Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?
Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am
By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.
But yes, I think there is still a market for them. I still buy movies on blu-ray sometimes, as I still like having a disc with easy chapter navigation and extras. And having the disc also means you don't have to stream it, which can have its own issues.
Also, more movies are becoming available on 4K blu-ray. Naturally, 4K takes more bandwidth to stream than 1080p resolution, so I think it can be good to have 4K on disc too.
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Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?
$ The Millionaire $
But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk and download them instead.
Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 2019 01:23 pm
You can also buy them online, so you still don't have to leave your house to buy them.
Is your question about buying movies vs. downloading them for free? This is another example where I think your question could have been clearer.
The industry has always been worried about too much piracy, but people continued to buy movies on blu-ray, DVD, etc. I think plenty of people have been willing to pay money for them. It seems in recent years though, there has been a significant reduction in people buying movies or even renting movies on discs. A lot of people these days seem content with streaming services such as Netflix and others. A portion of people do download movies for free too, but that has been the case for a long time.
Also, I always thought "digital" was a strange term for streaming or a media file. Formats like blu-ray and DVD are digital.. The first time I saw a DVD in a store that said "digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a digital format..
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Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am
By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.
But yes, I think there is still a market for them. I still buy movies on blu-ray sometimes, as I still like having a disc with easy chapter navigat and extras. And having the disc also means you don't have to stream it, which can have its own issues.
Also, more movies are becoming available on 4K blu-ray. Naturally, 4K tak more bandwidth to stream than 1080p resolution, so I think it can be good have 4K on disc too.
Nightfox
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But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk a download them instead.
$ The Millionaire $
On 10-10-19 10:19, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-
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Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am
Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?
By "get them on the internet", I'm not sure if you mean buy them on the internet or stream the movies on the internet.
On 10-10-19 13:23, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-
But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not
travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of
coffee on their desk and download them instead.
On 10-10-19 19:18, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-
I'm talking about buying movies and downloading them off the internet.
But as of next year, there will be a lot more movie companies going streaming. But will we be able to afford them all they say?
I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.
I'm talking about buying movies and downloading them off the internet. But as of next year, there will be a lot more movie companies going streaming. But will we be able to afford them all they say?
I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.
But even the streaming services are becoming less appealing as every studio sets up its own streaming outfit, making that an expensive and unattractive option in the long run. :(
On 10-10-19 13:23, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-
But my point is here is competition. Some people would rather not travel to a store and sit on their computer at home with a cup of coffee on their desk and download them instead.
Having them available (legally) in multiple formats is a good thing. I pref either physical media or a downloadable file. The exceptionm is for streami services where I'm paying to access a range of content (e.g. Netflix), rathe than a single movie.
But even the streaming services are becoming less appealing as every studio sets up its own streaming outfit, making that an expensive and unattractive option in the long run. :(
... It's the little things: like little mistakes.
Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:31 am
Do you think there is a market for blu ray since you can get them on the internet as well?
$ The Millionaire $
Some people are collectors and like the physical media. It works regardless if you have internet.
On 10-11-19 04:50, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Same here.
Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are
not buying it, but just renting it.
I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.
On 10-11-19 09:45, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.
I do too. Streaming services can be unreliable sometimes. I think the video and audio quality on a disc tends to be better than streaming too (though it can be hard to tell the difference). And for something like
4K content, the requirements for streaming are even higher due to the higher resolution.
I also like watching the extra content available on blu-ray sometimes.
On 10-11-19 10:03, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things
I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending
$6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch
some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper,
but it seems that's not quite the case. To watch all the shows I'd
want to watch, I'd have to subscribe to multiple streaming services,
and the cost savings isn't quite what I hoped it would be.
On 10-11-19 13:47, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Granted, there are some films I watched, and once was enough. In those situations I feel streaming has an advantage. It's like renting a
movie, and not having to return it afterwards.
That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper, but it seems that's
That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things
I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending
$6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch
some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper,
but it seems that's
Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 2019 10:03 am
That's true. I haven't had cable TV in a long time - There are things I watch over the air on TV. It was my hope that maybe spending $6/month or on a copule streaming services would allow me to watch some of the same content available on cable TV or rent movies cheaper, but it seems that's
Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.
spending $6/month or so on a copule streaming services would allow me
Have you tried Hulu for $5.99 per month? First month is Free.
