• Federal Government

    From Jazzy J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Dr. What on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 19:25:16
    Re: Re: Obstruction
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Jan 26 2020 12:25:00

    pardon me for interjecting. Throwing my two cents in.

    I'm a veteran, re-enlisted once, should've stayed in for life.

    Voted Republican in every national level race since 1986, until 2016

    Trump uses the language of junior-high students.
    Pres. Trump has succeeded through alienation of our global allies, to cause serious riffs in our global commitments to peace.

    The Democrats in the House embarass themselves. President Trump is deserving of a lot more than two articles. Additionally, the people of the US, like numbers. We don't like the calculus behind those numbers, but we like numbers. They would have done better to be specific and list 30+ articles than just 2.

    The Senate is turning a blind eye to all of this and is letting aliances, some of which existed prior to WWII, be stressed or destroyed.

    We, the people of the US, have lost the ability to listen to one another and debate their opinions. The political situation is an echo of us. Don't believe me? Just post an opposing opinion on social media and sit back.

    We have become more polorized than at anytime in my 51+ years of life.

    The change has got to start with us. And I don't want to hold hands with any of you. I just want to state my piece and not get my head chopped off.

    This country was founded on compromise to the center. There is no more compromise. It's all one way or the other.

    Shame on us all.

    Jazzy J

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jazzy J on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 22:07:54
    Re: Federal Government
    By: Jazzy J to Dr. What on Tue Feb 04 2020 07:25 pm


    The change has got to start with us. And I don't want to hold hands with an of you. I just want to state my piece and not get my head chopped off.

    This country was founded on compromise to the center. There is no more compromise. It's all one way or the other.

    Shame on us all.

    how dare you complain about a president that has turned this country around for the better. president trump has done things that many presidents have turned a blind eye to. i'm dont have enough time in the day to list his accomplishments.


    you have no idea about what this country was founded on, fool.
    we do NOT have a democracy.

    you probably joined the military because you werent good for anything else.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Jazzy J on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 23:42:29
    Re: Federal Government
    By: Jazzy J to Dr. What on Tue Feb 04 2020 07:25 pm

    pardon me for interjecting. Throwing my two cents in.

    I'm a veteran, re-enlisted once, should've stayed in for life.

    Voted Republican in every national level race since 1986, until 2016

    Trump uses the language of junior-high students.
    Pres. Trump has succeeded through alienation of our global allies, to cause serious riffs in our global commitments to peace.

    ? Really how so? Trump has been tough on China's unfair trade practices causing them to sign a better fair trade deal, Same with Mexico.
    and he's forced other countries to pony up their share to NATO.
    why should America be the world's police force?
    Why should America Pay other countries bills?
    OK Trump is causing a riff in the world and making these bastard coutries pay their share and make fair trade that's a good thing.

    The Democrats in the House embarass themselves. President Trump is deserving of a lot more than two articles. Additionally, the people of the US, like numbers. We don't like the calculus behind those numbers, but we like numbers. They would have done better to be specific and list 30+ articles than just 2.

    ??? they really don't even have one true article of impeachment, all they're trying to do is give Trump a black eye (politically speaking) and interfere in his re-election bid, fortunatly it's hurting them not Trump.
    Trump has done nothing even close to being worthy of impeachment.
    Schiff is one of the dumbest clucks in congress.
    I will laugh my ass off if he and Pelosi lose their next election.


    This country was founded on compromise to the center. There is no more compromise. It's all one way or the other.

    this is true there are very few that are middle of the road democrates or republicans these days.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Jazzy J on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 18:20:00
    Jazzy J wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Trump uses the language of junior-high students.

    He's fighting the Left-wing media who will not report truthfully. If that way works (and it seems to), then that's the way he should do it.

    Pres. Trump has succeeded through alienation of our global allies, to cause serious riffs in our global commitments to peace.

    Which allies are you talking about? I haven't seen any series rifts.

    Are you talking about the countries who leeched off of us for protection for years and didn't pay us what they said that they would? Those aren't "allies".
    Those are moochers.

    The Democrats in the House embarass themselves. President Trump is deserving of a lot more than two articles.

    Ahhh... Now I see. I hear that the zoo needs more RINOs.

    We have become more polorized than at anytime in my 51+ years of life.

    And you should thank the Left (the Dems, the Media, etc.) for that. Everything that they do is to isolate us into groups based on our religion, race, sexuality, etc. and then tell us how the other groups are hurting us.

    The change has got to start with us. And I don't want to hold hands
    with any of you. I just want to state my piece and not get my head
    chopped off.

    This country was founded on compromise to the center. There is no more compromise. It's all one way or the other.

    You can't compromise with people who refuse to compromise. The majority has compromised far too long. That's how we got an education system that indoctrinates - not educates. That's how we got a Media that no longer reports the news - they report the Left-wing Narrative. That's how California went from most prosperous state to a s#!t hole (literally).

    The time for compromise with the Left is over.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JAZZY J on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 16:52:00
    We have become more polorized than at anytime in my 51+ years of life.

