[bad, that these cities were riddled with human feces. I honestly did
It's a real and horrible Problem, started with san fran and now it's
needles. Our Politians suck.
At least you guys don't live in New York where everthing is free!
Nightfox wrote to DaiTengu <=-
Even if I made a lot more money than I do, a 70% tax rate would hurt pretty bad. I'd think such a high tax rate would act as a de-motivator preventing some people from moving up and doing things they'd otherwise
do if taxes weren't so high at high incomes.
I've sometimes thought that a flat tax would be the most fair thing.
Just tax everyone the same percentage, and not so high that it takes
most of peoples' money. With a flat tax, the government would still
get more money from people who are paid more.
MRO wrote to Plt <=-
there's no such thing as free. it has to come from someplace.
that's why you cant tax the rich 70%. they will just renounce citizenship and go to a better country.
MRO wrote to Plt <=-
there's no such thing as free. it has to come from someplace.
When you're working for $7 an hour, you're basically working for free.
that's why you cant tax the rich 70%. they will just renounce citizenship and go to a better country.
I wouldn't miss them, but yes, 70% is ridiculous.
And for God's sakes, we need anti bullshit laws for the way employers treat employees. At least for the employees that actually work when they are on the job. Some employees spend half the day chit chatting.
When you're working for $7 an hour, you're basically working for free.
that pay rate is for kids. no adult should be making that.
if someone is an adult and making that much they made some fucked up decisions in life.
chatting about something. The manager had a bit of a temper sometimes, and when he heard them chatting, he went in and sort of yelled/ranted at them for a minute to quit chatting so much and focus on the work, and then came back in and continued nicely with me helping with what we were working on. It seemed like a sort of Jeckyll & Hyde moment..
When you're working for $7 an hour, you're basically working for
free.
that pay rate is for kids. no adult should be making that.
if someone is an adult and making that much they made some fucked up
decisions in life.
Or you were raised dirt poor, in a dirt poor neighborhood, with no possibility of going to college because you couldn't afford it. You had to start working as early as possible just to help your family make ends meet.
Now you're 35, working 2 minimum wage jobs with 2 kids because you had to take what you could to make ends meet. You don't have time to go find another job, or take night classes (nor could you afford them), or do any other skill-building thing.
You'd be surprised at how many people are stuck in that situation. Decisions don't enter into it. Lack of opportunity does.
chatting about something. The manager had a bit of a temper
sometimes, and when he heard them chatting, he went in and sort of
yelled/ranted at them for a minute to quit chatting so much and focus
on the work, and then came back in and continued nicely with me
helping with what we were working on. It seemed like a sort of Jeckyll
& Hyde moment..
not really, he accomplished what he wanted.
MRO wrote to Chai <=-
that pay rate is for kids. no adult should be making that.
if someone is an adult and making that much they made some fucked up decisions in life.
you would certainly miss them because everything would tank.
Nightfox wrote to Chai <=-
At one of my old jobs, we had some interesting conversations, but I
tried to focus on my work rather than chatting excessively. But there were a couple of them that could chit-chat for a while. It was a
fairly small start-up, and there were maybe 5 employees. There was one day when I was in the manager's office helping him with something, and
the 2 other employees were chatting about something. The manager had a bit of a temper sometimes, and when he heard them chatting, he went in
and sort of yelled/ranted at them for a minute to quit chatting so much and focus on the work, and then came back in and continued nicely with
me helping with what we were working on. It seemed like a sort of
Jeckyll & Hyde moment..
You'd be surprised at how many people are stuck in that situation.
Decisions don't enter into it. Lack of opportunity does.
I'm sure that's true for some people, but is a college education always necessary for a good-paying job? I've heard of people who don't have college degrees who are doing well. There are some jobs and companies where someone could work there way up, and if they know a lot about a part of the job or a process that a company uses to do something, perhaps they could become a manager etc..
I think about everyone has the occasional conversation at work. My experience dealt with extremes. Some of those situations involved me helping out different apartments with unpaid overtime, while witnessing them having 30 minute conversations. Being a salaried employee only making $11 an hour, it sucked.
