• Blu Ray vs Digital

    From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Thursday, October 10, 2019 06:31:56
    Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:19:52
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am

    Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?

    By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.

    But yes, I think there is still a market for them. I still buy movies on blu-ray sometimes, as I still like having a disc with easy chapter navigation and extras. And having the disc also means you don't have to stream it, which can have its own issues.

    Also, more movies are becoming available on 4K blu-ray. Naturally, 4K takes more bandwidth to stream than 1080p resolution, so I think it can be good to have 4K on disc too.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, October 10, 2019 13:23:57
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am

    By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.

    But yes, I think there is still a market for them. I still buy movies on blu-ray sometimes, as I still like having a disc with easy chapter navigation and extras. And having the disc also means you don't have to stream it, which can have its own issues.

    Also, more movies are becoming available on 4K blu-ray. Naturally, 4K takes more bandwidth to stream than 1080p resolution, so I think it can be good to have 4K on disc too.

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    But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk and download them instead.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to The Millionaire on Thursday, October 10, 2019 18:20:00
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am

    Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?

    $ The Millionaire $


    Some people are collectors and like the physical media. It works regardless
    if you have internet.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thursday, October 10, 2019 15:37:39
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 2019 01:23 pm

    But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk and download them instead.

    You can also buy them online, so you still don't have to leave your house to buy them.

    Is your question about buying movies vs. downloading them for free? This is another example where I think your question could have been clearer.
    The industry has always been worried about too much piracy, but people continued to buy movies on blu-ray, DVD, etc. I think plenty of people have been willing to pay money for them. It seems in recent years though, there has been a significant reduction in people buying movies or even renting movies on discs. A lot of people these days seem content with streaming services such as Netflix and others. A portion of people do download movies for free too, but that has been the case for a long time.

    Also, I always thought "digital" was a strange term for streaming or a media file. Formats like blu-ray and DVD are digital.. The first time I saw a DVD in a store that said "digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a digital format..

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Thursday, October 10, 2019 19:18:57
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 2019 01:23 pm

    You can also buy them online, so you still don't have to leave your house to buy them.

    Is your question about buying movies vs. downloading them for free? This is another example where I think your question could have been clearer.
    The industry has always been worried about too much piracy, but people continued to buy movies on blu-ray, DVD, etc. I think plenty of people have been willing to pay money for them. It seems in recent years though, there has been a significant reduction in people buying movies or even renting movies on discs. A lot of people these days seem content with streaming services such as Netflix and others. A portion of people do download movies for free too, but that has been the case for a long time.

    Also, I always thought "digital" was a strange term for streaming or a media file. Formats like blu-ray and DVD are digital.. The first time I saw a DVD in a store that said "digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a digital format..

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    I'm talking about buying movies and downloading them off the internet. But as of next year, there will be a lot more movie companies going streaming. But will we be able to afford them all they say?

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to The Millionaire on Friday, October 11, 2019 00:19:00
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 2019 01:23 pm


    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am

    By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.

    But yes, I think there is still a market for them. I still buy movies on blu-ray sometimes, as I still like having a disc with easy chapter navigat and extras. And having the disc also means you don't have to stream it, which can have its own issues.

    Also, more movies are becoming available on 4K blu-ray. Naturally, 4K tak more bandwidth to stream than 1080p resolution, so I think it can be good have 4K on disc too.

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    But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk a download them instead.

    $ The Millionaire $


    Isn't that what Amazon Prime accounts are all about? Sitting in front of the pc ordering stuff rather than going to a store?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Friday, October 11, 2019 20:57:00
    On 10-10-19 10:19, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

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    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am

    Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?

    By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.

    I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where
    ossible.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Friday, October 11, 2019 21:03:00
    On 10-10-19 13:23, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not
    travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of
    coffee on their desk and download them instead.

    Having them available (legally) in multiple formats is a good thing. I prefer either physical media or a downloadable file. The exceptionm is for streaming services where I'm paying to access a range of content (e.g. Netflix), rather than a single movie.

    But even the streaming services are becoming less appealing as every studio sets up its own streaming outfit, making that an expensive and unattractive option in the long run. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Friday, October 11, 2019 21:08:00
    On 10-10-19 19:18, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I'm talking about buying movies and downloading them off the internet.
    But as of next year, there will be a lot more movie companies going streaming. But will we be able to afford them all they say?

    That's what concerns me. A few years back, Netflix was quite attractive, because there were few services of this kind, and Netflix were attracting a lot of good series. But now there's a whole range of services popping up, and one has to pau n x ($/month) to get the same result (n is rapidly increasing with time, as new services come online).

    I have a feeling that the industry is cutting its own throat again, and the incentive for people to illegally download will increase as the number of competing streaming services increases, because of the cost.


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Vk3jed on Friday, October 11, 2019 04:50:06
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:57 pm

    I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.


    Same here.

    Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are not buying it, but just renting it.

    I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Friday, October 11, 2019 09:43:36
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 2019 07:18 pm

    I'm talking about buying movies and downloading them off the internet. But as of next year, there will be a lot more movie companies going streaming. But will we be able to afford them all they say?

    Buying and streaming both have their pros and cons. For movies I really like, I like to buy them so I can watch them whenever I want and not have to worry about streaming issues or paying for a streaming service.

    It seems not many people are buying movies and music anymore, and I've heard a lot of people these days like to stream movies and music. If people are willing to pay for streaming but not for buying the content, then I suppose the companies providing the content will go where the money is.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, October 11, 2019 09:45:17
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:57 pm

    I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.

    I do too. Streaming services can be unreliable sometimes. I think the video and audio quality on a disc tends to be better than streaming too (though it can be hard to tell the difference). And for something like 4K content, the requirements for streaming are even higher due to the higher resolution.

    I also like watching the extra content available on blu-ray sometimes.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, October 11, 2019 10:03:34
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 2019 09:03 pm

    But even the streaming services are becoming less appealing as every studio sets up its own streaming outfit, making that an expensive and unattractive option in the long run. :(

    That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper, but it seems that's not quite the case. To watch all the shows I'd want to watch, I'd have to subscribe to multiple streaming services, and the cost savings isn't quite what I hoped it would be.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Friday, October 11, 2019 13:47:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 2019 09:03 pm

    On 10-10-19 13:23, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk and download them instead.

    Having them available (legally) in multiple formats is a good thing. I pref either physical media or a downloadable file. The exceptionm is for streami services where I'm paying to access a range of content (e.g. Netflix), rathe than a single movie.

    But even the streaming services are becoming less appealing as every studio sets up its own streaming outfit, making that an expensive and unattractive option in the long run. :(


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    Granted, there are some films I watched, and once was enough. In those situations I feel streaming has an advantage. It's like renting a movie, and not having to return it afterwards.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Moondog on Friday, October 11, 2019 19:53:00
    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Moondog to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 2019 18:20:00

    Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am

    Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?

