After 11 years and two months, SyncTERM 1.0 has been released.

You can download the release from SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

The nightly build version is now 1.1b, but I don't plan to do much development on it. I'm setting forth on a journey to add Unicode support and native font rendering for an upcoming 2.0 version.

Other features I'm considering for the next major version:
- 256, 1024, and 24-bit colour modes
- Client-side JavaScript
- Terminal emulation other than ANSI-BBS
- Batch upload
- ???

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

Thanks for the years of support. SyncTERM would be a much worse program today without all the users and their feedback.


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After 11 years and two months, SyncTERM 1.0 has been released.

You can download the release from SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

The nightly build version is now 1.1b, but I don't plan to do much development on it. I'm setting forth on a journey to add Unicode support and native font rendering for an upcoming 2.0 version.

Other features I'm considering for the next major version:
- 256, 1024, and 24-bit colour modes
- Client-side JavaScript
- Terminal emulation other than ANSI-BBS
- Batch upload
- ???

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I

can

imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

Thanks for the years of support. SyncTERM would be a much worse program today without all the users and their feedback.

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like the older version?

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And this is why I hate make. There is always some library I don't have or
can't get because my linux distro wont use it because it's out of date or not the way they think things should be...

make -C ../xpdev mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `mtlib'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev'
make -C ../conio mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio' Compiling ciolib.c
In file included from curs_cio.h:48:0,
from ciolib.c:64:
curs_fix.h:43:21: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory
#include <curses.h>
^
compilation terminated.
make[1]: *** [gcc.linux.x64.obj.debug-mt/ciolib.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio'
make: *** [ciolib-mt] Error 2

Just saying, pre-compiled binary files are less of a headache.
-Denny


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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to All on Wed Aug 05 2015 03:09:52

After 11 years and two months, SyncTERM 1.0 has been released.

You can download the release from SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

Cool - Thanks for the update. I've got it installed and running now.

Nightfox

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to All on Wed Aug 05 2015 03:09 am

After 11 years and two months, SyncTERM 1.0 has been released.

Awesome! I'm using it now.

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

A few things for whatever they're worth:

* Support for VT-52 and maybe the Atari ST character set?

* Support for dynamic screen resizing. If doorgame or BBS sends code, user's terminal resizes to higher text resolution.

* Some way to improve sound? I'm experimenting with making sound effects using ANSI Music, but it is a bit limited.

* I like the idea of client-side Javascript. I'd love to code a SyncTerm scraper so I could grab caches of ancient Fidonet messages, etc on different BBSes.

* Support for other games' front-ends beyond OOII? (Global War, The Pit, Metal Knights, etc)


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El 05/08/15 a las 10:26, Hylian escribió:

And this is why I hate make. There is always some library I don't have or can't get because my linux distro wont use it because it's out of date or not the way they think things should be...

make -C ../xpdev mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `mtlib'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev'
make -C ../conio mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio' Compiling ciolib.c
In file included from curs_cio.h:48:0,
from ciolib.c:64:
curs_fix.h:43:21: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory
#include <curses.h>
^
compilation terminated.
make[1]: *** [gcc.linux.x64.obj.debug-mt/ciolib.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio'
make: *** [ciolib-mt] Error 2

Just saying, pre-compiled binary files are less of a headache.
-Denny

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to All on Wed Aug 05 2015 04:09 am

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix a the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

I might be a bit ahead of you on the "break all the things" front. Some time ago, I did something to Syncterm settings that caused it to come up with ascii-like brackets and such rather than a readable screen. This is on a Vista machine. I tried everything I could think of including uninstalling, deleting the directories and reinstalling. Still no luck. I got around this by running the program as an administrator and it works fine.

I was hoping the 1.0 release would fix the problem but it did not. Apparently there are some artifacts of my messed up version lurking in the system somewhere.

Any ideas? I know this is not a place to discuss this but couldn't find a better one since it's not a sysop or synchronet issue.

Anyway, thanks for the excellent program It's one of the few I've found that does a decent job of displaying ansi.

Spencer

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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Hylian to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 06:12 am

I hate make with a passion, any chance for a simple executable binary file like the older version?

It's really not feasable anymore. Ideally, SyncTERM should be in the native package repository for your OS (though I haven't heard of any Linux distros doing so).

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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Hylian to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 06:26 am

Just saying, pre-compiled binary files are less of a headache.

For you, yes. For me, no.

You'll need the curses development headers to get past this bit.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Kirkman to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 11:04 am

* Support for VT-52 and maybe the Atari ST character set?