    If you really think about it, I think you will realize that this
    polorization started before Trump took office. I can remember mentioning
    it to someone before I even knew Trump was going to run for nomination.
    Being called deplorables did not help, either. I was not a Trump supporter when that was said, but I certainly was not voting for her after things she said. Hillary is basically a female version of Trump when it comes to the things she will say... maybe slightly more diplomatic, but Trump is not
    someone to be compared to and feel like that is any real compliment.

    Trump is the President, so I will support him when it comes to anything
    being said against him which is simply outrageous. What you have said does
    not fall into that category. Thank you for sharing, and thank you also for your service.


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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Dr. What on Thursday, February 06, 2020 12:06:00
    Dr. What wrote to Jazzy J <=-

    Jazzy J wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Trump uses the language of junior-high students.

    He's fighting the Left-wing media who will not report truthfully. If
    that way works (and it seems to), then that's the way he should do it.

    Pres. Trump has succeeded through alienation of our global allies, to cause serious riffs in our global commitments to peace.

    Which allies are you talking about? I haven't seen any series rifts.

    Are you talking about the countries who leeched off of us for
    protection for years and didn't pay us what they said that they would? Those aren't "allies".
    Those are moochers.

    The Democrats in the House embarass themselves. President Trump is deserving of a lot more than two articles.

    Ahhh... Now I see. I hear that the zoo needs more RINOs.

    We have become more polorized than at anytime in my 51+ years of life.

    And you should thank the Left (the Dems, the Media, etc.) for that. Everything that they do is to isolate us into groups based on our religion, race, sexuality, etc. and then tell us how the other groups
    are hurting us.

    The change has got to start with us. And I don't want to hold hands
    with any of you. I just want to state my piece and not get my head
    chopped off.

    This country was founded on compromise to the center. There is no more compromise. It's all one way or the other.

    You can't compromise with people who refuse to compromise. The
    majority has compromised far too long. That's how we got an education system that indoctrinates - not educates. That's how we got a Media
    that no longer reports the news - they report the Left-wing Narrative. That's how California went from most prosperous state to a s#!t hole (literally).

    The time for compromise with the Left is over.


    BRAVO!!!


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Thursday, February 06, 2020 18:37:00
    Trump uses the language of junior-high students.

    He's fighting the Left-wing media who will not report truthfully. If that way >works (and it seems to), then that's the way he should do it.

    Most of the "journalists" that are on the 24hr news channels sure act like
    they don't have better than a Jr High education.

    And you should thank the Left (the Dems, the Media, etc.) for that. Everything
    that they do is to isolate us into groups based on our religion, race, >sexuality, etc. and then tell us how the other groups are hurting us.

    Only if you are in one of their favored groups. Being a straight white
    male, I am apparently in the deplorable group that is doing all of the harm
    to the others but never being harmed by anyone else.


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  • From Arelor@VERT to Dr. What on Friday, February 07, 2020 06:29:07
    Re: Re: Federal Government
    By: Dr. What to Jazzy J on Wed Feb 05 2020 06:20 pm

    We have become more polorized than at anytime in my 51+ years of life.

    And you should thank the Left (the Dems, the Media, etc.) for that. Everything that they do is to isolate us into groups based on our religion, race, sexuality, etc. and then tell us how the other groups are hurting us.


    Non american here, so I have no horse in the race.

    From the point of view of an outsider, I have to agree with the above. Some political groups have been abusing Identitary Politics to their advantage. They have indirectly divided the population into groups and told the most vulnerable ones that the problems are all the fault of another group.

    That strategy is good for winning two or three elections, but at some point it has to burst. You cannot base your politics in blaming one of the biggest demographic group which also happens to be a big engine for the economy.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Dumas Walker on Friday, February 07, 2020 15:24:45
    Re: Federal Government
    By: Dumas Walker to JAZZY J on Wed Feb 05 2020 04:52 pm

    If you really think about it, I think you will realize that this polorization started before Trump took office. I can remember mentioning
    it to someone before I even knew Trump was going to run for nomination.

    The country has always been at odds with one another. It just wasn't talked about. Everyone believed prejucice and bigotry was gone. What really did it for me was building a much needed a Wall. The Black lives matter movement and not standing during our national anthem. Letting terrorists in to our country is another problem. The USA does not have an open inventation for other countries to just waltz right in. White Lives matter. And you WILL respect our FLAG!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Friday, February 07, 2020 18:33:00
    That strategy is good for winning two or three elections, but at some point it >as to burst. You cannot base your politics in blaming one of the biggest demogr
    phic group which also happens to be a big engine for the economy.

    You also cannot act too surprised when your pot-stirring politics causes violence to break out. Yet they do. :(


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Friday, February 07, 2020 21:32:55
    Re: Re: Federal Government
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Fri Feb 07 2020 06:29 am

    From the point of view of an outsider, I have to agree with the above. Some political groups have been abusing Identitary Politics to their advantage. T have indirectly divided the population into groups and told the most vulnera ones that the problems are all the fault of another group.