    $ The Millionaire $


    Some people are collectors and like the physical media. It works regardless if you have internet.

    Not to mention that by downloading you don't generally get all the special features. That's the main reason I buy the disks. I'll download a movie, then if I like it I'll go buy the disk so I'll have it in my library and get all the bonus material they add in.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Saturday, October 12, 2019 20:49:00
    On 10-11-19 04:50, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
    Same here.

    Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are
    not buying it, but just renting it.

    I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.

    I think you mean online/downloadable. DVD and BD are digital, last time I checked. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, October 12, 2019 20:51:00
    On 10-11-19 09:45, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.

    I do too. Streaming services can be unreliable sometimes. I think the video and audio quality on a disc tends to be better than streaming too (though it can be hard to tell the difference). And for something like
    4K content, the requirements for streaming are even higher due to the higher resolution.

    I also like watching the extra content available on blu-ray sometimes.

    Yes, those are all reasons I'd prefer to pay for the disk, though for me 4k is a moot point. Still running on 1080p here.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Saturday, October 12, 2019 20:52:00
    On 10-11-19 10:03, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things
    I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending
    $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch
    some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper,
    but it seems that's not quite the case. To watch all the shows I'd
    want to watch, I'd have to subscribe to multiple streaming services,
    and the cost savings isn't quite what I hoped it would be.

    Yep, exactly.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Saturday, October 12, 2019 20:53:00
    On 10-11-19 13:47, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Granted, there are some films I watched, and once was enough. In those situations I feel streaming has an advantage. It's like renting a
    movie, and not having to return it afterwards.

    True, but the way the streaming services are being setup is like going to a different library to rent movies from different studios - AND having to pay a monthly fee to be a member of each library!


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Saturday, October 12, 2019 08:42:03
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 2019 10:03 am

    That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper, but it seems that's

    Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:42:49
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:42 am

    That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things
    I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending
    $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch
    some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper,
    but it seems that's

    Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.

    I haven't. But what's different about Hulu, vs. Netflix, Amazon Prime, CBS All Access, and the others?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Saturday, October 12, 2019 17:07:42
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:42 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 2019 10:03 am

    That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending $6/month or on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper, but it seems that's

    Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.


    hulu is decent and cheap. there's also sling tv which costs 25-30.
    plutotv is free.

    download is free :D

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Saturday, October 12, 2019 19:36:36
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 12:42 pm

    spending $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me

    Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.

    I haven't. But what's different about Hulu, vs. Netflix, Amazon Prime, CBS All Access, and the others?

    You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you like but maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's not for you. I just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming service I could find for the $6.00 price you were looking for. Hulu has a lot of national geo graphic and discovery channel shows that I enjoy.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05:00
    On 10-12-19 17:07, MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

    download is free :D

    With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Saturday, October 12, 2019 19:24:52
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:36 pm

    You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you like b maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's not for you. just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming service I could fi


    the ads arent really that bad.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Saturday, October 12, 2019 20:43:30
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Oct 13 2019 11:05 am

    On 10-12-19 17:07, MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

    download is free :D

    With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    too many players in the game

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Saturday, October 12, 2019 23:21:30
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:24 pm

    You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you
    like b maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's

    the ads arent really that bad.

    No they aren't. I use an adblocker so I don't see them. I just see a blank screen for whatever time the ad runs. Hulu runs damn good on the crapy wifi I use too.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Saturday, October 12, 2019 20:58:08
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:36 pm

    You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you like but maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's not for

    If that's ad-supported, then what are you paying for?

    you. I just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming service I could find for the $6.00 price you were looking for. Hulu has a lot of

    I don't think I said I was looking for a price of $6.00 or less? I'm not really looking for another streaming service anyway.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Saturday, October 12, 2019 21:43:47
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:49 pm

    Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you

    I think you mean online/downloadable. DVD and BD are digital, last time I checked. ;)

    People seem to use the term "digital" to mean online/downloadable. I don't like that use of the term though..

    The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said "Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a digital format..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Saturday, October 12, 2019 21:44:53
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:24 pm

    You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you
    like b maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's
    not for you. just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming
    service I could fi

    the ads arent really that bad.

    If it has ads, then I'm wondering what the $5.99 subscription fee is paying for.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Saturday, October 12, 2019 21:45:30
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:43 pm

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    too many players in the game

    Yeah, I'd like it if there was some consolidation of streaming services so you could be able to stream anything that's available for one fee.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Saturday, October 12, 2019 21:46:34
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: HusTler to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 11:21 pm

    No they aren't. I use an adblocker so I don't see them. I just see a blank screen for whatever time the ad runs. Hulu runs damn good on the crapy wifi I use too.

    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, October 13, 2019 01:08:33
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:44 pm

    the ads arent really that bad.

    If it has ads, then I'm wondering what the $5.99 subscription fee is paying for.


    well, the content is decent. maybe the ads dont entirely pay the bills. sling.tv has ads, also.


    anyways, with hulu the ads arent that frequent.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to MRO on Saturday, October 12, 2019 22:01:12
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 2019 20:43:30

    With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    too many players in the game

    Well with the price of Cable/Satelite constantly going up, it will probably end being cheaper just to get subscriptions to the streaming service of the channels you actually watch, rather than paying for a whole bunch of channels you never watch.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Lupine Furmen on Sunday, October 13, 2019 07:50:00
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    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 2019 20:43:30

    With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    too many players in the game

    Well with the price of Cable/Satelite constantly going up, it
    will probably end being cheaper just to get subscriptions to the
    streaming service of the channels you actually watch, rather than
    paying for a whole bunch of channels you never watch.

    Maybe, but it hasn't reached that point yet.

    There are other issues with streaming as well, that some people
    forget about:
    1. Is your cable connection fast enough?
    2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
    (very relevant to the first item on the list).
    3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
    on the list).
    4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
    Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?
    5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
    the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
    and is it really cheaper than cable?

    I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
    (vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
    end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
    paying more than I should for cable. So I continue on with the
    cable, and I look at it like a "necessary evil", similar to having
    to pump gasoline into the car if I want to use it.



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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sunday, October 13, 2019 09:23:42
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:43:47


    The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said "Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a digital format..

    they probably meant that there was a section of the disk set aside as a data partition and there was a file on there of the movie that you could copy to another machine to watch from instead of having to play from the disk... think analogue audio CD and the difference between them and wav or mp3 files, for instance...

    i also have a game or three around here that has an audio partition on them... i can play the game on PC or use an audio player to listen to the audio tracks but not at the same time... i can also take the disk and put it in an analogue audio only CD player and listen to those audio tracks...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sunday, October 13, 2019 09:25:45
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:46:34


    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy? ;)

    one can also set up a hosts file or use their local DNS server to block/filter those advertising domains... even to redirect to your own server and replace the content with what you prefer in those spots...


