian style distribution where possible these days (having converted from the Red Hat camp years ago). The Pis all run Raspbian Wheezy. One of the PCs runs Debian Wheezy (this is the IRLP node), and the other PC (which is my VPN router for a small block of public IPs) runs CentOS 5. This PC runs Windows 7. I find Windows to be a little more convenient for end user work. I also like Macs, though my Mac

    This sounds a lot like me. I've got a bunch of Raspberry Pis, a BeagleBone Black, and even an ODROID U3. I run
    Linux on all of my VPSes, and my BBS runs on Linux.

    I use OS X for my desktop, because it's prettier and more stable than any Linux desktop I've run over the years,
    and the developer tools are fantastic. It's the best of both worlds.

    And then there's Windows... rather than run Windows VMs (which I found to be a little painful sometimes, due to
    keyboard mappings you have to make, lag on the primary system, etc), I finally resorted to buying two really cheap
    (sub $200) Windows laptops. One is a $129 HP which is slower than molasses, and the other is a $199 ThinkPad.
    Shocked at how useful they actually are!

    In any case... I like iOS and OSX more than Linux these days, but I still run Linux for all my servers (and I have
    about 15 right now).

    Knight

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:51:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This sounds a lot like me. I've got a bunch of Raspberry Pis, a
    BeagleBone Black, and even an ODROID U3. I run Linux on all of my
    VPSes, and my BBS runs on Linux.

    Yep, very similar. :)

    I use OS X for my desktop, because it's prettier and more stable than
    any Linux desktop I've run over the years, and the developer tools are fantastic. It's the best of both worlds.

    I like OS X, used to use it, until my Mac died over 2 years ago. :( Now use Windows 7.

    And then there's Windows... rather than run Windows VMs (which I found
    to be a little painful sometimes, due to keyboard mappings you have to make, lag on the primary system, etc), I finally resorted to buying two really cheap (sub $200) Windows laptops. One is a $129 HP which is
    slower than molasses, and the other is a $199 ThinkPad. Shocked at how useful they actually are!

    I use a low end laptop for travelling, though it's painful and for many things, I just grab the ipad. :)

    In any case... I like iOS and OSX more than Linux these days, but I
    still run Linux for all my servers (and I have about 15 right now).

    Horses for courses. I like Linux on servers, OS X or Windows for desktop/laptop use, and iOS or Android for mobile devices.


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 05:44:50
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 10:51 pm

    Horses for courses. I like Linux on servers, OS X or Windows for desktop/laptop use, and iOS or Android for mobile devices.

    Yes!

    Now, what kind of ham gear do you use?

    Knight

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 09:35:48
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Knight to Vk3jed on Tue Mar 15 2016 01:00 am

    In any case... I like iOS and OSX more than Linux these days, but I still run Linux for all my servers (and I have
    about 15 right now).

    Wow, I guess I am not as big of a geek as my wife thinks I am :) you win

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Denn on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 14:06:18
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Denn to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 09:35 am

    Wow, I guess I am not as big of a geek as my wife thinks I am :) you win

    They're all virtual. I gave up running hardware in the house (except for embedded computers like the Pi) years ago
    when I had racks in my garage and home office and the power bill was $500-600/mo. My wife thought I was nuts. But
    I had been that way long before she came along, so she just had to put up with it.

    Now for years the house has been relatively free of computers. A couple of Mac laptops and that's it. But now the
    house is starting to collect too many again. Cheap Windows laptops, about 10 mobile phones (at least one of every
    iPhone, and several cheap Androids), tablets, etc.

    And with every device comes *cables*... uggg, the dreaded cables... I can't wait until everything is wireless.

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 07:55:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Now, what kind of ham gear do you use?

    Mostly HTs, but I have a couple of IC-7000s (one needs a trip to Icom for repair), an ond IC-745 (backup HF rig), FT-736R, FT-9800, as well as a repeater (currently using an IC-2720 for receive and Kenwood for Tx). :) Not to mention the EchoIRLP node and remote base controller (which currently controls the FT-736R). :)

    And yourself?


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:32:00
    Knight wrote to Denn <=-

    They're all virtual. I gave up running hardware in the house (except
    for embedded computers like the Pi) years ago when I had racks in my garage and home office and the power bill was $500-600/mo. My wife
    thought I was nuts. But I had been that way long before she came along,
    so she just had to put up with it.

