Is that the video about how Hitler is bad but Stalin is just misunderstood >DW>
IMHO, the only difference betwee Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were their
political beliefs. They were all totalitarian, genocidal monsters.

Prager U is a conservative 'university', so I'm certain they had their head on straight about Stalin.

No doubt, I meant the video where they point out that others say "Hitler is bad, but (fill in blank with a communist dictator) was just misunderstood."
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It frustrates me to see that people are blind to Stalin and Mao's horrific crimes and then point out "THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!" to anyone who marks Stalin or Mao as the monsters they were. If that's not real communism, I don't even want to know what is - especially since I hate how my party has been hijacked by some of them for god knows what reason.

Yeah, I like to challenge them to point out what is real communism. They usually land on "but we could do it the right way." Yeah, just from
listening to some of their rethoric over the recent past years, I do not
think they could. Individuals rights are less than those of the collective
in communism, so it is impossible to have without conflict as those rights
are taken away.

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Re: Re: Really?
By: Dumas Walker to NODOKA HANAMURA on Sat Oct 05 2019 07:42 pm

Yeah, I like to challenge them to point out what is real communism. They usually land on "but we could do it the right way." Yeah, just from listening to some of their rethoric over the recent past years, I do not think they could. Individuals rights are less than those of the collective in communism, so it is impossible to have without conflict as those rights are taken away.

A completely classless, collective system would be bery hard to create ona
huge scale. People are different. All people would have to be brought in und er one culture they all work for and buy into the same ideas. People who
have genetic dispositions to stand out or be active or less active will have
to most likely be plucked from the gene pool. I still find it hard that a person who spends extra time in a university to become a surgeon or physicist would relate on the same level and accept the same treatment as a common laborer with minimal education. Could the drive for the "common good"
overcome such a difference? You'll still have variety of work, from agricultural, blue collar industrial, white collar professional, and a technical class that services them all. How do you blur that line in a classless system?

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Re: Re: Really?
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 06 2019 11:16 am

A completely classless, collective system would be bery hard to create ona huge scale. People are different. All people would have to be brought in und er one culture they all work for and buy into the same ideas. People who
have genetic dispositions to stand out or be active or less active will have to most likely be plucked from the gene pool. I still find it hard that a person who spends extra time in a university to become a surgeon or physicist would relate on the same level and accept the same treatment as a common laborer with minimal education. Could the drive for the "common good"
overcome such a difference? You'll still have variety of work, from agricultural, blue collar industrial, white collar professional, and a technical class that services them all. How do you blur that line in a classless system?

You don't have to go that far.

If I work at a factory as an Engineer and I am the only person who nows how to program some nummeric control device, then I am more powerful than the guy who is moving boxes around, because the guy who moves the boxes around is expendable, but if you need to reprogram the machine you will have to convince me to do it. Or take the extra effort to learn yourself.

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Re: Re: Really?
By: Dumas Walker to NODOKA HANAMURA on Sat Oct 05 2019 19:42:00

Yeah, I like to challenge them to point out what is real communism. They usually land on "but we could do it the right way." Yeah, just from listening to some of their rethoric over the recent past years, I do not think they could. Individuals rights are less than those of the collective in communism, so it is impossible to have without conflict as those rights are taken away.

The ONLY way I could see it happeneing and having ANY chance of working would be if the group was raised from children in that type of political environment so that they have never experienced any other way.

I know on a SMALL scale it tends to work in commune communities. But seems to go WAY wrong when tried to apply to larger groups.

I also have a problem when people tend to lump Communism and Socialism together like they are the same thing. Communism is a political entity, whereas Socialism is an ECONOMIC ideal. Don;'t forget that you Democratic Solcilism as well just like many of the European countries and even Canada operate under.


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Re: Re: Really?
By: Lupine Furmen to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 06 2019 09:23 am

The ONLY way I could see it happeneing and having ANY chance of working would be if the group was raised from children in that type of political environment so that they have never experienced any other way.

Have you watched Enemy at the Gates? It is just a film, but it illustrates a meaningful point. Love partners are a resource, so if you want real egalitarian distribution of resources, you either enforce egalitarian distribution of love partners (which gets ugly really fast) or you no longer have an egalitarian society, and people gets back to fighting over scarce resources. Just like in the film... "Yeah, we are super soviet socialists, but you are taking my girl away so now I have to hate you.

Besides, a lot of things interest a very small number of people and would never get done if they couldn't buy help. No matter how selfless you are, if you don't see the utility of building a wiki about alien conspiracies you are not going to help set it up with resources unless they force you or they buy you.

I also have a problem when people tend to lump Communism and Socialism together like they are the same thing. Communism is a political entity, whereas Socialism is an ECONOMIC ideal. Don;'t forget that you Democratic Solcilism as well just like many of the European countries and even Canada operate under.

A lot of the people who lumps communism and socialism together are the communists themselves, actually. They insist that democratic socialist parties are betrayers and the communist parties are the only real socialist parties.

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Re: Re: Really?
By: Arelor to Lupine Furmen on Sun Oct 06 2019 11:43:57

A lot of the people who lumps communism and socialism together are the communists themselves, actually. They insist that democratic socialist parties are betrayers and the communist parties are the only real socialist parties.

I actually hear it coming from the Right Wing more than any other group.

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