Who will you vote for?
1: Donald J Trump [0 0.00%]
2: Joe Biden [1 100.00%] û
Who will you vote for?
1: Donald J Trump [0 0.00%]
2: Joe Biden [1 100.00%] û
I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me up
I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me up every single time Trump lees him have it... I would almost align more with what Biden stands for, IN THIS INSTANCE.. but altho I don't agree with most of what comes out of Trumps mouth... Joe really does seem like he has no idea where he's at.
That being said, I won't vote for Trump either... He does some things that are just unpresidential to me; I couldn't give him a vote in the fall either. Since these are going to be my two options, I'll be staying home this November.
God help us all.
Why are these the only two options?
I'm not sure I really like either of them. There's another person running, Jo Jorgensen. Usually there are more people running, but this year it looks like only those three.. https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020
Why are these the only two options?
I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have added them as well.
Why are these the only two options?
I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have
added them as well.
There are almost always other people running in addition to the main democratic & republican candidates.
I didn't know there were others in the running or I would have added them
as well.
There are almost always other people running in addition to the main democratic & republican candidates.
Re: 2020 Presedential Election
By: paulie420 to Al on Sun Jun 14 2020 07:12 am
I can't answer right now... Biden is so... stupid? Old? It cracks me
up
Biden is only 5 years older than Trump. Joe Biden is 77, and Trump is getting up there in age too, at 74..
I think it important at all times to vote, now maybe more important than ever. Your vote does count, if you vote.
If I do get out and vote, and I agree with you - IT MATTERS, it'll only be to pick the better of two evils.
The last three months of Biden, for me, only changed my mind from thinking he was a strong ex vice-president solid pick... into thinking, like Trump says, that he doesn't even know where he is...
Listen, I am not a Trump supporter - but I'm not a total ANTI-Trumpian eithe however the more he goes on and on I'm thinking Biden is looking better all time. If Trump would have a litle bit of class, and any decency - I'd suppor him much more... I just can't get around the whole HES NOT PRESIDENTIAL thin
Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.
Biden's actually done quite well over the last few weeksa nd
for a month or more before that, he's been quarantined in his home. He's made some execellent speeches in the wake of the Floyd protests, and if he can carry through on his ideas and promises, I think it improve this country for the better.
yes, trump is an asshole, but he also knows how to handle people and he also gets results. maybe it's some type of venting thing, i dunno.
all i know is what he does works and what these other guys do does not work. biden is freaking senile. i'm not even joking. he has 2 brain cells and they are fighting.
I disagree that Trump 'gets things done'... the covid response was horrid; I mean t
shutdown... completely useless and put our economy in the shitter. YES; I'm one of
ones who thought a shutdown was needed... but what was the worst was shutting down
2 months and then throwing it all away like we've done in the past month. How hard is it to make American companies create all the PPE that we needed, and fu
a TRUE shutdown - pay everyones living expenses for 6 months, shut down for 6 month
and HANDLE this thing... really kick its ass... but no, look what we got.
And sure; his business tactics have helped America in ways... however yes, I'm one
the debaters that will argue they are in vain too, in the long run - because NO ONE
will ever continue what Trump started... so all of his advances are gonna go away t
moment Dems **OR** Reps take the office; no one else can be the POTUS in the asshat
way Trump can... so all his unpresidential ways of getting things done - GONE the
moment he's out of office.
Regardless, its looking pretty bleak for him right now - He'll really need to hit
homeruns from here on out to sway the Americans AGAIN. IMO.
what was the worst was shutting down for 2 months and then throwing it all office; no one else can be the POTUS in the asshat way Trump can... so all his unpresidential ways of getting things done - GONE the moment he's out of office.
Regardless, its looking pretty bleak for him right now - He'll really need to hit homeruns from here on out to sway the Americans AGAIN. IMO.
I disagree that Trump 'gets things done'... the covid response was horrid; I mean that shutdown... completely useless and put our economy in the shitter. YES; I'm one of the ones who thought a shutdown was needed... but what was t worst was shutting down for 2 months and then throwing it all away like we'v
done in the past month.