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Sunday, October 13, 2019 07:09:46
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:46 pm

    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    I just run a LAN level ad blocker so most ads are blocked before they hit any device at home.

    Setting it up is a bit involved. I am working on an article about it.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Sunday, October 13, 2019 07:27:34
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Lupine Furmen on Sun Oct 13 2019 07:50 am

    I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
    (vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
    end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
    paying more than I should for cable.

    I think an important point is to look at what you *want* versus what you get with cable. There's so much bundled in that you can be swayed by the quantity of what's on there.

    I pay way too much, and just recently they took Cinemax off. Well, they didn't take it off, they left the channels on and prompt me to subscribe to another service. They've added another second-run on-demand service called Flex.

    We could get away nicely with basic cable (which has a ton of on-demand stuff) and a subscription service or two. Then, you have to add in the boxes needed to get digital service and the cost starts creeping up again.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:51:10
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:25 am

    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work
    with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy? ;)

    I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to look that up a bit and see if that would work for watching on a smart TV.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Sunday, October 13, 2019 12:19:35
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:23 am

    The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said
    "Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is,
    DVD is a digital format..

    they probably meant that there was a section of the disk set aside as a data partition and there was a file on there of the movie that you could copy to another machine to watch from instead of having to play from the disk... think analogue audio CD and the difference between them and wav or mp3 files, for instance...

    I think the way it usually works is they give you a code you can use online to download the movie in a video file.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Sunday, October 13, 2019 14:47:58
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:25 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:46:34


    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work wit the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy? ;)

    one can also set up a hosts file or use their local DNS server to block/filt those advertising domains... even to redirect to your own server and replace the content with what you prefer in those spots...



    hulu doesnt like that shit. when i was doing it , it would just say there was an error playing the ad and the show wouldnt play.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sunday, October 13, 2019 02:24:00
    On 10/13/2019 7:27 AM, POINDEXTER FORTRAN wrote to GAMGEE:


    We could get away nicely with basic cable (which has a ton of on-demand stuff) and a
    subscription service or two. Then, you have to add in the boxes needed to get digital
    service and the cost starts creeping up again.

    Spectrum has held me by the balls because they have the Dodgers television rights. If they
    did not have the rights I would of done like Playstation TV or something equivalent.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Monday, October 14, 2019 10:02:00
    On 10-12-19 20:43, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup their own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensing to Netflix.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Monday, October 14, 2019 10:05:00
    On 10-12-19 21:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    People seem to use the term "digital" to mean online/downloadable. I don't like that use of the term though..

    Neither do I, it ranks up with "mb" - a 20mb HDD would be useless - 20 millibits, 1/50 of a bit! And a 100 mbps connection is slower than any modem, it would take a full 10 seconds to transmit a single bit of information. :D

    The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said "Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a
    digital format..

    I worked out what they meant, but still, it's really poor use of terminology.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Monday, October 14, 2019 10:37:00
    On 10-12-19 21:45, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    Yeah, I'd like it if there was some consolidation of streaming services
    so you could be able to stream anything that's available for one fee.

    Me too. Netflix looked like being that until all the "me toos" started. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Monday, October 14, 2019 10:43:00
    On 10-13-19 07:50, Gamgee wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-

    Maybe, but it hasn't reached that point yet.

    For me it's a different calculation.

    There are other issues with streaming as well, that some people
    forget about:
    1. Is your cable connection fast enough?

    I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough (approx 90/35Mbps in practice)

    2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
    (very relevant to the first item on the list).

    Generally only 1.

    3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
    on the list).

    Irrelevant, streams will almost always be done over wired Ethernet.

    4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
    Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?

    I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx 2.5TB).

    5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
    the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
    and is it really cheaper than cable?

    And that's the killer, especially since I had already rejected cable/satellite on the grounds of lack of value proposition.

    I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
    (vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
    end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
    paying more than I should for cable. So I continue on with the
    cable, and I look at it like a "necessary evil", similar to having
    to pump gasoline into the car if I want to use it.

    I did subscribe to Netflix, but that's not as valuable as it used to be. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Monday, October 14, 2019 10:44:00
    On 10-13-19 07:09, Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:46 pm

    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    I just run a LAN level ad blocker so most ads are blocked before they
    hit any device at home.

    Setting it up is a bit involved. I am working on an article about it.

    How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that demand you turn your ad blocker off?


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Sunday, October 13, 2019 21:14:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-

    There are other issues with streaming as well, that some people
    forget about:
    1. Is your cable connection fast enough?

    I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
    (approx 90/35Mbps in practice)

    To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
    light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
    doing it simultaneously, it might not be.

    2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
    (very relevant to the first item on the list).

    Generally only 1.

    That helps, certainly. In my household that would be very
    unusual.

    3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
    on the list).

    Irrelevant, streams will almost always be done over wired
    Ethernet.

    Good idea, mostly true here too but not always, especially when
    the (grown) kids are visiting.

    4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
    Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?

    I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx
    2.5TB).

    That is outstanding. I have a 1 TB/mo limit, with more costing
    extra. I believe it's fairly unusual to have unlimited here in
    the USA.

    5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
    the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
    and is it really cheaper than cable?

    And that's the killer, especially since I had already rejected cable/satellite on the grounds of lack of value proposition.

    Yes. In my case the costs were almost the same as cable, with
    less channels available (that I want), and other limitations as
    described above.

    I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
    (vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
    end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
    paying more than I should for cable. So I continue on with the
    cable, and I look at it like a "necessary evil", similar to having
    to pump gasoline into the car if I want to use it.

    I did subscribe to Netflix, but that's not as valuable as it used
    to be. :(

    I also have Netflix in addition to cable, and find it to be an
    excellent value.

    To be honest, I can see that one day the cable companies as we
    know them today will get pushed aside by streaming services, as
    they continue to evolve/improve. The internet is slowly but
    surely taking over everything we do, pretty much.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sunday, October 13, 2019 23:10:55
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:02 am

    On 10-12-19 20:43, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup thei own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensi to Netflix.

    i already know of one that does it for 20 bucks a month.
    it's not legal, though.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to \ on Sunday, October 13, 2019 20:04:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 07:09 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:46 pm

    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work wit the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    I just run a LAN level ad blocker so most ads are blocked before they hit an

    Setting it up is a bit involved. I am working on an article about it.

    If you run Pi-hole, you can set the pi-hole to be your dns and dhcp, so it forces devices on the network to use it as dns vs manually setting dns in configuration settings. I have yet to set it up, however that's what I'm guessing is how some with smart phones are able to run through pi-hole. I'm getting my internet via satellite - no cable or DSL or even a wisp nearby,
    and even basic browsing consumes alot of bacndwidth due to all the crap that runs in th e background

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, October 13, 2019 20:07:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 2019 07:27 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Lupine Furmen on Sun Oct 13 2019 07:50 am

    I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
    (vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
    end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
    paying more than I should for cable.

