• Telemate in DOSbox

    From Gun Runner@VERT/CYBERIA to All on Monday, October 05, 2015 22:21:00
    Has anyone been able to run Telemate in DOSbox to connect to a BBS?

    i found an article at breakintochat.com/blog/tag/telemate but DOSbox just locks up when i run Telemate.

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gun Runner on Monday, October 05, 2015 22:57:47
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to All on Mon Oct 05 2015 10:21 pm

    Has anyone been able to run Telemate in DOSbox to connect to a BBS?

    i found an article at breakintochat.com/blog/tag/telemate but DOSbox just locks up when i run Telemate.

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe



    use the termbox package to use various dos terminals to connect to
    current bbses via telnet.
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  • From Gun Runner@VERT/CYBERIA to All on Monday, October 05, 2015 22:21:00
    Has anyone been able to run Telemate in DOSbox to connect to a BBS?

    i found an article at breakintochat.com/blog/tag/telemate but DOSbox just locks up when i run Telemate.

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    hah! this is fun, i'm using Telemate 4.21 now!


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Gun Runner on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 06:02:24
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to All on Mon Oct 05 2015 10:21 pm

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    That brought back memories... in 993-ish, I had the BBS running on a 286 and had a 386SX on my desk. I could run Telemate, and while downloading a message packet could use the text editor. Ah, 2400 baud.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gun Runner on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 09:07:46
    Has anyone been able to run Telemate in DOSbox to connect to a BBS?

    i found an article at breakintochat.com/blog/tag/telemate but DOSbox just locks up when i run Telemate.

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    hah! this is fun, i'm using Telemate 4.21 now!

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 19:31:42
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Gun Runner on Tue Oct 06 2015 06:02 am

    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to All on Mon Oct 05 2015 10:21 pm

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    That brought back memories... in 993-ish, I had the BBS running on a 286
    and had a 386SX on my desk. I could run Telemate, and while downloading a message packet could use the text editor. Ah, 2400 baud.




    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200
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  • From Gun Runner@VERT/CYBERIA to Mro on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 21:27:00
    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200

    So you went from 1200 baud to ISP? What happened in between?

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  • From metalhead@VERT/CYBERIA to Gun Runner on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 23:23:00
    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    Wow! That's an ancient artifact!

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Gun Runner on Tuesday, October 06, 2015 23:25:00
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to Mro on Tue Oct 06 2015 09:27 pm

    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200

    So you went from 1200 baud to ISP? What happened in between?


    no
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  • From Jeff Friend@VERT/MORDOR to Gun Runner on Friday, October 09, 2015 22:23:25
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to All on Mon Oct 05 2015 10:21 pm

    Has anyone been able to run Telemate in DOSbox to connect to a BBS?

    i found an article at breakintochat.com/blog/tag/telemate but DOSbox just lo up when i run Telemate.

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    Yes, I run Telemate under DOSBox to connect to BBS's. YOu have to tell DOSBox to add a few lines into the dosbox configuration file.

    serial1=modem listenport 23
    serial2=modem listenport:5000
    serial3=modem listenport:5001

    Add those lines to the [serial] section. Then, in Telemate, type in ATDT <BBS web address> and press enter. Away you go.

    However, I have found that I cannot download files..

    Jeff in Australia

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Jeff Friend on Friday, October 16, 2015 07:59:34
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Jeff Friend to Gun Runner on Fri Oct 09 2015 10:23 pm

    However, I have found that I cannot download files..

    What protocols are you using to download? Might try YModem-G (no error correction) if it's available, I sometimes find YG works where Z fails.

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  • From Jeff Friend@VERT/MORDOR to Android8675 on Sunday, October 18, 2015 18:31:06
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Android8675 to Jeff Friend on Fri Oct 16 2015 07:59 am

    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Jeff Friend to Gun Runner on Fri Oct 09 2015 10:23 pm

    However, I have found that I cannot download files..

    What protocols are you using to download? Might try YModem-G (no error correction) if it's available, I sometimes find YG works where Z fails.

    I usually use Z Modem. Telemate (I am using Telemate now to type this in DOSBOX) does have Y-Modem-G so I will give that a go.

    My Telemate is a fully paid for copy. I paid for it in about 1992 and still have the original letter. LOL. Wow, makes me feel old....

    Jeff

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Mro on Wednesday, October 21, 2015 18:26:07
    That brought back memories... in 993-ish, I had the BBS running on a 286
    and had a 386SX on my desk. I could run Telemate, and while downloading a
    message packet could use the text editor. Ah, 2400 baud.

    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200

    Started on an IBM PC XT with a CGA adapter/monitor (used) around 1991 with a 1200bps modem... man, ANSI was s-l-o-w ... I do emphatically *not* mist the old hardware. I do miss local BBSes and GTs though.
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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to tracker1 on Wednesday, October 21, 2015 20:57:32
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: tracker1 to Mro on Wed Oct 21 2015 06:26 pm

    That brought back memories... in 993-ish, I had the BBS running on a 286 >> and had a 386SX on my desk. I could run Telemate, and while downloading
    a >> message packet could use the text editor. Ah, 2400 baud.

    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200

    Started on an IBM PC XT with a CGA adapter/monitor (used) around 1991 with
    a 1200bps modem... man, ANSI was s-l-o-w ... I do emphatically *not* mist the old hardware. I do miss local BBSes and GTs though.


    yeah you had some great local bbses and great get togethers
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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Monday, March 14, 2016 23:58:25
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Gun Runner on Tue Oct 06 2015 06:02 am

    That brought back memories... in 993-ish, I had the BBS running on a 286 and had a 386SX on my desk. I could run Telemate, and while downloading a message packet could use the text editor. Ah, 2400 baud.

    I really miss message packets. I really wish we could bring back offline QWK readers, specifically for OS X :)

    Knight

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Nightfox on Monday, March 14, 2016 23:59:06
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Nightfox to Gun Runner on Tue Oct 06 2015 09:07 am

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    We need to do this. Would be great to document the process so others can do it too who might be less technical.

    Knight

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Gun Runner on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 00:02:06
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to Mro on Tue Oct 06 2015 09:27 pm

    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200

    So you went from 1200 baud to ISP? What happened in between?