I am considering different terminal types. VT-52 would potentially be one of them (though later VT-102 derived stuff would be first).

How does the ST character set differ from the 8-bit one?

* Support for dynamic screen resizing. If doorgame or BBS sends code, user's terminal resizes to higher text resolution.

I've considered this, and it may be doable with native font usage. Up until now, it tends to resize the window, which I don't want to do during a session.

* Some way to improve sound? I'm experimenting with making sound effects using ANSI Music, but it is a bit limited.

Any specific ideas? I could expose the tone generator, but it wouldn't be much better. Some sort of sample pre-download/playback thing could be done, but it wouldn't be compatible with much else.

* I like the idea of client-side Javascript. I'd love to code a SyncTerm scraper so I could grab caches of ancient Fidonet messages, etc on different BBSes.

SyncTERM can already capture to a log file. Perhaps that would be enough?

* Support for other games' front-ends beyond OOII? (Global War, The Pit, Metal Knights, etc)

If I find documentation for them, I'll add them. The majority of them are not documented.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 02:19 pm

I might be a bit ahead of you on the "break all the things" front. Some time ago, I did something to Syncterm settings that caused it to come up with ascii-like brackets and such rather than a readable screen. This is on a Vista machine. I tried everything I could think of including uninstalling, deleting the directories and reinstalling. Still no luck. I got around this by running the program as an administrator and it works fine.

I was hoping the 1.0 release would fix the problem but it did not. Apparently there are some artifacts of my messed up version lurking in the system somewhere.

Any ideas? I know this is not a place to discuss this but couldn't find a better one since it's not a sysop or synchronet issue.

There should be a syncterm.ini file somewhere in your home directory. Send me a copy, then delete it and SyncTERM should go back to the defaults.

I'm curious what settings can mess it up... likely you've switched it to ANSI output mode. :-)

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 02:19 pm

Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to All on Wed Aug 05 2015 04:09 am

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix a the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

I might be a bit ahead of you on the "break all the things" front. Some time ago, I did something to Syncterm settings that caused it to come up with ascii-like brackets and such rather than a readable screen. This is on a Vista machine.

Try deleting or renaming your syncterm.ini file (to force a revert to default settings).

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to Kirkman on Wed Aug 05 2015 12:48 pm

I am considering different terminal types. VT-52 would potentially be one of them (though later VT-102 derived stuff would be first).
How does the ST character set differ from the 8-bit one?

They are totally distinct. The ST has different font styles depending on whether you're in low resolution, medium, or high. The ST character set includes many greek/latin characters like in DOS, but it also includes some surprises, like the entire Hebrew alphabet (Tramiel was Jewish), and four characters which together create an illustration of the head of "J. R. 'Bob' Dobbs".

You can see one sample of the characters here: http://jchrbe.pythonblogs.com/247_jchrbe/archive/1452_atari_st_charset.html

* Some way to improve sound? I'm experimenting with making sound
effects using ANSI Music, but it is a bit limited.

Any specific ideas? I could expose the tone generator, but it wouldn't be much better. Some sort of sample pre-download/playback thing could be done, but it wouldn't be compatible with much else.

I'm not very knowledgeable on the sound/music stuff, but it would be nice to have some way to make more Nintendo-like effects, rather than just pure tones. Like, something scractchy for footsteps, etc. Maybe this can already be done with existing ANSI Music codes, and I just need to learn how.

* I like the idea of client-side Javascript. I'd love to code a
SyncTerm scraper so I could grab caches of ancient Fidonet messages,
etc on different BBSes.

SyncTERM can already capture to a log file. Perhaps that would be enough?

Specifically I have in mind to write a proper scraper. I would write logic so the scraper could navigate the menus and messageboards of a particular BBS and read through every message on the system.

Client-side javascript would probably make that possible. I'm sure other folks could cook up tons of other great client uses.

* Support for other games' front-ends beyond OOII? (Global War, The
Pit, Metal Knights, etc)

If I find documentation for them, I'll add them. The majority of them are not documented.

Yeah, I know this is a bit of a pipe dream. But it'd be cool.

--Josh

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In a reply from Deuce on 03:09 about SyncTERM 1.0 release.

After 11 years and two months, SyncTERM 1.0 has been released.

You can download the release from SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

The nightly build version is now 1.1b, but I don't plan to do much development on it. I'm setting forth on a journey to add Unicode support and native font rendering for an upcoming 2.0 version.