How hard is it to make American companies create all the PPE that we needed, and fund a TRUE shutdown - pay everyones living expenses for 6 months, shut down for 6 months and HANDLE this thing... really kick its ass... but no, lo
You cannot shut a country down for 6 (or three motnhs for that matter) and think you can solve unemployment paying people. When you shut factories down order to avoid the disease, food stops being distributed, medicines stop bei manufactured, and so on. So yeah you may have 30k USD federal money but in t end of the day it is worth crap because you can buy nothing with it. All of that while other geopolitical powers position themselves around the globe wh
If you want an horrid pandemic response, I invite you to see what "horrid" is about next time you travel to Spain.
You cannot shut a country down for 6 (or three motnhs for that matter) and think you can solve unemployment paying people. When you shut factories down in order to avoid the disease, food stops being distributed, medicines stop being manufactured, and so on. So yeah you may have 30k USD federal money but in the end of the day it is worth crap because you can buy nothing with it. All of that while other geopolitical powers position themselves around the globe while you starve in hibernation.
Let me explain something to everone. Every State has the right shut down business, order lock downs etc. States do NOT need permision from the president to do this. BUT. and pay attention. This is a big BUT. Any State that does so will have to use it's own State funds to pay for it. No Federal money is sent to the State unless it's approved by Washington. Stop blaming our President and Call your Governor and tell him/her to shut things down if that's what you want. Of course any Governor is going to to tell you "We don't have the money in our budget to do that". Then the Governor will blame Trump for not sending him/her a few billion dollars. That's politics.
Eh, I disagree.. of course we wouldn't have shut down food, hospitals nor REAL essnentials. But we would have shut down Home Depot... Walmart (one side anyway) and other places that remained open here... I was one of the guys who had to work, because we got nothing... and maybe America doesn't know - but there was effectively NO shutdown -- it was more packed after corona than before...
Without writing a book, you sound intelligent and know that theres a way we could have done a real shutdown - different ideas of how to get from A to Z. I feel like we're still at A because of the way your champion handled this... oh yea, and he's fixing to lose.... I can wait the 5 months to say I told ya so.
Re: 2020 Presedential Election
By: paulie420 to Arelor on Fri Jun 19 2020 06:17 pm
Actually, I have published books, articles and other materials in both Spain and the US, so I have a book. More than one.
Also, I wish I had a champion to defend my interests, but that is not really the case.
Shutting everything down but the strategic sectors is what Spain did. We have had one of the heaviest lockdowns of the 1st world. First, the central government declared Alarm State which is basically martial law without the army. Autonomies (think States) got cancelled and the central government took over. Strategic services (hospitals, protection equipment manufacturers, laboratories) got socialized. People weren't allowed out of their house unless they had a very strong case. Civil Guar (army) got deployed to enforce the lockdown.
Thanks God somebody knows what he is doing, right?
Wrong.
First of all, the emergency unemployment resources targetting people who were losing their jobs to the lockdown are nowhere to be seen. Official word is people is getting paid, extraofficial word from the unemployment center is they can't deal with the avalanche of people claiming they have not ben paid a dime in three months.
Second, there are more things that are strategic than people think. Potatoes are strategic. In order to sustain the potato sector, you need a truck sector. A chemistry sector. Fuel distribution. Telecommunications. Electricists. Engineers. If you declare that only strategic industries are to be kept operational, you have all those people still working... people who goes to the potato field, gets infected, and then returns home and infects people who were doing actual lockdown. With martial_law_lite and everything, Spain has nearly 30k official deadly cases (andd they are likely to be many more, since the government has stoped updating the statistics).
Also, some of the socialized industries were put to half-load. That is, public transport halved the amount of metro trips, for example. Which resulted in the strategic workers having to be crammed in a few buses and wagons because they could not wait and take another less crammed one.
By the 30th day or so hospitals were screwed, they were sending infected people to die at home, many of my friends have no money to buy the groceries or pay rent.
So,
I sympathise with the idea of a long lockdown, but it is a tried idea and I consider it a failed one. The nation is in debt and will be dealing with a EU rescue most likely, people is ruined, people is infected, and while they are declaring the virus is over, my contacts in local hospitals say the damn thing is bouncing back. I think the government is trying to make it look like the problems are over because they just don't have more money to keep as they are.
Conclussion?