    Ha! Oh man, getting a 2400 baud modem was my big moment. I saved the $300 as a maybe 12 year old, rode my bike 15
    miles to Fry's Electonics in Palo Alto, and bought it. I was so excited, because my 1200 baud was so slow, and I
    would be able to download files at a more reasonable speed.

    That bike ride took seemingly forever... in traffic with cars everywhere.

    But, it was so worth it. Ahhh, BAYES compatible... I'm trying to remember what brand it was. I can picture the
    box.

    Knight
    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to tracker1 on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 00:06:59
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: tracker1 to Mro on Wed Oct 21 2015 06:26 pm

    Started on an IBM PC XT with a CGA adapter/monitor (used) around 1991 with a 1200bps modem... man, ANSI was s-l-o-w ... I do emphatically *not* mist the old hardware. I do miss local BBSes and GTs though.

    I was similar! I had an XT, originally with a 10MB MFM hard drive, which I later upgraded to 20MB. HA! Can you
    believe it, 10MB! And floppies were in the KB...

    And 4 color CGA... Holy crap, I almost forgot about that. Playing early games on that was incredible. What games
    did we play? Duke Nukem? What about that one where you are crashed on some planet and you have a space suit...

    I definitely installed Minix on that piece of crap. And later the 0.1 Linux kernel (which of course, great to a
    full distro later).

    I miss the old BBSes so much.

    Knight

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 23:13:00
    Knight wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I really miss message packets. I really wish we could bring back
    offline QWK readers, specifically for OS X :)

    And I'm sitting here enjoying a QWK packet... ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 23:15:00
    Knight wrote to tracker1 <=-

    I was similar! I had an XT, originally with a 10MB MFM hard drive,
    which I later upgraded to 20MB. HA! Can you believe it, 10MB! And
    floppies were in the KB...

    That's how my original BBS machine started! :)

    And 4 color CGA... Holy crap, I almost forgot about that. Playing early games on that was incredible. What games did we play? Duke Nukem? What about that one where you are crashed on some planet and you have a
    space suit...

    OK, we aren't clones, I never really got into games. ;)

    I definitely installed Minix on that piece of crap. And later the 0.1 Linux kernel (which of course, great to a full distro later).

    I miss the old BBSes so much.

    BBS were cool in their day, but modern software is giving some of the feel back. :)


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 05:52:24
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 11:15 pm

    OK, we aren't clones, I never really got into games. ;)

    Oh that's a shame. They were great.

    BBS were cool in their day, but modern software is giving some of the feel back. :)

    Sure, the BBS software and a few users. But I sure do miss the communities of people, and the air of excitement
    that came with it. The world was your oyster, but in a limited kind of way (oxymoron, perhaps). The Internet sort
    of exploded and 100 worlds are your oyster and there's no nozzle to limit the flow from the hoze.

    Knight

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  • From Gryphon@VERT/CYBERIA to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 08:18:00
    On 03/15/16, Knight said the following...

    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gun Runner to Mro on Tue Oct 06 2015 09:27 pm

    2400 baud? you were lucky! i had 1200

    So you went from 1200 baud to ISP? What happened in between?

    Ha! Oh man, getting a 2400 baud modem was my big moment. I saved the
    $300 as a m aybe 12 year old, rode my bike 15
    miles to Fry's Electonics in Palo Alto, and bought it. I was so excited, because my 1200 baud was so slow, and I
    would be able to download files at a more reasonable speed.

    Ah yes. Fry's in Palo Alto. The one with the Olde West theme. My closest Frys (at that time) was in Campbell, with the Egyptian Pyramid theme. Then there was the Santa Clara/Sunnyvale one with the Semiconductor theme. The closest Frys here in Houston has a Oil Well theme, like in No Country for Old Men. Then there's another close-by Frys that is near Johnson Space Center in Webster, which oddly enough has a NASA theme.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 06:53:34
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Mar 14 2016 11:58 pm

    I really miss message packets. I really wish we could bring back offline QWK readers, specifically for OS X :)

    Emulate an old OS and you're set.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 06:54:55
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Nightfox on Mon Mar 14 2016 11:59 pm

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with
    Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an
    emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    We need to do this. Would be great to document the process so others can do it too who might be less technical.

    There's a torrent out there called TERMBOX that's DOSBOX set to use it's modem emulation to connect to port 23, and a handful of old DOS terminal programs. install it, run it, and you've got an original DOS term environment that works over telnet.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 06:56:07
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Gun Runner on Tue Mar 15 2016 12:02 am

    But, it was so worth it. Ahhh, BAYES compatible... I'm trying to remember what brand it was. I can picture the box.

    ITYM Hayes.

    AT&FL1M1&C1&D2 - I think I still remember my BBS's init string!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 08:46:52
    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with
    Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an
    emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    We need to do this. Would be great to document the process so others can do it too who might be less technical.

    I've seen it done, and I seem to remember seeing something that made it easy
    to set up a comm program (or maybe a DOS program in general) with DOSBox. I had Telemate set up in DOSBox at some point, but there was some reason I
    didn't continue using it for telnet BBSes.. I think something about the way
    it worked didn't work quite right. I don't remember what it was though.

    Nightfox

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 09:50:00
    KNIGHT wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I really miss message packets. I really wish we could bring back
    offline QWK readers, specifically for OS X :)

    I'm using MM on Win7 running under Parallels on OS X. A local BBS
    has a Terminal version that will run under OS X, but I didn't care
    for the 'plain' interface.

    A few nights ago I installed DOS 6.22 in Parallels and opened oLX,
    but I found that I actually like MM better. :-) (OLX is what I used
    way back when... in the 90's)


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 09:53:00
    KNIGHT wrote to GUN RUNNER <=-

    Ha! Oh man, getting a 2400 baud modem was my big moment. I saved the

    <snip> I started with an internal 2400 in a hand me down monochrome
    dual floppy system my sister gave me. On a trip to Memphis I bought
    a 14.4. People said, "you can't run that on an 8088 system," which
    of course made me MAKE it work. :-)

    Downloads were fine - I had a different autoexec.bat & config.sys
    when it was time to upload. I just slowed it to 9600 and all was
    good.