    I think an important point is to look at what you *want* versus what you get

    I pay way too much, and just recently they took Cinemax off. Well, they didn

    We could get away nicely with basic cable (which has a ton of on-demand stuf


    Within a month I plan to ditch my Dish. Nearly all the shows I watch I can ge t online there's plus a wider variety of over the air channels available.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sunday, October 13, 2019 20:11:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 2019 11:51 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:25 am

    Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work
    with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.

    why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy?

    I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to look that up a bit and see if that w

    Nightfox


    In my old Belkin router there's a provision to assign a dns server, so
    I'm guessing that is common among routers. A device such as pi-hole would
    work fine with a smart tv or other device with no manual dns settings.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Vk3jed on Monday, October 14, 2019 07:05:45
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:44 am

    How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that demand you turn your ad blocker off?

    I am not finding issues myself, but then, my policy is that I skip any site that does want me to eat their intrussive ads.

    I will pay for access to a service but I won't download and execute random ad code in my devices if I can avoid it.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Moondog on Monday, October 14, 2019 07:10:28
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Moondog to \ on Sun Oct 13 2019 08:04 pm

    If you run Pi-hole, you can set the pi-hole to be your dns and dhcp, so it forces devices on the network to use it as dns vs manually setting dns in configuration settings. I have yet to set it up, however that's what I'm

    Pi-hole and custom DNS are good, but many devices bypass your LAN DNS configuration. If you want to be tough on ad blocking you need stronger kung-fu. It is a very good start, though.

    What I have in my LAN is an intercepting WWW proxy that kills advertisements, custom DNS, and a firewall that enforces its use - if some stupid android phone tries to use 8.8.8.8 as a DNS server instead of my LAN server, the router performs a MITM and offers the device results generated by the LAN DNS server. Same with the proxy.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Gamgee on Monday, October 14, 2019 07:50:57
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 13 2019 21:14:00

    4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
    Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?

    I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx
    2.5TB).

    That is outstanding. I have a 1 TB/mo limit, with more costing
    extra. I believe it's fairly unusual to have unlimited here in
    the USA.

    I'm in the US and have unlimited data, and a 1GB Fiber Optic connection.

    Thank You Google! :) :) :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Monday, October 14, 2019 10:06:07
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:14 pm

    I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
    (approx 90/35Mbps in practice)

    To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
    light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
    doing it simultaneously, it might not be.

    What do you consider 'light' streaming duty? I have 50Mbps internet at home (which I thought was fast enough for our needs) and though we tend to only have one stream going at a time, we've watched 4K content without a problem.

    Nightfox

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Vk3jed on Monday, October 14, 2019 09:43:59
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:57 pm

    I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content, nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got your money now go spend more money because.

    Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday. Exeception to services like Spotify that seem to have a problem paying fare shares to artists.

    If I really want a physical disc of some kind of media I try to buy the best version available at the time. These days I like to get the 4k Blu-Rays because they come with a standard disc + a digital streaming option. I don't have 4k, but it's nice to know I have a decent collection of 4k flics for if I ever decide to take the dive.

    (my 7yo hdtv just started failing, no repair options for less than the cost of a decent 4k, so we are very close now)

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Arelor on Monday, October 14, 2019 09:46:32
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Arelor to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 2019 04:50 am

    Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are not buying it, but just renting it.

    I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.

    Try piracy. For $12/month I consider that a fair price for renting the 20+ titles I like to check out each month on Netflix.

    Even blu-rays have a finite shelf life. Planet gonna be dead long before your copy of Raiders expires.... just sayin.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Monday, October 14, 2019 12:27:04
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 14 2019 09:43 am

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content, nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got your money now go spend more money because.

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say it assumes you've pirated the content?

    And I've seen some that have trailers, but not many that I've seen have trailers on them.

    Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday. Exeception to services like Spotify that seem to have a problem paying fare shares to artists.

    The thing I don't like about streaming services is they're sometimes unreliable. Sometimes I've had situations where I'll be streaming a movie and sometimes it will randomly pause or disconnect or something due to a server error or connection error or something.

    If I really want a physical disc of some kind of media I try to buy the best version available at the time. These days I like to get the 4k Blu-Rays because they come with a standard disc + a digital streaming

    I prefer the 4K ones these days too. I'm also a bit dispapointed that 3D versions have become fairly rare.. Not sure why they don't seem to be making 3D home releases very much anymore.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Monday, October 14, 2019 12:29:17
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 09:46 am

    Try piracy. For $12/month I consider that a fair price for renting the 20+ titles I like to check out each month on Netflix.

    Years ago, I started using Netflix hoping I could stream movies when they come out for rent instead of going to a RedBox or something, but I was wrong. It seems most of the movies for rent at RedBox and such aren't available on Netflix - at least, not available when they come out for rent.

    Even blu-rays have a finite shelf life. Planet gonna be dead long before your copy of Raiders expires.... just sayin.

    So the argument of the finite shelf life is a bit moot, if the planet is going to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should last a long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've never had one go bad and not play anymore.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Monday, October 14, 2019 15:37:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
    (approx 90/35Mbps in practice)

    To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
    light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
    doing it simultaneously, it might not be.

    What do you consider 'light' streaming duty? I have 50Mbps
    internet at home (which I thought was fast enough for our needs)
    and though we tend to only have one stream going at a time, we've
    watched 4K content without a problem.

    Well, I guess I'd define 'light' as only one video/movie streaming
    at a time. I think if you tried 3-4 plus maybe a gaming console
    and various other connections all at the same time, it might not
    perform satisfactorily. I know that search results usually say
    that less is needed, but 'real-world' usage is sometimes different
    in my experience.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Android8675 on Monday, October 14, 2019 15:41:00
    Android8675 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the
    content,

    Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
    while playing discs.

    nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got
    your money now go spend more money because.

    You don't have to watch the trailers or the ads.

    Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday.

    I don't think so.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Android8675 on Monday, October 14, 2019 15:42:00
    Android8675 wrote to Arelor <=-

    Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are not buying it, but just renting it.
    I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.

    Try piracy. For $12/month I consider that a fair price for
    renting the 20+ titles I like to check out each month on Netflix.

    You're publicly advocating piracy/theft?


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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Monday, October 14, 2019 17:39:33
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:29 pm

    Years ago, I started using Netflix hoping I could stream movies when they come out for rent instead of going to a RedBox or something, but I was wrong. It seems most of the movies for rent at RedBox and such aren't available on Netflix - at least, not available when they come out for rent.

    There is nothing that interests me in Redbox anymore, there's just so many good things to watch on streaming services. If I really want to catch a flic I aim for a theater showing (movie clubs rock), and typically the time it takes the film to come to rental (redbox) vs. the time it takes to come to Netflix/Amazon is usually a weekend, at best. I'm sure there are exceptions still, but I do not miss rental dvd/blurays.

    Netflix still does DVD rentals btw.

