It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods things on cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history on it instead on shows like ice road truchers and pawn stars. I suppose you coulse loosly associate pawn stars with history because of the items they deal with, but I feel like the quality has gone way down. Anything that is still good they seem to dump on H2, but even there it seems like most of their programming consists of ancent alians. It's the same with Discovery channel and other networks as well.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to All on Sun Oct 11 2015 06:02 pm

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods things on cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history on it instead o shows like ice road truchers and pawn stars. I suppose you coulse loosly

I agree. I used to love History channel. For the History programs like Civil War Journal. Now I watch more PBS cause History channel has nothing on for me.

HusTler

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to All on Sun Oct 11 2015 18:02:57

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods things on cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history on it instead on shows like ice road truchers and pawn stars. I suppose you coulse loosly associate pawn stars with history because of the items they deal with, but I feel like the quality has gone way down. Anything that is still good they seem to dump on H2, but even there it seems like most of their programming consists of ancent alians. It's the same with Discovery channel and other networks as well.

The way things have gone with TV, I don't watch a whole lot of TV these days anyway. More and more, I've been going the "chord cutter" route, as now I no longer have any premium TV service - I mainly watch TV over the air, and if there's anything else I want to watch, I often stream content online. I sometimes stream from Amazon Prime, but occasionally I use Netflix too, and there's even some interesting stuff on YouTube. Occasionally I'll rent a movie from RedBox as well. A while ago, I also bought PlayOn, which is a piece of software that will allow you to watch online content on a TV from sources that normally only allow you to watch from a computer (the way it works is that you have to run PlayOn's software on a PC on your home network, and it takes the stream from online and re-plays it to PlayOn client software running on a smart TV or smart device connected to a TV). I found that there's a bunch of older TV shows available from various sources through PlayOn.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to All on Sun Oct 11 2015 06:02 pm

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods things on cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history on it instead on shows like ice road truchers and pawn stars. I suppose you coulse
loosly associate pawn stars with history because of the items they deal with, but I feel like the quality has gone way down. Anything that is
still good they seem to dump on H2, but even there it seems like most of their programming consists of ancent alians. It's the same with Discovery channel and other networks as well.

i got rid of cable in 2005. when i'm at a friend's house and watch it, i just cant fucking stand it. i cant stand the pay channels and i cant stand the regular tv channels. too much shit.

i download the few shows i watch.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Hustler to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 11 2015 07:20 pm

Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to All on Sun Oct 11 2015 06:02 pm

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods things cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history on it instea shows like ice road truchers and pawn stars. I suppose you coulse loosly

I agree. I used to love History channel. For the History programs like Civil War Journal. Now I watch more PBS cause History channel has nothing on for m

HusTler

I I think I have had more success finding something good from the History channel from the On-Demand menu, but even that has a very limited selection. Honestly I'm not sure why they even bother having H2 if they don't even have enough good material to fill the original History channel.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 11 2015 07:23 pm

The way things have gone with TV, I don't watch a whole lot of TV these days anyway. More and more, I've been going the "chord cutter" route, as now I n longer have any premium TV service - I mainly watch TV over the air, and if there's anything else I want to watch, I often stream content online. I

It seems that these days, alot of the over the air TV get you is of better quality then cable. TV land used to be my goto channel for classic TV, but they seem to have gone in a different direction now. :( Thankfully there seems to be 2 or 3 channels to take it's place. I think two of them are local. On Demand can be nice when it works, but often times it's options are more limited. For a while I made use of streaming services, such as Hulu. It can be a real pain if your internet connection is not good. I found the continuous beffering quite frusterating.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mro to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 11 2015 10:49 pm

i got rid of cable in 2005. when i'm at a friend's house and watch it, i ju cant fucking stand it. i cant stand the pay channels and i cant stand the regular tv channels. too much shit.

i download the few shows i watch.

Not a bad idea. I used to use iTunes to purchase digtal copies of shows and movies. It takes a while to download on a slow connection, but it's much less annoying then the constant buffering that I had to put up with when streaming. Of course my ancent iPod Touch has had issues downloading at times. It will almost be complete, but then will fail and try to start over.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Mon Oct 12 2015 17:45:06

local. On Demand can be nice when it works, but often times it's options are more limited. For a while I made use of streaming services, such as Hulu. It can be a real pain if your internet connection is not good. I found the continuous beffering quite frusterating.

I totally agree, and that's one reason I think physical copies of movies (optical or otherwise) will still have a place in the market for a while, despite what people say about optical formats dying off. An internet connection isn't always reliable, and if you want to watch a movie more than once, I don't think it makes much sense to repeatedly stream it online, unless your ISP doesn't have a bandwidth cap. Even if blu-ray dies off, it would be good to still be able to buy movies on some format you can keep at home, whether it be a USB flash drive, or a downloadable copy that you can store on a hard drive etc. I do like the extras that they often put onto blu-ray/DVD, though. Those are interesting to watch, although I know those provide limited value to the many people who are busy with families, etc..