    Ah - truly the "good old days." :-)


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:07:00
    KNIGHT wrote to VK3JED <=-

    Sure, the BBS software and a few users. But I sure do miss the
    communities of people, and the air of excitement that came with it. The world was your oyster, but in a limited kind of way (oxymoron,
    perhaps). The Internet sort of exploded and 100 worlds are your oyster
    and there's no nozzle to limit the flow from the hoze.

    Agreed! Playing a game online is one thing - playing an online game with someone you've commicated with via the message board is another - and
    then MEETING that person face to face just sweetened it even MORE!


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Gryphon on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:12:31
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Gryphon to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 08:18 am

    Ah yes. Fry's in Palo Alto. The one with the Olde West theme. My closest Frys (at that time) was in Campbell, with the Egyptian Pyramid theme. Then there was the Santa Clara/Sunnyvale one with the Semiconductor theme. The closest Frys here in Houston has a Oil Well theme, like in No Country for Old Men. Then there's another close-by Frys that is near Johnson Space Center in Webster, which oddly enough has a NASA theme.

    Good old Fry's and their themes. Yeah, I think there's a draw because the experience is different than Best Buy,
    etc. Though the real reason was part availability (you could find stuff you can't at places like Best Buy) and low
    prices. That seems to be changing a bit though. I have spent a small fortune at Fry's over the years, but lately I
    haven't been going very often.

    And of course, usually their sales guys have no idea what they're selling. There's always one expert-level guy
    roaming around, but he's in demand (and often hiding). The rest of them are snake oil salesmen.

    The oil and NASA themes make sense, considering where they are located. I wonder who came up with that idea.
    There's got to be a backstory.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:34:27
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 06:53 am

    Emulate an old OS and you're set.

    Not exactly. That's somewhat painful. You don't really get a native experience, it's slower, and more hoops to
    jump through.

    For example -- one of my favorite old school games is Maxis A-Train. But to play it you have to run it in DOSEmu
    or in a Mac emulator (I prefer the Mac version -- better interface). And while it's fun, it's just so out of date
    and there are weird mouse quirks, and the sound is choppy/strange.

    I keep praying someone will make a modern port of it (and not the bastardized 3D versions of the newer games on
    Steam) and toying with the idea that I'll make it. But I doubt anyone ever will.

    I guess what I'm saying is that emulation is often great for scratching the nostalghic itch, but rarely does it
    replace having an up-to-date modern native experience.

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:35:00
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 06:54 am

    There's a torrent out there called TERMBOX that's DOSBOX set to use it's modem emulation to connect to port 23, and a handful of old DOS terminal programs. install it, run it, and you've got an original DOS term environment that works over telnet.

    Awesome, I'm going to hunt that down.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:36:42
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 06:56 am

    ITYM Hayes.

    Ahhh, right! Thanks for reminding me. I was confusing myself with bayesian.

    AT&FL1M1&C1&D2 - I think I still remember my BBS's init string!

    That looks about right. Nice memory...

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:48:34
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Tue Mar 15 2016 09:50 am

    I'm using MM on Win7 running under Parallels on OS X. A local BBS
    has a Terminal version that will run under OS X, but I didn't care
    for the 'plain' interface.

    A few nights ago I installed DOS 6.22 in Parallels and opened oLX,
    but I found that I actually like MM better. :-) (OLX is what I used
    way back when... in the 90's)

    Yeah see, I've been using virtual machines and emulators for years. But I really don't like to do things inside of
    them for hours. There is always keyboard mapping issues, and mouse/keyboard quirks, and extra battery draw when
    not plugged in, and host OS slowdowns.

    I would much rather have a native app for something like that.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:49:52
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Tue Mar 15 2016 09:53 am

    Downloads were fine - I had a different autoexec.bat & config.sys
    when it was time to upload. I just slowed it to 9600 and all was
    good.

    Haha, that would have driven me nuts... having a 14.4 that I had to force down to 9600.

    That's like owning a Ferrari but having a limiter installed in valet mode permanently restricting it from going
    above 45 MPH.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:55:04
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Tue Mar 15 2016 10:07 am

    Agreed! Playing a game online is one thing - playing an online game with someone you've commicated with via the message board is another - and
    then MEETING that person face to face just sweetened it even MORE!

    Exactly! I can't stand most of the people I've met on Xbox Live. It's mostly young kids who swear and do annoying
    things, or adults that are trolling. But the people I'd meet on BBSes and then play doors together... that was
    amazing.

    Knight

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gryphon on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 13:51:42
    Ah yes. Fry's in Palo Alto. The one with the Olde West theme. My closest Frys (at that time) was in Campbell, with the Egyptian Pyramid theme. Then there was the Santa Clara/Sunnyvale one with the Semiconductor theme. The closest Frys here in Houston has a Oil Well theme, like in No Country for Old Men. Then there's another close-by Frys that is near Johnson Space Center in Webster, which oddly enough has a NASA theme.

    There's a Fry's not too far from me, but it doesn't have a theme.

    Nightfox

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Nightfox on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 14:09:30
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Nightfox to Gryphon on Tue Mar 15 2016 01:51 pm

    There's a Fry's not too far from me, but it doesn't have a theme.

    I think with their success and growth, they stopped introducing new themes. I've been to a Fry's (Cupertino? San Jose?) that had no
    theme.

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 08:11:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    OK, we aren't clones, I never really got into games. ;)

    Oh that's a shame. They were great.

    The story is a bit more long and complicated, but the short version is most gaming platforms are incompatible with me, especially in regards to how motion is handled. I have a requirement to feel the motion to process it properly - something clearly impossible with a traditional PC/console game. :)

    BBS were cool in their day, but modern software is giving some of the feel back. :)

    Sure, the BBS software and a few users. But I sure do miss the
    communities of people, and the air of excitement that came with it. The

    Yes, me too, but I am sensing a glimpse of it in the remnants of the BBS world that are here. At least the tools used haven't been forgotten and they've managed to adapt to some extent, it's the rebuilding of communities that will be the harder challenge. Strangely enough, there seems to be a mini revival of CB radio down here in the last year or so, so maybe there is momentum for retro revivals at this time. :)

    world was your oyster, but in a limited kind of way (oxymoron,
    perhaps). The Internet sort of exploded and 100 worlds are your oyster
    and there's no nozzle to limit the flow from the hoze.

    Yeah, well as you'll see I'm pretty good at handling a fire hose. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:11:00
    Knight wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.