    Even blu-rays have a finite shelf life. Planet gonna be dead long before your copy of Raiders expires.... just sayin.

    So the argument of the finite shelf life is a bit moot, if the planet is going to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should last a long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've never had one go bad and not play anymore.


    Never had an issue with them so far, unless they get scratched badly. I have a stack of CDrw's from long ago that no longer work. They use this gel and it goes bad fairly quickly (10'ish years), Fortunatly nothing serious on them. pressed discs don't have that issue howver. I've heard CDr's sometimes fail as well, but... again... user error? dunno.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Gamgee on Monday, October 14, 2019 17:42:39
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 03:41 pm

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content,

    Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
    while playing discs.

    Eversee an FBI warning in front of a Netflix streamed show? Commercial?

    Blu-Ray/DVD - "FBI says you shouldn't pirate this show, it's illegal! Now stare at this screen and think about what it was you were about to do, you bad bad individual."

    Ironically people that pirate the discs just take those messages out, so the only people that actually see it are the people who've more than likely paid for the movie.

    Kindda silly, no?

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Gamgee on Monday, October 14, 2019 17:46:31
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 03:42 pm

    You're publicly advocating piracy/theft?


    If there's no better option, sure you betcha.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Android8675 on Monday, October 14, 2019 21:04:00
    Android8675 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content,

    Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
    while playing discs.

    Eversee an FBI warning in front of a Netflix streamed show?
    Commercial?

    Nope.

    Blu-Ray/DVD - "FBI says you shouldn't pirate this show, it's
    illegal! Now stare at this screen and think about what it was you
    were about to do, you bad bad individual."

    Oh, yes, I have seen that.
    Funny, though, it never even occurred to me that anyone was
    "assuming I pirated the content". I took it for what it was, a
    legal warning that it's ILLEGAL to copy it. I guess having a
    guilty conscience would change your interpretation, though, eh?

    Ironically people that pirate the discs just take those messages
    out, so the only people that actually see it are the people
    who've more than likely paid for the movie.

    Well, the asshole who pirate the disc sees it too, while he's
    getting ready to edit it out. Yeah.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Android8675 on Monday, October 14, 2019 21:05:00
    Android8675 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You're publicly advocating piracy/theft?

    If there's no better option, sure you betcha.

    It doesn't occur to you that actually paying for the content you
    want to watch isn't a "better option"?

    Sheesh.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Monday, October 14, 2019 22:19:02
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:29 pm

    to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should last long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've nev had one go bad and not play anymore.


    i find that hard to believe.

    i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but it happens.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Monday, October 14, 2019 23:28:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:02 am

    On 10-12-19 20:43, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart

    That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup thei own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensi to Netflix.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Monday, October 14, 2019 23:33:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Arelor to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 14 2019 07:05 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:44 am

    How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that dema you turn your ad blocker off?

    I am not finding issues myself, but then, my policy is that I skip any site

    I will pay for access to a service but I won't download and execute random a


    At some point you must determine what to whitelist and let in versus stuff
    you don't want at all.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Monday, October 14, 2019 23:36:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Arelor to Moondog on Mon Oct 14 2019 07:10 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Moondog to \ on Sun Oct 13 2019 08:04 pm

    If you run Pi-hole, you can set the pi-hole to be your dns and dhcp, so i forces devices on the network to use it as dns vs manually setting dns in configuration settings. I have yet to set it up, however that's what I'm

    Pi-hole and custom DNS are good, but many devices bypass your LAN DNS config

    What I have in my LAN is an intercepting WWW proxy that kills advertisements fers the device results generated by the LAN DNS server. Same with the proxy


    Cool. Not sure where I read it but Google Chrome will bypass local settings Makes me want to go back to using Firefox full time

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Android8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 02:26:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Oct 14 2019 05:39 pm



    Never had an issue with them so far, unless they get scratched badly. I have e that issue howver. I've heard CDr's sometimes fail as well, but... again..

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    About 17-18 years ago the engineering office I worked at had a slow network, and some of the engineers took it upon themselves to buy CD burners out of their own budget rather than go by our IT manager's advice and be patient because we were in the middle of a bandwidth upgrade project to our remote offices. When my supervisor learned of the CD burners, he reminded the engineer's boss about what the director said, and we'd support and service everything on the wokrstation except for the burners and burning software. Besides, our network had loads of space, and and the SAN was backed up on a regular basis. 7 or 8 years pass by, and one of the engineers who told me
    the CD's are supposed to have a 50 year guarantee on data retention pulled
    one out of their storage safe, and lo and behold it was detected as recorded media! Some were partial readable, took long pauses to read, or could not be read at all. Besides the insistance we have a solid network coming, part of the warning was because the burner technology of the time experienced a major price drop, meaning a bunch of cheaper made or poorly engineered burners arrived on the market.

    Another department tried to work around getting
    nailed for internally installed burners, and purchased a parallel port burner for sending files to contractors. Their request was more legitimate, however they didn't ask at all, and the OS at the time was Windows 98. I guess that d ates this period to being around 2001, because we were migrating over to Windows 2000. When they were moved to Win2k a couple of months later, they
    no longer had reliable driver support for that burner. Funny thing was all
    the new PC's had burners by default, and the network administrator had shut down the native burning deature by group policy. They were griping about
    their burner no longer working, then I told them they wasted money by buying it, and could've waited a month or two and received internal burners and permission to use them.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 02:34:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:19 pm

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:29 pm

    to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should l long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've had one go bad and not play anymore.


    i find that hard to believe.

    i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but it happens


    I mentioned in another thread the only time I seen CD's fail was when the
    price point began to drop in the early 2000's. Whatever newer, cheaper parts or manufacturing process created some flaky lasers or something else that resulted in CD's failing over time. My boss said it was delamination. The foil media inside gets damaged, and decays over time. I have some old CD's that have failed, and it looks like the foil between the layers of polycarbona te are wrinkled or big air bubbles formed in spots.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 09:30:38
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:19 pm

    to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media
    should last long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and
    blu-rays, I've nev had one go bad and not play anymore.

    i find that hard to believe.

    i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but it happens.

    Maybe it depends on how they're stored. I've always stored my CDs and movies on shelves inside the house, so they haven't been exposed to extremes in temperature or humidity. Perhaps if you leave them in areas where they might get exposed to the sun for a long time, or in the garage for years where it gets hot & cold through the year or something, then they'd have a greater chance of going bad.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 09:37:41
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Gamgee on Mon Oct 14 2019 05:42 pm

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the
    content,

    Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
    while playing discs.

    Eversee an FBI warning in front of a Netflix streamed show? Commercial?

    Blu-Ray/DVD - "FBI says you shouldn't pirate this show, it's illegal! Now stare at this screen and think about what it was you were about to do, you bad bad individual."

    I don't think that means they're assuming you've pirated it. And the way you worded it, it sounded like they assume you've _already_ pirated it (and are watching a pirated copy?).