In order to do what I'm doing today, I had to get lucky. Had I not met and "networked" with certain people 10-15 years ago, I have no idea where I'd be at today. I was absolutely rubbish at working manual labor jobs.
Anyway, I've rambled enough. What I'm trying to say is that we need to level the playing field. I want the inner-city kid that's stuck going to the lowest-rated school in the district to be able to go to college and get a degree that will allow them to work a job where they don't have to decide between eating for a week and paying their heat/light bill.
chatting about something. The manager had a bit of a temper
sometimes, and when he heard them chatting, he went in and sort of
yelled/ranted at them for a minute to quit chatting so much and focus
on the work, and then came back in and continued nicely with me
helping with what we were working on. It seemed like a sort of Jeckyll
& Hyde moment..
not really, he accomplished what he wanted.
How do you know when you weren't there?
Or if you choose to leave a company. No disciplinary actions. Professional employee. 11 years tenure with the company. I was told that anyone that leaves a company electively, that there must be something wrong with the employee, and that I would have to start over.
At any rate, I went to
college instead. Graduated with honors at the associate level, and was accepted to a major university. Then I got sick, and well. Here I am. Trump talks about people on disability as freeloaders. I can assure you, I am not a freeloader.
them having 30 minute conversations. Being a salaried employee only making $11 an hour, it sucked.
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Jan 14 2019 03:05 pm
them having 30 minute conversations. Being a salaried employee only making $11 an hour, it sucked.
what company does salary at 11/hr
thats's a little under 23k a year.
what company does salary at 11/hr
thats's a little under 23k a year.
The minimum wage in Virginia is around $7.25 per hour win 2017.
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sun Jan 13 2019 12:34 am
When you're working for $7 an hour, you're basically working for
free.
that pay rate is for kids. no adult should be making that.
if someone is an adult and making that much they made some fucked up decisions in life.
Or you were raised dirt poor, in a dirt poor neighborhood, with no possibility of going to college because you couldn't afford it. You had
to start working as early as possible just to help your family make ends meet.
Now you're 35, working 2 minimum wage jobs with 2 kids because you had
to take what you could to make ends meet. You don't have time to go find another job, or take night classes (nor could you afford them), or do
any other skill-building thing.
You'd be surprised at how many people are stuck in that situation. Decisions don't enter into it. Lack of opportunity does.
I'm sure that's true for some people, but is a college education always necessary for a good-paying job? I've heard of people who don't have college degrees who are doing well. There are some jobs and companies where someone could work there way up, and if they know a lot about a part of the job or a process that a company uses to do something, perhaps they could become a manager etc..
Nightfox
Trump talks about people on disability as freeloaders. I can
assure you, I am not a freeloader.
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Chai to Nightfox on Mon Jan 14 2019 03:05 pm
them having 30 minute conversations. Being a salaried employee only making $11 an hour, it sucked.
what company does salary at 11/hr
thats's a little under 23k a year.
that pay rate is for kids. no adult should be making that.
if someone is an adult and making that much they made some fucked up decisions in life.
Or you were raised dirt poor, in a dirt poor neighborhood, with no possibility of going to college because you couldn't afford it. You had to start working as early as possible just to help your family make ends meet.
Now you're 35, working 2 minimum wage jobs with 2 kids because you had
to take what you could to make ends meet. You don't have time to go find another job, or take night classes (nor could you afford them), or do
any other skill-building thing.
You'd be surprised at how many people are stuck in that situation. Decisions don't enter into it. Lack of opportunity does.
Giving out free stuff could very well could result in higher taxes. Is that really a good thing?
On 07:12 06/01 , MATTHEW MUNSON wrote:
Giving out free stuff could very well could result in higher taxes.
Is that really a good thing?
70,000 more people who voted for my opponent could not give a **** last November.
Re: Re: if you live here in Cagain
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to PLT on Sun Jan 20 2019 04:57 am
Giving out free stuff could very well could result in higher taxes.
Is that really a good thing?
70,000 more people who voted for my opponent could not give a **** last November.