    Me too, at least for iOS. I think a terminal emulator/offline app would be good, all in one place. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:21:00
    Knight wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Exactly! I can't stand most of the people I've met on Xbox Live. It's mostly young kids who swear and do annoying things, or adults that are trolling. But the people I'd meet on BBSes and then play doors
    together... that was amazing.

    Again, never got into the games, other than the occasional round of BRE. I connected to people in the message echos, made some really good friends there. It was sad when the echomail and QWK networks started to close down, one major network I was involved with changed to a web forum, which pretty much left me out in the cold. :(


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 22:51:59
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Nightfox on Mon Mar 14 2016 11:59 pm

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    We need to do this. Would be great to document the process so others can do it too who might be less technical.



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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 20:43:16
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Gryphon on Tue Mar 15 2016 12:12 pm

    Good old Fry's and their themes. Yeah, I think there's a draw because the experience is different than Best Buy, etc. Though the real reason was part availability (you could find stuff you can't at places like Best Buy) and low prices. That seems to be changing a bit though.

    There's a chain called "Central Computers" in the bay area that I prefer to Frys. More parts, less electronics, lower prices and knowledgeable salespeople.

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 01:54:02
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 08:11 am

    The story is a bit more long and complicated, but the short version is most gaming platforms are incompatible with me, especially in regards to how motion is handled. I have a requirement to feel the motion to process it properly - something clearly impossible with a traditional PC/console game. :)

    Interesting. Well a lot of the old games were so unrealistic that there was little correlation with the real world, so perhaps that
    wouldn't be a problem for you. Especially some of the more esoteric games that were more about strategy than movement.

    Yes, me too, but I am sensing a glimpse of it in the remnants of the BBS world that are here. At least the tools used haven't been forgotten and they've managed to adapt to some extent, it's the rebuilding of communities that will be the harder challenge. Strangely enough, there seems to be a mini revival of CB radio down here in the last year or so, so maybe there is momentum for retro revivals at this time. :)

    I think there will be a renaissance of the need for community, of sorts. I've been craving it for a long time, but I sense that average
    people will start to want this again. Community has been disappearing, at least in this neck of the woods, for the last 15 years or so.
    Neighbors don't talk to each other, towns don't connect. I'm in a large metropolis, so that might have a lot to do with it (near San
    Francisco). Also, it's so damn expensive here that "normal" people have moved away.

    I hope so.

    I had some thoughts on how to grow the BBS community. After reading thousands of net messages, I came to terms that most of the users
    are sysops. And then I read a glowing post by a regular user (who quickly announced that he wasn't a sysop) who was excited to be a part
    of things. It reminded me that if we toned down all the "sysop presence" and made it more about the regular users, that people would
    begin to feel more comfortable. I'm suggesting that maybe since 90%+ of the people here are sysops that it might be slightly
    intimidating to the folks who are 1) not technical and 2) not involved in the operation of BBSes themselves. Though I've taken no formal
    survey or anything...

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 02:10:17
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 11:11 am

    Me too, at least for iOS. I think a terminal emulator/offline app would be good, all in one place. :)

    I use Prompt 2 on my iOS devices to do telnet/ssh. But as far as I can tell, most terminal emulators on iOS aren't really strong with
    ANSI, and certainly none of them do RIP (I wonder how many people actually have that setup today on their BBSes).

    What you are suggesting would be cool. I wouldn't even know where to begin when it came to the terminal portion of it.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 02:31:42
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 08:43 pm

    There's a chain called "Central Computers" in the bay area that I prefer to Frys. More parts, less electronics, lower prices and knowledgeable salespeople.

    Yeah I use to go to Central Computers a lot. I went to the one in Santa Clara usually. I built workstations for several little startups
    I was part of back in the dotcom days. Was always fun to walk in knowing just what I wanted, flop an investor's credit card down, and
    buy $30k of parts.

    Then I had to spend a week building everything and installing their OS and software.

    The good old days :)

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 22:37:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Interesting. Well a lot of the old games were so unrealistic that there was little correlation with the real world, so perhaps that wouldn't be
    a problem for you. Especially some of the more esoteric games that were more about strategy than movement.

    That is part of the problem, because my internal physical model (of physics lol) is always active. The other aspect is how I deal with movement. My hand-eye coordination and depth perception is a bit off. Fine positional adjustment is literally done by feel - a feedback path that is not abailable on gaming platforms. Attempting to work around that is too slow to follow game action or it leads to overwhelimg my short term meopry, so I basically lost track of where I am in the game.

    I think there will be a renaissance of the need for community, of
    sorts. I've been craving it for a long time, but I sense that average people will start to want this again. Community has been disappearing,
    at least in this neck of the woods, for the last 15 years or so.
    Neighbors don't talk to each other, towns don't connect. I'm in a large metropolis, so that might have a lot to do with it (near San
    Francisco). Also, it's so damn expensive here that "normal" people have moved away.

    Yes, I felt the lack of community in bigger cities. I now live in a regional city of around 100,000 people and have a LOT more local connection to community through the fire brigade, community and sporting groups. Loving it. :) Distances and travel time made that prohibitive in Melbourne (ironic eh?).

    I hope so.

    I had some thoughts on how to grow the BBS community. After reading thousands of net messages, I came to terms that most of the users are sysops. And then I read a glowing post by a regular user (who quickly announced that he wasn't a sysop) who was excited to be a part of
    things. It reminded me that if we toned down all the "sysop presence"
    and made it more about the regular users, that people would begin to
    feel more comfortable. I'm suggesting that maybe since 90%+ of the
    people here are sysops that it might be slightly intimidating to the
    folks who are 1) not technical and 2) not involved in the operation of BBSes themselves. Though I've taken no formal survey or anything...

    Well, that can be reflected in the message areas we carry. No reason we can't have a lot of non technical, but topical echos on our systems. We don't have to like them ourselves! And yes, not act as sysops, unless we need to. Kinda like these threads we've been having in here. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 22:47:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    I use Prompt 2 on my iOS devices to do telnet/ssh. But as far as I can tell, most terminal emulators on iOS aren't really strong with ANSI,
    and certainly none of them do RIP (I wonder how many people actually
    have that setup today on their BBSes).