I haven't. But what's different about Hulu, vs. Netflix, Amazon Prime, CBS All Access, and the others?
On 10-12-19 17:07, MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
download is free :D
You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you like b maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's not for you. just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming service I could fi
On 10-12-19 17:07, MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
download is free :D
With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.
You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you
like b maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's
the ads arent really that bad.
You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you like but maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's not for
you. I just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming service I could find for the $6.00 price you were looking for. Hulu has a lot of
Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you
I think you mean online/downloadable. DVD and BD are digital, last time I checked. ;)
You mentioned you liked some TV shows. I don't know which shows you
like b maybe Hulu has them? The $5.99 price is with Ads so maybe it's
not for you. just thought I'd mention it cause it's the only streaming
service I could fi
the ads arent really that bad.
what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart
too many players in the game
No they aren't. I use an adblocker so I don't see them. I just see a blank screen for whatever time the ad runs. Hulu runs damn good on the crapy wifi I use too.
the ads arent really that bad.
If it has ads, then I'm wondering what the $5.99 subscription fee is paying for.
With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.
what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart
too many players in the game
Lupine Furmen wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 2019 20:43:30
With the proliferation of streaming services, this is what many might end up resorting to.
what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart
too many players in the game
Well with the price of Cable/Satelite constantly going up, it
will probably end being cheaper just to get subscriptions to the
streaming service of the channels you actually watch, rather than
paying for a whole bunch of channels you never watch.
The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said "Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a digital format..
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
(vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
paying more than I should for cable.
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work
with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy? ;)
The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said
"Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is,
DVD is a digital format..
they probably meant that there was a section of the disk set aside as a data partition and there was a file on there of the movie that you could copy to another machine to watch from instead of having to play from the disk... think analogue audio CD and the difference between them and wav or mp3 files, for instance...
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:46:34
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work wit the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy? ;)
one can also set up a hosts file or use their local DNS server to block/filt those advertising domains... even to redirect to your own server and replace the content with what you prefer in those spots...
We could get away nicely with basic cable (which has a ton of on-demand stuff) and asubscription service or two. Then, you have to add in the boxes needed to get digital
On 10-12-19 20:43, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart
On 10-12-19 21:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
People seem to use the term "digital" to mean online/downloadable. I don't like that use of the term though..
The first time I was in a store and saw a DVD movie that said "Digital copy included", I was confused, thinking of course it is, DVD is a
digital format..
On 10-12-19 21:45, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Yeah, I'd like it if there was some consolidation of streaming services
so you could be able to stream anything that's available for one fee.
On 10-13-19 07:50, Gamgee wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Maybe, but it hasn't reached that point yet.
There are other issues with streaming as well, that some people
forget about:
1. Is your cable connection fast enough?
2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
(very relevant to the first item on the list).
3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
on the list).
4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?
5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
and is it really cheaper than cable?
I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
(vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
paying more than I should for cable. So I continue on with the
cable, and I look at it like a "necessary evil", similar to having
to pump gasoline into the car if I want to use it.
On 10-13-19 07:09, Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:46 pm
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
I just run a LAN level ad blocker so most ads are blocked before they
hit any device at home.
Setting it up is a bit involved. I am working on an article about it.
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
There are other issues with streaming as well, that some people
forget about:
1. Is your cable connection fast enough?
I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
(approx 90/35Mbps in practice)
2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
(very relevant to the first item on the list).
Generally only 1.
3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
on the list).
Irrelevant, streams will almost always be done over wired
Ethernet.
4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?
I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx
2.5TB).
5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
and is it really cheaper than cable?
And that's the killer, especially since I had already rejected cable/satellite on the grounds of lack of value proposition.
I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
(vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
paying more than I should for cable. So I continue on with the
cable, and I look at it like a "necessary evil", similar to having
to pump gasoline into the car if I want to use it.
I did subscribe to Netflix, but that's not as valuable as it used
to be. :(
On 10-12-19 20:43, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart
That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup thei own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensi to Netflix.
