In this episode, Stephen and I discuss our initial impressions and observations of Microsoft Windows 10 (for desktop PCs).
http://mp3.techdorks.net/episodes/techdorks-2015-08-11-ep5.mp3
I also recorded face/screen-capture video of my side of this conversation and put it on YouTube at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2yS_EH1H8
Re: Episode 5: Windows 10
By: Digital Man to TechDorks on Tue Aug 11 2015 19:22:37
In this episode, Stephen and I discuss our initial impressions and observations of Microsoft Windows 10 (for desktop PCs).
http://mp3.techdorks.net/episodes/techdorks-2015-08-11-ep5.mp3
I also recorded face/screen-capture video of my side of this conversation and put it on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2yS_EH1H8
It was interesting to hear your discussion on Windows 10. I upgraded to Windows 10 recently and agree that Microsoft seems to be copying Apple regarding some things. Also I'm not sure why Microsoft keeps moving the settings & things around, but overall I like Windows 10 better than 8.1. I was also using the Classic Shell Start menu in Windows 8.1 on my laptop, but now I'm not sure if I want to use that or stick with the built-in Windows 10 Start menu. I do like the Task View feature in Windows 10, which lets you see your open windows and work with multiple desktops. Task View, to me, also looks very similar to one of the features in Mac OS X.
I did the upgrade to Windows 10, but I'm debating whether to do a clean install so that I can start fresh. I've noticed that right-clicking on some types of files is still somewhat slow, and if I need to delete some files from Program Files (i.e., after I uninstall something that doesn't fully clean itself), I'm unable to delete from Program Files using Explorer, even when it asks for elevated privileges. I can still use the commmand prompt (as Administrator) to delete such files though.
I did the upgrade to Windows 10, but I'm debating whether to do a
clean install so that I can start fresh. I've noticed that
right-clicking on some types of files is still somewhat slow, and if I
I have the same slow right-clicking on a file issue on my main Win 8.1 system and I'm not sure when it started or what's happening, but it is irritating. Its so hard to tell what behaviors are the result of upgrading Windows (or installing updates) or the installation of 3rd party software (many programs have "shell extensions" which modify the behavior of right-clicking on files, for example).
All in all, it seems Microsoft is
handling the upgrade of Windows much better than it has in years past where it was just a flat-out bad idea to try to in-place upgrade from XP to Vista (for example).
behavior of right-clicking on files, for example). All in all, it
seems Microsoft is handling the upgrade of Windows much better than it
has in years past where it was just a flat-out bad idea to try to
in-place upgrade from XP to Vista (for example).
Hello Digital,
On 12 Aug 15 17:16, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox:
behavior of right-clicking on files, for example). All in all, it
seems Microsoft is handling the upgrade of Windows much better than it has in years past where it was just a flat-out bad idea to try to in-place upgrade from XP to Vista (for example).
Or installing Vista in general. :)
Is there an option to grab a full install of Windows 10 rather than upgrading from your current version?
If so, I may be inclined to try it,
but right now my
8.1 install is working flawlessly and don't care for headaches.
Is there an option to grab a full install of Windows 10 rather than upgrading from your current version? If so, I may be inclined to try it, but right now my 8.1 install is working flawlessly and don't care for headaches.
Is there an option to grab a full install of Windows 10 rather than upgrading from your current version? If so, I may be inclined to try it, but right now my
8.1 install is working flawlessly and don't care for headaches.
The only issues I ran into were Audio drivers never seem to install correctly. Find Win10 audio drivers before upgrading. Just in case. Same with Video drivers. I had an unsupported (past Win7) Creative Labs X-Fi gamer card, but found on the forums there were some unsupported Win8/10 drivers which worked flawlessly.
The whole "Free Upgrade" seems highly suspect to me though. After the first year. If I have to reinstall Win10, does that mean I'll have to go buy a copy? MS doesn't give you a key after you've upgraded to Win10, so after the first year any re-installs you need to do means you'll need a Win10 Key. I guess it's a good a time as any to get a new system. Probably their intention. On the other hand does that mean that anyone who got a system with a "Free Win 10" upgrade better hope they don't crash after year 1?
You can make stand-alone install media, as Digital Man said. I
believe you do need your Windows key though - I'm not sure if the
Windows 10 keys are different from keys for previous versions of
Windows, but I'd guess that they are different. You can easily
retrieve your Windows 10 key after upgrading, but I'm not sure if
there's an easy way to get your Windows 10 key before you upgrade.