    I use iSSH myself, but again, it's not designed for ANSI, etc.

    What you are suggesting would be cool. I wouldn't even know where to
    begin when it came to the terminal portion of it.

    Yeah, I'm not a coder myself, the terminal portion needs to be a SSH/telnet/rlogin client with the file transfer protocols. Something like Syncterm, but on an iOS device.


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 08:15:00
    KNIGHT wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.

    If you find it, please share. :-)


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 08:34:00
    KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Yeah see, I've been using virtual machines and emulators for years. But
    I really don't like to do things inside of them for hours. There is
    always keyboard mapping issues, and mouse/keyboard quirks, and extra battery draw when not plugged in, and host OS slowdowns.

    I would much rather have a native app for something like that.

    I'd rather have a native app for several reasons, but I don't experience
    what you're talking about... I'm running OS 10.11 on a MacBook Air 13"
    with an SSD drive and 8 gig of Ram. When Parallels is active with Win7
    I'm getting NO slow down at all, and dragging files between the OS's
    is no problem either.

    I would just rather it be native becasue I prefer the Apple interface.
    :-)



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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 08:35:00
    KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Downloads were fine - I had a different autoexec.bat & config.sys
    when it was time to upload. I just slowed it to 9600 and all was
    good.

    Haha, that would have driven me nuts... having a 14.4 that I had to
    force down to 9600.

    That's like owning a Ferrari but having a limiter installed in valet
    mode permanently restricting it from going above 45 MPH.

    LOL - yeah, but remember I was doing this on an 8088 dual floppy system.
    I was already doing more than others said should be possible. ;-)


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:34:47
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Wed Mar 16 2016 08:34 am

    I'd rather have a native app for several reasons, but I don't experience what you're talking about... I'm running OS 10.11 on a MacBook Air 13"
    with an SSD drive and 8 gig of Ram. When Parallels is active with Win7
    I'm getting NO slow down at all, and dragging files between the OS's
    is no problem either.

    I'm running 10.11 on a retina MacBook Pro (Early 2013) with an SSD drive (I just upgraded the stock Apple one with one from OWC yesterday actually) and 16GB of RAM. Realistically I have other things running (MySQL/PostgreSQL, Xcode, Sublime Text, Safari with 10 windows and 5-10 tabs each), etc. So it's not unusual for Parallels to zap extra cycles from the host OS.

    When it's the only think running it screams. But that's an unusual use case for
    me. Chances are high that whatever I want to run in a VM is a supplementary app
    use case, not a primary one. So, while I'm working I want to break and check QWK, etc. It makes no sense to me to have to work through layers in a VM.

    I just found that using Windows and sometimes Linux in a VM on a Mac is just cumbersome in general. I always have to customize 10-20 keymappings, because typing SHIFT-CTRL-C to copy a highlighted text in KDE on Linux is different than COMMAND-C on OSX. Hard to remember them all, so I have to tell Parallels about each one.

    And that just makes for a quirky experience. No fun to setup for each different
    OS.

    Things are just far from flawless. I use to use VMs a *lot* more in the past. But I guess I just got tired of it, and my needs are low enough that it's not worth the hassle.

    I would just rather it be native becasue I prefer the Apple interface.

    Yep, that too.

    Knight

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 02:28:00
    KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I'm running 10.11 on a retina MacBook Pro (Early 2013) with an SSD
    drive (I just upgraded the stock Apple one with one from OWC yesterday actually) and 16GB of RAM. Realistically I have other things running (MySQL/PostgreSQL, Xcode, Sublime Text, Safari with 10 windows and 5-10 tabs each), etc. So it's not unusual for Parallels to zap extra cycles from the host OS.

    WOW - and I thought I was a power browser! LOL

    I have Mail, Safari with only ONE window with about 10 tabs at any given time, Textedit, PhotoShop, Preview, SynchTerm (why close it down, right? <g>),
    iTunes & Excel - oh, and Chrome, for work stuff (gee - almost forgot).

    I just found that using Windows and sometimes Linux in a VM on a Mac is just cumbersome in general. I always have to customize 10-20
    keymappings, because typing SHIFT-CTRL-C to copy a highlighted text in
    KDE on Linux is different than COMMAND-C on OSX. Hard to remember them all, so I have to tell Parallels about each one.

    Ah - makes perfect sense now!

    Things are just far from flawless. I use to use VMs a *lot* more in the past. But I guess I just got tired of it, and my needs are low enough
    that it's not worth the hassle.

    Well, right now unless something comes up at work that I MUST have
    Windows for it's just for MM. :-)


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 14:11:04
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Wed Mar 16 2016 02:28 am

    WOW - and I thought I was a power browser! LOL

    Yeah, and I rarely bookmark stuff (I find Safari's bookmarking to kind of suck), so sometimes I forget to do "Reopen all tabs from last session" and boom, I lose all the sites I forgot to go back to :)

    Pretty stupid of me.

    Well, right now unless something comes up at work that I MUST have
    Windows for it's just for MM. :-)

    Oh man, the dreaded MM. One advantage of working for yourself -- you don't have
    to use that pile of crap :)

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thursday, March 17, 2016 09:44:00
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to KNIGHT <=-

    LOL - yeah, but remember I was doing this on an 8088 dual floppy
    system. I was already doing more than others said should be possible.
    ;-)

    Ahh, the days when 16550 UARTs were like gold. :D I remember running off an XT, how things have changed. :)


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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 15:16:43
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Mar 15 2016 01:49 pm

    Haha, that would have driven me nuts... having a 14.4 that I had to force down to 9600.

    I remember when I bought the holy grail -- a serial card that had 16550 UART chips on it -- a 16 BYTE buffer meant I could lock my serial port at 38400 on a 286 box that ran the BBS.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 15:39:41
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Mar 16 2016 02:31 am

    Yeah I use to go to Central Computers a lot. I went to the one in Santa Clara usually. I built workstations for several little startups I was part of back in the dotcom days. Was always fun to walk in knowing just what I wanted, flop an investor's credit card down, and buy $30k of parts.

    Heh. I did the same thing in San Francisco.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 05:32:00
    KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Yeah, and I rarely bookmark stuff (I find Safari's bookmarking to kind
    of suck), so sometimes I forget to do "Reopen all tabs from last
    session" and boom, I lose all the sites I forgot to go back to :)

    Pretty stupid of me.