Other features I'm considering for the next major version:
- 256, 1024, and 24-bit colour modes
- Client-side JavaScript
- Terminal emulation other than ANSI-BBS
- Batch upload
- ???

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

Thanks for the years of support. SyncTERM would be a much worse program today without all the users and their feedback.

got it this am, when I notice you did some work on it, just haven't put it in or put todate build date on it - was a bit busy

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El 05/08/15 a las 10:26, Hylian escribió:

And this is why I hate make. There is always some library I don't have or can't get because my linux distro wont use it because it's out of date or not the way they think things should be...

make -C ../xpdev mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `mtlib'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev'
make -C ../conio mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio' Compiling ciolib.c
In file included from curs_cio.h:48:0,
from ciolib.c:64:
curs_fix.h:43:21: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory
#include <curses.h>
^
compilation terminated.
make[1]: *** [gcc.linux.x64.obj.debug-mt/ciolib.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio' make: *** [ciolib-mt] Error 2

Just saying, pre-compiled binary files are less of a headache.
-Denny

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yeah, not going to touch anything curses or ncurses.

my distro has moved away from curses, and if i force install it i stand a good chance of breaking something i use. i've been down that road before. looks like it's either old syncterm or telnet for me. oh well.

-Denny
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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Hylian to Ragnarok on Wed Aug 05 2015 09:02 pm

El 05/08/15 a las 10:26, Hylian escribió:

And this is why I hate make. There is always some library I don't have or can't get because my linux distro wont use it because it's out of date or not the way they think things should be...

make -C ../xpdev mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `mtlib'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/xpdev' make -C ../conio mtlib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio' Compiling ciolib.c
In file included from curs_cio.h:48:0,
from ciolib.c:64:
curs_fix.h:43:21: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory
#include <curses.h>
^
compilation terminated.
make[1]: *** [gcc.linux.x64.obj.debug-mt/ciolib.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/denny/Downloads/syncterm/src/conio' make: *** [ciolib-mt] Error 2

Just saying, pre-compiled binary files are less of a headache.
-Denny

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yeah, not going to touch anything curses or ncurses.

my distro has moved away from curses, and if i force install it i stand a good chance of breaking something i use. i've been down that road before. looks like it's either old syncterm or telnet for me. oh well.

What distro is that? Installing an libncurses-dev package (or equivalent) is usually all that is needed.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to Tempo Rubato on Wed Aug 05 2015 01:50 pm

There should be a syncterm.ini file somewhere in your home directory. Send a copy, then delete it and SyncTERM should go back to the defaults.

I'm curious what settings can mess it up... likely you've switched it to ANS output mode. :-)

Thank you. That worked, but the original .ini looks the same as the restored one. Here's the content of the deleted .ini file:

[SyncTERM]
ScalingFactor =2
ScreenMode =80x25
OutputMode =ANSI
ConfirmClose =false
SortOrder =5,1

It was hard to find. I had to search the entire drive including hidden and sys tem files.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to All on Wed Aug 05 2015 03:09 am

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

How about a screenshot function? (save current screen to png, etc..)

Also, any thought to moving off of sourceforge after their recent scandal?

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to All on Wed Aug 05 2015 03:09 am

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of "fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

How about a screenshot function? (save current screen to png, etc..)

Also, any thought to moving off of sourceforge after their recent scandal?

|01-|03nolageek

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Wow, didn't even know about the whole sourceforge/GIMP scandal until you mentioned it.

Thanks for the heads up!
-Denny
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Also, any thought to moving off of sourceforge after their recent scandal?

|01-|03nolageek

Wow, didn't even know about the whole sourceforge/GIMP scandal until you mentioned it.

I didn't know about it either. Interesting.. I've seen a lot of projects on GitHub lately - I know that a lot of people tend to like Git, but I suppose
the SourceForge scandal is another reason I've been seeing a lot of projects
on GitHub rather than SourceForge.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Kirkman to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 07:21 pm

How does the ST character set differ from the 8-bit one?

They are totally distinct. The ST has different font styles depending on whether you're in low resolution, medium, or high. The ST character set includes many greek/latin characters like in DOS, but it also includes some surprises, like the entire Hebrew alphabet (Tramiel was Jewish), and four characters which together create an illustration of the head of "J. R. 'Bob' Dobbs".

Are there people who use (or want to use) the ST character set for things other than ST emulators today? C64 and Atari 8-bit were added because there are public systems availablle that use them.