Oh man, you got shellacked. Even worse than 2014. Are you going to try
in 2022, or have you realized that your area isn't going to vote Republican?taken
I'm OK with higher taxes as long as I know my fellow humans are getting
care of. I want everyone to have access to the same medical care I do,have a
roof over their heads in the cold, and don't have to go hungry. I'd bewilling
to pay higher taxes if it meant everyone could get a good education that includes vital critical thinking skills, as I prefer to not be surrouned by idiots.little bit
Maybe 70,000 more people voted for your opponent because they care a
more about other people than those that voted for you.
I am ok with higher taxes if results happened in public education, but California is near the bottom fourth in education even if we spent 20-30k per pupil. If kids are reading and writing despite low social economic status then give the teachers 100k+ a year.
Its inevitable that we will likely end up with single payer, but I am against giving public healthcare to people here illegally because it encourages illegal immigration.
Oh man, you got shellacked. Even worse than 2014. Are you going to try again in 2022, or have you realized that your area isn't going to vote Republican?
I'm OK with higher taxes as long as I know my fellow humans are getting take care of. I want everyone to have access to the same medical care I do, have roof over their heads in the cold, and don't have to go hungry. I'd be willi to pay higher taxes if it meant everyone could get a good education that includes vital critical thinking skills, as I prefer to not be surrouned by idiots.
Maybe 70,000 more people voted for your opponent because they care a little more about other people than those that voted for you.
I am ok with higher taxes if results happened in public education, but California is near the bottom fourth in education even if we spent 20-30k per pupil. If kids are reading and writing despite low social economic status then give the teachers 100k+ a year.
Its inevitable that we will likely end up with single payer, but I am against giving public healthcare to people here illegally because it encourages illegal immigration.
I am likely to try again if I do not get burned out. Problem is I am finding the far left and far right repulsing in different aspects.
The problem with that is it does not work. When you give people something for nothing as it has a value of nothing. This has been demonstrated many times. You cannot grant people prosperity, it has to be earned. The Left does not want people to have a better life they want them to be dependant.
The right can't get out of their own stupidity to do anything right. The Right is to beholding to the investent crowd. Mitt Romney, who the bulk of his income comes from investments paid an effective 12% tax rate. Where a business owner making about $250K paid a rate of near 25%This is a problem, and one Democrats have tried to remedy. Our current President just gave the Romneys of the world even more tax breaks.
If you think the
Democrats are going to make people earning over $10M annually pay 75% your a fool.
They always talk a big game but they are also in the pockets of
big wall street money and they will put in things that allows their benefactors to not pay anywhere near 75%.
Are they going to tax all those
young BLACK athletes making over $10M at 75%? Yeah, that will go over well.
We don't need handouts we need jobs and the government cannot provide them. The other issue is that many in America don't want a job because they have been programmed the expect those handouts.
Example: When Georgia in 2011 (I was living there at the time) passed an ill-advised imigration law that required e-verify, a system that most times is wrong! All the farm workers, legal and illegal left the state. So there was a labor shortage of farm workers. The unemployement rate in Atlanta was 12% and many were losing their unemployment. These were not laid off factory workers waiting for thier jobs back their jobs were gone. Did any of them get on a bus and go to S. Georgia where there was work? No, they just bitched about not getting their unempoyement extended!
As far as taxes are concerned I would rather pay higher State and local taxes and have a lower Federal Tax. Then I know the money is staying where I live and not being used to subsidize failed states like California!
can't doIts inevitable that we will likely end up with single payer, but I am against giving public healthcare to people here illegally because it encourages illegal immigration.
I hear lot of far-right fearmongering about how the illegal immigrants are coming here to live off our tax money and collect benefits, which they
as they don't have a social security number. It likely wouldn't be much different if we moved to single-payer.Its CALIFORNIA they do give benefits when possible to people not here legally.
That would be pretty much illegal in most states. In order to qualilfy for exempt status (Salary, no overtime) you have to be a manager of people or a technical professional paid over $50K annually (varies by state). $23K annually, exempt even for a manager would probably get a company in trouble if an employee decided to sue.