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Mro on Mon Oct 12 2015 17:52:36

i download the few shows i watch.

Not a bad idea. I used to use iTunes to purchase digtal copies of shows and movies. It takes a while to download on a slow connection, but it's much less annoying then the constant buffering that I had to put up with when streaming. Of course my ancent iPod Touch has had issues downloading at times. It will almost be complete, but then will fail and try to start over.

I haven't purchased videos from the iTunes store before - Does Apple restrict which devices you can play their videos on, or do they simply provide an MP4 file or something that you can play anywhere? I remember they used to have DRM in their music, but I think they removed the DRM some years ago.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Hustler on Mon Oct 12 2015 05:35 pm

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods things cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history.

Don't forget what happned to the MTV Channel.... SUCKS now.. Is there any channel that
follows a theme anymore? I dumped my premium channels.. Only like Game of Thrones
will re-subscribe when it comes back on in April. Got to love on demand won't let you
skip commercials but at least they are short.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Mon Oct 12 2015 05:45 pm

It seems that these days, alot of the over the air TV get you is of better quality then cable.

I was shocked at how many channels I got when I plugged my TV into my roof antenna on a lark. I'm running about $200/month for cable, internet, and phone. Would love to try basic cable, a DSL line from my local customer-focused ISP and netflix.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 07:52 pm

I totally agree, and that's one reason I think physical copies of movies (optical or otherwise) will still have a place in the market for a while, despite what people say about optical formats dying off.

There's a niche for the shows you want to watch and re-watch that may fall off of cable. Battlestar Galactica and a ton of other movies/shows fall off of Netflix regularly to "make room" for other shows.

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I was shocked at how many channels I got when I plugged my TV into my roof antenna on a lark. I'm running about $200/month for cable, internet, and phone. Would love to try basic cable, a DSL line from my local customer-focused ISP and netflix.

Yeah, it can be surprising how many channels you can pick up over the air,
and they provide a nice, digital widescreen picture.

I had basic cable TV (local channels) and internet through Comcast, but I
found that their cable box provided an analog image that was square (not wide-screen).. I can get a better picture over the air than what I was
getting with Comcast's basic cable, so I called them to drop my cable TV service (leaving only the internet service), but they said my bill would increase. Recently I moved to an area where Frontier Fios is available, so I canceled my Comcast account and got set up with Frontier internet. I have
only internet service with Frontier, and I'm paying less than I was paying
with Comcast.

Nightfox

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There's a niche for the shows you want to watch and re-watch that may fall off of cable. Battlestar Galactica and a ton of other movies/shows fall

off

of Netflix regularly to "make room" for other shows.

It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content to "make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do it, but if I'm
paying for a service like that, I'd hope to be able to watch what I want to watch (after all, that's what I'm paying for).

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Timesoarer to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 21:44:16

Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Hustler on Mon Oct 12 2015 05:35 pm

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goo

ods

things cable. For example, the History channel actualy had history.

Don't forget what happned to the MTV Channel.... SUCKS now.. Is there an

ny

channel that
follows a theme anymore? I dumped my premium channels.. Only like Game

e of

Thrones
will re-subscribe when it comes back on in April. Got to love on demand won't let you
skip commercials but at least they are short.
try VH1 we are officially old :)

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Timesoarer to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 09:44 pm

Don't forget what happned to the MTV Channel.... SUCKS now.. Is there any channel that follows a theme anymore? I dumped my premium channels.. Only like Game of Thrones will re-subscribe when it comes back on in April. Got

i dont think mtv even plays videos anymore. not like it used to.
isnt it all shitty mtv original programming?

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Poindexter Fortran to Mr. Cool on Tue Oct 13 2015 06:28 am

I was shocked at how many channels I got when I plugged my TV into my roof antenna on a lark. I'm running about $200/month for cable, internet, and phone. Would love to try basic cable, a DSL line from my local customer-focused ISP and netflix.

with timewarner cable you can get basic cable if you just get internet. you just split it to the tvs.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Oct 13 2015 09:06 am

There's a niche for the shows you want to watch and re-watch that may fall off of cable. Battlestar Galactica and a ton of other movies/shows fall

off

of Netflix regularly to "make room" for other shows.

It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content to
"make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do it, but if I'm paying for a service like that, I'd hope to be able to watch what I
want to watch (after all, that's what I'm paying for).

with netflix you are paying for whatever they give you. that's how it works.

that's why i use 'download'. i can watch whatever i want, when i want.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Poindexter Fortran to Mr. Cool on Tue Oct 13 2015 06:28 am

Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Mon Oct 12 2015 05:45 pm

It seems that these days, alot of the over the air TV get you is of better quality then cable.