I don't know what the solution is, but you are proposing the Spanish route, and the Spanish route leads to infected people and poor people at once. Not that I think the federal governemnt in the US could enforce a lockdown that was 75% as severe as ours... people would get to the streets claiming Trump is a tyrant and a Hitler and whatnot. Actually, they are doing that already without him having to call a heavy lockdown forth (by the way, why is it that people who blames the feds for not enforcing a heavy lockdown are among the people supporting the BLMs on the streets?)
So my proposal is to just come up with another solution. 6 months of lockdown won't make it because you won't get 3 to begin with.
Well, I can argue the differences of Italy and America till I'm blue in the face... such as;
are not Italy... we dwarf them in size, population and financial backing and ability. Of
course, someone (WE) pay for it in the end.. but I retort that America COULD weather the
storm.. could succeed where you say Italy imploded under their shutdown - but honestly, I do
have to;
My original point was that *we shouldn't have shutdown* - damn sure not the way
that Trump 'helped' our society to get thru it. OUR shutdown was a joke - the p
ople who NEED the support hopefully got $1200, a sum that literally does fuckin
nothing... and then 2 months later we throw ALL OF THAT down the drain anyway.
Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-
I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of
states and cities started their own shutdowns before he did.
Honestly, aside from closing the boarders, and making
suggestions, did the Federal Government actually shut much down?
Here in my state, our Governor was the one passing the executive
orders shutting things down. Pretty sure it was that way on the
West Coast also.
OTOH, it is my understanding that some states in the center of
the country never did really have complete shutdowns and, if they
did, they only lasted a month or so. Since I did not hear
anything about federal troops invading the Dakotas to force their compliance, I don't think it was a federal level shutdown.
I should be offended that you think I am Italian. Being regularly mistaken for a Mexican is bad enough already.
But yes, I think Western governments have failed the population when thei failed to inform the population. I would say the CHinesse government failed too, but nobody ever expected them to be truthful to begin with.
I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of states and cities started their own shutdowns before he did. Honestly, aside from closing the boarders, and making suggestions, did the Federal Government actually shut much down?
I am not sure you can blame the shutdown on Trump. A lot of states
Federal Government actually shut much down?
'they came to me and said sir, we have to shut it down.'
'and so we did.'
Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.
On 6/17/2020 10:13 PM, paulie420 wrote:
Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.
https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/
Barring that, the best course is to only slow things down enough to not overwhelm emergency services. Closing major event locations and bars
would likely have been enough. Given initial projections, the fact that
only a bit over 100k have died from this is pretty impressive. It also
looks like later mutations are even less harmful and effective.
"Flatten the curve." was never supposed to stop anything.
Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.
https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/
it's trump or biden.
"Flatten the curve." was never supposed to stop anything.
Agreed. The same idiots complaining about Trump not doing enough are probably the same ones who have been out protesting without masks, going
out and hanging with their buddies on a regular basis, etc. It is sort of like having a war but expecting that there will be no casualties.
OTOH, several hundred could have been potentially saved if governors like Cuomo had used the resources the federal government had given them (the nearly empty hospital ships and pop-up field hospitals) instead of sending the sick elderly back to their nursing homes. They did that in my state also, and several other states with (D) governors.
Wish there were some other choices... jeebus.
https://joj2020.com/about-jo-jorgensen/
it's trump or biden.
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
It would require a 6 week hard lockdown (everyone closed) combined with
2 years of no international travel or trade to end it. That's not something the US public would ever tollerate, or should they.
i'm not going to waste my vote and have biden get in. trump barely got in last time.
TRACKER1 wrote to <=-
it's trump or biden.
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
TRACKER1 wrote to <=-
it's trump or biden.
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TRACKER1 <=-
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...
MRO wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to TRACKER1 on Mon Jul 13 2020 09:09 am
TRACKER1 wrote to <=-
it's trump or biden.
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
Biden repeats what he's told to say. It's almost as if he's a puppet for the kids ruining his party. If he doesn't end up in jail, he'll eventually
just sound like AOC. He'd lose anyway, but being a loud speaker for AOC will only solidify his loss. It's going to be a good November.
it's trump or biden.
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
movement...
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
Can't believe I agree with mro here.
or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.
or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.
Wow, that was a long campaign
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
By: calcmandan to MRO on Tue Jul 14 2020 09:27 pm
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
movement...
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
Can't believe I agree with mro here.
These days, I usually like to look at more than just the main
republican and democratic candidates. Unfortunately, it seems there
are only a couple others running for president, and I'm not sure about
any of them.
or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.