I'm actually hooked on Win10, I have 3 systems at home and I just talked my boss into letting me upgrade a bunch of Win7 systems at the office.
Hello Nightfox,
On 19 Aug 15 12:48, Nightfox wrote to Accession:
You can make stand-alone install media, as Digital Man said. I
believe you do need your Windows key though - I'm not sure if the Windows 10 keys are different from keys for previous versions of Windows, but I'd guess that they are different. You can easily retrieve your Windows 10 key after upgrading, but I'm not sure if there's an easy way to get your Windows 10 key before you upgrade.
My new machine came with Win8.1 preloaded and no sticker. So I'm guessing it's one of the newer ones that has the product key embedded in the BIOS. Eh well, I'm in no rush to upgrade as of yet. I was just wondering if it was possible to
install a full Win10 package, rather than upgrading.. is all.
Also, I don't think the Windows product key is stored in the machine's BIOS. At least, I haven't heard of that before. I imagine Windows probably stores the key in the registry somewhere (or perhaps in a file somewhere).
Is there an option to grab a full install of Windows 10 rather than upgrading from your current version? If so, I may be inclined to try it, but right now my
8.1 install is working flawlessly and don't care for headaches.
You can make stand-alone install media, as Digital Man said. I believe you do need your Windows key though - I'm not sure if the Windows 10 keys are different from keys for previous versions of Windows, but I'd guess that they are different. You can easily retrieve your Windows 10 key after upgrading, but I'm not sure if there's an easy way to get your Windows 10 key before you upgrade.
You can make stand-alone install media, as Digital Man said. I
believe you do need your Windows key though - I'm not sure if the
Windows 10 keys are different from keys for previous versions of
Windows, but I'd guess that they are different. You can easily
retrieve your Windows 10 key after upgrading, but I'm not sure if
there's an easy way to get your Windows 10 key before you upgrade.
If you're upgrading (as I did), you don't need to enter a key.
Right on. I'd just like to do the full install, rather than upgrade.. seems things can and have been missed in the early release days. I have a legit Win8.1, but I never got a key, it was preinstalled, I have a restore disk, and have no idea how to get my key because there's no sticker on my tower, and I'm sketchy about using 3rd party programs to find out information about my OWN PC.
Also, I don't think the Windows product key is stored in the machine's
BIOS. At least, I haven't heard of that before. I imagine Windows
probably stores the key in the registry somewhere (or perhaps in a
file somewhere).
Pretty much any PC sold in the last few years has the license key embeded in the UEFI firmware. You can still retrive the key post-install from the registry, but it is infact stored in the EFI (usually).
Is there an option to grab a full install of Windows 10 rather than
upgrading from your current version? If so, I may be inclined to
try it, but right now my
8.1 install is working flawlessly and don't care for headaches.
You can make stand-alone install media, as Digital Man said. I
believe you do need your Windows key though - I'm not sure if the
Windows 10 keys are different from keys for previous versions of
Windows, but I'd guess that they are different. You can easily
retrieve your Windows 10 key after upgrading, but I'm not sure if
there's an easy way to get your Windows 10 key before you upgrade.
If you're upgrading (as I did), you don't need to enter a key.
and I'm sketchy about using 3rd party programs to find out information about my OWN PC.
lol. *shrug*
Eh well. I'm completely up to date on this machine, and have had no bugger about any kind of upgrade to Win10.. So I'll leave it at that for now. Still like 11 months left of this free thing.. so may as well let them fix anything that needs fixing before upgrading. :)
:) Makes sense.
My laptop came with Windows 8.1, and I was eager to move away from
Win8.x though.. The upgrade from Windows 8.1 to 10 went very smoothly
on my laptop, and I've had no issues with it on my laptop so far. I'm liking Windows 10 better than 8.1.
The whole "Free Upgrade" seems highly suspect to me though. After the first year. If I have to reinstall Win10, does that mean I'll have to go buy a cop MS doesn't give you a key after you've upgraded to Win10, so after the first year any re-installs you need to do means you'll need a Win10 Key. I guess i
It's not like microsoft to give stuff away. In another 2 years it will probably cost $9.99 per year to keep Windows 10 up to date. We'll just have to wait and see.
It's not like microsoft to give stuff away. In another 2 years it will
probably cost $9.99 per year to keep Windows 10 up to date. We'll just
have to wait and see.
well they are there to make money. people arent updating and it's causing problems for everyone, so they are trying a new strategy, i guess.
I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.