I was shocked at how many channels I got when I plugged my TV into my roof antenna on a lark.

Me too! I plugged an ATSC antenna into a new TV and performed a channel scan and it picked up like 200 channels. Besides the main network stations, the others just seem to be foreign language, religion, and home shopping. So 200 channels of crap, but it (mostly) looks good.

I'm running about $200/month for cable, internet, and
phone. Would love to try basic cable, a DSL line from my local customer-focused ISP and netflix.

Where I live DSL is bandwidth limited to like 5Mbps down and 512Kbps up (something like that) *with* transfer limits, which sucks for running public TCP/IP servers. I switched to cable a while back and while it is more expensive, I'm getting a lot more for the money.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Timesoarer to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 21:44:16

Don't forget what happned to the MTV Channel.... SUCKS now.. Is there any channel that follows a theme anymore? I dumped my premium channels.. Only like Game of Thrones will re-subscribe when it comes back on in April. Got to love on demand won't let you skip commercials but at least they are short.

Unfortunately, the channels are only interested in the profit margins of each show. That means that if the space between cost and revenue is larger for the cheap shows, like reality television, they'll go for the cheap-o crap every time.

On the same token, what they all realized early on in the reality-show craze of the late 90s and early 00s is that you can not only get away with all that throwaway stuff, but you can also pad out the margins a little bit more by having shows that are liked a little bit by a HUGE number of people as opposed to shows that are beloved by only a lot of people. So, instead of in-depth historical series on History, you get the false, stay-til-after-the-commercials drama of shows like Ice Road Truckers or Pawn Stars.

(I'll admit to watching Pawn Stars, myself, though I'm under no illusion that it's great television.)

So, this is what caused all of the themed channels to go to broad-based schlock.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 07:56 pm

I haven't purchased videos from the iTunes store before - Does Apple restric

t

which devices you can play their videos on, or do they simply provide an MP4 file or something that you can play anywhere? I remember they used to have

DRM

in their music, but I think they removed the DRM some years ago.

Nightfox

You should be able to play them on anything that runs iTunes of course, but beyond that I don't know if any 3rd party programs are able to play those videos.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Timesoarer to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 09:44 pm

It seems like 10 years ago there was actually still alot of goods
things cable. For example, the History channel actualy had
history.

Don't forget what happned to the MTV Channel.... SUCKS now.. Is there any channel that follows a theme anymore?

I like that rough-around-the-edges feel. UHF stations were my favorite growing up, mostly because they catered to the area. UHF is one of my favorite campy films. Early cable had that same feel, like MTV, and USA Networks -- 120 Minutes and Night Flight were staples of late night TV viewing.

There are a couple of interesting channels now. El Rey is Robert Rodriguez' project, has lots of martial arts films, a tv series of From Dusk til Dawn, and a campy program schedule.

There's a TV Land-like network, forget the name - has binge watching marathons of old series like The Man From Uncle.

Nothing live that I've seen yet.

Don't get me started about community access. Deregulation killed it, but back in the day San Francisco had some great shows. Viacom had a studio they'd loan out for shows, all you had to do was sign up. A friend of mine had a late night talk show complete with a couch, desk and a band. Another guy was a security guard and sent his show in recorded at night while patrolling an apartment complex in a go cart. He did interviews in the pool/game room.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Oct 13 2015 09:05 am

getting with Comcast's basic cable, so I called them to drop my cable TV service (leaving only the internet service), but they said my bill would increase.

That's when you tell them you'd like to cancel, and they'll transfer you to a "customer retention expert". Miraculously, they'll find a deal that's in the ballpark for what you're looking for, as long as you sign another 2 year commitment.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Oct 13 2015 09:06 am

It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content to "make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do it, but if I'm paying for a service like that, I'd hope to be able to watch what I want to watch (after all, that's what I'm paying for).

I'm sure it's more about what they have to pay to license the streaming versus how many people watch it than about actual storage. That's another place where real-world metaphors get applied when it's not applicable.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Tue Oct 13 2015 18:04:11

which devices you can play their videos on, or do they simply provide
an MP4 file or something that you can play anywhere? I remember they

You should be able to play them on anything that runs iTunes of course, but beyond that I don't know if any 3rd party programs are able to play those videos.

That's one reason I tend to avoid the iTunes store and similar stores.. I don't like being restricted on which devices I can use to play the media. I don't even have any Apple devices anymore.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Tue Oct 13 2015 19:07:48

getting with Comcast's basic cable, so I called them to drop my
cable TV service (leaving only the internet service), but they said
my bill would increase.