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:46 pm
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work wit the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
I just run a LAN level ad blocker so most ads are blocked before they hit an
Setting it up is a bit involved. I am working on an article about it.
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Gamgee to Lupine Furmen on Sun Oct 13 2019 07:50 am
I recently contemplated "cutting the cord" and going all streaming
(vs cable TV), and found that it was NOT cost effective and I'd
end up with less than I have now, even though I feel like I'm
paying more than I should for cable.
I think an important point is to look at what you *want* versus what you get
I pay way too much, and just recently they took Cinemax off. Well, they didn
We could get away nicely with basic cable (which has a ton of on-demand stuf
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:25 am
Are there adblockers available for smart TVs? And do adblockers work
with the Hulu app? I'd likely watch such content on a smart TV.
why? is there a problem simply running them through a filtering proxy?
I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to look that up a bit and see if that w
Nightfox
How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that demand you turn your ad blocker off?
If you run Pi-hole, you can set the pi-hole to be your dns and dhcp, so it forces devices on the network to use it as dns vs manually setting dns in configuration settings. I have yet to set it up, however that's what I'm
4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?
I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx
2.5TB).
That is outstanding. I have a 1 TB/mo limit, with more costing
extra. I believe it's fairly unusual to have unlimited here in
the USA.
I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
(approx 90/35Mbps in practice)
To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
doing it simultaneously, it might not be.
I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.
Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are not buying it, but just renting it.
I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.
I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content, nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got your money now go spend more money because.
Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday. Exeception to services like Spotify that seem to have a problem paying fare shares to artists.
If I really want a physical disc of some kind of media I try to buy the best version available at the time. These days I like to get the 4k Blu-Rays because they come with a standard disc + a digital streaming
Try piracy. For $12/month I consider that a fair price for renting the 20+ titles I like to check out each month on Netflix.
Even blu-rays have a finite shelf life. Planet gonna be dead long before your copy of Raiders expires.... just sayin.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
(approx 90/35Mbps in practice)
To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
doing it simultaneously, it might not be.
What do you consider 'light' streaming duty? I have 50Mbps
internet at home (which I thought was fast enough for our needs)
and though we tend to only have one stream going at a time, we've
watched 4K content without a problem.
Android8675 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I much prefer to pay for a Blu-ray disc than an Internet stream, where ossible.
I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the
content,
nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got
your money now go spend more money because.
Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday.
Android8675 wrote to Arelor <=-
Also, lots of digital content are served with DRM, which means you are not buying it, but just renting it.
I prefer to have a collection that is actually mine.
Try piracy. For $12/month I consider that a fair price for
renting the 20+ titles I like to check out each month on Netflix.
Years ago, I started using Netflix hoping I could stream movies when they come out for rent instead of going to a RedBox or something, but I was wrong. It seems most of the movies for rent at RedBox and such aren't available on Netflix - at least, not available when they come out for rent.
Even blu-rays have a finite shelf life. Planet gonna be dead long before your copy of Raiders expires.... just sayin.
So the argument of the finite shelf life is a bit moot, if the planet is going to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should last a long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've never had one go bad and not play anymore.
I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content,
Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
while playing discs.
You're publicly advocating piracy/theft?
Android8675 wrote to Gamgee <=-
I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the content,
Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
while playing discs.
Eversee an FBI warning in front of a Netflix streamed show?
Commercial?
Blu-Ray/DVD - "FBI says you shouldn't pirate this show, it's
illegal! Now stare at this screen and think about what it was you
were about to do, you bad bad individual."
Ironically people that pirate the discs just take those messages
out, so the only people that actually see it are the people
who've more than likely paid for the movie.
Android8675 wrote to Gamgee <=-
You're publicly advocating piracy/theft?
If there's no better option, sure you betcha.
to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should last long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've nev had one go bad and not play anymore.
On 10-12-19 20:43, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
what would be funny is if all these streaming guys had to partner with something like netflix so people can watch the shows ala cart
That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup thei own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensi to Netflix.
... Proofread carefully to see if you any words out
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:44 am
How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that dema you turn your ad blocker off?