    Yeah - I trust the history more than bookmarks. :-) If it is something
    I need often I just leave it open. :-)

    I do like the way I can share bookmarks across devices - or better
    yet an open tab on one is SUPER easy to open on another.

    Well, right now unless something comes up at work that I MUST have
    Windows for it's just for MM. :-)

    Oh man, the dreaded MM. One advantage of working for yourself -- you
    don't have to use that pile of crap :)

    I meant MultiMail - is that what you were referring to?


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to VK3JED on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 06:00:00
    VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    LOL - yeah, but remember I was doing this on an 8088 dual floppy
    system. I was already doing more than others said should be possible.
    ;-)

    Ahh, the days when 16550 UARTs were like gold. :D I remember running
    off an XT, how things have changed. :)

    A co-worker got a hand me down 286 with a hard drive! :-) He didn't have
    a modem so I gave him the 2400 I had pulled out. We hooked it up but
    couldn't find the number for the BBS in his town, so we dialed LD from
    his house to one in Jackson for me to chat with the sysop for the
    number. I remember him being nervous as this call turned into three
    then four then five minutes. LOL

    Man - we've come a long way from that! Our phones at work are VoIP
    dial tone (we still have a PBX from a local vendor) and continental
    US calls are 100% free!

    My cell phone still has a minutes plan, but no true "long distance."
    (only reason I have minutes is I'm still grandfathered in with
    unlimited data - don't want to change plans and lose that)


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 19:26:19
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 03:39 pm

    Heh. I did the same thing in San Francisco.

    That one is near Buca di Beppo, right? And/or the big mall down there. And the Mel's?

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 19:28:20
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Wed Mar 16 2016 05:32 am

    Oh man, the dreaded MM. One advantage of working for yourself -- you don't have to use that pile of crap :)

    I meant MultiMail - is that what you were referring to?

    OH! Ha. I thought you were referring to Meeting Maker, a pile of crap enterprise calendar system that many people are forced to use for their job and
    so they have to often keep a VM around for it.

    Knight

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Knight on Thursday, March 17, 2016 11:01:25
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Mar 16 2016 07:26 pm

    That one is near Buca di Beppo, right? And/or the big mall down there. And the Mel's?

    That's the one.

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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thursday, March 17, 2016 06:46:00

    KNIGHT wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.

    If you find it, please share. :-)

    Well, if it's one for OSX you want, you can always download the OSX port of MultiMail from my BBS here :)



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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to KNIGHT on Thursday, March 17, 2016 07:34:00
    KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Oh man, the dreaded MM. One advantage of working for yourself -- you don't have to use that pile of crap :)

    I meant MultiMail - is that what you were referring to?

    OH! Ha. I thought you were referring to Meeting Maker, a pile of crap enterprise calendar system that many people are forced to use for their job and so they have to often keep a VM around for it.

    Actually never heard of that. :-) I work IT for a school system and
    it's like pulling teeth to get some people into the 21st Century! :-)

    Just using Google Docs blew some of their minds. :-)


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Friday, March 18, 2016 00:37:43
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Knight on Thu Mar 17 2016 11:01 am

    That's the one.

    I've definitely bought from there.

    Knight

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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to JIMMY ANDERSON on Friday, March 18, 2016 00:42:06
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Thu Mar 17 2016 07:34 am

    Actually never heard of that. :-) I work IT for a school system and
    it's like pulling teeth to get some people into the 21st Century! :-)

    I don't miss that :)

    Just using Google Docs blew some of their minds. :-)

    Hahaha!

    Knight

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  • From Jeff Friend@VERT/MORDOR to Mro on Friday, March 18, 2016 15:53:22
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Mro to Knight on Tue Mar 15 2016 10:51 pm

    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Nightfox on Mon Mar 14 2016 11:59 pm

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an emulato to use with telnet BBSes.

    We need to do this. Would be great to document the process so others can it too who might be less technical.



    its easy to do and there's a guy who made 'termbox' which is all the popular dialup clients paired with dosbox
    I am using Telemate 4.21, paid for in 1992 on a DOSBox on Windows 7.

    LOVE Telemate.

    jeff

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  • From Jeff Friend@VERT/MORDOR to Nightfox on Friday, March 18, 2016 16:17:27
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Nightfox to Gun Runner on Tue Oct 06 2015 09:07 am

    Has anyone been able to run Telemate in DOSbox to connect to a BBS?

    i found an article at breakintochat.com/blog/tag/telemate but DOSbox just locks up when i run Telemate.

    oops! had to run tm.exe not telemate.exe

    hah! this is fun, i'm using Telemate 4.21 now!

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    Nightfox


    It is so worth it, just to go back in time...

    Jeff

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to ROBERT WOLFE on Friday, March 18, 2016 10:37:00
    ROBERT WOLFE wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Well, if it's one for OSX you want, you can always download the OSX
    port of MultiMail from my BBS here :)

    Yeah - tried it - wrote you to tell you I couldn't figure out
    the editor commands. :-) I know basic UNIX only because it's
    similar to BASIC itself, but couldn't figure out the editor
    it calls...

    If it can be made to call textedit then maybe...


    ... Chopped cabbage-it's not just a good idea...it's THE SLAW
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jeff Friend on Friday, March 18, 2016 19:26:58
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Jeff Friend to Nightfox on Fri Mar 18 2016 16:17:27

    Telemate was my favorite terminal program back in the day (along with
    Telix, perhaps). I've thought about setting up Telemate in an
    emulator to use with telnet BBSes.

    It is so worth it, just to go back in time...

    I've tried it a couple times. I like it, but at the same time, one advantage of using a telnet client for a modern OS is that if you're transferring any files, modern clients can support long filenames. But honestly I don't do a whole lot of that with BBSes these days, and I could also just download them from an FTP link if the BBS has FTP available.

    Nightfox

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to Knight on Friday, March 18, 2016 23:16:42
    I just found that using Windows and sometimes Linux in a VM on a Mac
    is just cumbersome in general. I always have to customize 10-20
    keymappings, because typing SHIFT-CTRL-C to copy a highlighted text
    in KDE on Linux is different than COMMAND-C on OSX. Hard to remember
    them all, so I have to tell Parallels about each one.