    Over the years I've tended to just mentally filter out things like that. I don't really pay attention to things like that anymore.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 09:40:45
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 11:36 pm

    Cool. Not sure where I read it but Google Chrome will bypass local settings Makes me want to go back to using Firefox full time

    I like Chrome for its speed but never liked its GUI. And it seems like Firefox's GUI has become more and more like Chrome over the years. I started to look into other browsers, and I found Pale Moon, which is a modern browser based on a fork of Firefox - It has the older-style Firefox UI but is still a modern browser. I've also had a look at Vivaldi, and Vivaldi has grown on me a bit too.

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Gamgee on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:11:41
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Gamgee to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 09:05 pm

    If there's no better option, sure you betcha.

    It doesn't occur to you that actually paying for the content you
    want to watch isn't a "better option"?

    ... and if the content I want to watch isn't available legally?

    I'm not jumping through hoops because I need to see some long lost episode of Blakes that isn't on Britbox (which I pay for), or Netflix (which I pay for), or in is in the 100s of DVDs/BluRays I own/have paid for.

    The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding it extremely difficult to justify paying for additional services because there's 1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, but now everyone wants to run their own streaming service instead of licensing programs back to Netflix and EVERYONE else making it so instead of paying for 4 services I'd only have to pay for 1. I could afford to pay more and I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as often.

    My stance (which I admit is pretty much borrowed, but..), Piracy's service is often superior to anything else available. If the money hungry media conglomerates (sp?) want my money, they know how to get it. Some do, some don't. I don't pirate because I can't afford it, I pirate because I can't find it or I'm not willing to give money for a shitty product.

    I'm not even going to start up about amazing services like Steam or Good Old Games. I can't TELL you how many times I've bought Doom/Quake in the last decade.

    Gameghee, I hear you, but I don't agree with you, it's nothing personal. If you work in the movie/game industry and feel I'm the source of your financial hardship or something, I get that, but know that most of what I absorb these days is on the up and up because it's easier to get the media I want to check out. I still pirate though...



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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:16:28
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:37 am

    I don't think that means they're assuming you've pirated it. And the way you worded it, it sounded like they assume you've _already_ pirated it (and are watching a pirated copy?).

    I know, was mostly just razzing. Pirates remove the screen so the only people that see the screen are people who bought the dvd. Seems kind of pointless.

    I guess if you don't know how copyright works then you might need "subtile" reminders about it, but honestly....

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 14:53:11
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Tue Oct 15 2019 11:16 am

    I know, was mostly just razzing. Pirates remove the screen so the only people that see the screen are people who bought the dvd. Seems kind of pointless.

    I guess if you don't know how copyright works then you might need "subtile" reminders about it, but honestly....

    I always thought it was meant to serve as a notice for people not to copy the disc/movie. For people who bought it legally, it's a notice not to copy it and give out copies to people, I suppose.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 14:58:08
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Gamgee on Tue Oct 15 2019 11:11 am

    I'm not jumping through hoops because I need to see some long lost episode of Blakes that isn't on Britbox (which I pay for), or Netflix (which I pay for), or in is in the 100s of DVDs/BluRays I own/have paid for.

    The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding it extremely difficult to justify paying for additional services because there's 1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, but now everyone wants to run their own streaming service instead of licensing programs back to Netflix and EVERYONE else making it so instead of paying for 4 services I'd only have to pay for 1. I could afford to pay more and I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as often.

    I know what you mean. I have a hard time justifying paying for one more streaming service just for one show I'd like to watch, and perhaps yet another streaming service for a different show I'd like to watch.. And suppose a show airs once a week over 5 months or something - I'd have to pay the monthly subscription fee over the course of that time if I want to watch the show as it comes out. I suppose a better option would be to wait until all episodes are available and then pay for just 1 month of service and binge-watch it. Still, it feels hard to justify paying for multiple streaming services for separate shows I'd want to watch.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 21:42:48
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:30 am

    i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but i happens.

    Maybe it depends on how they're stored. I've always stored my CDs and movie on shelves inside the house, so they haven't been exposed to extremes in temperature or humidity. Perhaps if you leave them in areas where they migh get exposed to the sun for a long time, or in the garage for years where it


    i stored mine away from sunlight indoors. some are just pressed badly.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Android8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 21:02:00
    Android8675 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    If there's no better option, sure you betcha.

    It doesn't occur to you that actually paying for the content you
    want to watch isn't a "better option"?

    ... and if the content I want to watch isn't available legally?

    Then.... you don't get to watch it. Pretty simple, really.

    <SNIP rationalizations/justifications for stealing somebody
    else's property.>

    None of them are valid.

    Your 'entitlement attitude' is a big part of what's wrong in the
    world these days.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ANDROID8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 20:16:00
    The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding >t extremely difficult to justify paying for additional services because there's
    1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, but now everyone wants to
    run their own streaming service instead of licensing programs back to Netflix a
    d EVERYONE else making it so instead of paying for 4 services I'd only have to >ay for 1. I could afford to pay more and I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as o
    ten.

    If I subscribed to every streaming service that carried a show I really
    wanted to see, it has become so decentralized that it has gotten to the
    point where my cable TV is cheaper than attempting to do so.

    The Expanse is on Amazon
    Letterkenny is on Hulu
    The Twilight Zone is on CBS
    There are many I would like to check out on Britbox and Acorn
    There are a few on Netflix, too, but at least I can watch those at a
    relative's house
    I have seen a couple of interesting previews of stuff on YT Red

    It is not worth it, or financiall feasible, for me to sign up for all of
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 21:33:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Tue Oct 15 2019 02:58 pm

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Android8675 to Gamgee on Tue Oct 15 2019 11:11 am

    I'm not jumping through hoops because I need to see some long lost epis of Blakes that isn't on Britbox (which I pay for), or Netflix (which I for), or in is in the 100s of DVDs/BluRays I own/have paid for.

    The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding it extremely difficult to justify paying for additional service because there's 1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, b now everyone wants to run their own streaming service instead of licens programs back to Netflix and EVERYONE else making it so instead of payi for 4 services I'd only have to pay for 1. I could afford to pay more a I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as often.

    I know what you mean. I have a hard time justifying paying for one more str
    months or something - I'd have to pay the monthly subscription fee over the rvice and binge-watch it. Still, it feels hard to justify paying for multip

    Nightfox


    It's amusing how there's a demand from the users for an ala carte option for paid programming, yet no provider is willing to offer it.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:46:00
    On 10-13-19 21:14, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
    (approx 90/35Mbps in practice)

    To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
    light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
    doing it simultaneously, it might not be.


    Well, not a lot of choice here, thanks to the current government screwing up the rollout of the national broadband network and trying to do it on the cheap, instead of going for Labor's original plan of FTTP.

    2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
    (very relevant to the first item on the list).

    Generally only 1.

    That helps, certainly. In my household that would be very
    unusual.