I am not finding issues myself, but then, my policy is that I skip any site
I will pay for access to a service but I won't download and execute random a
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Moondog to \ on Sun Oct 13 2019 08:04 pm
If you run Pi-hole, you can set the pi-hole to be your dns and dhcp, so i forces devices on the network to use it as dns vs manually setting dns in configuration settings. I have yet to set it up, however that's what I'm
Pi-hole and custom DNS are good, but many devices bypass your LAN DNS config
What I have in my LAN is an intercepting WWW proxy that kills advertisements fers the device results generated by the LAN DNS server. Same with the proxy
Never had an issue with them so far, unless they get scratched badly. I have e that issue howver. I've heard CDr's sometimes fail as well, but... again..
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:29 pm
to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media should l long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays, I've had one go bad and not play anymore.
i find that hard to believe.
i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but it happens
to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the media
should last long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs, DVDs, and
blu-rays, I've nev had one go bad and not play anymore.
i find that hard to believe.
i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but it happens.
I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the
content,
Huh? What does that even mean? I've never seen or heard of that
while playing discs.
Eversee an FBI warning in front of a Netflix streamed show? Commercial?
Blu-Ray/DVD - "FBI says you shouldn't pirate this show, it's illegal! Now stare at this screen and think about what it was you were about to do, you bad bad individual."
Cool. Not sure where I read it but Google Chrome will bypass local settings Makes me want to go back to using Firefox full time
If there's no better option, sure you betcha.
It doesn't occur to you that actually paying for the content you
want to watch isn't a "better option"?
I don't think that means they're assuming you've pirated it. And the way you worded it, it sounded like they assume you've _already_ pirated it (and are watching a pirated copy?).
I know, was mostly just razzing. Pirates remove the screen so the only people that see the screen are people who bought the dvd. Seems kind of pointless.
I guess if you don't know how copyright works then you might need "subtile" reminders about it, but honestly....
I'm not jumping through hoops because I need to see some long lost episode of Blakes that isn't on Britbox (which I pay for), or Netflix (which I pay for), or in is in the 100s of DVDs/BluRays I own/have paid for.
The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding it extremely difficult to justify paying for additional services because there's 1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, but now everyone wants to run their own streaming service instead of licensing programs back to Netflix and EVERYONE else making it so instead of paying for 4 services I'd only have to pay for 1. I could afford to pay more and I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as often.
i've had cds and dvds that had cdrot. these werent just ones i burned. they were commercial. it wasnt a frequent problem like user media but i happens.
Maybe it depends on how they're stored. I've always stored my CDs and movie on shelves inside the house, so they haven't been exposed to extremes in temperature or humidity. Perhaps if you leave them in areas where they migh get exposed to the sun for a long time, or in the garage for years where it
Android8675 wrote to Gamgee <=-
If there's no better option, sure you betcha.
It doesn't occur to you that actually paying for the content you
want to watch isn't a "better option"?
... and if the content I want to watch isn't available legally?
The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding >t extremely difficult to justify paying for additional services because there's
1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, but now everyone wants to
run their own streaming service instead of licensing programs back to Netflix a
d EVERYONE else making it so instead of paying for 4 services I'd only have to >ay for 1. I could afford to pay more and I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as o
ten.
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Android8675 to Gamgee on Tue Oct 15 2019 11:11 am
I'm not jumping through hoops because I need to see some long lost epis of Blakes that isn't on Britbox (which I pay for), or Netflix (which I for), or in is in the 100s of DVDs/BluRays I own/have paid for.
The problem I see now is that there are so many streaming services I'm finding it extremely difficult to justify paying for additional service because there's 1 program I want to watch that used to be on Netflix, b now everyone wants to run their own streaming service instead of licens programs back to Netflix and EVERYONE else making it so instead of payi for 4 services I'd only have to pay for 1. I could afford to pay more a I wouldn't have to turn to piracy as often.