    That's funny, I feel the opposite, my work mbp is connected to a USB Model-M style keyboard, and I've had to tweak my mappings... hardest part is I can't install anything that makes cmd/ctrl switch back around inside iTerm (too locked down) ...

    Also, the fact that I cant' hit SUPER/WIN and type what I am looking for then hit enter to launch a less commonly used program is annoying... works in
    Unity (Ubuntu) and in Windows.

    I use all three regularly, and while I do like aspects of OSX more than windows, there are also things I like better in windows, or linux.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1(at)gmail.com
    +o Roughneck BBS

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  • From tracker1@VERT/TRNTEST to JIMMY ANDERSON on Friday, March 18, 2016 23:23:18
    Well, right now unless something comes up at work that I MUST have
    Windows for it's just for MM. :-)

    For me windows is for the occasional side-job that needs VS... then again,
    most of the apps I use are the same...

    Chrome (mostly), VS Code (I know it's from MS, but it's awesome), iTerm2 on osx, conemu in windows... bash (via git for windows on windows), homebrew in osx... and usually working with node.js for tooling.

    It's funny but my toolset is much smaller day to day than it used to be...
    I've been pretty happy in the node space.

    At home, I use kodi on my htpc, and sometimes fireup hexchat, or similar... that's most of it... almost everything else is in the browser or on the cli.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan
    tracker1(at)gmail.com
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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to tracker1 on Saturday, March 19, 2016 02:15:56
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: tracker1 to Knight on Fri Mar 18 2016 11:16 pm

    That's funny, I feel the opposite, my work mbp is connected to a USB Model-M style keyboard, and I've had to tweak my mappings... hardest part is I can't install anything that makes cmd/ctrl switch back around inside iTerm (too locked down) ...

    Just too much work. I have too many other software packages to maintain and work with as it is. That's not to say that I don't power up Parallels a few times a week. It's just that I could never use it all day long.

    I even tried to do the full screen methodology, where you can switch between virtual desktops. Just doesn't fit my workflow I think. I have too many windows open for work related things.

    Knight

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  • From Doctor Who@VERT/THE5THD to Knight on Sunday, March 27, 2016 20:36:32
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Mar 14 2016 11:58 pm

    I really miss message packets. I really wish we could bring back offline QWK readers, specifically for OS X :)

    Knight

    Well, there is Multimail for QWK packets, but I don't know if it can be built for OSX. I know it supports Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD.

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  • From Doctor Who@VERT/THE5THD to Knight on Sunday, March 27, 2016 20:37:54
    Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Knight to Nightfox on Mon Mar 14 2016 11:59 pm

    We need to do this. Would be great to document the process so others can do it too who might be less technical.

    Knight

    I know at least a couple of people who use Telemate under DOSBox since DOSBox can create virtual comports/modems which can "dial out" over telnet.

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  • From Doctor Who@VERT/THE5THD to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 14:02:02
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Tue Mar 15 2016 10:07 am

    Agreed! Playing a game online is one thing - playing an online game with someone you've commicated with via the message board is another - and
    then MEETING that person face to face just sweetened it even MORE!

    I also agree. That's why I set up a Chocolate Doom server and a Mumble server on my BBS and announced it. I had hoped some people would be interested in playing some live, interactive games. But so far, no one has made use of those things.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@VERT/REALITY to Doctor Who on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:49:27
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Doctor Who to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Mar 29 2016 02:02 pm

    I also agree. That's why I set up a Chocolate Doom server and a Mumble server on my BBS and announced it. I had hoped some people would be interested in playing some live, interactive games. But so far, no one has made use of those things.

    I'd be interested in DOOM, been playing the nostalgia game trip for the past few weeks. Don't tell my wife, she bought me an Xbox One for christmas, and I'm playing 1990s games!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Doctor Who on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 19:08:00
    Doctor Who wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to KNIGHT on Tue Mar 15 2016 10:07 am

    Agreed! Playing a game online is one thing - playing an online game with someone you've commicated with via the message board is another - and
    then MEETING that person face to face just sweetened it even MORE!

    I also agree. That's why I set up a Chocolate Doom server and a Mumble server on my BBS and announced it. I had hoped some people would be interested in playing some live, interactive games. But so far, no one
    has made use of those things.


    I found the same thing with posters from some echos. :) I wasn't much of a gamer, only BBS game I ever played was BRE, and even then not seriously.


    ... Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.
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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Poindexter Fortran on Thursday, March 31, 2016 01:05:31
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Poindexter Fortran to Doctor Who on Tue Mar 29 2016 12:49 pm

    I'd be interested in DOOM, been playing the nostalgia game trip for the past few weeks. Don't tell my wife, she bought me an Xbox One for christmas, and I'm playing 1990s games!

    Haha!

    Knight

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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Knight on Saturday, March 19, 2016 20:38:00
    -=[ On 03-14-16 23:58, Knight wrote to Poindexter Fortran below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Telemate in DOSbox ]=-

    Hi Knight!

    I really miss message packets. I really wish we could bring back
    offline QWK readers, specifically for OS X :)
    There is one, mmail. :) Using it right now, however as for the text editor, I'm using BBEdit. In order to use it this way, I had to install the CLI tools that can be done through the application itself :)

    Cheers,

    Bryan
    Email: bhandfield(at)me(dot)com

    ... A good memory is one trained to forget the trivial.
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/HAVOK to DOCTOR WHO on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 08:22:00
    DOCTOR WHO wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I also agree. That's why I set up a Chocolate Doom server and a Mumble server on my BBS and announced it. I had hoped some people would be interested in playing some live, interactive games. But so far, no one
    has made use of those things.

    Ah - hate that - not my style games though, sorry...

    Good luck!


    ... Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp.
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/HAVOK to VK3JED on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 08:25:00
    VK3JED wrote to DOCTOR WHO <=-

    I found the same thing with posters from some echos. :) I wasn't much
    of a gamer, only BBS game I ever played was BRE, and even then not seriously.

    Years ago I tried BRE and liked it okay, until a reset was done.
    There was a user who stepped in and "TOLD" us who could attack
    whom. Really? Not my style to have someone tell me what I can
    and can't do.