    Way to go. I used to have a bit of a power bill, but I'm now down to one VPS (that does everything external) and several Pis and embedded PCs around the house for various functions. :)


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 01:44:09
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 07:55 am

    Mostly HTs, but I have a couple of IC-7000s (one needs a trip to Icom for repair), an ond IC-745 (backup HF rig), FT-736R, FT-9800, as well as a repeater (currently using an IC-2720 for receive and Kenwood for Tx). :)
    Not to mention the EchoIRLP node and remote base controller (which currently controls the FT-736R). :)

    Well that's a mighty nice collection. What are you using for the EchoIRLP node? And what remote base controller?

    Does anyone use the repeater? I'm guessing you have some decent antennas outside your home? I'm in a condo community at the moment
    (don't ask -- real estate is insanity here -- million dollar shacks, etc).

    And yourself?

    I'm working with a lot of HTs too, but:

    * ICOM 7100
    * Yeasu FT-857D as a kind of HF backup / field device
    * DHAP with DVAP for D-Star
    * ICOM ID-51A HT
    * whole bunch of cheap Chinese HT radios
    * TNC-X Black that I built the other day (caped on a BeagleBone Black)
    * a whole lot of SDRs (varying qualities between $20 to $250)
    * waiting on a pair of TNC-Pis to show up
    * TNC-X that I built wrong (a few caps soldered in wrong places)

    I'm considering picking up a Kenwood HT that has a TNC built in (wanting to get on packet), and maybe a Kenwood mobile that has a TNC.

    I can't put up any antennas, so HF is actually pretty impossible at my current QTH. Not only is there signal blockage from the
    structures, but the noise floor here is insanity. Hoping to move this year, preferably to a house on a property where I can put up a
    tower eventually.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 02:24:45
    Re: Re: Favourite linux
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 11:32 am

    Way to go. I used to have a bit of a power bill, but I'm now down to one VPS (that does everything external) and several Pis and embedded PCs around the house for various functions. :)

    Fantastic!

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 22:24:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Well that's a mighty nice collection. What are you using for the
    EchoIRLP node? And what remote base controller?

    Thanks. :)

    The node runs on an embedded PC. 800 MHz Celeron, if I recall, CF storage, no moving parts. :) Slightly underpowered for what I'm actually doing, as the system occasionally bogs down now that I'm streaming to Radioreference. RF wise, receiver is an IC-2720, Tx is a TM-G707A running at the 10W setting. Using a set of notch cavities for the duplexer. The remote base controller is actually integrated into the system and uses thelinkbox, along with Hamlib, a couple of Linux utilities and some custom scripting that I wrote. The remote base can be controlled from SSH, Echolink text box, DTMF over the repeater or DTMF over IRLP. :)

    Does anyone use the repeater? I'm guessing you have some decent
    antennas outside your home? I'm in a condo community at the moment
    (don't ask -- real estate is insanity here -- million dollar shacks,
    etc).

    Not at the moment, I can't run it full time until I sort out the paperwork. :(

    And yourself?

    I'm working with a lot of HTs too, but:

    * ICOM 7100
    * Yeasu FT-857D as a kind of HF backup / field device
    * DHAP with DVAP for D-Star
    * ICOM ID-51A HT
    * whole bunch of cheap Chinese HT radios
    * TNC-X Black that I built the other day (caped on a BeagleBone
    Black)
    * a whole lot of SDRs (varying qualities between $20 to $250)
    * waiting on a pair of TNC-Pis to show up
    * TNC-X that I built wrong (a few caps soldered in wrong places)

    I'm considering picking up a Kenwood HT that has a TNC built in
    (wanting to get on packet), and maybe a Kenwood mobile that has a TNC.

    Nice. :)

    I can't put up any antennas, so HF is actually pretty impossible at my current QTH. Not only is there signal blockage from the structures, but the noise floor here is insanity. Hoping to move this year, preferably
    to a house on a property where I can put up a tower eventually.

    I'm restricted to 40 and 20m on HF, until I can get the IC-7000 in the shack repaired, which will allow me to use the AH-4 on the other wire.



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