I know what you mean. I have a hard time justifying paying for one more str
months or something - I'd have to pay the monthly subscription fee over the rvice and binge-watch it. Still, it feels hard to justify paying for multip
Nightfox
On 10-13-19 21:14, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't have cable, Internet is VDSL, and it's fast enough
(approx 90/35Mbps in practice)
To me that is quite slow. While it is certainly fast enough for
light streaming duty, if you have multiple people in the house
doing it simultaneously, it might not be.
2. How many devices/people will be streaming at the same time
(very relevant to the first item on the list).
Generally only 1.
That helps, certainly. In my household that would be very
unusual.
3. How good is the WiFi in the house (very related to the 2nd item
on the list).
Irrelevant, streams will almost always be done over wired
Ethernet.
Good idea, mostly true here too but not always, especially when
the (grown) kids are visiting.
4. Does your cable provider have a bandwidth (GB/mo) limit?
Almost certainly, they do. Is it enough for the household?
I have unlimited data (monthly record achieved so far is approx
2.5TB).
That is outstanding. I have a 1 TB/mo limit, with more costing
extra. I believe it's fairly unusual to have unlimited here in
the USA.
5. You'll very likely need multiple streaming services to get all
the channels you may be accustomed to. Add up the total costs
and is it really cheaper than cable?
And that's the killer, especially since I had already rejected cable/satellite on the grounds of lack of value proposition.
Yes. In my case the costs were almost the same as cable, with
less channels available (that I want), and other limitations as
described above.
I did subscribe to Netflix, but that's not as valuable as it used
to be. :(
I also have Netflix in addition to cable, and find it to be an
excellent value.
To be honest, I can see that one day the cable companies as we
know them today will get pushed aside by streaming services, as
they continue to evolve/improve. The internet is slowly but
surely taking over everything we do, pretty much.
On 10-13-19 23:10, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's not going to happen, not the way the industry works. They setup thei own outlets so they could get the profits for themselves, instead of licensi to Netflix.
i already know of one that does it for 20 bucks a month.
it's not legal, though.
On 10-14-19 07:05, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:44 am
How does it interact with those (increasing number of) websites that demand you turn your ad blocker off?
I am not finding issues myself, but then, my policy is that I skip any site that does want me to eat their intrussive ads.
I will pay for access to a service but I won't download and execute
random ad code in my devices if I can avoid it.
On 10-14-19 09:43, Android8675 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't like the way Blu-Ray/DVD just assumes you've pirated the
content, nor the trailers, or other things that say, hey we got your
money now go spend more money because.
Gimmie a streamed/pirated version anyday. Exeception to services like Spotify that seem to have a problem paying fare shares to artists.
If I really want a physical disc of some kind of media I try to buy the best version available at the time. These days I like to get the 4k Blu-Rays because they come with a standard disc + a digital streaming option. I don't have 4k, but it's nice to know I have a decent
collection of 4k flics for if I ever decide to take the dive.
(my 7yo hdtv just started failing, no repair options for less than the cost of a decent 4k, so we are very close now)
On 10-14-19 23:28, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If anything, Netflix has to cut deals with content providers, not the other way around.
On 10-14-19 12:29, Nightfox wrote to Android8675 <=-
So the argument of the finite shelf life is a bit moot, if the planet
is going to be dead before blu-rays go bad.. I've always heard the
media should last a long time. And in all the time I've owned CDs,
DVDs, and blu-rays, I've never had one go bad and not play anymore.
On 10-15-19 21:33, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
It's amusing how there's a demand from the users for an ala carte
option for paid programming, yet no provider is willing to offer it.
Yeah that's what people will resort to, if the industry doesn't get its act together. The music industry largely sorted themselves years ago, though these days, being pushed onto music streaming is annoying, because I prefer to store downloaded files locally, and I have bought a number of tracks off Apple and Google, as well as a few independent vendors.
A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll end up becoming another tech war.
Our main HDTV is still going strong, and there's a spare one in good working order, so 4k is probably a little while off. :)
On 10-14-19 23:28, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If anything, Netflix has to cut deals with content providers, not the other way around.