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Clifra to MRO on Thu Jan 17 2019 01:26 pm
That would be pretty much illegal in most states. In order to qualilfy for exempt status (Salary, no overtime) you have to be a manager of people or a technical professional paid over $50K annually (varies by state). $23K annually, exempt even for a manager would probably get a company in trouble if an employee decided to sue.
I've often wondered if salary/exempt status was specifically meant as a way for companies to avoid paying overtime, and I've wondered how compaines can get away with that.
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Clifra to MRO on Thu Jan 17 2019 01:26 pm
That would be pretty much illegal in most states. In order to qualilfy for exempt status (Salary, no overtime) you have to be a manager of people or a technical professional paid over $50K annually (varies by state). $23K annually, exempt even for a manager would probably get a company in trouble if an employee decided to sue.
I've often wondered if salary/exempt status was specifically meant as a way for companies to avoid paying overtime, and I've wondered how compaines can get away with that.
Nightfox
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Clifra to MRO on Thu Jan 17 2019 01:26 pm
That would be pretty much illegal in most states. In order to qualilfy
for exempt status (Salary, no overtime) you have to be a manager of
people or a technical professional paid over $50K annually (varies by state). $23K annually, exempt even for a manager would probably get a company in trouble if an employee decided to sue.
I've often wondered if salary/exempt status was specifically meant as a way companies to avoid paying overtime, and I've wondered how compaines can get away with that.
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Nightfox to Clifra on Wed Jan 30 2019 10:13 am
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Clifra to MRO on Thu Jan 17 2019 01:26 pm
That would be pretty much illegal in most states. In order toqualilfy Cl> for exempt status (Salary, no overtime) you have to be a manager of Cl> people or a technical professional paid over $50K
annually (varies by Cl> state). $23K annually, exempt even for a manager would probably get a Cl> company in trouble if an employee decided to
sue.
I've often wondered if salary/exempt status was specifically meant as a way for companies to avoid paying overtime, and I've wondered how compaines can get away with that.
If the company requires that salaried employees are present for specific hou or track those hours (e.g. on a time card), then they could definitely get i trouble (civilly or criminally, or both, I'm not sure).
digital man
career I have seen people on salary making $35K working 50-60 hour weeks. This is blatently illegal but if no employee sues then they just keep
There are some countries that have free college tuition, and I sometimes go back and forth on whether that would be a good idea or not. It would mean higher taxes, but I also imagine being a student being able to go to college and not having to worry about having college debt in the future.
I've heard this "free college tuition" mentioned a lot as of late. What kind of education will students get for free?? What will the value of degree earned by a school that offers "free tution" verses paid tuition? IWorks well in Denmark, Norway and Finland. They rank slightly better than we do in general education, too.
think this idea of "free tuition" is only going to cause more problems. Who's going to monitor all this? The Government?? Well let's just become a socialist nation why don't we??So "Free college" (We get it, it's not really "free") is the tipping point to "Socialst Nation"? Or is it Universal Healthcare? What if we combined both, then would be a socialist country? What to you is a "socialist nation" ?
I've heard this "free college tuition" mentioned a lot as of late. What kind of education will students get for free?? What will the value of degree earned by a school that offers "free tution" verses paid tuition? I think this idea of "free tuition" is only going to cause more problems. Who's going to monitor all this? The Government?? Well let's just become a socialist nation why don't we??
I've heard this "free college tuition" mentioned a lot as of late. What kind of education will students get for free?? What will the value of degree earned by a school that offers "free tution" verses paid tuition? I think this idea of "free tuition" is only going to cause more problems. Who's going to monitor all this? The Government?? Well let's just become a socialist nation why don't we??
stuck with debt that will take many years to pay off, which will be made even more difficult if they can't find a job right away after graduating. I've heard of more and more people who are choosing not to go to college due to the high costs these days. But in order to have a good workforce for all the jobs needed, we need to have a well educated workforce.
I've heard this "free college tuition" mentioned a lot as of late.