    Yeah we tend to watch things together. No kids either, never will be. :D

    3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
    on the list).

    Irrelevant, streams will almost always be done over wired
    Ethernet.

    Good idea, mostly true here too but not always, especially when
    the (grown) kids are visiting.

    See above (no kids). :)

    4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
    Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?

    I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx
    2.5TB).

    That is outstanding. I have a 1 TB/mo limit, with more costing
    extra. I believe it's fairly unusual to have unlimited here in
    the USA.

    Yes, it was only an extra $10/month IIRC to go from 500GB/month to unlimited.
    )

    5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
    the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
    and is it really cheaper than cable?

    And that's the killer, especially since I had already rejected cable/satellite on the grounds of lack of value proposition.

    Yes. In my case the costs were almost the same as cable, with
    less channels available (that I want), and other limitations as
    described above.

    Yeah, they know how to charge. :)

    I did subscribe to Netflix, but that's not as valuable as it used
    to be. :(

    I also have Netflix in addition to cable, and find it to be an
    excellent value.

    Netflix is still good value, but when you want to watch specific things across multiple services, then the costs add up. As I said a few messages ago, we don't have cable, because of the lack of value proposition. :(

    To be honest, I can see that one day the cable companies as we
    know them today will get pushed aside by streaming services, as
    they continue to evolve/improve. The internet is slowly but
    surely taking over everything we do, pretty much.

    This is likely.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:50:00
    On 10-13-19 23:10, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup thei own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensi to Netflix.

    i already know of one that does it for 20 bucks a month.
    it's not legal, though.

    Yeah that's what people will resort to, if the industry doesn't get its act together. The music industry largely sorted themselves years ago, though these days, being pushed onto music streaming is annoying, because I prefer to store downloaded files locally, and I have bought a number of tracks off Apple and Google, as well as a few independent vendors.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Arelor on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:51:00
    On 10-14-19 07:05, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:44 am

    How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that demand you turn your ad blocker off?

    I am not finding issues myself, but then, my policy is that I skip any site that does want me to eat their intrussive ads.

    I will pay for access to a service but I won't download and execute
    random ad code in my devices if I can avoid it.

    A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll end up becoming another tech war.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Android8675 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:56:00
    On 10-14-19 09:43, Android8675 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the
    content, nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got your
    money now go spend more money because.

    Yes, the copyright warnings are annoying. :(

    Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday. Exeception to services like Spotify that seem to have a problem paying fare shares to artists.

    I didn't know that about Spotify, but I very rarely use it anyway.

    If I really want a physical disc of some kind of media I try to buy the best version available at the time. These days I like to get the 4k Blu-Rays because they come with a standard disc + a digital streaming option. I don't have 4k, but it's nice to know I have a decent
    collection of 4k flics for if I ever decide to take the dive.

    Good point. :)

    (my 7yo hdtv just started failing, no repair options for less than the cost of a decent 4k, so we are very close now)

    Our main HDTV is still going strong, and there's a spare one in good working order, so 4k is probably a little while off. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Tuesday, October 15, 2019 19:57:00
    On 10-14-19 23:28, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    If anything, Netflix has to cut deals with content providers, not the other way around.

    And these days, the content providers are setting up their own streaming services. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 19:48:00
    On 10-14-19 12:29, Nightfox wrote to Android8675 <=-

    So the argument of the finite shelf life is a bit moot, if the planet
    is going to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the
    media should last a long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs,
    DVDs, and blu-rays, I've never had one go bad and not play anymore.

    I've had no trouble with CDs (other than badly scratched ones) or Blu-ray disks, but I have had a number of commercially pressed DVDs go bad and become unplayable without any visible defects or scratches.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 20:46:00
    On 10-15-19 21:33, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    It's amusing how there's a demand from the users for an ala carte
    option for paid programming, yet no provider is willing to offer it.

    And therein lies the reason that piracy won't slow down anytime soon. The industry is simply not providing the consumer with what they're asking for - content at a reasonable price. The content is there, but the resonable price part is slipping away. :(


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 09:42:45
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:50 pm

    Yeah that's what people will resort to, if the industry doesn't get its act together. The music industry largely sorted themselves years ago, though these days, being pushed onto music streaming is annoying, because I prefer to store downloaded files locally, and I have bought a number of tracks off Apple and Google, as well as a few independent vendors.

    I still buy music on CD, because I can rip it and store it on my computer and devices locally, and the CD also serves as a sort of hard-copy backup (also, it's lossless). I'd buy music in downloadable form in FLAC format though (since FLAC is lossless) - I've bought a couple albums that way (mainly since they were only available in that format). I don't stream music much, since like you, I like to store my media locally.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 09:43:46
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:51 pm

    A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll end up becoming another tech war.

    Yeah, I use an ad blocker plugin with my web browsers, and I've seen some sites that have a pop-up asking you to disable the ad blocker for their site.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 09:46:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Android8675 on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:56 pm

    Our main HDTV is still going strong, and there's a spare one in good working order, so 4k is probably a little while off. :)

    Maybe you could "accidentally" break one of them so you'd have a reason to buy a new one to replace it. ;)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 13:04:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:57 pm

    On 10-14-19 23:28, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    If anything, Netflix has to cut deals with content providers, not the other way around.

    And these days, the content providers are setting up their own streaming services. :(


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:13:26
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:40 am


    I like Chrome for its speed but never liked its GUI. And it seems like Firefox's
    GUI
    has become more and more like Chrome over the years. I started to look into other
    browsers, and I found Pale Moon, which is a modern browser based on a fork of
    Firefox
    - It has the older-style Firefox UI but is still a modern browser. I've also had a
    look at Vivaldi, and Vivaldi has grown on me a bit too.

    Nightfox

    Firefox has more problems than its GUI. If you check any serious guide about hardening Firefox for privacy you will see it is very leaky, sometimes on purpose. Too bad their main competitors are worse.

    Pale Moon is ok but it has its own problems. For one the developers are dicks that put Theo de Raadt to shame and have a history of bugging packagers and repository maintainers over very pety stuff. The development is very Windows centric and I have actually read people from the project talking trash about other operating systems and their users - in a very ad hominem not technical way.

    Then it has the problem that it is essentially a clone trying to play catch up to projects that are better funded and manned.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:37:46
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Oct 16 2019 10:13 am

    Pale Moon is ok but it has its own problems. For one the developers are dicks that put Theo de Raadt to shame and have a history of bugging packagers and repository maintainers over very pety stuff. The development is very Windows centric and I have actually read people from the project talking trash about other operating systems and their users - in a very ad hominem not technical way.

    I have Pale Moon installed on my Linux machine at home, so I know a non-Windows version is available.