I've never seen a version of Windows that has an option to revert to the previous version of Windows.. You can choose to install the upgrade, but it doesn't have a "revert to previous version" option. It's not really any different from what Microsoft has done before. That's why it's always good to make a backup before you upgrade.
well they are there to make money. people arent updating and it's causing problems for everyone, so they are trying a new strategy, i guess.
I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.
I've never seen a version of Windows that has an option to revert to
the previous version of Windows.. You can choose to install the
upgrade, but it doesn't have a "revert to previous version" option.
It's not really any different from what Microsoft has done before.
That's why it's always good to make a backup before you upgrade.
I've seen it every time I did an in-place upgrade... usually in the add/remove software bit there's an option to remove the old OS files.
In my Windows 10 upgraded system, I can to Settings -> Update & Security
Recovery -> "Go back to Windows 8.1".
It does say it's only going to be there for a month though, so it looks like the manually having to remove the old OS files is gone, and it's done automatically now.
I've never seen a version of Windows that has an option to revert toI've seen it every time I did an in-place upgrade... usually in the add/remove software bit there's an option to remove the old OS files.
the previous version of Windows.. You can choose to install the
upgrade, but it doesn't have a "revert to previous version" option.
I've never seen a version of Windows that has an option to revert to
the previous version of Windows.. You can choose to install the
upgrade, but it doesn't have a "revert to previous version" option.
I've seen it every time I did an in-place upgrade... usually in the add/remove software bit there's an option to remove the old OS files.
So you're saying if I upgrade to Windows 10, I'll have the option to remove it and go back to Windows 7? Could it possibly that simple?
I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.
I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how
Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in
the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.
If a company works so hard to force people to upgrade to something like that, it can't be a good thing.
I'm all for companies making money. I'm just dissapointed how
Microsoft wants to shove Windows 10 down my throat. It was a pain in
the arse to completly remove the Windows 10 upgrade from my machine.
If a company works so hard to force people to upgrade to something like that, it can't be a good thing.
Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
i Think they try to control/limit your Life
it sure i am looking more to MAC
Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
I do like the fact that OS X is based on a variant of BSD, so all the GNU command-line tools etc. are there.
Still better than Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
I do like the fact that OS X is based on a variant of BSD, so all the
GNU command-line tools etc. are there.
Heh, I'm the exact opposite... I hate that despite being based on a BSD variant, it used the GNU tools instead of the BSD ones.
How about "Linux kernel with GNO add-ons?"
Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
i Think they try to control/limit your Life
it sure i am looking more to MAC
12-26-15 [23:32:50] <*******> only difference is that it has a built-in battery vs. using AA batteries
Personally I still prefer a mouse with a cable so that I don't have to
worry about replacing its batteries. Usually I don't sit so far away from the computer that I wished I had a wireless mouse/keyboard. I think the
Apple seems to like to make things difficult to service when you need to. I'm sure that built-in battery can't be easily replaced. It's probably a rechargeable battery, but what happens when it stops holding a charge?
Apple probably expects you to take it to an Apple service specialist who charges a lot to replace the battery, or just replace the mouse.
"GNO Way!" :-)Not sure if I'd rather have it with GNU or GMOs... FSF or Monsanto is a tough choice.
Win 10 it's the Worse windows , of all time
not helping users , bad GUI , Bad Fonction
i Think they try to control/limit your Life
it sure i am looking more to MAC
Still better than Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
Doesn't boot as fast. :)
Personally I still prefer a mouse with a cable so that I don't have
to worry about replacing its batteries. Usually I don't sit so far
away from the computer that I wished I had a wireless mouse/keyboard.
I think the only real scenario where a wireless mouse & keyboard are
useful is with a smart TV, where you'd sit far enough back from it
that you wouldn't want a cable between you and the TV.
It reminds me of some car stereos I've seen that have a remote
control.. What's the use of a remote control when the car stereo
is right in front of you? Perhaps for passengers in the back seat?
i had a nice wireless mouse and keyboard combo. i hate it because the batteries would always die when you needed the keyboard or mouse the most.
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i had a nice wireless mouse and keyboard combo. i hate it because the batteries would always die when you needed the keyboard or mouse the most.
Yeah, never fun when your roommate took the last of the batteries and
you have to find someplace for batteries at 2am when you're working on
a deadline.
When I got a wireless Mouse I left the PS/2 Mouse connected but put iton
the top of the computer case if I needed to use it when/if the Mousebattery
died.
I'm glad I did, it helps being able to use a Mouse while I'm replacing a battery in the other one.
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