What kind of education will students get for free?? What will the
value of degree earned by a school that offers "free tution" verses
both, then would be a socialist country? What to you is a "socialist
A socialist nation is a nation run by it's government. There's no such thing as "Free". Somebody has to pay. Don't get me wrong. It's ridiculous that a college graduate has to start their working careers 100,000 or more in debt. Something needs to be done. I just don't think "Free" college is the answer. The States need to regulate the price of college. But...if the States can regulate the price of college why not allow them to regulate the price of cars or the price of a cheesebuger? Once we allow the government to interfere with American business we then become a Socialist country. Don't kid yourself..College is a business..BIG Business. ;-)
A socialist nation is a nation run by it's government. There's no such thing as "Free". Somebody has to pay. Don't get me wrong. It's ridiculous that a college graduate has to start their working careers 100,000 or more in debt. Something needs to be done. I just don't think "Free" college is the answer. The States need to regulate the price of college. But...if the States can regulate the price of college why not allow them to regulate the price of cars or the price of a cheesebuger? Once we allow the government to interfere with American business we then become a Socialist country. Don't kid yourself..College is a business..BIG Business. ;-)
anything like price fixing going on, perhaps the government could step in and do something about it. Also, naturally they'll want to make money at it, but that doesn't necessarily make college a bad thing. The staff all
Anytime the government "steps in" we are all in trouble. Look whats going on with our government right now. Build a Wall, Don't build a Wall, Don't call it a wall. Can you imagine trying to tackle college tuition? OMG!!!
I've heard this "free college tuition" mentioned a lot as of late. What kind of education will students get for free?? What will the value of degree earn by a school that offers "free tution" verses paid tuition? I think this idea "free tuition" is only going to cause more problems. Who's going to monitor this? The Government?? Well let's just become a socialist nation why don't w
That's just my opnion..... I could be wrong.
Nothing is totally free though.. By "free tuition", they just mean the stude doesn't have the burden of paying the college fees, and that it's covered by the government. And I'd doubt that their education is any less valuable just because someone else is covering the cost.
Lately I've been hearing that colleges in the US these days have some of the highest costs they've ever had. College students in the US are getting stuck with debt that will take many years to pay off, which will be made even more difficult if they can't find a job right away after graduating. I've heard o more and more people who are choosing not to go to college due to the high costs these days. But in order to have a good workforce for all the jobs needed, we need to have a well educated workforce.
Nightfox
Doesn't the US government regulate the prices of some things to an extent? Regarding cheeseburgers, as in your example, I've heard that government subsidies actually helps keep the price of fast food low in the US (perhaps indirectly):
https://nyti.ms/2UTAMEf
Full URL: https://well.blods.nytimes/com/2016/07/19/how-the-government-supports-your-j -food-habit
I'm not sure why college tuition has been going up so high, but if there's anything like price fixing going on, perhaps the government could step in an do something about it. Also, naturally they'll want to make money at it, but that doesn't necessarily make college a bad thing. The staff all need to get paid and make a living, and I think it's resonable that anyone wanting to ha a career as a collge instructor should make a decent living.
Nightfox
Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Wed Feb 13 2019 09:44 am
Anytime the government "steps in" we are all in trouble. Look whats
going on with our government right now. Build a Wall, Don't build a
Wall, Don't call it a wall. Can you imagine trying to tackle college tuition? OMG!!!
Ehhhh, I don't believe that. It wasn't always that way, and many a great project got completed thanks to the government (Interstate Highway System, N Deal projects, Food Safety, etc.)
The issue is we have let politics get to the point it is today. Partisan in every way. We have a lot of bright people working in various roles in the government. However, those bright people are muffled/ignored due to partisan politics and ideology of those above them.
Rob
very poorly. Public education on this country is a mess. Politics are embedded in public education to the detriment of our children. The Teachers Union only cares about themselves and not your kids. The best school districts in the country are non-union. For profit colleges are some of the
As I said, tuition would not be so high if all this "free money" was not available. Most don't look at the price of tuition unless Mommy and Daddy as footing the whole bill. So there is little market pressure for the Colleges to hold down tuitions.
Well, we all have our opinions.
I believe the education I got from the St. Louis Public Schools was amazing. I had teachers who truely pushed me to do my very best, challenged me and I am a better person today because of all that.
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