And these days, the content providers are setting up their own streaming services. :(
... Crayons can take you more places than starships. * Guinan
I like Chrome for its speed but never liked its GUI. And it seems like Firefox's
GUI
has become more and more like Chrome over the years. I started to look into other
browsers, and I found Pale Moon, which is a modern browser based on a fork of
Firefox
- It has the older-style Firefox UI but is still a modern browser. I've also had a
look at Vivaldi, and Vivaldi has grown on me a bit too.
Nightfox
Pale Moon is ok but it has its own problems. For one the developers are dicks that put Theo de Raadt to shame and have a history of bugging packagers and repository maintainers over very pety stuff. The development is very Windows centric and I have actually read people from the project talking trash about other operating systems and their users - in a very ad hominem not technical way.
Then it has the problem that it is essentially a clone trying to play catch up to projects that are better funded and manned.
Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:50 pm
Yeah that's what people will resort to, if the industry doesn't get its act together. The music industry largely sorted themselves years ago, though these days, being pushed onto music streaming is annoying, becau I prefer to store downloaded files locally, and I have bought a number tracks off Apple and Google, as well as a few independent vendors.
I still buy music on CD, because I can rip it and store it on my computer an - I've bought a couple albums that way (mainly since they were only availabl
Nightfox
On 10-16-19 09:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I still buy music on CD, because I can rip it and store it on my
computer and devices locally, and the CD also serves as a sort of hard-copy backup (also, it's lossless). I'd buy music in downloadable form in FLAC format though (since FLAC is lossless) - I've bought a
couple albums that way (mainly since they were only available in that format). I don't stream music much, since like you, I like to store my media locally.
On 10-16-19 09:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:51 pm
A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll end up becoming another tech war.
Yeah, I use an ad blocker plugin with my web browsers, and I've seen
some sites that have a pop-up asking you to disable the ad blocker for their site.
On 10-16-19 09:46, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to Android8675 on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:56 pm
Our main HDTV is still going strong, and there's a spare one in good working order, so 4k is probably a little while off. :)
Maybe you could "accidentally" break one of them so you'd have a reason
to buy a new one to replace it. ;)
On 10-16-19 09:43, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Tue Oct 15 2019 07:51 pm
A lot of sites are jacking up against ad blockers these days. :( It'll up becoming another tech war.
Yeah, I use an ad blocker plugin with my web browsers, and I've seen some sites that have a pop-up asking you to disable the ad blocker for their site.
And most are pretty insistant about it, which is getting annoying.
Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, >there's not a lot of point. :)
On 10-16-19 21:39, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i dont know if there's a blocker that gives the site a false positive
so it cant be detected. i havent found one like that yet.
On 10-17-19 18:43, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
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Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p,
there's not a lot of point. :)
Exactly!
Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, there's not a lot of point. :)
I'm happy to stick with a perfectly good 55" TV. Sure, it doesn't do 4k, but that's such a small consideration it's not on the radar.
If I subscribed to every streaming service that carried a show I really wanted to see, it has become so decentralized that it has gotten to the point where my cable TV is cheaper than attempting to do so.
The Expanse is on Amazon
Letterkenny is on Hulu
The Twilight Zone is on CBS
There are many I would like to check out on Britbox and Acorn
There are a few on Netflix, too, but at least I can watch those at a relative's house
I have seen a couple of interesting previews of stuff on YT Red
On 10-18-19 09:53, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Blu Ray vs Digital
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Oct 17 2019 10:27 am
Haha since the majority of content that passes through here seems to be 720p, there's not a lot of point. :)
True.. :) Though if you have a 4K TV (or something to watch 4K
content on), then you'd also have a reason to watch more 4K content.. though it might be like a chicken & egg situation. :)
On 10-18-19 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True. And honestly I think TVs & media players these days can upscale video fairly well. I think 720p looks fairly good when scaled up to
1080p or even 4K (though 4K is an exact multiple of 1080, so if it
looks good at 1080, it should still look fairly good on a 4K screen).
In 2015 I moved from an apartment to a house, so I had an occasion to
buy a bigger TV and opted to go for one that supports 4K (and the one I got also supports 3D, which is cool, though we don't watch 3D content
very often).
I prefer the 4K ones these days too. I'm also a bit dispapointed that 3D versions have become fairly rare.. Not sure why they don't seem to be making 3D home releases very much anymore.
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