    I'm the same way with Ingress. I have people try to tell me
    I'm playing it "wrong." I admit that when people get pissed
    at the way I play and do things I get a secret thrill out
    of it. <g>


    ... Knive don't kill people -- football players kill people.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Saturday, April 02, 2016 08:23:00
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    Years ago I tried BRE and liked it okay, until a reset was done.
    There was a user who stepped in and "TOLD" us who could attack
    whom. Really? Not my style to have someone tell me what I can
    and can't do.

    Yeah, that's gotta suck. :(

    I'm the same way with Ingress. I have people try to tell me
    I'm playing it "wrong." I admit that when people get pissed
    at the way I play and do things I get a secret thrill out
    of it. <g>

    I looked at Ingress. Interesting idea, but like a lot of games, doesn't quite grab me. At least Ingress does get you outside, one factor that could one day lead me to taking it up, though I personally prefer a more traditional form of sport for my outdoor recreation. I think because until you get your social connections established, you're on your own, which for me becomes a bit of a Catch-22.




    ... I know exactly what a sextet is... But I'd rather not say...
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to VK3JED on Monday, April 04, 2016 04:21:00
    VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I looked at Ingress. Interesting idea, but like a lot of games,
    doesn't quite grab me. At least Ingress does get you outside,

    True! Most of what I do is 'drive by' while I'm moving from school
    to school for the day job, or if I'm headed to a gig or something
    and have some time to kill...

    one
    factor that could one day lead me to taking it up, though I personally prefer a more traditional form of sport for my outdoor recreation. I think because until you get your social connections established, you're
    on your own, which for me becomes a bit of a Catch-22.

    Doesn't bother me. Some of the people I've "ticked off" have told me
    I'm not playing it as a team game and I should change the way I do it.
    I just ignore them. LOL

    When my wife was active in it that was all the 'team' I needed. :-D


    ... La Quinta is Spanish for "Next to Denny's."
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wednesday, April 06, 2016 08:48:00
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    VK3JED wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    I looked at Ingress. Interesting idea, but like a lot of games,
    doesn't quite grab me. At least Ingress does get you outside,

    True! Most of what I do is 'drive by' while I'm moving from school
    to school for the day job, or if I'm headed to a gig or something
    and have some time to kill...

    I could probably play it a bit in the next few months, as I will be doing a LOT of walking in preparation for a charity walk in June, but any gameplay would need to be done in the short window I have as I pass points of interest (at around 2 metres/second, those windows can be short! :) ).

    one
    factor that could one day lead me to taking it up, though I personally prefer a more traditional form of sport for my outdoor recreation. I think because until you get your social connections established, you're
    on your own, which for me becomes a bit of a Catch-22.

    Doesn't bother me. Some of the people I've "ticked off" have told me
    I'm not playing it as a team game and I should change the way I do it.
    I just ignore them. LOL

    For me, the connections I make are a lot of the reason I partake in a lot of activities, plus I also need some hands on guidance to "get" the gameplay (in technical terms, it's a part of "executive dysfunction"). For me, teamwork is an important survival strategy in life itself.

    When my wife was active in it that was all the 'team' I needed. :-D

    LOL fair enough! :)


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  • From Argelian@VERT/DMINE to Knight on Friday, April 01, 2016 15:36:00
    -=[ On 03-15-16 13:34, Knight wrote to Poindexter Fortran below: ]=-
    -=[ Re: Telemate in DOSbox ]=-

    Hi Knight!

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.
    MultiMail has various ports out there, one of which is MacOS. No emulator needed for it, I'm using it right now :)

    Cheers,

    Bryan
    Email: bhandfield(at)me(dot)com

    ... A bird in the hand's better than one overhead.
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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to ARGELIAN on Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:51:00

    On Apr 01, 2016 03:36pm, ARGELIAN wrote to KNIGHT:

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of
    emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.

    MultiMail has various ports out there, one of which is MacOS. No
    emulator needed for it, I'm using it right now :)

    I use MultiMail 0.50 on the Mac when I am using it for offline mail. Have the 0.50 binaries built from source here on my BBS in case anyone is interested.

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Vk3jed on Thursday, April 21, 2016 15:01:06
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Apr 06 2016 08:48 am

    (in technical terms, it's a part of "executive dysfunction"). For me, teamwork is an important survival strategy in life itself.

    It's funny you say this because it's one of my strongest values. I have really been about team building for most of my life. Partnerships, joint projects, corporate teams, collaborations, etc.

    But, that said, I find it to be one of the most difficult things to do as well. I find that most people are not very motivated (generally speaking) and getting them to participate beyond the early stages is incredibly difficult. Often I find that I'm the one that needs to find ways to motivate others, and it often ends up backfiring on me anyway.

    Suffice to say, I'm still learning the secrets to building good teams.

    Knight

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Knight on Friday, April 22, 2016 16:38:00
    Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Vk3jed to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Apr 06 2016 08:48 am

    (in technical terms, it's a part of "executive dysfunction"). For me, teamwork is an important survival strategy in life itself.

    It's funny you say this because it's one of my strongest values. I have really been about team building for most of my life. Partnerships,
    joint projects, corporate teams, collaborations, etc.

    Indeed, teams come up everywhere in life, and provide the opportunity to combine peoples' strengths.

    But, that said, I find it to be one of the most difficult things to do
    as well. I find that most people are not very motivated (generally speaking) and getting them to participate beyond the early stages is incredibly difficult. Often I find that I'm the one that needs to find ways to motivate others, and it often ends up backfiring on me anyway.

    Yes, you have to find those people who have deep motivations and commitment to the purpose for which you're building a team, then make it worth their while sticking around.

    Suffice to say, I'm still learning the secrets to building good teams.

    Join the club. The day we know it all is the day we lose touch with reality.
    )


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  • From Knight@VERT/PHUNC to Argelian on Friday, April 22, 2016 10:21:50
    Re: Re: Telemate in DOSbox
    By: Argelian to Knight on Fri Apr 01 2016 03:36 pm

    Hi Knight!

    I want a QWK/Bluewave messaging app for iOS/OSX, not a thick process of emulators, DOS, and juggling files around.
    MultiMail has various ports out there, one of which is MacOS. No emulator needed for it, I'm using it right now :)

    Thanks Bryan! Yeah, I do use MM on my Mac. Would be nice to have something with a native UI and portable compatibility though :)

    Knight

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