That's when you tell them you'd like to cancel, and they'll transfer you to a "customer retention expert". Miraculously, they'll find a deal that's in the ballpark for what you're looking for, as long as you sign another 2 year commitment.

Yep.. Funny thing is, after I had canceled my Comcast service and switched to Frontier internet, I got a call from someone at Comcast asking about why I canceled my service - I told them about the high cost at Comcast and about the Frontier "2fast" internet service I have now (the same speed for both upload & download), and the Comcast rep wanted to offer a deal from them, which would still have been a little more than I'm paying for Frontier, and for asymetric internet service (a decent download speed but probably still only 5 megabit upload), so I said no thanks, and I had already switched to Frontier anyway.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Tue Oct 13 2015 19:09:03

It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content
to "make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do
it, but if I'm paying for a service like that, I'd hope to be able
to watch what I want to watch (after all, that's what I'm paying
for).

I'm sure it's more about what they have to pay to license the streaming versus how many people watch it than about actual storage. That's another place where real-world metaphors get applied when it's not applicable.

That may be true.. I can't imagine their storage space is unlimited though - but I suppose they may very well have enough storage space to hold all the video people could want.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Poindexter Fortran to Nightfox on Tue Oct 13 2015 07:07 pm

Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Oct 13 2015 09:05 am

getting with Comcast's basic cable, so I called them to drop my cable TV service (leaving only the internet service), but they said my bill would increase.

That's when you tell them you'd like to cancel, and they'll transfer you to a "customer retention expert". Miraculously, they'll find a deal that's in the ballpark for what you're looking for, as long as you sign another 2
year commitment.

i didnt know they have you do commitments. that's fucking retarded.

with timewarner they jack up your bill every year but you tell them you are going to at&t and they put you on a promo for another year.

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roof antenna on a lark. I'm running about $200/month for cable,
internet, and phone. Would love to try basic cable, a DSL line from my local customer-focused ISP and netflix.

This is exactly what I have been doing for years. I have a good antenna, and Netflix. If you want to make extra sure you got plenty to watch, get the DVD service on top of streaming.

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I had basic cable TV (local channels) and internet through Comcast, but I found that their cable box provided an analog image that was square (not

I noticed this too! They tried to give me like 6 months free basic cable (Comcast) but the day that I plugged in and saw that crappy picture I cancelled. It's crap compared to digital tv broadcast.

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It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content to "make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do it, but

That bugs me too! I don't understand how some guy like me can have a bigger library than Netflix. Maybe I should start streaming my torrented stuff? lol

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with timewarner cable you can get basic cable if you just get internet. you just split it to the tvs.

Yes, Time Warner kicks ass. Comcast used to give me basic cable with my internet, but now they have blocked it somehow.

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: metalhead to Nightfox on Wed Oct 14 2015 08:27:00

I had basic cable TV (local channels) and internet through Comcast,
but I found that their cable box provided an analog image that was
square (not

I noticed this too! They tried to give me like 6 months free basic cable (Comcast) but the day that I plugged in and saw that crappy picture I cancelled. It's crap compared to digital tv broadcast.

I was surprised that they actually try to sell that TV service in this day and age, when you can get a better quality picture for free over the air. I mentioned the low-quality picture to one of their customer service reps on the phone, and he didn't deny it, but he said the way to get a better picture would be to upgrade to their premium TV service. It seems a little shady to me, and a bit of a rip-off.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: metalhead to Nightfox on Wed Oct 14 2015 08:27 am

I noticed this too! They tried to give me like 6 months free basic cable (Comcast) but the day that I plugged in and saw that crappy picture I cancelled. It's crap compared to digital tv broadcast.

...And to add insult to injury, instead of sending an analog and digital signal, so you can get basic channels via the TV's tuner you have to rent Digital Transport Adapters to get a crappy SD picture.

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to metalhead on Wed Oct 14 2015 08:00 am

on the phone, and he didn't deny it, but he said the way to get a better picture would be to upgrade to their premium TV service. It seems a little shady to me, and a bit of a rip-off.

Yeah, way shady. I don't think Comcast offers basic HD service, you need to get a DVR to get HD.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Tue Oct 13 2015 06:04 pm

You should be able to play them on anything that runs
beyond that I don't know if any 3rd party programs are
videos.

For the Mac, there is plenty of software to convert to MP4. I usually go the other way, converting MP4's into my iTunes library so they can be played on all my iStuff or Apple TV box that both TV's have. I use a program called iVI to do that. It does everything automagically, even embedding the meta data. Also grab what I can off the air as it is uncompressed. Have an HDHomeRun tuner connected to network and antenna. I use EyeTV running on a Mac as a "DVR" for that. Can get to it to watch shows, live, recorded and schedule new recordings with iStuff either via LAN or away from home across the internet. We have 200 Mb/s Cox cable internet here. Surprised nobody has mentioned XBMC/Kodi yet. Kodi is running on all our computers, Amazon Kindles, Raspberry Pi's, and Amazon Fire Stick (wonderful and cheap device btw).