If it's all available as UTF-8 (I suspect the head characters aren't at least), it will be trivial. If not, it should be doable assuming that ANSI is still used rather than the C64/Atari way of extra control chars.

I'm not very knowledgeable on the sound/music stuff, but it would be nice to have some way to make more Nintendo-like effects, rather than just pure tones. Like, something scractchy for footsteps, etc. Maybe this can already be done with existing ANSI Music codes, and I just need to learn how.

Yeah, a sample playback thing. It's on the list.

Specifically I have in mind to write a proper scraper. I would write logic so the scraper could navigate the menus and messageboards of a particular BBS and read through every message on the system.

Yeah, client-side JS could do this assuming I give it local file access... I'll keep this use-case in mind. I do plan to allow client-side JS provided by the server (like used in web pages), so this might require two difference security zones... one for user-provided scripts and a different one for server provided ones.


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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Hylian to Ragnarok on Wed Aug 05 2015 09:02 pm

my distro has moved away from curses, and if i force install it i stand a good chance of breaking something i use. i've been down that road before. looks like it's either old syncterm or telnet for me. oh well.

What distro do you run? I don't see how any distro could get by without a curses API. The pre-built binaries have always required a curses library, so if you don't have curses, you've never been able to run SyncTERM.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Deuce on Thu Aug 06 2015 07:39 am

Thank you. That worked, but the original .ini looks the same as the restored one. Here's the content of the deleted .ini file:

OutputMode =ANSI

This is the line that caused the problem.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: nolageek to Deuce on Thu Aug 06 2015 10:12 am

How about a screenshot function? (save current screen to png, etc..)

What OS doesn't have a screenshot function?

Also, any thought to moving off of sourceforge after their recent scandal?

I've thought about it, but I haven't seen anything better show up yet.

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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Hylian to Ragnarok on Wed Aug 05 2015 09:02 pm

my distro has moved away from curses, and if i force install it i stand a good chance of breaking something i use. i've been down that road before. looks like it's either old syncterm or telnet for me. oh well.

the older version of syncterm is just fine, also there's other linux clients you can choose from.
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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Hylian to nolageek on Thu Aug 06 2015 03:18 pm

Wow, didn't even know about the whole sourceforge/GIMP scandal until you mentioned it.

Thanks for the heads up!

sourceforge said the accounts were abandoned, which i believe. they should have just disabled the projets, but in their own interests they had their staff take over some projects and update them.

also i remember that software bundling shit that SF started to do, they said it was only when some projects agreed to doing this.

it was a bad judgement call to use the software bundling with these projects that SF took over.

personally i dislike using sourceforge as i put some projects up there, but it gets good google exposure and the users can find the projects easily.
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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to nolageek on Thu Aug 06 2015 05:58 pm

How about a screenshot function? (save current screen to png, etc..)

What OS doesn't have a screenshot function?

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to nolageek on Thu Aug 06 2015 05:58 pm

How about a screenshot function? (save current screen to png, etc..)

What OS doesn't have a screenshot function?

Well, many do, but then you have to open a graphic program paste, crop, etc.. Not vital, just spitballing some ideas. :)

Another thing I'd like is F keys for inserting new entries. Some keyboards (the smaller ones) don't have an insert key (it blows my mind too) and I have to find a board i dont call and replace all info with the new board.

Again, spitballin' :)

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: nolageek to Deuce on Thu Aug 06 2015 11:43 pm

Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to nolageek on Thu Aug 06 2015 05:58 pm

How about a screenshot function? (save current screen to png, etc..)

What OS doesn't have a screenshot function?

Well, many do, but then you have to open a graphic program paste, crop, etc.. Not vital, just spitballing some ideas. :)

Another thing I'd like is F keys for inserting new entries. Some keyboards (the smaller ones) don't have an insert key (it blows my mind too) and I have to find a board i dont call and replace all info with the new board.

The '+' and '-' keys also work for adding and removing BBS entries.

Some other key equivalents (for limited keyboards):
Backspace = ESC
Ctrl-B = Home
Ctrl-E = End
Ctrl-U = PgUp
Ctrl-D = PgDn
Ctrl-Z = Help (F1)
Ctrl-C = Copy (F5)
Ctrl-V = Paste (F6)

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to Tempo Rubato on Thu Aug 06 2015 06:57 pm

Thank you. That worked, but the original .ini looks the same as the restored one. Here's the content of the deleted .ini file:

OutputMode =ANSI

This is the line that caused the problem.