    That strategy is good for winning two or three elections, but at some point has to burst. You cannot base your politics in blaming one of the biggest demographic group which also happens to be a big engine for the economy.


    the way it bursts is the other side takes control for a little while. then the cycle begins again.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Saturday, February 08, 2020 10:38:00
    Re: Re: Federal Government
    By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Feb 07 2020 09:32 pm

    Re: Re: Federal Government
    By: Arelor to Dr. What on Fri Feb 07 2020 06:29 am

    From the point of view of an outsider, I have to agree with the above. So political groups have been abusing Identitary Politics to their advantage have indirectly divided the population into groups and told the most vuln ones that the problems are all the fault of another group.

    That strategy is good for winning two or three elections, but at some poi has to burst. You cannot base your politics in blaming one of the biggest demographic group which also happens to be a big engine for the economy.


    the way it bursts is the other side takes control for a little while. then cycle begins again.


    Seems pretty bleak for any possible moderate to enter the ring and have a chance
    any more winning, let alone get past the primaries.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Saturday, February 08, 2020 15:33:04
    Re: Re: Federal Government
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Feb 08 2020 10:38 am

    Seems pretty bleak for any possible moderate to enter the ring and have a chance
    any more winning, let alone get past the primaries.


    people dont want moderates. they want one extreme or the other.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sunday, February 09, 2020 09:58:00
    Seems pretty bleak for any possible moderate to enter the ring and have a chanc
    any more winning, let alone get past the primaries.

    Not just moderates. I do not really like their political ideas, but Yang
    and Gabbard seem to be honest individuals. So they, too, have no chance.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 18:12:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-

    Not just moderates. I do not really like their political ideas, but
    Yang and Gabbard seem to be honest individuals. So they, too, have no chance.

    Yang and Gabbard are "moderates" in that they are less forceful in their narrative. But when you listen to what they want, it's still Socialism - which has failed every time it's been tried.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 16:48:00
    Not just moderates. I do not really like their political ideas, but Yang and Gabbard seem to be honest individuals. So they, too, have no chance.

    Yang and Gabbard are "moderates" in that they are less forceful in their >narrative. But when you listen to what they want, it's still Socialism - which
    has failed every time it's been tried.

    Those would be the political ideas I do not like. :)


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:23:49
    Re: Re: Federal Government
    By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 11 2020 06:12 pm

    Yang and Gabbard are "moderates" in that they are less forceful in their narrative. But when you listen to what they want, it's still Socialism - which has failed every time it's been tried.

    Seems to be working out OK in the nordic countries.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to Dumas Walker on Friday, February 14, 2020 17:02:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Those would be the political ideas I do not like. :)

    Most people are against the idea of "The gov't will take (by force) the fruits of your labor so that they can be given to others (who won't work - and, of course, the people in the gov't need to take 'their' cut of those fruits)."

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/TWODUDES to DaiTengu on Friday, February 14, 2020 17:08:00
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Seems to be working out OK in the nordic countries.

    Anyone who tells you that is either a moron or is lying. The scandanavian countries are not, nor have they ever been, socialist.

    What some of them have is a big welfare state supported by a CAPITALISTIC economy.

    Denmark is often used as the example. They have a 50+% income tax rate. That's for the middle class, not the "rich".
    On top of that, they have a 25% VAT (i.e. sales tax).

    So, ya, they have a great "medicare for all" plan - that everyone, even the poor, pays for - through the nose.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Saturday, February 15, 2020 09:22:00
    Yang and Gabbard are "moderates" in that they are less forceful in their >DW> narrative. But when you listen to what they want, it's still Socialism - >DW> which has failed every time it's been tried.

    Seems to be working out OK in the nordic countries.

    They are not socialist economies. You might actually offend one if you call them that (unless they like the idea of being one someday). They are all free market economies that subsidize their welfare states with high taxes. They
    all rank in the Top 30 for "market freedom," ahead of even Japan.

    None of them (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland) have minimum wage laws, and Sweden even has school choice (something the same US folks which point to
    them as socialist countries frown on). At least, this was all true as of
    2018.

    The US politicians pointed to as "socialists" are advocating more
    government involvement, and less free-market policies, than the Nordic countries have. If you want to cite true examples of socialism, you need to
    be looking more towards such thriving economies as Cuba and Venezuela,
    which used to have a lot more government involvement in free enterprise (at least until one of them pretty much colapsed).


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Saturday, February 15, 2020 09:36:00
    Those would be the political ideas I do not like. :)

    Most people are against the idea of "The gov't will take (by force) the fruits >of your labor so that they can be given to others (who won't work - and, of >course, the people in the gov't need to take 'their' cut of those fruits)."

    No doubt. That eventually does not work because you wind up with not
    enough people with fruits left to pay for the ones which don't. The only
    way that "works" is if you do it like the USSR, China, and others did it...
    by killing off large groups of citizens so that you don't have to pay for
    them any more. That really didn't work too well either, though, because
    Stalin often killed off those that were the most productive.


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