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: metalhead to Nightfox on Wed Oct 14 2015 08:28 am

It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content to "make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do it,
but

That bugs me too! I don't understand how some guy like me can have a bigger library than Netflix. Maybe I should start streaming my torrented stuff?
lol

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get a better picture would be to upgrade to their premium TV service.
It seems a little shady to me, and a bit of a rip-off.

It's greed. Why not offer the internet-only customers some free local
channels, in HD for sure, and then be like "We hope you're enjoying your complimentary local channels, here's a special offer on tv service!"

My only other suspicion is that by giving us free local channels, they're taking away from the bandwidth for tv-subscribers?

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: metalhead to Nightfox on Wed Oct 14 2015 20:13:00

get a better picture would be to upgrade to their premium TV
service. It seems a little shady to me, and a bit of a rip-off.

It's greed. Why not offer the internet-only customers some free local channels, in HD for sure, and then be like "We hope you're enjoying your complimentary local channels, here's a special offer on tv service!"

I'm not sure I'd consider them "free", as I was paying for the basic cable service, and basic cable with them is local channels only (or so I believe). The only reason I got their TV service in the first place was because
sometimes over-the-air channels are glitchy when the signal isn't very good, and I wanted to avoid that. But depending on where you are, if you position your antenna just right, channels often come in fairly well. Lately my over-the-air channels have been coming in great, so I didn't mind ditching the cable TV service. I'm glad I switched over to Frontier with just internet, as I'm saving money now compared to Comcast.

My only other suspicion is that by giving us free local channels, they're taking away from the bandwidth for tv-subscribers?

I suppose it's a convenience to have the local channels. Without the local channels, you'd have to switch your TV to the antenna. But part of the advantage of having a premium TV service is having great reception through your TV provider (vs. over the air), so it's good to have those local channels there.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: metalhead to Nightfox on Wed Oct 14 2015 08:28 am

It bugs me that Netflix and other streaming services remove content to "make room" for other content. I suppose I can see why they do it, but

That bugs me too! I don't understand how some guy like me can have a bigger library than Netflix. Maybe I should start streaming my torrented stuff? lol

yeah, it's called Plex! :-)

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Timesoarer to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 09:44 pm

Don't forget what happned to the MTV Channel.... SUCKS now.. Is there any ch

annel that


God, I miss when MTV actually played MUSIC instead of all the "reality" show garbage. Likewise, I miss when the HISTORY Channel used to run HISTORY documentaries. They used to run so many WW2 documentaries that people jokingly called them the "Hitler Channel". At least it was entertaining and educational. I also love American Civil War documentaries. The pinnacle, of course, being PBS's Ken Burn's Civil War, but the History Channel used to have quite a bit of material on the ACW. I've had the DVD boxset of Ken Burn's Civil War for a long time, but just picked up the bluray set not too long ago. The material isn't dramatically improved, but there is a lot of extra material such as the full interview with Shelby Foote, which is worth the price alone. I've read quite a few of his books and he was a great story teller.

History Channel these days is that "Ancient Aliens" garbage. When you thought TV couldn't be dumbed down any further, they prove us wrong!

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Digital Man to metalhead on Wed Oct 14 2015 21:45:16

That bugs me too! I don't understand how some guy like me can have a
bigger library than Netflix. Maybe I should start streaming my
torrented stuff? lol

yeah, it's called Plex! :-)

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you used PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Oct 15 2015 07:55 am

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you used PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

I don't know, but now I have visions of BBSes in a mesh network streaming terabytes of videos to the sysops...

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Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you

used

PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

I don't know, but now I have visions of BBSes in a mesh network streaming terabytes of videos to the sysops...

Stream all the videos!
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of the advantage of having a premium TV service is having great
reception through your TV provider (vs. over the air), so it's good to have those local channels there.

So Comcast has failed the test.. But I'm leaning towards Direct TV. I know they get a lot of complaints, but if they want to give me a good price & HD
at no extra cost, I think that's decent.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Tue Oct 13 2015 08:24 pm

That's one reason I tend to avoid the iTunes store and similar stores.. I don't like being restricted on which devices I can use to play the media. I don't even have any Apple devices anymore.

You can actually buy movies with Xfinity On Demand now, but I've wondered what happens when you cancel your Comcast account. I suppose you would still have to have access to an account to be able to access them. That could be alot of no longer paying customers using your service.

I'm not a big apple user, but I still have an iPod Touch. I used to make regular purchases for shows and movies. Unfortionatlly I don't have any other device I can play it on. I've tried using wine to install iTunes more then once I believe, but had no succes.