Yes, I realize that now. The correct .ini had many lines. I'm pretty sure I messed this up myself as I thought "ANSI" would be the correct choice.

Thanks,

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Digital Man to nolageek on Fri Aug 07 2015 12:19 am

Some other key equivalents (for limited keyboards):
Backspace = ESC
Ctrl-B = Home
Ctrl-E = End
Ctrl-U = PgUp
Ctrl-D = PgDn
Ctrl-Z = Help (F1)
Ctrl-C = Copy (F5)
Ctrl-V = Paste (F6)

My laptop doesn't have any way to control the cursor. I've tried everything I could think of including the old Wordstar cursor controls but it just doesn't work. I started traveling with a separate keyboard just so I can play Scrabble on the BBS.

It would be nice if there were a way to move the cursor around on my newest laptop (the older ones had keys that would work).

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Digital Man to nolageek on Thu Aug 06 2015 11:19 pm

The '+' and '-' keys also work for adding and removing BBS entries.

Wow! :) Thanks!

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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Mro to Hylian on Thu Aug 06 2015 10:14 pm

my distro has moved away from curses, and if i force install it i stand a good chance of breaking something i use. i've been down that road before. looks like it's either old syncterm or telnet for me. oh well.

the older version of syncterm is just fine, also there's other linux clients you can choose from.

The older version of SyncTERM uses curses to. Every version of SyncTERM ever has used curses.

But yes, there are other clients.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: nolageek to Deuce on Thu Aug 06 2015 11:43 pm

Well, many do, but then you have to open a graphic program paste, crop, etc.. Not vital, just spitballing some ideas. :)

Yeah, it would be easy enough to generate a raw bitmap when using a graphics mode, but generating a real graphic file would mean SyncTERM would need to grow the ability to write a graphic file just for that feature, and supporting it in console and curses modes would mean adding bitmap capability to the text modes.

Another thing I'd like is F keys for inserting new entries. Some keyboards (the smaller ones) don't have an insert key (it blows my mind too) and I have to find a board i dont call and replace all info with the new board.

You can edit the blank entry at the end to insert an item... ie: <END> <ENTER> will insert.

Changing how the menus work would mean changing how scfg, echocfg, etc work as well. Something I'm a bit hesitant to do.


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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Digital Man on Fri Aug 07 2015 08:15 am

My laptop doesn't have any way to control the cursor. I've tried everything I could think of including the old Wordstar cursor controls but it just doesn't work. I started traveling with a separate keyboard just so I can play Scrabble on the BBS.

What model is it? I don't think I've seen a laptop that doesn't at least have Fn-X keys for arrows.

You *can* use the mouse with SyncTERM though... which doesn't help with Scrabble of course.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to Tempo Rubato on Fri Aug 07 2015 01:02 pm

What model is it? I don't think I've seen a laptop that doesn't at least ha Fn-X keys for arrows.

You *can* use the mouse with SyncTERM though... which doesn't help with Scrabble of course.

It's a Dell 14z. I've had probably about ten laptops over the years, most of them Dell, and this is the first one that didn't have Fn+arrow key implementation. Here's a picture of one similar to mine: http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/00002601c/edd1/IMG-0005-1.jpg

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Digital Man on Fri Aug 07 2015 08:15 am

it just doesn't work. I started traveling with a separate keyboard just so I can play Scrabble on the BBS.

It would be nice if there were a way to move the cursor around on my newest laptop (the older ones had keys that would work).

get a third party program that remaps keys or has an onscreen keyboard.
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On 08/05/15, Deuce said the following...

After 11 years and two months, SyncTERM 1.0 has been released.

You can download the release from SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

The nightly build version is now 1.1b, but I don't plan to do much development on it. I'm setting forth on a journey to add Unicode
support and native font rendering for an upcoming 2.0 version.

Other features I'm considering for the next major version:
- 256, 1024, and 24-bit colour modes
- Client-side JavaScript
- Terminal emulation other than ANSI-BBS
- Batch upload
- ???

Now is the time to get your feature requests in. I'm shifting out of
"fix all the bugs" mode and into "break all the things". If it's a feature I can imagine being useful for a BBS connection, I'll give it consideration.

Thanks for the years of support. SyncTERM would be a much worse program today without all the users and their feedback.

I downloaded the source and compiled it on my ODROID XU3-Lite (armhf) box.
It took about 5 minutes to compile and there were no errors. I'm using it
now when I write this.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Kirkman to Deuce on Wed Aug 05 2015 07:21 pm

How does the ST character set differ from the 8-bit one?