    Then it has the problem that it is essentially a clone trying to play catch up to projects that are better funded and manned.

    hmm.. I thought Pale Moon was fairly up to date. I may end up using Vivaldi more.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 13:59:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 16 2019 09:42 am

    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:50 pm

    Yeah that's what people will resort to, if the industry doesn't get its act together. The music industry largely sorted themselves years ago, though these days, being pushed onto music streaming is annoying, becau I prefer to store downloaded files locally, and I have bought a number tracks off Apple and Google, as well as a few independent vendors.

    I still buy music on CD, because I can rip it and store it on my computer an - I've bought a couple albums that way (mainly since they were only availabl

    Nightfox


    In the earlier days of online storage and picture sharing, I lost several pictures and files due to these early services shutting down or the sites
    went through renovation and got out of the sharing business. I also would rather have a hard copy of my music and videos I like.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:26:00
    On 10-16-19 09:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I still buy music on CD, because I can rip it and store it on my
    computer and devices locally, and the CD also serves as a sort of hard-copy backup (also, it's lossless). I'd buy music in downloadable form in FLAC format though (since FLAC is lossless) - I've bought a
    couple albums that way (mainly since they were only available in that format). I don't stream music much, since like you, I like to store my media locally.

    Yeah that makes sense. For complicated reasons, physical media is less preferable for music (too many "things to have to sort/lose/get messed up/etc), but a FLAC option for downloadable purchases would be nice to have.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:26:00
    On 10-16-19 09:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:51 pm

    A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll end up becoming another tech war.

    Yeah, I use an ad blocker plugin with my web browsers, and I've seen
    some sites that have a pop-up asking you to disable the ad blocker for their site.

    And most are pretty insistant about it, which is getting annoying.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:27:00
    On 10-16-19 09:46, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Android8675 on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:56 pm

    Our main HDTV is still going strong, and there's a spare one in good working order, so 4k is probably a little while off. :)

    Maybe you could "accidentally" break one of them so you'd have a reason
    to buy a new one to replace it. ;)

    Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, there's not a lot of point. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wednesday, October 16, 2019 21:39:23
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Oct 17 2019 10:26 am

    On 10-16-19 09:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:51 pm

    A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll up becoming another tech war.

    Yeah, I use an ad blocker plugin with my web browsers, and I've seen some sites that have a pop-up asking you to disable the ad blocker for their site.

    And most are pretty insistant about it, which is getting annoying.



    i dont know if there's a blocker that gives the site a false positive so it cant be detected. i havent found one like that yet.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Thursday, October 17, 2019 18:43:00
    Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, >there's not a lot of point. :)

    Exactly!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Friday, October 18, 2019 18:04:00
    On 10-16-19 21:39, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i dont know if there's a blocker that gives the site a false positive
    so it cant be detected. i havent found one like that yet.

    I can see it happening, there will be an arms race on ad blocking.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Friday, October 18, 2019 18:05:00
    On 10-17-19 18:43, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

    @VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
    Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p,
    there's not a lot of point. :)

    Exactly!

    I'm happy to stick with a perfectly good 55" TV. Sure, it doesn't do 4k, but that's such a small consideration it's not on the radar.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, October 18, 2019 09:53:55
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Oct 17 2019 10:27 am

    Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, there's not a lot of point. :)

    True.. :) Though if you have a 4K TV (or something to watch 4K content on), then you'd also have a reason to watch more 4K content.. though it might be like a chicken & egg situation. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Friday, October 18, 2019 09:56:00
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Dumas Walker on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:05 pm

    I'm happy to stick with a perfectly good 55" TV. Sure, it doesn't do 4k, but that's such a small consideration it's not on the radar.

    True. And honestly I think TVs & media players these days can upscale video fairly well. I think 720p looks fairly good when scaled up to 1080p or even 4K (though 4K is an exact multiple of 1080, so if it looks good at 1080, it should still look fairly good on a 4K screen).

    In 2015 I moved from an apartment to a house, so I had an occasion to buy a bigger TV and opted to go for one that supports 4K (and the one I got also supports 3D, which is cool, though we don't watch 3D content very often).

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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Dumas Walker on Sunday, October 20, 2019 12:16:12
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Dumas Walker to ANDROID8675 on Tue Oct 15 2019 08:16 pm

    If I subscribed to every streaming service that carried a show I really wanted to see, it has become so decentralized that it has gotten to the point where my cable TV is cheaper than attempting to do so.

    The Expanse is on Amazon
    Letterkenny is on Hulu
    The Twilight Zone is on CBS
    There are many I would like to check out on Britbox and Acorn
    There are a few on Netflix, too, but at least I can watch those at a relative's house
    I have seen a couple of interesting previews of stuff on YT Red

    You should just pay $150-$200 for cable that has everything, with ads, and nothing from Amazon/Hulu/CBS "All Access"/Britbox/Acorn.... Yeah Comcast in my area has Netflix now, if you have a valid netflix subscription, gee thanks/no thanks. They are wising up though, an Internet only subscription throttles your streaming unless you pay for HD access. Fortuntly Spectrum Internet moved in recently and offers a similar package with none of the traffic monitoring.

    YT Red has CobraKai, I recommend it. I think it also removes some of the ads from normal YT vids.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, October 20, 2019 20:13:00
    On 10-18-19 09:53, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Oct 17 2019 10:27 am

    Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, there's not a lot of point. :)

    True.. :) Though if you have a 4K TV (or something to watch 4K
    content on), then you'd also have a reason to watch more 4K content.. though it might be like a chicken & egg situation. :)

    I don't get to see much 1080p content as it is. As I said, 720p seems to be the most common resolution besides SD from DVDs.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sunday, October 20, 2019 20:16:00
    On 10-18-19 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    True. And honestly I think TVs & media players these days can upscale video fairly well. I think 720p looks fairly good when scaled up to
    1080p or even 4K (though 4K is an exact multiple of 1080, so if it
    looks good at 1080, it should still look fairly good on a 4K screen).

    Upscaling does work pretty well. It certainly makes DVDs look better, but 720 or 1080p content still looks much more crisp.

    In 2015 I moved from an apartment to a house, so I had an occasion to
    buy a bigger TV and opted to go for one that supports 4K (and the one I got also supports 3D, which is cool, though we don't watch 3D content
    very often).

    Yeah, if I had a need for a TV, I'd go 4k. I do have 3D capability on the TV, but have never made use of it.


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  • From Android8675@VERT/ECBBS to Nightfox on Monday, March 09, 2020 13:27:08
    Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:27:04

    I prefer the 4K ones these days too. I'm also a bit dispapointed that 3D versions have become fairly rare.. Not sure why they don't seem to be making 3D home releases very much anymore.

    Because 3D just died a quick and brutal death. No one wants to pay extra for it anymore, and movie studios would gladly drop the feature if it wasn't economically viable.

    I also HATE the active shutter tech on home TVs. I doubt you could get a TV with Passive 3D these days either.

    If I could buy the tech without it costing more I'd probably get it again. There are enough 3D titles in my library to make it worth it... maybe.

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