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Oct 15 2015 07:55 am

Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Digital Man to metalhead on Wed Oct 14 2015 21:45:16

That bugs me too! I don't understand how some guy like me can have a
bigger library than Netflix. Maybe I should start streaming my
torrented stuff? lol

yeah, it's called Plex! :-)

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you used PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

try it out for yourself. it's easy. plex has its quirks, but it's not bad. playon i couldnt get to install. cant remember the error msg, but i dropped it.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Thu Oct 15 2015 17:48:15

You can actually buy movies with Xfinity On Demand now, but I've wondered what happens when you cancel your Comcast account. I suppose you would still have to have access to an account to be able to access them. That could be alot of no longer paying customers using your service.

Yeah, I wonder how that works.. Similarly, Amazon.com lets you buy movies from their library, but I wonder what happens if you don't have their Prime streaming service.
For that reason, I tend to avoid buying movies that are part of a subscription service. I prefer having a physical copy of a movie, or at least a video file I can store on a hard drive or other media & play anywhere.

I'm not a big apple user, but I still have an iPod Touch. I used to make regular purchases for shows and movies. Unfortionatlly I don't have any other device I can play it on. I've tried using wine to install iTunes more then once I believe, but had no succes.

Sounds like Apple still has restrictions on what devices you can play their media on.. I'm sure someone has probably come up with a way to defeat that though. I wonder if there's software you can download that can convert your iTunes movies to another format that you can play anywhere.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Oct 15 2015 07:55 am

Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Digital Man to metalhead on Wed Oct 14 2015 21:45:16

That bugs me too! I don't understand how some guy like me can have a
bigger library than Netflix. Maybe I should start streaming my
torrented stuff? lol

yeah, it's called Plex! :-)

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you used PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

I haven't used PlayOn. They do sound similar and there are popular comparisons: https://www.wackbag.com/threads/playon-vs-plex.155122/

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Oct 15 2015 07:55 am

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you used PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

Plex blows away any "Stream your shit anywhere" application I've ever used. You really need a decent upstream speed to enjoy the stream to your cell
phone or non-LAN device, but if you just want to stream to devices on your LAN, you can't beat Plex for ease of setup and the fact that it easily identifies the files on any drive in your network and organizes all the videos into one easy to use menu app that seems to be available on just about any streaming media device.

MOST of the streaming apps do not require the paid Plex subscription. I got the sub for a couple months then stopped and have been using the free version of Plex for years. Doesn't hurt to install and try it out. I like that I can go to plex.tv, login and see all my streaming devices, just like as if I was at home.

I've tried setting up a ton of DVR/Streaming server apps, Plex is just hands down so much better than anything else out there.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 11 2015 20:23:00

The way things have gone with TV, I don't watch a whole lot of TV these days anyway. More and more, I've been going the "chord cutter" route, as now I n

I don't watch TV either. It's usually movies from the Apple TV box, if that.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Mon Oct 12 2015 20:52:00

I totally agree, and that's one reason I think physical copies of movies (optical or otherwise) will still have a place in the market for a while,

One thing about pysical copies is that when you are done with the movie, you can re-sell it, or just give it away to a friend, or even donate it to these second hand recycling shops here.

I give away or sell my useless stuff once in a while at the office, not only DVD's, but also CD's, old PC's, computer games, cables and books. If there is anything left after 'the office horde', it goes to second hand recycling.

As you can imagine, I don't collect that much stuff.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Gumbro to Nightfox on Sat Oct 17 2015 06:30:00

One thing about pysical copies is that when you are done with the movie, you can re-sell it, or just give it away to a friend, or even donate it to these second hand recycling shops here.

That's true. Physical copies can be resold easily, whereas I'm not sure if you can easily sell an online downloaded copy that you purchased.

I give away or sell my useless stuff once in a while at the office, not only DVD's, but also CD's, old PC's, computer games, cables and books. If there is anything left after 'the office horde', it goes to second hand recycling.

That's cool. The people I work with at my office don't really buy & sell stuff from each other, but I believe my company does have an internal web site where you can buy, sell, & trade stuff with other employees.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Gumbro on Sat Oct 17 2015 12:40 pm

One thing about pysical copies is that when you are done with the movie, you can re-sell it, or just give it away to a friend, or even donate it to these second hand recycling shops here.

That's true. Physical copies can be resold easily, whereas I'm not sure if you can easily sell an online downloaded copy that you purchased.

according to 'them' selling physical copies might not even be legal though.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Gumbro to Nightfox on Sat Oct 17 2015 06:30 am

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No one is going to be able to reach your BBS at that address except you (or users on your LAN). See http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:tcpip#private_ip for details.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Oct 18 2015 01:36:03

That's true. Physical copies can be resold easily, whereas I'm not
sure if you can easily sell an online downloaded copy that you
purchased.

according to 'them' selling physical copies might not even be legal though.