They are totally distinct. The ST has different font styles depending on whether you're in low resolution, medium, or high. The ST character set includes many greek/latin characters like in DOS, but it also includes some surprises, like the entire Hebrew alphabet (Tramiel was Jewish), and four characters which together create an illustration of the head of "J. R. 'Bob'
Dobbs".

Are there people who use (or want to use) the ST character set for things other
than ST emulators today? C64 and Atari 8-bit were added because there are public systems availablle that use them.

Yes, there are several active Atari ST BBSes. Here are a few:

darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org
bbs.sfhqbbs.org
bbs.skeleton.org

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Deuce on Fri Aug 07 2015 03:48 pm

It's a Dell 14z. I've had probably about ten laptops over the years, most of them Dell, and this is the first one that didn't have Fn+arrow key implementation. Here's a picture of one similar to mine: http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/00002601c/edd1/IMG-0005-1.jpg

Bad choice of picture... that one seems to have dedicated arrow keys in the bottom right. :-)

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Re: Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Gryphon to Deuce on Fri Aug 07 2015 07:50 pm

I downloaded the source and compiled it on my ODROID XU3-Lite (armhf) box. It took about 5 minutes to compile and there were no errors. I'm using it now when I write this.

Cool!

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Kirkman to Deuce on Fri Aug 07 2015 10:38 pm

Are there people who use (or want to use) the ST character set for things other
than ST emulators today? C64 and Atari 8-bit were added because there are public systems availablle that use them.

Yes, there are several active Atari ST BBSes. Here are a few:

darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org
bbs.sfhqbbs.org
bbs.skeleton.org

Cool, thanks. This has made ST emulation much more likely. :-)

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Mro to Tempo Rubato on Fri Aug 07 2015 06:28 pm

get a third party program that remaps keys or has an onscreen keyboard.

That's a good idea, but I tried it a while ago and that didn't work. If I could figure out how to send Esc A, B , C etc, maybe that would work. Unfortunately the Esc key doesn't send Ascii 27. LeftAlt+Left Shft+NumLock might work except I don't have a Numlock. Besides, it probably wouldn't work within Scrabble anyway.

I wonder if there's a way to get ANSI.SYS to work with Win 10.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Deuce to Tempo Rubato on Sat Aug 08 2015 04:52 am

Bad choice of picture... that one seems to have dedicated arrow keys in the bottom right. :-)

It was the best picture I could find. It does have cursor keys but they don't work within Scrabble. They do wonderful things like toggle color and emulate <Enter>. When not in Scrabble they don't do what you'd expect in Syncterm either (or any other terminal program for that matter). 'Tis a puzzlement.

Thanks for the reply,

Spencer

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Just saying, pre-compiled binary files are less of a headache.

Here is v1.1b (should be about the same as 1.0 due to time it was grabbed) for Linux x86_64 compiled with Clang 3.6. I've been using it for a few days now and it seems to work great: http://l33t.codes/outgoing/syncterm1.1b

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Mro on Sat Aug 08 2015 07:36 am

Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Mro to Tempo Rubato on Fri Aug 07 2015 06:28 pm

get a third party program that remaps keys or has an onscreen keyboard.

That's a good idea, but I tried it a while ago and that didn't work. If I could figure out how to send Esc A, B , C etc, maybe that would work. Unfortunately the Esc key doesn't send Ascii 27. LeftAlt+Left Shft+NumLock might work except I don't have a Numlock. Besides, it probably wouldn't work within Scrabble anyway.

if you get a 3rd party program that remaps the keyboard keys, that WILL work. done it before a lot.
i even had someone do it who had a broken key on an old laptop and she still wanted to continue using it.
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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Mro to Tempo Rubato on Sat Aug 08 2015 06:16 pm

if you get a 3rd party program that remaps the keyboard keys, that WILL work done it before a lot.
i even had someone do it who had a broken key on an old laptop and she still wanted to continue using it.

I'll see if I can find one. Thanks again for the suggestion.

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Re: SyncTERM 1.0 release.
By: Tempo Rubato to Deuce on Sat Aug 08 2015 07:53 am

Bad choice of picture... that one seems to have dedicated arrow keys in the bottom right. :-)

It was the best picture I could find. It does have cursor keys but they don't work within Scrabble. They do wonderful things like toggle color and emulate <Enter>. When not in Scrabble they don't do what you'd expect in Syncterm either (or any other terminal program for that matter). 'Tis a puzzlement.

Weird... I wonder what the scan codes are.

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