• Re: COViD-19 days . . .

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:37:00
    I'm not sure that's an absolute - evidence is coming out that the US downplayed their response to the virus despite internal warnings for some time before taking it seriously. If we received warnings and raised alarms internally and then responded poorly to them, WHO isn't to blame.

    I am not certain that we did react as poorly as we are being led to
    believe, especially when compared to most other countries.

    For example:

    https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/

    "Sweden has a relatively high case fatality rate: as of April 8, 7.68% of the Swedes who have tested positive for COVID-19 have died of the virus. Neighboring countries, like Norway and Denmark, have case fatality rates of 1.46% and 3.85% respectively. (The U.S. case fatality rate is 3.21%.) While Sweden's elevated case fatality rate could be a result of its low testing
    rates compared to its neighbors, experts say Sweden's laissez-faire approach could also be to blame. "

    Not knocking Sweden but rather sharing this because it makes an interesting point regarding case fatality rates. A lot of folks in the US often point
    to these three countries as places who do a better job than us when it
    comes to healthcare. I think it is very interesting to see where we
    compare with them... worse than Norway but better than the other two.

    Our per-capita infection rate is not as high as several other modern
    countries, either.


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Dumas Walker on Saturday, April 18, 2020 11:49:37
    Re: Re: COViD-19 days . . .
    By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Apr 18 2020 10:37 am

    I am not certain that we did react as poorly as we are being led to
    believe, especially when compared to most other countries.

    For example:

    https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/

    If you want to compare to a country that is sucking hard, point at Spain.

    The government allowe and _sponsored_ nationwide feminist protests while the virus was known to be in the country and not isolated, which resulted in many portestors getting infected. Including most of the politicians that organized the event. They ordered containement messures few days after, when the government had already had their protests and voters happy.

    The government socialized protection equipment the rude way. They walked into many warehouses that stored facial screens and masks and took them away even when the owners had stated they were willing to distribute them at low prices. Obviously everybody who had factories producing these thing have closed them, because they are not willing to manufacture them just to have them stolen.

    The government also stole masks and other protection equipment that employers had stocked to distribute among their employees. Many of these firms now have no means to protect their workers since they have been taken away from them.

    The government nationalized working labs after purchasing counter-feit tests from a foreigner agency. The government is activelly withholding the working tests because they don't want possitive tests to appear in the statistics. Meanwhile, exposed professionals (such as doctors) often remain untested and have to manufacture their own protection.

    Certain provinces have a mortality rate of about 75% for patients that are connected to a ventilator.

    They announced some stimulus plans for firms that are suffering loses because of the virus and the self-employed. To this day my finantial team does not know how you are supposed to access those plans.

    Most of this is insider information. The government is announcing publicly that everybody is getting tested and that there are mass campaigns of distribution for protection equipment. They are claiming that in international forums and such. But it is simply not true.

    Spaniards are always boasting their welfare system is among the best of the world and often critizise the US. Draw your own conclussions.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Saturday, April 18, 2020 19:05:00
    The government nationalized working labs after purchasing counter-feit tests fr
    m a foreigner agency. The government is activelly withholding the working tests

    I saw a report about this on a news program out of India (and another from Australia). The "foreigner agency" was from China, right?

    Most of this is insider information. The government is announcing publicly that
    everybody is getting tested and that there are mass campaigns of distribution f
    r protection equipment. They are claiming that in international forums and such
    But it is simply not true.

    Spaniards are always boasting their welfare system is among the best of the wor
    d and often critizise the US. Draw your own conclussions.

    Sorry to hear that things are going so badly over there. It almost sounds
    like your government is wanting to hide things like the Chinese Communist
    Party wants to hide them. :(


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sunday, April 19, 2020 07:45:58
    Re: Re: COViD-19 days . . .
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sat Apr 18 2020 07:05 pm

    Sorry to hear that things are going so badly over there. It almost sounds like your government is wanting to hide things like the Chinese Communist Party wants to hide them. :(


    Pretty much.

    It is getting ugly really fast. The virus is going to be the least of my concerns.

    My mother has told me that the Twitter hashtag #SanchezVeteYa (S nchez, quit Now, in reference to the Spanish Prime Minister) had 500k followers and was just censored. She even sent me an image. She told me it was removed while she was online.

    This country is turning into a Banana Republic faster than you can spell Stalin.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Dumas Walker on Monday, April 20, 2020 14:53:53
    Re: Re: COViD-19 days . . .
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sat Apr 18 2020 07:05 pm

    I saw a report about this on a news program out of India (and another from Australia). The "foreigner agency" was from China, right?

    Yes, I think it is called Bioeasy.

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  • From Arelor@VERT to Dumas Walker on Thursday, April 23, 2020 13:05:42
    Re: Re: COViD-19 days . . .
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sat Apr 18 2020 07:05 pm


    I saw a report about this on a news program out of India (and another from Australia). The "foreigner agency" was from China, right?


    I have heard rumors that it was actually a corruption case.

    The government hired a small Spanish agency with an annual billing of about 2 million euro to purchase about 20 million euros worth of tests. Call me paranoid but I find that a bit fishy.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Friday, April 24, 2020 21:05:00
    The government hired a small Spanish agency with an annual billing of about 2 >million euro to purchase about 20 million euros worth of tests. Call me >paranoid but I find that a bit fishy.

    Something does not seem to add up but, with the government, it often does
    not. :(


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  • From IRONMAN@VERT/BADUSERS to DUMAS WALKER on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 01:01:00
    Not sure either..

    On 4/18/2020 10:37 AM, DUMAS WALKER wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN:

    I'm not sure that's an absolute - evidence is coming out that the US downplayed their response to the virus despite internal warnings for some
    time before taking it seriously. If we received warnings and raised alarms
    internally and then responded poorly to them, WHO isn't to blame.

    I am not certain that we did react as poorly as we are being led to
    believe, especially when compared to most other countries.

    For example:

    https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/

    "Sweden has a relatively high case fatality rate: as of April 8, 7.68% of the
    Swedes who have tested positive for COVID-19 have died of the virus. Neighboring countries, like Norway and Denmark, have case fatality rates of 1.46% and 3.85% respectively. (The U.S. case fatality rate is 3.21%.) While Sweden's elevated case fatality rate could be a result of its low testing rates compared to its neighbors, experts say Sweden's laissez-faire approach could also be to blame. "

    Not knocking Sweden but rather sharing this because it makes an interesting point regarding case fatality rates. A lot of folks in the US often point to these three countries as places who do a better job than us when it
    comes to healthcare. I think it is very interesting to see where we
    compare with them... worse than Norway but better than the other two.

    Our per-capita infection rate is not as high as several other modern countries, either.


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