Huh? So you're saying if you buy a movie on DVD or blu-ray, it might be illegal to resell it? I don't see why that would be.. And I've sold many of my blu-ray & DVD movies (on eBay, etc.) and have never run into any trouble selling them.

As far as I know, the only legally questionable thing would be if you were to make copies of a movie and were trying to sell the copies.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Oct 18 2015 07:28 am

according to 'them' selling physical copies might not even be legal though.

Huh? So you're saying if you buy a movie on DVD or blu-ray, it might be illegal to resell it? I don't see why that would be.. And I've sold many of my blu-ray & DVD movies (on eBay, etc.) and have never run into any trouble selling them.

that's what sony was trying to say years ago. it still might all be up in the air.

they were also saying that you shouldnt be able to make one copy to
backup your dvd because prices were so cheap that you could buy a new movie.

it's all open to interpretation i'm sure with all the different federal and state and international laws bumping heads.

just do what you want!

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mro to Nightfox on Sun Oct 18 2015 11:58:01

Huh? So you're saying if you buy a movie on DVD or blu-ray, it might
be illegal to resell it? I don't see why that would be.. And I've
sold many of my blu-ray & DVD movies (on eBay, etc.) and have never
run into any trouble selling them.

that's what sony was trying to say years ago. it still might all be up in the air.

Come to think of it, I do seem to remember reading that some companies were saying that they don't like people selling used copies of movies, because they only make money from the original sale when they are new. I think their argument was that a sale is a sale, and they felt like they should get money for all sales of a movie - And I could see them trying to argue that they feel it's wrong for a store owner or private seller to profit from a sale of something that someone else made (even though they're still losing money, since the used sale price is almost always less than what they paid for it new).

they were also saying that you shouldnt be able to make one copy to
backup your dvd because prices were so cheap that you could buy a new movie.

it's all open to interpretation i'm sure with all the different federal and state and international laws bumping heads.

just do what you want!

Yep. I think fair use should allow people to make a backup copy, or to make a copy that they can easily play on a media server, etc..
I suppose one issue that could arise is if you make a backup copy and you lose the original or the original is destroyed, how do you prove that you legally purchased a copy? I suppose for that situation, you'd want to save all of your receipts..

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mro on Sun Oct 18 2015 07:28 am

according to 'them' selling physical copies might not even be legal though.

Huh? So you're saying if you buy a movie on DVD or blu-ray, it might be illegal to resell it? I don't see why that would be.. And I've sold many o my blu-ray & DVD movies (on eBay, etc.) and have never run into any trouble selling them.

As far as I know, the only legally questionable thing would be if you were t make copies of a movie and were trying to sell the copies.

If it were not legal, I think thrift stores would end up in quite a bit of trouble.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Sun Oct 18 2015 18:25:09

Huh? So you're saying if you buy a movie on DVD or blu-ray, it might
be illegal to resell it? I don't see why that would be.. And I've
sold many o my blu-ray & DVD movies (on eBay, etc.) and have never run
into any trouble selling them.

As far as I know, the only legally questionable thing would be if you
were t make copies of a movie and were trying to sell the copies.

If it were not legal, I think thrift stores would end up in quite a bit of trouble.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 18 2015 21:25:00

If it were not legal, I think thrift stores would end up in quite a bit trouble.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

It is legal. The same argument can be applied to all purchased goods.

Rented and licenced stuff is a different case, of course. Need to check the fine print on iTunes.

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If it were not legal, I think thrift stores would end up in quite

a

bit trouble.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

It is legal. The same argument can be applied to all purchased goods.

Yeah, I knew it was legal.. The idea that it might be illegal seemed a bit odd.

Nightfox

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 18 2015 08:25 pm

If it were not legal, I think thrift stores would end up in quite a
bit of trouble.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

i was talking about how the industry sees it.
they said you shouldnt sell your products, they say you shouldnt make copies.

regarding it being legal or not, no clue. there could be different laws on a federal and state level.

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Gumbro to Nightfox on Mon Oct 19 2015 03:05 pm

Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Mr. Cool on Sun Oct 18 2015 21:25:00

If it were not legal, I think thrift stores would end up in quite a bit trouble.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

It is legal. The same argument can be applied to all purchased goods.

Rented and licenced stuff is a different case, of course. Need to check the fine print on iTunes.

time to change your tagline. it's saying local ip address

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Digital Man to Gumbro on Sun Oct 18 2015 01:00:00

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No one is going to be able to reach your BBS at that address except you (or users on your LAN). See http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:tcpip#private_ip for details.