Wow, that was a long campaign
How are things in your neck of the woods? Those kids are crazy in portland.
I've marked PL with a big black mark on my navigation map. Blacklisted. Won't be
flying in anytime soon.
Though I do want to check out Bend. They have the last Blockbuster standing.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
What is PL? Portland? I've never heard Portland referred to as such. PDX, Stumptown, P-Town, Portlandia, etc., yes.. :P
I lived in Bend for about a year in 2008 when I had a job there. I
moved back to the Portland area after I was laid off. I thought Bend
was a nice area. It doesn't get much rain though, so much of the area tends to be brown and grey..
What is PL? Portland? I've never heard Portland referred to as
such. PDX, Stumptown, P-Town, Portlandia, etc., yes.. :P
I type PL = Portland for no other reason than I can think beyond lazy and a bit of disdain.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
What does laziness have to do with it? PL is actaully fewer characters than PDX and the others, so if if you're referring to lazy typing, PL would actually be the fastest to type compared to the other names I mentioned..
Portland has its negative points right now, but so do most places.
Overall I still like the area. I try to focus on the positive most of
the time.
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
movement...
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
CALCMANDAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TRACKER1 <=-
Then you're part of the problem... while I'd rather have Trump over
Biden, I cannot bring myself to actually vote FOR either of them.
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist movement...
Too bad it comes to that these days. I'm too young to have had a real choice, in
the matter, for President. Living in California at the age of
forty-six, my voice doesn't exist nor does my choice. This state has descended into a real cesspool now. The only thing keeping me here is
my family. If my mother finally decides to pick up and move to a nice conservative state (there are many choices
available), then the spouse and I will be selling and moving. Next
month we'll be exploring Nevada. It's desert but, we'll survive if it's near the Sierra. And
a flight in my plane is about twenty-five minutes to where I live now.
So even if I have to come into the office it won't be a major hassle.
Biden repeats what he's told to say. It's almost as if he's a puppet
for the kids ruining his party. If he doesn't end up in jail, he'll eventually just sound like AOC. He'd lose anyway, but being a loud
speaker for AOC will only solidify his loss. It's going to be a good November.
Trump 2020
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NIGHTFOX wrote to CALCMANDAN <=-
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
movement...
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
Can't believe I agree with mro here.
These days, I usually like to look at more than just the main
republican and democratic candidates. Unfortunately, it seems there
are only a couple others running for president, and I'm not sure about
any of them.
ENNEV wrote to THE LIZARD MASTER <=-
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or Kanye, oh wait nope, he's already out.
Wow, that was a long campaign
DENN wrote to <=-
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
I don't trust these liberals now.
Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
By: MRO to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jul 14 2020 03:29 am
I'll be voting for Trump, as a vote against Biden and the Socialist
movement...
thats the only good choice. trump has done a lot of good in a little
amount of time. fucking joejoe has no chance.
Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
I don't trust these liberals now.
yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some people might vote for their other family members.
Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..
Denn wrote to MRO <=-
Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
I don't trust these liberals now.
yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some people might vote for their other family members.
Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..
I believe both Trump and Pence have voted by mail too. It's pretty common, just in a pandemic they want to make sure everyone has access.
I voted 3rd party last time, but I'm too concerned about Biden to NOT vote for Trump...
.... unless you are not a Lefty, then it is dead wrong.Well the way the Democrats are starting to cheat with the vote by mail and other schemes he might have a cheaters chance.
I don't trust these liberals now.
I have't trusted the Lefties for a long time now. Ever since I realized that:
1. They were no longer classical liberals
2. They don't believe that telling a lie is wrong.
Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
By: MRO to Denn on Mon Jul 20 2020 09:32 pm
yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's fast
and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they look
you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by mail some
people might vote for their other family members.
Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for years..
Re: Re: 2020 Presedential Ele
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jul 20 2020 08:56 pm
yeah they are really pushing for vote by mail. when i vote it's
fast and easy. there's no big lines and it takes like 5 mins. they
look you up in the book and hand you your slip. with voting by
mail some people might vote for their other family members.
Pushing? Where I am, we've already been doing vote by mail for
years..
I believe both Trump and Pence have voted by mail too. It's pretty common, just in a pandemic they want to make sure everyone has access.
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