Actually I have no idea where that local IP address comes from. I'm not the owner of the BBS (Nostromo BBS) I'm on when writing this. Probably a configuration issue?
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Re: Down the crapper
By: Gumbro to Digital Man on Fri Oct 30 2015 03:59 pm

Re: Down the crapper
By: Digital Man to Gumbro on Sun Oct 18 2015 01:00:00

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No one is going to be able to reach your BBS at that address except you (or users on your LAN). See http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:tcpip#private_ip for details.

Actually I have no idea where that local IP address comes from. I'm not the owner of the BBS (Nostromo BBS) I'm on when writing this. Probably a configuration issue?

Yes, definitely a configuration issue. It's more of an advert than anything. It's akin to having a billboard with the wrong phone number on it. Sorry I thought you were the sysop. Most posts these days are from sysops! :-)

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Gumbro to Digital Man on Fri Oct 30 2015 03:59 pm

Re: Down the crapper
By: Digital Man to Gumbro on Sun Oct 18 2015 01:00:00

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No one is going to be able to reach your BBS at that address except you (or users on your LAN). See http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:tcpip#private_ip for details.

Actually I have no idea where that local IP address comes from. I'm not the owner of the BBS (Nostromo BBS) I'm on when writing this. Probably a configuration issue?
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Isn't this the default QWK tagline?

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Kitster to Gumbro on Fri Oct 30 2015 05:23 pm

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Isn't this the default QWK tagline?

it shows that the sysop didnt enter in his domain name

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Re: Down the crapper
By: Kitster to Gumbro on Fri Oct 30 2015 17:23:00

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Isn't this the default QWK tagline?

No idea. I changed the signature from the menu, hopefully the default is gone now.
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Re: Down the crapper
By: Gumbro to Kitster on Sat Oct 31 2015 06:54 pm

Re: Down the crapper
By: Kitster to Gumbro on Fri Oct 30 2015 17:23:00

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Isn't this the default QWK tagline?

No idea. I changed the signature from the menu, hopefully the default is gone now.

The tagline is the same. The tagline is set by the sysop. If you are not the sysop, then you cannot fix it.

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Thu Oct 15 2015 07:55 am

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you used PlayOn? I'm curious how Plex compares to PlayOn.

Plex is great. I subscribe to it. Much better than PlayOn.

I also have a put.io account, and there is a Plex plugin to stream media directly from put.io. It means never having to torrent from the
house :)

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Knight to Nightfox on Wed Mar 16 2016 02:44 am

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you

Plex is great. I subscribe to it. Much better than PlayOn.

I have a MyCloud Mirror by Western Digital and installed the Plex app. It streams music flawlessy. However, it doesn't stream any of the movies I have in storage. One of the files is only 5-MB and Plex can't stream it I get a message something to the effect of not having enough machine to stream it.

I am able to stream some files using the Roku Media Player however.

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Vectorgamer to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 12:38 pm

I have a MyCloud Mirror by Western Digital and installed the Plex app. It streams music flawlessy. However, it doesn't stream any of the movies I have in storage. One of the files is only 5-MB and Plex can't stream it I get a message something to the effect of not having enough machine to stream it.

Yeah a lot of NASes are not powerful enough to do the transcoding necessary to stream a lot of formats. I have specifically been holding off so that I can get
a beefy one that can transcode HD video with ease.

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Knight to Nightfox on Wed Mar 16 2016 02:44:40

Plex is great. I subscribe to it. Much better than PlayOn.

It seems to me that one thing PlayOn does that Plex doesn't do is transcode media from TV network sites so you can watch them on your TV and not be restricted to streaming them on a PC. With PlayOn, for instance, I found I could watch the whole library of The Outer Limits (1990s series), I think from Syfy.com (I don't remember for sure though) on my TV, and I could also browse NBC and watch their Saturday Night Live clips on my TV, etc., where they normally don't let you stream on a TV. I know Plex has TV station links, but
I haven't seen many TV stations available for streaming through Plex.

I also have a put.io account, and there is a Plex plugin to stream media directly from put.io. It means never having to torrent from the house :)

That's cool. I should look into that.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Down the crapper
By: Knight to Nightfox on Wed Mar 16 2016 02:44 am

Plex sounds a lot like PlayOn, which I use occasionally. Have you

Plex is great. I subscribe to it. Much better than PlayOn.

I have a MyCloud Mirror by Western Digital and installed the Plex app.

It

streams music flawlessy. However, it doesn't stream any of the movies I

have

in storage. One of the files is only 5-MB and Plex can't stream it I get

a

message something to the effect of not having enough machine to stream

it.

I am able to stream some files using the Roku Media Player however.

If whatever you are playing back on doesn't have the juice to handle the original stream, the plex server has to re-encode it... if the host server doesn't have the CPU overhead to do this, you're SOL... plex really
requires a decent server for transcoding.

Part of the reason I keep coming back to a full HTPC after several
"lighter" options...

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